Most D-1 athletes

[t-long20]

I was wondering which school sends the most athletes to a D-1 college year in and year out.Off the bat, schools from the DFW and Houston area come to mind

[Texasfrog]

I was wondering which school sends the most athletes to a D-1 college year in and year out.Off the bat, schools from the DFW and Houston area come to mind

If you look at Dave Campbells (page 48) they have a chart on what schools in Texas have sent the most D-1A players in the past five seasons (2003-2007 recruiting classes).

#1 is SLC with (21 players) in those five seasons. But, remember that all those SLC players are really "weak, slow and not very athletic" so they dont really count.;) :rolleyes: :D

[Texasfrog]

I also think the one season record (D-1A) for Texas is Dallas Carter with like 15 (D-1A) in like 1998 or 1999. I belive that Dallas Carter team with all those (D-1A) players went like (6-4) so they are the perfect example that all that (D-1A) talent wins games.

I'm sure a couple of the teams they lost to that year had maybe 2 or 3 (D-1A) athletes at the most.

PS.. I'm also sure that if you looked over the past 15 years Dallas Carter would be #1 in Texas with the most (D-1A) athletes. They also have "zero State Titles" in that same period.

[Firebird]

I know that Houston Yates sent more than 20 on to d-1a or d-1aa in 1985. Frog is right, SLC has sent more than anyone over the past 5 years, 10 in 2006. So don't let anyone tell you that SLC is untalented and it is only their system.

[t-long20]

I also think the one season record (D-1A) for Texas is Dallas Carter with like 15 (D-1A) in like 1998 or 1999. I belive that Dallas Carter team with all those (D-1A) players went like (6-4) so they are the perfect example that all that (D-1A) talent wins games.

I'm sure a couple of the teams they lost to that year had maybe 2 or 3 (D-1A) athletes at the most.

PS.. I'm also sure that if you looked over the past 15 years Dallas Carter would be #1 in Texas with the most (D-1A) athletes. They also have "zero State Titles" in that same period.

Im sure about that too but didnt they win one state title and they had to forfeit the victory to judson because they played an ineligible player

[mojotrain]

I know that Houston Yates sent more than 20 on to d-1a or d-1aa in 1985. Frog is right, SLC has sent more than anyone over the past 5 years, 10 in 2006. So don't let anyone tell you that SLC is untalented and it is only their system.

Which came first, the system or the D-1 players, or are the D-1 players the result of the system, or is the system the result of the D-1 players?

[Texasfrog]

Im sure about that too but didnt they win one state title and they had to forfeit the victory to judson because they played an ineligible player

They did win a State Title in like 88 or 89. I cant remember off the top of my head. That Dallas Carter team that did win State was also loaded with many (D-1A) players and even a few Prep All-American players. 2 or 3 of them on that Dallas CArter team went into the NFL also.

They did have to forfeit the State Title for a few reasons & like 3 or 4 of their (D-1A) players also went to Prison right out of High school so they never went to college.

But, since like 1990 Dallas Carter has probably sent the most players into (D-1A) football and they havent done anything big in that same time period. They've had a few teams make a decent playoff run but nothing that amounted to a Legit State Title attempt.

Plus, one of their teams (1996, 97 or 98) sent a ton of kids into D-1A football. Something like 15 or so and that team went like (6-4) and even got blown out a couple of times.

Someone that is more up on Dallas Carter will have to give better details but I would bet the house that they sent the most players into (D-1A) football since 1990 in Texas.

[Texasfrog]

I know that Houston Yates sent more than 20 on to d-1a or d-1aa in 1985. Frog is right, SLC has sent more than anyone over the past 5 years, 10 in 2006. So don't let anyone tell you that SLC is untalented and it is only their system.

That Houston Yates team did send a lot of kids into (D-1A) (D-1AA) and even (D-11) football.

They had an All-American LB-Melvin Foster that everyone in the country wanted.

They sent their QB to Sam Houston and he took them very deep into the D-1AA playoffs one year.

But, their best player (IMO) went to Texas A&I (RB-Johnny Bailey) and he won like 2 or 3 Walter Payton awards as the best D-11 player and went on to play in the NFL for several years.

Funny, that 1985 Houston Yates team sent a lot of players into (D-1A)& (D-1AA) football but their best player went into (D-11) football (Johnny Bailey). :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;)

[Firebird]

Which came first, the system or the D-1 players, or are the D-1 players the result of the system, or is the system the result of the D-1 players?

See my posts on the Yes.. another SLC-MNW thread.

No doubt, some SLC kids get scholarships, or get bumped up a scholi level, because college coaches LOVE well coached kids that have already been drilled fundamentals. Mid-major D-1a coaches are always looking for kids like that, who might be a step slower or an inch shorter, but come with a winners attitude and good fundamentals. They will often take a chance on them over a more "athletic" prospect that doesn't have the pedigree.

That being said, you don't send 21 players in 5 years to play D-1a ball just because of your system. Some will sneak in there because the system showcases them better, but SLC is a very, very talented team that year in and year out has multiple legit D-1 prospects on the roster. They are not Odessa Permian redux. Permian never lined up the athletic talent that SLC does. What makes SLC the perfect storm in Texas is that they have combined great athletes with Permian type discipline.

[Firebird]

That Houston Yates team did send a lot of kids into (D-1A) (D-1AA) and even (D-11) football.

They had an All-American LB-Melvin Foster that everyone in the country wanted.

They sent their QB to Sam Houston and he took them very deep into the D-1AA playoffs one year.

But, their best player (IMO) went to Texas A&I (RB-Johnny Bailey) and he won like 2 or 3 Walter Payton awards as the best D-11 player and went on to play in the NFL for several years.

Funny, that 1985 Houston Yates team sent a lot of players into (D-1A)& (D-1AA) football but their best player went into (D-11) football (Johnny Bailey). :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;)

DII produces some legit players every year. Kingsville (A&I) has fallen off a bit, but man, they were a veritable farm school for the NFL through the seventies, eighties, and nineties.

[KT2000]

Which came first, the system or the D-1 players, or are the D-1 players the result of the system, or is the system the result of the D-1 players?

None of the above. D1 players came as a result of winning 79 of 80 games in five years. The Carroll program has been exposed to recruiters more than any other because of how much they've won recently.

[BigRing5311]

None of the above. D1 players came as a result of winning 79 of 80 games in five years. The Carroll program has been exposed to recruiters more than any other because of how much they've won recently.

KT2000 (or anybody)...
What would your assessment be of the value $$$ of a D1 ride? I know it's different depending on the university but let's talk the average.

I'd say it's probably around $250K.

[SLC93]

Which came first, the system or the D-1 players, or are the D-1 players the result of the system, or is the system the result of the D-1 players?

The world may never know.:D

[drgnbkr]

Which came first, the system or the D-1 players, or are the D-1 players the result of the system, or is the system the result of the D-1 players?

It's all about the W's, not the D-1 players or system...

[slorch]

I know that Houston Yates sent more than 20 on to d-1a or d-1aa in 1985. Frog is right, SLC has sent more than anyone over the past 5 years, 10 in 2006. So don't let anyone tell you that SLC is untalented and it is only their system.

what's sad is Tech got some SLC talent years ago( Nate Chandler,Dane Johnson, and John Saldi; but evidently the kids now don't see Tech as a viable option. with the drive not being that bad from Southlake, and very compatible offensive schemes, I wonder what has caused this.

I know it got messy with Chandler, but Johnson and Saldi had very nice careers at Tech.

[ken-in-rockwall]

KT2000 (or anybody)...
What would your assessment be of the value $$$ of a D1 ride? I know it's different depending on the university but let's talk the average.

I'd say it's probably around $250K.

It's actually more like $150K. It depends on if it is resident or non-resident.

For example: At OU:

Tuition/Fees* = resident = $5,607 ; Non-resident = $14,721
30 credit hours
Room & Board = resident = $7,058; Non-resident = $7,058
Books = resident = $1,110; Non-resident = $1,110
Personal expenses = resident = $4,538; Non-resident = $4,538
Total Expense = resident = $18,313; Non-resident = $27,427

So take approx. $30k x 4 = $120K, as there are other fees once you go for specific major.

[StormingCowboy]

I was wondering which school sends the most athletes to a D-1 college year in and year out.Off the bat, schools from the DFW and Houston area come to mind


I know Carter is proably high on the list over time, but maybe not now. Their average over the last 5 years is probably 5 or 6 a year.

I don't have exact numbers. I do know my senior year in 92, we had over 15 to sign D1 and 22 to sign LOI for any divsion of college. That year which was Fall 91 we lost to WACO in the Qtr. Final, and our Jr year we lost a Arl. Lamar in the semi finals. Class of 91 was a small class but they even had a high percentage of D1 for their class size.
Class of 90, who were Juniors in '88 had a huge number to sign d1 too, but I don't remember who many.

Carter has always been a football factory but it was only in the late 80s and early 90s when we were a dominant force of consistently going deep in the playoffs.

Class of 94 had a very talented class too and had a lot of players sign D1 schlolarships, but their playoff run as cut short by a Byron Hanspard led Desoto, who were also loaded. I must mention that Carter's QB and starting tailback were out with injuries that game.

[SLC93]

what's sad is Tech got some SLC talent years ago( Nate Chandler,Dane Johnson, and John Saldi; but evidently the kids now don't see Tech as a viable option. with the drive not being that bad from Southlake, and very compatible offensive schemes, I wonder what has caused this.

I know it got messy with Chandler, but Johnson and Saldi had very nice careers at Tech.

Yeah, the Chandler thing was weird. He should have remained patient and he would have been a 2-3 year starter. Dane never had anything but good things to say about his time & experiences at Tech. I think many folks have wondered why Leach hasn't been more aggressive in going after Carroll qb's, especially.

[drgnbkr]

Yeah, the Chandler thing was weird. He should have remained patient and he would have been a 2-3 year starter. Dane never had anything but good things to say about his time & experiences at Tech. I think many folks have wondered why Leach hasn't been more aggressive in going after Carroll qb's, especially.

Don't forget that McElroy committed there before the Crimson Tide came calling...

[SLC93]

Don't forget that McElroy committed there before the Crimson Tide came calling...

I think the switch was the right thing for McElroy. It will serve him well to be in a more traditional/pro style offense. I say that only because it will help him come draft day. We all know how proficient he is running a spread offense.:D

[slorch]

yeah Me too. I think McElroy did the right thing for himself, and support his decision. that being said, I would have loved to see him in Leach's offense, with the discipline he learned at SLC.

Harrell may be running for his life this season and another great QB in addition to Potts would be great, but it's hard to imagine what it would be like with Potts and mcElroy all on the roster. Somebody would have transferred by now, just like Todd did. kids like that aren't going to a school to provide depth, unless their name is Mock...:D

[BigtimeO-line]

If you look at Dave Campbells (page 48) they have a chart on what schools in Texas have sent the most D-1A players in the past five seasons (2003-2007 recruiting classes).

#1 is SLC with (21 players) in those five seasons. But, remember that all those SLC players are really "weak, slow and not very athletic" so they dont really count.;) :rolleyes: :D

thats statistic willmost likely change soon... true SLC sent 21 in the past 5 years... of course... but FB Marshall has 13 in the last 2... and they already have 7 commited now, all D1...

so... ummm.... yeah lol :D


Peace

~280~

[Texasfrog]

thats statistic willmost likely change soon... true SLC sent 21 in the past 5 years... of course... but FB Marshall has 13 in the last 2... and they already have 7 commited now, all D1...

so... ummm.... yeah lol :D


Peace

~280~

Ya, I think FB Marshall and Cedar Hill are going to shoot up that chart very fast over the next couple of seasons.

I still think if you could go back about 10 more years and start that chart around 1995 that Dallas Carter would be the leader with something like 55 or so D-1A signees.

[BigtimeO-line]

Ya, I think FB Marshall and Cedar Hill are going to shoot up that chart very fast over the next couple of seasons.

I still think if you could go back about 10 more years and start that chart around 1995 that Dallas Carter would be the leader with something like 55 or so D-1A signees.

i wouldn't even deny it... but alot of recruitment and exposure credits have to be given to the coaches... alot of programs may have the athletes to go D1, jus dont know how or do poorly at gettin them exposure... at Marshall the coaches have nearly perfected the recruiting system... it came to the point where last year college recruiters, sometimes coaches and head coaches, would come in comfortably knowing our coaches by name and face, because they've been there 3 or 4 times and has talked to them almost every week about a kid....

i remember the week after Tyrone Sonier dropped his K-State commitment... i believe i saw the WHOLE Texas Tech coaching staff in the fieldhouse the next week :eek: ... lol... of course they came to see the under classmens off-season workouts before signing day....

Peace

~280~

[Texasfrog]

i wouldn't even deny it... but alot of recruitment and exposure credits have to be given to the coaches... alot of programs may have the athletes to go D1, jus dont know how or do poorly at gettin them exposure...

~280~

No doubt about it. There is many kids across Texas that have the size, speed and ability to play (D-1A) but they get over looked. I think there is many kids in the 2A and 3A ranks each year that get overlooked but they have the ability to play at the (D-1A) level.

It doesnt happen today as much as it did a few years ago because of summer camps and ect that these kids can go to and compete "head to head" with 4A and 5A players and show their skills. But, it still happens some. I do think there is more 2A and 3A kids getting looked at today then ever before and that's mostly because of the summer camps.

It also works the other way. I talked to a college coach (D-1AA) a few years ago about a DB out of a small Texas 3A team that was the area of Tx he scouted. The kid is about (5-10/175/4.5). The (D-1AA) coach told me that he knew the kid and scouted him and the kid didnt have the ability (Size) to play on the (D1-AA) level. I just kind of laughed and said, "OK.":rolleyes: because I know he's team and it had many DB's that were the same size as this kid "But not as fast."

Well, the kid got a few offers but the biggest one he got was to Rice. He took it and did very well at Rice. He started many games for Rice. I only saw him get burned bigtime once at Rice and that was by Wr- Roy Williams (Texas).

Needless to say.. that (D-1AA) coach and the entire staff was "FIRED" the next season when they went like (5-5) for like two seasons straight.

[BigtimeO-line]

because its sad... and thats why i love Texas High School football... its not as tainted as the next level... because once you start noticing the recruiting process in highschool, we see that there's too much politics in college ball, and sometimes not enough "playing" ball... i've seen an athlete get a full scholarship because he had the size... but he SUCKED another kid 2 inches shorter at the same position and was WAY better than him, goes nowhere.... :Censor: ... that pisses me off... or the fact that alot of colleges are after the big time Scrambling QB's, everyone wants a Vince Young now, and QB Cotton Turner gets stuck at Blinn what the :Censor: ... i played against cotton and i'm sorry he was too good of a QB to be at Junior College i don't care if he was slower than me, build a good o-line around him, and he will throw for 3000 yds!!!!!!

~280~

[KT2000]

I'm with you bigtime. I know colleges are after players who fit the template, blueprint, prototype or whatever you want to call it for certain positions. I've heard some come directly out and say they think they can build a good football player if that person has the physical tools to be successful in their eyes. They believe they can coach the football part up. Sometimes that will work, and obviously other times it will not. Personally, give me football players any day of the week even if they don't necessarily fit the particular "mold" of what the so-called prototype is supposed to be. Measurables are very overrated for certain positions. I'd rather have players who possess a natural feel for the game rather than those who only look good in pads.

[mojotrain]

None of the above. D1 players came as a result of winning 79 of 80 games in five years. The Carroll program has been exposed to recruiters more than any other because of how much they've won recently.

Help me, has this been answered? Did a system build the D-1 players or were they just born and then knighted as D-1 players right out of the dilivery room? Silly question? maybe so. I'll respond to any answer.

[4th & short]

The difference between Todd Dodge at Carroll and him at Newman Smith and Cameron is one thing. More talent. Every system is terrrible without talent.

[drgnbkr]

The difference between Todd Dodge at Carroll and him at Newman Smith and Cameron is one thing. More talent. Every system is terrrible without talent.

It is talent and a lot of other things. Phil Rizutto, the old Yankee who just died said that when he was drafted, the minor league organization started teaching him about "being a Yankee'. When he made it to the big team, DiMaggio and others taught him about what it meant to be a Yankee, and how to win. It is that way at Southlake Carroll, and has been since I have been around the program. When a kid starts out in the 7th grade, they begin their indoctrination on what it means to be a Dragon, and when Chase Daniel, Dane Johnson, Kris Brown, Adam Ulatoski and others come back they continue that tradition. It works, so from that standpoint, it is a system thing as much as a talent thing.

[RicosRevenge]

I was surprised to see Colleyville Heritage has 21 players listed on their website as playing D1 Football in the past 5 classes (2003-2007)

Edit... 20, I counted a D2 school

[dragonsdaddy]

The difference between Todd Dodge at Carroll and him at Newman Smith and Cameron is one thing. More talent. Every system is terrrible without talent.

not so much. like any good professional. td learned and improved daily. he created a perfect storm in sl, which took some preparation both before he got here, and for the first 2 years here. when the book is written, you'll see that all the prep was important, and still is. i doubt very seriously that had td gotten the job in sl out of cameron, or n-s, he would have been ready for it.

[CyFalls#1]

I'm with you bigtime. I know colleges are after players who fit the template, blueprint, prototype or whatever you want to call it for certain positions. I've heard some come directly out and say they think they can build a good football player if that person has the physical tools to be successful in their eyes. They believe they can coach the football part up. Personally, give me football players any day of the week even if they don't necessarily fit the particular "mold" of what the so-called prototype is supposed to be. Measurables are very overrated for certain positions. I'd rather have players who possess a natural feel for the game rather than those who only look good in pads.

So true on this. Some schools won't look at OL under 6'3.5 ... or LB's under 6'2" ... or QB's under 6'1" ... are they missing something? IMHO, absolutely. Is Chase Daniel one of the top QBs in the Big 12? Yes. Is he prototypical? No. Is Rashad Bobino at Texas one of the better LB's in the league? Absolutely. Recruiting is inexact, and the things that make some players great (L. Tomlinson, B. Sanders, Drew Brees and those mentioned) aren't necessarily the exterior measurables. Desire, competitiveness, moxie and ability are the "un"measurables teams must look at in recruiting/drafting.

Gotta promote my Eagles - CyFalls has placed 36 players on scholarship in the last 3 years - 15 from last year's State Finalist.

[pack0808]

Lufkin has always been known for producing a lot of top notch div1a talent. They are usually in the top 10 in div1a recruits each year and they have sent a ton to the NFL. They are currently tied for the most again as long as Kiel signs with an NFL team again.