roosevelt-lee-judson game changes

[trbandchic]

http://www.neisd.net/pr/news/Lee_Game_Moved.html
Two North East football games changed due to Hurricane Rita


Posted September 21, 2005
In order to facilitate scheduling for this weekend's high school football games with Hurricane Rita on the way, Lee High School will be hosted by Judson High School at 7:30 p.m., Sept. 23, at Judson Stadium. The game was originally to be played at Comalander Stadium on the same day.

In addition, the Roosevelt vs. Madison game is now scheduled for Friday, Sept. 23, at 7:30 p.m. at Comalander Stadium. It was originally set for Saturday, Sept. 24, at 7 p.m.

For more information about athletic events, contact Blossom Athletic Center at 210-491-6100.

[dragons08]

a band nerd...thats makes to cool people on this board...trbandchic and dragons08... :D

[trbandchic]

there is four or five roosevelt band people on here, i dunno about any other schools

[dragons08]

there is four or five roosevelt band people on here, i dunno about any other schools
oh, i think im the only carroll band kid on here..but anways back to the main idea of this........you think moving the games affects the outcomes?

[lonny23]

That home field advantage for Judson might swing this game. OK, they own Comalander, too!

[dragons08]

That home field advantage for Judson might swing this game. OK, they own Comalander, too!
the unbiased opioion from lonny, i almost thought it was till the OK, they own... lonny you just raised the bar i expect some unbiased opions from you from now on, see what happens when your a smart @$$? :D

[Reaganrattler07]

That home field advantage for Judson might swing this game. OK, they own Comalander, too!

I honestly don't think it matters where Lee plays :D

Although I would die of laughter if they did pull of an upset...that'd be just about the biggest upset in SA history....well, maybe not.

[dragons08]

I honestly don't think it matters where Lee plays :D

Although I would die of laughter if they did pull of an upset...that'd be just about the biggest upset in SA history....well, maybe not.
wed make it seem like that, would let lonny never live it down!

[lonny23]

the unbiased opioion from lonny, i almost thought it was till the OK, they own... lonny you just raised the bar i expect some unbiased opions from you from now on, see what happens when your a smart @$$? :D
Comalander is where the 6 NEISD teams play and only Judson, SV, and Clemens from recent years play their home games someplace else. Since 2002 Judson has lost 1 game in that stadium. They've also lost 1 game in the Astrodome, 1 game at Westfield, 1 at Copperas Cove, 1 at Waco, and 2 at Judson.

They're something like 9-1 and that's why I said they owned Comalander!

[SeguinMatadors]

I heard the Seguin-Southwest game got moved to thursday.. anyone know if there is any truth to that?

[Reaganrattler07]

Comalander is where the 6 NEISD teams play and only Judson, SV, and Clemens from recent years play their home games someplace else. Since 2002 Judson has lost 1 game in that stadium. They've also lost 1 game in the Astrodome, 1 game at Westfield, 1 at Copperas Cove, 1 at Waco, and 2 at Judson.

They're something like 9-1 and that's why I said they owned Comalander!

Heck, they've lost more at Judson then at Comalander....hey, in the late late 90's did Mac beat Judson? I can't remember if they did or not? I was in elementary at the time and my sis was a brahma at the time as well and all i cared about was mac winning (haha, yes, i've changed quite a bit since then)

[lonny23]

wed make it seem like that, would let lonny never live it down!
Lee has beat Judson 1 time EVER. I can't blame you for razzing me about that.

[jrdaniel]

Heck, they've lost more at Judson then at Comalander....hey, in the late late 90's did Mac beat Judson? I can't remember if they did or not? I was in elementary at the time and my sis was a brahma at the time as well and all i cared about was mac winning (haha, yes, i've changed quite a bit since then)
Mac beat Judson in 1994 32-31 with a pass happy offense that exploited the Judson defensive scheme. That was the loss that broke the streak of 50 something district wins in a row. I remember holding the chains for the freshman game that week. Heard a couple of Mac players talking about what they were going to do after Mac gets beat down by Judson again. I was thinking these guys will never notch a win over the Rockets thinking like that. Good thing the varsity players had a little more confidence.

Mac also beat Judson in overtime in 2000, other than that you have to travel back to 1975 for another Mac win

[Reaganrattler07]

Mac beat Judson in 1994 32-31 with a pass happy offense that exploited the Judson defensive scheme. That was the loss that broke the streak of 50 something district wins in a row. I remember holding the chains for the freshman game that week. Heard a couple of Mac players talking about what they were going to do after Mac gets beat down by Judson again. I was thinking these guys will never notch a win over the Rockets thinking like that. Good thing the varsity players had a little more confidence.

Mac also beat Judson in overtime in 2000, other than that you have to travel back to 1975 for another Mac win

Hmmm....okay, cause I remember thats when mac had a team...late 90's. And yeah, I agree your not going anywhere with a mentality like that.

[mad_fan]

Comalander is where the 6 NEISD teams play and only Judson, SV, and Clemens from recent years play their home games someplace else. Since 2002 Judson has lost 1 game in that stadium. They've also lost 1 game in the Astrodome, 1 game at Westfield, 1 at Copperas Cove, 1 at Waco, and 2 at Judson.

They're something like 9-1 and that's why I said they owned Comalander!

WOW, that's impressive Lonny, what game was that lose...I dont seem to remember...

[lonny23]

WOW, that's impressive Lonny, what game was that lose...I dont seem to remember...
I'm sure you don't remember. :rolleyes:

That game led to a 1 month fight on my part. I already said stuff about Madison before that, but I really unloaded after that post-Halloween massacre (Nov 1, 2003). I guess that's what you get for playing an orange team!

For those that don't know, Judson jumped out to an early lead in that Madison game, but had no running defense in 2003. Webster Patrick ran all over them for over 300 yards in a 63-35 Westfield win the 3rd game of the year. Clemens came back from 21-7 down in the 4th with James Henry doing a number on the Rockets to pull off a 26-21 win at Judson that broke a streak Judson had over Clemens going back to 1975.

Judson had the 14-0 lead evaporate with the running of Gary Green and Madison was up like 28-14 at halftime. I think Judson cut it to 28-21 in the 3rd, but Madison came back with 2 TD's to be up 42-21 going into the 4th. Early in the 4th, Madison ran a fake FG and got a TD to go up 49-21. Gary Green was still in the game and got another TD with about 5 min left to make it 56-21. Judson still couldn't do anything and Madison gave Gary a few more carries, but took him out of the game on about the Judson 40. They brought him back in when they got inside the 10 and he scored to make it a final of:

Madison 63
Judson 21

Those 2 games were the first games since the early 70's when Judson gave up 60 points and they did it twice in the same season.

Gary Green had 7 TD's and a 2 point conversion for 44 points. He had well over 200 yards, too. The whole thing that was driving his 4th quarter scoring was he wanted to tie Jerrell Wilkerson's city scoring record of 44 points that was set the week before. Needless to say, I didn't appreciate the running up the score bit because I've seen Judson sit on the ball in a bunch of huge wins. I sat through every last minute of that miserable game and I was wishing things that I shouldn't wish for as a Christian.

[mad_fan]

Oh ya, now I remember! :D

[clemensbuff]

I'm sure you don't remember. :rolleyes:

That game led to a 1 month fight on my part. I already said stuff about Madison before that, but I really unloaded after that post-Halloween massacre (Nov 1, 2003). I guess that's what you get for playing an orange team!

For those that don't know, Judson jumped out to an early lead in that Madison game, but had no running defense in 2003. Webster Patrick ran all over them for over 300 yards in a 63-35 Westfield win the 3rd game of the year. Clemens came back from 21-7 down in the 4th with James Henry doing a number on the Rockets to pull off a 26-21 win at Judson that broke a streak Judson had over Clemens going back to 1975.

Judson had the 14-0 lead evaporate with the running of Gary Green and Madison was up like 28-14 at halftime. I think Judson cut it to 28-21 in the 3rd, but Madison came back with 2 TD's to be up 42-21 going into the 4th. Early in the 4th, Madison ran a fake FG and got a TD to go up 49-21. Gary Green was still in the game and got another TD with about 5 min left to make it 56-21. Judson still couldn't do anything and Madison gave Gary a few more carries, but took him out of the game on about the Judson 40. They brought him back in when they got inside the 10 and he scored to make it a final of:

Madison 63
Judson 21

Those 2 games were the first games since the early 70's when Judson gave up 60 points and they did it twice in the same season.

Gary Green had 7 TD's and a 2 point conversion for 44 points. He had well over 200 yards, too. The whole thing that was driving his 4th quarter scoring was he wanted to tie Jerrell Wilkerson's city scoring record of 44 points that was set the week before. Needless to say, I didn't appreciate the running up the score bit because I've seen Judson sit on the ball in a bunch of huge wins. I sat through every last minute of that miserable game and I was wishing things that I shouldn't wish for as a Christian.

Hey Lonny, you forgot to mention that the string against Clemens going back to 1975 was minus 17 years because Clemens and Judson did not play from 1984 to 2000. 1983 was the last game against us that I remember well because it was my sophmore year and it was also the year that Judson won their first state title and began their great dynasty!

[bullrock]

Okay, back to the topic of this thread. Has there been any changes in the games?

[RedRage00]

Hey Lonny, you forgot to mention that the string against Clemens going back to 1975 was minus 17 years because Clemens and Judson did not play from 1984 to 2000. 1983 was the last game against us that I remember well because it was my sophmore year and it was also the year that Judson won their first state title and began their great dynasty!

It's funny how he left that HUGE 17 year detail out LOL

RR

[RedRage00]

That home field advantage for Judson might swing this game. OK, they own Comalander, too!

Lonny,

When are you switchin' to Wagner? :eek: :D :p

[jrdaniel]

He'll probably switch the same time Clemens' fans switch to Steele - as soon as it starts playing ball. As a Judson fan I will be riding both bandwagons as I am sure most in the district will be for a little while.

[lonny23]

It's funny how he left that HUGE 17 year detail out LOL

RR
It wasn't important because it was still like a 10 game winning streak. Some of you knuckleheads weren't around in 1975, so it didn't matter if it was 1935! All you knew was that Clemens hadn't beaten Judson in your lifetime.

The greater issue was that assuming Judson and Clemens did play every year, do you think the Buffs had a good chance to win in the bulk of the Judson dominance run? It sounds nice to say, they didn't play for 17 years, but would you guys have won any of those 17 years? I'm not talking about math and the law of probability because that also says Lee is due to beat Judson.

[lonny23]

He'll probably switch the same time Clemens' fans switch to Steele - as soon as it starts playing ball. As a Judson fan I will be riding both bandwagons as I am sure most in the district will be for a little while.
I almost have to ride both teams. I mean, Wagner is half of what I consider to be Judson and they have Judson coaches. The tradition and my heart will always be on the Judson side, but you better believe I want Wagner to win games.

I didn't become more of a Judson fan (I always liked them as a casual fan because of the Air Force association) just to discard them for another team.

[clemensbuff]

It wasn't important because it was still like a 10 game winning streak. Some of you knuckleheads weren't around in 1975, so it didn't matter if it was 1935! All you knew was that Clemens hadn't beaten Judson in your lifetime.

The greater issue was that assuming Judson and Clemens did play every year, do you think the Buffs had a good chance to win in the bulk of the Judson dominance run? It sounds nice to say, they didn't play for 17 years, but would you guys have won any of those 17 years? I'm not talking about math and the law of probability because that also says Lee is due to beat Judson.

I guess we'll never know for sure, now will we! I sure as heck hope you are not comparing Clemens to Lee in that last sentence! Like I said before in another thread, Clemens tried to schedule Judson in for non-district games for the 96' thru 99' seasons. These were some of the seasons that Judson was "forced" to schedule some really far away non-district games because nobody around here wanted to play them!

Now trust me, I'm not saying anything like Clemens could have competed year end and year out with Judson in all of those 17 years. We especially couldn't have in the 80s when we were between 1000 - 1300 kids. But, I do know that 96' - 99' (our last 4 years in 4a) we would have been really competitive with Judson! I have watched a ton of Clemens games over the last 20 years and I'll tell you for a fact that the 98' team that lost to SV in the Alamodome in the playoffs was by far the most talented team we ever have put on the field! Our 2003 semi finals team was a very good team, but the 98' and 99' 4a teams were better!

So in closing, the answer is no we would not have won even close to 50% of the games that might have been over that 17 year period. But, on the flip side of that, Judson wouldn't have had a 27 year winning streak over Clemens either!

[RedRage00]

It wasn't important because it was still like a 10 game winning streak. Some of you knuckleheads weren't around in 1975, so it didn't matter if it was 1935! All you knew was that Clemens hadn't beaten Judson in your lifetime.

The greater issue was that assuming Judson and Clemens did play every year, do you think the Buffs had a good chance to win in the bulk of the Judson dominance run? It sounds nice to say, they didn't play for 17 years, but would you guys have won any of those 17 years? I'm not talking about math and the law of probability because that also says Lee is due to beat Judson.

You're right! I wasn't around in 1975! LOL

And why are you calling me a knucklehead? :confused: :p

[lonny23]

I guess we'll never know for sure, now will we! I sure as heck hope you are not comparing Clemens to Lee in that last sentence! Like I said before in another thread, Clemens tried to schedule Judson in for non-district games for the 96' thru 99' seasons. These were some of the seasons that Judson was "forced" to schedule some really far away non-district games because nobody around here wanted to play them!

Now trust me, I'm not saying anything like Clemens could have competed year end and year out with Judson in all of those 17 years. We especially couldn't have in the 80s when we were between 1000 - 1300 kids. But, I do know that 96' - 99' (our last 4 years in 4a) we would have been really competitive with Judson! I have watched a ton of Clemens games over the last 20 years and I'll tell you for a fact that the 98' team that lost to SV in the Alamodome in the playoffs was by far the most talented team we ever have put on the field! Our 2003 semi finals team was a very good team, but the 98' and 99' 4a teams were better!

So in closing, the answer is no we would not have won even close to 50% of the games that might have been over that 17 year period. But, on the flip side of that, Judson wouldn't have had a 27 year winning streak over Clemens either!
I'll agree on this point. Judson hit a low in 1997 and 1999. You stood a chance to beat them those years. I don't think you would've won in all the other years.

[lonny23]

You're right! I wasn't around in 1975! LOL

And why are you calling me a knucklehead? :confused: :p
I don't know. It just seemed to fit at the moment! :) I wasn't mad, but I felt like calling you knuckleheads. I don't call people names on here and figured I'd break it out. If you were from someplace else, I wouldn't have said it because you might've gotten offended.

[mad_fan]

Hey Lonny, you forgot to mention that the string against Clemens going back to 1975 was minus 17 years because Clemens and Judson did not play from 1984 to 2000. 1983 was the last game against us that I remember well because it was my sophmore year and it was also the year that Judson won their first state title and began their great dynasty!

My database is not available to me at my present location, so maybe Lonny the Factman can help...granted I am referring to some years with VERY lame Madison teams.

Madison's first graduating class -1980
Total regular season meetings 1980 to 2004 - 24
Madison victories - 6

Two of these victories came in 1980 and 1981

Madison won in 1999, 2001 and 2003.

Madison's other victory was in the mid-80s.

For most all of the time period in question, 1984 to 2000, except 1999, Judson finish district play something-0 or something-1. They were MORE dominate then. Since the games werent played we'll never know, but I wouldn't guess many, if any, would have gone to Clemens.

[bubbacoach]

mad fan taking judsons side over the clemens bluffaloes. Who would have ever thought it?

[mad_fan]

stranger things have happened...dont know when, or where, but im sure :D