Bonds hits 756

[K-Rock]

Yes!

[jrock210]

I posted on the other site. Hank Aaron made a video passing the torch

[mtbray]

stupid worthless gorilla.......should have done it last night when Lince the magician was pitching!

[Humblefied]

so how many off days do you think he gets?

[Kilt-Boy]

R-a-t B-a-s-t-i-d

[K-Rock]

What a cool moment. I have seen a lot of history in sports. The Bulls, Emmitt Smith, Dan Marino, and many others. Sweet!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Stupid worthless gorilla?! Hmm, it appears - regardless of your anger - that you've just exposed yourself. ;)

[jrock210]

What a cool moment. I have seen a lot of history in sports. The Bulls, Emmitt Smith, Dan Marino, and many others. Sweet!

thanks for mentioning Marino :D lol but my Dad was hoping to see him break it today because he saw Hank break it and now he sees Bonds break the record.

[whs08]

Yes!

say what.

[DrEdward]

755*
756**

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I love to see Barry with the record. Excellent!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

755*
756**

Babe Ruth's (and anyone else before j. robinson came along) entire career*

[whs08]

Did anybody check that pic on espn? The one in his pirates days and the one next to him was his san fran days. Yeah you can tell that hes done roids.:D

[jrock210]

Well Hank is still a big icon on sports history.

[K-Rock]

say what.

You didn't know that I am a huge Bonds fan? I watched him with the Pirates and followed him to the Giants. I have followed his career from the beginning. I have a card from his last year as a Pirate and it's on a plaque with a drawing of him in a Giants uniform. Its from the first year he went to the Giants.

[Pearland Longhorn]

I like to picture everyone that puts an asterisk behind any of bonds numbers as a little 6 year old crying girl pounding away at their keyboard...

[DrEdward]

Babe Ruth's (and anyone else before j. robinson came along) entire career*

Babe did with hot dogs and beer!!! And did it a lot quicker than the others. :D

[Pearland Longhorn]

Babe did with hot dogs and beer!!! And did it a lot quicker than the others. :D

He did it against white players exclusively as well...

[SteerPride09]

When you are juiced its nice!

[Reaganrattler07]

755*
756**

Next Home Run Leader : Alexander Rodriguez - New York Yankees:D

[K-Rock]

This is for all you people crying. Can we put an * by the Cowboys Super Bowls since Michael Irving was using cocaine during his playing days?

[LPMOM]

bonds hits 756
and your point would be?

[K-Rock]

bonds hits 756
and your point would be?

Are you talking to me? Are you following me around and flaming or do you have a constuctive comment?

[GTown02]

This is for all you people crying. Can we put an * by the Cowboys Super Bowls since Michael Irving was using cocaine during his playing days?
I didnt realize cocaine was a performance enhancing drug. :confused:

[MidLineOption73]

Babe Ruth's (and anyone else before j. robinson came along) entire career*

I agree totally!!!

[LPMOM]

Are you talking to me? Are you following me around and flaming or do you have a constuctive comment?

has nothing to do with you. i'm just not impressed with bonds.

[DrEdward]

He did it against white players exclusively as well...

Yes, and there were some pretty good white players as well.

[K-Rock]

I didnt realize cocaine was a performance enhancing drug. :confused:

Cocaine speeds you up and helps block pain. Someone on Cocaine can play harder and longer.

[SteerPride09]

Not a big fan, but he hit it.


Now lets get along with the league!

[Reaganrattler07]

This is for all you people crying. Can we put an * by the Cowboys Super Bowls since Michael Irving was using cocaine during his playing days?

Thats apples and oranges. It didn't "enhance" his play.

Now, I wouldn't mind an * by those Cowboy Superbowls though...(Redskins fan):D

[Pearland Longhorn]

Yes, and there were some pretty good white players as well.

Look at how dominate the black players were when they finally got a chance to play in the MLB...

[DrEdward]

Look at how dominate the black players were when they finally got a chance to play in the MLB...

You're right. Those players like Mantle, Gehrig, Willams and those crummy pitchers like Drysdale, Ford and Kofax would never have amounted to anything. Of course, black players have improved major league baseball.

[SteerPride09]

bonds hits 756
and your point would be?

I agree, there are alot of people who really do not care.

[K-Rock]

Thats apples and oranges. It didn't "enhance" his play.

Now, I wouldn't mind an * by those Cowboy Superbowls though...(Redskins fan):D

How can you say Cocaine doesn't enhance play? It is speed.

[K-Rock]

The greatest danger facing sports ..BY: By Dzulkifli Abdul Razak ..LD: MEDALS - gold, silver or bronze. Medals are what drive the majority of athletes to excel in the Olympics, undeniably the ultimate in the sports world. Some athletes, however, are also.

COPYRIGHT 2004 Financial Times Ltd.

(From New Straits Times (Malaysia))

MEDALS - gold, silver or bronze. Medals are what drive the majority of athletes to excel in the Olympics, undeniably the ultimate in the sports world.

Some athletes, however, are also driven by performance-enhancing drugs, not much different from "Viagra", as an artificial performance-enhancer.

This is another undeniable facet of modern-day Olympics, prompted by hopes of being rich and famous through a disproportionate haul of Olympic medals.

One substance after another has been used to enhance performance, be they vitamins, "alcohol, strychnine, cocaine and sundry, other substances to ease the pain and give them an edge" (Economist, Aug 5).

If these were not enough, more potent substances were introduced, including stimulants, substances that act on the brain to stimulate the body mentally and physically; narcotic analgesic, a strong painkiller; and diuretics that help eliminate fluid from the body.

[mtbray]

I didnt realize cocaine was a performance enhancing drug. :confused:

Ask Jim Cramer.




I hate to give the other side any points, but I couldn't help but take a shot at the guy.

[mtbray]

I highly suggest you folks watch Bob Costas's interview with the guy that invented "The Clear", the orally taken steroid that was undetectable for quite some time. The guy says the steroid doesn't just improve power, but hand eye coordination and could help increase batting average.

He made the analogy of a Lion being in "the zone" as its stalking a deer and has total focus on the kill. He said taking his drug put you in that "zone".

[K-Rock]

I highly suggest you folks watch Bob Costas's interview with the guy that invented "The Clear", the orally taken steroid that was undetectable for quite some time. The guy says the steroid doesn't just improve power, but hand eye coordination and could help increase batting average.

He made the analogy of a Lion being in "the zone" as its stalking a deer and has total focus on the kill. He said taking his drug put you in that "zone".

Yeah, I saw it. Everyone wants to cash in on Bonds.

[GoOwls]

This is for all you people crying. Can we put an * by the Cowboys Super Bowls since Michael Irving was using cocaine during his playing days?

Irvin, Irvin, Irvin.......dang.....Irvin.....not freakin' IRVING.

There is a vast difference between using hallucionogenic drugs in sporting events and using Steroids and HGH to improve athletic performance. Common sense tells you that....use some.

[GoOwls]

How can you say Cocaine doesn't enhance play? It is speed.

It affects the judgement centers of your brain...you know what I mean...right?

[K-Rock]

Irvin, Irvin, Irvin.......dang.....Irvin.....not freakin' IRVING.

There is a vast difference between using hallucionogenic drugs in sporting events and using Steroids and HGH to improve athletic performance. Common sense tells you that....use some.

LOL. I may have missed his name, but I know the drugs. Did you read the article I posted above from a Dr? Do you need me to look up some more?Cocaine is not a hallucionogenic drug. LOL!!!! Wow.

What is the pharmacology of cocaine?

Cocaine has two main pharmacological actions. This drug is a strong CNS stimulant and an effective vasoconstrictor when used as a local anesthetic. "Snorted" cocaine can produce its maximum CNS effects (in doses of 25 to 100 mg) after 15 to 30 minutes. The effects described by Freud included: euphoria, a perceived increase in self control, greater work capacity, perceived long-lasting mental or physical work without fatigue, perceived ability to forego food and sleep; these effects have also been referred to as the "perfect illusion." Cocaine affects the brain by stimulating the release of dopamine and norepinephrine, while also blocking their reuptake. In this way, more catecholamines stimulate the brain to the point of euphoria.

[mtbray]

Yeah, I saw it. Everyone wants to cash in on Bonds.

Say the guy is telling the truth......what the hell do you expect him to say?



Also, what do you make of Schilling's comments about him basically admitting guilt since he never sued the ***** off of anyone who made comments "slandering" him.

[GoOwls]

If Barry Bonds is so pure as the driven snow in this issue, then why is his trainer serving repeated stints in Federal prison for contempt of court related to his testimony about whether Barry used steroids illegally, breaking Federal law?

If there was no wrong doing, there is no reason not to testify and cover something up.

Use that little pebble you kids call a brain and put two and two together for a change and see the light.

Common sense, something very limited on this board, and the ability to follow an evidence trail point to obvious guilt of illegal steriod use by Barry.....forget the MLB stuff. Someday that trainer will get tired of lying for him and Barry will get a Federal grant for a vacation stay at a local federal gray-bar motel.

[K-Rock]

If Barry Bonds is so pure as the driven snow in this issue, then why is his trainer serving repeated stints in Federal prison for contempt of court related to his testimony about whether Barry used steroids illegally, breaking Federal law?

If there was no wrong doing, there is no reason not to testify and cover something up.

Use that little pebble you kids call a brain and put two and two together for a change and see the light.

Common sense, something very limited on this board, and the ability to follow an evidence trail point to obvious guilt of illegal steriod use by Barry.....forget the MLB stuff. Someday that trainer will get tired of lying for him and Barry will get a Federal grant for a vacation stay at a local federal gray-bar motel.

You are mistaking my defense of him with me trying to deny he did drugs. If he did, it wasn't against the rules of baseball. I am trying to say that athletes have been using drugs and performance enhancers since the beginning.

It just seems that now everyone wants to act all self righteous because they don't like Bonds. Big Mac had roids in his locker and everyone loved that guy.

I would rather you people just say you don't like the guy instead of trying to be all righteous over the drugs.

People have been using roids since roids came out. They will continue to do so. You guys would be shocked if we really found out who was on drugs.

[mtbray]

You are mistaking my defense of him with me trying to deny he did drugs. If he did, it wasn't against the rules of baseball. I am trying to say that athletes have been using drugs and performance enhancers since the beginning.

It just seems that now everyone wants to act all self righteous because they don't like Bonds. Big Mac had roids in his locker and everyone loved that guy.

I would rather you people just say you don't like the guy instead of trying to be all righteous over the drugs.

People have been using roids since roids came out. They will continue to do so. You guys would be shocked if we really found out who was on drugs.

I don't like any player who used drugs. In my book, they're just feminine orifices from below the waist.

[Pearland Longhorn]

You are mistaking my defense of him with me trying to deny he did drugs. If he did, it wasn't against the rules of baseball. I am trying to say that athletes have been using drugs and performance enhancers since the beginning.

It just seems that now everyone wants to act all self righteous because they don't like Bonds. Big Mac had roids in his locker and everyone loved that guy.

I would rather you people just say you don't like the guy instead of trying to be all righteous over the drugs.

People have been using roids since roids came out. They will continue to do so. You guys would be shocked if we really found out who was on drugs.


Excactly... In 100 years people won't even care about athletes taking roids because they will become so advanced that the human race will be stupid not to embrace them. Steroids aren't going anywhere. Sorry old timers...

[K-Rock]

I don't like any player who used drugs. In my book, they're just feminine orifices from below the waist.

LOL!! Ok. That would be most of them. Pain killers, shots, roids, and other drugs are all part of the game. Caffeine is a drug. Ever drank a coke before you played? Maybe drank some green tea before lifting? You really think guys don't use drugs to help give them an edge? :rolleyes:

[BAMF cowboy]

Although I do think that Bonds used steroids, let him enjoy it while he can, because the Third Baseman will shatter his record.

[GoOwls]

LOL. I may have missed his name, but I know the drugs. Did you read the article I posted above from a Dr? Do you need me to look up some more?Cocaine is not a hallucionogenic drug. LOL!!!! Wow.

What is the pharmacology of cocaine?

Cocaine has two main pharmacological actions. This drug is a strong CNS stimulant and an effective vasoconstrictor when used as a local anesthetic. "Snorted" cocaine can produce its maximum CNS effects (in doses of 25 to 100 mg) after 15 to 30 minutes. The effects described by Freud included: euphoria, a perceived increase in self control, greater work capacity, perceived long-lasting mental or physical work without fatigue, perceived ability to forego food and sleep; these effects have also been referred to as the "perfect illusion." Cocaine affects the brain by stimulating the release of dopamine and norepinephrine, while also blocking their reuptake. In this way, more catecholamines stimulate the brain to the point of euphoria.


Let's examine "euphoria".

"The feeling of not fearing death nor caring about it. Euphoria is considered to be an exaggerated state, resulting from psychological or pharmacological stressors and not typically achieved during the normal course of human experience. A common theme among a subset of drugs used recreationally is their ability to induce a state of euphoria".

If you are in a drug induced "exaggerated state" from a "pharmacological" induction, "not typically achieved during the normal course of human experience", and "not fearing death nor caring about it", well then it may not be clinically hallucionogenic, but it does a darn fine job of mimicing it and putting a person in a vulnerable state.

Steroids does none of the above, it physically enhances a person.

[mtbray]

LOL!! Ok. That would be most of them. Pain killers, shots, roids, and other drugs are all part of the game. Caffeine is a drug. Ever drank a coke before you played? Maybe drank some green tea before lifting? You really think guys don't use drugs to help give them an edge? :rolleyes:

Let me rephrase, steroids. You're obscuring an already fine line k rock, this thing has limits.

[GoOwls]

You are mistaking my defense of him with me trying to deny he did drugs. If he did, it wasn't against the rules of baseball. I am trying to say that athletes have been using drugs and performance enhancers since the beginning.

It just seems that now everyone wants to act all self righteous because they don't like Bonds. Big Mac had roids in his locker and everyone loved that guy.

I would rather you people just say you don't like the guy instead of trying to be all righteous over the drugs.

People have been using roids since roids came out. They will continue to do so. You guys would be shocked if we really found out who was on drugs.

You also are missing my point. I think Barry should hold the record. You are right that it wasn't against the rules of baseball....and that is something that baseball will have to live with. I don't pay much attention to baseball anymore. I haven't watched more than an inning of a Rangers game at one time this year. Baseball disgusts me with it's tolerance of this type of cheating.

Don't get me wrong, there has been and always will be cheating in baseball, but in the past it was finding ways around the rules, scuffing a ball, the spitter, cutting a ball, loading a bat, etc. It was physically altering the impliments of the game, not altering the people who play the game.

As weird as it sounds, I grew up admiring the guys who could cheat the game by beating the rules. For some reason, Barrys record will never sit right with me because every time he batted, he had an advantage. The other way, it was a selective thing used in special situations.

It just seemed more honorable for some reason.

Either way, I'm out on baseball, except to argue about it.

[lonny23]

Yes!
The guy that gave up the homer is a poster on dallasbasketball.com

[GoOwls]

The guy that gave up the homer is a poster on dallasbasketball.com

He was also an intern at The Ticket in Dallas for the afternoon guys, BaD Radio, for a few months a couple of years ago. I hear him interviewed by them all the time. He's a class act.

[lonny23]

You are mistaking my defense of him with me trying to deny he did drugs. If he did, it wasn't against the rules of baseball. I am trying to say that athletes have been using drugs and performance enhancers since the beginning.

It just seems that now everyone wants to act all self righteous because they don't like Bonds. Big Mac had roids in his locker and everyone loved that guy.

I would rather you people just say you don't like the guy instead of trying to be all righteous over the drugs.

People have been using roids since roids came out. They will continue to do so. You guys would be shocked if we really found out who was on drugs.There are a lot of beloved heroes who are on drugs. Most of the music and entertainment business takes illegal drugs. I figure most of the sports stars do, too. I read one time that NBA players would rather smoke pot than drink because of the different body effects.

[lonny23]

He was also an intern at The Ticket in Dallas for the afternoon guys, BaD Radio, for a few months a couple of years ago. I hear him interviewed by them all the time. He's a class act.
He went to school at Duncanville.

[DiamondJ2]

Rumor has it that Irvin and Bonds are going to open a chain of Drugstores.

[Favpack]

Congrats BB. Long live Hank, but his avatar comes down.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

You're right. Those players like Mantle, Gehrig, Willams and those crummy pitchers like Drysdale, Ford and Kofax would never have amounted to anything. Of course, black players have improved major league baseball.

The point is.. Barry Bonds is looked at as a cheater, by some or a lot. Why? Because he may have benefited from an un-even playing level. Well, if that is the basis of the steroid argument, I would say Babe Ruth (or anyone from his era) may have benefited in the same way.

In the MLB, today, the playing level is filled with the best baseball players in the world. Before J. Robinson, the MLB was filled with the best Non-Colored American players! I'm sorry, I just can't respect that. Don't tell me I can't play because the color of my skin, then ask me to acknowledge records set in that same era, later on. BS! SY!

[Drake]

I'm a much bigger Aaron fan. I don't care for Bonds and never have (even before the allegations).

But you know, a lot of pitchers were using steroids the last 15 years too, which means Bonds faced cheaters as well. Anyone willing to also put asterisks* next to all of Clemens records, or boo him off the stage when he's inducted into the Hall of Fame?

[backthepack]

LOL!! Ok. That would be most of them. Pain killers, shots, roids, and other drugs are all part of the game. Caffeine is a drug. Ever drank a coke before you played? Maybe drank some green tea before lifting? You really think guys don't use drugs to help give them an edge? :rolleyes:

LOL. You didn't just say that.

Welcome to the board.

[SteerPride09]

Bonds wasn't happy when the press was asking him if he did it the legit way.

I thought he was going to jump that desk and hurt someone.

[ktCarl]

He did it against white players exclusively as well...

In the MLB, today, the playing level is filled with the best baseball players in the world. Before J. Robinson, the MLB was filled with the best Non-Colored American players! I'm sorry, I just can't respect that. Don't tell me I can't play because the color of my skin, then ask me to acknowledge records set in that same era, later on. BS! SY!


Some of you guys are racists.

[FeeltheHaka]

LOL. I may have missed his name, but I know the drugs. Did you read the article I posted above from a Dr? Do you need me to look up some more?Cocaine is not a hallucionogenic drug. LOL!!!! Wow.

What is the pharmacology of cocaine?

Cocaine has two main pharmacological actions. This drug is a strong CNS stimulant and an effective vasoconstrictor when used as a local anesthetic. "Snorted" cocaine can produce its maximum CNS effects (in doses of 25 to 100 mg) after 15 to 30 minutes. The effects described by Freud included: euphoria, a perceived increase in self control, greater work capacity, perceived long-lasting mental or physical work without fatigue, perceived ability to forego food and sleep; these effects have also been referred to as the "perfect illusion." Cocaine affects the brain by stimulating the release of dopamine and norepinephrine, while also blocking their reuptake. In this way, more catecholamines stimulate the brain to the point of euphoria.

Cocaine does not give you near the advantage of steroids. Cocaine does not help your body recover between workouts. Cocaine can actually prolong recovery. Steroids give you the above mental advantages, as well as the muscular advantages. You can't compare the two. Cocaine can also give one a huge feeling of paranoia, and have the opposite affect.

[FeeltheHaka]

I'm a much bigger Aaron fan. I don't care for Bonds and never have (even before the allegations).

But you know, a lot of pitchers were using steroids the last 15 years too, which means Bonds faced cheaters as well. Anyone willing to also put asterisks* next to all of Clemens records, or boo him off the stage when he's inducted into the Hall of Fame?

I am with you on this one. Barry Bond's pouty attitude along with his known tantrums have not been very becoming.

Hank Aaron on the other hand had to endure much more in the way of death threats, and racial taunting and other prejudices. To me, the record still belongs to Hank Aaron.

As far as pitchers using steroids; I saw a show on TV, and they talked about pitchers and steroids, and basically said that steroids can actually hurt a pitcher. They explained that steroids can tear a pitcher's rotator cuff very quickly. This is very plausible, because steroids improve muscular strength; but do not improve the strength of ligaments and tendons. Very often there are athletes who are injured due to their muscles being too strong for their ligaments and/or tendons. The show also mentioned that if a pitcher took steroids, it could affect the control of the ball. This is also plausible, because I know that good pitcher is not necessarily a fast pitcher; but, how well a pitcher is able to control the speed of the ball. A good friend of mine used to pitch for the St. Louis Cardinals, and I'll have to ask him about pitchers and steroids. You don't exactly see pitchers with the tell tale signs of steroid abuse. There is no way anyone can tell me that Greg Maddux used steroids.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Cocaine does not give you near the advantage of steroids. Cocaine does not help your body recover between workouts. Cocaine can actually prolong recovery. Steroids give you the above mental advantages, as well as the muscular advantages. You can't compare the two. Cocaine can also give one a huge feeling of paranoia, and have the opposite affect.

That's BS hearsay, from a lying chemist who was once producing illegal drugs! Above mental advantages? Are you f'n kidding me? What will we see next, little Elementary kids popping steroids so that they can be smarter for the National Spelling Bee?

Simple fact of the matter is this... we will NEVER know who did what. To Selig I say, "Was your hands in your pocket when these so-called steroid homerun hitters were launching baseballs out of parks, and your League was benefiting from it?!!" (Yeah... didn't think so!;) )

[ktCarl]

That's BS hearsay, from a lying chemist who was once producing illegal drugs! Above mental advantages? Are you f'n kidding me? What will we see next, little Elementary kids popping steroids so that they can be smarter for the National Spelling Bee?

Simple fact of the matter is this... we will NEVER know who did what. To Selig I say, "Was your hands in your pocket when these so-called steroid homerun hitters were launching baseballs out of parks, and your League was benefiting from it?!!" (Yeah... didn't think so!;) )

I'm one for anyone to break a sporting record while I'm alive and can witness it. Could Bonds be a better rep for the League? Probably, but he still hit it out 756 times and that has to be recognized regardless. Don't talk about the steroid usage being heresay. Follow his batting avg., slugging %, and frequency of homeruns after his prime and during the period in question of his 'sports enhancement' usage.

[SteerPride09]

I agree my friend, Selig knows that bonds is fake!

[slorch]

I'm one for anyone to break a sporting record while I'm alive and can witness it. Could Bonds be a better rep for the League? Probably, but he still hit it out 756 times and that has to be recognized regardless. Don't talk about the steroid usage being heresay. Follow his batting avg., slugging %, and frequency of homeruns after his prime and during the period in question of his 'sports enhancement' usage.

yep and Jeff George could throw the football out of the stadium, but alienated every team and fanbase he played for.

[whs08]

LOL. You didn't just say that.

Welcome to the board.

Actually shouldn't it be............ welcome to the board backthepack.:D

[whs08]

That's BS hearsay, from a lying chemist who was once producing illegal drugs! Above mental advantages? Are you f'n kidding me? What will we see next, little Elementary kids popping steroids so that they can be smarter for the National Spelling Bee?

Simple fact of the matter is this... we will NEVER know who did what. To Selig I say, "Was your hands in your pocket when these so-called steroid homerun hitters were launching baseballs out of parks, and your League was benefiting from it?!!" (Yeah... didn't think so!;) )

Don't worry about it, the guy dosent know what hes talking about. The guy in his mind still believes that Hank Aaron holds the record.:D

[whs08]

I am with you on this one. Barry Bond's pouty attitude along with his known tantrums have not been very becoming.

Hank Aaron on the other hand had to endure much more in the way of death threats, and racial taunting and other prejudices. To me, the record still belongs to Hank Aaron.

As far as pitchers using steroids; I saw a show on TV, and they talked about pitchers and steroids, and basically said that steroids can actually hurt a pitcher. They explained that steroids can tear a pitcher's rotator cuff very quickly. This is very plausible, because steroids improve muscular strength; but do not improve the strength of ligaments and tendons. Very often there are athletes who are injured due to their muscles being too strong for their ligaments and/or tendons. The show also mentioned that if a pitcher took steroids, it could affect the control of the ball. This is also plausible, because I know that good pitcher is not necessarily a fast pitcher; but, how well a pitcher is able to control the speed of the ball. A good friend of mine used to pitch for the St. Louis Cardinals, and I'll have to ask him about pitchers and steroids. You don't exactly see pitchers with the tell tale signs of steroid abuse. There is no way anyone can tell me that Greg Maddux used steroids.

Well it dosent, and thats something that your going to have to live with.

[FeeltheHaka]

Don't worry about it, the guy dosent know what hes talking about. The guy in his mind still believes that Hank Aaron holds the record.:D

Trust me on this one, I do know what I am talking about. Talk to anyone who has used them and then tell me that steroids don't; quote, "The effects described by Freud included: euphoria, a perceived increase in self control, greater work capacity, perceived long-lasting mental or physical work without fatigue, perceived ability to forego food and sleep; these effects have also been referred to as the "perfect illusion." If you don't think steroids affect one mentally, then why does one have roid rage? And yes, to me in my mind is what matters. In my mind, Roger Maris still holds the single season Home run record. Mcguire is another cheater.

[Dawg Fan]

I am not a Bonds fan but he broke the record and if anything he did was against the rules he should have the record stripped from him. They haven't been able to prove he broke the rules so the record belongs to him, plain and simple.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Trust me on this one, I do know what I am talking about. Talk to anyone who has used them and then tell me that steroids don't; quote, "The effects described by Freud included: euphoria, a perceived increase in self control, greater work capacity, perceived long-lasting mental or physical work without fatigue, perceived ability to forego food and sleep; these effects have also been referred to as the "perfect illusion." If you don't think steroids affect one mentally, then why does one have roid rage? And yes, to me in my mind is what matters. In my mind, Roger Maris still holds the single season Home run record. Mcguire is another cheater.

I will tell you, with 1,000,000% certainty, steroids do not give you "above mental advantages". And... "roid rage" isn't an "above mental advantage". If anything, "roid rage" is the most over-used excuse to beat the crud out of someone or something. If people knew the TRUTH about steroids (and what they do) this whole Steroid-Era crap would be the equivalent of Amber (on Big Brother) constantly crying.:D

The notion that steroids can mentally make an athlete better, technically, is just plain silly. That chemist was just blowing hot air... while tooting his own horn. To think, if he hadn't been caught he would still be producing illegal drugs. Yeah, I'm gonna believe him.:rolleyes:

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I am not a Bonds fan but he broke the record and if anything he did was against the rules he should have the record stripped from him. They haven't been able to prove he broke the rules so the record belongs to him, plain and simple.

Plain and simple. ;)

[K-Rock]

Listen guys. My ethics are not situational. You guys say some drugs are worse than others and it's ok if a player took this substance, just not that one. I am not that way.

My point is that players have been using drugs(of all sorts) for years. Farve started all those games, but how many would he have missed if he weren't full of pain killers? Lance Armstrong never failed a test, but most believe he took roids as well. If not roids, then some other form of enhancement. How many lineman get shots at halftime to stay in the game? Would Emmitt have the record if his OL weren't doing all they could do to stay in the game? I am not attacking Emmitt, Favre, or anyone else. I am just saying that drugs of some sort have always been a part of sports. It is really naive to think that they haven't.

Its just funny to me that some drugs are ok, but some aren't. MLB wasn't testing because they knew they had players on roids. MANY players in the league took roids. Not just Bonds.

If you want to peel back the facade of professional sports, you will find that players, teams, and leagues have a win at all cost attitude. Many years ago, the country was simple and really believed in the honor of sports and competition. Maybe it was there then, but with millions and millions of dollars involved today, it is incredibly naive to think that the same level of honor exist.

That is why I love the movie Any Given Sunday. I think it exposes what the world of professional sports really looks like.

[twcpfan1]

That is why I love the movie Any Given Sunday. I think it exposes what the world of professional sports really looks like.

It would be great if every owner looked like Cameron Diaz.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Listen guys. My ethics are not situational. You guys say some drugs are worse than others and it's ok if a player took this substance, just not that one. I am not that way.

My point is that players have been using drugs(of all sorts) for years. Farve started all those games, but how many would he have missed if he weren't full of pain killers? Lance Armstrong never failed a test, but most believe he took roids as well. If not roids, then some other form of enhancement. How many lineman get shots at halftime to stay in the game? Would Emmitt have the record if his OL weren't doing all they could do to stay in the game? I am not attacking Emmitt, Favre, or anyone else. I am just saying that drugs of some sort have always been a part of sports. It is really naive to think that they haven't.

Its just funny to me that some drugs are ok, but some aren't. MLB wasn't testing because they knew they had players on roids. MANY players in the league took roids. Not just Bonds.

If you want to peel back the facade of professional sports, you will find that players, teams, and leagues have a win at all cost attitude. Many years ago, the country was simple and really believed in the honor of sports and compitition. Maybe it was there then, but with millions and millions of dollars involved today, it is incredibly naive to think that the same level of honor exist.

That is why I love the movie Any Given Sunday. I think it exposes what the world of professional sports really looks like.

If the casual fan knew what the world of professional sports really looked like they would never watch a professional sporting event again.

[lonny23]

If the casual fan knew what the world of professional sports really looked like they would never watch a professional sporting event again.
It's not like college is legit either. I read an article today about how Arkansas was black-balling a kid for NOT talking steroids. They said he wasn't big enough to play in the SEC.

[K-Rock]

If the casual fan knew what the world of professional sports really looked like they would never watch a professional sporting event again.

People like to glamorize and romanticize sports. Like the movie Gladiator did with the "games" in Rome. When you see it for what it is, it is not glamorous or beautiful in the way others think. It is dirty, gritty, painful, and ugly, and that is what makes it beautiful. (It's hard to explain) It is beautiful, just not in the way most people try to romanticize it.

That is why players consider themselves a fraternity. Other athletes are the only ones who REALLY understand the world in which they live. I don't pretend to understand, I'm just not naive about it either.

[dragonsdaddy]

Next Home Run Leader : Alexander Rodriguez - New York Yankees:D

it'll be the only time i may cheer for afraud.

[dragonsdaddy]

How can you say Cocaine doesn't enhance play? It is speed.

you need to refresh your drug knowledge. meth is speed. coke is used in medical offices and surgical suites to anesthetize mucous membranes prior to ent surgeries. it might be somewhat helpful in a short-term sutuation.

[dragonsdaddy]

coincidentally, bassik's dad pitched to the aaron at 755 and got him out. what are the odds?

[whs08]

it'll be the only time i may cheer for afraud.

:confused:

[K-Rock]

you need to refresh your drug knowledge. meth is speed. coke is used in medical offices and surgical suites to anesthetize mucous membranes prior to ent surgeries. it might be somewhat helpful in a short-term sutuation.

LOL!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thank you. If you even knew anything about me you would know how funny that is. :D :D

I have enough drug knowledge to last me a lifetime. Thanks to the Lord Jesus Christ my studies in that department are over.

I'll let you experts debate what drugs do to a person.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

People like to glamorize and romanticize sports. Like the movie Gladiator did with the "games" in Rome. When you see it for what it is, it is not glamorous or beautiful in the way others think. It is dirty, gritty, painful, and ugly, and that is what makes it beautiful. (It's hard to explain) It is beautiful, just not in the way most people try to romanticize it.

That is why players consider themselves a fraternity. Other athletes are the only ones who REALLY understand the world in which they live. I don't pretend to understand, I'm just not naive about it either.


Good point!;)

[FeeltheHaka]

Listen guys. My ethics are not situational. You guys say some drugs are worse than others and it's ok if a player took this substance, just not that one. I am not that way.

My point is that players have been using drugs(of all sorts) for years. Farve started all those games, but how many would he have missed if he weren't full of pain killers? Lance Armstrong never failed a test, but most believe he took roids as well. If not roids, then some other form of enhancement. How many lineman get shots at halftime to stay in the game? Would Emmitt have the record if his OL weren't doing all they could do to stay in the game? I am not attacking Emmitt, Favre, or anyone else. I am just saying that drugs of some sort have always been a part of sports. It is really naive to think that they haven't.

Its just funny to me that some drugs are ok, but some aren't. MLB wasn't testing because they knew they had players on roids. MANY players in the league took roids. Not just Bonds.

If you want to peel back the facade of professional sports, you will find that players, teams, and leagues have a win at all cost attitude. Many years ago, the country was simple and really believed in the honor of sports and competition. Maybe it was there then, but with millions and millions of dollars involved today, it is incredibly naive to think that the same level of honor exist.

That is why I love the movie Any Given Sunday. I think it exposes what the world of professional sports really looks like.

KRock, good post. And, it does sort of make me rethink things. I do however think that there are levels of cheating, and steroids are one of the highest levels. But, this attitude in professional sports is the reason why I now enjoy high school sports, and I am no longer impressed with professional sports and/or professional athletes.

[K-Rock]

KRock, good post. And, it does sort of make me rethink things. I do however think that there are levels of cheating, and steroids are one of the highest levels. But, this attitude in professional sports is the reason why I now enjoy high school sports, and I am no longer impressed with professional sports and/or professional athletes.

There were guys taking roids on my high school team. My high school coach encouraged supplement use and even told us what to buy. I took some amino acids, but that was about it. (I didn't have money)

Oh yeah... I went to Diboll, a little 3A program. Not some powerhouse 5A program. Drugs are everywhere!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

KRock, good post. And, it does sort of make me rethink things. I do however think that there are levels of cheating, and steroids are one of the highest levels. But, this attitude in professional sports is the reason why I now enjoy high school sports, and I am no longer impressed with professional sports and/or professional athletes.

It takes so much more than a "needle in the butt" to get to the professional level, especially in the NFL. For every Romanowski, there are 30 other LB's, who do it naturally. These guys train themselves (technique-wise, pure athletic-wise, film-knowledge etc..), 20 hrs a day. (Trust me!) The amount of things they sacrifice is overwhelming. (From food, everyday life, sex, family-time, mental and emotional relaxation etc..) The body-aching and pain are another treat of the world of professional sports. Then there is the daily grind, everyday, of throwing this all together... from the age of 7, 8 or 9 to the age of (sometimes) 35 or 36. (Maybe longer.) The best part is the loss of memory and the future physical ailments.

No... there's no need to give up hope of the professional sports world. As is the case, when most non-athletes see an NFL player (during or after a craeer), your eyes can be decieving.

[mtbray]

I'm a much bigger Aaron fan. I don't care for Bonds and never have (even before the allegations).

But you know, a lot of pitchers were using steroids the last 15 years too, which means Bonds faced cheaters as well. Anyone willing to also put asterisks* next to all of Clemens records, or boo him off the stage when he's inducted into the Hall of Fame?

Hell yes. I have allegiance to no team, so bring on the booing.

[TexasRed6x]

757 in McCovey cove. :D

[F18mustang]

He hit another? Wow, he ment when he said he would hit better!

[whs08]

757 in McCovey cove. :D

God your good, I was about to mention that.:mad:

[whs08]

The guy who caught Bonds 756 was wearing a Mets jersey.:eek:

[TexasRed6x]

God your good, I was about to mention that.:mad:

oops....sorry. :D

[GoOwls]

That's BS hearsay, from a lying chemist who was once producing illegal drugs! Above mental advantages? Are you f'n kidding me? What will we see next, little Elementary kids popping steroids so that they can be smarter for the National Spelling Bee?

Simple fact of the matter is this... we will NEVER know who did what. To Selig I say, "Was your hands in your pocket when these so-called steroid homerun hitters were launching baseballs out of parks, and your League was benefiting from it?!!" (Yeah... didn't think so!;) )


We know there is a dude that keeps going to federal prison for not testifying about Barrys knowledge of the Balco stuff. I would assume that if there was no wrong doing, that there would be no reason for him to continue to not testify and tell the truth. Also if telling the truth is so bad, Barry probably doesn't want the truth out. This guy will crack some day and the genie will get out of the bottle.

You apologists can keep making excuses and reasons and drum up technicalities till you are blue in the face, but it doesn't take rocket science to see the handwriting on the wall.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

We know there is a dude that keeps going to federal prison for not testifying about Barrys knowledge of the Balco stuff. I would assume that if there was no wrong doing, that there would be no reason for him to continue to not testify and tell the truth. Also if telling the truth is so bad, Barry probably doesn't want the truth out. This guy will crack some day and the genie will get out of the bottle.

You apologists can keep making excuses and reasons and drum up technicalities till you are blue in the face, but it doesn't take rocket science to see the handwriting on the wall.

Opinion. As I stated before, no one will knows who did what.