SLC @ Colleyville Heritage

[Octoberfest]

Game featuring 5-5A's two undefeated teams coming up.

[dragons08]

SLC takes it, i dont think heritage will be able to handle us, now that our running game is alive again, its back to pick your poison

[drgnbndfan35]

I went to Heritage's homecoming, and I was impressed with the quarterback, Ponder. But it takes more than one great player to form an upset, especially against a State champ. Although I think CHS looks good, they aren't perfect, so I see SLC taking it, 35-14

[dragons08]

I went to Heritage's homecoming, and I was impressed with the quarterback, Ponder. But it takes more than one great player to form an upset, especially against a State champ. Although I think CHS looks good, they aren't perfect, so I see SLC taking it, 35-14
35-14 thats a pretty guesstimate on the score, speaking of chs, does carroll go by CSHS, or CHS? or both? varisty being cshs, and subvaristy being chs?

[drgnbndfan35]

Officially it's CSHS, for varsity, CHS for subvarsity. I actually meant CHHS* my mistake :-\

[DragonFan]

The game will be played across State Hiway 26 from Dragon Stadium at Pather/Mustang Stadium in Grapevine. The two stadiums are so close that the announces at Dragon Stadium can actually see the Panther/Mustang Score board with a pair of spotters glasses.

I think that the SLC offense will put too much pressure on Heritages. I believe it will be close but when the finnal whistle is blown it will be another SLC victory by 30+ points.

[dragons08]

i just noticed, we dont have like one reciver whos the main guy, mckay obviously is the stats leader, but not the "player of the game" every game, theres like a diff guy every week, thats featured, diff style and hes burns the otehr team, mckay is big every game, but you guys know what i mean? its like each reciver has a diff trait that works better against this defense and what not

[southlake thug]

Yeah it is becasue we have so many different threats. It has been said so many times are here, the SLC recievers are ridiculously deep.

What do you guys think about Ford playing a little CB last night? I thought he did a pretty good job overall.

[da wiz]

i would rather see him at wr, but you do whats best for the team,,
right???????????

[southlake thug]

Well when we have at least 8 deep at WR... and a shortage of DB's.. then why not. It will be interesting to see what they do next year with that decision though.

[bhs06]

Colleyville's first 4 opponents this year that they have won against have all been bad teams. I'm sure if we had the same schedule we'd be 4-0 too.

Cedar Hill(ok but not great)
Mansfield(sucks)
Martin(sucks)
Richland(sucks)

They will be in for a rude awakening on Friday. Carroll wins it 55-17

[drgnbkr]

We've never been able to get a good rivalry going with Heritage..I don't know why..there good neighbors and all, lot's of great soccer games and volleyball, but not football...

[dragons08]

Well when we have at least 8 deep at WR... and a shortage of DB's.. then why not. It will be interesting to see what they do next year with that decision though.
riley had some nice catches at wr, i was surprised to see him play WR

[drgnbkr]

riley had some nice catches at wr, i was surprised to see him play WR

Daniel played it all season his soph year...he was bigger and better able to take a hit though...

[RidgePride]

Colleyville's first 4 opponents this year that they have won against have all been bad teams. I'm sure if we had the same schedule we'd be 4-0 too.

Cedar Hill(ok but not great)
Mansfield(sucks)
Martin(sucks)
Richland(sucks)

They will be in for a rude awakening on Friday. Carroll wins it 55-17
yes Heritage has played a sucky schedule so far but that does not mean they are not good.

If Carroll wins it, it will be more like 33-21
I am predicting the upset though.

[drgnbkr]

Heritage would have to find a new defense to pull that score off..

[CoppellCowboy57]

I going on a limb and saying...upset

[drgnbkr]

I going on a limb and saying...upset

Cowboy, I think you've been out jogging in the heat...your going wobbly!. :D

[dragons08]

yes Heritage has played a sucky schedule so far but that does not mean they are not good.

If Carroll wins it, it will be more like 33-21
I am predicting the upset though.
didnt you say upset pulled by fridge..

[dragons08]

I going on a limb and saying...upset
didnt you say coppell would beat us?? and that coppell could possibly beat trinity? and now this...i thought you didnt start training for another to weeks, they got you working hard already

[drgnbkr]

didnt you say coppell would beat us?? and that coppell could possibly beat trinity? and now this...i thought you didnt start training for another to weeks, they got you working hard already

It's ok..he's just frustrated with his CCowboys...

[CoppellCowboy57]

didnt you say coppell would beat us?? and that coppell could possibly beat trinity? and now this...i thought you didnt start training for another to weeks, they got you working hard already


no no...i said it was possible, but very unlikly that Coppell would beat trinity, I also said that Coppell would lose to slc, by 21 points

[rich_pack]

SLC wins by at least 30+, in this easy district. I wish they would mix the districts up a little up here, it gets boring seeing the same teams every year make it usually in the same places as last year. This district and the Dallas Carter district are very easy opponents for them. Its pretty sad when you can allready count yourselves into the playoffs before even playing.

[drgnbkr]

SLC wins by at least 30+, in this easy district. I wish they would mix the districts up a little up here, it gets boring seeing the same teams every year make it usually in the same places as last year. This district and the Dallas Carter district are very easy opponents for them. Its pretty sad when you can allready count yourselves into the playoffs before even playing.

I guess it's what you do after district play that counts.....everyone looks at other districts and thinks they are easier than theirs....it's all subjective, but the playoffs seperate the truth from the BS...all the good teams then come to the quarters & semis..no way to get around that fact

[rich_pack]

Not the case when you had that old district 12-5a, when Lufkin, Longview, Tyler Lee, and John Tyler were together. They were so beat-up playing each other two times, that by the time they made it to the playoffs, theywere worn flat out. That makes a difference no matter what people say. Three of the four of them in the top 10 in points having to beat up on each other is huge.

[BAMF cowboy]

let people predict upsets all they want, after we win again on friday, they'll just predict them again. predictions, analysis, it's all good fun, but they don't score touchdowns

[RidgePride]

didnt you say upset pulled by fridge..
never said that.
I predicted a worse beating than actually occured.

[dragons08]

let people predict upsets all they want, after we win again on friday, they'll just predict them again. predictions, analysis, it's all good fun, but they don't score touchdowns
exactly, everyone wants to see the "big dog" go down, untill that happens, people will keep talking

[bhs06]

Anyone who thinks CH will beat SLC is insane.

[DragonFan]

It is true that on any given day any team can beat the another team. However after seeing the offense of SLC start to click like it did on Friday, I will have to say that the historical way that SLC plays is alive and well. Put points on the board everytime you have the ball and let the defense clean up as the other team has to change its game plan to try to catch up!

SLC will win by 30+.

[LoneStarProud]

I am hopeful for a Dragon win but I think Colleyville may surprise some
folks. I think maybe I'm getting nervous because of the confidence that
could turn into overconfidence and overlook a team like Colleyville. I
know Dodge is great when it comes to mental preparation but...
How long can the streak go? SLC still has it going on but is there
any of you Dragon fans (which I am) out there that feel the chemestry
is not as potent as it should be?

[drgnbkr]

I don't know about the chemistry, but with the 3rd QB in 4 years, the Dragons keep rolling up the opponents with larger margins....this years team is doing it without, for the most part, Clint Renfro, who has been nicked up. The receiver depth is incredible, and Riley has been able to get lots of work every third series. They are working a Soph RB into the system with good success. The D is obviously improved overall, and the kicking game is solid. They have exceeded even the Dragons high expectations. Anything can happen, but so far, so great...

[ALLIN]

The Dragons have not been overconfident in alot of games, why start now. Colleyville will be good, but not good enough. Why does the streak ever have to end??

[DragonFan]

There were signs of overconfidence and of a cocky attitude when SLC played Plano East. I was very frustrated with what I saw. There were a lot of unsportmanlike conduct penalties, missed assignments, procedure calls, very un SLC like.

However, that changed with the win over Fossil Ridge! The Panthers were one of the toughest games last year and played hard this year. I though Hal Wassen (fridges coach) had his team ready to play, but were overmatched by the Dragons. it was a classic SLC win with the offense scoring everytime they had the ball and forcing the opponent to play catch up. A slight negative was Riley Dodges looking to run first when he should have been passing. I do not think he had one pass completed and only threw 1 or 2.

[LoneStarProud]

The Dragons have not been overconfident in alot of games, why start now. Colleyville will be good, but not good enough. Why does the streak ever have to end??

Don't get me wrong. I definitly don't want it to end and it may not for quite
some time. Who know's, this could be another 16-0 year. The odds are stacked against it however. I also say in the same breath that I've seen
the Dragons defy the odds before. Just humor me...I think that I'm trying
to prepare myself so when it does happen, I won't be suicidle.

[DragonFan]

One streak ended when Katy beat SLC by 1 in 2003. But since that time another sreak has started. The first streak was 31-0, lets hope the next one is at least 32-0. For the lack of 1 point the Dragons could be 52-0 with a three peat of state championships. I guess we will have to settle for 51-1 with 2 out of 3 state championships (so far). :rolleyes:

All streaks will come to an end sometime. Lou Gerhig could not play, and Cal Ripkin Jr finnaly wanted out too. Ledbetters teams finnally lost. Coach Hill from SV had never lost to the same coach twice until last year when Dodge beat him again for the State Championship. Longview might beat Lufkin, and the Texas Rangers will finnish better than 4th. Last year the California team lost for the first time in 100+ games. All streaks come to an end but lets enjoy this one as long as we can!

[dragonfly]

I thought it was interesting that every time McElroy was in the game there were a lot of open receivers, but when Riley was in the game everyone was covered. I think his athleticism got the best of him Friday night.

[southlake thug]

No. There were open recievers when Riley was in, he just didn't wait for anything to develop, or he waited to long. His first option is to run, and if that isn't open, then he will pass.

I think after the Midland Lee game I said the same thing. Defense's are starting to key in on Riley running and he is not able to run like he previously did.

[dragonfly]

It sure was nice to have Buford back in the lineup. With Buford in there, the starting center in the previous game went back to his original position. I think it made a huge difference in the Dragon's running game. It also helped that Newton was back there. I'm going to say it again, Newton should not come off of the field until the game is in hand. He sure looked good Friday night.

[DragonFan]

I think the speed of the game is hurting Riley at the moment. He will get better but he needs to know that the bread and butter of SLC is the pass with great running coming because everyone is afraid of the pass! If they know you are going to run then why bother defending the pass.

I will also note that maybe his lack of height hurt him seeing the field over the big lineman. Not a knock just an observation.

[southlake thug]

It sure was nice to have Buford back in the lineup. With Buford in there, the starting center in the previous game went back to his original position. I think it made a huge difference in the Dragon's running game. It also helped that Newton was back there. I'm going to say it again, Newton should not come off of the field until the game is in hand. He sure looked good Friday night.


I think this is easily the best the O-Line has played this year. And much of that has to be contributed to Buford. He is a big time player, and will help the running game to a great extent. And Tre really did look solid on Friday. He has progressed each game. You can see him starting to feel more comfortable in the backfield.

[c-lisle]

Not the case when you had that old district 12-5a, when Lufkin, Longview, Tyler Lee, and John Tyler were together. They were so beat-up playing each other two times, that by the time they made it to the playoffs, theywere worn flat out. That makes a difference no matter what people say. Three of the four of them in the top 10 in points having to beat up on each other is huge.


Also not true b/c when we do well in the playoffs we eventually face each other again. And as we all know the last few years there have been some very good LP and Lview teams and one had to go home. It's sad to see.

[dentonRYAN]

SLC wins by at least 30+, in this easy district. I wish they would mix the districts up a little up here, it gets boring seeing the same teams every year make it usually in the same places as last year. This district and the Dallas Carter district are very easy opponents for them. Its pretty sad when you can allready count yourselves into the playoffs before even playing.


What are you talking about.... your crazy....you know nothing about football....damn....

SLC wins not because the district is easy, but becasue they are so damn good...... they are not #1 in nation for nothing.....

A team like Colleyville Heritage and Denton Ryan would probably dominate in most districts...... saying that they have very easy opponents in the districts is not only disrespectful that other teams in the district but also SLC becasue they are the ones winning these games

"Its pretty sad when you can allready count yourselves into the playoffs before even playing".....thats what happens when you have a great football program above any other...... it has nothing to do with what district you are in

[dentonRYAN]

I agree SLC will beat Colleyville Heritage.....but by no more than 21 points.....

Colleyville Heritage are much improved.....should be a good game

[CoppellCowboy57]

I agree SLC will beat Colleyville Heritage.....but by no more than 21 points.....

Colleyville Heritage are much improved.....should be a good game

im still calling the upset...you know i might go check this game out, ill even sit on the dragons side...maybe lol

[dragons08]

im still calling the upset...you know i might go check this game out, ill even sit on the dragons side...maybe lol
let me know man, we can meet up

[Octoberfest]

If you don't already have tickets, they may be tough to come by. I understand that the tickets at CHHS are almost entirely gone.

[dragons08]

If you don't already have tickets, they may be tough to come by. I understand that the tickets at CHHS are almost entirely gone.
i thought they went on sale wedensday for carroll?

[Octoberfest]

I know SCL got an allotment of tickets to sell.... not sure how many. The tickets went on sale today at CHHS and the line was long. I understand that there are only a few left at CHHS.

[RAB-07]

let me know man, we can meet up

most likely not, surely the band directors don't want non-band members in the band section. unless you sit on the very outside row (usually taken by section leaders because they're the best seats) you probably won't have much contact with non-band members. pre-game sure, post-game sure. but its still a better chance than at dragon stadium, where the seats are not connected to the rest of the stadium.

my $.02

[dragons08]

most likely not, surely the band directors don't want non-band members in the band section. unless you sit on the very outside row (usually taken by section leaders because they're the best seats) you probably won't have much contact with non-band members. pre-game sure, post-game sure. but its still a better chance than at dragon stadium, where the seats are not connected to the rest of the stadium.

my $.02
spsh, section leaders get the "best seats" my butt, you think we do that, it goes by x many of this instrument in this row, you just get by the peopel you want to sit with, plus if you really wanted to meet up you can, be it before the game, sitting on the end, post game, stuff like that, heck even during the game, if your on the end

[drgnbkr]

I think this is easily the best the O-Line has played this year. And much of that has to be contributed to Buford. He is a big time player, and will help the running game to a great extent. And Tre really did look solid on Friday. He has progressed each game. You can see him starting to feel more comfortable in the backfield.

It was incredible watching Buford play..he was consistently 15-20 yards or more down the field blocking on the plays...he reminds me of Jeremiah Jones...You could hit him with a 2"x4" & it would'nt phase him...

[southlake thug]

Yeah I can deff. see the resembelance. Buford adds some toughness to the whole team and adds another dimension to the O.

[CoppellCowboy57]

Anyone who thinks CH will beat SLC is insane.


i guess im insane BHS...but still I think if any team 5-5A can pull of the upset of the year...it'll be CHHS (which is the abrv. of Collyville Haritage High School)

[slcdragons]

i thought they went on sale wedensday for carroll?
I bought mine today at JES.(Wednesday)

[dragons08]

I bought mine today at JES.(Wednesday)
they sell them at the elemantry school? man thats insane..you wouldnt think a 8 year old kid would be resoponsible enough to hold on to them, but i guess when parents drop their youngins off they stop by and buy some...curious, how many tickets did they give us dragon fans?

[slcdragons]

they sell them at the elemantry school? man thats insane..you wouldnt think a 8 year old kid would be resoponsible enough to hold on to them, but i guess when parents drop their youngins off they stop by and buy some...curious, how many tickets did they give us dragon fans?
Kids aren't the purchasers. Adults come in and buy them. Ya gotta remember, there are only 2 CISD schools north of 114. And CISD extends over into Grapevine. :D

[dragons08]

Kids aren't the purchasers. Adults come in and buy them. Ya gotta remember, there are only 2 CISD schools north of 114. And CISD extends over into Grapevine. :D
ahh yes the cool side of southlake :cool:

[CHHSdad]

I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in on CHHS. My son is on the team but I tend to be honest in my evaluations. I don't think they have the coaching to win the big games. They are good guys but are way out of sync with football strategy and personnel development. They are obsessed with size, and over playmaking ability in many cases. And they play favorites.
Example, the CHHS JV went 10-0 last year and the starting running back for that team has all the tools to play now. Where is he? On the fourth team behind the starting fumbler, the baseball player who hasn't played for two years, and (are you ready for this) the offensive coach's son, who is small and slow. Several of the key players from last years JV have been buried on the bench and the coaches will not know how they will respond in critical game-on-the-line situations until they get a few snaps there, or until they become the senior favorites. What does this do for a kid's confidence, especially when you are stomping some team in pre-district by 20+ points and the first defense is still in there. Friday could be ugly for CHHS.

[drgnbkr]

I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in on CHHS. My son is on the team but I tend to be honest in my evaluations. I don't think they have the coaching to win the big games. They are good guys but are way out of sync with football strategy and personnel development. They are obsessed with size, and over playmaking ability in many cases. And they play favorites.
Example, the CHHS JV went 10-0 last year and the starting running back for that team has all the tools to play now. Where is he? On the fourth team behind the starting fumbler, the baseball player who hasn't played for two years, and (are you ready for this) the offensive coach's son, who is small and slow. Several of the key players from last years JV have been buried on the bench and the coaches will not know how they will respond in critical game-on-the-line situations until they get a few snaps there, or until they become the senior favorites. What does this do for a kid's confidence, especially when you are stomping some team in pre-district by 20+ points and the first defense is still in there. Friday could be ugly for CHHS.

Wow, that does sound like a coaching issue..I don't have any idea what you can do about it....Good luck to you guys tomorrow night..sounds like it should be a good crowd....

[Octoberfest]

I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in on CHHS. My son is on the team but I tend to be honest in my evaluations. I don't think they have the coaching to win the big games. They are good guys but are way out of sync with football strategy and personnel development. They are obsessed with size, and over playmaking ability in many cases. And they play favorites.
Example, the CHHS JV went 10-0 last year and the starting running back for that team has all the tools to play now. Where is he? On the fourth team behind the starting fumbler, the baseball player who hasn't played for two years, and (are you ready for this) the offensive coach's son, who is small and slow. Several of the key players from last years JV have been buried on the bench and the coaches will not know how they will respond in critical game-on-the-line situations until they get a few snaps there, or until they become the senior favorites. What does this do for a kid's confidence, especially when you are stomping some team in pre-district by 20+ points and the first defense is still in there. Friday could be ugly for CHHS.

I think the coaches have to be given credit for the complete change in strategy that they have implemented this year on both sides of the ball. While personel decisions are never easy (especially from a parents' perspective), I think the main focus of this team is to win these games one game at a time.

[Sloth]

I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in on CHHS. My son is on the team but I tend to be honest in my evaluations. I don't think they have the coaching to win the big games. They are good guys but are way out of sync with football strategy and personnel development. They are obsessed with size, and over playmaking ability in many cases. And they play favorites.
Example, the CHHS JV went 10-0 last year and the starting running back for that team has all the tools to play now. Where is he? On the fourth team behind the starting fumbler, the baseball player who hasn't played for two years, and (are you ready for this) the offensive coach's son, who is small and slow. Several of the key players from last years JV have been buried on the bench and the coaches will not know how they will respond in critical game-on-the-line situations until they get a few snaps there, or until they become the senior favorites. What does this do for a kid's confidence, especially when you are stomping some team in pre-district by 20+ points and the first defense is still in there. Friday could be ugly for CHHS.

I do believe we have the father of the 4th string running back here, who is obsessed w/ JV football. I amazing you know when someone is biased as soon as they tell you how unbiased they are. I was just looking it up and the fumbler he talks about started some on varsity last year and has had all of 1 fumble this year, and 2 last year. Ponder has given up at least two maybe his son should play in front of him. I found out from a friend the baseball player was a good little tailback his sophmore year but had to sit out last year because of a severly broken leg that occured during that sophomore year. As far as the coaches son is I do not know. I do not think he realizes that success on the JV field does not alway translate to success at varsity level. Just like H.S. success does not translate to college success. As for the starting defense, the game I watched CHHS play they were rotating so many players in I think they almost play every kid they have on "D."

I would suggest this dad talk to his sons coach and see why he is not playing instead of taking it to a message board. Maybe his son is not as good of a runner. Maybe he runs well but will not block. In spread you better block. Especially if you are Ponders RB. Who knows but I trust most any coach over any parent any day.

[CHHSdad]

I will agree about change on the offensive side of the ball was very much a positive, but, because of their all-the-time blitzing, gambling defense, if you look at what happens when CHHS plays a team that runs a little or can screen pass, they get lit up (Stevens, Cedar Hill 9-84, Gentry, Mansfield 15-104, Marshall, Arl. Martin 24-179, Thedford, Richland 21-227). A good team will make you pay, a lot. Tre Newton ought to be salivating.

CHHS has been good against the pass. This would back up the third place finish in 7 on 7 this summer.

Without some surprise changes, the jury is very much out on the run defense.

You mention parent's perspective. I am a former coach and my comments were not because of my son, who is on the field quite a bit.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

SLC wins this one!

[TrueBlue]

I talked to the ticket lady at CHHS this AM -- and she assured me that there were lots of tickets still available today or tommorrow --

[Octoberfest]

I talked to the ticket lady at CHHS this AM -- and she assured me that there were lots of tickets still available today or tommorrow --

Good luck tonight.