If SLC would've lost to LP, the defending State Champs in 2002???

[pack75]

2002, LP vs. SLC / Defending State Champs vs. 5A Newcomers. Was this game the game that gave SLC the confidence that they could be a top contender in 5A? If LP would've won, what would LP's legacy look like at this time...on the other hand, what would SLC's legacy look like at this time? This is how the idea of this thread came about:

There was a thread about this very subject a few months ago - but that does not mean we cannot discuss agaoin - right? - One of mine is Southlake Carroll's first season in 5A vs Lufkin, who were the reigning state champions at that time. The Dragons were losing 30-14 going into the 4th quarter and responded with 19 unanswered points. Lufkin were winning at half time 20-14 and went further ahead to 30-14, scoring off 2 Chase Wasson (now at OU) interceptions.

In the 19 points scored by Southlake was a 2-point conversation catch by Chase Daniel, (who went onto play QB and win state in 2004 and now QB at Missou). In addition, one Scott Chandler (now San deigo Chargers) caught a TD pass. With the score tied 30-30, the climax to the game was an Aron Morgan interception ran back for 49 yards to the Lufkin 2 yards line, resulting in a Garrett Hartley (now OU) field goal to win the game.

Speaking of this game, I do recall there was a VERY controversial TD or 2pt. catch that was made by SLC. One ref signaled incomplete while the other ref signaled complete. IMO, it was clearly incomplete. Seriously, go look back at the film if anyone has it and you'll see what a lot of others in the stands saw that day, even some honest fans from SLC. What made it even worse was they showed it on the replay screen at Waco ISD. The WR clearly did not have control of the ball. But hey, what the heck, that's history. It was still a great game and effort from both teams.

YES Pack, it was controversial. Chandler had both hands on the ball(control), and 1 foot on the ground(he was 6'6"). The Lufkin D-Back swatted the ball before his second foot came down. I was standing on the side of the end zone(10 feet from them). It was a touchdown. I announced this somewhat quietly, as I was surrounded by 2-300 Lufkin Fans...Actually very quietly:)
Lufkin fans are class people,,,BUT as an opposing fan, under these conditions should know the limitations,,,the key is celebrate quietly:)

Let's keep the comments clean guys.;) Fire away!

[drgnbkr]

To me, the first confidence builder in 02 was beating Abilene Cooper at Shotwell. They were nationally ranked and Carroll mauled them at their house. Lufkin was the affirmation that they could get r' done.

[BigFanSLC]

i would say before the Cooper game.... the Sam Houston game really opened up our eyes and made us realize nothing was going to be handed to us easily... but beating Cooper really gave us that mental confidence and edge, even at halftime of Lufkin there was noone in the locker room with their heads down thinking the game was over.... and the rest is history

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

i would say before the Cooper game.... the Sam Houston game really opened up our eyes and made us realize nothing was going to be handed to us easily... but beating Cooper really gave us that mental confidence and edge, even at halftime of Lufkin there was noone in the locker room with their heads down thinking the game was over.... and the rest is history

That Sam Houston game helped the Dragons out quite a bit. I don't think I've seen a team's offense just move up and down the field against the Dragons the way the Texans did.

[Maxthedog]

I agree with Dbkr beating Abbylean was a serious step,,,
AND Matthew, made me re-live the horror of watch S Houston march UP and DOWN the field,,,Eeeeeeekk

BUT I have to think how the win over the Mighty Lufkin Panthers was accomplished, the sheer determination of the will to win,,,yes that was a Major hurdle,,,MAJOR.

OBTW, that Lufkin/SLC game was one of the hardest hitting games I have ever seen(Compariable the SLC/Trinity). Neither SLC or Lufkin slowed down al all thru the entire game(like the Garland/CH game).

I LOVE TEXAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rich_pack]

I would say it happened before that meeting, They were on a roll coming into 5a already. Lufkin and SLC fans are the best and I think both of them look forward to playing against each other just for the hype and atmosphere and great football.

[pack75]

I agree with Dbkr beating Abbylean was a serious step,,,
AND Matthew, made me re-live the horror of watch S Houston march UP and DOWN the field,,,Eeeeeeekk

BUT I have to think how the win over the Mighty Lufkin Panthers was accomplished, the sheer determination of the will to win,,,yes that was a Major hurdle,,,MAJOR.

OBTW, that Lufkin/SLC game was one of the hardest hitting games I have ever seen(Compariable the SLC/Trinity). Neither SLC or Lufkin slowed down al all thru the entire game(like the Garland/CH game).

I LOVE TEXAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love when Lufkin & SLC meet with each other...great game to watch. I just wonder if Lufkin would've beaten SLC in 2002, what would be the story of each of these two teams? That Todd Dodge was one heck of a coach for SLC. It seems that when these two met, LP would simply gets out-coached...maybe that's how everyone else in 5A feels as well.:D

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I agree with Dbkr beating Abbylean was a serious step,,,
AND Matthew, made me re-live the horror of watch S Houston march UP and DOWN the field,,,Eeeeeeekk

BUT I have to think how the win over the Mighty Lufkin Panthers was accomplished, the sheer determination of the will to win,,,yes that was a Major hurdle,,,MAJOR.

OBTW, that Lufkin/SLC game was one of the hardest hitting games I have ever seen(Compariable the SLC/Trinity). Neither SLC or Lufkin slowed down al all thru the entire game(like the Garland/CH game).

I LOVE TEXAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!

One more game from the 2002 playoffs!

The Arlington Colts led the Dragons 28-7 at one point, and the Dragons went on a 45-5 scoring run to win 52-33. I believe it was 28-7 at the half.

[pack75]

I would say it happened before that meeting, They were on a roll coming into 5a already. Lufkin and SLC fans are the best and I think both of them look forward to playing against each other just for the hype and atmosphere and great football.

You're right about that. But the last time Lufkin and SLC played in Nac at Homer Bryce...was it just me or did it seem that a lot of the SLC fans did not show up?:confused: Can anyone from SLC explain that situation? Because I've seen in the past that SLC will pack the house.

[KLH75287]

To me, the first confidence builder in 02 was beating Abilene Cooper at Shotwell. They were nationally ranked and Carroll mauled them at their house. Lufkin was the affirmation that they could get r' done.

I agree.... I know this was the game that made me a believer that The Dragons had moved to 5A and were ready to play with anybody.

[pack75]

One more game from the 2002 playoffs!

The Arlington Colts led the Dragons 28-7 at one point, and the Dragons went on a 45-5 scoring run to win 52-33. I believe it was 28-7 at the half.

:eek: ! Who was the QB for SLC at the time?

[SLCDad]

:eek: ! Who was the QB for SLC at the time?Chase Wasson. Son of the new SLC coach.

[KLH75287]

:eek: ! Who was the QB for SLC at the time?

Wasson

[SLCDad]

You're right about that. But the last time Lufkin and SLC played in Nac at Homer Bryce...was it just me or did it seem that a lot of the SLC fans did not show up?:confused: Can anyone from SLC explain that situation? Because I've seen in the past that SLC will pack the house.

There was a threat of bad and/or cold weather. The stadium wasn't overly large and SLC had been drawing large crowds at Texas Stadium. I think a lot of SLC fans didn't want to risk having to sit on the wet cold grass for the game. As it turned out the weather was fine and there were plenty of seats on the SLC side because people stayed home.

By the way, thanks to Lufkin for providing streaming video so we can watch the game over again.

[pack75]

Chase Wasson. Son of the new SLC coach.

Wasson

Thanks.:) Is Wasson playing any college ball?

[pack75]

There was a threat of bad and/or cold weather. The stadium wasn't overly large and SLC had been drawing large crowds at Texas Stadium. I think a lot of SLC fans didn't want to risk having to sit on the wet cold grass for the game. As it turned out the weather was fine and there were plenty of seats on the SLC side because people stayed home.

By the way, thanks to Lufkin for providing streaming video so we can watch the game over again.

Thanks for the explanation. But man that's surprising to hear though. Not bragging or anything, but the Panther Nation (LP Fans), whom I love, would not miss a playoff game if there was a threat of a hurricane.:p

[drgnbkr]

Thanks.:) Is Wasson playing any college ball?

OU

[drgnbkr]

One more game from the 2002 playoffs!

The Arlington Colts led the Dragons 28-7 at one point, and the Dragons went on a 45-5 scoring run to win 52-33. I believe it was 28-7 at the half.

At Dragon Stadium!.....:eek: Preposterous! I was in Cozumel at the time and listened on the internet..It seemed like that halftime took a week....:D

[pack75]

OU


Thanks. I don't know too much about OU, but he should be starting this year, right?

[drgnbkr]

Thanks. I don't know too much about OU, but he should be starting this year, right?

Probably not..he trasferred for his last season and is hoping to play.

[big red & cujo]

IMO,the 2002 and 2003 teams were the best lufkin has ever had.

[DragonFan0316]

I remember the day well. It was probably the best HS football game I have ever seen. Lufkin may still be on a winning streak if not for SLC. They are the Affirmed and Alydard of Texas 5A football in the new millinium. Maybe the Broncos and Browns are a better comparison but y'all get my meaning. Great football. Lufkin is a great program.:)

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

:eek: ! Who was the QB for SLC at the time?

Chase Wasson!

My cousin that played for Sam Houston, and I, were at that game.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

At Dragon Stadium!.....:eek: Preposterous! I was in Cozumel at the time and listened on the internet..It seemed like that halftime took a week....:D

Now that I remember, that was a long halftime.

[BigFanSLC]

that halftime was all about stopping the RB streak out of the backfield... thats how they scored on us so easily.... after we did that Arlington was shut down... i cant remember their RB's name but he was a spinning fool

[Maxthedog]

Pack, remember it was a 3.5 hour drive from SLC to Nac. You will lose a % there. The town of Lufkin is quite a bit larger than Southlake, so Lufkin has more fans in general. Yes, I suspect there were a % of SLC fans that didn't want to make that drive( I will not excuse them under any circumstances):)

Lufkin had to travel, what 30 min,,,,there was a % of Lufkin fans that went to the Nac game because it was so close, that would not travel 3.5 hours away.

With that being said, the number of SLC fans at Waco for the first 2 battles was a good turnout for a small town like Southlake and YES Lufkin does move a large crowd(impressive) on away games. Some damn good people might I add. I have sat on the Lufkin side(with a SLC hat), when the Panthers were playing other teams. Yes, I caught some good natured flack,,actually ALOT of good natured flack:)

If you were at the Arlington/SLC game, you remember how it turned very very nasty. Arlington coach(little peach) lost control of his team.

[dragonsdaddy]

good natured flack:)

If you were at the Arlington/SLC game, you remember how it turned very very nasty. Arlington coach(little peach) lost control of his team.

that would be arlingtonII. finley was the coach in 02.

[Maxthedog]

Correctamundo DD!
I stand corrected.

The memory thing DD,,,ya know,,,,
old age is one hell'ova price to pay for wisdom:(

[pack75]

IMO,the 2002 and 2003 teams were the best lufkin has ever had.

Let me guess...because Tyler Lee beat them 3 times in those 2 years.:rolleyes:

[dragonsdaddy]

Let me guess...because Tyler Lee beat them 3 times in those 2 years.:rolleyes:

i didn't see the 01 team, but based on the title, i'd vote for them.

[farmerfan]

that halftime was all about stopping the RB streak out of the backfield... thats how they scored on us so easily.... after we did that Arlington was shut down... i cant remember their RB's name but he was a spinning fool

That would be Gary Porter. He was a stud. I don't remember the Halftime score being 28-7. I remember Arlington jumped out to a 21-7 lead and led I believe 28-17 at the half. The way the Colts taunted Carroll in pregame was stupid. Running through the sign and then going directly to midfield and taunting the Carroll sideline. I remember Chandle making an unbelievable diving catch on the Carroll sideline that led to a score. Joe Jon was basicly ineffective compared to the way he had preformed the rest of the playoffs and I credit that to the Carroll D. They took Joe Jon out of his game and you could tell as the minutes went by he was growing more andm ore frustrated.
O what a wonderful game. My favorite memory of that game was a certain Carroll basketball player who walked right in front of me and literally made me drop my drink and take my attention away from the game for about 20 minutes.

[dragonsdaddy]

That would be Gary Porter. He was a stud. I don't remember the Halftime score being 28-7. I remember Arlington jumped out to a 21-7 lead and led I believe 28-17 at the half. The way the Colts taunted Carroll in pregame was stupid. Running through the sign and then going directly to midfield and taunting the Carroll sideline. I remember Chandle making an unbelievable diving catch on the Carroll sideline that led to a score. Joe Jon was basicly ineffective compared to the way he had preformed the rest of the playoffs and I credit that to the Carroll D. They took Joe Jon out of his game and you could tell as the minutes went by he was growing more andm ore frustrated.
O what a wonderful game. My favorite memory of that game was a certain Carroll basketball player who walked right in front of me and literally made me drop my drink and take my attention away from the game for about 20 minutes.i'm thinking i know of whom you drool.

[farmerfan]

i'm thinking i know of whom you drool.

;) indeed you do :D

[Southlakehawk]

That would be Gary Porter. He was a stud. I don't remember the Halftime score being 28-7. I remember Arlington jumped out to a 21-7 lead and led I believe 28-17 at the half. The way the Colts taunted Carroll in pregame was stupid. Running through the sign and then going directly to midfield and taunting the Carroll sideline. I remember Chandle making an unbelievable diving catch on the Carroll sideline that led to a score. Joe Jon was basicly ineffective compared to the way he had preformed the rest of the playoffs and I credit that to the Carroll D. They took Joe Jon out of his game and you could tell as the minutes went by he was growing more andm ore frustrated.
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This is correct. It was 28-17 Arlington at the half. Their biggest lead was 21-7. I remember walking across the field after the game was over and I came up on some Dragon Coaches & Panther Coaches were exchanging tapes.Them coaches were prepping for a game of the ages.:D

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

That would be Gary Porter. He was a stud. I don't remember the Halftime score being 28-7. I remember Arlington jumped out to a 21-7 lead and led I believe 28-17 at the half. The way the Colts taunted Carroll in pregame was stupid. Running through the sign and then going directly to midfield and taunting the Carroll sideline. I remember Chandle making an unbelievable diving catch on the Carroll sideline that led to a score. Joe Jon was basicly ineffective compared to the way he had preformed the rest of the playoffs and I credit that to the Carroll D. They took Joe Jon out of his game and you could tell as the minutes went by he was growing more andm ore frustrated.
O what a wonderful game. My favorite memory of that game was a certain Carroll basketball player who walked right in front of me and literally made me drop my drink and take my attention away from the game for about 20 minutes.

Farmer, you are correct! It was 28-17 at the half!

To beat Arlington, all you had to do was stop them from running the option. That was their bread and butter, and if you were to let Porter get the slightest crease, he was gone!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Pack, remember it was a 3.5 hour drive from SLC to Nac. You will lose a % there. The town of Lufkin is quite a bit larger than Southlake, so Lufkin has more fans in general. Yes, I suspect there were a % of SLC fans that didn't want to make that drive( I will not excuse them under any circumstances):)

Lufkin had to travel, what 30 min,,,,there was a % of Lufkin fans that went to the Nac game because it was so close, that would not travel 3.5 hours away.

With that being said, the number of SLC fans at Waco for the first 2 battles was a good turnout for a small town like Southlake and YES Lufkin does move a large crowd(impressive) on away games. Some damn good people might I add. I have sat on the Lufkin side(with a SLC hat), when the Panthers were playing other teams. Yes, I caught some good natured flack,,actually ALOT of good natured flack:)

If you were at the Arlington/SLC game, you remember how it turned very very nasty. Arlington coach(little peach) lost control of his team.

"Little" Peach wasn't the coach at the time, former-Cuero Gobbler head coach Mickey Finley was the Arlington High coach at the time. "Little" Peach was the offensive coordinator at Sam Houston at the time. "Little" Peach didn't get to Arlington High until the 2003 season.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

that would be arlingtonII. finley was the coach in 02.

Oops! You beat me to it, sorry!

[DrEdward]

You're right about that. But the last time Lufkin and SLC played in Nac at Homer Bryce...was it just me or did it seem that a lot of the SLC fans did not show up?:confused: Can anyone from SLC explain that situation? Because I've seen in the past that SLC will pack the house.

It was indeed a very poor showing on the part of Carroll fans. There were rumors spread before the game that there would not be enough seating available on the visitor side. (Simple solution - get there early.) The parking would be lousy and inadequate with school in session. (True - see simple solution above.) It was a three and a half hour drive from Southlake. (So what? Lubbock and Odessa are both farther and so is San Antonio. I agree that driving acorss Dallas is a pain in the butt, so leave yourself time, get your butt in gear and go support the home town kids.) Fact is, there are no good answers for why Carroll fans failed to show up in the usual numbers to see their team play.

[drgnbkr]

"Little" Peach wasn't the coach at the time, former-Cuero Gobbler head coach Mickey Finley was the Arlington High coach at the time. "Little" Peach was the offensive coordinator at Sam Houston at the time. "Little" Peach didn't get to Arlington High until the 2003 season.

Joe Jon Finley, coaches son, TE at OU currently, was the QB for Arlington. Carroll beat the elder Finley and older son, Clint - {Nebraska} when both were at Cuero in 93.... 13-6 for the state title at the Floyd at Waco.

[charlesrixey]

Probably not..he trasferred for his last season and is hoping to play.

He will have to sit out a year, but he must feel fairly good about his chances at winning the starting job in 08'

[DrEdward]

He will have to sit out a year, but he must feel fairly good about his chances at winning the starting job in 08'

Chase does not have to sit out a year at OU, as he received a waiver from the NCAA. He finished his degree program at Texas State and has enrolled in a graduate program at OU.

[big red & cujo]

Let me guess...because Tyler Lee beat them 3 times in those 2 years.:rolleyes:
no, they were just better.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Joe Jon Finley, coaches son, TE at OU currently, was the QB for Arlington. Carroll beat the elder Finley and older son, Clint - {Nebraska} when both were at Cuero in 93.... 13-6 for the state title at the Floyd at Waco.

Oh, Clint played free safety at Nebraska, if I remember correctly. Clint is back, somewhere in Texas, coaching at the high school level.

[pack75]

It was indeed a very poor showing on the part of Carroll fans. There were rumors spread before the game that there would not be enough seating available on the visitor side. (Simple solution - get there early.) The parking would be lousy and inadequate with school in session. (True - see simple solution above.) It was a three and a half hour drive from Southlake. (So what? Lubbock and Odessa are both farther and so is San Antonio. I agree that driving acorss Dallas is a pain in the butt, so leave yourself time, get your butt in gear and go support the home town kids.) Fact is, there are no good answers for why Carroll fans failed to show up in the usual numbers to see their team play.

Thanks for keeping it real DrEdward.;)

[pack75]

i didn't see the 01 team, but based on the title, i'd vote for them.

I agree. That 2001 squad was the true and definite example for Lufkin, of what a TEAM should be.

[pack75]

no, they were just better.

Okay. Please elaborate on how they were better than the 2001 State Championship TEAM.

[pack0808]

Okay. Please elaborate on how they were better than the 2001 State Championship TEAM.

Don't bother getting an explanation from Bigred it is beyond pointless. The guy seriously makes since about 0.001% of the time. LP beat Lee in 01 at Rose stadium 21-0 by the way. :eek: How many times has Lee ever been shut out at Rose? But the 02 team was better? ok? They lost 2 close games to Lee that year in 02. A 1 point controversial loss in ot at home (last loss at Abe) and a 7 point loss at Rose. The 03 team was a very very talented team no question. Probably the best defensive team LP ever had with 8 players eventually signing div1a scholarships from that starting squad. They just did not have a good qb that year and it caught up to them in the playoffs vs Garland. They relied too heavily on Lane. They split with Lee that year and beat the eventual champs Katy 35-14 in week 0.

[toonman]

If SLC had never made the move up to 5A - This is who I believe would have been the 5A State Champions :-

Division 1
2006 Euless Trinity
2005 Euless Trinity
2004 Tyler Lee
2003 Galena North Shore
2002 Converse Judson

Division 11
2006 Cedar Hill
2005 Katy
2004 Lufkin
2003 Katy
2002 Lufkin

[rich_pack]

You're right about that. But the last time Lufkin and SLC played in Nac at Homer Bryce...was it just me or did it seem that a lot of the SLC fans did not show up?:confused: Can anyone from SLC explain that situation? Because I've seen in the past that SLC will pack the house.

I hate to say it, but most SLC fans I have talked too, did not go to SFA because they knew Claybon was hurt and not playing, so they decided to wait till the next weeks game to attend.;)

[CCHS77]

I hate to say it, but most SLC fans I have talked too, did not go to SFA because they knew Claybon was hurt and not playing, so they decided to wait till the next weeks game to attend.;)

Or they had to work!

[drgnbkr]

I hate to say it, but most SLC fans I have talked too, did not go to SFA because they knew Claybon was hurt and not playing, so they decided to wait till the next weeks game to attend.;)

I was there, and happily so! But, all the talk during the week was about how small the visitors side is at Nac, and it was, so a lot of people just didn't want to make that long drive. It's not right but that's what I heard all week.

[SLCDad]

I was there, and happily so! But, all the talk during the week was about how small the visitors side is at Nac, and it was, so a lot of people just didn't want to make that long drive. It's not right but that's what I heard all week.

Yeah, that was my impression also . . . combined with the threat of nasty weather.

SLC has a history of drawing good crowds on the road. During the season it's not uncommon for SLC to have as many fans as the home side and sometimes more. When SLC travels the visitor side is always over flowing.

[toonman]

I was there, and happily so! But, all the talk during the week was about how small the visitors side is at Nac, and it was, so a lot of people just didn't want to make that long drive. It's not right but that's what I heard all week.

I agree. I was there and I was happy to make the trip.

[pack75]

Don't bother getting an explanation from Bigred it is beyond pointless. The guy seriously makes since about 0.001% of the time. LP beat Lee in 01 at Rose stadium 21-0 by the way. :eek: How many times has Lee ever been shut out at Rose? But the 02 team was better? ok? They lost 2 close games to Lee that year in 02. A 1 point controversial loss in ot at home (last loss at Abe) and a 7 point loss at Rose. The 03 team was a very very talented team no question. Probably the best defensive team LP ever had with 8 players eventually signing div1a scholarships from that starting squad. They just did not have a good qb that year and it caught up to them in the playoffs vs Garland. They relied too heavily on Lane. They split with Lee that year and beat the eventual champs Katy 35-14 in week 0.

You're right...what was I thinking.:rolleyes:

[pack75]

Yeah, that was my impression also . . . combined with the threat of nasty weather.

SLC has a history of drawing good crowds on the road. During the season it's not uncommon for SLC to have as many fans as the home side and sometimes more. When SLC travels the visitor side is always over flowing.

Hopefully, if we (LP/SLC) meet up again in the playoffs soon, be sure to have your side over flowing with fans...cause I guarantee you the Panther Nation will be in attendance, no matter how far away it is from Lufkin.;)

[JT95]

I'm going to sound like a broken recorder, but that game back in 2002 (which I attended) came down to one thing: who wanted it the most. I still remember Lufkin burning SLC (who at the time looked overmatched like Westlake from the 01 title game the previous year) on the first play with that bomb to Holman and later Parks coasting downfield right before halftime. Lufkin led 30-14 I believe in the fourth quarter but SLC just seemed to be hungrier in the end and their side of the stands showed it.

You can't turn back the clock, but I can honestly say that game could've changed things. Then again, looking at Carroll's resolve since 2002, they would've just rolled the next season and who knows, possibly even beaten Katy that one time they did lose.

Bottom line: Lufkin up until now has only did it (win it all) once, which is nothing to be ashamed about. On the other hand, Carroll has come back and did it again, and again, and again.

[BigFanSLC]

classy post... i like it ;)

In that 02 game, Wasson had one of the sickest runs ive ever seen a qb do with two spins in a row and then on another play scrambling around to find Chase Daniel for a 2 point conversion in the back of the endzone. The icing on the cake was a simple fade comeback by Andrew Hansen in the endzone to tie the game(simple to him but hes the master of running routes).

yah at halftime of the Lufkin game in 02, no one thought it was over even after Parks ran it in right before half.... TD came in, did his usual, told us we were a better TEAM and that no one can stop us making history.... and the rest is history... that was def the state game to a lot of the players bc of the feeling after the win and storming the field, i almost passed out i was so excited, we knew Smithson Valley wouldnt stand a chance.

[pack0808]

if our stud lb just simply knocked the ball down on 4th down then the game would have been over. Simple as that! I am sure that play still haunts him.

[K-Rock]

I was there, and happily so! But, all the talk during the week was about how small the visitors side is at Nac, and it was, so a lot of people just didn't want to make that long drive. It's not right but that's what I heard all week.

I went to that game too. I'm from Diboll and drove up to watch a good game. Lufkin side had no seats.

SLC side was great. We met some of the nicest people. It was a pleasure to be around those folks at the game. We had seats on the 50 yard line. Parents were welcoming us to SLC football. Telling us about the players and who to watch for.

The atmosphere was not as exciting as it could have been, but I will watch a game with SLC parents any day. Great folks!

[pack75]

classy post... i like it ;)

In that 02 game, Wasson had one of the sickest runs ive ever seen a qb do with two spins in a row and then on another play scrambling around to find Chase Daniel for a 2 point conversion in the back of the endzone. The icing on the cake was a simple fade comeback by Andrew Hansen in the endzone to tie the game(simple to him but hes the master of running routes).

yah at halftime of the Lufkin game in 02, no one thought it was over even after Parks ran it in right before half.... TD came in, did his usual, told us we were a better TEAM and that no one can stop us making history.... and the rest is history... that was def the state game to a lot of the players bc of the feeling after the win and storming the field, i almost passed out i was so excited, we knew Smithson Valley wouldnt stand a chance.

I remember that as well...it was a pretty nice run. I don't believe the Pack was expecting that from Wasson.:o

[pack0808]

I remember that as well...it was a pretty nice run. I don't believe the Pack was expecting that from Wasson.:o

Plays like that is the norm at SLC these days. Chase Daniel was even more explosive as a qb along with players like Renfro, Luna, Newton, Jacobsen etc IMO SLC does not get enough credit for their players athletic ability and speed. They have plenty of both.

[pack75]

if our stud lb just simply knocked the ball down on 4th down then the game would have been over. Simple as that! I am sure that play still haunts him.


Okay, not trying to stir up any drama, but I'm pretty sure we all remember the very controversial "catch" in the endzone by one of the Dragons. The ref that was the closest to the play signaled incomplete, but then another ref ran over and signaled complete.:eek: And then what made it even worse was that they showed the replay on the jumbo-tron which you could clearly see that it was incomplete. I know if you were at that game, you remembered that play.

[dragonsdaddy]

Okay, not trying to stir up any drama, but I'm pretty sure we all remember the very controversial "catch" in the endzone by one of the Dragons. The ref that was the closest to the play signaled incomplete, but then another ref ran over and signaled complete.:eek: And then what made it even worse was that they showed the replay on the jumbo-tron which you could clearly see that it was incomplete. I know if you were at that game, you remembered that play.

all right, who dug up that stinkin', mummified horse so pack 75 can start flogging it again?

[pack75]

all right, who dug up that stinkin', mummified horse so pack 75 can start flogging it again?

You can't help but to remember that call. If SLC were on the other side of that call, trust me, you would bring it up as well...just like we bring everything else up about this game. Not taking anything away from SLC, but IMO, that call is what really changed the outcome of that game. This call was even replayed later that night on the Lufkin News on TV...it was pretty serious, but we could do nothing about it.:cry

[pack75]

all right, who dug up that stinkin', mummified horse so pack 75 can start flogging it again?

Makes me suspicious why you keep running from this part of the game.:confused: It's all good though.:)

[SLC93]

Plays like that is the norm at SLC these days. Chase Daniel was even more explosive as a qb along with players like Renfro, Luna, Newton, Jacobsen etc IMO SLC does not get enough credit for their players athletic ability and speed. They have plenty of both.

Ssshhhh!;) :D

[big red & cujo]

Okay. Please elaborate on how they were better than the 2001 State Championship TEAM.
the qb was more accurate and the offense was more dangerous on passing downs. they didnt have a athletic qb as reggie mcniel was but terrence parks was just as good because he made up for that with his passing.plus he wasnt to bad when he decided to pull it down and run with it. holman was a better reciever than he was in 01 because of the extra year of experience. they blew many more teams out in the post season and plus beat longview 3 times that year. wasnt challenged much in playoffs besides longview and carroll. a game they had a good size lead in.they squeaked by some games inh 01 because of macniel was so dangerus ant takin off. they were very good in 01 and was arguably the best team. mesquite can argue that one they self. but the 02 panthers had more chemistry and clicked more often. the o1 offense was in spurts at times, though i feel that the 01 team could have beatin SLC because reggie mcniel was so fast and hard to contain. lufkin could not run out the clock in the semi-final game in 2002. that was the biggest issue for them.

[big red & cujo]

You're right...what was I thinking.:rolleyes:
BIG RED really made some enamies with his truthful post and proof to back it up.;) thats ok, i'll still tell you like it is wether you like it or not.

[big red & cujo]

I'm going to sound like a broken recorder, but that game back in 2002 (which I attended) came down to one thing: who wanted it the most. I still remember Lufkin burning SLC (who at the time looked overmatched like Westlake from the 01 title game the previous year) on the first play with that bomb to Holman and later Parks coasting downfield right before halftime. Lufkin led 30-14 I believe in the fourth quarter but SLC just seemed to be hungrier in the end and their side of the stands showed it.

You can't turn back the clock, but I can honestly say that game could've changed things. Then again, looking at Carroll's resolve since 2002, they would've just rolled the next season and who knows, possibly even beaten Katy that one time they did lose.

Bottom line: Lufkin up until now has only did it (win it all) once, which is nothing to be ashamed about. On the other hand, Carroll has come back and did it again, and again, and again.
i was at that game to. lufkin could have iced it if that linebacker wouldnt have dropped the pick that bouced right off his chest. but, thats how it is . that play just wasnt mean to happen. oh, and yes that carrol player cought the ball on 4th down when the linebacker muffed the pick. it just went the dragons way that day. i was stunned!

[dragonsdaddy]

Makes me suspicious why you keep running from this part of the game.:confused: It's all good though.:)

as i have mentioned many times, that call only meant that we didn't have to waste another play to score on 4th down. it would have gone to the other side where slc's #6 was having his way with lp's #6. the result would have been the same as the ensuing 2 pt conversion- a wide open wr and a td. the resulting time used would have meant that the last play of the game would have been the sack, not the hail mary. had the ref missed the call and called it incomplete, andrew would have ended the season with 24 td's and still hold the school record, instead of being tied with mckay. and you would have to find something else about which to grouse.

[BigFanSLC]

as i have mentioned many times, that call only meant that we didn't have to waste another play to score on 4th down. it would have gone to the other side where slc's #6 was having his way with lp's #6. the result would have been the same as the ensuing 2 pt conversion- a wide open wr and a td. the resulting time used would have meant that the last play of the game would have been the sack, not the hail mary. had the ref missed the call and called it incomplete, andrew would have ended the season with 24 td's and still hold the school record, instead of being tied with mckay. and you would have to find something else about which to grouse.


yup

[pack0808]

You can't help but to remember that call. If SLC were on the other side of that call, trust me, you would bring it up as well...just like we bring everything else up about this game. Not taking anything away from SLC, but IMO, that call is what really changed the outcome of that game. This call was even replayed later that night on the Lufkin News on TV...it was pretty serious, but we could do nothing about it.:cry

That controversial catch by Scott Chandler (played for my Iowa Hawks for 4 year and was just drafted in the NFL) still would not have happened if our best lb skinner would simply knocked that ball down on 4th and long late. That will always be the biggest play to me. The game would have been iced no question barring some minor miracle. But you always have a lot of would of could of should of stuff after blowing a late big lead like that. Just how it is. Can you imagine how many would of could of stuff the Oilers talked about after losing to the Bills in the playoffs after being up 35-3 in the 3rd? :eek: I just know I was very nauseated after that 02 game and it took quite a while to get over it. Lufkin simply let that game slip away and most honest SLC fans will even admit that. Lufkin wins that game like they should have then they go onto win their 2nd title in a row and there is no telling how history would have changed after that? We will never know because it did not happen that way.

[pack0808]

as i have mentioned many times, that call only meant that we didn't have to waste another play to score on 4th down. it would have gone to the other side where slc's #6 was having his way with lp's #6. the result would have been the same as the ensuing 2 pt conversion- a wide open wr and a td. the resulting time used would have meant that the last play of the game would have been the sack, not the hail mary. had the ref missed the call and called it incomplete, andrew would have ended the season with 24 td's and still hold the school record, instead of being tied with mckay. and you would have to find something else about which to grouse.

That might be true but how can you say that SLC did not get a giant break freak play on the skinner deflection on 4th down late? The game is basically over if he knocks that down. It happened like it was supposed to but I will never get over that play. I bet the Raider fans feel the same after the Franco Harris freak catch.

[pack0808]

BIG RED really made some enamies with his truthful post and proof to back it up.;) thats ok, i'll still tell you like it is wether you like it or not.



What proof do you have? The only proof is 01 team were state champs and the 02 team was not! Lufkin was almost a completely new team in 02. They lost the vast majority of their starters from the championship 01 team. Quit pretending you make sense considering you are delusional the majority of the time.

[dragonsdaddy]

That might be true but how can you say that SLC did not get a giant break freak play on the skinner deflection on 4th down late? The game is basically over if he knocks that down. It happened like it was supposed to but I will never get over that play. I bet the Raider fans feel the same after the Franco Harris freak catch.

pack wasn't bemoaning the lp drop. he was complaining about a ref call, that as i stated didn't change the outcome. i agree completely about the 4th down play. if we want to talk about a game changing play, i'd say it was the int in the 3rd which slc turned into a td 3 plays later. i was worried about time management at that point. a couple of 1st downs and a punt would have caused lots of problems.

[pack0808]

pack wasn't bemoaning the lp drop. he was complaining about a ref call, that as i stated didn't change the outcome. i agree completely about the 4th down play. if we want to talk about a game changing play, i'd say it was the int in the 3rd which slc turned into a td 3 plays later. i was worried about time management at that point. a couple of 1st downs and a punt would have caused lots of problems.


Yeah that was a huge momentum turner. Again, you will always have a lot of the would of could of should of stuff in a game like that.


Hey speaking of the best wr on that LP team and one of the best LP wr's ever. He made a td catch on the 1st play of that slc game on a slant. Boy was he explosive as a player. He will be spending a long time in jail. Sad story. It was in front page the Lufkin paper today and I will post it below. :(




Ex-Lufkin football star charged with armed robbery


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By JESSICA SAVAGE
The Lufkin Daily News

Thursday, August 02, 2007

Police have arrested a former Lufkin football star in connection with a Wednesday morning armed robbery in North Lufkin.

Quentin Holman, 22, was arrested approximately two hours after two men robbed three women at gunpoint while traveling in a car down Abney Street at about 8:45 a.m., said Lt. David Young of the Lufkin Police Department.

Holman, a former wide receiver for the Lufkin Panthers, has been charged with aggravated robbery and evading arrest. Holman also had 11 outstanding warrants, including eight Class C warrants and three other misdemeanor warrants, according to jail records.

The women told police they had just finished cashing checks at M&B Food Store, at the corner of Raguet and Abney, when the men approached them outside the store and asked for a ride. The women agreed.

As the five were traveling down Abney, one man pulled out a handgun and demanded money from the women, Young said. The driver stopped the car and the men fled on foot with one woman's wallet and another's purse, Young said.

A couple hours later an officer spotted a man who fit the description of one of the suspects, Young said. The man was walking near the intersection of Third and Laurel streets, near Laurel Plaza Trailer Park. The officer chased Holman for two blocks before arresting him in a creek, Young said. Police are not yet releasing the name of the other suspect.

Holman helped the Panthers bring home their state championship in 2001 and set Lufkin High School receiving records in 2002. He is a former all-state player who signed a national letter of intent with Baylor University after graduation, but never enrolled.

[pack0808]

I see now that somebody already posted a thread about Holman. My fault.

[pack75]

the qb was more accurate and the offense was more dangerous on passing downs. they didnt have a athletic qb as reggie mcniel was but terrence parks was just as good because he made up for that with his passing.plus he wasnt to bad when he decided to pull it down and run with it. holman was a better reciever than he was in 01 because of the extra year of experience. they blew many more teams out in the post season and plus beat longview 3 times that year. wasnt challenged much in playoffs besides longview and carroll. a game they had a good size lead in.they squeaked by some games inh 01 because of macniel was so dangerus ant takin off. they were very good in 01 and was arguably the best team. mesquite can argue that one they self. but the 02 panthers had more chemistry and clicked more often. the o1 offense was in spurts at times, though i feel that the 01 team could have beatin SLC because reggie mcniel was so fast and hard to contain. lufkin could not run out the clock in the semi-final game in 2002. that was the biggest issue for them.

Not saying that I agree with what you are saying, but you were doing okay until you made the chemistry statement. Dude, to truly know how much chemistry a team really had you would have to be a part of the team. If you've played football you would know this. It's kind of like a family...you never know what's really going on unless you're a part of it. But I do agree with you about the time issue for Lufkin in that 2002 state-semi final game.

[pack75]

as i have mentioned many times, that call only meant that we didn't have to waste another play to score on 4th down. it would have gone to the other side where slc's #6 was having his way with lp's #6. the result would have been the same as the ensuing 2 pt conversion- a wide open wr and a td. the resulting time used would have meant that the last play of the game would have been the sack, not the hail mary. had the ref missed the call and called it incomplete, andrew would have ended the season with 24 td's and still hold the school record, instead of being tied with mckay. and you would have to find something else about which to grouse.

Like I've said before, if you were on the other side of this call, you would discuss it as well. And how in the heck are you going to just assume that the Dragons were going to score on 4th down if the previous play would've been called correctly.

Answer this honestly: Do you think that call was correct? Yes or No? Remember, be honest. It's not like we can do something about it now, but we discuss a lot of things on this forum that we can't do anything about.;)

[dragonsdaddy]

Like I've said before, if you were on the other side of this call, you would discuss it as well. And how in the heck are you going to just assume that the Dragons were going to score on 4th down if the previous play would've been called correctly.

Answer this honestly: Do you think that call was correct? Yes or No? Remember, be honest. It's not like we can do something about it now, but we discuss a lot of things on this forum that we can't do anything about.;)

i can see where as a lp fan, you would see it as a missed call. i too can see where it was ruled a catch. i lean toward it being a catch. he had posession, though be it brief with a foot on the ground in the end zone. that, by rule is a td.

if you have access to the game, you may be able to see the very next play in sequence. had it been 4th down, or for the extra point, andrew was able to create 7 yds of separation on a 3 yd route. now you may want to argue that had it been for the td, then what would they have done for the xps. i don't have that play to show you, but i'm thinking it might have gone back to #6, who was pretty much open every time they went to him.( the ints sheppard made weren't from his coverage, they were from chase throwing poorly/ making poor decisions on the zone look lp gave us.)

[dragonsdaddy]

if you want my opinion of the rule. i don't like it. it should require more than instantaneous possession in the endzone for it to be ruled a catch. it isn't that way out in the field. had that same play occur at the forty- incomplete.

[pack75]

i can see where as a lp fan, you would see it as a missed call. i too can see where it was ruled a catch. i lean toward it being a catch. he had posession, though be it brief with a foot on the ground in the end zone. that, by rule is a td.

What exactly is the rule on a catch to be considered complete for a TD? I agree that the footwork was probably fine, but I thought the WR would have to catch and maintain control of the ball.

[pack75]

if you want my opinion of the rule. i don't like it. it should require more than instantaneous possession in the endzone for it to be ruled a catch. it isn't that way out in the field. had that same play occur at the forty- incomplete.

I agree. If that's the rule, they need to change that. I don't see how .5 seconds of ball control will be good enough for a TD.:eek:

[BigFanSLC]

come one who cares it was 5 years ago! ;)

[pack75]

come one who cares it was 5 years ago! ;)

Look at you sig...you went all the way back to the 80's...who cares.;)

[BigFanSLC]

Look at you sig...you went all the way back to the 80's...who cares.;)

Touche'

[pack75]

Touche'

Just having fun with you BigFanSLC.:p

[BigFanSLC]

its all good i never get mad or irritated on this board, i just know im smarter than everyone :D

[dragonsdaddy]

its all good i never get mad or irritated on this board, i just know im smarter than everyone :D
everyone?

[big red & cujo]

Not saying that I agree with what you are saying, but you were doing okay until you made the chemistry statement. Dude, to truly know how much chemistry a team really had you would have to be a part of the team. If you've played football you would know this. It's kind of like a family...you never know what's really going on unless you're a part of it. But I do agree with you about the time issue for Lufkin in that 2002 state-semi final game.
well i did play football. as far as the chemisty part, i am refering to how the offense was so electric and so hard to stop and contain on consecutive drives. the 01 offense wasn't as good as the 02 offense when it came to a complete game of offense. i saw both teams play reggie mcniels completion % wasnt as good as terrence parks's.

[pack75]

well i did play football. as far as the chemisty part, i am refering to how the offense was so electric and so hard to stop and contain consecutive drives. the 01 offense was as good as the 02 offense when it came to a complete game of offense. i saw both teams play reggie mcniels completion % wasnt as good as terrence parks's.

Heck it doesn't matter. But from a Lufkin prospective that 2001 TEAM was the best team to come through Lufkin...those guys made History for the town. I have a feeling that the Pack will bring the hardware back home real soon.;)

[dragonsdaddy]

I agree. If that's the rule, they need to change that. I don't see how .5 seconds of ball control will be good enough for a TD.:eek:

it is always up to the referrees opinion as to what constitutes possession. if possession is determined to be made, and it is in the endzone, then the play is over. nothing matters after the ball touches the goalline, or the receiver comes down in the endzone. and thus the rub- what constitutes possession?

[caveman]

Dunno, but the ball was sure rolling by the time we first saw SLC December '03. Saw it again two years later, but wasn't able to repeat history.

[big red & cujo]

Heck it doesn't matter. But from a Lufkin prospective that 2001 TEAM was the best team to come through Lufkin...those guys made History for the town. I have a feeling that the Pack will bring the hardware back home real soon.;)
they could

[pack75]

they could


Can't quite predict exactly when, but I'm feeling pretty soon it will return to Lufkin.

[bullshark]

I'm going to sound like a broken recorder, but that game back in 2002 (which I attended) came down to one thing: who wanted it the most. I still remember Lufkin burning SLC (who at the time looked overmatched like Westlake from the 01 title game the previous year) on the first play with that bomb to Holman and later Parks coasting downfield right before halftime. Lufkin led 30-14 I believe in the fourth quarter but SLC just seemed to be hungrier in the end and their side of the stands showed it.

You can't turn back the clock, but I can honestly say that game could've changed things. Then again, looking at Carroll's resolve since 2002, they would've just rolled the next season and who knows, possibly even beaten Katy that one time they did lose.

Bottom line: Lufkin up until now has only did it (win it all) once, which is nothing to be ashamed about. On the other hand, Carroll has come back and did it again, and again, and again.


the first play of the game was not a bomb to holman but a slant that he caught and left the slc defenders behind

[pack75]

the first play of the game was not a bomb to holman but a slant that he caught and left the slc defenders behind

Does anyone have or can make a copy of this game on DVD?

[pack75]

Does anyone have or can make a copy of this game on DVD?

Anybody?

[whs08]

Well LP didn't win, next.

[pack75]

Well LP didn't win, next.

I'm guessing you're a Westlake fan.;)

[whs08]

I'm guessing you're a Westlake fan.;)

yep, why? And with that I have made it to 1,000 posts.

[CCHS77]

the first play of the game was not a bomb to holman but a slant that he caught and left the slc defenders behind

I was going to correct the "bomb" description associated with the first play/TD by the ’02 Panthers. Thanks. However, "left the slc defenders behind" is just a little simplistic.

He was "met" by the safety, Christian Merrit ( a normally hard hitting, sure tackler) who tried to arm tackle the Lufkin receiver up high. He was just shrugged off and the receiver just ran to the end zone.

First play, TD!

The last play of the first half, included, what should have been a sure sack by TE Jake Benoist, in which Jake took on the Lufkin QB, too high. Poor decision!

Last play, First half, TD!


Then the first offensive series of the 3rd quarter, CW throws a bad pass, interception! And that results in a third Lufkin TD.

The "greenies" could have given up.