MNW's new coach is (you're gonna love this)...

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Billy Rolle, according to posters on several Miami message boards. In case you missed my earlier post about him, here it is below. Glad to see MNW's commitment to integrity, if true.

"Also, weren't several of Coach Rolle's kids at Killian part of the famous group that the NY Times exposed for attending "University High", the pay-for-a-diploma mill that the NCAA helped eliminate, so that they could go play D1 football after they finished their HS football careers where they all had zero grades?

(Link Here (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/27/sports/ncaafootball/27school.html?ex=1290747600&en=7be09ef8cdd09a4e&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss)) if any of you are interested in more about that story.

Some select quotes:
(Demetrius Morley at Killian) received three F's that year and had a 2.09 grade point average in his core courses, giving him little hope of qualifying for a scholarship under National Collegiate Athletic Association guidelines.

In December of his senior year, Morley led Killian to the 2004 state title while taking a full course load. He also took seven courses at University High School, a local correspondence school, scoring all A's and B's. He graduated that December, not from Killian but from University High. His grade point average in his core courses was 2.75, precisely what he wound up needing to qualify for a scholarship."

"A four-member academic panel at Tennessee admitted Morley after sending an athletic department official to Miami to investigate University High. Morley has thrived on the field at Tennessee, but Philip Simpson has stumbled at Temple.

Simpson, a standout quarterback at Southridge High, said Wright had met with him and his parents and offered a sure alternative from high school to college, telling him: "You either stay there and bust your behind and hope and pray that at the end you don't get short-handed. Or you can do this."

He now says he lacks the educational skills for college. For a basic math class at Temple, Simpson said, he studied at least three hours every day, got help from tutors and met regularly with the professor. He still did not score higher than 53 out of 100 on any test."

"Florida's public schools require an exit examination for graduation, but private schools have no such requirement, and operate under a law that prohibits any state regulation. That allows University High to operate essentially unsupervised."

"Pat Herring, the interim admissions director at the University of Florida, looked into University High after admitting one of its graduates, Dane Guthrie, a former Killian tight end. "We found that University High School was kind of a storefront operation," Herring said. "It didn't seem to have much in the way of an academic program.""

University High School consists of two small rooms on the third floor of an office building wedged between a Starbucks and an animal hospital on Route 1 in south Miami. Inside are three desks, three employees and two framed posters from art museums on the wall.

Promotional brochures say diplomas can be earned in four to six weeks, with open-book exams, no classes and no timed tests. A diploma costs $399, no matter how many courses.

In paperwork filed with the state of Florida, the school says it has six teachers. None of the school's graduates interviewed, however, mentioned dealing with anyone besides Kinney, the current owner, and none said they had received any personal instruction.

University High, which has no classes and no educational accreditation, appears to have offered the players little more than a speedy academic makeover.

The man who founded University High School and owned it until last year, Stanley J. Simmons, served 10 months in a federal prison camp from 1989 to 1990 after pleading guilty to conspiracy to commit mail fraud for his involvement with a college diploma mill in Arizona. Among the activities Simmons acknowledged in court documents were awarding degrees without academic achievement and awarding degrees based on studies he was unqualified to evaluate.

In 2004, Simmons sold University High to Michael R. Kinney, its director. Kinney, 27, who was arrested on a marijuana possession charge in 2003 and is wanted on a bench warrant, declined to comment, despite requests by phone, fax and visits to his apartment.


Yet Wright is barred from Southridge, partly because he lured players to Killian and to University High. In January 2004, five football players left Southridge and later played crucial roles on Killian's state title team.

"He can't come into my building," Carzell J. Morris, the principal at Southridge, said. "Just for the fact he comes in and takes my kids out. Kids that could probably make it if they weren't looking for the easy way out."

Thirteen of the 38 seniors on Killian's 2004 state title team did not graduate with their class. Many, including Morley and Brooks, wound up at University High.

"How legitimate is it?" Otis Collier, the athletic director at Killian, said about Morley's improvement at University. "I don't know. I guess it's because of me. I probably should want to know, but I don't want to know. I don't want to know anything about it."

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Here's a link from the Miami Herald:
Link (http://www.miamiherald.com/breaking_sports/story/174926.html)

Can't make this stuff up, folks. All I have to say...

GO DRAGONS

[KT2000]

I have the state semi-final and state final of that 98 Northwestern team on tape. Antonio Bryant was on that team. I'll have to watch those again. I can't say I'm surprised they went with a "community" hire. I doubted they'd bring someone from totally outside the program at this stage.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

There were a lot of very talented kids that played under him at NW, and to be honest, they underachieved several seasons under Rolle even though a lot of people down there consider him to be a great coach. The talent down there really does seem to gravitate to him, if you know what I'm saying. And, if you don't know what I'm saying, go read the article I linked above and you'll figure it out. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if MNW gets some help in that suspect secondary, from Central (where he was last year) or elsewhere, pretty soon.

[stevefoxsc]

those kids should really think about their future, after watching "the program" and seeing that one guy break his leg. He had no education or future, same with that kid in L.A a few year ago hot basketball star highly recruited after high school. Plays a game, and wam comes down wrong, and he was out.

[SLC DRAGON]

this just shows that TEXAS high school football and Florida HS football are two different games.

in one you are required to be accountable in the classroom
in the other you can just pay ur way through

in one you cant just up and leave to play for any team you want
in the other there is a free agent sighning period every summer

despite all this the SLC MNW game (if played) will still be lopsided. my guess SLC-42 Mnw-17

[Texasfrog]

this just shows that TEXAS high school football and Florida HS football are two different games.

in one you are required to be accountable in the classroom
in the other you can just pay ur way through

in one you cant just up and leave to play for any team you want
in the other there is a free agent sighning period every summer

despite all this the SLC MNW game (if played) will still be lopsided. my guess SLC-42 Mnw-17

It's just another example of what I've been saying for years on this site. Texas has the toughest athletic overwatch organization with the (UIL) than any other State across America and that's just a 100% solid fact.;)

In many States they can almost get away with murder inside their amatuer sports organizations where in Texas the UIL would string you up from the highest tree.

[SLC DRAGON]

and thats the way it should be. most HS ball players will never play collge ball and of the ones who so most of them will never recieve a dime to play any level of pro ball. so if ur not in the top 1% of the top 1% of high school athletes whats ur backup plan. in TX we aim to make boys into men thrugh the great game of football. i guess thats just to hard to comprehend in other states (i.e. Florida)

[SLC93]

This hire, if it becomes official, is a joke. There is no excusing Roland Smith or his staff for their failing to act but, as a whole, the MNW program was far more disciplined & consistent under Smith's watch. Under Rolle the MNW program was wildly inconsistent and underacheived dramatically. As shown above, his character has been in question for years, culminating with the grades scandal. Way to shake up the culture. This has much more to do with his familiarity with the program and Dade county football than anything else. The alumni & boosters want someone who can cash in on their teams talent next year, that's all there is to this. If they bring in new blood, whether it be a new coach or a coach from another part of the state, there will be too much transition to expect that they can win another title. More of the same & truly disappointing.

[GBMonster76]

this just shows that TEXAS high school football and Florida HS football are two different games.

in one you are required to be accountable in the classroom
in the other you can just pay ur way through

in one you cant just up and leave to play for any team you want
in the other there is a free agent sighning period every summer

despite all this the SLC MNW game (if played) will still be lopsided. my guess SLC-42 Mnw-17

How can you compare what goes on at a few schools in MIAMI-DADE to the entire state of Florida?!?

Do I have to even bring up the gross, embarrassing situation with Dallas-Carter?

Give me a break...let's not let these discussions get out of hand.

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[drgnbkr]

How can you compare what goes on at a few schools in MIAMI-DADE to the entire state of Florida?!?

Do I have to even bring up the gross, embarrassing situation with Dallas-Carter?

Give me a break...let's not let these discussions get out of hand.

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Miami / Dade seems to be the worst, as with most other things in Florida, but if the Florida High School authorities can't control that part of the state, what credibility do they have in the rest of the areas? I know there are a lot of great schools in the rest of the state, but don't they all have to play by the same rules, or lack thereof?

[GBMonster76]

Miami / Dade seems to be the worst, as with most other things in Florida, but if the Florida High School authorities can't control that part of the state, what credibility do they have in the rest of the areas? I know there are a lot of great schools in the rest of the state, but don't they all have to play by the same rules, or lack thereof?

Dallas Carter, period.


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[drgnbkr]

Dallas Carter, period.


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What? Dallas Carter embarrassed the comunity, the state and they were stripped of the state title as a result. MNW embarrassed the community, the state, covered up the Easterling deal and still has the trophy. Is that what your talking about?

[cajun]

Well, regardless of the hire which I'm sure there was a pretty short list of candidates the game is on....AND, SLC need to worry about nothing else...

I'm not sure who the Texas people thought was going to get this job but, it doesn't surprise me in the least...Also, I think the man should be given a chance...I'm not sure how many people wanted this coaching position anyways...I would never take it...

It's still about the game though....I'm sure the people in the MNW community want and deserve better from their leaders...AND, who knows...People change....I can think of many coaches responsible for molding young people that were given 2, 3, and 4 chances...Texas Tech has one right now...

Bottom line: It's MNW's problem to address and correct....My own personal feelings are it's gonna take more than a football coach and a couple of concerned parents to correct that situation though-that's another story...

I'm just glad the game is on and looking forward to seeing it...

[drgnbkr]

Well, regardless of the hire which I'm sure there was a pretty short list of candidates the game is on....AND, SLC need to worry about nothing else...

I'm not sure who the Texas people thought was going to get this job but, it doesn't surprise me in the least...Also, I think the man should be given a chance...I'm not sure how many people wanted this coaching position anyways...I would never take it...

It's still about the game though....I'm sure the people in the MNW community want and deserve better from their leaders...AND, who knows...People change....I can think of many coaches responsible for molding young people that were given 2, 3, and 4 chances...Texas Tech has one right now...

Bottom line: It's MNW's problem to address and correct....My own personal feelings are it's gonna take more than a football coach and a couple of concerned parents to correct that situation though-that's another story...

I'm just glad the game is on and looking forward to seeing it...

Same here..can't wait for the season to start so we have some real stuff to talk about!

[ScottS]

Wouldn't surprise me a bit if MNW gets some help in that suspect secondary, from Central (where he was last year) or elsewhere, pretty soon.

More transfers?

[SLC93]

What? Dallas Carter embarrassed the comunity, the state and they were stripped of the state title as a result. MNW embarrassed the community, the state, covered up the Easterling deal and still has the trophy. Is that what your talking about?

Another important aspect that gets overlooked by outsiders is that the UIL acted immediately to resolve the Carter situation. It was alumni & parents that got the lawyers involved. The lawyers did their thing and Carter kept playing as a result. So people can throw Carter out there all they want but our governing body acted immediately & decisively to right that wrong. Litigation is what delayed justice & allowed that team to play. The same litigation that would have come to pass had MNW's season been suspended. Just like the Carter alumni back then, the MNW alumni would have lawyered up to keep their talented team in the championship hunt. So, please, spare me the Carter analogy.

[LoneRocket]

Another important aspect that gets overlooked by outsiders is that the UIL acted immediately to resolve the Carter situation. It was alumni & parents that got the lawyers involved. The lawyers did their thing and Carter kept playing as a result. So people can throw Carter out there all they want but our governing body acted immediately & decisively to right that wrong. Litigation is what delayed justice & allowed that team to play. The same litigation that would have come to pass had MNW's season been suspended. Just like the Carter alumni back then, the MNW alumni would have lawyered up to keep their talented team in the championship hunt. So, please, spare me the Carter analogy.

Yes and also the UIL handled other schools like Katy, Permian and I believe also Mesquite in 89.

[LoneRocket]

and thats the way it should be. most HS ball players will never play collge ball and of the ones who so most of them will never recieve a dime to play any level of pro ball. so if ur not in the top 1% of the top 1% of high school athletes whats ur backup plan. in TX we aim to make boys into men thrugh the great game of football. i guess thats just to hard to comprehend in other states (i.e. Florida)

Can't pass TAKS in Texas, this is what you can do.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/education/stories/khou070702_ac_failedtaks.36092dd6.html

[supercentex]

Yes and also the UIL handled other schools like Katy, Permian and I believe also Mesquite in 89.


And, Waco High in '87.

[SLC93]

Yes and also the UIL handled other schools like Katy, Permian and I believe also Mesquite in 89.

Exactly. No one ever said we haven't had issues in Texas. We have & we know it. The difference is the UIL, for better or worse, takes action & sets precedents. The grades scandal that Rolle was around for at Killian is so far beyond what happened at Carter. The comparisons just don't work. It's hard for me to say that because I have really strong feelings about the fraud that was Dallas Carter. They've decided to chase a title rather than change the culture with this hire, in my opinion.

[charlesrixey]

texas has the most high schools (somehow more than cali), more talent, more tradition, and a better system and governing body than any other state, by far

don't think there's anything else to discuss on that one

[pied]

Exactly. No one ever said we haven't had issues in Texas. We have & we know it. The difference is the UIL, for better or worse, takes action & sets precedents. The grades scandal that Rolle was around for at Killian is so far beyond what happened at Carter. The comparisons just don't work. It's hard for me to say that because I have really strong feelings about the fraud that was Dallas Carter. They've decided to chase a title rather than change the culture with this hire, in my opinion.

One thing I am reading here is that the fraud was done to ensure these athletes were eligible to play in college not HS. Am I understanding that correctly?

[SLC93]

One thing I am reading here is that the fraud was done to ensure these athletes were eligible to play in college not HS. Am I understanding that correctly?

That's the way I read it also. The NCAA initiated that investigation but if these kids were cheating to get eligible for college how confident are you that they were eligible to play in hs?

[pied]

That's the way I read it also. The NCAA initiated that investigation but if these kids were cheating to get eligible for college how confident are you that they were eligible to play in hs?

From what I understand about the FL rules, they do not have the same type of no pass no play, so unless that is incorrect, I would guess they were.

Could be wrong. Any FL guys out there to clarify?

[SLC93]

From what I understand about the FL rules, they do not have the same type of no pass no play, so unless that is incorrect, I would guess they were.

Could be wrong. Any FL guys out there to clarify?


Pied, I asked the same question last week on another thread and this is the answer that I got.

"Florida's eligiblity rule is very, very simple. If you have above a 2.0, which is a C average, you can play. If you fall below a 2.0, you cannot play. The trick is...it's your cumulative average...so if you're doing poorly for the quarter...you can still play if it hasn't brought your cumulative GPA below the 2.0 mark. Now, how "lenient" schools are with their grade dispersments is up to them. Being an F rated school means nothing as far as eligiblity goes...it's just about the cumu GPA.

I'll tell you this, in Florida, there are A LOT of schools that could field AMAZING football teams if their studs weren't ineligible. So, the ineligiblity thing does effect a lot of programs."

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[GBMonster76]

Pied, I asked the same question last week on another thread and this is the answer that I got.

"Florida's eligiblity rule is very, very simple. If you have above a 2.0, which is a C average, you can play. If you fall below a 2.0, you cannot play. The trick is...it's your cumulative average...so if you're doing poorly for the quarter...you can still play if it hasn't brought your cumulative GPA below the 2.0 mark. Now, how "lenient" schools are with their grade dispersments is up to them. Being an F rated school means nothing as far as eligiblity goes...it's just about the cumu GPA.

I'll tell you this, in Florida, there are A LOT of schools that could field AMAZING football teams if their studs weren't ineligible. So, the ineligiblity thing does effect a lot of programs."

www.gridironbrotherhood.com


The above is correct...I posted it awhile back. You must carry a cumulative 2.0 to play.

[GBMonster76]

What? Dallas Carter embarrassed the comunity, the state and they were stripped of the state title as a result. MNW embarrassed the community, the state, covered up the Easterling deal and still has the trophy. Is that what your talking about?

What I'm saying is the majority of schools in Texas and Florida run class programs, but there are a few bad apples that make the entire state look bad. So, I don't think the Miami Northwestern embarrassment should be a "Florida discussion" just like the Dallas Carter embarrassment shouldn't be a "Texas discussion." Both Florida and Texas are the two finest states for football at all levels in the country...bad apples are just life.

www.gridironbrotherhood.com

[SLC93]

The above is correct...I posted it awhile back. You must carry a cumulative 2.0 to play.

Yeah, I knew you had answered me when I threw that out. I'm not as skilled as others, so I just copy & pasted it from the other thread.:D

[SLC93]

What I'm saying is the majority of schools in Texas and Florida run class programs, but there are a few bad apples that make the entire state look bad. So, I don't think the Miami Northwestern embarrassment should be a "Florida discussion" just like the Dallas Carter embarrassment shouldn't be a "Texas discussion." Both Florida and Texas are the two finest states for football at all levels in the country...bad apples are just life.

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I think we're on the same page. For us in Texas, I think we get frustrated by the perceived lack of urgency the FHSAA displays when things pop up. Again, that's perceived because all most of us have to go on is newspapers & message boards. That can be a misleading combination. What we know is how the UIL acts, which is quickly,decisively & harshly. When we compare similar situations and the punishments given the perception can get ugly.

[Phoenixrising05]

What? Dallas Carter embarrassed the comunity, the state and they were stripped of the state title as a result. MNW embarrassed the community, the state, covered up the Easterling deal and still has the trophy. Is that what your talking about?

LOLOL

[RidgePride]

Pied, I asked the same question last week on another thread and this is the answer that I got.

"Florida's eligiblity rule is very, very simple. If you have above a 2.0, which is a C average, you can play. If you fall below a 2.0, you cannot play. The trick is...it's your cumulative average...so if you're doing poorly for the quarter...you can still play if it hasn't brought your cumulative GPA below the 2.0 mark. Now, how "lenient" schools are with their grade dispersments is up to them. Being an F rated school means nothing as far as eligiblity goes...it's just about the cumu GPA.

I'll tell you this, in Florida, there are A LOT of schools that could field AMAZING football teams if their studs weren't ineligible. So, the ineligiblity thing does effect a lot of programs."


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Is that cummulative for the year or since 9th grade? Also remember a 60 is passing in Florida.

Standards are much lower there.

[GBMonster76]

That's incorrect...70 is passing in Florida. You must have a 2.0 or C average. Now, the FCAT is different...I can't speak to that.

And, for the record, the FHSAA is terrible. It's one of the worst governing bodies in all of high school sports in America.

But, most of the programs in Florida are class programs...and Florida's private schools are fabulous...absolutely fabulous.

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[RidgePride]

That's incorrect...70 is passing in Florida. You must have a 2.0 or C average. Now, the FCAT is different...I can't speak to that.

And, for the record, the FHSAA is terrible. It's one of the worst governing bodies in all of high school sports in America.

But, most of the programs in Florida are class programs...and Florida's private schools are fabulous...absolutely fabulous.

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That is not true - Are you in Florida? I am getting my information from a teacher in Florida. He told me a 60 or D is still passing. No reason for him to lie to me.

Again - By cumulative does it mean for the year or cumulative since 9th grade?

[pied]

That is not true - Are you in Florida? I am getting my information from a teacher in Florida. He told me a 60 or D is still passing. No reason for him to lie to me.

Again - is the cumulative for the year or cumulative since 9th grade?

I believe that you may be talking about two different items. A "D" could be passing to be on track for a dimploma etc., but he has specifically mentioned that you have to have a 2.0 to remain eligible for sports.

A 2.0 normally equates to a "C" in most grading scales.

You could be required to have a higher than passing grade to be eligible for sports, whil still on pace to graduate etc.

Also curious to the time period involved. It would seem difficult to amke up for a poor freshman year for example.

[RidgePride]

I was talking about the lower standards for education - I threw that in as a side note - just to take a jab.

I would think that a 70 equals a 2.0 which would mean you would have to maintain a "C" average.

However, the teacher I am referring to taught High School in Florida as of two years ago. He said you only have to make a 60 to pass the course.

[pied]

I was talking about the lower standards for education - I threw that in as side note - just to take a jab.

I would think that a 70 equals a 2.0 which would mean you would have to maintain a "C" average.

However, the teacher I am referring to taught in Florida as of two years ago. He said you only have to make a 60 to pass the course.

Passing a course does not neccesarily mean being eligible for extracurricular activities.

Why the need for a jab? Seems to me like some good dialogue going on.

[SLC93]

I believe that you may be talking about two different items. A "D" could be passing to be on track for a dimploma etc., but he has specifically mentioned that you have to have a 2.0 to remain eligible for sports.

A 2.0 normally equates to a "C" in most grading scales.

You could be required to have a higher than passing grade to be eligible for sports, whil still on pace to graduate etc.

Also curious to the time period involved. It would seem difficult to amke up for a poor freshman year for example.

That makes sense and, believe it or not, there are still several states that use D's in their grading system. Kids that get off to a rough start sometimes do not see the field until their junior or even senior years from what I've read.

[RidgePride]

Passing a course does not neccesarily mean being eligible for extracurricular activities.

Why the need for a jab? Seems to me like some good dialogue going on.
PM

[pied]

PM

OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH another PM from RidgePride....

[SLC93]

Passing a course does not neccesarily mean being eligible for extracurricular activities.

Why the need for a jab? Seems to me like some good dialogue going on.

What about the part of Crew's decision that spoke about holding the athletes at MNW, and all his F rated schools, to a higher standard for athletic participation? He stated he would like to institute a policy where athletes at F rated schools would have to maintain a 2.5 rather than a 2.0 to be eligible. He said he was awaiting approval from the FHSAA to do this. Any further word on that? If implemented, I wonder how that will effect this MNW squad?

[pied]

What about the part of Crew's decision that spoke about holding the athletes at MNW, and all his F rated schools, to a higher standard for athletic participation? He stated he would like to institute a policy where athletes at F rated schools would have to maintain a 2.5 rather than a 2.0 to be eligible. He said he was awaiting approval from the FHSAA to do this. Any further word on that? If implemented, I wonder how that will effect this MNW squad?

No clue, but would be interested as well.

My point was that you can have a different definition for someone passing and someone eligible for extracurricular activities.

Do any of you old timers recall the outcry when D's were eliminated? '85 or so I think. Perot was not a liked guy. I was just getting into JH at the time, so my entire career we had it.

[RidgePride]

No clue, but would be interested as well.

My point was that you can have a different definition for someone passing and someone eligible for extracurricular activities.

Do any of you old timers recall the outcry when D's were eliminated? '85 or so I think. Perot was not a liked guy. I was just getting into JH at the time, so my entire career we had it.

You are just trying to be the Defender of the Message Boards like you always do. Anytime you think there is some injustice on the board here you come flying to the rescue like some rag tag message board super hero.

I never said that passing and being eligible were the same - I merely stated that the requirements for passing were lower than in TX. I never tried to compare Eligibility to passing standards.

DO YOU GET THAT SUPER PIED?????????????

KT's Note- Next time posting a pic like that will lead to a ban.

[nwbull]

It Amazes Me How Everyone Keeps Speaking Of Rudy Crew's Decision.first Of All This Is The Same Man Who Let The District Approve Easterling To Play,the Fhsaa President Sat An Watched And Did Nothing Because They All Knew Mnw Fan Base Brings $$$$$. So Now 7 Months Later The Grand Jury Gets Involved Now Mr Crew Decides Mnw Should Be Punished. Texas Fans Have Been Snowed On This One. Crew And Everyone Else Were Quiet On This Because This Was An Alltime Attendance Record For The State Championship Game.crew Should Have Resigned Because When Easterling Was Arrested It Was On Every News Station In Florida So Let's Stop Thinking Mr Crew Is So Great His Job Was On The Line.

[pied]

You are just trying to be the Defender of the Message Boards like you always do. Anytime you think there is some injustice on the board here you come flying to the rescue like some rag tag message board super hero.

I never said that passing and being eligible were the same - I merely stated that the requirements for passing were lower than in TX. I never tried to compare Eligibility to passing standards.

DO YOU GET THAT SUPER PIED?????????????

KT's Note- Next time posting a pic like that will lead to a ban.

super pied, I kind of like that.

I do apologize. The discussion was centered around what level of grade was required to keep athletes eligible to play. When you started talking about lower standards for passing classes I thought there was a disconnect.

I did not understand you knew what the answer was, but were just trying to take a shot, for fun I guess....

Makes sense now. Sorry for the confusion.

Sincerely

super pied

[nwbull]

I Always Stand Up For What I Believe In,i'm A Bull 4life.i Wish You Would Check The History Of Mnw You Will Find So Many Students Have Gone To Become Successful,i'm One Of Them And I Agree Mnw Needs Direction But If You Knew The Whole Story You Would Understand.for Instance Slc 79-1 Now What Happens When You Go 6-4 One Year.MNW FANS HAVE BEEN STRONG FOR 52 YEARS WIN OR LOOSE.

[SLC93]

It Amazes Me How Everyone Keeps Speaking Of Rudy Crew's Decision.first Of All This Is The Same Man Who Let The District Approve Easterling To Play,the Fhsaa President Sat An Watched And Did Nothing Because They All Knew Mnw Fan Base Brings $$$$$. So Now 7 Months Later The Grand Jury Gets Involved Now Mr Crew Decides Mnw Should Be Punished. Texas Fans Have Been Snowed On This One. Crew And Everyone Else Were Quiet On This Because This Was An Alltime Attendance Record For The State Championship Game.crew Should Have Resigned Because When Easterling Was Arrested It Was On Every News Station In Florida So Let's Stop Thinking Mr Crew Is So Great His Job Was On The Line.

It amazes me how you can jump on here once a month, read a few posts & make up a generalization to throw us in. You did this same thing on the thread about the MNW news last week. Go back a READ through what people are actually posting. Specifically on this thread, show me where one person said Crew is so great. You can't, so don't try.

[SLC93]

You are just trying to be the Defender of the Message Boards like you always do. Anytime you think there is some injustice on the board here you come flying to the rescue like some rag tag message board super hero.

I never said that passing and being eligible were the same - I merely stated that the requirements for passing were lower than in TX. I never tried to compare Eligibility to passing standards.

DO YOU GET THAT SUPER PIED?????????????

KT's Note- Next time posting a pic like that will lead to a ban.

:confused: You alright Pride? :confused:

[mse]

From http://www.miamiherald.com/620/story/167751.html

Unfortunately, there may not be many available or qualified options considering the time frame. Most coaches are already locked into their respective teams. Billy Rolle, who coached the Bulls to the 1998 state title, could have been an option had Wednesday's decision been made months ago. But Rolle left Miami Killian for Miami Central in February.

''I really don't want to comment,'' Rolle said. ``I probably would have been interested if I didn't have anything. But I'm here [at Centra] for right now.''

Rolle is worse than Todd Graham (Rice coach who left after 1 year and renegotiated his Rice contract while talking to Tulsa on his cell phone from the bathroom during negotiation breaks). Rolle has been at Central since February and is now leaving for Northwestern without even coaching a season? Honestly, is this school district now penalizing the Central players for Northwestern's mistakes? What is Central supposed to do for a coach? Clearly the district is sending the message that Northwestern's program is so important that it commands taking a coach from another school in the same ISD?

Note that wikipedia states "Central's Athletic Rival is Miami Northwestern High School."

The administration for Miami-Dade County Public Schools is a joke.

[SLC93]

From http://www.miamiherald.com/620/story/167751.html

Unfortunately, there may not be many available or qualified options considering the time frame. Most coaches are already locked into their respective teams. Billy Rolle, who coached the Bulls to the 1998 state title, could have been an option had Wednesday's decision been made months ago. But Rolle left Miami Killian for Miami Central in February.

''I really don't want to comment,'' Rolle said. ``I probably would have been interested if I didn't have anything. But I'm here [at Centra] for right now.''

Rolle is worse than Todd Graham (Rice coach who left after 1 year and renegotiated his Rice contract while talking to Tulsa on his cell phone from the bathroom during negotiation breaks). Rolle has been at Central since February and is now leaving for Northwestern without even coaching a season? Honestly, is this school district now penalizing the Central players for Northwestern's mistakes? What is Central supposed to do for a coach? Clearly the district is sending the message that Northwestern's program is so important that it commands taking a coach from another school in the same ISD?

Note that wikipedia states "Central's Athletic Rival is Miami Northwestern High School."

The administration for Miami-Dade County Public Schools is a joke.

If this hiring is official & actually get approved the message is clear. The school board, booster club & alumni are going on record as believing that winning a state title takes precedent over cleansing the culture of their school. They don't mind a little change as long as it doesn't mess with their super squad.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :puke :puke

[RidgePride]

:confused: You alright Pride? :confused:

Yeah I sent Pied a big FU note - He gets under my skin - I guess I should have controlled it better.

[drgnbkr]

Yeah I sent Pied a big FU note - He gets under my skin - I guess I should have controlled it better.

Were all afflicted with offseasonitis.....I'm sure ddaddy could prescribe something...:D

[SLC93]

Were all afflicted with offseasonitis.....I'm sure ddaddy could prescribe something...:D

Mmmmmmmm............prescription pads.:D

[farmerfan]

Were all afflicted with offseasonitis.....I'm sure ddaddy could prescribe something...:D

It's far from that. It's a state of "North Virginia" thing.

[KC88]

They handled Permian in 1990.

[SLC93]

They handled Permian in 1990.

:confused:

[farmerfan]

:confused:

Our Kentucky friend is talking about the UIL coming down on Permian for conducting practices too early. Permian finished 7-2-1 that year but DQ's their spot in the playoffs since OHS reported Permian to the UIL for illegal practices.
Thats not the worst. The worst was the 93 season. Permian had an awesome team that year but the UIL due to a player who transfered in from OHS, kicked Permian out of the playoffs after they had defeated Lubbock Coranado in the opening round of the playoffs.
The player in question was a backup lineme who saw limited playing time for Permian. OHS once again reported Permian and a shot at that 7th state title was never given to Permian. It was a shame because it deprived John Williams a long playoff run to add to his rushing record.

[pied]

Our Kentucky friend is talking about the UIL coming down on Permian for conducting practices too early. Permian finished 7-2-1 that year but DQ's their spot in the playoffs since OHS reported Permian to the UIL for illegal practices.

'90 Ironically was the one year from 88-91 that Lamar did not lose to Permian, and made it to the finals. We certainly would have beaten them in any case. I know that for a fact!!

Back to the topic, is this final?

Thinking about it, it creates a headache for the district's AD. You have a job opening at just about the worst time of the year. Simply shifting that opening to another school, that would appear to more difficult to fill form the outside would seem like you are protecting that school.

[ScottS]

So he's at Central "right now" as in today, but not tomorrow?

[SLC93]

Our Kentucky friend is talking about the UIL coming down on Permian for conducting practices too early. Permian finished 7-2-1 that year but DQ's their spot in the playoffs since OHS reported Permian to the UIL for illegal practices.
Thats not the worst. The worst was the 93 season. Permian had an awesome team that year but the UIL due to a player who transfered in from OHS, kicked Permian out of the playoffs after they had defeated Lubbock Coranado in the opening round of the playoffs.
The player in question was a backup lineme who saw limited playing time for Permian. OHS once again reported Permian and a shot at that 7th state title was never given to Permian. It was a shame because it deprived John Williams a long playoff run to add to his rushing record.

Thanks. Is it just me or did that come out of left field? I'm not the brightest crayon in the box so that one went right by me.:D

[TxAllDay]

Billy Rolle, according to posters on several Miami message boards. In case you missed my earlier post about him, here it is below. Glad to see MNW's commitment to integrity, if true.

"Also, weren't several of Coach Rolle's kids at Killian part of the famous group that the NY Times exposed for attending "University High", the pay-for-a-diploma mill that the NCAA helped eliminate, so that they could go play D1 football after they finished their HS football careers where they all had zero grades?

(Link Here (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/27/sports/ncaafootball/27school.html?ex=1290747600&en=7be09ef8cdd09a4e&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss)) if any of you are interested in more about that story.

Some select quotes:
(Demetrius Morley at Killian) received three F's that year and had a 2.09 grade point average in his core courses, giving him little hope of qualifying for a scholarship under National Collegiate Athletic Association guidelines.

In December of his senior year, Morley led Killian to the 2004 state title while taking a full course load. He also took seven courses at University High School, a local correspondence school, scoring all A's and B's. He graduated that December, not from Killian but from University High. His grade point average in his core courses was 2.75, precisely what he wound up needing to qualify for a scholarship."

"A four-member academic panel at Tennessee admitted Morley after sending an athletic department official to Miami to investigate University High. Morley has thrived on the field at Tennessee, but Philip Simpson has stumbled at Temple.

Simpson, a standout quarterback at Southridge High, said Wright had met with him and his parents and offered a sure alternative from high school to college, telling him: "You either stay there and bust your behind and hope and pray that at the end you don't get short-handed. Or you can do this."

He now says he lacks the educational skills for college. For a basic math class at Temple, Simpson said, he studied at least three hours every day, got help from tutors and met regularly with the professor. He still did not score higher than 53 out of 100 on any test."

"Florida's public schools require an exit examination for graduation, but private schools have no such requirement, and operate under a law that prohibits any state regulation. That allows University High to operate essentially unsupervised."

"Pat Herring, the interim admissions director at the University of Florida, looked into University High after admitting one of its graduates, Dane Guthrie, a former Killian tight end. "We found that University High School was kind of a storefront operation," Herring said. "It didn't seem to have much in the way of an academic program.""

University High School consists of two small rooms on the third floor of an office building wedged between a Starbucks and an animal hospital on Route 1 in south Miami. Inside are three desks, three employees and two framed posters from art museums on the wall.

Promotional brochures say diplomas can be earned in four to six weeks, with open-book exams, no classes and no timed tests. A diploma costs $399, no matter how many courses.

In paperwork filed with the state of Florida, the school says it has six teachers. None of the school's graduates interviewed, however, mentioned dealing with anyone besides Kinney, the current owner, and none said they had received any personal instruction.

University High, which has no classes and no educational accreditation, appears to have offered the players little more than a speedy academic makeover.

The man who founded University High School and owned it until last year, Stanley J. Simmons, served 10 months in a federal prison camp from 1989 to 1990 after pleading guilty to conspiracy to commit mail fraud for his involvement with a college diploma mill in Arizona. Among the activities Simmons acknowledged in court documents were awarding degrees without academic achievement and awarding degrees based on studies he was unqualified to evaluate.

In 2004, Simmons sold University High to Michael R. Kinney, its director. Kinney, 27, who was arrested on a marijuana possession charge in 2003 and is wanted on a bench warrant, declined to comment, despite requests by phone, fax and visits to his apartment.


Yet Wright is barred from Southridge, partly because he lured players to Killian and to University High. In January 2004, five football players left Southridge and later played crucial roles on Killian's state title team.

"He can't come into my building," Carzell J. Morris, the principal at Southridge, said. "Just for the fact he comes in and takes my kids out. Kids that could probably make it if they weren't looking for the easy way out."

Thirteen of the 38 seniors on Killian's 2004 state title team did not graduate with their class. Many, including Morley and Brooks, wound up at University High.

"How legitimate is it?" Otis Collier, the athletic director at Killian, said about Morley's improvement at University. "I don't know. I guess it's because of me. I probably should want to know, but I don't want to know. I don't want to know anything about it."


coach rolle actually had nuthing to do with that situation...
the "university high" thing was between the dude that was running the program and the parents of sum athletes...
it was strictly to help student get elegible to play COLLEGE BALL...
there were also players from south miami high, miami palmetto high, and miami southridge high that participated in that program...

it just so happens that demetrious morley was a star db on the 6a state champ that year so he got all the pub and the school and coach rolle got blamed when it was just a matter between the students, parents and the dude running the program...

[TxAllDay]

There were a lot of very talented kids that played under him at NW, and to be honest, they underachieved several seasons under Rolle even though a lot of people down there consider him to be a great coach. The talent down there really does seem to gravitate to him, if you know what I'm saying. And, if you don't know what I'm saying, go read the article I linked above and you'll figure it out. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if MNW gets some help in that suspect secondary, from Central (where he was last year) or elsewhere, pretty soon.



Rolle was at killian last year...
he just took the central job in the spring...
sux that he's leaving but thats just how it is sumtimes...
the only reason the ball players at edson left to go to the west, is because their coach cory bell got hired by randy shannon at the u...
edison and the west basically serve the same community, the schools are like 7 blocks away from 1 another...
also rolle is not an under achieving coach...
he was a consistant winner at miami killian, which if u dont know isnt in liberty city but in a sub-urb called kendall, and won a 6a title wit them and they have considerably less talent than the west has...

and Rolle is a Disciplinarian no nonsense randy shannon type who got upset with the way things were changing at the west so he parted ways wit them...
he's highly respected in the community...

[drgnbkr]

coach rolle actually had nuthing to do with that situation...
the "university high" thing was between the dude that was running the program and the parents of sum athletes...
it was strictly to help student get elegible to play COLLEGE BALL...
there were also players from south miami high, miami palmetto high, and miami southridge high that participated in that program...

it just so happens that demetrious morley was a star db on the 6a state champ that year so he got all the pub and the school and coach rolle got blamed when it was just a matter between the students, parents and the dude running the program...

Good freakin grief......:eek:

[LoneRocket]

Thanks. Is it just me or did that come out of left field? I'm not the brightest crayon in the box so that one went right by me.:D

Maybe another one?

http://www.oaoa.com/news/font_5116___article.html/breaking_size.html

[SLC93]

coach rolle actually had nuthing to do with that situation...
the "university high" thing was between the dude that was running the program and the parents of sum athletes...
it was strictly to help student get elegible to play COLLEGE BALL...
there were also players from south miami high, miami palmetto high, and miami southridge high that participated in that program...

it just so happens that demetrious morley was a star db on the 6a state champ that year so he got all the pub and the school and coach rolle got blamed when it was just a matter between the students, parents and the dude running the program...

If these players were so far off on college eligibility that they had to obtain fraudulent documents to get into a university, how were they ever eligible in high school? That's the issue with this guy, his kids & their grades as it relates to that scandal.

[TxAllDay]

If these players were so far off on college eligibility that they had to obtain fraudulent documents to get into a university, how were they ever eligible in high school? That's the issue with this guy, his kids & their grades as it relates to that scandal.

ALL U NEED IS TO MAINTAIN A C AVERAGE DURING THE SEASON TO BE ELEGIBLE...
THE KIDS HAD PROBLEMS IN SOME OF THEIR CORE CLASSES IE MATH SCIENCE AND ENGLISH, SO UNIVERSITY HIGH ELEVATED THEIR GRADES IN THAT AREA...
ITS ABOUT THE KIDS NOT GOIN THE JUCO/PREP SCHOOL ROUTE AND NOT NEEDING AN EXTRA SUMMER TO GRADUATE...
THE FOOTBALL COACH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT...
ROLLE HIMSELF WAS NOT INVOLVED WIT ANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO RAN THAT PROGRAM...
BUT IT DID HAPPEN UNDER HIS WATCH SO THAT DOES KINDA HOLD HIM SOMEWHAT RESPONSIBLE...
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT U GUYS ARE TALKIN ABOUT, BUT HE WAS NOT THE MASTERMIND BEHIND THIS, NOR WAS HE A KEY CONTRIBUTOR TO THE PROCESS...

[SLC93]

ALL U NEED IS TO MAINTAIN A C AVERAGE DURING THE SEASON TO BE ELEGIBLE...
THE KIDS HAD PROBLEMS IN SOME OF THEIR CORE CLASSES IE MATH SCIENCE AND ENGLISH, SO UNIVERSITY HIGH ELEVATED THEIR GRADES IN THAT AREA...
ITS ABOUT THE KIDS NOT GOIN THE JUCO/PREP SCHOOL ROUTE AND NOT NEEDING AN EXTRA SUMMER TO GRADUATE...
THE FOOTBALL COACH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT...
ROLLE HIMSELF WAS NOT INVOLVED WIT ANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO RAN THAT PROGRAM...
BUT IT DID HAPPEN UNDER HIS WATCH SO THAT DOES KINDA HOLD HIM SOMEWHAT RESPONSIBLE...
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT U GUYS ARE TALKIN ABOUT, BUT HE WAS NOT THE MASTERMIND BEHIND THIS, NOR WAS HE A KEY CONTRIBUTOR TO THE PROCESS...

No one is saying he was the mastermind of that situation. If a student had a true C average and could score over 700 on the SAT, his eligibility would not be in question & there would be no chance of something like that happening. I find it hard to believe that a player could be so far off those basic scholarship requirements & have been eligible during hs. If they were failing "core" classes consistently but kept their average at a C level it tells me one thing. The coaches & the academic advisors loaded their schedules with cream puff classes to keep the average up. How is that an improvement on the current MNW culture?

[GBMonster76]

SLC... we all wish, at least those of us who care about right and wrong...good and bad, for Liberty City and MNW to change for the good, but until the community as a whole changes...MNW won't change. They will always just be a collection of unbelievably talented athletes who play ball and that's it. It sucks, it's terrible, but it's life. Not all places can be like Southlake.

www.fastestfinishes.com

[drgnbkr]

SLC... we all wish, at least those of us who care about right and wrong...good and bad, for Liberty City and MNW to change for the good, but until the community as a whole changes...MNW won't change. They will always just be a collection of unbelievably talented athletes who play ball and that's it. It sucks, it's terrible, but it's life. Not all places can be like Southlake.

www.fastestfinishes.com

When I was growing up, I lived in Cypress Cove on Canyon Lake and went to school in New Braunfels. If Smithson Valley had been there I would have attended High School there. It was built in an area that had nothing but ranches and rural families that had been there for generations. It now is a fine High School with good academics and athletics, with the football team anually a top ten program. Nobody gave them anything..the community made it that way. I moved to Southlake in 92 and it was a rural suburb with acreage homes and a lot of the football team was also on the rodeo team. We had a 2 lane blacktop road, 1709, from one end of Southlake to the other and no grocery store. Southlake has become a wealthy suburb because achievers moved in and made it so. Nobody gave it to them, they made it that way. Is it possible for Liberty City to become a better community? Sure, but I doubt anyone will give it to them, nor should they. The citizens can start today making it better, one step at a time...by using good judgement, doing the right thing for their kids, working hard, and setting a good example for the following generations. Will it be easy? Hell no, but it can be done and the people who are there now are the only ones that can make it happen.

[TxAllDay]

When I was growing up, I lived in Cypress Cove on Canyon Lake and went to school in New Braunfels. If Smithson Valley had been there I would have attended High School there. It was built in an area that had nothing but ranches and rural families that had been there for generations. It now is a fine High School with good academics and athletics, with the football team anually a top ten program. Nobody gave them anything..the community made it that way. I moved to Southlake in 92 and it was a rural suburb with acreage homes and a lot of the football team was also on the rodeo team. We had a 2 lane blacktop road, 1709, from one end of Southlake to the other and no grocery store. Southlake has become a wealthy suburb because achievers moved in and made it so. Nobody gave it to them, they made it that way. Is it possible for Liberty City to become a better community? Sure, but I doubt anyone will give it to them, nor should they. The citizens can start today making it better, one step at a time...by using good judgement, doing the right thing for their kids, working hard, and setting a good example for the following generations. Will it be easy? Hell no, but it can be done and the people who are there now are the only ones that can make it happen.


the economics in tx and fl are totally different.
the economic situation in miami is not what u would expect if u look at tv and celebs all over south beach...
there's a reason they made the video game VICE CITY "liberty city stories"...
its hard down there, i know cuz i grew up in miami and i knew once u went into liberty city anything could happen to you...
its a very low economic area and the job market in south fl is piss poor even for people with degrees, so i couldnt imagine how it is if u are essentially "trapped" by reality and have to live there as a last resort...
the people who live there have been there for generations and mnw/miami edison/ miami central/ miami springs/ booker t washington and hialeah high is where u make it or break it and unfortunately many people break it and become another statistic of the streets...

whats probably gonna end up happenin in the next 20 years is that rich people will start buying up the property and the people who are there will move sumwhere else and keep livin the same crazy lifestyle they are accustomed too.

[drgnbkr]

the economics in tx and fl are totally different.
the economic situation in miami is not what u would expect if u look at tv and celebs all over south beach...
there's a reason they made the video game VICE CITY "liberty city stories"...
its hard down there, i know cuz i grew up in miami and i knew once u went into liberty city anything could happen to you...
its a very low economic area and the job market in south fl is piss poor even for people with degrees, so i couldnt imagine how it is if u are essentially "trapped" by reality and have to live there as a last resort...
the people who live there have been there for generations and mnw/miami edison/ miami central/ miami springs/ booker t washington and hialeah high is where u make it or break it and unfortunately many people break it and become another statistic of the streets...

whats probably gonna end up happenin in the next 20 years is that rich people will start buying up the property and the people who are there will move sumwhere else and keep livin the same crazy lifestyle they are accustomed too.


I know full well it is easy to say and hard to do..but they've got to start someday making things better for themselves.

[SLC93]

When I was growing up, I lived in Cypress Cove on Canyon Lake and went to school in New Braunfels. If Smithson Valley had been there I would have attended High School there. It was built in an area that had nothing but ranches and rural families that had been there for generations. It now is a fine High School with good academics and athletics, with the football team anually a top ten program. Nobody gave them anything..the community made it that way. I moved to Southlake in 92 and it was a rural suburb with acreage homes and a lot of the football team was also on the rodeo team. We had a 2 lane blacktop road, 1709, from one end of Southlake to the other and no grocery store. Southlake has become a wealthy suburb because achievers moved in and made it so. Nobody gave it to them, they made it that way. Is it possible for Liberty City to become a better community? Sure, but I doubt anyone will give it to them, nor should they. The citizens can start today making it better, one step at a time...by using good judgement, doing the right thing for their kids, working hard, and setting a good example for the following generations. Will it be easy? Hell no, but it can be done and the people who are there now are the only ones that can make it happen.

Well said Bkr :) No red lights on 1709 or 114, had to go to Grapevine for grocieries! I remember when the Movies 8 opened in Grapevine & we no loger had to drive to NE Mall to see a movie!

[ScottS]

I remember the Grapevine 8. Its now Uncle Julio's.

[SLC93]

I remember the Grapevine 8. Its now Uncle Julio's.

If it had to go at least it a Julios!:D I knew they were remodeling it but I couldn't remember what was going in.