UT Should Recruit outside of Texas???

[GBMonster76]

The reason I put the question marks on this topic is because I'm wondering what you all think.

My take is that The University of Texas does itself a great disservice by not focusing more attention to recruits outside the state of Texas.

Now, for all of you that are about to post in disagreement...keep this in mind. Almost every single OTHER top ten program focuses as much or more attention to signing kids from out of state as they do in state. USC, UF, Notre Dame, FSU, Ohio State, Michigan, Miami, etc...all do as much or more to sign kids from across the nation as they do in their own back yards, but Texas doesn't....and that's indisputable...look at the commitment list...only an occasional Louisiana or Oklahoma kid.

With the kind of support Texas gets, the money, facilities, program, coaching...etc... you just have to wonder how many national titles they've given up by not signing more out of state kids.

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[SLC93]

You make a good arguement and it wouldn't hurt to bring in talent from out of state. I can only tell you this. Mack has been burned by OOS players a few too many times. In this day and age of hold my hand recruiting keeping a recruit that lives 15oo miles away assured has become quite an ordeal. You're better off spending that time at home, especially in a state like Texas or Florida or California. While the USC's & Florida's of the world do sign more players from out of state they live by this rule to. The vast majority of their rosters are compiled by instate kids.

[Sakatha]

MIII is also in the unique position where he can cherry pick from out of state, and just 'focus' on in state 4* and 5* talent.

Unfortunately for horn fans, Stoops just throttled him in the area of 'elite in state talent' this season...

~DnM

[lonny23]

The reason I put the question marks on this topic is because I'm wondering what you all think.

My take is that The University of Texas does itself a great disservice by not focusing more attention to recruits outside the state of Texas.

Now, for all of you that are about to post in disagreement...keep this in mind. Almost every single OTHER top ten program focuses as much or more attention to signing kids from out of state as they do in state. USC, UF, Notre Dame, FSU, Ohio State, Michigan, Miami, etc...all do as much or more to sign kids from across the nation as they do in their own back yards, but Texas doesn't....and that's indisputable...look at the commitment list...only an occasional Louisiana or Oklahoma kid.

With the kind of support Texas gets, the money, facilities, program, coaching...etc... you just have to wonder how many national titles they've given up by not signing more out of state kids.

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I think focusing on Texas is a good strategic ploy to keep the other Texas schools down. If Texas sucks up a bunch of the best Texas kids, the rest of us get scraps. UT knows a kid in Alabama doesn't think twice about coming to Texas Tech. Saying that, Tech recruits out of state more than UT and A&M.

[johntylerfan]

The reason why UT recruits mainly instate is pure economics and common sense. It is alot easier to get a kid out of east texas, Dallas, Houston, than out of the east or west coast because of proximity. Mack Brown has gotten burned many times by OOS kids(The Ryan Perriloux crap comes to mind). John Brantley, Ryan Perriloux, John David Booty, Fred Rouse, and etc where all big time recruits that UT was definitely in on until they chose their home state school at the last minute. Brown knows it is alot easier to just clean house on the top players in Texas and just cherry pick from the best of other states. Now a team like OU has to recruit outside Oklahoma because of lack of talent compared to Texas, Lousiana, Florida, and Cali. Stoops couldn't beat Baylor if he just stuck to Okllahoma kids.

[sgp3]

Very well put because if MACK did not pay attention the the top texas players he would lose them to OU are even TCU or A&M look at A.D. and Bomar they where top two at there position when they came out of high school and both went to OU. So Mack doing right staying at home with the TEXAS players and hand picking who he wants out of state. And beside if Mack really want the player he going to get them losing Perriloux not a big deal look at the trouble he in now and Brantely did not reall fix UT scheme of things and beside UT would have lost out on Childs if Brantley came and Perriloux and MACK could sell snow to snowman:)

The reason why UT recruits mainly instate is pure economics and common sense. It is alot easier to get a kid out of east texas, Dallas, Houston, than out of the east or west coast because of proximity. Mack Brown has gotten burned many times by OOS kids(The Ryan Perriloux crap comes to mind). John Brantley, Ryan Perriloux, John David Booty, Fred Rouse, and etc where all big time recruits that UT was definitely in on until they chose their home state school at the last minute. Brown knows it is alot easier to just clean house on the top players in Texas and just cherry pick from the best of other states. Now a team like OU has to recruit outside Oklahoma because of lack of talent compared to Texas, Lousiana, Florida, and Cali. Stoops couldn't beat Baylor if he just stuck to Okllahoma kids.

[johntylerfan]

MIII is also in the unique position where he can cherry pick from out of state, and just 'focus' on in state 4* and 5* talent.

Unfortunately for horn fans, Stoops just throttled him in the area of 'elite in state talent' this season...

~DnM

Brown whipped Stoops' butt in '07 hands down. Stoops had no choice but to go hard this year in Texas or UT would have definitely started to increase a talent gap between OU and UT. Overall, UT is sitting pretty good right now. They are definitely setting up for a MONSTER '09 class with Chris Whaley, Christian Michael, and Russel Shepherd hinted be commits for them in '09. UT shoould win the Big 12 this year if the o-line and the secondary play a couple of notches better than last year. UT's secondary was surprisingly weak at times even with Ross and Griffin back there at times. BTW, USC, LSU, Florida, and UT are the 4 I look to be the teams to beat.

[SLC93]

Brown whipped Stoops' butt in '07 hands down. Stoops had no choice but to go hard this year in Texas or UT would have definitely started to increase a talent gap between OU and UT. Overall, UT is sitting pretty good right now. They are definitely setting up for a MONSTER '09 class with Chris Whaley, Christian Michael, and Russel Shepherd hinted be commits for them in '09. UT shoould win the Big 12 this year if the o-line and the secondary play a couple of notches better than last year. UT's secondary was surprisingly weak at times even with Ross and Griffin back there at times. BTW, USC, LSU, Florida, and UT are the 4 I look to be the teams to beat.

And remember, it's a looooooooooooong time til signing day. The 08 class is not in the books til the ink drys.

[cajun]

The reason why UT recruits mainly instate is pure economics and common sense. It is alot easier to get a kid out of east texas, Dallas, Houston, than out of the east or west coast because of proximity. Mack Brown has gotten burned many times by OOS kids(The Ryan Perriloux crap comes to mind). John Brantley, Ryan Perriloux, John David Booty, Fred Rouse, and etc where all big time recruits that UT was definitely in on until they chose their home state school at the last minute. Brown knows it is alot easier to just clean house on the top players in Texas and just cherry pick from the best of other states. Now a team like OU has to recruit outside Oklahoma because of lack of talent compared to Texas, Lousiana, Florida, and Cali. Stoops couldn't beat Baylor if he just stuck to Okllahoma kids.


I think Oklahoma is screwing everything up...

I know we lost 3 or 4 Louisiana kids to the Sooners this year that would have been great fits at LSU.....SO, Oklahoma steals from Louisiana we take it out on Texas..(lol)

Not really but, I honestly believe this and it may get me in trouble for saying...

If Texas thinks they can win Titles with only Texas players consistently let them keep trying-more power to them....Alot of talent in that state...BUT, the teams with the titles and future titles will be those that play with their state's best mixed in with some national talent....It's really a no-brainer if you ask me...

USC
Florida
Ohio State
LSU
Auburn
West Virginia
Louisville
Georgia
Oklahoma
Michigan

And so on....


It's like the Dallas Cowboys trying to win the Super Bowl with only Texas players from Texas colleges...Ain't gonna happen...

That's just my view...

If Texas wins the National Title this year you gotta respect that and take your hat off to them....Gonna be hard though....:)

[CedarHillDad]

Very Good Question. As long as Mack continues to win 10+ games each year and cherry picks the talent from the State, no one will seriously question his methods.

Would I like to see more OOS picks if I were a Longhorn Fan? the answer to that question is yes. But on the flipside of that coin, UT alum are probably just as glad a lot of big time recruits stay in-house(with some exceptions)

[jakerz]

I'm a big fan of Mack recruiting outside if he can do it well, which he's proved he can't. The 09' Class will be one for the ages though. :o

[mojotrain]

I think what ever they have been doing the last 60 years is working pretty good So my vote would be for that. The teams on your list that have top programs also use Texas kids. Just no need for it.


If a top 10 ranked kid as viewed by people who do those things expressed a interest in TU that would be in line I think.

[brad@TexasPreps]

NO! they should stay 90% in state.

Think about this, when Texas won its last NT it was with over 90% of the roster being from Texas. When USC won its title around 90% of the kids on the team were from Cali. When Miami was so good 80-90% of their players were from Florida. When you stay in state you have kids that care more about the school and have respect for that school than kids from out of state. They play harder and care more about the school they grew up cheering for. I say if you have 25 ships out that 23 should be Texas born players/

[CedarHillDad]

NO! they should stay 90% in state.

Think about this, when Texas won its last NT it was with over 90% of the roster being from Texas. When USC won its title around 90% of the kids on the team were from Cali. When Miami was so good 80-90% of their players were from Florida. When you stay in state you have kids that care more about the school and have respect for that school than kids from out of state. They play harder and care more about the school they grew up cheering for. I say if you have 25 ships out that 23 should be Texas born players/

I did not know that

[whs08]

The reason I put the question marks on this topic is because I'm wondering what you all think.

My take is that The University of Texas does itself a great disservice by not focusing more attention to recruits outside the state of Texas.

Now, for all of you that are about to post in disagreement...keep this in mind. Almost every single OTHER top ten program focuses as much or more attention to signing kids from out of state as they do in state. USC, UF, Notre Dame, FSU, Ohio State, Michigan, Miami, etc...all do as much or more to sign kids from across the nation as they do in their own back yards, but Texas doesn't....and that's indisputable...look at the commitment list...only an occasional Louisiana or Oklahoma kid.

With the kind of support Texas gets, the money, facilities, program, coaching...etc... you just have to wonder how many national titles they've given up by not signing more out of state kids.

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You do bring up an excellent point about getting kids from other states, but Texas does try to, believe me we do try!But I have to agree with every body else, about staying in Texas when comes to recruits!

[cajun]

I did not know that

Miami has always recruited nationally....They get alot of players from Chicago, New Jersey, California, Texas and so on....

In 2001, I think 8-10 starters were out of state kids on that National Title team....Might check the rest later...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Miami_Hurricanes_football_team

Just click the player's bio on the roster...

[CedarHillDad]

NO! they should stay 90% in state.

Think about this, when Texas won its last NT it was with over 90% of the roster being from Texas. When USC won its title around 90% of the kids on the team were from Cali. When Miami was so good 80-90% of their players were from Florida. When you stay in state you have kids that care more about the school and have respect for that school than kids from out of state. They play harder and care more about the school they grew up cheering for. I say if you have 25 ships out that 23 should be Texas born players/

Miami has always recruited nationally....They get alot of players from Chicago, New Jersey, California, Texas and so on....

In 2001, I think 8-10 starters were out of state kids on that National Title team....Might check the rest later...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Miami_Hurricanes_football_team

Just click the player's bio on the roster...

This is just my opinion, but with the 90% "rule", the basic premise is that same state players perform better on a team together. I know this is only 3 instances of this occurence, but does this mean each institution should only recruit in-state(or majority)from this point forward? or would this only work in Texas, Florida, and California?

[ruffshod]

Why should they go OOS? Pretty much everything they need is here. There's usually a couple on the squad every year. On the other hand, schools like Penn St. and Notre Dame have to go national as they respective states just can't support them. As for the other national powers, they're majority in state as well. OU has always recruited Texas for over 40 yrs. It's part of what fuels the rivalry. Stoops didn't just stumble on to something.

[Bass]

Texas is so big it's too much of an ordeal to leave the state. Seriously, the state's about 12,000 miles south to north and 20,000 miles east to west. Why go out of state when it requires a 12-man-12-sherpa exploration party?

[jtk1519]

I don't understand what Mack's missing by staying mostly in state. What goes unnoticed despite how much Mack mentions it is the relationship he has with the high school coaches here. Establishing a good relation with them was the very first thing Mack did and with very good reason. Why would he want to jeopardize that by going OOS?

Besides, the state of Texas has more top ranked athletes at each position than any other state in the nation. If you're eating the best meal at Ruths Chris, you don't stop and leave to order the $7.99 T-Bone at IHOP.

[Crank_It]

I don't understand what Mack's missing by staying mostly in state. What goes unnoticed despite how much Mack mentions it is the relationship he has with the high school coaches here. Establishing a good relation with them was the very first thing Mack did and with very good reason. Why would he want to jeopardize that by going OOS?

Besides, the state of Texas has more top ranked athletes at each position than any other state in the nation. If you're eating the best meal at Ruths Chris, you don't stop and leave to order the $7.99 T-Bone at IHOP.

I agree wholeheartedly, theres no reason to go outside the state that has anything you could ask for in order to succeed, and he's proven that. I'll even go out on a limb and say that Texas has the most disciplined and driven players in the nation, with louisiana coming in a close second, other states just seem to be focused on being the "primetime player" rather than a succesful team. VY is primetime but he had the leadership abilities to make the whole team better, and it showed. Recruiting in-state has seemed to be working so far so I go to the age old addage "If it aint broke, don't fix it."

[Texasfrog]

UT doenst need to go outside the borders for football players. The State of Texas is a loaded with major D-1A National blue-chip talent each year. Texas and several other college programs can field Top #20 teams with just the talent in Texas alone.

The other issue I have with keeping 95% of the roster with Texas kids is the passion and desire they will bring to win for the Univ-Texas. I know that there has been a handful of OOS kids play for Texas over the last 10 years and have done well. But, I still say that 95% of the roster (like it is and has been) should be home State Texas kids.

[jakerz]

I'm a die hard Texas fan and I love Texas HS football, but I think the competiton will be too fierce with teams like USC, Florida and Ohio State pulling OUR 5-Star players into their program. I think we should start pulling THEIR 5-Star players into our program.

[t-long20]

I'm a die hard Texas fan and I love Texas HS football, but I think the competiton will be too fierce with teams like USC, Florida and Ohio State pulling OUR 5-Star players into their program. I think we should start pulling THEIR 5-Star players into our program.

there is no reason to get into some kind of oos recruiting war like some one mention before mack brown has already been burned by oos who changed there mind at the very last second, i really do think in-state recruits care alot more about the team they will be playing on rather than an oos. im not saying recruiting oos is bad but most of the great college football teams have 80-90 in state recruits on there roster anyway

if it aint broke, dont fix it

[cajun]

there is no reason to get into some kind of oos recruiting war like some one mention before mack brown has already been burned by oos who changed there mind at the very last second, i really do think in-state recruits care alot more about the team they will be playing on rather than an oos. im not saying recruiting oos is bad but most of the great college football teams have 80-90 in state recruits on there roster anyway

if it aint broke, dont fix it

Well, Texas can do whatever they want and do what works best for them....I think though some kids from out of state just might want to play for Texas ...It's not all about recruiting out of state kids...

Some kids want to go to USC, Michigan, Ohio State and even LSU....My question is how many kids do you think Texas turns down every year for ships even though sometimes those kids may be just as good and top-notch kids that would work well in the Texas system...I wonder how many leader type kids have been told no?...Just curious...

Alittle mixture never hurt anything I don't think...Texas will always be mostly Texas kids but, to have only 3 out of state kids out of 100 on the Texas roster this year is amazing to me....3....

Oh well, I guess in a perfect world I would love LSU to be all Louisiana kids but, it will never happen....

[jtk1519]

I'm a die hard Texas fan and I love Texas HS football, but I think the competiton will be too fierce with teams like USC, Florida and Ohio State pulling OUR 5-Star players into their program. I think we should start pulling THEIR 5-Star players into our program.

Florida, USC and Ohio State have been at their peaks over the past few years. However, since 2002, just one 5 star from the state of Texas has signed with any of those schools and that was Jarvis Moss in '03. None of those schools have a Texas 5 star commit so far this year. That's one Texas 5 star out of a combined 21 individual classes and about 140 different players signed by those schools in that time. Meanwhile, over that same time span, Texas has signed 11 out of the 20 or so 5 stars Texas has produced since 2002. In other words, I'm not worried.