Big 12 Breakdown

[TheProphet]

Nothin gets a convo started like Ragging someones favorite teams...

Forgone Conclusions: Texas will thrash Oklahoma like nothing you have ever seen.
- Tech will thrash A&M like nothing you have ever seen.
-The winner of the big 12 south (err Texas) will thrash the winner of the big 12 north...but you will have already seen it once that year
-D1 teams shouldn't be able to count games against D2 teams

So since no one cares about the north lets break down the south a little...

1) Texas - Texas is so by far the best team in the big 12 its not even funny. No other team in the big 12 can even hang on the same field as Texas. This will be the easiest conference title UT will ever pick up.
2) Texas Tech - Well, Tech is a 0 in my book as of right now. They are the second best team in the big 12 south because all the other teams are negatives in my book. Here's an idea for Mike Leech and the Tech alum, maybe if you open next year against Helen Keller's alum at a school for the blind you will finally make that 100 points you so desperately crave. Until then, don't surprised when we all laugh at you because the teams you play are jokes, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
3) Texas A&M - What a pathetic defense. To get romped on yardage wise by Clemson is one thing. They recruit players. To get romped ALL OVER THE FIELD by the electric offense of Texas State is downright pathetic. The sad thing is, Sam Houston will not be the worst defense Tech plays all year, ITS YOU AGGYLAND!
4) Oklahoma - My God, I would have to watch Hoosiers to see a more boring offense. I mean, in all seriousness, you looked stagnant against a Pac 10 defense. Bar USC, I don't think I have ever seen 9 sorrier excuses for speed bumps between offenses and the endzone.
5) Oklahoma State - Well my God, if you can hang 15 points on Montana State who can stop you? Here's another school that should be ashamed of itself for playing a D2 opponent, about the only good thing I can say for the Sooners right now is you are a real program, thanks for playing real teams. As for the cowboys, you are probably the most pathetic football team I have seen named cowboys, except for those clowns from Dallas I have to watch on Sundays.
6) Baylor - Baylor sucks, lets be honest, Baylor has never been good. BUT, they will not finish last in the big 12 south this year because wouldnt you know it, 3 other teams are just as pathetic, err almost. Heres to hoping Daniel Sepulveda can kick a 99 yard punt, cause that would be the only thing that could make watching Baylor play worth your time.

[FootballJunkie]

Nothin gets a convo started like Ragging someones favorite teams...

Forgone Conclusions: Texas will thrash Oklahoma like nothing you have ever seen.
- Tech will thrash A&M like nothing you have ever seen.
-The winner of the big 12 south (err Texas) will thrash the winner of the big 12 north...but you will have already seen it once that year
-D1 teams shouldn't be able to count games against D2 teams

So since no one cares about the north lets break down the south a little...

1) Texas - Texas is so by far the best team in the big 12 its not even funny. No other team in the big 12 can even hang on the same field as Texas. This will be the easiest conference title UT will ever pick up.
2) Texas Tech - Well, Tech is a 0 in my book as of right now. They are the second best team in the big 12 south because all the other teams are negatives in my book. Here's an idea for Mike Leech and the Tech alum, maybe if you open next year against Helen Keller's alum at a school for the blind you will finally make that 100 points you so desperately crave. Until then, don't surprised when we all laugh at you because the teams you play are jokes, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
3) Texas A&M - What a pathetic defense. To get romped on yardage wise by Clemson is one thing. They recruit players. To get romped ALL OVER THE FIELD by the electric offense of Texas State is downright pathetic. The sad thing is, Sam Houston will not be the worst defense Tech plays all year, ITS YOU AGGYLAND!
4) Oklahoma - My God, I would have to watch Hoosiers to see a more boring offense. I mean, in all seriousness, you looked stagnant against a Pac 10 defense. Bar USC, I don't think I have ever seen 9 sorrier excuses for speed bumps between offenses and the endzone.
5) Oklahoma State - Well my God, if you can hang 15 points on Montana State who can stop you? Here's another school that should be ashamed of itself for playing a D2 opponent, about the only good thing I can say for the Sooners right now is you are a real program, thanks for playing real teams. As for the cowboys, you are probably the most pathetic football team I have seen named cowboys, except for those clowns from Dallas I have to watch on Sundays.
6) Baylor - Baylor sucks, lets be honest, Baylor has never been good. BUT, they will not finish last in the big 12 south this year because wouldnt you know it, 3 other teams are just as pathetic, err almost. Heres to hoping Daniel Sepulveda can kick a 99 yard punt, cause that would be the only thing that could make watching Baylor play worth your time.



Well you made my argument for me. The Big XII is down this year probably below the Pac-10 if not for UT may be on level with the Big East.

[TheProphet]

well thank you sir, and yes, as always, thank god for the longhorns

[GTown02]

Well you made my argument for me. The Big XII is down this year probably below the Pac-10 if not for UT may be on level with the Big East.
C'mon... BigXII and the Big East dont belong in the same sentance... everybody knows the BigXII is down, but there are still teams that have the talent to win... just becuase Oklahoma or A&M are playing badly now, doesnt mean that they wont improve throughout the season...

[FootballJunkie]

C'mon... BigXII and the Big East dont belong in the same sentance... everybody knows the BigXII is down, but there are still teams that have the talent to win... just becuase Oklahoma or A&M are playing badly now, doesnt mean that they wont improve throughout the season...

What about those six team in the North??? I thought Colorado may be best up there then they go to Miami and put up a whole 3 points. Iowa State coming from behind to beat ARMY. On top of that you still have Baylor and OSU in the south. May not be the Big East but unless somebody in the north starts playing some good football not looking real good.

[TheProphet]

well the main difference is that teams in the big 12 HAVE been good before...people have been asking for years why the hell the big east gets a BCS bid...

[GTown02]

well the main difference is that teams in the big 12 HAVE been good before...people have been asking for years why the hell the big east gets a BCS bid...
pitt last year getting into fiesta.... puzzles me...

[TheProphet]

yeah all that did was make Utah look like a real team, which they werent

[lonny23]

I say Tech in 2nd, but I have hope for them to beat Texas and go undefeated.

[farmerfan]

yeah all that did was make Utah look like a real team, which they werent

Surely your smarter than that.
Utah would have competed with the likes of OU,Auburn and Texas, and had the chance to beat all three of those teams.

[FootballJunkie]

well the main difference is that teams in the big 12 HAVE been good before...people have been asking for years why the hell the big east gets a BCS bid...

HAVE been as in past tense. They are not very good now. Pitt WAS a good, Syracuse WAS a good. West Virginia was a good team. Means nothing now. Teams in the Big XII north Were good at one time. This year different story. As for asking why the Big East gets a bid they just started asking that question once the 3 best teams in the league left Va. Tech, Miami and Boston College. If you will remember the Big East (MIAMI) won the national championship in 2001!! Last time Big XII won the championship was OU in 2000.

[TheProphet]

UTAH WOULD HAVE NOT COMPETED WITH ANY OF THOSE TEAMS! IF YOU WATCHED ANY OF THEIR GAMES YOU WOULD KNOW THIS. Utah gave up over 30 points to BYU, how the hell would they have stopped UT or Georgia? They also averaged roughly a special teams TD per game. Think they will get that vs a top 10 school? Not a chance. UT was a one man team, a one team from the mountain west. No one man can beat a Georgia, Ut, or Auburn defense, all among the best in the country. Utah did not belong in a BCS bowl, period.

[farmerfan]

UTAH WOULD HAVE NOT COMPETED WITH ANY OF THOSE TEAMS! IF YOU WATCHED ANY OF THEIR GAMES YOU WOULD KNOW THIS. Utah gave up over 30 points to BYU, how the hell would they have stopped UT or Georgia? They also averaged roughly a special teams TD per game. Think they will get that vs a top 10 school? Not a chance. UT was a one man team, a one team from the mountain west. No one man can beat a Georgia, Ut, or Auburn defense, all among the best in the country. Utah did not belong in a BCS bowl, period.

Utah never gave up 30pts to BYU, they beat the Cougars 52-21, they gave up 30pts twice, first time in a 63-31 victory over Colorado State, and the other a 49-35 victory over Air Force. You are not giving that Utah team enough credit, they were a very good football team and deserved a BCS spot, its just to bad they got Pitt instead of a Auburn, Va Tech or Texas, cause I think they would have given those teams a very good football game.

[FootballJunkie]

Utah beat Texas A&M by 20 points maybe thats why this guy does not like them!!!

[TheProphet]

yeah read all my other posts, I'm a UT fan, big time. nothing made me happier than seeing them kick A&M's @$$, but you have to remember what that did. A&M was ranked kind of high during the beginning of last year (which they clearly didnt deserve) and so when Utah whipped em they got jumped up real high in the polls. Then while Georgia was losing the likes of Auburn and Utah was beating the likes of Colorado State, they made a climb in the polls. I still say though, if they think they can compete, they should join a BCS conference, otherwise if you do not play an adequate schedule you do not deserve a BCS bowl.

[FootballJunkie]

yeah read all my other posts, I'm a UT fan, big time. nothing made me happier than seeing them kick A&M's @$$, but you have to remember what that did. A&M was ranked kind of high during the beginning of last year (which they clearly didnt deserve) and so when Utah whipped em they got jumped up real high in the polls. Then while Georgia was losing the likes of Auburn and Utah was beating the likes of Colorado State, they made a climb in the polls. I still say though, if they think they can compete, they should join a BCS conference, otherwise if you do not play an adequate schedule you do not deserve a BCS bowl.


Well if you don't play an adequate schedule you don't deserve a BCS bid??? Perhaps... I will say that Utah played and beat teams from the BCS conferences while teams from the BCS conferences are busy scheduling 1-AA schools. How many teams in the so-called power conferences front load their schedules with 1-AA teams I.E Texas Tech who won't even play a D-1 school until confrence schedule begins. I'm not saying Utah was #1 but they were a good team and deserved their spot in the Fiesta bowl.

[TheProphet]

Deserved their spot? Utah wasn't a bad team, thats not my point, but Utah did not deserve the spot over Cal or Georgia. How can two teams whos only losses were to top 3 schools (USC and Auburn) be ranked under Utah? Seriously, you know Utah could not have beat either of these teams, they didnt have near the quality of overall players nor were they as big on either lines. Utah beat A&M and North Carolina (for its only 2 games vs BCS schools) and I with you on criticizing Tech to the fullest degree. Non of Tech's games should count AND they should not be in ANY poll as of right now. Since Florida Int'l made the 1-A jump I might give them that game with a grain of salt. None the less, I do not find Utah deserving over Cal or Georgia at that point in the season, but hey its history now.

[FootballJunkie]

Deserved their spot? Utah wasn't a bad team, thats not my point, but Utah did not deserve the spot over Cal or Georgia. How can two teams whos only losses were to top 3 schools (USC and Auburn) be ranked under Utah? Seriously, you know Utah could not have beat either of these teams, they didnt have near the quality of overall players nor were they as big on either lines. Utah beat A&M and North Carolina (for its only 2 games vs BCS schools) and I with you on criticizing Tech to the fullest degree. Non of Tech's games should count AND they should not be in ANY poll as of right now. Since Florida Int'l made the 1-A jump I might give them that game with a grain of salt. None the less, I do not find Utah deserving over Cal or Georgia at that point in the season, but hey its history now.

Maybe they were deserving maybe not but this argument has been heard before. Nebraska didn't deserve to play for 2001 National championship because they didn't even win their their conference. Florida had already lost to Florida State earlier in the year so they should not have played in the championship game again against Fl State. BYU won a national championship coming from the WAC. I mean its all subjective. Utah went to the bowl and won convincingly against a so-called BCS conference champion so what can you say.

[TechGuy07]

I hope the players are as cocky as some of the UT fans on here.

It is possible for OU, Tech, or Aggy to beat UT. It will be decided on the field, not by someone hiding behind a keyboard saying it will.

[TechGuy07]

Oh, and as for the Hellen Keller comment...

Tech has a pretty respectable OOC next season...@TCU, @Rice, UTEP, and a TBA slot.

[Reaganrattler07]

I hope the players are as cocky as some of the UT fans on here.

It is possible for OU, Tech, or Aggy to beat UT. It will be decided on the field, not by someone hiding behind a keyboard saying it will.

I kinda believe that last part.....the sips may be a little surprised....

[wide-e-wide]

I hope the players are as cocky as some of the UT fans on here.

It is possible for OU, Tech, or Aggy to beat UT. It will be decided on the field, not by someone hiding behind a keyboard saying it will.

It's also possible that I could win the lotto. What's your point?
Again...........advantage - Lotto

[TechGuy07]

Just saying that someone saying that UT will win the south doesn't guarantee it.

I heard a lot of Sooner fans saying "we don't rebuild, we reload." We see what happened there.

[TheProphet]

TechGuy07,
I still don't see a legitimate team on that schedule. UTEP is improving, but they still refuse to play any real competition they aren't forced to. As for that OU, Tech, or A&M could beat Texas comment...yeah Baylor COULD beat Texas, anything could happen...but OU is PATHETIC, they aren't going to beat anyone...Tech will have to have its very best day on a day that UT's defense is off, which is unlikely in Austin. And aggy. haha well, lets just say if they can't stop texas state then they are in for a long day. Now, to address your other concerns, our players are just as cocky and with good reason. Jamaal Charles said he would make us forget about Peterson and right now he is having a much better year, not to mention almost mimicking (sp?) Peterson's freshman performance.

[FootballJunkie]

TechGuy07,
I still don't see a legitimate team on that schedule. UTEP is improving, but they still refuse to play any real competition they aren't forced to. As for that OU, Tech, or A&M could beat Texas comment...yeah Baylor COULD beat Texas, anything could happen...but OU is PATHETIC, they aren't going to beat anyone...Tech will have to have its very best day on a day that UT's defense is off, which is unlikely in Austin. And aggy. haha well, lets just say if they can't stop texas state then they are in for a long day. Now, to address your other concerns, our players are just as cocky and with good reason. Jamaal Charles said he would make us forget about Peterson and right now he is having a much better year, not to mention almost mimicking (sp?) Peterson's freshman performance.

Well Charles is leading Peterson by 9 yards. If Charles wants to make everyone forget about Peterson he should shut up and stop mentioning his name and just play. Once the year is over and he has over 1900 yards then he can talk!!

[TheProphet]

he said it once...we're the ones repeating it...

[wide-e-wide]

Well Charles is leading Peterson by 9 yards. If Charles wants to make everyone forget about Peterson he should shut up and stop mentioning his name and just play. Once the year is over and he has over 1900 yards then he can talk!!

Your personal vendetta against all things Horns....makes me laugh every time I read your posts. Keep 'em comin' buddy...they are truly classics.

[FootballJunkie]

Your personal vendetta against all things Horns....makes me laugh every time I read your posts. Keep 'em comin' buddy...they are truly classics.

Which part of that post was not the truth?? Numbers speak louder than his big mouth.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

OU will breakout this weekend. I predict Peterson will rush for at least 250 yds and 3 tds. Bomar will have 350 yds passing and 3 tds. The defense will practically pitch a shut-out!

Oh...ok, perhaps my sedatives are kicking in!

Yeah, yeah....I know.."Cocaine is a helluva drug"!!! :D

[friendswood72]

Who cares about our powder puff non conference schedule? If your not a tech fan you shouldn't. Just worry about your team's game vs. tech because we have about 4 game breakers on offense and our defense is improving. Just ask last year #4 Cal how good tech is. Cal overrated? More like tech underrated.

[lonny23]

Who cares about our powder puff non conference schedule? If your not a tech fan you shouldn't. Just worry about your team's game vs. tech because we have about 4 game breakers on offense and our defense is improving. Just ask last year #4 Cal how good tech is. Cal overrated? More like tech underrated.
Good coaches make the most out of additional time between games. The best coaches find ways to win bowl games. Mike Leach is a real good coach and he knows how to win bowl games. Tech was underrated last year and might be this year, too. Mike Leach would have a national title right now if he was the coach at UT.

[FootballJunkie]

Good coaches make the most out of additional time between games. The best coaches find ways to win bowl games. Mike Leach is a real good coach and he knows how to win bowl games. Tech was underrated last year and might be this year, too. Mike Leach would have a national title right now if he was the coach at UT.

I'll give you 10-1 odds that Mike Leach never wins a National champioship at Texas Tech or anywhere else for that matter.

[pack0808]

Considering how hard it is to win a national championship for any coach that is not a gutsy bet at all. There is a very good chance that he and 95 percent of the coaches around the nation will not ever win a NC!! I am not a Mike Leach fan by the way. Seems like an arrogant jerk from what i have seen.

[TheProphet]

4 gamebreakers? try 1 gamebreaker...the little tech plug and play juggernaut will be silent against the top D's like it always is, cause they have no defense and turn the ball over about 4 times a game. i realize the irony with vince and all but we have a D to support him. that pass every down **** works against cupcake teams, not real contenders, after those slot receivers get their ***** busted a few times they lose the eye for that ball, just look at last years tech/UT film...and im not concerned about your schedule, just dont run your mouth about a team until they DO SOMETHING

[wide-e-wide]

Make that bet Mack Brown and change it to 20-1 odds and you got yourself a deal...

[farmerfan]

4 gamebreakers? try 1 gamebreaker...the little tech plug and play juggernaut will be silent against the top D's like it always is, cause they have no defense and turn the ball over about 4 times a game. i realize the irony with vince and all but we have a D to support him. that pass every down **** works against cupcake teams, not real contenders, after those slot receivers get their ***** busted a few times they lose the eye for that ball, just look at last years tech/UT film...and im not concerned about your schedule, just dont run your mouth about a team until they DO SOMETHING

Tech has Marcus Johnson, Danny Amendola(sp) Jarret Hicks and Tauren Henderson, all those guys are gamebreakers and will put up big numbers this year.
Also the Tech defense is getting better every year, the notion that they dont have a defense is a thought of the past they finsihed in the top 45 last year). Last year Texas went into Lubbock and won very impressively, however the last time Tech came to Austin they were a falling DB and a few extra points away from going home with their second straight win over Texas. I think this is the best Tech team to play in the Big 12, and I think they will go into Austin and give Texas a very tough football game.

[FootballJunkie]

Make that bet Mack Brown and change it to 20-1 odds and you got yourself a deal...
15 to 1, Mack Brown NEVER wins a National Championship...20 to 1 he does not win one this year. ;)

[HOOKEM]

I hope the players are as cocky as some of the UT fans on here.

It is possible for OU, Tech, or Aggy to beat UT. It will be decided on the field, not by someone hiding behind a keyboard saying it will.


Tech will never be a legit threat against good d-fences unless they get rid of that gimmicky offense. You realized that last year as you were leaving at half time of last years game after you camped out for tickets for two days. They certainly do not have the studs to stop the V train on defense. I would say that Texas is far better this year and Tech, not sure they have not played anyone yet?

Hook Em Horns!!!!!

[FootballJunkie]

Tech will never be a legit threat against good d-fences unless they get rid of that gimmicky offense. You realized that last year as you were leaving at half time of last years game after you camped out for tickets for two days. They certainly do not have the studs to stop the V train on defense. I would say that Texas is far better this year and Tech, not sure they have not played anyone yet?

Hook Em Horns!!!!!

Yea Tech reminds me of those Houston teams with Andre Ware and Klingler. Big numbers but not enough big wins.

[HOOKEM]

Yes, the run and shoot turns into a sit and squat against real defenses.

[raidercheerdad]

While I'm a true Baylor fan that is behind them (even in defeat) at all times, I was there when they did have a team(1979-1983). I am not an Aggie hater or a UT hater(I root for both of these teams against anyone except Baylor) but the sips have to get real. As badly as I want the National title in Texas and as much as I'd like to see it won under Mack Brown, Texas has already preloaded the pistol that will shoot them in the foot(as they ALWAYS do just like Baylor ALWAYS loses!). They should have won at least 1 or 2 titles in the last 4 years and have found a way to screw it up! They are more consistent at this than Baylor is at losing.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

While I'm a true Baylor fan that is behind them (even in defeat) at all times, I was there when they did have a team(1979-1983). I am not an Aggie hater or a UT hater(I root for both of these teams against anyone except Baylor) but the sips have to get real. As badly as I want the National title in Texas and as much as I'd like to see it won under Mack Brown, Texas has already preloaded the pistol that will shoot them in the foot(as they ALWAYS do just like Baylor ALWAYS loses!). They should have won at least 1 or 2 titles in the last 4 years and have found a way to screw it up! They are more consistent at this than Baylor is at losing.


The reason UT hasn't won National Championships is because they're FAR too passive/soft. Mack is not a Bobby Bowden who will demand perfection from his team....he's not a coach that will demand over-aggressivness, therefore he gets upset year in and year out.

But then again, OU has played in 3 of the last 5 title games because they out recruit UT and simply put the fear of God in them. UT is good, but the talent Texas produces should be winning championships every year!

This UT's chance....we'll see what happens!!

[FootballJunkie]

The reason UT hasn't won National Championships is because they're FAR too passive/soft. Mack is not a Bobby Bowden who will demand perfection from his team....he's not a coach that will demand over-aggressivness, therefore he gets upset year in and year out.

But then again, OU has played in 3 of the last 5 title games because they out recruit UT and simply put the fear of God in them. UT is good, but the talent Texas produces should be winning championships every year!

This UT's chance....we'll see what happens!!

I like this little quote from CNNSI when you talk about talent:

There are more good, fast football players in Florida than in any other state. (Sorry, Texas and California). Almost every Division I-A program in the country tries to recruit there.

Perhaps UT should try recruiting down their.

[Favpack]

Next week is obviously IT for UT - they have to win - and I think they will win big over OU.

UT is looking good right now, barring injury - I think they run the table and play someone for the national title.

[pack0808]

Texas has had the most div1a recruits for 4 straight years by far. Yeah i know they are bigger then Florida. But i will put east texas up with anybody in the nation in terms of div1 per population no doubt. They were easily the highest per capita and Dallas had the most overall. It is listed in DC mag i believe??

[Favpack]

Texas has had the most div1a recruits for 4 straight years by far. Yeah i know they are bigger then Florida. But i will put east texas up with anybody in the nation in terms of div1 per population no doubt. They were easily the highest per capita and Dallas had the most overall. It is listed in DC mag i believe??

Why is that nobody from Dallas other than SLC puts together power-house teams anymore? Euless Trinity is very good this year, but nobody else looks like a threat, other than maybe Dallas Carter. Yes, there is some great talent in D, but it sure is spread thin around.