Greg Davis Report Card

[country club]

Hero or Zero ? Too early to tell ? What was your FIRST clue ?

[KT2000]

I don't particularly like his style, but he did do a nice job with Vince for the last half of his sophomore year and entire junior year. In general, I think he tends to play way too conservative at times given the talent at his disposal and his running offense doesn't have enough variety in my opinion. Based on what I've seen, if something is working he will ride it into the ground. It doesn't seem like he mixes calls very effectively, but that's just what I've observed. I'm by no means an expert.

[country club]

I beleive that is a fair assessment. Our expectations are high this year and from the talent suiting up , barring any major injuries, he will have a chance to WIN over a somewhat anxious alumni.

[jtk1519]

Solid B+. It's important to remember that Davis' other title is QB coach and how can you argue with his resume. He's had 4 starting QBs (one he didn't recruit... Applewhite) in 10 years at Texas. One is now the OC at one of the nations biggest programs, the other has been a multi-year starter in the NFL and is busted spleen away from starting this year. One (who Stoops recruited as a WR BTW) just won the NFL's ROY the year and his most recent QB just tied the all-time NCAA record for TDs by freshman QBs while breaking The University's record for TD passes in a season. The way he handled Colt last year was brilliant. Colt has a serious chance to throw 120 career TD passes and rewrite the Texas passing records before his senior season.

Davis is a great coordinator. His schemes have been very good and outside of some inconsistency with Applewhite and Simms and not playing Cedric as a freshman in the RRS, Davis scheming has been tremendous. You have to understand that he went in after the 2003 season, ripped out the offense he had been running for years dating back to UNC, took the Indianapolis Colts base offense, installed it at Texas and then tweaked it around Vince. He then used that scheme to highlight Vince's skills while developing his weaknesses. The result was the 2005 season.

Where Davis struggles is in play calling. He's too old school in his attachment to the run. He still works under the mindset that you have to first establish the run, but Texas doesn't have the personnel to do that. Texas has the perfect personnel for a spread offense. With that grouping, he should develop more of a WCO mentality and use the pass to set up the run. Texas was about 55/45 run/pass last year, but a lot of that had to do with bringing Colt along slowly. By the end of the season, the offense was about 50/50 and it should be about 45/55 run/pass this year IMO. Colt should be putting the ball up 35+ times a game and Jamaal should be getting 15 carries a game and another 5+ catches with Obi-Won pulling in 8-10 carries a game.

Davis gets knocked a lot for the first few years he was here, but anybody that knows Texas football knows that Mac III did not leave the program in good shape. Their was some great individual talent, but there was no depth to speak of at all... especially on the O-line and that hurt. That's why Texas could crush smaller programs, but when the big boys came, Texas just didn't have the bench to hang. It took the coaches a good 5 years to get the depth chart to a legit 2 deep and that is what you HAVE to have to win championships.

[dragonsdaddy]

Solid B+. It's important to remember that Davis' other title is QB coach and how can you argue with his resume. He's had 4 starting QBs (one he didn't recruit... Applewhite) in 10 years at Texas. One is now the OC at one of the nations biggest programs, the other has been a multi-year starter in the NFL and is busted spleen away from starting this year. One (who Stoops recruited as a WR BTW) just won the NFL's ROY the year and his most recent QB just tied the all-time NCAA record for TDs by freshman QBs while breaking The University's record for TD passes in a season. The way he handled Colt last year was brilliant. Colt has a serious chance to throw 120 career TD passes and rewrite the Texas passing records before his senior season.

Davis is a great coordinator. His schemes have been very good and outside of some inconsistency with Applewhite and Simms and not playing Cedric as a freshman in the RRS, Davis scheming has been tremendous. You have to understand that he went in after the 2003 season, ripped out the offense he had been running for years dating back to UNC, took the Indianapolis Colts base offense, installed it at Texas and then tweaked it around Vince. He then used that scheme to highlight Vince's skills while developing his weaknesses. The result was the 2005 season.

Where Davis struggles is in play calling. He's too old school in his attachment to the run. He still works under the mindset that you have to first establish the run, but Texas doesn't have the personnel to do that. Texas has the perfect personnel for a spread offense. With that grouping, he should develop more of a WCO mentality and use the pass to set up the run. Texas was about 55/45 run/pass last year, but a lot of that had to do with bringing Colt along slowly. By the end of the season, the offense was about 50/50 and it should be about 45/55 run/pass this year IMO. Colt should be putting the ball up 35+ times a game and Jamaal should be getting 15 carries a game and another 5+ catches with Obi-Won pulling in 8-10 carries a game.

Davis gets knocked a lot for the first few years he was here, but anybody that knows Texas football knows that Mac III did not leave the program in good shape. Their was some great individual talent, but there was no depth to speak of at all... especially on the O-line and that hurt. That's why Texas could crush smaller programs, but when the big boys came, Texas just didn't have the bench to hang. It took the coaches a good 5 years to get the depth chart to a legit 2 deep and that is what you HAVE to have to win championships.
wow. just exactly how i'd have described him, not.

[theTrutHurts]

You could have let Vince be the OC his junior year. "Get open and if you don't, I'll run it." Or Ramonce, Selvin, Jamaal, I'm going to give it to you or keep it.

Thank goodness for Vince Young. Mack might still be the equivalent of the coach in The Waterboy with Bob Stoops playing the opposing team's coach.


I really didn't like how he babied McCoy against Ohio State, didn't go down the field with any passes, allowing OSU to be very aggressive. Other than that, I liked what he did last year.

[KT2000]

Davis is a very good CEO type like Mack. He excels at man management, but I agree JTK as far as his playcalling is concerned. I just don't like it myself, and have never been on board with it. Even with Vince, I thought there was more they could do with him in the way of speed options and bootlegs from multiple formations, both under center and in the Gun. One game situation I will admit Greg Davis manages well is the 2 minute offense. Davis' passing offense focuses on quick, rythmic throws and that lends itself well to tight clock situations. It also plays into what I said above about Davis sticking to one style in a given series. Generally he is either going to run a lot or pass a lot and there isn't much mixing. Vince added unpredictability to the scheme because while the formation/down and distance tendencies may clearly suggest one thing, you still have to account for the fact that #10 is under center. With more dropback oriented QBs like McCoy, I think the offense could benefit a ton from a better mix of run and pass in addition to more diverse and cleverly disguised and/or balanced formations. I know an offense is pretty basic when I can sit there and call what play will be run 80-90% of the time pre-snap. I know if I can do that, a college defense and coaching staff surely does as well.

[jtk1519]

There are two basic philosophies when it comes to offensive scheming in college football. One suggests that it is better to use 2 or 3 basic formations and spend the limited practice time in cfb perfecting a wider number of plays out of those formations. The other suggest it is better to use a wide variety of formations with a limited number of plays per formation.

Most of the better offenses in cfb recently, including Texas, take the first approach. Texas' base and favorite formation is the 3 wide spread from the gun which is run on over 50% of all plays.

http://s88027846.onlinehome.us/UTvNU06-JermichaelFinley-Catch1(DivX).avi

The next favorite is a 2 TE ACE formation that Texas will vary occasionally by moving the QB back to the gun. This formation was very effective in '04 when Scaife and Thomas took either side. It became a little less effective in '05 and '06 with only one real receiving threat at TE (the other TE basically serves as an extra tackle or a decoy). I think we'll see a lot more of this type package this year because the coaches have supposedly been blown away by Blaine Irby who could see the field very early in the year.

Under center...
http://s88027846.onlinehome.us/UTvNU06-LimasSweed-TD(DivX).avi

Shotgun...
http://s88027846.onlinehome.us/UTvNU06-SelvinYoung-Run1(DivX).avi

And the final formation is a typical I formation or off-set I that wasn't used much simply because J-Mike is not yet a great blocker and Texas didn't have a FB on the roster (they used a walk-on LB) and those things you MUST have to be effective in an I formation. It was far more effective in '05 with Thomas at TE and Hall at FB.

http://s88027846.onlinehome.us/UTvATM05-AhmardHall-Catch(DivX).avi

Other teams taking a fewer formation approach include WVU who's base is a 4 wide shotgun followed by a 2 back shotgun and then traditional I formation. USC also does this... especially under Norm Chow where they basically had two formations... a traditional I formation and then a 3 WR ACE package that sometimes moved in a second TE in place of the slot receiver or a slot receiver in place of the TE in an I formation. LSU does much the same as USC. The only real difference is that LSU will go in the gun whereas Norm Chow did not employ one single play from the shotgun.

Teams taking the multiple formation approach include Houston, Nebraska, Florida, A&M and Boise State among others. There are obviously pros and cons to both approaches, but the biggest con is that each formation usually one features a limited number of plays and so film study can quickly reveal a team's tendencies from certain formations.

I like what Davis does scheme wise. The 3 wide gun and 2 TE ACE formations are money and shouldn't be changed. Until a FB is found, the I formation stuff should just be dumped. WVU can get away with that because they can through a bruiser like Owen Schmidt in the backfield. As of yet, Texas doesn't have that option. The only other thing I would like to see is more straight 4 wide stuff. Force defenses into nickel and dime formations and exploit that.

The thing people need to understand about last year is that Texas ran a very base offense and never got away from that. The reason was simple... they didn't know who their QB would be. Even going into the UNT game, there was a good chance Snead was going to be the QB of the future and with Snead you can basically keep the same stuff Vince ran because Snead provides the run threat from the QB position. However, as the season progressed and it became obvious that Colt was the QB of the future, Davis scrapped the zone-read which took out a fair amount of Texas' offensive options. They incorporated some new things here and there, but there is only so much you can do during the course of the season. I happen to know that we will see a of of changes this year. Now that he knows who is QB will be for sure, Davis is building an offense around Colt that can utilize his strengths while giving the running game some help too. You wont see a change in the scheming used really, but you will see a lot more variety and options available from those schemes.

[KT2000]

I will be very interested to see what Texas does schematically this year now that Colt is established as the quarterback.

First, very quality post JTK. That's the kind of stuff I like to read on here.

In regard to your comment on multiple formation schemes, I think it depends on the coordinator and how they've designed the scheme. Of course, the players will always ultimately determine what a team can and can't do but just to theorize...multiple formation schemes can include many plays but also be very player friendly depending on the mentality of those formations in addition to the design/verbage.

For example, you could have 8-10 base formations and a core plays that can be run from any one of those formations save for a heavy jumbo goalline package perhaps. Shifts and motions balloon those 8-10 base sets into a multitude of looks, and all of that can be made player friendly by maintaining consistency in the overall verbage of each play/formation/motion/shift.

Multiple formation schemes don't necessarily equate to small playbooks if the scheme is well designed.

[cajun]

Other teams taking a fewer formation approach include WVU who's base is a 4 wide shotgun followed by a 2 back shotgun and then traditional I formation. USC also does this... especially under Norm Chow where they basically had two formations... a traditional I formation and then a 3 WR ACE package that sometimes moved in a second TE in place of the slot receiver or a slot receiver in place of the TE in an I formation. LSU does much the same as USC. The only real difference is that LSU will go in the gun whereas Norm Chow did not employ one single play from the shotgun.

USC gonna be in the shotgun some this year and that makes them even more scary in my book...Booty ain't the tallest QB in the land and had some passes batted down last year, a couple that really hurt...Booty was born in the shotgun...I believe they may use it quite abit especially on 3rd down and longs...

LOS ANGELES - Fans at the L.A. Coliseum are likely to see something new in the fall when USC takes the field. The Trojans are calling shotgun.

Quarterbacks John David Booty and Mark Sanchez have been going to the formation during spring practice and took several snaps in shotgun during an unusually blustery day in Southern California on Thursday.

While it isn't remotely close to a well-oiled machine during these early sessions, the formation should provide a new fold to the already potent Trojan offense.

"I like it," Booty said of running the shotgun. "I'm still really getting used to it. I feel like it can really help our football team."

The new formation comes courtesy of former quarterbacks coach Steve Sarkisian, who takes over as offensive coordinator for the departed Lane Kiffin, now head coach of the Oakland Raiders. While Sarkisian is making a few tweaks to the system, he realizes that the offense isn't broken and he's not trying to fix it.

"We've always got some new wrinkles," Sarkisian said. "You like to experiment with a few things and some people have had some success in special situations, like third down. We're not going to become a shotgun team."

A wrinkle or two is exactly what this offense needs. The Trojans return the bulk of a unit that ranked in the top-25 in both total offense and scoring offense last season with more than 391 yards and 30 points per game.


http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stories/041307aal.html

[jtk1519]

Yeah, USC will go in the gun now, but Chow was a Bill Walsh disciple and Walsh NEVER used the shotgun. He wanted his QBs eyes on the defense at all times... not looking down to take a deep snap. I am not at all surprised to hear USC will be incorporating some shotgun into their offense.

[jtk1519]

I will be very interested to see what Texas does schematically this year now that Colt is established as the quarterback.

First, very quality post JTK. That's the kind of stuff I like to read on here.

In regard to your comment on multiple formation schemes, I think it depends on the coordinator and how they've designed the scheme. Of course, the players will always ultimately determine what a team can and can't do but just to theorize...multiple formation schemes can include many plays but also be very player friendly depending on the mentality of those formations in addition to the design/verbage.

For example, you could have 8-10 base formations and a core plays that can be run from any one of those formations save for a heavy jumbo goalline package perhaps. Shifts and motions balloon those 8-10 base sets into a multitude of looks, and all of that can be made player friendly by maintaining consistency in the overall verbage of each play/formation/motion/shift.

Multiple formation schemes don't necessarily equate to small playbooks if the scheme is well designed.

As I understand it, Texas is working on some pre-snap shifts that will show one look and then shift to something completely different.

I've seen Art Briles' offense installed at the high school level and I love it. If I could see Texas run any offense, it would be either Briles' spread or June Jones' Run n' Shoot. What makes Briles offense good IMO is that it runs a lot of the same plays, but out of different formations. Meaning, because of the way the offenses uses it's personnel, they can line up in a 2 back shotgun with a TE, but run the same basic plays they would if they were lined up 4 wide. another thing Briles likes to do is show a multiple back offense and then motion the RBs out. The defense goes from seeing and naturally expecting run or something inside to what is basically a 5 wide set. It's very difficult to defend because if the defense goes nickel or dime or drops their DBs, the RBs can stay pat and now you have multiple runs threats up a soft interior. If the DBs crowd the line or stay in a 7 man front expecting run, the RBs go in motion and the secondary is burned. I would give up red meat to see Jamaal Charles used in such a way.

This is a play Briles runs out of multiple back sets...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xs7HUBL4Q5s

What makes that work is that Battle who is lined up like a FB, is a serious run threat and occupies the middle. That frees up Alridge to sweep around the outside where he is in space and can make plays. That is where Jamaal needs to be.

This is a big pass play in Briles' offense that Spradlin likes to use at Cooper with the TE...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_dE1iZHrmRY

They line up 4 wide with trips to the weak side. The inside receiver (or the TE in Cooper's case) comes in motion and then runs a quick cross. What makes that play effective is that they run a play that looks just like that pre-snap, but instead of running that route, the motion receiver takes off and runs a go route. The QB makes that read pre-snap depending on the look of the safeties and one play has now become two.

Houston doesn't have a ton of plays, but when you can run the same play out of multiple formations, you create the illusion of complexity. The reality is that Art Briles' offense, Mike Leach's offense, June Jones' offense... they are all very simple. Jones and Leach have a way of multiplying plays by using WR options which means they can run the same play over and over, but have it look like a completely different play each time. The options are designed to exploit whatever the defense is doing.

[KT2000]

Houston doesn't have a ton of plays, but when you can run the same play out of multiple formations, you create the illusion of complexity. The reality is that Art Briles' offense, Mike Leach's offense, June Jones' offense... they are all very simple. Jones and Leach have a way of multiplying plays by using WR options which means they can run the same play over and over, but have it look like a completely different play each time. The options are designed to exploit whatever the defense is doing.

Yes, therein lies the secret. Gotta love the Pirate and his 3x5 notecard on the sideline.

[country club]

This Saturday will be the first of several POP Tests for Greg. Let's review on Sunday. Shall we ?

[BDB]

i would give Greg an A if he opened it up and gave different views besides the option draw and play action. i want to see some I formation in there.

[jtk1519]

i would give Greg an A if he opened it up and gave different views besides the option draw and play action. i want to see some I formation in there.

Why? For the I formation to be anything more than a puppet show, you need at least a decent FB (Texas' best option is a walk-on LB) and a decent blocking TE (J-Mike is getting better, but he's still more of a glorified receiver). Statistically, the I formation has been a poorer producing formation for Texas because it takes talented players off the field in favor of less talented players. In order to run the I, Texas would have to take off the field The Quan or Nate Jones or The Ghost (when back) or Pittman (when back) so they could trot out Luke Tiemann. Thanks, but no thanks.

I don't know if the problem is a lack of talent on the line (I don't think it is) or poor coaching of the line and RBs, but I watched this weekend numerous teams run not only the same zone-blocking scheme Texas does, but some of the very same plays. Hell, Indy tonight ran the exact same trap play out the 3 wide ACE formation that Texas does. Louisville uses similar zone blocking as do Michigan and USC who have two of the best O-lines in college football.

Honestly, I think the biggest problem is not the formation, but a limited number of options out of the formation. There are too many teams at the college and pro levels that run really well out of the shotgun behind a zone blocking scheme and without a run threat at the QB position to blame the lack of success on the scheme. Now, I do know that a lot of new stuff was added to the playbook this year so I can only speculate that the coaches installed a very basic game plan for Arkie Lite so as to throw some new things at TCU and the dirt burglars. That said, I also think a good part of the problem is Jamaal. He just doesn't get how to run in the scheme.

Watching the game on TV today was painful because he just doesn't get it. Anybody that has ever watched a Denver Broncos game (another zone blocking team) has heard at great length commentators ramble on about how the offense is a one cut offense that stretches the play towards the sideline and demands the RB make a quick, single cut and get upfield. Addai was doing that all night tonight. Selvin learned towards the end of last year and has used that to get in the NFL. Jamaal though just runs too much like Ramonce used too. Always stretching the play out looking for the big play while never realizing that a majority of the time, the big play comes from making that cut and breaking the first tackle to get into open field. If Jamaal hasn't learned that by now, coaching is the only thing I can point to.

I was glad to see Jamaal carry the ball as much as he did and I was even happier to see he did it without a fumble. And I even thought his production was decent considering the line broke down a couple of times, but he has said himself that he is running with hesitation and that just won't cut it. A RB in this scheme has to make a quick decision and stick to that decision. A hesitant RB is one who is being taken down at the LOS by CBs because he is stretching the play out too far.

[Crank_It]

As I understand it, Texas is working on some pre-snap shifts that will show one look and then shift to something completely different.

I've seen Art Briles' offense installed at the high school level and I love it. If I could see Texas run any offense, it would be either Briles' spread or June Jones' Run n' Shoot. What makes Briles offense good IMO is that it runs a lot of the same plays, but out of different formations. Meaning, because of the way the offenses uses it's personnel, they can line up in a 2 back shotgun with a TE, but run the same basic plays they would if they were lined up 4 wide. another thing Briles likes to do is show a multiple back offense and then motion the RBs out. The defense goes from seeing and naturally expecting run or something inside to what is basically a 5 wide set. It's very difficult to defend because if the defense goes nickel or dime or drops their DBs, the RBs can stay pat and now you have multiple runs threats up a soft interior. If the DBs crowd the line or stay in a 7 man front expecting run, the RBs go in motion and the secondary is burned. I would give up red meat to see Jamaal Charles used in such a way.

This is a play Briles runs out of multiple back sets...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xs7HUBL4Q5s

What makes that work is that Battle who is lined up like a FB, is a serious run threat and occupies the middle. That frees up Alridge to sweep around the outside where he is in space and can make plays. That is where Jamaal needs to be.

This is a big pass play in Briles' offense that Spradlin likes to use at Cooper with the TE...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_dE1iZHrmRY

They line up 4 wide with trips to the weak side. The inside receiver (or the TE in Cooper's case) comes in motion and then runs a quick cross. What makes that play effective is that they run a play that looks just like that pre-snap, but instead of running that route, the motion receiver takes off and runs a go route. The QB makes that read pre-snap depending on the look of the safeties and one play has now become two.

Houston doesn't have a ton of plays, but when you can run the same play out of multiple formations, you create the illusion of complexity. The reality is that Art Briles' offense, Mike Leach's offense, June Jones' offense... they are all very simple. Jones and Leach have a way of multiplying plays by using WR options which means they can run the same play over and over, but have it look like a completely different play each time. The options are designed to exploit whatever the defense is doing.


they ran this play a few times during the spring game but it was out of the same formation everytime

[BDB]

why can't we pick up a solid fullback instead of another small speedy RB? i understand we rn the spread, that's fine with me, but get a goaline offense started so when we hit the 10 there's a different play besidesP/A fade to sweed.

and you said it too, you get another formation you get more plays to choose from.

i'm not asking for another vince young, just a complete team.

[Favpack]

why can't we pick up a solid fullback instead of another small speedy RB? i understand we rn the spread, that's fine with me, but get a goaline offense started so when we hit the 10 there's a different play besidesP/A fade to sweed.

and you said it too, you get another formation you get more plays to choose from.

i'm not asking for another vince young, just a complete team.

Melton, Henry

Where 'O where is Hammerin' Hank?
:confused: :D

[jtk1519]

why can't we pick up a solid fullback instead of another small speedy RB? i understand we rn the spread, that's fine with me, but get a goaline offense started so when we hit the 10 there's a different play besidesP/A fade to sweed.

and you said it too, you get another formation you get more plays to choose from.

i'm not asking for another vince young, just a complete team.

Because Texas does not run an offense that uses a FB. Why and how would you recruit a player that you only plan to use maybe a couple of times a game.

I think the approach the coaches have taken is to instead of recruiting and playing FB, recruit bigger, power runners that can be primary ball carriers or short yardage power backs who don't need a lead blocker. Unfortunatley, such efforts have failed and that is why Texas is where it is right now. Michael Houston didn't last a semester, but that was supposed to be his role. Henry Melton was supposed to serve in that role, but we all know what happened there. If the 6'3 275 pound RB ran like a 6'3 275 RB, we would not be having this discussion.

There are still some options for the future including Cody Johnson who is a 5'11 240 pound true freshman and who could in the future serve as a short-yardage back or even become a regular FB. And then there is Ryan Roberson in the current recruting class. He's rated the 2nd best FB recruiting the country, but he could play LB or RB.

Again, the offense Texas runs is based on the offense the Indianapolis Colts run and with a blocking scheme much like what the Denver Broncos use. Neither of those teams uses a FB much, if at all. They instead prefer using 2 TEs instead which is what Texas has done to this point. I would actually like to see Texas use the second TE much like Bill Parcells used Anthony Fasano... line up up at TE and then motion him back to the backfield or visa versa. More of an H-back role. Supposedly, that is what the coaches are training Blaine Irby to be which would be huge if it works.

[country club]

Greg ( MR. PREDICTABLE ) is treading water, Mack is on thin ice. Is anybody outside of Austin paying attention. Yes we are LIMPING to The Cotton Bowl, but here is the BIGGER PICTURE. Character Counts !!!!!!!

Reprinted from The Statesman:


"We are not Oklahoma — EVER. We aren't SMU of the early '80s. And we aren't A&M under Jackie Sherrill. We are Texas, with a proud tradition. Mack is following Darrell Royal, not Switzer or Sherrill or Spurrier.

I will gladly accept five honorable 8-4 seasons and even a losing one every decade or so before I accept a perennial top-five school with the type of outlaw program that has disgraced schools like OU and Miami.

I bet coach Brown and even a few sportswriters would be surprised to find that neither me nor most of my friends will ever accept Texas being placed on probation for recruiting or other NCAA violations. I'm all too afraid this is where we are headed.

This must stop.

I didn't stay through the lean times to let a few high-paid coaches or hotshot 19-year-olds disgrace my school. I hope Mack and the team grow up and stop the defensive statements, such as "we don't read papers or listen to media hype."

It's in their interest to understand that we do.

And they may be surprised just how loud and angry and protective alums can get when something they love and have stayed true to for decades is threatened."

Joe Cutbirth

New York, N.Y.

In Austin he is called Coach Royal for a reason. Respect. Mack got lucky with Vince and won a National Title. He is still striving to earn Respect. I hope he is up for the Challenge.

[SLCDRGN]

Greg Davis is a Zero. Actually, less than a zero. No VY to bail him out of his poor play calling. TU does not have a quarterback on the roster with enough ability to offset Greg's inadequate play calling!

[jtk1519]

Greg Davis is a Zero. Actually, less than a zero. No VY to bail him out of his poor play calling. TU does not have a quarterback on the roster with enough ability to offset Greg's inadequate play calling!

We should hire Pinkel. :eek:

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

[SLCDRGN]

Solid B+. It's important to remember that Davis' other title is QB coach and how can you argue with his resume. He's had 4 starting QBs (one he didn't recruit... Applewhite) in 10 years at Texas. One is now the OC at one of the nations biggest programs, the other has been a multi-year starter in the NFL and is busted spleen away from starting this year. One (who Stoops recruited as a WR BTW) just won the NFL's ROY the year and his most recent QB just tied the all-time NCAA record for TDs by freshman QBs while breaking The University's record for TD passes in a season. The way he handled Colt last year was brilliant. Colt has a serious chance to throw 120 career TD passes and rewrite the Texas passing records before his senior season.

Davis is a great coordinator. His schemes have been very good and outside of some inconsistency with Applewhite and Simms and not playing Cedric as a freshman in the RRS, Davis scheming has been tremendous. You have to understand that he went in after the 2003 season, ripped out the offense he had been running for years dating back to UNC, took the Indianapolis Colts base offense, installed it at Texas and then tweaked it around Vince. He then used that scheme to highlight Vince's skills while developing his weaknesses. The result was the 2005 season.

Where Davis struggles is in play calling. He's too old school in his attachment to the run. He still works under the mindset that you have to first establish the run, but Texas doesn't have the personnel to do that. Texas has the perfect personnel for a spread offense. With that grouping, he should develop more of a WCO mentality and use the pass to set up the run. Texas was about 55/45 run/pass last year, but a lot of that had to do with bringing Colt along slowly. By the end of the season, the offense was about 50/50 and it should be about 45/55 run/pass this year IMO. Colt should be putting the ball up 35+ times a game and Jamaal should be getting 15 carries a game and another 5+ catches with Obi-Won pulling in 8-10 carries a game.

Davis gets knocked a lot for the first few years he was here, but anybody that knows Texas football knows that Mac III did not leave the program in good shape. Their was some great individual talent, but there was no depth to speak of at all... especially on the O-line and that hurt. That's why Texas could crush smaller programs, but when the big boys came, Texas just didn't have the bench to hang. It took the coaches a good 5 years to get the depth chart to a legit 2 deep and that is what you HAVE to have to win championships.

You have got to be kidding me. This boy BLEEDS orange. My man, you have to get look outside of TU football. You will love what you see.

[jtk1519]

You have got to be kidding me. This boy BLEEDS orange. My man, you have to get look outside of TU football. You will love what you see.

Wow. Quoting a post I made before the season even began. You're on fire tonight.

HIRE PINKEL!!!

[SLCDRGN]

We should hire Pinkel. :eek:

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

They both belong in the same group. Neither can get out of their own way! Mizzo is lucky they have Chase to offset the poor OC. It is visually obvious TU does not have that luxury. Where is Chance Mock when you need him?

[tayb]

4th and 8. Swing Pass.

3rd and 7. Swing Pass.

Need I say more?

Oh nevermind... it is the O-Lines fault those passes were called. :rolleyes:

[jtk1519]

4th and 8. Swing Pass.

3rd and 7. Swing Pass.

Need I say more?

Oh nevermind... it is the O-Lines fault those passes were called. :rolleyes:

No... it's Colt's.

BTW, you just described Mizzou's entire 4th quarter against A&M last year.

[HUM398]

4th and 8. Swing Pass.

3rd and 7. Swing Pass.

Need I say more?

Oh nevermind... it is the O-Lines fault those passes were called. :rolleyes:


Who the hell said it was the O-line?

Not one person that i can remember... it lies on the play calling. Adapt to the talent Davis, or lose...and if you lose, hopefully you lose your job. ( i say win or lose, Davis needs to get the hell out of Austin....)

[tayb]

I find this absolutely hilarious.

Just yesterday you two were telling me it was the O-Lines fault and McCoy was FORCED to check down to those receivers because he was being pressured.

Now a day removed and it is Colt's "mistake" to throw those passes on 3rd and long/4th and long.

WOW.

[LPack007]

4th and 8. Swing Pass.

3rd and 7. Swing Pass.

Need I say more?

Oh nevermind... it is the O-Lines fault those passes were called. :rolleyes:

HookEm we will probably see about ten or more of those swing Passes on Saturday because MR.Conservative loves that i guess smh.....:rolleyes:

[HUM398]

I find this absolutely hilarious.

Just yesterday you two were telling me it was the O-Lines fault and McCoy was FORCED to check down to those receivers because he was being pressured.

Now a day removed and it is Colt's "mistake" to throw those passes on 3rd and long/4th and long.

WOW.


what?

1. i said that it was abruptly stupid to request a change at QB because he wasn't preforming well behind A. a young O-line B. under a offensive scheme ran by an old fart (Davis).... i also said that alot of you "Fans" claiming that Colt didnt have the stuff, are the same people that were holding him in high praise last year. how does he go from a hero, to a bench warmer in just 1 year... . The fact that he had to return to a line that has never played together as a complete unit, is going to hurt a Young QB. He doesnt have that battle tested Line that one a NC title anymore... he is going to be forced to overcompensate for their lack of experience. can you put the whole blame on Davis and the lack of experience...no. Colt as the QB has to take some of it, but i can't believe my eyes when reading all yall wanting to see a change at QB because he isn't what you expected. Questioning his "Stuff", The guy played through a mild concussion on Saturday in an effort to try and comeback... Its mighty aggy of some of yall to request change so early in the season.

2. Colt got knocked around on Saturday, and the O-line knows that they were partially to blame for him running for his life. O-Line on Colt (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/5180012.html)


I stand where i stood yesterday... this team just isn't as good as we thought, and its mostly due to poor play calling (davis) and inexperience.

[LPack007]

what?

1. i said that it was abruptly stupid to request a change at QB because he wasn't preforming well behind A. a young O-line B. under a offensive scheme ran by an old fart (Davis).... i also said that alot of you "Fans" claiming that Colt didnt have the stuff, are the same people that were holding him in high praise last year. how does he go from a hero, to a bench warmer in just 1 year... . The fact that he had to return to a line that has never played together as a complete unit, is going to hurt a Young QB. He doesnt have that battle tested Line that one a NC title anymore... he is going to be forced to overcompensate for their lack of experience. can you put the whole blame on Davis and the lack of experience...no. Colt as the QB has to take some of it, but i can't believe my eyes when reading all yall wanting to see a change at QB because he isn't what you expected. Questioning his "Stuff", The guy played through a mild concussion on Saturday in an effort to try and comeback... Its mighty aggy of some of yall to request change so early in the season.

2. Colt got knocked around on Saturday, and the O-line knows that they were partially to blame for him running for his life. O-Line on Colt (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/5180012.html)


I stand where i stood yesterday... this team just isn't as good as we thought, and its mostly due to poor play calling (davis) and inexperience.

Yea the O-line is to blame for some of it but were u saying the same stuff last year when A&M was knocking him around and hurt him a little bit in that game with that suppose to be great mostly seniors O-Line last year and the K-State game last year too?.......

[HUM398]

Yea the O-line is to blame for some of it but were u saying the same stuff last year when A&M was knocking him around and hurt him a little bit in that game with that suppose to be great mostly seniors O-Line last year and the K-State game last year too?.......

i never said that last year. Colt was banged up that game and have no idea how he got cleared to play with a weak throwing arm, and a pinched nerve...then again, our options weren't so bright after Colt.

We just lost...freaky loss.

[jtk1519]

I find this absolutely hilarious.

Just yesterday you two were telling me it was the O-Lines fault and McCoy was FORCED to check down to those receivers because he was being pressured.

Now a day removed and it is Colt's "mistake" to throw those passes on 3rd and long/4th and long.

WOW.

I really didn't think it was that hard to keep up, but I suppose I was mistaken.

[LPack007]

i never said that last year. Colt was banged up that game and have no idea how he got cleared to play with a weak throwing arm, and a pinched nerve...then again, our options weren't so bright after Colt.

We just lost...freaky loss.

Yea i hear you i hated too when we gave OU the South.:(

[HUM398]

I really didn't think it was that hard to keep up, but I suppose I was mistaken.

You should have known JTK. What the hell is wrong with you...You know you don't overload noobs with the truth...it leads to confusion, and ultimately soonerism....do you want that kind of blood on your hands?

[jtk1519]

You should have known JTK. What the hell is wrong with you...You know you don't overload noobs with the truth...it leads to confusion, and ultimately soonerism....do you want that kind of blood on your hands?

I need to learn to lower my expectations. You know what's really sad though... wide would have kept up. :cry

[tayb]

I guess Hum and JTK live in a world where prior statements are irrelevant and "facts" are their own opinions that change hourly. I wish I lived in that world.

[HUM398]

I guess Hum and JTK live in a world where prior statements are irrelevant and "facts" are their own opinions that change hourly. I wish I lived in that world.

Not sure when my Prior statements changed, but if you say so sooner.

[HUM398]

I need to learn to lower my expectations. You know what's really sad though... wide would have kept up. :cry

Wide wouldn't be arguing this... Trust me.

[tayb]

Not sure when my Prior statements changed, but if you say so sooner.

I'm not even going to bother arguing with you anymore. You blame Greg Davis today, the O-Line yesterday. I wouldn't doubt if you agree Colt is the problem tomorrow. Only to repeat the whole process on Thursday.

Your logic is similar to those folks living in college station.

[jtk1519]

I have no idea what prior statements he's talking about either. We're posting on a thread that started a couple of weeks before the season even started. Maybe that's what he's babbling about.

[HUM398]

I'm not even going to bother arguing with you anymore. You blame Greg Davis today, the O-Line yesterday. I wouldn't doubt if you agree Colt is the problem tomorrow. Only to repeat the whole process on Thursday.

Your logic is similar to those folks living in college station.

Keep up man...it isnt that hard.

Greg Davis sucks, not Mack: Mack doesn't call the plays, Davis does... Their for, firing mack idea is completely unjust. What reasons or basis do you have?

Colt doesn't need to be benched, you can't blame a bad game solely on one guy when your Offensive Line didn't give you time to throw in the pocket. You did witness Colt running for his life, did you not... Were you watching when Colt got banged around like a little rag doll behind a very young Offensive line?

your arguments, has holes... rethink it.

[jtk1519]

Wide wouldn't be arguing this... Trust me.

We certainly wouldn't have to be spelling every little thing out... that's for sure.

[HUM398]

I have no idea what prior statements he's talking about either. We're posting on a thread that started a couple of weeks before the season even started. Maybe that's what he's babbling about.

Dudes been sipping on some of the Kool-aid drank.

[HUM398]

We certainly wouldn't have to be spelling every little thing out... that's for sure.

How i long for the good ol' days.

[jtk1519]

I'm not even going to bother arguing with you anymore. You blame Greg Davis today, the O-Line yesterday. I wouldn't doubt if you agree Colt is the problem tomorrow. Only to repeat the whole process on Thursday.

Your logic is similar to those folks living in college station.

Look... I like you. I'm going to help you out.

Colt and the line are both to blame and they are connected in that blame. I wont speak for HUM or any statements he has made, but I will just re-state what I have said repeatedly on this board because you obviously haven't gotten it quite yet.

These are the facts... the line played like :Censor:. They were pushed around and allowed the QB to be pressured. Texas started passing deep including 2 deep passes to Sweed and 1 to the Ghost... all of which were catchable and none of which were caught. It was in setting up for the deep pass that Colt was battered. To counter-act this, Colt started checking down to shorter passes so as to get the ball out quicker. That was the line's failure. Still with me?

Colt's failure came in his reads at the line. You don't check down to a tunnel screen against a line that is batting balls and against LBs who are in zone coverage. You don't throw short outs against press coverage. Colt could have done a number of things that might have helped. He could have given the ball to Jamaal on a delayed draw. A simple pump fake would have forced the line in the air and the DBs up. That, theoretically, would have freed up a deep man and the pass would have been easy to complete because of the play action. That is where Colt failed. You hanging on?

The coach failed in not adjusting. They should have rolled Colt away from the line. Bootlegs, roll outs, etc. A 2 TE ACE package with Colt under center would have brought the front 7 in. Play action to the RB would have occupied the LBs while Colt rolled out to one receiver running a deep slant, one running a post pattern, the Rb on a wheel route and both TEs running intermediate crossing routes. It's the very same play Texas used on several big scoring plays last year including Colt's TD pass to the Ghost against Tech. It was in not recognizing that and in not changing that the coaches failed.

Now, I'm really not trying to be rude. I understand where you're coming from and trust me when I say that my frustrations surrounding the team are comparable to yours. Just understand that no one person or unit loses a game like that. Colt doesn't single-handedly lose a game like that. The line doesn't single-handedly lose a game like that. The coaches don't single-handedly lose a game like that. It was the meeting of the three than created last Saturday.

[jtk1519]

How i long for the good ol' days.

Tell me about it.

[BDB]

HAHAHA!

i said i wantedto open the playbook, he hasn't and the offense has looked flat

BUT BEFORE SOMONE GET'S THIER PANTIES IN A BUNCH

i know that there were alot of players out, escpecially in the WR corp, and opening up the playbook may have not of been smart.

way to kill my moral victory............. EVERYONE :p

[HUM398]

Look... I like you. I'm going to help you out.

Colt and the line are both to blame and they are connected in that blame. I wont speak for HUM or any statements he has made, but I will just re-state what I have said repeatedly on this board because you obviously haven't gotten it quite yet.

These are the facts... the line played like :Censor:. They were pushed around and allowed the QB to be pressured. Texas started passing deep including 2 deep passes to Sweed and 1 to the Ghost... all of which were catchable and none of which were caught. It was in setting up for the deep pass that Colt was battered. To counter-act this, Colt started checking down to shorter passes so as to get the ball out quicker. That was the line's failure. Still with me?

Colt's failure came in his reads at the line. You don't check down to a tunnel screen against a line that is batting balls and against LBs who are in zone coverage. You don't throw short outs against press coverage. Colt could have done a number of things that might have helped. He could have given the ball to Jamaal on a delayed draw. A simple pump fake would have forced the line in the air and the DBs up. That, theoretically, would have freed up a deep man and the pass would have been easy to complete because of the play action. That is where Colt failed. You hanging on?

The coach failed in not adjusting. They should have rolled Colt away from the line. Bootlegs, roll outs, etc. A 2 TE ACE package with Colt under center would have brought the front 7 in. Play action to the RB would have occupied the LBs while Colt rolled out to one receiver running a deep slant, one running a post pattern, the Rb on a wheel route and both TEs running intermediate crossing routes. It's the very same play Texas used on several big scoring plays last year including Colt's TD pass to the Ghost against Tech. It was in not recognizing that and in not changing that the coaches failed.

Now, I'm really not trying to be rude. I understand where you're coming from and trust me when I say that my frustrations surrounding the team are comparable to yours. Just understand that no one person or unit loses a game like that. Colt doesn't single-handedly lose a game like that. The line doesn't single-handedly lose a game like that. The coaches don't single-handedly lose a game like that. It was the meeting of the three than created last Saturday.


Well said.

Only if Wide were here to comment...i truly think he would give you a bravo. (then again, Wide will surprise ya...and tell you "Good job, but your still a :Censor:".... ah, the good ol' days where banter was accepted...and no one cried...well mostly no one cried)

[HUM398]

HAHAHA!

i said i wantedto open the playbook, he hasn't and the offense has looked flat

BUT BEFORE SOMONE GET'S THIER PANTIES IN A BUNCH

i know that there were alot of players out, escpecially in the WR corp, and opening up the playbook may have not of been smart.

way to kill my moral victory............. EVERYONE :p

Thats :Censor: talk.... Get it together man, or jump back on the fat Asian wrestling.

[LPack007]

Look... I like you. I'm going to help you out.

Colt and the line are both to blame and they are connected in that blame. I wont speak for HUM or any statements he has made, but I will just re-state what I have said repeatedly on this board because you obviously haven't gotten it quite yet.

These are the facts... the line played like :Censor:. They were pushed around and allowed the QB to be pressured. Texas started passing deep including 2 deep passes to Sweed and 1 to the Ghost... all of which were catchable and none of which were caught. It was in setting up for the deep pass that Colt was battered. To counter-act this, Colt started checking down to shorter passes so as to get the ball out quicker. That was the line's failure. Still with me?

Colt's failure came in his reads at the line. You don't check down to a tunnel screen against a line that is batting balls and against LBs who are in zone coverage. You don't throw short outs against press coverage. Colt could have done a number of things that might have helped. He could have given the ball to Jamaal on a delayed draw. A simple pump fake would have forced the line in the air and the DBs up. That, theoretically, would have freed up a deep man and the pass would have been easy to complete because of the play action. That is where Colt failed. You hanging on?

The coach failed in not adjusting. They should have rolled Colt away from the line. Bootlegs, roll outs, etc. A 2 TE ACE package with Colt under center would have brought the front 7 in. Play action to the RB would have occupied the LBs while Colt rolled out to one receiver running a deep slant, one running a post pattern, the Rb on a wheel route and both TEs running intermediate crossing routes. It's the very same play Texas used on several big scoring plays last year including Colt's TD pass to the Ghost against Tech. It was in not recognizing that and in not changing that the coaches failed.

Now, I'm really not trying to be rude. I understand where you're coming from and trust me when I say that my frustrations surrounding the team are comparable to yours. Just understand that no one person or unit loses a game like that. Colt doesn't single-handedly lose a game like that. The line doesn't single-handedly lose a game like that. The coaches don't single-handedly lose a game like that. It was the meeting of the three than created last Saturday.

Its long but its right i just hope they can pull it together for the rest of the season.

[LPack007]

Well said.

Only if Wide were here to comment...i truly think he would give you a bravo. (then again, Wide will surprise ya...and tell you "Good job, but your still a :Censor:".... ah, the good ol' days where banter was accepted...and no one cried...well mostly no one cried)

He mostly be on the lufkin messageboard.

[jtk1519]

Well said.

Only if Wide were here to comment...i truly think he would give you a bravo. (then again, Wide will surprise ya...and tell you "Good job, but your still a :Censor:".... ah, the good ol' days where banter was accepted...and no one cried...well mostly no one cried)

Wide would add something pithy. Of course, wide would have also verbally raped our little Longhorn noob a long time ago, but his comments would be funny.

[HUM398]

Wide would add something pithy. Of course, wide would have also verbally raped our little Longhorn noob a long time ago, but his comments would be funny.

That they would be...

[jtk1519]

That they would be...

And they would be ban worthy. ;)

[country club]

Look... I like you. I'm going to help you out.

Colt and the line are both to blame and they are connected in that blame. I wont speak for HUM or any statements he has made, but I will just re-state what I have said repeatedly on this board because you obviously haven't gotten it quite yet.

These are the facts... the line played like :Censor:. They were pushed around and allowed the QB to be pressured. Texas started passing deep including 2 deep passes to Sweed and 1 to the Ghost... all of which were catchable and none of which were caught. It was in setting up for the deep pass that Colt was battered. To counter-act this, Colt started checking down to shorter passes so as to get the ball out quicker. That was the line's failure. Still with me?

Colt's failure came in his reads at the line. You don't check down to a tunnel screen against a line that is batting balls and against LBs who are in zone coverage. You don't throw short outs against press coverage. Colt could have done a number of things that might have helped. He could have given the ball to Jamaal on a delayed draw. A simple pump fake would have forced the line in the air and the DBs up. That, theoretically, would have freed up a deep man and the pass would have been easy to complete because of the play action. That is where Colt failed. You hanging on?

The coach failed in not adjusting. They should have rolled Colt away from the line. Bootlegs, roll outs, etc. A 2 TE ACE package with Colt under center would have brought the front 7 in. Play action to the RB would have occupied the LBs while Colt rolled out to one receiver running a deep slant, one running a post pattern, the Rb on a wheel route and both TEs running intermediate crossing routes. It's the very same play Texas used on several big scoring plays last year including Colt's TD pass to the Ghost against Tech. It was in not recognizing that and in not changing that the coaches failed.

Now, I'm really not trying to be rude. I understand where you're coming from and trust me when I say that my frustrations surrounding the team are comparable to yours. Just understand that no one person or unit loses a game like that. Colt doesn't single-handedly lose a game like that. The line doesn't single-handedly lose a game like that. The coaches don't single-handedly lose a game like that. It was the meeting of the three than created last Saturday.


No mention of special teams? Two returns for touchdowns !!!! Your field of vision is narrow. I could go on ..... The Longhorns were not properly prepared to beat their opponent. Blame ....... The Coaching Staff and the Team.

[BDB]

Thats :Censor: talk.... Get it together man, or jump back on the fat Asian wrestling.

I had to put the disclaimer or else someone might have mistaken my post for a thing of opinion.

[HUM398]

No mention of special teams? Two returns for touchdowns !!!! Your field of vision is narrow. I could go on ..... The Longhorns were not properly prepared to beat their opponent. Blame ....... The Coaching Staff and the Team.

Special teams is kind of a "DUH" area.

[jtk1519]

No mention of special teams? Two returns for touchdowns !!!! Your field of vision is narrow. I could go on ..... The Longhorns were not properly prepared to beat their opponent. Blame ....... The Coaching Staff and the Team.

I was only focusing on the offense. I could give you another few paragraphs on the defense and a few more on special teams, but the conversation at hand was about the line and QB play.

[country club]

No Duh

[jtk1519]

Yeah duh.

[country club]

Dig Duh

[jtk1519]

Little duh.

[HUM398]

Dig Duh

What the hell is a "Dig Duh"?

[Texasfrog]

i would give Greg an A if he opened it up and gave different views besides the option draw and play action. i want to see some I formation in there.

I give Greg Davis an "A" if he would leave the program.:D