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SoCal Coach
05-03-2005, 05:53 AM
for the first time since the 1920's. Although it's not a state playoff, you have to win your section to be eligible for the bowl game. Then a team from northern California and a team from Southern Califonia will be chosen by an "expert" panel with the help of a BCS type computer system. As a coach I don't like this at all. I say either go to a whole state play off system or don't do it at all.

On another topic, how do you guys feel about having 4 teams being allowed into the playoffs for each district? It's my understanding that a lot of coaches out there don't like this idea at all, and actually prefer that it goes back to 2 teams per district.

drgnbkr
05-03-2005, 08:36 AM
for the first time since the 1920's. Although it's not a state playoff, you have to win your section to be eligible for the bowl game. Then a team from northern California and a team from Southern Califonia will be chosen by an "expert" panel with the help of a BCS type computer system. As a coach I don't like this at all. I say either go to a whole state play off system or don't do it at all.

On another topic, how do you guys feel about having 4 teams being allowed into the playoffs for each district? It's my understanding that a lot of coaches out there don't like this idea at all, and actually prefer that it goes back to 2 teams per district.

I would guess that the top tier coaches don't like it...but the majority of coaches probably like it, as it allows more kids in the playoffs.

RedRage00
05-03-2005, 09:05 AM
The real champ will emerge so I guess it really doesn't matter if 4 teams go....they will just get a really bad beating in Bi-D ;)

Rerun
05-03-2005, 09:08 AM
What? Cali doesnt already have play offs and a state tournament?

SummitGrad04
05-03-2005, 09:20 AM
The real champ will emerge so I guess it really doesn't matter if 4 teams go....they will just get a really bad beating in Bi-D ;)
It might not matter in the end, but having four teams in the playoffs diminishes the importance of the regular season.

Rerun
05-03-2005, 09:33 AM
I heard that 4 teams in the post season will be ok, because UIL will begin to expand districts from a max of 8 teams to 10 or 12. Anyone else hear about that?

Mr. Buddy Garrity
05-03-2005, 09:50 AM
I heard that 4 teams in the post season will be ok, because UIL will begin to expand districts from a max of 8 teams to 10 or 12. Anyone else hear about that?
Expand districts? Uh, I don't know about that one.

SoCal Coach
05-03-2005, 06:34 PM
Would you guys want 4 teams per district and 2 state champs, or go back to 2 teams and 1 state champ?

Rerun
05-03-2005, 06:48 PM
2 teams, 1 state champ. and get rid of that 6 man crap. its ********.

ktCarl
05-03-2005, 06:56 PM
Would you guys want 4 teams per district and 2 state champs, or go back to 2 teams and 1 state champ?

Here's my vote for 2 teams from a district with one State champ.

Big Daddy Cool
05-03-2005, 07:53 PM
I heard that 4 teams in the post season will be ok, because UIL will begin to expand districts from a max of 8 teams to 10 or 12. Anyone else hear about that?

Amen to that. They've already made winning district pretty meaningless as it is. by adding another team to the mix you have now poured gasoline on it and stomped it in the ground. While i can see how some say it is a good thing in that it will allow more kids to experience the post season. At the same time its wrong in that a trip to the playoff's is something that should be earned not allowed. I think we all know in the end the real reason for this change its all about the money that having these extra game swill bring in.

cougardude
05-03-2005, 09:08 PM
Would you guys want 4 teams per district and 2 state champs, or go back to 2 teams and 1 state champ?


Two teams and ONE state champion!

stevefoxsc
05-03-2005, 09:15 PM
im all for 2 teams 1 state champ

Firebird
05-03-2005, 11:29 PM
GET RID OF THAT SIX MAN CRAP???????

Sorry man, that is near blasphemy in my book. The existence of 6-man in Texas is the most uncontrevertible proof that the love for HS football runs deeper in Texas than anywhere else in the country. Most places, if the school is so small, that it is impossible to fill out an 11-man roster, they just forget about football. In Texas, we created a different version so even the little schools could play the greatest game in the world.

Sometimes we 5a fans take our embarrassment of riches for granted, and look down our noses at the little guys. I will tell you something, those kids bust their humps and give their sweat and blood just like anyone at a 5a school. We like to brag about our great community support-- well, at many six man schools, where the town can't afford lights, all the fans use their car headlights to light the field. THAT, my friends, is the greatness of HS football in Texas, a community rallying around their kids, doing what it takes to give them an opportunity to play. In the end, that is a lot more important than college scholarships, mythical national championships, and hyped -up interstate matchups. The young men in Zephyr, Panther Creek, Turkey Valley, Rising Star.. they deserve the opportunity to put on the uniform for their community and play under Friday night lights just like the Metroplex boys... even if they are car headlights.

Dds115
05-03-2005, 11:33 PM
That my friend was one of the best posts I have seen in awhile. I think it would be great to have 1 state champ. I have never seen a 6 man game, I would like to sometime, don't know any small towns around here though. It would be a lil' ways till I found one.

ktchamp97
05-03-2005, 11:45 PM
GET RID OF THAT SIX MAN CRAP???????

Sorry man, that is near blasphemy in my book. The existence of 6-man in Texas is the most uncontrevertible proof that the love for HS football runs deeper in Texas than anywhere else in the country. Most places, if the school is so small, that it is impossible to fill out an 11-man roster, they just forget about football. In Texas, we created a different version so even the little schools could play the greatest game in the world.

Sometimes we 5a fans take our embarrassment of riches for granted, and look down our noses at the little guys. I will tell you something, those kids bust their humps and give their sweat and blood just like anyone at a 5a school. We like to brag about our great community support-- well, at many six man schools, where the town can't afford lights, all the fans use their car headlights to light the field. THAT, my friends, is the greatness of HS football in Texas, a community rallying around their kids, doing what it takes to give them an opportunity to play. In the end, that is a lot more important than college scholarships, mythical national championships, and hyped -up interstate matchups. The young men in Zephyr, Panther Creek, Turkey Valley, Rising Star.. they deserve the opportunity to put on the uniform for their community and play under Friday night lights just like the Metroplex boys... even if they are car headlights.

Can I get an "amen?"

NewSherriffInTown
05-03-2005, 11:52 PM
Did they play in the snow both ways up hill also?? just kidding, great post. We don't have 6 man football here in NY, but we also don't need it. Schools play with neighboring schools if the program can't handle a regular roster.


Texas is NOT the only state with 6 or 7 or 9 man football though, so drop that garbage.


Personally, I vote for 2 teams and 1 state title. 96 teams make the playoffs in each class right now??? That's ridiculous. Go to 6A and lose the 3rd team. If you want to have 3 teams make the playoffs, at least have the district champ play in Div 1, not the biggest school, let the 2nd and 3rd place teams play for their secondary state title if thats the way it HAS to be.

TexasHSFootball
05-03-2005, 11:53 PM
GET RID OF THAT SIX MAN CRAP???????

Sorry man, that is near blasphemy in my book. The existence of 6-man in Texas is the most uncontrevertible proof that the love for HS football runs deeper in Texas than anywhere else in the country. Most places, if the school is so small, that it is impossible to fill out an 11-man roster, they just forget about football. In Texas, we created a different version so even the little schools could play the greatest game in the world.

Sometimes we 5a fans take our embarrassment of riches for granted, and look down our noses at the little guys. I will tell you something, those kids bust their humps and give their sweat and blood just like anyone at a 5a school. We like to brag about our great community support-- well, at many six man schools, where the town can't afford lights, all the fans use their car headlights to light the field. THAT, my friends, is the greatness of HS football in Texas, a community rallying around their kids, doing what it takes to give them an opportunity to play. In the end, that is a lot more important than college scholarships, mythical national championships, and hyped -up interstate matchups. The young men in Zephyr, Panther Creek, Turkey Valley, Rising Star.. they deserve the opportunity to put on the uniform for their community and play under Friday night lights just like the Metroplex boys... even if they are car headlights.

THANK YOU! I LOVE WATCHING SIX MAN GAMES! Those little guys deserve as much exposure as the 5A's, 4A' and 3A's of the world.

lonny23
05-04-2005, 12:11 AM
2 teams, 1 state champ. and get rid of that 6 man crap. its ********.
I have to disagree with you on the 6-man part. You can't top the little towns with 40 kids in the school. If you have 20 boys, at least 10-15 of them will play football. You get a 5-10 person band and some cheerleaders and it's cool that every kid in the school does something on Friday Night. I have 2 girls and the most touching thing I ever saw at a football game was in an Aspermont Homecoming game. EVERY girl in the Homecoming Court had her DAD escort her, not some boy from the school.

I was in the Turkey-Quitaque area last year during Homecoming week. They had paws posted on both sides of the road all the way between both towns and they're about 10 miles apart.

I vote to repeal the Judson rule. The Northeast ISD schools wanted to compete for a title and got the 2 champions. 7 title games later, having D1 has helped the Rockets immensely. We really need 1 champion, but I'd like to stick with the 4 playoff teams. I know some weak teams will get in, but some districts have some real good teams miss out and I say give 'em a chance to win in the playoffs. Churchill could've given Clemens a real good game last year and that would be a 1-4 matchup.

Firebird
05-04-2005, 12:23 AM
New Sheriff-

I know that Texas is not the only state with sub-11 man football, but one of the very few. An article in SI a while back said that Kansas had a few 8-man schools, and I think I remember that one mountain state played 6-man. Do you know of any others that play sub- 11 man? It would be nice to know.

By the way, in Texas, we combine towns as much as possible too. However, in much of the state, the distance is so great that it is not an option. For instance, I know of one school district (Borden County) that comprises an entire COUNTY and they still can only field a six man team.

supercentex
05-04-2005, 12:41 AM
I like watching six man games every now and then. There was a school in Waco called Bosqueville that used to be pretty good at it.
It's pretty crazy to see your first time.

jrdaniel
05-04-2005, 07:49 AM
Shoot, with all your complaining about Waco being so small and at a disadvantage one would've thought they were pretty close to playing 6-man ball, centex. :)

I also like the idea of 4 team playoffs and 1 state champ. But hearing about Cali makes me think the boneheads at the UIL are freaking genuises.

Imagine if Texas had THAT system, choose who represents the north/south:

NORTH (pick one)
SLC
Lufkin
Tyler Lee
Euless Trinity

SOUTH
Spring Westfield
Converse Judson
Smithson Valley
Clear Lake

NewSherriffInTown
05-04-2005, 09:06 AM
From what I just found...


Iowa, Oklahoma, California, Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, Idaho, Washington, Montana, Colorado, New Mexico, North Dakota, Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, South Dakota, North Carolina (one school from VA that plays with them), and I also found the Louisiana School for the Deaf played 2 games against the Georgia School for the Deaf...


so there ya go.

CoppellCowboy57
05-04-2005, 04:18 PM
I just like football if 4 teams make the play-offs 4 teams make the play-offs, who knows maybe on them team who finished 4th will win state...Euless Trinty Finished 2nd in 6-5A behind Irving Mac and made it to state semi final

ktCarl
05-04-2005, 06:32 PM
Even with 3 teams from a district going to the playoffs gives you some not-so-worthy opponents. I believe a team down here (Pearland) made the playoffs one season with a 2-8 record. That's ridiculous! How does that make 10-0 district winners feel who have earned their way intp the post season?
Even though those 3rd place teams get matched up with a district champ you still have the problem of the champs incurring season ending injuries to their players in a game they shouldn't have been involved in.
I guess next all teams no matter what their record will be given trophies.
Let's make everybody feel good!
Just my opinion.