How good will Permian be this season?

[charlesrixey]

DCTF thinks they can play a few rounds deep

[Eaglewatcher]

How good they will be and how far they go in the playoffs may be two different questions. You can be very good, but if you meet the wrong team in the first or second round, then your playoff record may not reflect what they really are. ( See Trininty last year).

[The Great Evaluator]

I voted regionals. They don't really have to play anyone until the 3rd round.

[FeeltheHaka]

I voted quarterfinals. The town is really rallying around the team, and trying to bring it back to the glory days. The TV games against us, seems to have rallied them as well. Looking at the linemen's stats. it seems that Mojo will have one of their if not their physically largest teams ever. Also, last year they played both Southlake and Trinity in the same season. I would venture to guess they learned a few things from the games.

[mojotrain]

DCTF thinks they can play a few rounds deep

I'll not pick how far, you just can't tell. We have new players that could effect both O and D. But mainly you can never tell who you will play.

This I can say, we don't know how our qb will respond. He is quite different than last years qb. Other than he the O should have as good potiental as lasts years. We scored gobs of points last year so I'll say we average 3 points per game less that last year. Last year even with better than average speed, our D was the weak point. we always did very well in the first half but the second half of every game was a nightmare. There were 284 points scored against us last year, 222 before the playoffs and 62 in the playoffs. Thats way to many and that will never = playing beyond the third round if that far. The plus is, that our know strength this year is on the D side of the ball. I feel like as many as 10 points allowed per game average less than last year. We gave a short field many times last year due to short punt's and thats been worked on. Our seniors are in there 3rd year of knowing how to block and tackle. Thats not a lot of experience compared to some.

Of course everyone knows ET is in town early. That will be a pretty good Indian sign as to where we are.

[GBMonster76]

I went to Permian's website and watched the off-season training videos. Love the work ethic, but someone who runs their strength and conditioning program needs to teach those boys some proper form and pace. High intensity weight lifting is garbage...absolute garbage. And, yes, I know what I'm saying because this is my field. Proper form and staggered weight increases is how you get legitimately stronger and more powerful....not screaming and yelling and firing away on machines at the sound of a whistle with an emphasis on tempo rather than form. Trust me on this one. But, love the cameraderie.

www.gridironbrotherhood.com

[Mojo89]

I went to Permian's website and watched the off-season training videos. Love the work ethic, but someone who runs their strength and conditioning program needs to teach those boys some proper form and pace. High intensity weight lifting is garbage...absolute garbage. And, yes, I know what I'm saying because this is my field. Proper form and staggered weight increases is how you get legitimately stronger and more powerful....not screaming and yelling and firing away on machines at the sound of a whistle with an emphasis on tempo rather than form. Trust me on this one. But, love the cameraderie.

www.gridironbrotherhood.com

The body becomes used to the everyday workout we put it through, otherwise known as "plateau". High Intensity breaks that trend and gets it going. I like to do a month of staggered weight and month of high intensity. It really depends on the individual though. I like it, some don't. I do work with a guy that only does high intensity and says anything else is for pus****. He's 5'7, 220 and not an once of fat on him. He's also 42 years old!

By the way, I picked the regionals, because we'll probably play SLC then!

[odessapermian.com]

I went to Permian's website and watched the off-season training videos. Love the work ethic, but someone who runs their strength and conditioning program needs to teach those boys some proper form and pace. High intensity weight lifting is garbage...absolute garbage. And, yes, I know what I'm saying because this is my field. Proper form and staggered weight increases is how you get legitimately stronger and more powerful....not screaming and yelling and firing away on machines at the sound of a whistle with an emphasis on tempo rather than form. Trust me on this one. But, love the cameraderie.

www.gridironbrotherhood.com


They do different workouts on different days. The coach has been in charge at Brownwood and Burnet previously, both programs that saw big turnarounds when he was there.

[GBMonster76]

That may be true, but science dictates that high intensity workouts are nothing more than getting the sweat going. Controlled, staggered increases are what makes the body...truly stronger and truly developed. Also, proper rest between sets is crucial...that's something you can't get when you have a guy blowing the whistle and yelling for you to change stations. High intensity workouts "seem" better, but they are NOT.


www.gridironbrotherhood.com

[mojoguy]

I feel something magic in the air this season, and I think our D will be stout. That doesn't change the fact that we get Euless/SLC in the regionals again. We will see though. I am confident in the guys, but this season is going to be a tall order. Who knows though with some of the guys we have returning and just coming into the program. You never can tell. No matter what though, I fully expect the boys to be playing in December.

[FeeltheHaka]

That may be true, but science dictates that high intensity workouts are nothing more than getting the sweat going. Controlled, staggered increases are what makes the body...truly stronger and truly developed. Also, proper rest between sets is crucial...that's something you can't get when you have a guy blowing the whistle and yelling for you to change stations. High intensity workouts "seem" better, but they are NOT.


www.gridironbrotherhood.com

You are right in theory. This is an area I know alot about too. But, in practice it is not always true in football. There are a couple a factors in football. For one, teenagers. If you've been in a teenage weight room you might not have the focus and patience. So a structured, team-building routine can help everyone stay focused. Another factor is on the football field, you don't have the luxury of letting yourself recover between snaps. Blowing the whistle and having everyone lift together can better simulate the sport specific training. It also helps with discipline which can help with penalties. Blowing the whistle at intervals at which the offense on average snaps the ball can maximize the drill tailoring it for the specific sport.
To be honest, I did not see the video. I tried to find it and couldn't. I went to mojoland.net. If they are not using proper form, then they are wasting their time, and increasing risk for injury. I know what you are saying, but when it comes to teenagers in a sport specific program, I can see how something like this can work.

[PermianFan]

You are right in theory. This is an area I know alot about too. But, in practice it is not always true in football. There are a couple a factors in football. For one, teenagers. If you've been in a teenage weight room you might not have the focus and patience. So a structured, team-building routine can help everyone stay focused. Another factor is on the football field, you don't have the luxury of letting yourself recover between snaps. Blowing the whistle and having everyone lift together can better simulate the sport specific training. It also helps with discipline which can help with penalties. Blowing the whistle at intervals at which the offense on average snaps the ball can maximize the drill tailoring it for the specific sport.
To be honest, I did not see the video. I tried to find it and couldn't. I went to mojoland.net. If they are not using proper form, then they are wasting their time, and increasing risk for injury. I know what you are saying, but when it comes to teenagers in a sport specific program, I can see how something like this can work.

Try going to OdessaPermian.com - (The Official Home Of The Permian Panthers). It's a different website by a different person.

[GBMonster76]

Yes, but lifting for strength and power is totally different from football conditioning you get on the field. Whenever you're in the weight room...it should be all about strengthing your core muscle groups and power. This comes from, believe it or not, slow, staggered increases with ample rest in between...a few minutes. This increases the body's overall ability to lift heavy weight. Now, when it comes to actual playing on the field...you combine that weight room strength and power with running-endurance and explosion...which you get from exercises on the field - running wise.

You make a good point about focus in the weight room, but a coaches can simply move throughout the weight room and constantly observe and encourage, while the kids go through their lifts. This is a better way.

www.gridironbrotherhood.com

[Mojo89]

As I said earlier, the body does tend to plateau if you don't change up your routine. HIT is great IF you use proper form. If I can't lift it, I drop down in weight. The idea is to lift as much as you can as long as you're using proper technique. By doing this, the muscle is so fatigued, that when you're done, you can't do another rep! And after every workout, the mucle group I work is sore the following evening. EVERY single time, when I do the HIT. I still do the "volume workouts", but I have found out recently that changing it up is good!

Google HIT and there are a lot of articles about it.

[GBMonster76]

As I said earlier, the body does tend to plateau if you don't change up your routine. HIT is great IF you use proper form. If I can't lift it, I drop down in weight. The idea is to lift as much as you can as long as you're using proper technique. By doing this, the muscle is so fatigued, that when you're done, you can't do another rep! And after every workout, the mucle group I work is sore the following evening. EVERY single time, when I do the HIT. I still do the "volume workouts", but I have found out recently that changing it up is good!

Google HIT and there are a lot of articles about it.


Well, I'm sure you can make a case for both ways, but what I saw in that Permian off-season video was garbage. A lot of yelling and lifting with pitiful form...the cameraderie was great, but the training was not.

[odessapermian.com]

Different workouts on different days.

[The King]

You are right in theory. This is an area I know alot about too. But, in practice it is not always true in football. There are a couple a factors in football. For one, teenagers. If you've been in a teenage weight room you might not have the focus and patience. So a structured, team-building routine can help everyone stay focused. Another factor is on the football field, you don't have the luxury of letting yourself recover between snaps. Blowing the whistle and having everyone lift together can better simulate the sport specific training. It also helps with discipline which can help with penalties. Blowing the whistle at intervals at which the offense on average snaps the ball can maximize the drill tailoring it for the specific sport.
To be honest, I did not see the video. I tried to find it and couldn't. I went to mojoland.net. If they are not using proper form, then they are wasting their time, and increasing risk for injury. I know what you are saying, but when it comes to teenagers in a sport specific program, I can see how something like this can work.

Sound like you have been in a football weight room before. Personally I think useing correct form is the most important thing though, and if you can train to do it with good form that is all that much better in terms of team dicipline

[FeeltheHaka]

Sound like you have been in a football weight room before. Personally I think useing correct form is the most important thing though, and if you can train to do it with good form that is all that much better in terms of team dicipline

I have been into weight lifting since I was 12. Then body building, I used to work in the medical field. I also studied nutrition during undergraduate in college. I cut back on weight lifting after college as a result of the military then martial arts, but never really abandoned it. I have a lot of friends who powerlift and body build. I am also pretty good friends with the strength coach at Trinity. The strength coach at Trinity is phenomenal. He still competes in Olympic weight lifting. He also played football and wrestled at Nebraska. He was also a strength coach at University of Tennessee. I have learned alot of new things from him. This summer I helped with but mostly observed his strength and agililty camp at Trinity. The transformation of some of these kids including my son has been nothing short of amazing. It is amazing how weight lifting changes. For example: The strength coach at Trinity (Coach Janecek) showed me a different way to do back squats by simply putting the bar an inch or 2 lower on your back. It makes a noticeable difference.
Now the strength and conditioning program at Trinity is not like the one shown in the Permian video. It is more like what GBMonster76 is describing.
But, when I'm in any weight room; there is always guys running their mouth and farting around instead of lifting. The weight room at Trinity is pretty disciplined as a high school weight room can get. Coach Janecek is quite the physical specimen, and this commands respect. The mental part of strength training is underrated. Having said this, these kids are still teenagers. The funny thing is the weight room at Trinity is still pretty much the same as it was when I went there in the 80's! I thought I knew a thing or two about strength training, but Coach Janecek has opened my eyes to some new things. I forgot to mention that his strength training at Trinity is a part time thing. He coaches football at Harwood Jr. High which is one of the feeder Jr. High's for Trinity. My son has played for him so far 2 years at Harwood and will be playing for him in 9th grade at Harwood.

[mojotrain]

I went to Permian's website and watched the off-season training videos. Love the work ethic, but someone who runs their strength and conditioning program needs to teach those boys some proper form and pace. High intensity weight lifting is garbage...absolute garbage. And, yes, I know what I'm saying because this is my field. Proper form and staggered weight increases is how you get legitimately stronger and more powerful....not screaming and yelling and firing away on machines at the sound of a whistle with an emphasis on tempo rather than form. Trust me on this one. But, love the cameraderie.

www.gridironbrotherhood.com

I found a site called overspeed.com some stuff from a Angel Spassov. If you check it out tell me what it said.:confused:

[BlackAttack]

Well, I'm sure you can make a case for both ways, but what I saw in that Permian off-season video was garbage. A lot of yelling and lifting with pitiful form...the cameraderie was great, but the training was not.

Watching a two minute video and making a blanket statement about their weight program is about like watching footage of a defensive practice and saying "if those boys aren't lined up in Cover 2 then their defense is garbage. Or watching 7 on 7 and saying "that offense won't work, it's garbage". Give me a break. Just like any other team, some days they do circuit style training, other days they do traditional routines for pure strength training. Other days they don't lift at all, but do mat drills until they puke. Still other days they run til they can't run anymore. It's all part of a total offseason package, and frankly I'm surprised that anyone who claims to have any knowledge about it would say otherwise.

[jbusch]

I have been into weight lifting since I was 12. Then body building, I used to work in the medical field. I also studied nutrition during undergraduate in college. I cut back on weight lifting after college as a result of the military then martial arts, but never really abandoned it. I have a lot of friends who powerlift and body build. I am also pretty good friends with the strength coach at Trinity. The strength coach at Trinity is phenomenal. He still competes in Olympic weight lifting. He also played football and wrestled at Nebraska. He was also a strength coach at University of Tennessee. I have learned alot of new things from him. This summer I helped with but mostly observed his strength and agililty camp at Trinity. The transformation of some of these kids including my son has been nothing short of amazing. It is amazing how weight lifting changes. For example: The strength coach at Trinity (Coach Janecek) showed me a different way to do back squats by simply putting the bar an inch or 2 lower on your back. It makes a noticeable difference.
Now the strength and conditioning program at Trinity is not like the one shown in the Permian video. It is more like what GBMonster76 is describing.
But, when I'm in any weight room; there is always guys running their mouth and farting around instead of lifting. The weight room at Trinity is pretty disciplined as a high school weight room can get. Coach Janecek is quite the physical specimen, and this commands respect. The mental part of strength training is underrated. Having said this, these kids are still teenagers. The funny thing is the weight room at Trinity is still pretty much the same as it was when I went there in the 80's! I thought I knew a thing or two about strength training, but Coach Janecek has opened my eyes to some new things. I forgot to mention that his strength training at Trinity is a part time thing. He coaches football at Harwood Jr. High which is one of the feeder Jr. High's for Trinity. My son has played for him so far 2 years at Harwood and will be playing for him in 9th grade at Harwood.

Hush, we want to keep him:mad: :) :D

Some school might offer his mama a job and he'd be gone ;)

[FeeltheHaka]

Hush, we want to keep him:mad: :) :D

Some school might offer his mama a job and he'd be gone ;)

I hear you on that one, but he has promised me he is going to stay till at least both my boys graduate! He isn't going anywhere anytime soon!

[Warbird]

I heard second hand that ESPN will supposedly broadcast the Permian vs. AHS game, though I doubt that it's true. Anyone else heard this? It'd be a good one to broadcast, however; Shotwell Stadium will be absolutely packed, much as it was in 04 between AHS and Midland Lee.