Who will bust in the nfl?

[yankee]

Jamarcus russell or brady quinn? neither? it's impossible to tell at this point but this is merely opinion-based...

[jtk1519]

I think Russell is the biggest bust threat, but he also has the higher "boom" potential. I see Quinn as being an average QB.

[K-Rock]

With no stats or games to speak of in the NFL, it's hard to say at this point.

Russell has the biggest potential to bust because he was the first pick of the draft. Anything short of amazing will be considered a bust.

I voted neither. I think both will do well.

[svhorns]

J. Russell is going to need some help Raiders are right there with Texans right now...

B. Quinn who knows but neither are http://www2.hornfans.com/wwwthreads/images/icons/vince.gif

[whs08]

Brady Quinn!

[K-Rock]

J. Russell is going to need some help Raiders are right there with Texans right now...

B. Quinn who knows but neither are http://www2.hornfans.com/wwwthreads/images/icons/vince.gif

I hope Russell doesn't start for the Raiders until they get better on the offensive line.

Glad Russell is not Young. I don't like running QBs who struggle in the pocket.

[whs08]

I hope Russell doesn't start for the Raiders until they get better on the offensive line.

Glad Russell is not Young. I don't like running QBs who struggle in the pocket.

Hater!

[svhorns]

I hope Russell doesn't start for the Raiders until they get better on the offensive line.

Glad Russell is not Young. I don't like running QBs who struggle in the pocket.

LOL your killin me

[Texasfrog]

I dont think that either one will have so called Great NFL careers.

I think Quinn will be a somewhat average NFL QB and I see a lot of David Carr in Quinn to be honest. Except that Carr has a stronger arm.

I think Russell will be the bigger bust. First, call me crazy but he had many so called bad games at LSU. He survived because the great LSU Wr's pulled him out of jams. But, he also made many poor decisions and threw many bad passes. Arm strength is without question 100% legit but it's all the other things that will make him a NFL bust (IMO).

I also think that Russell is going to have a major problem staying in shape. He is a big guy almost in the (J.Lane) way. He'll (Russell) will have a problem with weight gain that is going to make him sluggish in the NFL where "SPEED" makes you or breaks you.

I see Russell being over 300 lbs in a couple of years unless he really get's dedicated to keeping it off. But, I think it's going to be hard for him with his body type.

[K-Rock]

I dont think that either one will have so called Great NFL careers.

I think Quinn will be a somewhat average NFL QB and I see a lot of David Carr in Quinn to be honest. Except that Carr has a stronger arm.

I think Russell will be the bigger bust. First, call me crazy but he had many so called bad games at LSU. He survived because the great LSU Wr's pulled him out of jams. But, he also made many poor decisions and threw many bad passes. Arm strength is without question 100% legit but it's all the other things that will make him a NFL bust (IMO).

I also think that Russell is going to have a major problem staying in shape. He is a big guy almost in the (J.Lane) way. He'll (Russell) will have a problem with weight gain that is going to make him sluggish in the NFL where "SPEED" makes you or breaks you.

I see Russell being over 300 lbs in a couple of years unless he really get's dedicated to keeping it off. But, I think it's going to be hard for him with his body type.

This is from Bay Area News

Kiffin also had high praise for McCown, who arguably has been the most consistent performer of the three candidates vying for the starting job created by the release of Aaron Brooks.

"(McCown) continues to make great decisions," Kiffin said. "He's a very accurate, very great decision-maker, audibles pretty much into the right plays, and has done a great job."

The added work also figures to help Russell keep down his weight. He tipped the scales at 265 pounds during the NFL scouting combine in February, weighed 256 at his personal workout in March and has lost 4 pounds in his six weeks or so since the Raiders selected him with the first pick of the draft in late April.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_6120609

[Texasfrog]

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This is from Bay Area News

Kiffin also had high praise for McCown, who arguably has been the most consistent performer of the three candidates vying for the starting job created by the release of Aaron Brooks.

"(McCown) continues to make great decisions," Kiffin said. "He's a very accurate, very great decision-maker, audibles pretty much into the right plays, and has done a great job."

The added work also figures to help Russell keep down his weight. He tipped the scales at 265 pounds during the NFL scouting combine in February, weighed 256 at his personal workout in March and has lost 4 pounds in his six weeks or so since the Raiders selected him with the first pick of the draft in late April.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_6120609

I hear ya K-Rock. I'm just pointing out that with his body type and build it's going to be super easy for him to put on LB's really fast. He can drop 10 lbs and turn around and put on 25lbs "like that."

Russell is still like 21 years old right ? I mean he is still filling out and if he slacks and doesnt stay devoted to staying in shape he could be 300 lbs in one off-season. I also said in a few years that I predict he'll be over 300lbs. I dont think it will be this year or even next year. I think when he gets in his mid-20's (25,26) he will start to have weight issues that are going to hurt his NFL career.

[Texasfrog]

Hey K-Rock, what is your take on McCown ? Do you think he starts this season ?

[slorch]

Anyone else think Kevin Kolb will outperform the 2 guys in question here?

[K-Rock]

Hey K-Rock, what is your take on McCown ? Do you think he starts this season ?

I hope so. I know that he is not that great, but I want Russell to have time to sit. I would rather see McCown get beat up behind this o-line. If the o-line shows signs of improvement this season, or they add new players after this year, then look at Russell getting a shot.

Everything I have read from the Bay Area would seem to indicate that McCown had a great Mini-Camp. He made plays and was able to use his legs to buy some time. That is crucial right now.

Cable is installing cut-block scheme used buy Denver and Atlanta, but the line will need time to get better.

[K-Rock]

Anyone else think Kevin Kolb will outperform the 2 guys in question here?

I don't.

[Texasfrog]

Anyone else think Kevin Kolb will outperform the 2 guys in question here?

There is a good chance of that. I really dont think there is a huge difference between the three except that Russell has the strongest arm of them all.

Other than that it's pretty even.

Quinn is the best athlete but probably has the weakest arm of the 3.

Kolb is the 2nd best athlete with a stronger arm than Quinn.

Russell is the 3rd best athlete with a Cannon arm.

The accuracy for all three is pretty close (IMO). The decision making ability I think Quinn and Kolb are pretty close with Russell running 3rd again.

I still think the "Wow" factor goes to Russell because he is a monster and can throw the football like 5 miles.

I think Quinn and Kolb are pretty even overall when all factors are taken.

[K-Rock]

There is a good chance of that. I really dont think there is a huge difference between the three except that Russell has the strongest arm of them all.

Other than that it's pretty even.

Quinn is the best athlete but probably has the weakest arm of the 3.

Kolb is the 2nd best athlete with a stronger arm than Quinn.

Russell is the 3rd best athlete with a Cannon arm.

The accuracy for all three is pretty close (IMO). The decision making ability I think Quinn and Kolb are pretty close with Russell running 3rd again.

I still think the "Wow" factor goes to Russell because he is a monster and can throw the football like 5 miles.

I think Quinn and Kolb are pretty even overall when all factors are taken.

You keep saying that Russell has bad desicion making skills. He had a 67% completion percentage his JR. year. This is not the NFL, but neither of the other guys have had any NFL games either. Why do you put them so far ahead of Russell?

[whs08]

You keep saying that Russell has bad desicion making skills. He had a 67% completion percentage his JR. year. This is not the NFL, but neither of the other guys have had any NFL games either. Why do you put them so far ahead of Russell?
Finally something that I agree on! I'm just going to say that I really don't like Quinn IMHO! Kolb I can see being ahead of Russel, but not Quinn!

[Texasfrog]

You keep saying that Russell has bad desicion making skills. He had a 67% completion percentage his JR. year. This is not the NFL, but neither of the other guys have had any NFL games either. Why do you put them so far ahead of Russell?

It seemed like every LSU game I watched while he was there. Which is probably about 9 in two years while J.Russell was QB. He made so many bad throws in crunch time that either were picked off are was just a nip from being picked off that it was only "Luck" that kept them from getting pick-off.

It seemed like when he was pressured he would just make a wild throw down field.

I also think his great WR's at LSU bailed him out of many bad throws and situations. But hey, he should have great WR's in the NFL. He is also going to have DB's and LB's that can run like the wind.

We'll see how he does. It just seemed like he decision making skills werent were a little shaky in the games I saw mostly. He had some good games dont get me wrong. Like I said, we'll see.

I do think out of Quinn, Kolb and Russell I would rate Russell last in decision skills.

I do rate Russell first when it comes to the Cannon arm. He probably has the strongest arm in the NFL "right now."

[Texasfrog]

K-Rock, too be totally fair with you now. Russell and Quinn played in more Pro Style offensive in college.

I wont be totally sold on Kolb until I see how he can perform in a regular style offense which is something he has never played in (High School or College). I think Kolb has all the natural talent (Size, arm strength and decision skills) to be a NFL QB but he has never really played in a Pro Style offense so it's going to take time for him to adjust.

Kolb may adjust or he may falter. I think these QB's that come out of these gimmick college offense systems sometimes can never make that NFL adjustment.

[K-Rock]

It seemed like every LSU game I watched while he was there. Which is probably about 9 in two years while J.Russell was QB. He made so many bad throws in crunch time that either were picked off are was just a nip from being picked off that it was only "Luck" that kept them from getting pick-off.

It seemed like when he was pressured he would just make a wild throw down field.

I also think his great WR's at LSU bailed him out of many bad throws and situations. But hey, he should have great WR's in the NFL. He is also going to have DB's and LB's that can run like the wind.

We'll see how he does. It just seemed like he decision making skills werent were a little shaky in the games I saw mostly. He had some good games dont get me wrong. Like I said, we'll see.

I do think out of Quinn, Kolb and Russell I would rate Russell last in decision skills.

I do rate Russell first when it comes to the Cannon arm. He probably has the strongest arm in the NFL "right now."

No. 1 overall pick in 2007 NFL Draft by Oakland Raiders
2007 Sugar Bowl Most Valuable Player
2006 Manning Award winner
2006 First-Team All-SEC (AP, SEC Coaches)
2006 Davey O’Brien Semifinalist
2006 SEC Offensive Player of the Week (Sept. 30 vs. Mississippi State)
2006 SEC Offensive Player of the Week (Oct. 14 vs. Kentucky)
2006 SEC Offensive Player of the Week (Nov. 4 vs. Tennessee)
2005 SEC Player of the Year (Columbus Touchdown Club)
2005 SEC Player of the Week (Oct. 8 vs. Vanderbilt)

CAREER
Capped his LSU career by being selected with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2007 NFL Draft by the Oakland Raiders ... Became only the second football player in school history (joining Billy Cannon in 1960) to be selected with the top pick in the NFL Draft ... Joined Cannon, Shaquille O’Neal (basketball), Ben McDonald (baseball) and Seimone Augustus (women’s basketball) as LSU’s No. 1 overall picks in a professional draft ... One of the top quarterbacks in school history ... Finished ranked among the top five in every career passing category kept at LSU ... Compiled a 25-4 mark as LSU’s starting quarterback ... The 25 wins ties with Warren Rabb as the third-highest total in LSU history ... Ranked second all-time at LSU in career completion percentage (61.9) and career touchdown passes (52) ... Also ranks third in career completions (493) and career passing yards (6,625) and fourth in career attempts (797) ... Is just the fourth player in school history to go over the 6,000 yard mark in total offense (6,704 yards) ... Capped career ranked No. 3 in school history with 6,704 yards of total offense, just one yard shy of tying Jeff Wickersham for second place in school history ... Only the fourth quarterback in LSU history to pass for over 6,000 yards ... Connected with WR Dwayne Bowe on 23 TD passes which ranks the pair as the most prolific pass-catch scoring combo in school history ... Has engineered eight fourth quarter or overtime victories during his career ... Leaves LSU with single-season records in touchdown passes (tied Matt Mauck with 28), completions (232) and completion percentage (67.8) ... Is the only quarterback to lead the Tigers at least 10 wins in back-to-back seasons ... Russell won 10 games as a starter in 2005 and followed that by starting all 11 victories in 2006.

He finished his college career with 21 INTs. Hate to sound like JTK, but that is 1 pick for every 38 attempts.

Not bad stats for college. Don't know if can reproduce this in the NFL. But he is not just a strong arm. You can't get those numbers without being able to play QB.

[Texasfrog]

No. 1 overall pick in 2007 NFL Draft by Oakland Raiders
2007 Sugar Bowl Most Valuable Player
2006 Manning Award winner
2006 First-Team All-SEC (AP, SEC Coaches)
2006 Davey O’Brien Semifinalist
2006 SEC Offensive Player of the Week (Sept. 30 vs. Mississippi State)
2006 SEC Offensive Player of the Week (Oct. 14 vs. Kentucky)
2006 SEC Offensive Player of the Week (Nov. 4 vs. Tennessee)
2005 SEC Player of the Year (Columbus Touchdown Club)
2005 SEC Player of the Week (Oct. 8 vs. Vanderbilt)

CAREER
Capped his LSU career by being selected with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2007 NFL Draft by the Oakland Raiders ... Became only the second football player in school history (joining Billy Cannon in 1960) to be selected with the top pick in the NFL Draft ... Joined Cannon, Shaquille O’Neal (basketball), Ben McDonald (baseball) and Seimone Augustus (women’s basketball) as LSU’s No. 1 overall picks in a professional draft ... One of the top quarterbacks in school history ... Finished ranked among the top five in every career passing category kept at LSU ... Compiled a 25-4 mark as LSU’s starting quarterback ... The 25 wins ties with Warren Rabb as the third-highest total in LSU history ... Ranked second all-time at LSU in career completion percentage (61.9) and career touchdown passes (52) ... Also ranks third in career completions (493) and career passing yards (6,625) and fourth in career attempts (797) ... Is just the fourth player in school history to go over the 6,000 yard mark in total offense (6,704 yards) ... Capped career ranked No. 3 in school history with 6,704 yards of total offense, just one yard shy of tying Jeff Wickersham for second place in school history ... Only the fourth quarterback in LSU history to pass for over 6,000 yards ... Connected with WR Dwayne Bowe on 23 TD passes which ranks the pair as the most prolific pass-catch scoring combo in school history ... Has engineered eight fourth quarter or overtime victories during his career ... Leaves LSU with single-season records in touchdown passes (tied Matt Mauck with 28), completions (232) and completion percentage (67.8) ... Is the only quarterback to lead the Tigers at least 10 wins in back-to-back seasons ... Russell won 10 games as a starter in 2005 and followed that by starting all 11 victories in 2006.

Not bad stats for college. Don't know if can reproduce this in the NFL. But he is not just a strong arm. You can't get those numbers without being able to play QB.

I agree with you to a certain extent. I also agree that college numbers dont always equate to NFL numbers.

I bet you that I can show you many QB's in college that have those similiar numbers that were NFL bust or didnt even really make it to a serious NFL camp. I bet you I can find SEC QB's with numbers similiar to that that didnt last or even make it to the NFL.

Next, I think he can play QB. Just how good will he be and how long. I think he has a "CANNON ARM" that appeals right off the bat to NFL Scouts and GM's. That's almost like speed, you either got it or you dont. You cant teach a guy to throw a 100mph fastball.

Russell has the size. He is in the (6-5ish/260) range and pretty much all Men-child. I still think he will have serious weight issues in a couple of years if he doesnt stay 100% dedicated to staying in shape. He could hit 300 lbs. in a very short time.

Next, he has skills there aint no doubt. He has just a good a chance as Quinn or Kolb (IMO) if not better. My overall #1 concern if I was the GM for the Raiders would be making sure Russell keeps his butt in shape. I have the best so called experts staying on his butt keeping him in top shape.

But, I still see him by 2009 or 2010 being over 300 lbs.

PS. That is freaking weird typing 2010.:eek:

[K-Rock]

I agree with you to a certain extent. I also agree that college numbers dont always equate to NFL numbers.

I bet you that I can show you many QB's in college that have those similiar numbers that were NFL bust or didnt even really make it to a serious NFL camp. I bet you I can find SEC QB's with numbers similiar to that that didnt last or even make it to the NFL.

Next, I think he can play QB. Just how good will he be and how long. I think he has a "CANNON ARM" that appeals right off the bat to NFL Scouts and GM's. That's almost like speed, you either got it or you dont. You cant teach a guy to throw a 100mph fastball.

Russell has the size. He is in the (6-5ish/260) range and pretty much all Men-child. I still think he will have serious weight issues in a couple of years if he doesnt stay 100% dedicated to staying in shape. He could hit 300 lbs. in a very short time.

Next, he has skills there aint no doubt. He has just a good a chance as Quinn or Kolb (IMO) if not better. My overall #1 concern if I was the GM for the Raiders would be making sure Russell keeps his butt in shape. I have the best so called experts staying on his butt keeping him in top shape.

But, I still see him by 2009 or 2010 being over 300 lbs.

PS. That is freaking weird typing 2010.:eek:

I agree with you that college stats don't mean a thing when it comes to the NFL. Only time will tell if Russell will get it done or go the way of Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, and others.

[svfootball45]

When i see jamarcus russel i see byron leftwich hyped up but too big and slow to make it. But the coaches will continue to waste thier time trying to see if he can get better when he is just not going to be what he was expected to be.

[K-Rock]

When i see jamarcus russel i see byron leftwich hyped up but too big and slow to make it. But the coaches will continue to waste thier time trying to see if he can get better when he is just not going to be what he was expected to be.

If he is like Leftwich before the broken ankle in 2005, then I will take that.