Dave Campbell’s Texas Football magazine has SV ranked #2 behind SLC

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New Braunfels Herald


Larry Hill doesn’t mind voicing his disdain for high school football polls.

“Polls are more of a tribute to your past than your future,” said Hill, whose Smithson Valley Rangers are ranked No. 2 in Class 5A in the 2007 issue of Dave Campbell’s Texas Football magazine. “Polls are there to make money, I guess. I don’t know what real purpose they serve. I guess if you’re in the BCS they’re OK, but (in high school) you need to win the games on your schedule.”

The 48th edition of Texas Football has the area’s three UIL football programs ranked among the elite in Texas this upcoming season. Smithson Valley is ranked behind Southlake Carroll in the Class 5A top 25.

The magazine will officially go on sale Monday, but its release sometimes gives reason for coaches to gripe — mostly because of lofty expectations it places on their teams.

Returning from that team are offensive linemen James Fry, Tommy Parsons and Shawn Wyatt, all on Texas Football’s Top 300 player list.

“We have those linemen, and (Cody) Renken has made some plays at receiver and (Trent) Rios has been our leading rusher the last two seasons,” Hill said. “While we have some people back on offense and defense, we have some key positions we’re having to start over.”

Two other 26-5A teams are among area squads in Texas Football’s state rankings, including Jim Streety’s Madison Mavericks (No. 6), O’Connor (11th); Warren (15th) and Reagan (24th).

[c-lisle]

New Braunfels Herald


Larry Hill doesn’t mind voicing his disdain for high school football polls.

“Polls are more of a tribute to your past than your future,” said Hill, whose Smithson Valley Rangers are ranked No. 2 in Class 5A in the 2007 issue of Dave Campbell’s Texas Football magazine. “Polls are there to make money, I guess. I don’t know what real purpose they serve. I guess if you’re in the BCS they’re OK, but (in high school) you need to win the games on your schedule.”

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he said that well

[SLC93]

SV may very well end up in that spot by season's end. It's just too high a slot,in my opinion, for them preseason. Coach did his job & said the right things. My guess is he's cursing this under his breath, though.

[TexasRed6x]

New Braunfels Herald


Larry Hill doesn’t mind voicing his disdain for high school football polls.

“Polls are more of a tribute to your past than your future,” said Hill, whose Smithson Valley Rangers are ranked No. 2 in Class 5A in the 2007 issue of Dave Campbell’s Texas Football magazine. “Polls are there to make money, I guess. I don’t know what real purpose they serve. I guess if you’re in the BCS they’re OK, but (in high school) you need to win the games on your schedule.”

The 48th edition of Texas Football has the area’s three UIL football programs ranked among the elite in Texas this upcoming season. Smithson Valley is ranked behind Southlake Carroll in the Class 5A top 25.

The magazine will officially go on sale Monday, but its release sometimes gives reason for coaches to gripe — mostly because of lofty expectations it places on their teams.

Returning from that team are offensive linemen James Fry, Tommy Parsons and Shawn Wyatt, all on Texas Football’s Top 300 player list.

“We have those linemen, and (Cody) Renken has made some plays at receiver and (Trent) Rios has been our leading rusher the last two seasons,” Hill said. “While we have some people back on offense and defense, we have some key positions we’re having to start over.”

Two other 26-5A teams are among area squads in Texas Football’s state rankings, including Jim Streety’s Madison Mavericks (No. 6), O’Connor (11th); Warren (15th) and Reagan (24th).

Where's Judson? I thought that they would be ranked in there somewhere.

[CKE]

Maybe dave does know what hes talking about after all :D ;)

[CKE]

SV may very well end up in that spot by season's end. It's just too high a slot,in my opinion, for them preseason. Coach did his job & said the right things. My guess is he's cursing this under his breath, though.
Coach hill is a humble coach and does not want this to go to his kids heads.....in fact I dont think he would mind an early lose like we had in 04 to bring them back down to earth

[svfootball45]

Maybe dave does know what hes talking about after all

no way daves an idiot is madison 6th in the state? no way thats is incredibly wrong

[t-long20]

Two other 26-5A teams are among area squads in Texas Football’s state rankings, including Jim Streety’s Madison Mavericks (No. 6), O’Connor (11th); Warren (15th) and Reagan (24th).

well its about time sa warren gets some love:cool:

[t-long20]

no way daves an idiot is madison 6th in the state? no way thats is incredibly wrong

everyone already knows the texas magazine rankings tend to suck and are inaccurate for the most part

[SLC93]

Coach hill is a humble coach and does not want this to go to his kids heads.....in fact I dont think he would mind an early lose like we had in 04 to bring them back down to earth

Kinda what I thought from everything I've ever heard/read/seen about Coach Hill.

[BigFanSLC]

no way daves an idiot is madison 6th in the state? no way thats is incredibly wrong


In 2002 Dave picked SLC to finish 4th if i recall correctly behind the colony :D
we all know what happened......

[CKE]

In 2002 Dave picked SLC to finish 4th if i recall correctly behind the colony :D
we all know what happened......

In 2002 no one knew what to expect......did you really think that 2 teams would make it to state in there first year in 5a

[SLC93]

In 2002 no one knew what to expect......did you really think that 2 teams would make it to state in there first year in 5a

What? Like that was historic or something!;) :D

[BigFanSLC]

In 2002 no one knew what to expect......did you really think that 2 teams would make it to state in there first year in 5a


Well we knew we would.... and look what has happened since

[CKE]

Well we knew we would.... and look what has happened since

Sorry man no you didnt....no one did confidence is different than predicting the future

[BigFanSLC]

Sorry man no you didnt....no one did confidence is different than predicting the future

well then sorry........ WE WERE CONFIDENT we were going to win it all geez lighten up :rolleyes:

[CKE]

well then sorry........ WE WERE CONFIDENT we were going to win it all geez lighten up :rolleyes:

seems like you need to be the one to lighten up im just stating a fact

[Favpack]

I'd bet SV will be in the hunt, but you simply have no reason to pick them 2nd. Maybe he thought he was researching ET. Who cares - apparently not Campbell.

[CKE]

I'd bet SV will be in the hunt, but you simply have no reason to pick them 2nd. Maybe he thought he was researching ET. Who cares - apparently not Campbell.

Their are a couple reasons I can think of.....1 is the lineman their is not one under 6'4 ans the average is about 260...... they have have a running back that has been running the program from the backfield since his sophmore year....the defense can do nothing but get better.....a very mature team since i can think of only 2 juniors that will be starting and the rest will be seniors....and a QB with more athletisisum. Tho I do not know if they should be number 2 i do know that the kts did not put them a high enough and DCTF did get closer to what they should be ranked

[Football 101]

Their are a couple reasons I can think of.....1 is the lineman their is not one under 6'4 ans the average is about 260...... they have have a running back that has been running the program from the backfield since his sophmore year....the defense can do nothing but get better.....a very mature team since i can think of only 2 juniors that will be starting and the rest will be seniors....and a QB with more athletisisum. Tho I do not know if they should be number 2 i do know that the kts did not put them a high enough and DCTF did get closer to what they should be ranked

You know as well as I do that after watching this group of seniors as they progressed through the years that this is where they should be. It is going to be a great season for this team.

[CKE]

You know as well as I do that after watching this group of seniors as they progressed through the years that this is where they should be. It is going to be a great season for this team.

I agree and i can promise the fans are looking forward to it as well

[Gridiron Gopher]

Their are a couple reasons I can think of.....1 is the lineman their is not one under 6'4 ans the average is about 260...... they have have a running back that has been running the program from the backfield since his sophmore year....the defense can do nothing but get better.....a very mature team since i can think of only 2 juniors that will be starting and the rest will be seniors....and a QB with more athletisisum. Tho I do not know if they should be number 2 i do know that the kts did not put them a high enough and DCTF did get closer to what they should be ranked

Agree! I watched this group when they were freshman and they were solid then but the O-line was HUGE! SV will be able to do what they do best......control the line of scrimmage and control the clock. The defense will be better because of it and they might be better just on talent. Put it all together and I like them to at least be the favorite for Region IV.

[SLC93]

It'll be fun to watch unfold. I know you guys that are SV supporters have been talking about this group & this season for a while now. Best of luck.

[Gridiron Gopher]

It'll be fun to watch unfold. I know you guys that are SV supporters have been talking about this group & this season for a while now. Best of luck.

You have to remember I'm not a SV supporter. I like HS football and I back San Antonio MacArthur. I'm impressed with what SV has done over the last 4 or 5 years and just think they will be pretty good. I'm sure there will be a big target on those kids any I'm sure they'll handle it very well.

[stinger]

This magazine is very hard to agree with. How is it that they cannot get their rankings even close. They have the money to publish but they don't spend waht it takes to get the information. Coaches are going to be skewed on their survey information on behalf of their kids. How could they be so far off in the case of ET?
I am not going to get on a pedestal about where they should be ranked....but 21st is totally absurd!!! They even have the audasity to leave out other teams. They have proven once again that they are a joke, unreliable, and not worth the paper to print the magazine.
DON'T WASTE YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY UNLES YOU NEED A LAUGH>>>OR SOME TOILET PAPER FOR THE DEER LEASE!!!!:puke :puke :eek:

[Drake]

Looks like to me they based their rankings on the likely outcome of the divisional playoffs. No doubt SV has a great shot at winning Region IV, D2... All they have to do is beat Katy in the semis and DCTF looks like a genius. Of course, if they had to compete in Region II they'd be one or two and done in the playoffs. Northshore is another good example. Won't be near as good as in years past, but is still probably favorite to come out of the Region III, D1 bracket, so again, DCTF will look smart. Another team that wouldn't get off the line if they were in Region II.

So I think instead of going by the talent and ability, they're just going by playoff projections so they can say they had'em.

[svrangerfan]

I have to agree on 2 fronts. Very well said by Coach Hill & yes they are ranked way higher than they should be. DC is older than dirt now and I bet he has had nothing to do with the rankings for a few years. The true idiots are the staff DCTF.

[t00 playa]

Looks like to me they based their rankings on the likely outcome of the divisional playoffs. No doubt SV has a great shot at winning Region IV, D2... All they have to do is beat Katy in the semis and DCTF looks like a genius. Of course, if they had to compete in Region II they'd be one or two and done in the playoffs. Northshore is another good example. Won't be near as good as in years past, but is still probably favorite to come out of the Region III, D1 bracket, so again, DCTF will look smart. Another team that wouldn't get off the line if they were in Region II.

So I think instead of going by the talent and ability, they're just going by playoff projections so they can say they had'em.

how do you know this?:eek:

[stinger]

I have to agree on 2 fronts. Very well said by Coach Hill & yes they are ranked way higher than they should be. DC is older than dirt now and I bet he has had nothing to do with the rankings for a few years. The true idiots are the staff DCTF.


IDIOTS hits the nail on the head. They are about as football savvy as a roadkill.

[Drake]

how do you know this?:eek:I don't KNOW it... Just an opinion based on what I've read (in this site's Guide), seen (in last year's playoffs), and heard (from some that supposedly know)...

Even so, it's just an opinion. Do you think Northshore will have one of its better teams compared to their teams of the past decade or so?

[t00 playa]

I don't KNOW it... Just an opinion based on what I've read (in this site's Guide), seen (in last year's playoffs), and heard (from some that supposedly know)...

Even so, it's just an opinion. Do you think Northshore will have one of its better teams compared to their teams of the past decade or so?

i think starting with unknowns will do them a lot of good....lets say they lose 3 non district games.... then go a round deeper than the past 3 squads have does that make them better? maybe.......i just think its going to be much harder to compare before the season starts..... where as others who know they have legit returning talent.... :eek:

[Drake]

i think starting with unknowns will do them a lot of good....lets say they lose 3 non district games.... then go a round deeper than the past 3 squads have does that make them better? maybe.......i just think its going to be much harder to compare before the season starts..... where as others who know they have legit returning talent.... :eek:Well, you made my previous point for me... Sorta... Some people that put out polls try to put the teams most likely to reach the regional finals at the top of their polls so they can crow about it after the season.

I think a poll should be based on a teams ability, period. Do you think CyFalls was better than Euless Trinity last year? I don't, but I would have said they are more likely to reach San Antonio than ET was. This year is no different. I say ET could beat Smithson 8 out of 10 heads up, but if I HAD to bet my house on one or the other making the state semis, I'd go with SV...

[t00 playa]

:eek: Well, you made my previous point for me... Sorta... Some people that put out polls try to put the teams most likely to reach the regional finals at the top of their polls so they can crow about it after the season.

I think a poll should be based on a teams ability, period. Do you think CyFalls was better than Euless Trinity last year? I don't, but I would have said they are more likely to reach San Antonio than ET was. This year is no different. I say ET could beat Smithson 8 out of 10 heads up, but if I HAD to bet my house on one or the other making the state semis, I'd go with SV...

i was just mainly referring to to the statement " north shore wont be near as good as years past"

and was just asking how you know this...its no big deal though...:eek:

[Redhoss]

i think starting with unknowns will do them a lot of good....lets say they lose 3 non district games.... then go a round deeper than the past 3 squads have does that make them better? maybe.......i just think its going to be much harder to compare before the season starts..... where as others who know they have legit returning talent.... :eek:

I'll be shocked if Shore was to lose 3 non-district games. :eek:

[svfootball45]

You have to remember I'm not a SV supporter. I like HS football and I back San Antonio MacArthur. I'm impressed with what SV has done over the last 4 or 5 years and just think they will be pretty good. I'm sure there will be a big target on those kids any I'm sure they'll handle it very well.

You probably know this but every year the team that is wanted the most in region IV is SV and thier are the only one teams focus on beating for the most part

[Gridiron Gopher]

You probably know this but every year the team that is wanted the most in region IV is SV and thier are the only one teams focus on beating for the most part

I think SV is now that team. Judson still held that spot until last year. SV was right with them but until Judson fell back last year they were still the team everyone wanted to beat. SV has now taken that spot and yes every team will mark that game as a way to make a name for themselves.
I like was SV has to offer this year and I like the situation that Madison is in. It's almost a duplication of Mac's situation last year. If they have the leaders to guide that team then they have a chance to make a run like Mac did last year. It's hard to do though. That's what makes Judson's run and SV's run the last few years so special. People take it for granted that because you team has won for so long they continue to keep winning but eventually it comes to an end.

[svfootball45]

I think SV is now that team. Judson still held that spot until last year. SV was right with them but until Judson fell back last year they were still the team everyone wanted to beat. SV has now taken that spot and yes every team will mark that game as a way to make a name for themselves.
I like was SV has to offer this year and I like the situation that Madison is in. It's almost a duplication of Mac's situation last year. If they have the leaders to guide that team then they have a chance to make a run like Mac did last year. It's hard to do though. That's what makes Judson's run and SV's run the last few years so special. People take it for granted that because you team has won for so long they continue to keep winning but eventually it comes to an end.

NEVER its going till every coach at sv right now has left

[Gridiron Gopher]

NEVER its going till every coach at sv right now has left

That would be nice for SV

[DiamondJ2]

everyone already knows the texas magazine rankings tend to suck and are inaccurate for the most part

Warren got some love?? Aren't they in the football classic in the Alamodome this coming year? And who's name is attached to that classic? That's why Warren was ranked so high.

[DiamondJ2]

You probably know this but every year the team that is wanted the most in region IV is SV and thier are the only one teams focus on beating for the most part

Let's see if that will be the case for the next 20 years.

[t00 playa]

so i was at walmart yesterday in atascocita...and decided to read the magazine while the wife shopped.... yes.. there were a few mistakes....and the rankings were a lil suspect.... and i agree it has gone down for a while now.... i wouldnt pay money for that magazine ... i saw where coach aymond was quoted as describing this team as ...."added athleticism and speed" ....... should be an interesting year.....:eek:

[svhorns]

Let's see if that will be the case for the next 20 years.

A D.W. Rutledge doesn't come around too often now... but Larry Hill is the Preisdent of the THSCA and D.W. runs that thing... Coach Hill is learning alot from that man... heres the staff for those who haven't seen it...

http://coach.thsca.com/Staff.asp?&menu=STAFF

[DiamondJ2]

A D.W. Rutledge doesn't come around too often now... but Larry Hill is the Preisdent of the THSCA and D.W. runs that thing... Coach Hill is learning alot from that man... heres the staff for those who haven't seen it...

http://coach.thsca.com/Staff.asp?&menu=STAFF

Excellent point on both coaches and their staffs.

[LUV FOOTBALL]

I was very disapointed in the magazine. Their stats are all off. I don't know where they get their information and they don't either. Randy Rodgers couldn't answer my questions about their mess up in the magazine, and didn't care that it was wrong. I think as hard as a football player works for their numbers, they should at least get it right. I wouldn't spend a cent on it or anything Dave Campbell or Randy Rodgers have anything to do with.:puke :puke :puke

[svfootball45]

I was very disapointed in the magazine. Their stats are all off. I don't know where they get their information and they don't either. Randy Rodgers couldn't answer my questions about their mess up in the magazine, and didn't care that it was wrong. I think as hard as a football player works for their numbers, they should at least get it right. I wouldn't spend a cent on it or anything Dave Campbell or Randy Rodgers have anything to do with.:puke :puke :puke

i got a dave cambell autographed texas football classic t-shirt
you know how much that t-shirt is worth....... nothing now becuase dave cambell is a piece of $&%*

[LUV FOOTBALL]

i got a dave cambell autographed texas football classic t-shirt
you know how much that t-shirt is worth....... nothing now becuase dave cambell is a piece of $&%*
:D
You Made me Laugh "LOL" I Like What you Said!!!:D

[KT2000]

Dave is still a legend. The people who've gained control of his content and turned the magazine into a billboard are the ones to disown.

[LP-79]

Dave is still a legend. The people who've gained control of his content and turned the magazine into a billboard are the ones to disown.

Just goes to show you that a good product can become ruined trying to please everybody in the state. 1 guy in San Antonio does not make for an accurate ranking system.