SLC University (UNT)!!!

[StormingCowboy]

Did you guys see North Texas's new helmets?!?!?

They are now white with "NORTH TEXAS" on them in green. If you were to take the letters off and add the dragon, it would look just like SLC's helmets!!


http://www.meangreensports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=1800&KEY=&SPID=562&SPSID=9058

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/topstories/stories/072507dnspountdate.3b499ae.html

[DragonFan0316]

Did you guys see North Texas's new helmets?!?!?

They are now white with "NORTH TEXAS" on them in green. If you were to take the letters off and add the dragon, it would look just like SLC's helmets!!


http://www.meangreensports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=1800&KEY=&SPID=562&SPSID=9058

Wait till he finds out that SLC is a great HS team but not so good as a division I team. He may change things back and start recruiting other players.

[StormingCowboy]

Wait till he finds out that SLC is a great HS team but not so good as a division I team. He may change things back and start recruiting other players.

I can't wait to see the rest of the uniforms!!

Hey, they may wear black pants for bowl games!!!

[FootballCrazy727]

my uncle is a big UNT fan and gets on a UNT fansite and he told me a lot of people arent pleased with the whole SLC uniform thing. I wouldnt like it too much either if your new head coach came in and made the uniforms just like his high schools. but hopefully the jerseys and pants arent like SLCs

[supercentex]

I hope they are......

I think the uniform change will pull in some SLC fans and draw some interest.

[Phoenixrising05]

my uncle is a big UNT fan and gets on a UNT fansite and he told me a lot of people arent pleased with the whole SLC uniform thing. I wouldnt like it too much either if your new head coach came in and made the uniforms just like his high schools. but hopefully the jerseys and pants arent like SLCs

I don't think any UNT fans have any room to complain...I mean really, 5 wins in 2 years??? I would think they should be OK with WHATEVER it takes to turn that program around. I'm sure Dodge is just trying to change the mentality of the players, to make them see the new direction on all levels they're going in.

[charlesrixey]

i just hope that dodge doesn't bolt if he wins 3 SBC titles in the next six years

[Sakatha]

i just hope that dodge doesn't bolt if he wins 3 SBC titles in the next six years

If he wins 3 titles in 6 years, he's gone somewhere...

He's a Billy Clyde Gillispie in the making. Dude thrives on competition and winning...

~DnM

[charlesrixey]

I think there is a chance that if he is successful he eventually takes over at UT when Brown retires

[fireaway]

and...the old mean green uniforms are just boring...

[slorch]

I think there is a chance that if he is successful he eventually takes over at UT when Brown retires

about the same chance as people at the movies buying popcorn...

The only way I don't think he ends up at UT is if Applewhite beats him to it, or he finds that the college game isn't what he thought it'd be.

When Mack retires or takes on another role at UT...
Picture this, 5-8 years from now. Applewhite has been a successful O-coordinator for a BCS, NCAA program with proven results from his offenses.
Dodge shows up to the interview with 2-3 bowl wins, and a consistently stronger North Texas program, but as Head Coach.

Wouldn't you like to sit in on those interviews?:D

[SLC93]

my uncle is a big UNT fan and gets on a UNT fansite and he told me a lot of people arent pleased with the whole SLC uniform thing. I wouldnt like it too much either if your new head coach came in and made the uniforms just like his high schools. but hopefully the jerseys and pants arent like SLCs

Tell em to get over it. There was so much winning associated with previous UNT uni's that there are actual feelings about them? Wow! They obviously haven't been looking at their old uni's either because they leave alot to be desired. I really like Carroll's look and think it translates well to a college uni. It's clean, crisp & well accented. What's the fuss?

[SLC93]

I think there is a chance that if he is successful he eventually takes over at UT when Brown retires

I think you're exactly right & I think it's more than a chance. He has to hold up his end of the bargain, of course , but that's a move that's gonna happen.

[SLC93]

about the same chance as people at the movies buying popcorn...

The only way I don't think he ends up at UT is if Applewhite beats him to it, or he finds that the college game isn't what he thought it'd be.

When Mack retires or takes on another role at UT...
Picture this, 5-8 years from now. Applewhite has been a successful O-coordinator for a BCS, NCAA program with proven results from his offenses.
Dodge shows up to the interview with 2-3 bowl wins, and a consistently stronger North Texas program, but as Head Coach.

Wouldn't you like to sit in on those interviews?:D

I think Dodge's strong ties to every recruiting trail in Texas & the years as a hc puts him well beyond Applewhite in that scenario.

[charlesrixey]

about the same chance as people at the movies buying popcorn...

The only way I don't think he ends up at UT is if Applewhite beats him to it, or he finds that the college game isn't what he thought it'd be.

When Mack retires or takes on another role at UT...
Picture this, 5-8 years from now. Applewhite has been a successful O-coordinator for a BCS, NCAA program with proven results from his offenses.
Dodge shows up to the interview with 2-3 bowl wins, and a consistently stronger North Texas program, but as Head Coach.

Wouldn't you like to sit in on those interviews?:D

I think Dodge would be first in line

doubtful UT would go to a 30 year old coach, even if it is Applewhite--having said that, MA will end up coaching at UT in some form or fashion, for the long haul

[BigRing5311]

Dodge immediately landed an Under Armor deal when he took the helm at UNT. That's pretty dang impressive by itself and I'll guarantee without Dodge there would be no apparel deal from anyone.

He already had a deal with UA at Southlake and UA is a huge fan of Dodge. UNT is green just like Southlake and the only NCAA team on UA's Team Marketing Group that is green. Since UA already had the SL uniform built it was probably just a matter of efficiency (and associated cost) that the UNT design be similar. As for the helmet...dance with who brung ya.

Wait and see what the TV media (game scheduling) does if UNT plays OU within 14...

[charlesrixey]

Dodge immediately landed an Under Armor deal when he took the helm at UNT. That's pretty dang impressive by itself and I'll guarantee without Dodge there would be no apparel deal from anyone.

He already had a deal with UA at Southlake and UA is a huge fan of Dodge. UNT is green just like Southlake and the only NCAA team on UA's Team Marketing Group that is green. Since UA already had the SL uniform built it was probably just a matter of efficiency (and associated cost) that the UNT design be similar. As for the helmet...dance with who brung ya.

Wait and see what the TV media (game scheduling) does if UNT plays OU within 14...

i think if UNT somehow manages to put points up against the B12's best defense, a lot of people will take notice

[BigFanSLC]

yah oklahoma's D next year will be really good.... but it is the first game, anything can happen

[SLC93]

Dodge immediately landed an Under Armor deal when he took the helm at UNT. That's pretty dang impressive by itself and I'll guarantee without Dodge there would be no apparel deal from anyone.

He already had a deal with UA at Southlake and UA is a huge fan of Dodge. UNT is green just like Southlake and the only NCAA team on UA's Team Marketing Group that is green. Since UA already had the SL uniform built it was probably just a matter of efficiency (and associated cost) that the UNT design be similar. As for the helmet...dance with who brung ya.

Wait and see what the TV media (game scheduling) does if UNT plays OU within 14...

I wish I had said it as well as you did.:D

[78 Spartan]

Hey, as an SMU grad, the more of his time he spends dic#ing around with fashion designers, the happier I am. I hope he's bringing in all his UNT kids and trying to convince them to all bleach their hair, also.

It always amazes me how one of the first things a new coach does is screw around with the uniforms. You'd think he would have more important things to do.

I know, I know, there's money in it for them (and for him). I just hope it's consuming every waking hour of his time, agonizing over whether the pants will be green, white, black, or whatever combination thereof.

[farmerfan]

Hey, as an SMU grad, the more of his time he spends dic#ing around with fashion designers, the happier I am. I hope he's bringing in all his UNT kids and trying to convince them to all bleach their hair, also.

It always amazes me how one of the first things a new coach does is screw around with the uniforms. You'd think he would have more important things to do.

I know, I know, there's money in it for them (and for him). I just hope it's consuming every waking hour of his time, agonizing over whether the pants will be green, white, black, or whatever combination thereof.

I'll fight you in the safeway parking lot :D

That was said by former North Texas coach Matt Simon in the early 90's after SMU decided they didn't want to Play us anymore. When UNT wins again this year I bet SMU wont schedule again for a long long time.
TCU already backed out when we went down to Ft Worth in 2002 and played them to a 3 pt game.

[78 Spartan]

Hey, if we hadn't let Hayden Fry go back in the 70s .......... y'all might still be lining up against Tarleton State and Sul Ross on Saturdays.

Seriously though, it is obvious that SMU is suc#ing hind tit in the Metroplex these days (although we did beat TCU the last time we played them), and I am just disgusted with our lack of progress after all these years in the wilderness.

Bottom line: we are insisting that our football players are also students, basically as Rice does, and we are as a result getting second and third tier talent.

I wish UNT well, except for the one game, though.

[The Dude]

I worked with Major Applewhite this week at the University of Alabama camp and I just didn't get the vibe from him that he's going to be a successful head coach anytime soon. He's still really young and I'm even skeptical as him being the offensive coordinator in such a competitve conference. I got to take two of my players to meet with Saban in his office personally and you just can tell by talking to a person like him that he's a successful head football coach. You can see the inexperience when working with Applewhite. He's a great quarterbacks coach, but he's got a long way to go before he can become a good head coach

[farmerfan]

Hey, if we hadn't let Hayden Fry go back in the 70s .......... y'all might still be lining up against Tarleton State and Sul Ross on Saturdays.

Seriously though, it is obvious that SMU is suc#ing hind tit in the Metroplex these days (although we did beat TCU the last time we played them), and I am just disgusted with our lack of progress after all these years in the wilderness.

Bottom line: we are insisting that our football players are also students, basically as Rice does, and we are as a result getting second and third tier talent.

I wish UNT well, except for the one game, though.

O yeah? well we require ours to be able to preform Beethoven's symphony number 5 before they graduate :eek: ;)

[slorch]

My little scenario was purely hypothetical about Applewhite and Dodge.

[78 Spartan]

O yeah? well we require ours to be able to preform Beethoven's symphony number 5 before they graduate :eek: ;)

UNT's band was always ahead of its football team way back when, when I lived in Dallas. But then Hayden came in and gave them big ideas......

Seriously, Hayden was a great coach (he proved that by resurrecting Iowa, of all people), and when SMU fired him (after, I think a 7-4 season) they opened the door to all the shieza that followed in the Ron Meyer era. Had Hayden been allowed to tenure at SMU, we wouldn't have had the Pony Express, but we'd be in the Big XII right now instead of Baylor. Getting killed every week, of course.

[dragonsdaddy]

Hey, as an SMU grad, the more of his time he spends dic#ing around with fashion designers, the happier I am. I hope he's bringing in all his UNT kids and trying to convince them to all bleach their hair, also.

It always amazes me how one of the first things a new coach does is screw around with the uniforms. You'd think he would have more important things to do.

I know, I know, there's money in it for them (and for him). I just hope it's consuming every waking hour of his time, agonizing over whether the pants will be green, white, black, or whatever combination thereof.
if you hope in one hand and dump in the other, guess which one fills up sooner. smu is a distant third as of last fall in dfw interest. they screwed the pooch by keeping their hc rather than firing him and offering todd. they will fall off the map soon.

[dragons08]

Hey, as an SMU grad, the more of his time he spends dic#ing around with fashion designers, the happier I am. I hope he's bringing in all his UNT kids and trying to convince them to all bleach their hair, also.

It always amazes me how one of the first things a new coach does is screw around with the uniforms. You'd think he would have more important things to do.

I know, I know, there's money in it for them (and for him). I just hope it's consuming every waking hour of his time, agonizing over whether the pants will be green, white, black, or whatever combination thereof.

but if hes staying with the carroll design, theres no time wasted...

[Stormy]

Can anyone tell me what their uniforms looked like before? Thought not!

What UNT fans are on a message board mad about the uni's? All 6,000 paying customers or the 3,500 that actually showed up for a game. Maybe the 2,200 season ticket holders. Get real, there aren't enough fans to get mad. Now give them a couple of seasons and they will have a fan base.

What is the problem in wanting to change the mentality. I just wish he would have put the state outline with UNT inside instead of spelling out North Texas.

[dragons08]

Can anyone tell me what their uniforms looked like before? Thought not!

What UNT fans are on a message board mad about the uni's? All 6,000 paying customers or the 3,500 that actually showed up for a game. Maybe the 2,200 season ticket holders. Get real, there aren't enough fans to get mad. Now give them a couple of seasons and they will have a fan base.

What is the problem in wanting to change the mentality. I just wish he would have put the state outline with UNT inside instead of spelling out North Texas.

umm all green?

[fireaway]

Haha l...these uni's don't look like SLC...why becasue they are white and have a stripe? Now...if there was an outlining pic of the good ole state of Tejas behind the NT logo it would be different...I Think you guys are just being a little meticulous....

[Firebird]

It's shows a lot of chutzpah (good word, huh!) to come in and put such an obvious personal stamp on a program before a game has been played. It takes even more when that "stamp" involves changing everything to look just like a high school team.

This is the kind of thing that will make everyone think Dodge is a genius if he starts producing wins quickly. On the other hand, if things don't start working out quickly, then it's the kind of thing that will bring him all kind of grief. If you come into a D-1A program and start running it like your old HS program, you better make sure it works out.

I like it though..shows that he is confident and ready to do what he knows how to do. I predict that after a few SB champs, no one will remember that they ever had another uniform.

[Drag Goon]

I read in the paper that he went with the White helmets because it is too hard to match the Kelly Green of the uniforms.

My question-do they have to buy all new helmets or do they paint them? Also, how long is a helmet used before it is "retired".

[Firebird]

I read in the paper that he went with the White helmets because it is too hard to match the Kelly Green of the uniforms.

My question-do they have to buy all new helmets or do they paint them? Also, how long is a helmet used before it is "retired".


At most college programs, they get new gameday hats every year.

[SLC DRAGON]

a lot of those helmets will be sent out to a company to refurbish them. this will include the new paint job

[rantanamo]

They need to let me design these things. I'd go with plain white helmets with a grey facemask. Plain green jerseys, and plain green pants with two white stripes. Just a plain white jersey for home. Straight up Plano in there. I think this would be classic and less gimmicky than anything I can think of. I think that is important to the success of that program as a whole.

[BigRing5311]

Until SMU quits using the invoked NCAA Death Penalty of over 2 decades ago and realizes the warden hasn't said "lights out" now for over 20 years they will never be a factor of contingency.

Programs do certain things to make positive strides...living on past negativisms and trying to elevate yourself by devaluing the potentially positive actions of other programs, will do nothing but dig a deeper hole.

[North Texan]

The amount of misinformation in this thread is hilarious. I've followed NT football since the mid 60's, and yes NT has had a white helmet before.

Next thing you all will be claiming is that Dodge changed NT's colors to green and white with black accents.

[SLC93]

The amount of misinformation in this thread is hilarious. I've followed NT football since the mid 60's, and yes NT has had a white helmet before.

Next thing you all will be claiming is that Dodge changed NT's colors to green and white with black accents.

The article references that fact. There have been no outlandish claims on here. If you've followed them for that long I wouldn't expect that all the buzz Dodge brings with him to be a bad thing. He'll be the best thing that ever happened to that program.

[78 Spartan]

Until SMU quits using the invoked NCAA Death Penalty of over 2 decades ago and realizes the warden hasn't said "lights out" now for over 20 years they will never be a factor of contingency.

Programs do certain things to make positive strides...living on past negativisms and trying to elevate yourself by devaluing the potentially positive actions of other programs, will do nothing but dig a deeper hole.

Nobody's devaluing UNT, I was just making sport of the whole uniform thing. You guys need to take it easy and learn to laugh a little bit. I am sure that UNT is going to be the class of its conference in short order with Dodge at the helm.

I agree that SMU's problems on the field stem from the fact that the University's administration can't let it go. However, I would also add that there is no other university that has walked in our shoes. When you get the death penalty not only because you are a repeat offender, BUT ALSO because the Chairman of the Board and the President of the University are involved in that filth up to their necks, it's a question of institutional credibility.

Sure, we'd like to win more football games, but the main thing is not to let the sheepskins of our graduates become a national joke. We don't want to be the Arthur Andersen of universities. We were on the verge of institutional collapse in the 1980s. We were rescued from the near collapse by Ray Hunt, the Dallas oilman who was from the "good side" of the Hunt family, and by Ken Pye, a real hard-a$$ toad of a man who Ray Hunt hired from Duke to clean up the mess. But the medicine administered was very bitter. (Remember, Pye is the guy who kicked Larry Johnson out of the basketball program over irregularities relating to his SAT score. We lost a stud NBA guy who could have won a lot of games for us. On the other hand, that action effectively got rid of Dave Bliss, and we've all seen subsequently what a douchebag he was at Baylor). And most of those hard-a$$ procedures and policies exist today.

So when the administration makes us live up to higher standards than almost everybody we are competing with (exception: Rice), you can't understand that decision unless the credibility of your own college degree hangs in the balance like it did for SMU.

And arguable, still does for SMU. Example: in one month, Mike Vick has gone from Nike hero to national disgrace. The media can do that to your institution in no time over the next major infraction.

Still, it bothers me that we have been non-competitive for so long. We were a last-second loss at Rice last year away from going to a bowl game, and we have some optimism that this year might be the year that we get back into some form of post-season play.

I am sure that NOBODY at UNT will root for us, SMU's long tradition of snootiness and UNT's long tradition of being overlooked will make sure of that. I know that UNT boosters take great joy in the problems that SMU is facing. We have found a lot more support from our former SWC friends like A&M and Texas, frankly. Of course, because we no longer constitute any kind of threat whatsoever to them.

[BigRing5311]

Spartan 78

Well stated. I don't believe the penalty that was handed down to SMU was a wise decision by the NCAA. There have been violations of equal or greater wrongdoings since without being penalized anywhere near the degree of SMU's Death Penalty...hence the NCAA backed off. The SMU instance turned into a political power ground with SMU serving as the pawn and the eventual condemned.

Good Luck this season

[PerryGreen]

Previous uni, not too bad. I can't wait to see the Under Armour threads though.

http://www.meangreennews.com/fav_photos/2005_10_22_0134_patrick_cobbs.jpg

I didn't read through everything, but the kelly green helmet thing is true. Look at Marshall. Also, apparently, it's easier to see receivers down field and in crowds with a white helmet as opposed to the green. Who knows.

[slorch]

i was thinking about the board while at work today (shocker, I know) and was looking at the NFL schedule that our company made for this year with all of the teams' helmets on it. I had forgotten that San Diego changed to the white helmet. i then remembered that denver changed to the funky unis that they have now from the much beloved orange crush unis, only to follow that up with a SuperBowl win. i thought that would be cool if San Diego won this coming SB too after the change, mostly because I like LT.

My point in all of that is maybe the uni change at UNT is simply a physical representation of the change Dodge hopes to make in the program. i know it's not that simple, but you can't write it off as insignificant either...:rolleyes:

[BigFanSLC]

any Under Armour Uniform will look GOOD!

[slorch]

any Under Armour Uniform will look GOOD!

unless it has a terrapin on it... those were hideous.