SLC or ET - Who has the high powered offence

[toonman]

I looked at the stats for the 'big' wins by both these highly ranked teams. Southlake Carroll won by a margin of 31 points and Euless Trinity by 34, but when you at the numbers, I know which one represents a high powered offense and which looks nothing special.

1st Downs: 32 for SLC - 18 for ET
Rushing: 43 for 337 Yards for SLC - 37 for 296 for ET
Pass: 215 for SLC - 82 for ET
C/A/I: 17-24-0 for SLC - 6-11-1 for ET

We know what SLC can do with their high powered spread offense, I feel that while ET are playing great, they have not really been tested by a high octane spread offense.

[CoppellCowboy57]

they might face one low octain spread offense against bell...but who knows...After seeing both teams play, ET, is much much more high powerd then Coppell...Nancy is the real deal

[myround0]

they might face one low octain spread offense against bell...but who knows...After seeing both teams play, ET, is much much more high powerd then Coppell...Nancy is the real deal

I take it you are going off of the game both Carroll and Trinity have in common, which is versus Coppell...I think Coppell's first game was Carroll. Trinity put a defensive clinic on last night...first off I am not a Trinity fan...but I think Trinity showed they can score, take time off the clock and also shut a team down...At this point since the debate is Trinity and SLC, I would have to go with Euless Trinity...however, I think it would be wrong to not add the Lobos in this conversation, but If it is Triniy and SLC exclusively, then I have to go Trinity.

[LeanderLions3033]

I'd say SLC has the more high powered offense, but ET has the better defense.

[dragons08]

well ET can have the better "offence" i dont know what that is, but SLC has the better OFFENSE

[Shoot2thrill]

Your question was who has the high powered offence (offense)?

They BOTH do. They both are a defensive coordinator's NIGHTMARE to defend. :eek: The reason that I think Trinity's offense is more effective is that they are the better rushing team. I think they can control the clock better with their style of offense as opposed to SLC's quick strike O. SLC's defense has taken a lot of flack on this board because of the points and yards they give up. Well, they spend a lot of time out on the field because their O scores often and repeatedly. I think by the end of the regular season, you will see they both will have similar offensive point production but Trinity's D numbers will be far better than SLC's. :cool:

[dragons08]

slc had some longer drives, some 4 min drives, this year it seems we dont have as many "huge plays" like last year that have those quick strikes, like offense comes out onto the field and bam first play daniel hits renfro for 70 yd td, this year it seems were getting a lot more first downs, i recall we had the ball longer then fridge last night

[SLC13]

Seems like we've had a thread like this every week declaring one team or the other to be state champion based on the euphoria of the latest game. So even though it's very early to do a good analysis, maybe it's time to look at the data........Here the latest after 4 games, hot off the DMN website:

OFF.......Rush......Pass......AvgYPG.........APPG
SLC........874.......1233.......526.8...........47 .5
ET.........1378........557.......483.8..........46 .5

DEF.......Rush......Pass......AvgYPG.........APPG
SLC........569.......428........249.2...........18 .3
ET.........667........501.......292.0...........14 .5

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/stats/HSFB-leaders-Dallas5A.html

I'm not sure that you can form any solid conclusion at this point, except that on paper it would a great matchup of two pretty solid teams. :)

[SLC13]

I take it you are going off of the game both Carroll and Trinity have in common, which is versus Coppell...I think Coppell's first game was Carroll. Trinity put a defensive clinic on last night...first off I am not a Trinity fan...but I think Trinity showed they can score, take time off the clock and also shut a team down...At this point since the debate is Trinity and SLC, I would have to go with Euless Trinity...however, I think it would be wrong to not add the Lobos in this conversation, but If it is Triniy and SLC exclusively, then I have to go Trinity.

MR0, I don't know why DMN doesn't carry LV stats, but if you have a good source I can add them to the comparison.

[BigFanSLC]

SLC showed last night that they can run in place of the pass if they need or want to. something like 300 + rushing for the Dragons. seems to me that the Offense is clicking pretty well for the Dragons.
if ET and SLC played i say the outcome would be....
SLC- 21
ET-17

[Shoot2thrill]

I'm not sure that you can form any solid conclusion at this point, except that on paper it would a great matchup of two pretty solid teams. :)

Absolutely correct. You can't get anything from those stats unless they had played all common opponents. I think thay have 2 common opponents to this point. I also think that Trinity has a slight edge on schedule difficulty to this point. :cool:

[drgnbkr]

Every year there is someone around here to contrast Carroll with...this year it's Trinity....All I'll add is that anyone who thinks Trinity's Defense is superior has'nt seen Carroll play..but we'll just keep that a secret......maybe they will get a chance to hook up in the playoffs...

[da wiz]

ive seen carroll play, and yes I DO think trinity has a better d,,,,,,,,
now on offense, carroll has probabily the best in the state,,,,,,,
and last night 24 pts to fossil ridge,,,,,,,hmmmmm..

trinity may not give up 24 pts in district..........

[drgnbkr]

ive seen carroll play, and yes I DO think trinity has a better d,,,,,,,,
now on offense, carroll has probabily the best in the state,,,,,,,
and last night 24 pts to fossil ridge,,,,,,,hmmmmm..

trinity may not give up 24 pts in district..........

Everyone has an opinion..but the kids may get a chance to settle it..who knows?

[RidgePride]

I looked at the stats for the 'big' wins by both these highly ranked teams. Southlake Carroll won by a margin of 31 points and Euless Trinity by 34, but when you at the numbers, I know which one represents a high powered offence and which looks nothing special.

1st Downs: 32 for SLC - 18 for ET
Rushing: 43 for 337 Yards for SLC - 37 for 296 for ET
Pass: 215 for SLC - 82 for ET
C/A/I: 17-24-0 for SLC - 6-11-1 for ET

We know what SLC can do with their high powered spread offence, I feel that while ET are playing great, they have not really been tested by a high octane spread offence.
Stupid comparison
means nothing. It is quite possible that ET had the games put away by halftime so the 2nd team got extra playing time.

[farmerfan]

Everyone has an opinion..but the kids may get a chance to settle it..who knows?


Looking ahead, would you say the chances are good that Grapevine and Ryan make the playoffs? if i remember reading on here, isn't that the scenario it would take for both ET and SLC to meet in round 1?

If that is the case, it would sicken me, not that I dont want to see those two meet, but that is no way to reward a team for having a great season, only to meet in the 1st round of the playoffs. I remember in 96, we finished 10-0, and our reward was a 10-0 Duncanville team in the 1st round of the playoffs. O well, still plenty of football left to be played between now and november.

[RidgePride]

Looking ahead, would you say the chances are good that Grapevine and Ryan make the playoffs? if i remember reading on here, isn't that the scenario it would take for both ET and SLC to meet in round 1?

If that is the case, it would sicken me, not that I dont want to see those two meet, but that is no way to reward a team for having a great season, only to meet in the 1st round of the playoffs. I remember in 96, we finished 10-0, and our reward was a 10-0 Duncanville team in the 1st round of the playoffs. O well, still plenty of football left to be played between now and november.
Grapevine will not make the playoffs

It will be

SLC
DR
Heritage

[farmerfan]

Grapevine will not make the playoffs

It will be

SLC
DR
Heritage

i usually dont take people's word, but you have called some things pretty accurate this year, so i'll take your word on that. You also think Heritage is going to beat SLC right? when is that game?

[drgnbkr]

i usually dont take people's word, but you have called some things pretty accurate this year, so i'll take your word on that. You also think Heritage is going to beat SLC right? when is that game?

This coming Friday night @ Grapevene / Colleyville Stadium...Carroll will roll em up...

[Sloth]

If you want to compare offenses you must compare schedules and I would say Trinities was and will be more difficult. And even w/ this schedule they are performing better than Carroll. The scary thing is the punishing way they do it when compaired. But at last they will never meet. For Grapevine will not make the playoffs. So we will be forever debating on who would win with absolutely no answer in sight.

[CoppellCowboy57]

Every year there is someone around here to contrast Carroll with...this year it's Trinity....All I'll add is that anyone who thinks Trinity's Defense is superior has'nt seen Carroll play..but we'll just keep that a secret......maybe they will get a chance to hook up in the playoffs...

ive seen Carroll play and ive seen Trinity play, Carrolls Defense isnt as good as Trinitys...enough said...

[RidgePride]

i usually dont take people's word, but you have called some things pretty accurate this year, so i'll take your word on that. You also think Heritage is going to beat SLC right? when is that game?


I have been lucky so far on predictions.
I make it a point to go to a high school game a week so that I see a lot of different teams.
I even went to scrimmages this year. I saw about 5 different teams including Lamar.
When the playoffs start, I get to Texas stadium at the start of the first game and stay until the last one.

I have done this for several years now.

The Heritage beating Carroll thing is a stretch, I went out on a limb because I felt Carroll was slightly down and Heritage is much improved.

[SLC13]

..........trinity may not give up 24 pts in district.

24 points in 6 more games?? I think you might be getting just a little carrried away there, wiz......We'll have to check this prediction out in week 10.

[farmerfan]

I have been lucky so far on predictions.
I make it a point to go to a high school game a week so that I see a lot of different teams.
I even went to scrimmages this year. I saw about 5 different teams including Lamar.
When the playoffs start, I get to Texas stadium at the start of the first game and stay until the last one.

I have done this for several years now.

The Heritage beating Carroll thing is a stretch, I went out on a limb because I felt Carroll was slightly down and Heritage is much improved.


man up till this year I was the same way, but im trying like hell to get through with school this semester so my friday's are usually spent with a espanol tutor. However once playoffs get here, ill be back in action, I think the record for me in one weekend was seeing roughly 6.5 games, no place better to be than Texas Stadium in November.

[CoppellCowboy57]

man up till this year I was the same way, but im trying like hell to get through with school this semester so my friday's are usually spent with a espanol tutor. However once playoffs get here, ill be back in action, I think the record for me in one weekend was seeing roughly 6.5 games, no place better to be than Texas Stadium in November.

I agree, no place on earth better to be then TX Stadium in November, man...i wish i would be able to see some of these games...

[drgnbkr]

I agree, no place on earth better to be then TX Stadium in November, man...i wish i would be able to see some of these games...

When do you head out Cowboy?

[CoppellCowboy57]

When do you head out Cowboy?

21 days...3 weeks today...Oct 17th...but my last day of posting is Oct 16th

[drgnbkr]

21 days...3 weeks today...Oct 17th...but my last day of posting is Oct 16th

I was out working on some property near Bridgeport yesterday & a Marine came jogging down the county road in full camo fatigue uniform...it was HOT!I asked him if he needed any water & he said no sir..I thanked him for his service as he jogged on by & he said "your welcome sir"..I thank you for yours Cowboy..be safe...

[c-lisle]

MR0, I don't know why DMN doesn't carry LV stats, but if you have a good source I can add them to the comparison.


Longview - Averaging 407 yds offense and 139 yds defense. This is only through non district. We held Mesquite to 97 yds total offense.

[c-lisle]

Seems like we've had a thread like this every week declaring one team or the other to be state champion based on the euphoria of the latest game. So even though it's very early to do a good analysis, maybe it's time to look at the data........Here the latest after 4 games, hot off the DMN website:

OFF.......Rush......Pass......AvgYPG.........APPG
SLC........874.......1233.......526.8...........47 .5
ET.........1378........557.......483.8..........46 .5

DEF.......Rush......Pass......AvgYPG.........APPG
SLC........569.......428........249.2...........18 .3
ET.........667........501.......292.0...........14 .5

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/stats/HSFB-leaders-Dallas5A.html

I'm not sure that you can form any solid conclusion at this point, except that on paper it would a great matchup of two pretty solid teams. :)

I am in awe of SLCs passing game. It scares me to think Lview will have to beat them to get ring this year. At the same time I hope we can get the chance to take a shot at them. Our D may be our strenth this year, which is saying alot. We have been very good defending the pass and run but have not faced a team with the talent of SLC or that can execute like them. I think our run game is good enough to control the clock against any team, which would be the key to beating SLC. This is a long ways off so I guess we'll see how it shakes out.

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

A snowball in purgatory would have better luck than Trinity and SLC playing each other in the playoffs. Trinity will definitely go to Division I and SLC will probably go to Division II. Too many "if's" for SLC to go to Division I.

______________________
Trinity Trojan Fan For Life

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

Trinity and SLC have played two common opponents.

Trinity - Midland Lee 63-34
SLC - Midland Lee 48-25

Trinity - Coppell 34-0
SLC - Coppell 56-24

Trinity Total Points - 97
Opponents Points - 34

SLC Total Points - 104
Opponents Points - 48

No way would Trinity's defense let SLC score that many points - a stat that has to be considered in the equation of who has the high powered offense.

[dragonsdaddy]

Trinity and SLC have played two common opponents.

Trinity - Midland Lee 63-34
SLC - Midland Lee 48-25

Trinity - Coppell 34-0
SLC - Coppell 56-24

Trinity Total Points - 97
Opponents Points - 34

SLC Total Points - 104
Opponents Points - 48

No way would Trinity's defense let SLC score that many points - a stat that has to be considered in the equation of who has the high powered offense.
those same sentiments have been typed many, many times the last 4 years, and rarely have they been accurate. et may be one of the most impressive teams of the year so far, and they might have the formula for slowing down the dragons, but alas we'll probably never know.

[ALLIN]

And no way would SLC let trinity score that many points. I think 35 is the most points put on SLC in over 3 years, I could be wrong, but I think it was to Haltom, last year. The defense plays as good as they have to, plain and simple. If the O only scores 10 then we hold them to 9, get the picture? Outscore the opponent!

[KT2000]

I wouldn't want to game plan to deal with either of these offenses. Talk about sleepless nights. No thanks.

The styles are very different, but both of these teams just put points on the board in a hurry. It will take a very special effort to beat either of these teams now or later in the year.

[SLCDad]

Trinity and SLC have played two common opponents.

Trinity - Midland Lee 63-34
SLC - Midland Lee 48-25

Trinity - Coppell 34-0
SLC - Coppell 56-24

Trinity Total Points - 97
Opponents Points - 34

SLC Total Points - 104
Opponents Points - 48

No way would Trinity's defense let SLC score that many points - a stat that has to be considered in the equation of who has the high powered offense.The real question is NOT who played the best in the pre-district games but who is playing the best in the playoffs. The comparative stats for ET and SLC are both impressive, but so what! They count for nothing. The really good teams will improve week to week and peak in weeks 14-16. No doubt, Trinity has been impressive in their first four games. However, they will need to keep improving or they won't win the only trophy that really counts. SLC needs to do the same.

I don't know if Trinity is improving week to week, but SLC is doing just that. Week 4 showed the best all-around offense so far. The running game exploded for around 350 yards. The passing game has been strong all year and with 8 great receivers they haven't missed the #1 guy, Clint Renfrow, very much. Clint will be back at full strength which will take the deep threat to a new level. The kicking game has gotten better and better. Ortega has been impressive with several long FGs (the longest being 50 yards) and 3-4 kick-offs out of the end zone last week. The punting has not been bad. The defense has been awesome at times but not consistently awesome.

Trinity needs to focus on the prize at the end and not get all wound up in their performance so far. At this moment they are not good enough to win it all but if they keep improving they have as good a shot as anyone.

[DragonFan]

After the SLC/Midland Lee game, the coach of Midland Lee stated that he could not believe how many plays SLC had at the half. He stated that it simply worn his team out trying to stay up with the Dragons for a full game. The tempo of the game was more than his players were used to. I think that is the one element that most people do not look at when discussing the Dragons. It is not time of possestion but number of plays!

[SLCDad]

After the SLC/Midland Lee game, the coach of Midland Lee stated that he could not believe how many plays SLC had at the half. He stated that it simply worn his team out trying to stay up with the Dragons for a full game. The tempo of the game was more than his players were used to. I think that is the one element that most people do not look at when discussing the Dragons. It is not time of possestion but number of plays!It's been posted many times that SLC scores fast so the defense is on the field a lot. SLC rarely wins the time of possession comparison. A subtle addition to this point is that SLC can (and often does) run the offense very, very quickly. They sometimes start the next play almost before the defense is re-set. They run the hurry up offense as a weapon when there is otherwise no need to hurry.

[drgnbkr]

After the SLC/Midland Lee game, the coach of Midland Lee stated that he could not believe how many plays SLC had at the half. He stated that it simply worn his team out trying to stay up with the Dragons for a full game. The tempo of the game was more than his players were used to. I think that is the one element that most people do not look at when discussing the Dragons. It is not time of possestion but number of plays!

They were a little better prepared this season..last year in the dome they were dead in the 1st quarter....it's a tough pace to deal with, especially if you don't have depth on D, or a shut down corner...

[stillatrinityfan]

Im leaving for Basic Training on Oct 17 2005
Last day of posting is Oct 16

Hey Coppell Cowboy!

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This is my first post, but I wanted to tell you good luck and stay strong during boot camp, it will all be worth it on Graduation day.