NFL suspends Vick w/o pay and...

[CyFair'86]

Today the NFL suspended Michael Vick indefinitely without pay until firther notice. http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5081210.html

Also Nike officially cut ties with Vick today.

http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5082456.html

[SLC93]

Barring a complete & utter transformation while he's out of the game, he's done.

[yankee]

i hope vick likes cold weather and maple syrup...he'll be playing (if at all) in the cfl when he comes back. possibly the afl too.

[jakerz]

i hope vick likes cold weather and maple syrup...he'll be playing (if at all) in the cfl when he comes back. possibly the afl too.

This is a perfect display of hypocritical america at it's best.

[K-Rock]

He would PWN the AFL. I would really like to see that.

[slorch]

This is a perfect display of hypocritical america at it's best.

In what way? Not saying you're wrong, but that's a broad statement that deserves an explanation...

[mad_fan]

In what way? Not saying you're wrong, but that's a broad statement that deserves an explanation...

nm

[t-long20]

i hope vick likes cold weather and maple syrup...he'll be playing (if at all) in the cfl when he comes back. possibly the afl too.

are you serious? jail is not some workout bootcamp the only thing he'll be playing when he comes out of jail is NFL Maddeon 08 cause that'll be the last game he's on

[DrEdward]

This is a perfect display of hypocritical america at it's best.

Nothing hypocritical at all about his post that I can tell. It is simply his predcition that Vick will never play in an NFL game again. Rather, that his only chance may be in the Canadian League. After whatever time Vick gets from the court is served, I would hope that yankeeman has not made an accurate prediction, but I suspect that he has done so.

[mad_fan]

The BAD news is only starting to come...stay tuned...

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I'm glad he received an "Uncertain" or Indefinite Suspension. The only thing I'm worried about is this Judge - giving Vick 3 years in prison - or the State of VA going after Vick. Aside from that, if the Judge give Mike 1 year to 18 months in prison, Mike will be on the NFL field in 2009. He'll be 29 years old and his body will be somewhat healed, from previous NFL punishment. Will he be slower? Probably a tadbit. Remember, this guy has played for nearly 20 years, and he's the fastest QB (and one of the Top 5-10 fastest players in the league), so what will be his drawback(?)... being as slow as Aaron Ross?:rolleyes: He'll be given recreational opportunities and will probably continue working out. (Hell, he'll probably gain 10 to 15 lbs of muscle... which can't hurt.)

Vick won't lose much, but obviously won't gain anything. Lets see how successful Atlanta is, with another QB at the helm. If Joey leads Atlanta to a great season, one can assume Vick was truly holding the team back. Truth be told, I have no idea where Vick ends up.... but he WILL be back in the NFL. It'll be a great day, when he does.

Again, I don't condone what he did... but then again, I don't condone deer-hunting for sport, either. If that were the case, I'd be pulling to see Peyton Manning burn in hell. (That ain't the case.)

[mad_fan]

I'm glad he received an "Uncertain" or Indefinite Suspension. The only thing I'm worried about is this Judge - giving Vick 3 years in prison - or the State of VA going after Vick. Aside from that, if the Judge give Mike 1 year to 18 months in prison, Mike will be on the NFL field in 2009. He'll be 29 years old and his body will be somewhat healed, from previous NFL punishment. Will he be slower? Probably a tadbit. Remember, this guy has played for nearly 20 years, and he's the fastest QB (and one of the Top 5-10 fastest players in the league), so what will be his drawback(?)... being as slow as Aaron Ross?:rolleyes: He'll be given recreational opportunities and will probably continue working out. (Hell, he'll probably gain 10 to 15 lbs of muscle... which can't hurt.)

Vick won't lose much, but obviously won't gain anything. Lets see how successful Atlanta is, with another QB at the helm. If Joey leads Atlanta to a great season, one can assume Vick was truly holding the team back. Truth be told, I have no idea where Vick ends up.... but he WILL be back in the NFL. It'll be a great day, when he does.

Again, I don't condone what he did... but then again, I don't condone deer-hunting for sport, either. If that were the case, I'd be pulling to see Peyton Manning burn in hell. (That ain't the case.)



Again with the legal activities...
You need to step down from your right-wing anti-killing soapbox....
Or is killing human babies okay??? Just because it's LEGAL...
Other than that...I disagree with everything in your post...;)
The judge should scare Vick...there are no Fed guidelines on the conspiracy charge...:eek:
He won't get a middle school football coaching job when it's all said and done...
More BAD news to follow...;)

[Bobcat Booster]

This is a perfect display of hypocritical america at it's best.

Yeah that statement does need some explaination. Of course if Vick wants to play after prison he'll have to go to the CFL or AFL. At least for a little while.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Again with the legal activities...
You need to step down from your right-wing anti-killing soapbox....
Or is killing human babies okay??? Just because it's LEGAL...
Other than that...I disagree with everything in your post...;)
The judge should scare Vick...there are no Fed guidelines on the conspiracy charge...:eek:
He won't get a middle school football coaching job when it's all said and done...
More BAD news to follow...;)

I would ask Vick-haters if they condemn Vick for pit-bull fighting or breaking the law??? (Or both?) The reputation of this judge would scare anyone. That's why I said, I'm worried about the judge, playing God, and sentencing Vick to 3 years (if not more). Outside of Vick getting more than a year or the State going after Vick, I see him back in the League in 2009.

Btw, the landscape of the anti-killing soapbox is founded by Vick-haters. Most of them didn't even know Vick played football, let alone that he even excisted.

[mad_fan]

I would ask Vick-haters if they condemn Vick for pit-bull fighting or breaking the law??? (Or both?) The reputation of this judge would scare anyone. That's why I said, I'm worried about the judge, playing God, and sentencing Vick to 3 years (if not more). Outside of Vick getting more than a year or the State going after Vick, I see him back in the League in 2009.

Btw, the landscape of the anti-killing soapbox is founded by Vick-haters. Most of them didn't even know Vick played football, let alone that he even excisted.

Again...I wasn't a Vick hater...it's a Falcons thing...;)
Now I am a Vick hater...I didn't make me that way...Vick made me that way...
What is it about these guys that makes it so they can't leave their old life behind???
I did it...I assume you did it...
At some point...it HAD to occur to him that if this got out...he'd be screwed...
So my disrespect for the man comes from a multitude of reasons...

[mad_fan]

I would ask Vick-haters if they condemn Vick for pit-bull fighting or breaking the law??? (Or both?) The reputation of this judge would scare anyone. That's why I said, I'm worried about the judge, playing God, and sentencing Vick to 3 years (if not more). Outside of Vick getting more than a year or the State going after Vick, I see him back in the League in 2009.
Btw, the landscape of the anti-killing soapbox is founded by Vick-haters. Most of them didn't even know Vick played football, let alone that he even excisted.

The thing with a story like this is that it won't die...:)
Every week since the story broke...more bad news...
When it couldn't get worse...more bad news...
This will continue for awhile...more bad news...
Stay tuned...for more bad news...;)

[Bobcat81]

After what has happened, and through his own admission of guilt to committing federal crimes, do we really want Vick back in the NFL..or any other professional sport for that matter? These guys are supposed to be figures our children and kids in general look up to and admire.

If he were innocent that would be one thing, but the guy plead guilty so obviously he is. He made the choice.. let him suffer. We can't go on turning a blind eye to criminal behavior just because someone was good enough indulge our appetite for competitive sports. Yeah, he may be a good athlete, but his mind & heart are corrupt on the inside. As far as i'm concerned, there should be no place for him in professional sports again.

[FarmerFootballPlayer]

After what has happened, and through his own admission of guilt to committing federal crimes, do we really want Vick back in the NFL..or any other professional sport for that matter? These guys are supposed to be figures our children and kids in general look up to and admire.

If he were innocent that would be one thing, but the guy plead guilty so obviously he is. He made the choice.. let him suffer. We can't go on turning a blind eye to criminal behavior just because someone was good enough indulge our appetite for competitive sports. Yeah, he may be a good athlete, but his mind & heart are corrupt on the inside. As far as i'm concerned, there should be no place for him in professional sports again.

Agreed.

But I'm sure he'll at least try to come back.

[slorch]

I'm not anti- Vick.

I am glad the NFL is at least attempting to keep the thuggery out of the game, especially after seeing what it has done for the NBA.

[TexasRed6x]

I knew that was coming. He's done for sure.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

After what has happened, and through his own admission of guilt to committing federal crimes, do we really want Vick back in the NFL..or any other professional sport for that matter? These guys are supposed to be figures our children and kids in general look up to and admire.

If he were innocent that would be one thing, but the guy plead guilty so obviously he is. He made the choice.. let him suffer. We can't go on turning a blind eye to criminal behavior just because someone was good enough indulge our appetite for competitive sports. Yeah, he may be a good athlete, but his mind & heart are corrupt on the inside. As far as i'm concerned, there should be no place for him in professional sports again.

First off.. please, EVERYONE stop saying athletes and celebrities are SUPPOSED to be role models. No one ever told me, when I declared for NFL Draft, that I was going to be judged as a role model. I was told conduct yourself under the provisions and guidelines of your contract. (IE... Player Conduct) When you say, "These guys are supposed to be figures our children and kids in general look up to and admire".. that makes it seem as if it is my job to raise your children.

The cop-out of parents and society to try and use "Role Model" as a way of controlling the attitude and off-the-field life of professional athletes, is bs! Simply put, a role model is " a person who serves as a example of a positive behavior". Perhaps, parents should tell their kids to watch them for a perfect example of "positive behavior"... and not the NFL, NBA, MTV, PS2 or Entertainment Tonight.

Can a football player be a role model? Sure, but they shouldn't be held to that standard. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging an athletes on-the-field achievements, but to make his off-the-field life THE point of reference to kids, is wrong.

[cajun]

I'm glad he received an "Uncertain" or Indefinite Suspension. The only thing I'm worried about is this Judge - giving Vick 3 years in prison - or the State of VA going after Vick. Aside from that, if the Judge give Mike 1 year to 18 months in prison, Mike will be on the NFL field in 2009. He'll be 29 years old and his body will be somewhat healed, from previous NFL punishment. Will he be slower? Probably a tadbit. Remember, this guy has played for nearly 20 years, and he's the fastest QB (and one of the Top 5-10 fastest players in the league), so what will be his drawback(?)... being as slow as Aaron Ross?:rolleyes: He'll be given recreational opportunities and will probably continue working out. (Hell, he'll probably gain 10 to 15 lbs of muscle... which can't hurt.)

Vick won't lose much, but obviously won't gain anything. Lets see how successful Atlanta is, with another QB at the helm. If Joey leads Atlanta to a great season, one can assume Vick was truly holding the team back. Truth be told, I have no idea where Vick ends up.... but he WILL be back in the NFL. It'll be a great day, when he does.

Again, I don't condone what he did... but then again, I don't condone deer-hunting for sport, either. If that were the case, I'd be pulling to see Peyton Manning burn in hell. (That ain't the case.)

Great!!...Now Peyton Manning is in the conversation with Thug Vick and his dogfighting...:D

Welcome to America at it's not so finest people...

Unreal!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Great!!...Now Peyton Manning is in the conversation with Thug Vick and his dogfighting...:D

Welcome to America at it's not so finest people...

Unreal!

Does Peyton Manning have the stuffed head of a deer, mounted (as a trophy) on a wall, at his home? YES!!!

In regards to the subject of "killing animals for personal entertainment"..
Legally, is Peyton in his right?? ABSOLUTELY!!!!
Morally, is Peyton a better person than Vick?? NOPE!!!

The difference??? Vick is a perceived "hip-hop-culture" thug... and Peyton Manning is a good ol' boy!!!;)

P.S. No, no... it's all TOO reall!!

[slorch]

Does Peyton Manning have the stuffed head of a deer, mounted (as a trophy) on a wall, at his home? YES!!!

In regards to the subject of "killing animals for personal entertainment"..
Legally, is Peyton in his right?? ABSOLUTELY!!!!
Morally, is Peyton a better person than Vick?? NOPE!!!

The difference??? Vick is a perceived "hip-hop-culture" thug... and Peyton Manning is a good ol' boy!!!;)

P.S. No, no... it's all TOO reall!!

Vick and manning aren't the same, morally. when did Manning lie about shooting the deer? When did manning sell out his owner's reputation by lying to him about his personal activities? get off the morality kick and quit serving up the 2 week old drivel. what Vick did was illegal, and he lied about it to his owner and to us, the fans that pay him.

You know what's even funnier than your little scenario, TGO? The atlanta chapter head of the NAACP saying Vick pleaded guilty to keep from having a long trial. The dude plead guilty because IMO, there's even more he didn't want to become public and have to face up to. If I'm innocent, I'm screaming at the top of my lungs that I am. there's no way I would plead guilty for that reason. For me it isn't a race thing(urban vs. country thing) it's just a case of severe stupidity being compounded by idiotic commentary on the issue.

The initial denial by Vick and the excuses are even more embarassing/ comical than the actual crime, and it was quite heinous. You can say it's like manning all you want, even in your bizarro world, but it's worlds apart. More like countries apart, like the CFL compared to the NFL.

[cajun]

Does Peyton Manning have the stuffed head of a deer, mounted (as a trophy) on a wall, at his home? YES!!!

In regards to the subject of "killing animals for personal entertainment"..
Legally, is Peyton in his right?? ABSOLUTELY!!!!
Morally, is Peyton a better person than Vick?? NOPE!!!

The difference??? Vick is a perceived "hip-hop-culture" thug... and Peyton Manning is a good ol' boy!!!;)

P.S. No, no... it's all TOO reall!!

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060708/060708_manning_hmed_6p.hmedium.jpg=good ol' boys!!!

http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20070717/vick_64751.jpg=dogfighting thug

Get in the real world!!

The Falcons won't miss this thug and neither will America....

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Vick and manning aren't the same, morally. when did Manning lie about shooting the deer? When did manning sell out his owner's reputation by lying to him about his personal activities? get off the morality kick and quit serving up the 2 week old drivel. what Vick did was illegal, and he lied about it to his owner and to us, the fans that pay him.

You know what's even funnier than your little scenario, TGO? The atlanta chapter head of the NAACP saying Vick pleaded guilty to keep from having a long trial. The dude plead guilty because IMO, there's even more he didn't want to become public and have to face up to. If I'm innocent, I'm screaming at the top of my lungs that I am. there's no way I would plead guilty for that reason. For me it isn't a race thing(urban vs. country thing) it's just a case of severe stupidity being compounded by idiotic commentary on the issue.

The initial denial by Vick and the excuses are even more embarassing/ comical than the actual crime, and it was quite heinous. You can say it's like manning all you want, even in your bizarro world, but it's worlds apart. More like countries apart, like the CFL compared to the NFL.

Whoa, now...this isn't 1833, Vick doesn't have an "owner". Also.. I said, "in regards to killing animals for personal entertainment". So, Manning and Vick are the same, in the fact that they both killed animals for personal entertainment.

I've already said Vick committed a crime. Legally, Manning and Vick aren't the same.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060708/060708_manning_hmed_6p.hmedium.jpg=good ol' boys!!!

http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20070717/vick_64751.jpg=dogfighting thug

Get in the real world!!

The Falcons won't miss this thug and neither will America....

Bingo!!!! Vick should've been smarter and known a target was on his back... at birth!!;)

Oh and...
The Falcons WILL miss Vick... http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/peter_king/10/03/mmqb.week4/p1_harrington.jpg

Plus, Middle-America didn't even know Vick excisted, before he shot Lassie... Vick's REAL FANBASE isn't going anywhere!!!;)

[mad_fan]

Whoa, now...this isn't 1833, Vick doesn't have an "owner". Also.. I said, "in regards to killing animals for personal entertainment". So, Manning and Vick are the same, in the fact that they both killed animals for personal entertainment.

I've already said Vick committed a crime. Legally, Manning and Vick aren't the same.

He had an owner...now he has a former owner...he owes $22M...
I wonder if he lost all that...NOT gambling...

[mad_fan]

Vick should've been smarter and known a target was on his back... at birth!!;)

Someone out to get all the blacks in the NFL???:eek:
Or all pro sports???

[slorch]

Whoa, now...this isn't 1833, Vick doesn't have an "owner". Also.. I said, "in regards to killing animals for personal entertainment". So, Manning and Vick are the same, in the fact that they both killed animals for personal entertainment.

I've already said Vick committed a crime. Legally, Manning and Vick aren't the same.

Owner, as in his boss/CEO/ ect.( Mr Blank, the dude that signs his check)

We all have bosses.

Who is perpetuating stereotypes here?

I didn't mean anything like what you said. I'm sorry if you could infer that from my post.

Let's forget about the public lying part. That kills your argument.

[Bobcat81]

First off.. please, EVERYONE stop saying athletes and celebrities are SUPPOSED to be role models. No one ever told me, when I declared for NFL Draft, that I was going to be judged as a role model. I was told conduct yourself under the provisions and guidelines of your contract. (IE... Player Conduct) When you say, "These guys are supposed to be figures our children and kids in general look up to and admire".. that makes it seem as if it is my job to raise your children.

The cop-out of parents and society to try and use "Role Model" as a way of controlling the attitude and off-the-field life of professional athletes, is bs! Simply put, a role model is " a person who serves as a example of a positive behavior". Perhaps, parents should tell their kids to watch them for a perfect example of "positive behavior"... and not the NFL, NBA, MTV, PS2 or Entertainment Tonight.

Can a football player be a role model? Sure, but they shouldn't be held to that standard. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging an athletes on-the-field achievements, but to make his off-the-field life THE point of reference to kids, is wrong.

Whether they like it or not, professionals ARE in the spotlight of our youth, and once you choose to become a "professional" or one of Americas elite, then you should conduct yourself accordingly. If you can't, then you just don't deserve to be there to begin with.

Face it.. kids admire populairty & fame. I'm sure you had a few people in the NFL that you looked up to as a kid. Someone you admired. I sure did. I can't say that the list is as long as it used to be..simply because a lot of the players in the NFL are individualists that only care about themselves and the money they're going to make...not anyone else. Very few display honorable character anymore. Don't make excuses for Vick. He doesn't need any. He wasn't responsible enough to make the transition to fame and handle the responsibility that comes with it. Yes,.there is a moral & ethicalresponsibility there. The way you're speaking, it doesn't seem as though you see it that way.

Had my childhood admiration of Bob Lilly & Allan Page been sustained because they were thugs and always in controversy, then i'd say that kinda lables me as controversial and "thug-like"...wouldn't it? No thanks! I don't think they would want to be thought of or remembered in that way either.

Are you applauding criminal behavior? Don't you think there should be rules and guidlines in place in todays NFL that restrict players from conducting in criminal activity?..or is that acceptable to you? Just because the "times" have changed, doesn't mean modern day professionals should be held to a lesser standard than the ones of old. Not when it comes to morality & ethics.

You don't agree with that?

[mad_fan]

Owner, as in his boss/CEO/ ect.( Mr Blank, the dude that signs his check)

We all have bosses.

Who is perpetuating stereotypes here?

I didn't mean anything like what you said. I'm sorry if you could infer that from my post.

Let's forget about the public lying part. That kills your argument.


This is supposed to be the part where all the crackers run and hide...;)

[ThEgReAtOnE]

He had an owner...now he has a former owner...he owes $22M...
I wonder if he lost all that...NOT gambling...

No... the team he played for was owned... not Vick...

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Owner, as in his boss/CEO/ ect.( Mr Blank, the dude that signs his check)

We all have bosses.

Who is perpetuating stereotypes here?

I didn't mean anything like what you said. I'm sorry if you could infer that from my post.

Let's forget about the public lying part. That kills your argument.

Public lying part?? How many meetings did Vick have with the public??

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Whether they like it or not, professionals ARE in the spotlight of our youth, and once you choose to become a "professional" or one of Americas elite, then you should conduct yourself accordingly. If you can't, then you just don't deserve to be there to begin with.

Face it.. kids admire populairty & fame. I'm sure you had a few people in the NFL that you looked up to as a kid. Someone you admired. I sure did. I can't say that the list is as long as it used to be..simply because a lot of the players in the NFL are individualists that only care about themselves and the money they're going to make...not anyone else. Very few display honorable character anymore. Don't make excuses for Vick. He doesn't need any. He wasn't responsible enough to make the transition to fame and handle the responsibility that comes with it. Yes,.there is a moral & ethicalresponsibility there. The way you're speaking, it doesn't seem as though you see it that way.

Had my childhood admiration of Bob Lilly & Allan Page been sustained because they were thugs and always in controversy, then i'd say that kinda lables me as controversial and "thug-like"...wouldn't it? No thanks! I don't think they would want to be thought of or remembered in that way either.

Are you applauding criminal behavior? Don't you think there should be rules and guidlines in place in todays NFL that restrict players from conducting in criminal activity?..or is that acceptable to you? Just because the "times" have changed, doesn't mean modern day professionals should be held to a lesser standard than the ones of old. Not when it comes to morality & ethics.

You don't agree with that?

Times have changed, with the creation of the internet, evolved attitude of a new generation and a tv camera everywhere you go.

Do you honestly think athletes weren't the same, back in the day... just because you didn't hear about it?? There was no youtube, back then!:D

And... I'm not making excuses for VIck. What he did was wrong. He should be punished for breaking a law. He should not have his CAREER taken from him. He earned that... it was GIVEN to him. Would you take the degree, of an Engineer, from him if he did the same thing Vick did?? Would you say, he couldn't be an engineer, ever again? It's one thing to be fired from your job (ie.. released from Atlanta) and it's another thing to lose your entire career (suspended for life from NFL). And.. fyi, the CFL and AFL isn't a career... hell, most of those guys work as grocery-baggers, in the off-season.

[mad_fan]

No... the team he played for was owned... not Vick...

I'll bet he even had a few in fantasy football...;)

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I'll bet he even had a few in fantasy football...;)

I'm sure there are millions of Fantasy Football team owners...;)

[slorch]

Times have changed, with the creation of the internet, evolved attitude of a new generation and a tv camera everywhere you go.

Do you honestly think athletes weren't the same, back in the day... just because you didn't hear about it?? There was no youtube, back then!:D

And... I'm not making excuses for VIck. What he did was wrong. He should be punished for breaking a law. He should not have his CAREER taken from him. He earned that... it was GIVEN to him. Would you take the degree, of an Engineer, from him if he did the same thing Vick did?? Would you say, he couldn't be an engineer, ever again? It's one thing to be fired from your job (ie.. released from Atlanta) and it's another thing to lose your entire career (suspended for life from NFL). And.. fyi, the CFL and AFL isn't a career... hell, most of those guys work as grocery-baggers, in the off-season.

i agree with you big time on this part. Vick has no moral obligation to be of upstanding character in the eyes of citizens, especially youth, except in so much as the areas of supply and demand. He is a commercial entity, we as fans can choose to buy in, or not. his behavior does impact this area.

I don't mind if my kids want a certain #jersey or admire a player, but they know the guys are human, and fallable. i would hope that they look to me and Momma first. i take that responsibility extremely seriously. If not us as parents, I would hope that our boys look to an uncle, a pastor, a coach even for positive reinforcement of what we teach them. It sure isn't the responsibility of an athlete of actor.

I agree all the way on this one.

[jakerz]

I hope Vick gets a 1 year sentence, stays in shape in prison (lol), and gets back to the NFL. Although I think it will be hard for him to step right back into the QB position. You can't just miss 1-2 years of QB and step right in and be a pro-bowler. That's why I somewhat expect to be signed by another team such as a KR, PR, WR or something similar where he can showcase his play making abilities.

[slorch]

Public lying part?? How many meetings did Vick have with the public??

Ok it wasn't in public persay(sp) but the information was made public that he told Mr Blank that he wasn't involved in the illegal activity that took place on his property.

I can understand the sensitivity about the word "owner," but you know I didn't mean it in that context whatsoever. even Michael Irvin recognized Jerry Jones as his owner and friend in his recent HOF speech.

If I said master i would understand your objection. I'm really dissappointed you went there, because it's a reach.

Saying manning and Vick are the same is irresponsible at least in the public sense. manning has done nothing to hurt the image of his employer, team, or family. Vick has. if lying and illegal activity don't matter to you, and you want to throw in racial red herrings, then this discussion is a moot point.

[slorch]

I hope Vick gets a 1 year sentence, stays in shape in prison (lol), and gets back to the NFL. Although I think it will be hard for him to step right back into the QB position. You can't just miss 1-2 years of QB and step right in and be a pro-bowler. That's why I somewhat expect to be signed by another team such as a KR, PR, WR or something similar where he can showcase his play making abilities.

what happens when he plays in Cleveland?

[cajun]

i agree with you big time on this part. Vick has no moral obligation to be of upstanding character in the eyes of citizens, especially youth, except in so much as the areas of supply and demand. He is a commercial entity, we as fans can choose to buy in, or not. his behavior does impact this area.

I don't mind if my kids want a certain #jersey or admire a player, but they know the guys are human, and fallable. i would hope that they look to me and Momma first. i take that responsibility extremely seriously. If not us as parents, I would hope that our boys look to an uncle, a pastor, a coach even for positive reinforcement of what we teach them. It sure isn't the responsibility of an athlete of actor.

I agree all the way on this one.

I don't agree with any of it to be honest with you...

The problem is with todays society there are no role models in anything anymore much...No one wants to be a role model....Everyone wanna scream "I'm only human"...Fact is...Most people don't have the guts to be role models...

Role models don't have to be perfect..That's not a written law...People are not perfect so why expect perfection in someone you admire or look up to?.

This is a Role Modelless Society...

What makes a role model?...The definition is pretty straight foward in my book....""A person who serves as a example of a positive behavior"...That's all...(lol)

Here we got Thug Vick....You let my boy come in the house with a Thug Vick jersey on..I will show him a role model...Thug Vick is not "A person who serves as a example of a positive behavior".....I don't give a flippy flop if he's a role model, super model, or anything....I know what he is!!...What's so hard to see about it...:D

Sheesh...Excuses, excuses and even more excuses...The bottom line is the man is a thug...The thug got caught now the thug gonna do some time...

Thug Vick doesn't have to be a role model, but that doesn't give him a free ride to be a thug...

End of it really...

[mad_fan]

what happens when he plays in Cleveland?

He makes Brady look that much better...:D

[Bobcat81]

Times have changed, with the creation of the internet, evolved attitude of a new generation and a tv camera everywhere you go.

Do you honestly think athletes weren't the same, back in the day... just because you didn't hear about it?? There was no youtube, back then!:D

And... I'm not making excuses for VIck. What he did was wrong. He should be punished for breaking a law. He should not have his CAREER taken from him. He earned that... it was GIVEN to him. Would you take the degree, of an Engineer, from him if he did the same thing Vick did?? Would you say, he couldn't be an engineer, ever again? It's one thing to be fired from your job (ie.. released from Atlanta) and it's another thing to lose your entire career (suspended for life from NFL). And.. fyi, the CFL and AFL isn't a career... hell, most of those guys work as grocery-baggers, in the off-season.


When the public is the main source of their income, then yes.

Had the engineer puposly engaged in some activity that compromised the safety of the public (i.e. designing production plants so that they blow up because he purposely designed it to, etc.) then i'd say he no longer qualifies to be awarded the right to actively pursue a career in that field. They should be stripped of that privilage. Much the same way a cop should be stripped of his badge if he's convicted of murder or robbery, or the judge his seat for purposely ignoring evidence and wrongfully convicting, ect. ect...

If a terrorist had gone through the riggor of getting his commercial pilots license and was caught trying to mastermind a plot to fly into the Sears Tower, you wouldn't allow him to go back and fly with TWA after he did his stint in prison would you??

Vick is no different. He no longer qualifies to hold that position. He had his chance, and he blew it. Let some other guy more deserving & of better moral quality step up and take his place.

[cajun]

When the public is the main source of their income, then yes.

Had the engineer puposly engaged in some activity that compromised the safety of the public (i.e. designing production plants so that they blow up because he purposely designed it to, etc.) then i'd say he no longer qualifies to be awarded the right to actively pursue a career in that field. They should be stripped of that privilage. Much the same way a cop should be stripped of his badge if he's convicted of murder or robbery, or the judge his seat for purposely ignoring evidence and wrongfully convicting, ect. ect...

If a terrorist had gone through the riggor of getting his commercial pilots license and was caught trying to mastermind a plot to fly into the Sears Tower, you wouldn't allow him to go back and fly with TWA after he did his stint in prison would you??

Vick is no different. He no longer qualifies to hold that position. I had his chance, and he blew it. Let some other guy more deserving & of better moral quality step up and take his place.


Exactly-nicely said...

I just don't get this guy...

Somehow it's not about Vick's crime anymore, but more about race, role models, deer hunting and Peyton Manning....

Same goes for Peyton Manning...If he was found guilty of being a thug involved with dogfighting , he gets treated like a thug....

It's not rocket science...

[slorch]

I don't agree with any of it to be honest with you...

The problem is with todays society there are no role models in anything anymore much...No one wants to be a role model....Everyone wanna scream "I'm only human"...Fact is...Most people don't have the guts to be role models...

Role models don't have to be perfect..That's not a written law...People are not perfect so why expect perfection in someone you admire or look up to?.

This is a Role Modelless Society...

What makes a role model?...The definition is pretty straight foward in my book....""A person who serves as a example of a positive behavior"...That's all...(lol)

Here we got Thug Vick....You let my boy come in the house with a Thug Vick jersey on..I will show him a role model...Thug Vick is not "A person who serves as a example of a positive behavior".....I don't give a flippy flop if he's a role model, super model, or anything....I know what he is!!...What's so hard to see about it...:D

Sheesh...Excuses, excuses and even more excuses...The bottom line is the man is a thug...The thug got caught now the thug gonna do some time...

Thug Vick doesn't have to be a role model, but that doesn't give him a free ride to be a thug...

End of it really...

I strenuously object( demi moore in A Few Good Men) my kids do look at everything I do.
My point was...
my kids do have role models, and they are not on the TV.
I would hope my boys would want to love the Lord, be a great husband, father, and hard/ smart worker before they ever thought about being like Vick, or Manning or even Earl or Staubach when I was a kid.

[slorch]

He makes Brady look that much better...:D

I was talkin 'bout the Dawg Pound:D , but nice point there...

[mad_fan]

I was talkin 'bout the Dawg Pound:D , but nice point there...

Sometimes I 'miss' a point for a reason...to make my point...:D

[slorch]

When the public is the main source of their income, then yes.

Had the engineer puposly engaged in some activity that compromised the safety of the public (i.e. designing production plants so that they blow up because he purposely designed it to, etc.) then i'd say he no longer qualifies to be awarded the right to actively pursue a career in that field. They should be stripped of that privilage. Much the same way a cop should be stripped of his badge if he's convicted of murder or robbery, or the judge his seat for purposely ignoring evidence and wrongfully convicting, ect. ect...

If a terrorist had gone through the riggor of getting his commercial pilots license and was caught trying to mastermind a plot to fly into the Sears Tower, you wouldn't allow him to go back and fly with TWA after he did his stint in prison would you??

Vick is no different. He no longer qualifies to hold that position. I had his chance, and he blew it. Let some other guy more deserving & of better moral quality step up and take his place.

I have issues with measuring someone's business contributions by their supposed "morality." Unless I am the only one that works with fornicators, liars, cheats, adulterors, and such. Am I?

I feel he broke a bond with his boss with Falcons by lying to him and putting him in a bad spot. If the dude was out of jail, and simply banged someone else's wife, he'd be playing on opening weekend(pun intended) Would he be more moral than breaking a law about dogs when he helped destroy someone's marriage?

Y'all give these guys way too much credit. I'd be ashamed if my kids looked to an athlete for how to live their life. Athletes are just another employee at a job to me. what a lot of folks are saying is that when they go to wal mart, the dude/ dudette running the store should be like an angel. That's the standard they are holding the athletes to. Do God's laws matter in your evealuation of said athlete, or just the laws of man? there are plenty that blatantly go against God's laws, but keep on cruising through the years...