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panamamyers
06-09-2007, 09:31 PM
Ban me if you must, but this is the display of "coaching" I have ever seen in a high school football game. Westfield, you fans have my deepest sympathy for having to live with this offensive coordinator. If the run up the middle doesn't work the first 75 times you try it, just go on and try it a lil more. That's the philosophy. The one time they went to 4 wide and sent some people deep, John Sorsby was open and overthrow. On the same play, Rashad Mohammed was a good 10 yards behind the nearest defender, qb just locked onto Sorsby. Regardless, they just went right on back up the middle the next 15 plays after that.
The coach who chewed out Rashad Mohammed for lining up incorrectly needs to spend less time doing that and more time signing up for a coaching clinic.

By the way #3 is Rashad Mohammed, #2 is Jack Freeman. The rosters are wrong.

panamamyers
06-09-2007, 09:32 PM
I got fed up and came home by the way. I only live 2 minutes from the stadium luckily. Poor, poor showing by the Texas coaches tonight.

supercentex
06-09-2007, 09:39 PM
Team should be running the spread.

PurpleNation
06-09-2007, 09:40 PM
I got fed up and came home by the way. I only live 2 minutes from the stadium luckily. Poor, poor showing by the Texas coaches tonight.

can you tell me if Dez Bryant is playing.

panamamyers
06-09-2007, 09:43 PM
I don't think he's playing. The only tall black receiver was Florence from LaMarque

Favpack
06-09-2007, 09:46 PM
I've never heard of many of the Texas players - getting beat up by Louisiana.

Jaime Fernandez from Lufkin is kicking.

PurpleNation
06-09-2007, 09:49 PM
Dez was suppose to be the featured player for Texas. He is the highest ranked player on the Texas roster.

They should have gotten Jeremy Claybon to play QB and run the spread around him then this would have been a game.

panamamyers
06-09-2007, 09:49 PM
Texas has some ok players, but nothing special.
The defensive line is really bad. The linebackers aren;'t much better.
I think the receivers are the best part of the equation. Sorsby, Florence, Freeman and Mohammed should be enough to move the ball. These quarterbacks allegedly come from throwing systems, but you cannot tell it looking at them tonight.

TrinityTrojan80
06-09-2007, 09:49 PM
I've never heard of many of the Texas players - getting beat up by Louisiana.

Jaime Fernandez from Lufkin is kicking.

Louisianna's Defense looks like Euless Trinity's defense for this next year.

PurpleNation
06-09-2007, 09:50 PM
I've never heard of many of the Texas players - getting beat up by Louisiana.

Jaime Fernandez from Lufkin is kicking.

I guess this is what happens when a bunch of 2A and 3A players from Texas step on the fiels with Loiusana's elite.

Halftime score ?

panamamyers
06-09-2007, 09:51 PM
It can still be a game. Texas will have receivers wide open all day if they want to go that route. Texas is too quick for the LA defensive backs, but Meekins is too worried about trying to reach 100 running plays on the night.

PurpleNation
06-09-2007, 09:55 PM
It can still be a game. Texas will have receivers wide open all day if they want to go that route. Texas is too quick for the LA defensive backs, but Meekins is too worried about trying to reach 100 running plays on the night.

LMAO. Maybe they should have let SLC's staff do this one.

panamamyers
06-09-2007, 10:17 PM
Again Spring Westfield, you have my sympathies.

ThEgReAtOnE
06-09-2007, 10:18 PM
Tx 7
LA 28

Top of the 3rd Qtr.

Just picked off a HORRIBLE pass from this Cotton kid. Damn... this is BS!

Willieg
06-09-2007, 10:22 PM
I played for coach Meekins and my brotha plays for him now and I can call his plays out 1 afta another by the formation be for the snap. At Westfield they rely on defense. Most of the athletes play on defense thatz why their defense is always good.

ThEgReAtOnE
06-09-2007, 10:24 PM
I played for coach Meekins and my brotha plays for him now and I can call his plays out 1 afta another by the formation be for the snap. At Westfield they rely on defense. Most of the athletes play on defense thatz why their defense is always good.

This is getting bad, folks...

PurpleNation
06-09-2007, 10:38 PM
I played for coach Meekins and my brotha plays for him now and I can call his plays out 1 afta another by the formation be for the snap. At Westfield they rely on defense. Most of the athletes play on defense thatz why their defense is always good.

Sooner or later an OC needs to find a way to put some points on the board or maybe find a JV coaching job. This is horrible. But this is not completly his fault it's not like they have a whole lot of D1 talent out there.

Drake
06-09-2007, 10:40 PM
You guys need to get a little perspective. I think these teams had about 3 practices and Louisiana's team is loaded with a lot of D1 players (including alot of SECers).

Favpack
06-09-2007, 10:41 PM
Let's just send SLC next year. Anyway you slice it - LA will be crowing for a year.

panamamyers
06-09-2007, 10:54 PM
They are down by 24, 4th quarter, still trying to pad Dwayne Stewart's rushing stats. lol

The Houston team is not very talented. The coaches don't have a whole lot to work with.
Still, the play calling stinks, as willieg has attested to.

panamamyers
06-09-2007, 10:56 PM
Not only is #2 not Rashad Mohammed, Deer Park does NOT play in our district.

Hoodleboy80
06-10-2007, 01:14 AM
i agree, i think the receivers were the strong point of the offense and needed to get the ball more. sorsby was open alot, and the qbs just couldnt get him the ball, and then they forced it when he was in double coverage. the qbs couldnt get in a rythm, not only because of the rotation but also cause they would through like once every 7 plays. it was 3rd and 12 and the coaches called a trap! I know the plays are raw and its easier to run then pass, but the LA defense was just too fast and filling the hole too quickly to run the ball the whole time

The King
06-10-2007, 03:33 PM
I noticed that both teams were required to run a 4-3 defense to increase scoreing. This works well if both teasm run, but a true 4-3 doesn't work well with the spread. They needed to allow the defenses to make some adjustments. Also Texas feilds other all-star teams so the Texas team was really some of the best from Texas against The Best from Louisiana.

RidgePride
06-10-2007, 03:38 PM
When you match top players vs top players from each state, the game is totally unpredictable year to year.

There is just not enough time with the players for coaching to be much an issue.

KT2000
06-10-2007, 10:29 PM
These all-star games should mean little to nothing as far as comparing talent. You can't throw a couple of teams together in the deep off-season and get anything meaningful from a game between them aside from seeing glimpses of individual athletic ability. The offenses usually look horrid in these games because the players and coaches have never played with each other and the play calling must be kept very basic for that same reason.

99cujo
06-10-2007, 11:05 PM
These all-star games should mean little to nothing as far as comparing talent. You can't throw a couple of teams together in the deep off-season and get anything meaningful from a game between them aside from seeing glimpses of individual athletic ability. The offenses usually look horrid in these games because the players and coaches have never played with each other and the play calling must be kept very basic for that same reason.I agree KT- how much time do they get to prepare for such a game?& Who picks the players?.........what happen?:confused: How could we look so bad I mean we really stink. I love to run the ball,but if after hitting a brick wall everytime it's time to try something else maybe I wrong.......tell me help me out

7on7junkie
06-10-2007, 11:15 PM
Fingers crossed the Oil Bowl is better

cajun
06-11-2007, 12:18 AM
Fingers crossed the Oil Bowl is better

http://www.oilbowl.com/

Just looking at the website for the Oil Bowl it has to be better..

The most important thing about these games is they do raise money....As for the quality of play/coaching every All-Star game on any level is really not up to par....BUT, it is still a GAME with a winner and loser...May as well put alittle effort into it the way I see it....People gonna talk about the winner and people gonna talk about the loser regardless...:eek:

Texas roster for the Oil Bowl-this All-Star team better?

Texas
Hubert Anyiam, 6-1 177 WR, North Garland (Oklahoma State)
Ray Barry, 6-2, 175 QB-S, WF Hirschi (Kilgore JC)
Casey Bates, 6-5, 245 OT-DE, WF Rider (Midwestern State)
Byron Bell, 6-5, 295 OT, Greenville (New Mexico)
Coryan Briggs, 5-9, 155 CB-RB, Vernon (Southern Nazarene)
Brendt Brumbelow, 6-0. 175 WR-CB, Holliday (undecided)
Krys Buerck, 5-10, 175 WR-CB, Mesquite (Baylor)
Marquese Davis, 6-2, 235 LB-TE, Atlanta (North Texas)
Nathan ****, 6-4, 210 QB, Allen (Arkansas)
Marquis Frazier, 6-4, 270 DE, Garland (undecided)
Vernon Frazier II, 5-7, 168 RB, Duncanville (UT-El Paso)
Cody Gambill, 5-10, 180 WR-S, Allen (Texas State; baseball)
Brad Green, 6-2, 205 QB-LB, Windthorst (Midwestern State)
Dwight Hamilton, 5-11, 175 RB-CB, Garland (Trinity Valley)
David Hong, 6-3, 295 DT-OG, Allen (Navy)
Taylor Huskisson, 6-0, 205 QB, Wichita Falls High (Air Force)
Desmond Jackson, 6-1, 197 DB-WR, Seguin (Oklahoma)
J. J. Johnson, 6-3, 275 C, Plano West (North Texas)
John Jones, 6-5, 295 OT, Cedar Hill (Baylor)
Jerod Mankins, 6-1, 225 C-DE, Windthorst (undecided)
Josh LeRibeus, 6-4, 340 G, Richardson Berkner (SMU)
Jermaine Love, 5-11, 221, LB-RB, North Garland (Arkansas)
Josh Martin, 6-1, 265 DT-OG, Smithson Valley (Tarleton State)
Thomas Moreland, 5-11, 155 K-P, Forney (North Texas)
Tyler O’Quin, 6-1, 195 WR, Wylie (Harding)
Zachary Palmer, 6-0, 185 WR-S, Justin Northwest (undecided)
Tyson Pope, 6-1, 250 OT-NG, Vernon (undecided)
Rashad Robinson, 6-2, 225 DE-LB, McKinney North (Tulsa)
Russell Roy, 6-0, 215 RB-LB, Austin McCollum (undecided)
Kyle Russo, 6-4, 240, DE-TE, Southlake Carroll (North Texas)
Brad Smith, 6-3 1/2, 285 OT, Burleson (Northwestern State)
Chris Tate, 6-0, 183, DB-WR, Hempstead (Houston)
Kelly Turner, 6-3, 280 OT, Highland Park (SMU)
Logan Turner, 6-1, 180 QB, Springtown (SMU)
Aston Whiteside, 6-2, 220 FB-LB, Vernon (Abilene Christian)
Collin Zych, 5-11, 185 DB-WR, Plano East (Harvard)
Ryon Zych, 5-10, 170 WR, Plano East (Texas)
Coaches: Terry Wolf (Holliday) head coach; Keith Hall (Vernon) defensive coordinator; Tom Westerberg (Allen) offensive coordinator.

Texasfrog
06-11-2007, 01:52 AM
I dont ever get really too excited about All-Star games. That's why you'll never see me predict a winner or loser in them.

I've been on record about a 1000's times saying you could get the top 50 kids from Louisiana, Top 100 from Texas, Top 100 from Florida, Top 100 from Cali and hell, even the top 15 from probably Rhoda Island and they could all play pretty even most years.

So, I've always agreed these games are about seeing individual skills and talent more than who is really the best. One year team "A" may have better individual talent. The team with the best individual talent most times will win the games.

I think Louisiana the last couple of years has had better talent in the Bayou game. There has been tons of great talent in the Houston area that hasnt played in that game. I dont blame them for one reason or another they choose not to play. But, it would be nice to see many of the better "Blue-Chips" come play in that game and show off their individual skills.

Texasfrog
06-11-2007, 01:53 AM
http://www.oilbowl.com/

Just looking at the website for the Oil Bowl it has to be better..

The most important thing about these games is they do raise money....As for the quality of play/coaching every All-Star game on any level is really not up to par....BUT, it is still a GAME with a winner and loser...May as well put alittle effort into it the way I see it....People gonna talk about the winner and people gonna talk about the loser regardless...:eek:

Texas roster for the Oil Bowl-this All-Star team better?

Texas
Hubert Anyiam, 6-1 177 WR, North Garland (Oklahoma State)
Ray Barry, 6-2, 175 QB-S, WF Hirschi (Kilgore JC)
Casey Bates, 6-5, 245 OT-DE, WF Rider (Midwestern State)
Byron Bell, 6-5, 295 OT, Greenville (New Mexico)
Coryan Briggs, 5-9, 155 CB-RB, Vernon (Southern Nazarene)
Brendt Brumbelow, 6-0. 175 WR-CB, Holliday (undecided)
Krys Buerck, 5-10, 175 WR-CB, Mesquite (Baylor)
Marquese Davis, 6-2, 235 LB-TE, Atlanta (North Texas)
Nathan ****, 6-4, 210 QB, Allen (Arkansas)
Marquis Frazier, 6-4, 270 DE, Garland (undecided)
Vernon Frazier II, 5-7, 168 RB, Duncanville (UT-El Paso)
Cody Gambill, 5-10, 180 WR-S, Allen (Texas State; baseball)
Brad Green, 6-2, 205 QB-LB, Windthorst (Midwestern State)
Dwight Hamilton, 5-11, 175 RB-CB, Garland (Trinity Valley)
David Hong, 6-3, 295 DT-OG, Allen (Navy)
Taylor Huskisson, 6-0, 205 QB, Wichita Falls High (Air Force)
Desmond Jackson, 6-1, 197 DB-WR, Seguin (Oklahoma)
J. J. Johnson, 6-3, 275 C, Plano West (North Texas)
John Jones, 6-5, 295 OT, Cedar Hill (Baylor)
Jerod Mankins, 6-1, 225 C-DE, Windthorst (undecided)
Josh LeRibeus, 6-4, 340 G, Richardson Berkner (SMU)
Jermaine Love, 5-11, 221, LB-RB, North Garland (Arkansas)
Josh Martin, 6-1, 265 DT-OG, Smithson Valley (Tarleton State)
Thomas Moreland, 5-11, 155 K-P, Forney (North Texas)
Tyler O’Quin, 6-1, 195 WR, Wylie (Harding)
Zachary Palmer, 6-0, 185 WR-S, Justin Northwest (undecided)
Tyson Pope, 6-1, 250 OT-NG, Vernon (undecided)
Rashad Robinson, 6-2, 225 DE-LB, McKinney North (Tulsa)
Russell Roy, 6-0, 215 RB-LB, Austin McCollum (undecided)
Kyle Russo, 6-4, 240, DE-TE, Southlake Carroll (North Texas)
Brad Smith, 6-3 1/2, 285 OT, Burleson (Northwestern State)
Chris Tate, 6-0, 183, DB-WR, Hempstead (Houston)
Kelly Turner, 6-3, 280 OT, Highland Park (SMU)
Logan Turner, 6-1, 180 QB, Springtown (SMU)
Aston Whiteside, 6-2, 220 FB-LB, Vernon (Abilene Christian)
Collin Zych, 5-11, 185 DB-WR, Plano East (Harvard)
Ryon Zych, 5-10, 170 WR, Plano East (Texas)
Coaches: Terry Wolf (Holliday) head coach; Keith Hall (Vernon) defensive coordinator; Tom Westerberg (Allen) offensive coordinator.

Oklahoma has about 1/4 the pure talent that Louisiana has. I'm talking individual "size, speed and power" for the next level type of kids.

N2TheRed
06-11-2007, 04:06 PM
I Was On The Sideline With Willowridge Head Coach Darrell Scurlock. He Told Me Before The Kickoff That Texas Didn't Stand A Chance. I Got A Chance To Speak With Jamie Fernandez After The Game, And He Told Me Dez Bryant Was Nursing A Foot Injury. I Asked Jamie Why He Choose SFA, And He Told Me That Was His Best Offer. I Also Asked Him If He Would Be Transferring To A D-I School Down The Road, And He Stated We'll Just Have To See.

The Players Were Very Frustrated On The Sidelines, As Were The Coaches. I Got The Opportunity To Speak With A Few People That Night.

7on7junkie
06-11-2007, 11:16 PM
Oil Bowl is fun because the Okies hate us with a passion.....I wish for one of the out of state games there would be a true Texas all-star team...but it won't happen

Oiler99
06-11-2007, 11:41 PM
isn't it kinda ironic that pearland known for its offense, was the defensive coaches and westfield known for its defense was the offensive coachs.

Texasfrog
06-12-2007, 06:43 AM
isn't it kinda ironic that pearland known for its offense, was the defensive coaches and westfield known for its defense was the offensive coachs.

The Houston All-Star team would of been better off if QB-Sam Proctor (Oklahoma) was their QB. At least him or Jarrett Lee (LSU). I dont know why neither of these kids played or if they were even asked.

78 Spartan
06-12-2007, 09:14 AM
I was totally underwhelmed by Cotton Turner. His stats aside, he didn't look like he belonged physically in an all star game.

JJ McDermott had a bad night, but at least he looked like a reasonable QB prospect to me.

Louisiana's defense looked way too physical for us. It is no wonder that LSU is now a perennial national power. I think you'd have to consider Louisiana to be the #4 state in the country talent wise behind only Texas, Florida and California. And the Tigers get 90% of what they want in Louisiana.