Lakeland

[FeeltheHaka]

I was in Miami earlier today, and got into a major trash talking session with a guy who went to Lakeland. I didn't know it was by Tampa. We talked trash in particular about Texas vs. Florida in high school football. He believes Miami NW is going to beat Southlake. We made a bet, and he might show up at the game.
He told me alot of things about Lakeland, and he owes alot of their success to coaching. I believe he mentioned a Coach Castle who has been there a long time. I had to laugh at him when he proudly said, "Our guys train all summer in the weight room" as if this was something special. I laughed and said that this was par for the course in Texas at just about every 5A school.
Next time I am in Tampa, He is going to give me the grand tour of Lakeland. He is familiar with Southlake's facilities, and has seen then. He said that Lakeland's facilities are no where near as nice as Southlakes.

[Texasfrog]

I was in Miami earlier today, and got into a major trash talking session with a guy who went to Lakeland. I didn't know it was by Tampa. We talked trash in particular about Texas vs. Florida in high school football. He believes Miami NW is going to beat Southlake. We made a bet, and he might show up at the game.
He told me alot of things about Lakeland, and he owes alot of their success to coaching. I believe he mentioned a Coach Castle who has been there a long time. I had to laugh at him when he proudly said, "Our guys train all summer in the weight room" as if this was something special. I laughed and said that this was par for the course in Texas at just about every 5A school.
Next time I am in Tampa, He is going to give me the grand tour of Lakeland. He is familiar with Southlake's facilities, and has seen then. He said that Lakeland's facilities are no where near as nice as Southlakes.

Trust me... you're preaching to the choir here. I've heard people from other States Elite programs say things like "Our kids workout all summer, lift weights , have Spring football for 3 weeks and ect." I just laugh and want to tell them welcome to Texas HS football #101. We've been doing that stuff for ever. They usually just give you that "Ya, but not like we do theory."

I just usually say, "Ok, right."

Lakeland probably has the best HS staff in Florida. Well, I would say them and Jacksonville Bolles and where ever Coach Guandola is coaching. He just left Hollywood-Chaminade (Private School) to take over the coaching duties at a school called Cypress Bay (Public school) which is located in Weston, Fl. It's a very big school that has a large upperclass and middle class enrollment and pretty decent athletic facilities. Althought they are behind the powercurb with the football facilities. I'm sure Coach Guandola will change that. Cypress Bay has the $$$$ and that area of town has mostly professional parents much like the SLC and Austin Westlake areas of Texas.

It wont surprise me to see Coach Guandola turn Cypress Bay into a Florida power in a few short years.

[Texasfrog]

Email your buddy from Lakeland this Spring Artical from Southlake Carroll. Tell him to pay attention to the last part where it says that now SLC will start hitting the weight room for the Summer Strength and Conditioning Program and SLC is hosting it's annual (7 on 7) passing tournament.;)
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Wasson pleased with first spring football season


BY RICKY MOORE, Staff Writer Southlake Star Times
(Created: Saturday, June 02, 2007)


Although it seemed like Mother Nature wasn’t going to cooperate, the varsity portion of Carroll’s spring football game was played on Thursday night despite the threat of inclement weather.

After lightning in the area caused the sophomore and junior varsity games to be cancelled, it seemed the varsity game might also fall prey to weather.

“The first two games were cancelled due to lightning hanging around the area,” Carroll coach Hal Wasson said. “The varsity game was nearly cancelled also.”

The decision was made to wait till 7 p.m. before cancelling the varsity game and about 10 minutes till 7 p.m. things cleared up.

The Dragons ended up having about and hour-and-half window to get the game in.

Going into the game, Wasson had seen enough in three previous scrimmages to know the caliber of his team. Thursday’s game was a final chance for the players to shine and nice way to cap a spring drills. “I thought it went well,” Wasson said. “We continued to execute on both sides of the ball. I was very pleased because we were able to throw and catch the ball well.”

Wasson said starting quarterback Riley Dodge had a fine spring. Starting running back Tre Newton’s touches were limited in the spring because the coaching staff already knows the kind of player Newton is, but Newton still broke off a long run for a touchdown following a short pass.

Backup quarterback Kyle Padron and backup running back Tommy Avers drew praise from Wasson for their play during the spring game and in spring drills. Wasson was also pleased to see the Dragons’ receiving corps improve as a whole during the spring.

Going into the spring, Carroll’s secondary was a question mark with only safety Luke Anderson returning as a starting. By the end of the spring Wasson said the group was the most improved unit.

Getting rave reviews from Wasson for their secondary play were Mike Troop, Tommy Avers, Seth Jones, Matt Rake and Michael Thompson.

Starting kicker Cade Foster received some friendly competition from Scott Lopano and Alex Mladenovic. Punter Loran Hinkle did a nice job this spring according to Wasson.

Wasson counted on solid play from both the offensive line and the defensive front seven going into the spring and he saw just that.

“The both performed well,” he said.

The defensive line should definitely be a strength this fall with tackles Robert Prigmore and Ben Carroll returning. Tackles Jackson Beall and ends Braden Beall and Jackson Richardson are also coming along well, Wasson said.

“The keyword for us this spring was to show the ability to adapt,” Wasson said. “The new coaches adapted well to the players and the players did the same to the new coaches. We’re not home yet but we are definitely on track”

With spring drills over now the Dragons go into the time of the year when they get their bodies ready through their summer strength and conditioning program.

At 1 p.m. on June 9, Carroll will host its annual 7-on-7 tournament.

[SLC93]

I enjoy the Lakeland program and think they are the finest example of quality football that Florida has to offer. Castle and his staff have been in place for a longtime and do a wonderful job of adjusting their schemes & gameplans to maximize their talents.

[drgnbkr]

Lakelands facilities are pretty good...the stadium they play in is more like a junior high stadium here in Texas.. http://www.lakelandfootball.com/bryantstadium.html probably could get 4,000 in it if you worked at it. The visitor side might hold 300-500.

[FeeltheHaka]

It was late when I posted the original thread, but when I was in Miami, I found out that MNW was about 20 minutes from the Airport. One of these days I am going to try and get out to the school to see what I can see. Maybe I'll catch the kids working out and I'll tell them not to worry, That Southlake is soft and they should have no problem! :D ;) .
I invited the guy who went to Lakeland to come on to this board. He is a cool, so if he posts then be nice. ;)

[drgnbkr]

It was late when I posted the original thread, but when I was in Miami, I found out that MNW was about 20 minutes from the Airport. One of these days I am going to try and get out to the school to see what I can see. Maybe I'll catch the kids working out and I'll tell them not to worry, That Southlake is soft and they should have no problem! :D ;) .
I invited the guy who went to Lakeland to come on to this board. He is a cool, so if he posts then be nice. ;)

I agree with the "be nice" part..I like having hurricane on here & it would be great to get a Lakeland poster involved..Heck, it would be great for the board if we got Ohio, California, Florida and everyone else on here, but they won't hang around if everyone just puts their state down..

[wargograw]

i realize that doesnt look like much of a high school stadium but dang where are your junior high kids playing?

[TheBigPeach]

Heres is how my Georgia team gets ready for the season:

Last 2 weeks of school- full pads from 3:50-7:00

2nd week of summer vacation (this week) through last week of July, Morning workouts 7-10 just weight lifting/speed training


first week of august to when school starts- Full pads 2 a days.

[drgnbkr]

i realize that doesnt look like much of a high school stadium but dang where are your junior high kids playing?

I guess it is just so old..built in 1941...low rise stands..having been to a game there it just felt more like a middle school / Junior High stadium

[caveman]

I agree with the "be nice" part..I like having hurricane on here & it would be great to get a Lakeland poster involved..Heck, it would be great for the board if we got Ohio, California, Florida and everyone else on here, but they won't hang around if everyone just puts their state down..

Who couldn't live with those rules of engagement? I am wondering what they feed those kids in Ohio; looking at their record in recent years. Some good gruel.
;)

[BDB]

yea, i would love to see multiregional type posters board from different people from different states to post.

kt never replys to this thought

[KT2000]

I would like to see it as well, but most who come on here only do so to talk trash. You should see some of the emails I get from some of the MNW people I deny admission to. Unfortunately for them, a few posters destroyed their rep in my eyes so I'm not letting any of them on to prevent the board from melting down with ridiculous trash talk.

[BDB]

I would like to see it as well, but most who come on here only do so to talk trash. You should see some of the emails I get from some of the MNW people I deny admission to. Unfortunately for them, a few posters destroyed their rep in my eyes so I'm not letting any of them on to prevent the board from melting down with ridiculous trash talk.

not really MNW fans, talk to some admins on respectable boards and see who is actually there to talk sports.

im saying talk to them cuz this board has the best layout of all the sports boards ive seen

[supercentex]

I would like to see it as well, but most who come on here only do so to talk trash. You should see some of the emails I get from some of the MNW people I deny admission to. Unfortunately for them, a few posters destroyed their rep in my eyes so I'm not letting any of them on to prevent the board from melting down with ridiculous trash talk.

That is good....we don't need that kind of mess over here.

[Texasfrog]

I would like to see it as well, but most who come on here only do so to talk trash. You should see some of the emails I get from some of the MNW people I deny admission to. Unfortunately for them, a few posters destroyed their rep in my eyes so I'm not letting any of them on to prevent the board from melting down with ridiculous trash talk.

Please post a couple of them so the Tx board can get a little example of the Miami-Dade trash talk...

I've also received a few PM's from MNW backers. I guess they can send PM's without being a member because I dont ever see them on the Thread boards.

Anyway, needless to say from a few PM's , they believe they will destory SLC and it wont even be much of a game in their opinions.:rolleyes:

SLC- 45
MNW- 21

[football101]

I finally got approved. Let me first say that I am a coach from Florida and I have had the opportunity to coach kids from several states at various camps (Down and Dirty and Bishop Dullaghan Skills Camp). When discussing about kids from different parts of the country please acknowledge first and foremost that for the most part kids are well KIDS and are pretty much the same. However, when it comes to athletics there are two major factors that go into why a kid in place A would be better than a kid in place B. First, its competition. I believe competition can make a kid better in one place vs the other. Second I believe how a kid is coached and what is he coached to do makes a difference. Being a coach in Florida let me be the first to say that Florida may be behind every other state in the SE US when it comes to the number of quality coaches on a coaching staff. Georgia and Alabama and I would be willing to bet SC may all be ahead of Florida in terms of numbers of quality coaches on a coaching staff. I have seen out of state people come on the florida board and state this. The Floridians get offended because it seems like you are saying there arent many good "head" coaches in Florida. There is a major difference there. There are many head coaches in Florida that would make great head coaches any place else in the US if you put them there. Not all of the states good coaches coach at Bolles or Lakeland. I know that you guys know thats not the case but thats the way it is coming across. Anyway, I have been to these camps and I can only speak from experience and being that I have coached here in Florida I know I am qualified to speak of what I know. Here in Florida a large emphasis is put on being physical. Alot of people speak of speed this and speed that. Yes, just as in Texas or California or any place else we have kids that can run. I think Texasfrog pulled up the #'s of the track finals for Texas and Florida and there was no difference. Matter of fact, I think Texas had faster kids. I will tell you what a college coach/ recruiter told me once. He said the difference that he sees with kids in Florida is that you have kids that are not only running decent 40 times these kids are hitting at full speed and not slowing down. As far as coaching goes. Most of the college recruiters are out getting kids with the physical tools knowing that for the most part, they have enough confidence in their coaches at whatever school they coach at to "coach them up" so to speak. The same coach/recruiter told me that too. I am not saying that physical football is not being played in Texas or any place else. Matter of fact at these camps there have been high school coaches from Texas attend as well and they told me they were impressed with the quickness level with the kids in Florida. I am not sure how many teams in Texas run the Wing T but for many years that has been the offense preferred here along with some variation of the I formation offense. Back in the 80's it was the veer but during the 90's alot of teams went with the Wing T. I have watched film on SLC and other Texas teams and I see that the spread offense is what the majority of the teams I have seen are running over there. I feel that Texas is more geared around running a system and fitting kids into a system where as here in Florida coaches kinda build around what type f athletes they have. The offense here that is on the rise is the spread option. I think Urban Meyer coming to UF may have something to do with that. Each year teams are putting some type of spread option scheme into their offensive packages. Nease would be an example of that with what they did with Tim Tebow a few years ago. As far as the true spread goes not many teams here run the true spread. This is because teams here love to blitz and coaches dont like the type of situations and lack of protections they are able to design to keep the QB from getting hit. You rarely see any 3 man line stuff here in Florida. I know teams in South Florida run the 3-3-5 but they do that to disguise their blitzes and end up bring 4 or 5 every down. It would not suprise me at all to see MNW blitz Dodge some and go man coverage. I saw the highlight of Dodge throwing the TD pass (which he threw up afterwards) in the face of pressure. MNW's feeling is that they believe their guy will not fall down covering the guy on the post. This is the mentality of teams here when they face the spread is to bring the heat and disrupt. Another thing I think MNW will do is try to get in the face of the SLC WR's and try to get physical with jam or choke them off the line. I am interested to see how often and early they do this and what SLC does to combat this. As far as offense goes. Offensively, MNW will more than likely try to establish tempo by running the football early and often to control the clock. I know they have the athletic WR's on the outside but I think being on the road NW will probably try to run the ball to get their kids settled and into the game. Looke for them totry to spread SLC out and get their big OL kids on the DL and second level kids of SLC. This wil be interesting to see how SLC handles this. This is important for SLC because not only is it important as far as stopping the run but while Harris doesnt have track man speed he will tuck and run (not to mention he throws pretty well on the run) and get the yards necessary to move the chains. While I have seen SLC on film, I am not familiar with the types of adjustments they make (especially with this being a new staff) and I am sure MNW is just as mystified as I am. I just think it will be good for both states to see how not only how argueably the best two teams from both states match up but how philosophies of each state match up as well. I know this post was about Lakeland so I am contributing a link to the highlights of Lakeland vs St X from last year.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wpMwUHVzduQ

[Texasfrog]

With the track numbers from the 2006 and 2007 Tx and Fla State track meets. Texas had a lot more faster kids (like 3/1). But, I'm just showing the track times to prove to many South Florida people that have convinced themselves that only in South Florida is this so called "Elite speed." You can take the 5 fastest HS teams in South Florida and I can promise you there is 20 in Texas of equal or faster "Team Speed." So, speed wont be a factor in this game because SLC has seen it, played against it and beaten it many times.

As far as Florida players being more physical. Again, probably more of a perception than anything that is near a fact. I think kids in California, Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama, Virginia, Ohio and Florida have very physical kids that all fit the (D-1A) or (D-1AA) prospect mode. Just Texas, Florida and California have greater numbers.

I can promise you those same scouts could come to Camps and do come to Camps in Texas and say the same type of "glowing phrases" toward many of the prospects and kids overall. They do the same in California, Alabama, Louisiana and ect. Although places like Texas, Florida and California will have greater overall numbers.

The bottom line is the Speed, the size, skill, physical play and ect wont be anything that teams like SLC have never seen before.

If you can get a copy of the this past seasons SLC vs Euless Trinity playoff game and I can just about promise you that you will be an awe probably more so of Euless Trinity than SLC (even though SLC beat them). That Euless Trinity team probably is the biggest and most powerful HS team that I've ever seen. They honestly looked like a freaking major D-1A college out there with their overall size and power and good team speed.

MNW trying to "PRESS" SLC WR's wont be very successful. If anything it will probably hurt them. But, that's my opinion. I think SLC will come out running a very quick pace Offense that doesnt give the Defense but a few seconds to make adjustments and calls. That's why SLC is so successful many times. They get the defense all confused and unless they are extremely disciplined in their technique and team chemistry they will be out of place and basically looking "left" when they should be looking "right."

I do think your right about what MNW offensive plan will be. I do think they will try to ground out the clock with a running game and try to control the game that way. So, we'll see how successful that is. From everything that I've read about SLC younger defense is that they actually have a pretty decent Run Defense so we'll see how that matchup goes.

As far as Texas vs Florida HS games. This game (SLC vs MNW) isnt the first and probabaly wont be the last between Tx and Fla HS teams. Over the last 7 years there has probably been about 10 other Tx vs Fla HS games and I would say that Texas has won like 7 of them. This is just the first time it's been so called #1's vs #1's so it's getting a lot of hype.

PS. I was in St.Augustine, Fl a couple of years back hanging out a local Pub called the "Trade Winds" near Lion's Bridge. I was sitting there with some buds and I overheard the guy next to me talking about HS football. So, naturally I started talking with him. He was the St.Augustine High School (OC) and they just finished up a pretty good year. Anyway, we talked for about an hour about offensives and schemes. I brought up the Spread offense to him and he basically started laughing and telling me that was the most stupid and basica offense and that a "fool" could run it. I was like maybe so but it still works pretty good on the HS and College level and you have to be able to stop that stupid "foolish" offense.

So, I guess St.Augustine HS isnt running the Spread offense right now unless that (OC) got a change of heart in the last 2 years.:D

Also, I know that Lakeland and Bolles have very good HS staffs. But, I think Coach Guandola (Chaminade & now Cypress Bay) might be the best HS Coach in Florida. He is one of the top #5 no doubt. I've seen him run his practices at Chaminade and he runs them very professionally and just like a major D-1A program. He is a Great Coach in Florida and I have no doubt he would be a great coach in Texas.

[cajun]

I finally got approved. Let me first say that I am a coach from Florida and I have had the opportunity to coach kids from several states at various camps (Down and Dirty and Bishop Dullaghan Skills Camp). When discussing about kids from different parts of the country please acknowledge first and foremost that for the most part kids are well KIDS and are pretty much the same. However, when it comes to athletics there are two major factors that go into why a kid in place A would be better than a kid in place B. First, its competition. I believe competition can make a kid better in one place vs the other. Second I believe how a kid is coached and what is he coached to do makes a difference. Being a coach in Florida let me be the first to say that Florida may be behind every other state in the SE US when it comes to the number of quality coaches on a coaching staff. Georgia and Alabama and I would be willing to bet SC may all be ahead of Florida in terms of numbers of quality coaches on a coaching staff. I have seen out of state people come on the florida board and state this. The Floridians get offended because it seems like you are saying there arent many good "head" coaches in Florida. There is a major difference there. There are many head coaches in Florida that would make great head coaches any place else in the US if you put them there. Not all of the states good coaches coach at Bolles or Lakeland. I know that you guys know thats not the case but thats the way it is coming across. Anyway, I have been to these camps and I can only speak from experience and being that I have coached here in Florida I know I am qualified to speak of what I know. Here in Florida a large emphasis is put on being physical. Alot of people speak of speed this and speed that. Yes, just as in Texas or California or any place else we have kids that can run. I think Texasfrog pulled up the #'s of the track finals for Texas and Florida and there was no difference. Matter of fact, I think Texas had faster kids. I will tell you what a college coach/ recruiter told me once. He said the difference that he sees with kids in Florida is that you have kids that are not only running decent 40 times these kids are hitting at full speed and not slowing down. As far as coaching goes. Most of the college recruiters are out getting kids with the physical tools knowing that for the most part, they have enough confidence in their coaches at whatever school they coach at to "coach them up" so to speak. The same coach/recruiter told me that too. I am not saying that physical football is not being played in Texas or any place else. Matter of fact at these camps there have been high school coaches from Texas attend as well and they told me they were impressed with the quickness level with the kids in Florida. I am not sure how many teams in Texas run the Wing T but for many years that has been the offense preferred here along with some variation of the I formation offense. Back in the 80's it was the veer but during the 90's alot of teams went with the Wing T. I have watched film on SLC and other Texas teams and I see that the spread offense is what the majority of the teams I have seen are running over there. I feel that Texas is more geared around running a system and fitting kids into a system where as here in Florida coaches kinda build around what type f athletes they have. The offense here that is on the rise is the spread option. I think Urban Meyer coming to UF may have something to do with that. Each year teams are putting some type of spread option scheme into their offensive packages. Nease would be an example of that with what they did with Tim Tebow a few years ago. As far as the true spread goes not many teams here run the true spread. This is because teams here love to blitz and coaches dont like the type of situations and lack of protections they are able to design to keep the QB from getting hit. You rarely see any 3 man line stuff here in Florida. I know teams in South Florida run the 3-3-5 but they do that to disguise their blitzes and end up bring 4 or 5 every down. It would not suprise me at all to see MNW blitz Dodge some and go man coverage. I saw the highlight of Dodge throwing the TD pass (which he threw up afterwards) in the face of pressure. MNW's feeling is that they believe their guy will not fall down covering the guy on the post. This is the mentality of teams here when they face the spread is to bring the heat and disrupt. Another thing I think MNW will do is try to get in the face of the SLC WR's and try to get physical with jam or choke them off the line. I am interested to see how often and early they do this and what SLC does to combat this. As far as offense goes. Offensively, MNW will more than likely try to establish tempo by running the football early and often to control the clock. I know they have the athletic WR's on the outside but I think being on the road NW will probably try to run the ball to get their kids settled and into the game. Looke for them totry to spread SLC out and get their big OL kids on the DL and second level kids of SLC. This wil be interesting to see how SLC handles this. This is important for SLC because not only is it important as far as stopping the run but while Harris doesnt have track man speed he will tuck and run (not to mention he throws pretty well on the run) and get the yards necessary to move the chains. While I have seen SLC on film, I am not familiar with the types of adjustments they make (especially with this being a new staff) and I am sure MNW is just as mystified as I am. I just think it will be good for both states to see how not only how argueably the best two teams from both states match up but how philosophies of each state match up as well. I know this post was about Lakeland so I am contributing a link to the highlights of Lakeland vs St X from last year.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wpMwUHVzduQ

Speed is great(the more the better) but, gotta have these guys clearing some real estate and keeping the bad guys away-slows the game down if you know what I mean.....

Whichever O-line can win the battle goes along way in this SLC and Northwestern match-up....O-line and special teams in this one...Just my opinion....

One of my favorite "John Curtis" images from last year.....That's the thing I've learned about Curtis through the years.....JT gonna have an Offensive line...They may not always have the Joe Mcknights but, when you have some bulls most any good back will work-that's one of the secrets to their success...


http://eteamz.active.com/JCFootball/images/OLine1.jpg

[football101]

Texasfrog, as good of a coach as Guandolo has been and is. His Chaminade teams have only 2 state titles to show for it. I know he won a pair while at Southridge which is 6A. He had alot of major advantages playing in a smaller classification with a private school program. I am not saying he isnt a good coach but with all the resources he had while at Chaminade at the 2A level (2A in Florida is now divided between 2A and 2B) he has only won it twice. Losing to small school powerhouses Clewiston (twice), Immokalee, and Jacksonville Bolles along the way. The years he won it Chaminade was hands down the best team in 2A overall but he didnt get his first title until the year the 2A class split up.

If I had to come up with a list of top 5 coaches in FL I would say Bill Castle (Lakeland), Sean Callihan (Armwood), Corky Rogers (Bolles), George Smith (St Thomas Aquinas), and a toss up between Joey Wiles (St Augustine) and Guandolo. However, there are many more that could easily be on this list. I think Guandolo left Chaminade because he had pretty much topped out as far as potential goes. While winning the title at 2A is cool and all it has lost its luster since they split the class up and Coach G couldnt turn down the opportunity at Cypress Bay. I have heard they are building another school in that area to take some of the kids away from there so I dont know if they will stay a 6A school and how that will affect community support. St Augustine runs a version of the Wing T with emphasis being quick hitting traps with the fullback and wing counters with wing backs who are small and quick. Its not a two back wing T but something more along the line of a spread offense with the slot wr's being used as wingbacks and much tighter to the line of scrimmage. Lake Brantley runs a similar offense but runs more mid-line option out of it. Lake Brantley is a very disciplined team that can be tough if you havent faced that kind of offensive scheme. I think MNW did pretty good considering they didnt see that offense at all really during the season. One more thing I saw the game between SLC and Euless Trinity and while Trinity is pretty good size they seemed slow along the line of scrimmage. I think MNW's kids wont be as physically big as Trinity but they will be much "quicker" to the point of attack than ET was. Like when they blitz, MNW kids will be quicker off the line of scrimmage than maybe what you are used to seeing. I am wondering how well Trey Newton is as a blocker because devising a protection scheme to offset the speed and blitz scheme will be important in this game because MNW thrives off of turnovers.

[football101]

Texasfrog, as good of a coach as Guandolo has been and is. His Chaminade teams have only 2 state titles to show for it. I know he won a pair while at Southridge which is 6A. He had alot of major advantages playing in a smaller classification with a private school program. I am not saying he isnt a good coach but with all the resources he had while at Chaminade at the 2A level (2A in Florida is now divided between 2A and 2B) he has only won it twice. Losing to small school powerhouses Clewiston (twice), Immokalee, and Jacksonville Bolles along the way. The years he won it Chaminade was hands down the best team in 2A overall but he didnt get his first title until the year the 2A class split up.

If I had to come up with a list of top 5 coaches in FL I would say Bill Castle (Lakeland), Sean Callihan (Armwood), Corky Rogers (Bolles), George Smith (St Thomas Aquinas), and a toss up between Joey Wiles (St Augustine) and Guandolo. However, there are many more that could easily be on this list. I think Guandolo left Chaminade because he had pretty much topped out as far as potential goes. While winning the title at 2A is cool and all it has lost its luster since they split the class up and Coach G couldnt turn down the opportunity at Cypress Bay. I have heard they are building another school in that area to take some of the kids away from there so I dont know if they will stay a 6A school and how that will affect community support. St Augustine runs a version of the Wing T with emphasis being quick hitting traps with the fullback and wing counters with wing backs who are small and quick. Its not a two back wing T but something more along the line of a spread offense with the slot wr's being used as wingbacks and much tighter to the line of scrimmage. Lake Brantley runs a similar offense but runs more mid-line option out of it. Lake Brantley is a very disciplined team that can be tough if you havent faced that kind of offensive scheme. I think MNW did pretty good considering they didnt see that offense at all really during the season. One more thing I saw the game between SLC and Euless Trinity and while Trinity is pretty good size they seemed slow along the line of scrimmage. I think MNW's kids wont be as physically big as Trinity but they will be much "quicker" to the point of attack than ET was. Like when they blitz, MNW kids will be quicker off the line of scrimmage than maybe what you are used to seeing. I am wondering how well Trey Newton is as a blocker because devising a protection scheme to offset the speed and blitz scheme will be important in this game because MNW thrives off of turnovers.

http://www.fhsaa.org/fb/2006/

[drgnbkr]

Texasfrog, as good of a coach as Guandolo has been and is. His Chaminade teams have only 2 state titles to show for it. I know he won a pair while at Southridge which is 6A. He had alot of major advantages playing in a smaller classification with a private school program. I am not saying he isnt a good coach but with all the resources he had while at Chaminade at the 2A level (2A in Florida is now divided between 2A and 2B) he has only won it twice. Losing to small school powerhouses Clewiston (twice), Immokalee, and Jacksonville Bolles along the way. The years he won it Chaminade was hands down the best team in 2A overall but he didnt get his first title until the year the 2A class split up.

If I had to come up with a list of top 5 coaches in FL I would say Bill Castle (Lakeland), Sean Callihan (Armwood), Corky Rogers (Bolles), George Smith (St Thomas Aquinas), and a toss up between Joey Wiles (St Augustine) and Guandolo. However, there are many more that could easily be on this list. I think Guandolo left Chaminade because he had pretty much topped out as far as potential goes. While winning the title at 2A is cool and all it has lost its luster since they split the class up and Coach G couldnt turn down the opportunity at Cypress Bay. I have heard they are building another school in that area to take some of the kids away from there so I dont know if they will stay a 6A school and how that will affect community support. St Augustine runs a version of the Wing T with emphasis being quick hitting traps with the fullback and wing counters with wing backs who are small and quick. Its not a two back wing T but something more along the line of a spread offense with the slot wr's being used as wingbacks and much tighter to the line of scrimmage. Lake Brantley runs a similar offense but runs more mid-line option out of it. Lake Brantley is a very disciplined team that can be tough if you havent faced that kind of offensive scheme. I think MNW did pretty good considering they didnt see that offense at all really during the season. One more thing I saw the game between SLC and Euless Trinity and while Trinity is pretty good size they seemed slow along the line of scrimmage. I think MNW's kids wont be as physically big as Trinity but they will be much "quicker" to the point of attack than ET was. Like when they blitz, MNW kids will be quicker off the line of scrimmage than maybe what you are used to seeing. I am wondering how well Trey Newton is as a blocker because devising a protection scheme to offset the speed and blitz scheme will be important in this game because MNW thrives off of turnovers.

http://www.fhsaa.org/fb/2006/

Welcome to the board! Southlake Carroll has stressed the importance of the RB's blocking duties from day 1. Tre has improved what was a weakness as a Soph to the point where he is very good at picking up the blitz, and giving Riley Dodge an option to work off of. Once Riley escapes the pressure Tre will often slip between the coverage and the screen is there. If you watch the Trinity front 7 you'll see Youri Yenga, who is as qiuick as a cat and the Carroll O-line had to account for him all day. Again, welcome to the board and we hope you hang around and talk football with us!

[SLC93]

Texasfrog, as good of a coach as Guandolo has been and is. His Chaminade teams have only 2 state titles to show for it. I know he won a pair while at Southridge which is 6A. He had alot of major advantages playing in a smaller classification with a private school program. I am not saying he isnt a good coach but with all the resources he had while at Chaminade at the 2A level (2A in Florida is now divided between 2A and 2B) he has only won it twice. Losing to small school powerhouses Clewiston (twice), Immokalee, and Jacksonville Bolles along the way. The years he won it Chaminade was hands down the best team in 2A overall but he didnt get his first title until the year the 2A class split up.

If I had to come up with a list of top 5 coaches in FL I would say Bill Castle (Lakeland), Sean Callihan (Armwood), Corky Rogers (Bolles), George Smith (St Thomas Aquinas), and a toss up between Joey Wiles (St Augustine) and Guandolo. However, there are many more that could easily be on this list. I think Guandolo left Chaminade because he had pretty much topped out as far as potential goes. While winning the title at 2A is cool and all it has lost its luster since they split the class up and Coach G couldnt turn down the opportunity at Cypress Bay. I have heard they are building another school in that area to take some of the kids away from there so I dont know if they will stay a 6A school and how that will affect community support. St Augustine runs a version of the Wing T with emphasis being quick hitting traps with the fullback and wing counters with wing backs who are small and quick. Its not a two back wing T but something more along the line of a spread offense with the slot wr's being used as wingbacks and much tighter to the line of scrimmage. Lake Brantley runs a similar offense but runs more mid-line option out of it. Lake Brantley is a very disciplined team that can be tough if you havent faced that kind of offensive scheme. I think MNW did pretty good considering they didnt see that offense at all really during the season. One more thing I saw the game between SLC and Euless Trinity and while Trinity is pretty good size they seemed slow along the line of scrimmage. I think MNW's kids wont be as physically big as Trinity but they will be much "quicker" to the point of attack than ET was. Like when they blitz, MNW kids will be quicker off the line of scrimmage than maybe what you are used to seeing. I am wondering how well Trey Newton is as a blocker because devising a protection scheme to offset the speed and blitz scheme will be important in this game because MNW thrives off of turnovers.

http://www.fhsaa.org/fb/2006/

Great posts Football101. It's good to have an educated, objective source of input from that part of the world. Welcome aboard! :D

[football101]

If you guys want to see more Northwestern stuff here is a link. Hopefully it will work. Go down on your right and look at 2008 sneak preview. The film quality on this site is much better than what you have probably seen.

http://sunshinepreps.net/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/limit,4/limitstart,12/

[FeeltheHaka]

Welcome to the board.
football101: If MNW tries to press Southlake's reciever's at the line it will be disastrous. Southlake's reciever's are just too skilled, and there are too many of them lined up. Southlake's QB (Riley Dodge) is just too skilled at reading defenses. First off, Southlake's QBs are well trained at reading D's and Riley is a coaches son who has been looking at film, and around coaches his whole life. If there is too much coverage, then Riley can hand off to Tre Newton or just run the ball himself. Usually Riley can pick up an easy 10. He is fast and very elusive. He can also make things happen. If you watched the Southlake/Trinity game last year, then you will also see that Trinity tried all different types of coverage adjustments, lineups etc. They might stop or slow down a play 1 time. After that, The Oline adjusts and/or Riley will adjust. It is a sight to see Riley dissect a defense. Southlake starts off slow and methodical testing the defense. Riley and the coaches will find a weakness then exploit it to the max. Another underrated thing is Southlake's oline. They are desceptively physical, but very skilled.
Defensively, Southlake is very sound. Their MLB Derek Tomlin had a good mentor last year, and I believe he learned alot from him. Southlake's D has alot of new starter this year, and a new coach. Because of this, MNW will probably put up some points that they would not be able to any other year against Southlake. It will make the game interesting. In Texas, there was a time the Wing T was more common. It is still run in some places, but not as common. If MNW runs this it could also be interesting, because Southlake won't be as familiar with it, but Southlake is great at adjusting. I would be interested to see a Wing T run against Southlake.
A question I have is: what are Florida's rules on End zone celebration, Trash talking etc. In Texas, it is pretty strict on the end zone celebrations and a little strict on the trash talking.

[football101]

MNW doesnt run the Wing T. I was just saying that during the 90's and even today is probably overall the most common offense used here, that and the multiple I scheme. MNW is more of a multiple offense with some spread concepts. We do have rules here in Florida regarding end zone celebrations. Usually the penalty is assessed on the extra point attempt which is 15 yards. They have started becoming a little more strict in terms of language used by the kids on the field and trash talking. Usually the kid recieves a warning to go along with a personal foul penalty and then the second time they can be ejected. That has happened in the past two years. That sunshinepreps has highlights from many different teams across Florida so you can look at Bolles, Chaminade, Lakeland highlights from last year. Alot of college recruiters actually use that site.

[KT2000]

The defense impresses me much more than the offense from what I've seen of NW.

The offense is basic. Steady diet of fades, stops and outs for the WRs. The only receiver that runs with any real effort is the whoever's supposed to get the ball. The QB is under absolutely no duress whatsoever in the highlights I've seen of him. His arm strength is questionable to me (haven't seen him throw with much zip), but it appears he can put nice touch on the ball. I'll be really interested to see how he handles pressure Carroll brings. The biggest loss for the offense is easily the RB Easterling. Generating pressure on the QB will be the biggest challenge for SLC. Carroll's played big and talented OLs before, so that's not going to be a new thing. The WRs are obviously tough to match up with one on one because of their height.

The quickness of the defense is very impressive. They remind me of Lufkin. We'll find out how good and well coordinated their secondary coverages are in September that's for sure. I can guarantee they haven't played anything like what Carroll will throw at them on offense, and they will be going up against an OL that can actually block them.

NW has an impressive collection of athletes for sure.

[FeeltheHaka]

MNW doesnt run the Wing T. I was just saying that during the 90's and even today is probably overall the most common offense used here, that and the multiple I scheme. MNW is more of a multiple offense with some spread concepts. We do have rules here in Florida regarding end zone celebrations. Usually the penalty is assessed on the extra point attempt which is 15 yards. They have started becoming a little more strict in terms of language used by the kids on the field and trash talking. Usually the kid recieves a warning to go along with a personal foul penalty and then the second time they can be ejected. That has happened in the past two years. That sunshinepreps has highlights from many different teams across Florida so you can look at Bolles, Chaminade, Lakeland highlights from last year. Alot of college recruiters actually use that site.

Thanks for the links. I noticed right away the wing T wasn't there. Sorry, I read your post wrong. The QB was pretty impressive.

[football101]

One thing I might add in my own viewing of MNW is they run for the most part a 50 look on defense. I dont think they will be running the 50 against SLC. I think they may run a 4-3 more than likely which honestly creates a huge question itself. MNW is used to having the ability to stack all those guys in the box and is able to shut down the run and disrupt. However when they are spread out due to formation will they be able to still bring guys effectively like they want with the success they are used to. I think if you are a MNW fan that would be something that concerns me. After looking at Riley Dodge he reminds me of alot of Wake Forrest QB Riley Skinner formerly of the Bolles School however I think Dodge has better mobility but they are very similar in all the other aspects.

[drgnbkr]

If you guys want to see more Northwestern stuff here is a link. Hopefully it will work. Go down on your right and look at 2008 sneak preview. The film quality on this site is much better than what you have probably seen.

http://sunshinepreps.net/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/limit,4/limitstart,12/

I couldn't get it to work, even though I registered and got a password. I did notice they were excited to have Riley registered for their July 1,2 & 3rd camp out in Florida. Had some good video of him.

[football101]

Yeah actually I think only 2008 sneak peaks work and I think they have already took last years prospects videos off.

Here are some film of Bolles 2A champs

http://flavarsity.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=48901

Chaminade team coached by Texasfrogs fav coach

http://flavarsity.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=43681

Tampa Plant 4A champs last year

http://flavarsity.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=48944

St Augustine

http://flavarsity.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=48565

Just click on highlight videos. Thats just a quick look at some of the better teams here in FL.

[drgnbkr]

One thing I might add in my own viewing of MNW is they run for the most part a 50 look on defense. I dont think they will be running the 50 against SLC. I think they may run a 4-3 more than likely which honestly creates a huge question itself. MNW is used to having the ability to stack all those guys in the box and is able to shut down the run and disrupt. However when they are spread out due to formation will they be able to still bring guys effectively like they want with the success they are used to. I think if you are a MNW fan that would be something that concerns me. After looking at Riley Dodge he reminds me of alot of Wake Forrest QB Riley Skinner formerly of the Bolles School however I think Dodge has better mobility but they are very similar in all the other aspects.

From past experience, if MNW tries to "bring it" often, Riley will pick them apart. With 4 WR's picking, crossing and going deep, there is an awful lot going on in the defensive backfield. If MNW is not disciplined enough in their coverage schemes, they will not be able to account for everyone. If they try and drop 5-7 in coverage, Tre usually has a field day. As we say "pick your poison" Thats how it's drawn up anyway...It will be fun to see how MNW schemes the D.

[Texasfrog]

One thing I might add in my own viewing of MNW is they run for the most part a 50 look on defense. I dont think they will be running the 50 against SLC. I think they may run a 4-3 more than likely which honestly creates a huge question itself. MNW is used to having the ability to stack all those guys in the box and is able to shut down the run and disrupt. However when they are spread out due to formation will they be able to still bring guys effectively like they want with the success they are used to. I think if you are a MNW fan that would be something that concerns me. After looking at Riley Dodge he reminds me of alot of Wake Forrest QB Riley Skinner formerly of the Bolles School however I think Dodge has better mobility but they are very similar in all the other aspects.

If MNW tries to change their base defense up just for SLC than they will be DEAD. I dont know what they run mostly by I've seen them run the 50 mostly.

Next, I think Coach Guandola will be very successful at Cypress Bay and turn them into a Florida State contender in a very short time. I have a good friend that lives right across the street from the school and they have some nice facilities (baseball, softball and soccer). The football facilities are rather small but I have no doubt he'll change that while he is there.

That school has a pretty large enrollment and appears to have some pretty solid athletes attending it. Plus, the biggest thing (IMO) is that most of the kids appear to come from good families that support School athletics. That part of Weston has many professional parents and families and reminds me of areas like Austin Westlake, SLC and the Woodlands back in Texas.

[ken-in-rockwall]

From past experience, if MNW tries to "bring it" often, Riley will pick them apart. With 4 WR's picking, crossing and going deep, there is an awful lot going on in the defensive backfield. If MNW is not disciplined enough in their coverage schemes, they will not be able to account for everyone. If they try and drop 5-7 in coverage, Tre usually has a field day. As we say "pick your poison" Thats how it's drawn up anyway...It will be fun to see how MNW schemes the D.

I remember this all to well last year.. Rockwall blitzed == Riley long or over the middle; if no-one open, he'd try to run around end or throw it out of bounds and reset... Rockwall put 6 in coverage == Tre up the middle or around the end with ALL WR blocking.. It was close the 1st half, SLC made adjustments, then it was just "fun/amazing" :puke to watch SLC do what they do so well. :D

To FeeltheHaka: I think the differences in the Texas vs Florida rules play a bigger part than most think. I have co-worker who is a ref (won't be doing this game, but other 5A in DFW) and He stated very clearly that the refs have been working/instructed to crack down on celebrations and trash talking/taunting.

[Texasfrog]

I remember this all to well last year.. Rockwall blitzed == Riley long or over the middle; if no-one open, he'd try to run around end or throw it out of bounds and reset... Rockwall put 6 in coverage == Tre up the middle or around the end with ALL WR blocking.. It was close the 1st half, SLC made adjustments, then it was just "fun/amazing" :puke to watch SLC do what they do so well. :D

To FeeltheHaka: I think the differences in the Texas vs Florida rules play a bigger part than most think. I have co-worker who is a ref (won't be doing this game, but other 5A in DFW) and He stated very clearly that the refs have been working/instructed to crack down on celebrations and trash talking/taunting.

Hopefully the "Ref's" wont play that much of a role in this game. I mean if a kid is being a total "JERK" and doing the in-your-face chest poking look at me on National TV and how I'm BAD. Then the REF's need to put that kid in check-fire and give him & the Coach a good warning.

But, I'm all for the minor celebration and getting off the field "ASAP." It's the "LOOK AT ME WORLD" stuff that needs to be put down.

I also hope that the "REF's" let them play ball. I mean unless it's a blatent "Holding" call dont throw the flag.

I remember watching the Glades vs Byrnes,SC game last year and I swear those "Ref's" threw a flag on almost every play. It was "STUPID" and even the tv announcers were saying that someone needs to go tell the ref's to let those boys play some football.

[stevefoxsc]

the fl la ca poster seem awsome, its the loud mouth ohio posters you have to watch for.

[SLC93]

From past experience, if MNW tries to "bring it" often, Riley will pick them apart. With 4 WR's picking, crossing and going deep, there is an awful lot going on in the defensive backfield. If MNW is not disciplined enough in their coverage schemes, they will not be able to account for everyone. If they try and drop 5-7 in coverage, Tre usually has a field day. As we say "pick your poison" Thats how it's drawn up anyway...It will be fun to see how MNW schemes the D.

I would agree with that and add this. A healthy RD is also a big threat with his legs. I'm not proposing he have a big rushing game in this one but that his escapability and poise throwing on the run will play a big factor. If MNW brings heavy heat, I'm not sure they'll maintain their angles & responsibilities. When RD skirts that, he'll have a ton of field open in his sight line.

[SLC93]

Hopefully the "Ref's" wont play that much of a role in this game. I mean if a kid is being a total "JERK" and doing the in-your-face chest poking look at me on National TV and how I'm BAD. Then the REF's need to put that kid in check-fire and give him & the Coach a good warning.

But, I'm all for the minor celebration and getting off the field "ASAP." It's the "LOOK AT ME WORLD" stuff that needs to be put down.

I also hope that the "REF's" let them play ball. I mean unless it's a blatent "Holding" call dont throw the flag.

I remember watching the Glades vs Byrnes,SC game last year and I swear those "Ref's" threw a flag on almost every play. It was "STUPID" and even the tv announcers were saying that someone needs to go tell the ref's to let those boys play some football.

As long as it's a good, clean game the best officiating is when you don't even know their there.

[SLC93]

One thing I might add in my own viewing of MNW is they run for the most part a 50 look on defense. I dont think they will be running the 50 against SLC. I think they may run a 4-3 more than likely which honestly creates a huge question itself. MNW is used to having the ability to stack all those guys in the box and is able to shut down the run and disrupt. However when they are spread out due to formation will they be able to still bring guys effectively like they want with the success they are used to. I think if you are a MNW fan that would be something that concerns me. After looking at Riley Dodge he reminds me of alot of Wake Forrest QB Riley Skinner formerly of the Bolles School however I think Dodge has better mobility but they are very similar in all the other aspects.

Just my opinion but I think changing you entire base defense is the wrong move. Putting in packages,yes, but these kids are going to have so much to deal with I'm not sure that works. Of course, a 50 D is not a great set against a pure spread but it is what your kid's know and where they've had success.

[Lightning40]

Texas Frog wrote "I can promise you those same scouts could come to Camps and do come to Camps in Texas and say the same type of "glowing phrases" toward many of the prospects and kids overall. They do the same in California, Alabama, Louisiana and ect. Although places like Texas, Florida and California will have greater overall numbers."

My question to you is this, if what your saying is true, then why does Texas have 3 times as many high schools as Florida, Cali has 1 and half time as many high schools, both states have more D1 and 1AA colleges then Florida yet, both states barely edge Florida in numbers of recruits to D1 and 1AA.
At last count Florida had 303 kids sign Div 1A and over another 300 go Div1AA, II, III and JUCO and NAIA.

[RidgePride]

Texas Frog wrote "I can promise you those same scouts could come to Camps and do come to Camps in Texas and say the same type of "glowing phrases" toward many of the prospects and kids overall. They do the same in California, Alabama, Louisiana and ect. Although places like Texas, Florida and California will have greater overall numbers."

My question to you is this, if what your saying is true, then why does Texas have 3 times as many high schools as Florida, Cali has 1 and half time as many high schools, both states have more D1 and 1AA colleges then Florida yet, both states barely edge Florida in numbers of recruits to D1 and 1AA.
At last count Florida had 303 kids sign Div 1A and over another 300 go Div1AA, II, III and JUCO and NAIA.

TX is not penalized for having more not so great athletes. Recruiters are looking for the athletes. Example (in very simplistic terms)- A college recruiter can find 60 great athletes in Florida and 80 great athletes in TX.
Just because TX has double the 'not so great athletes' should not mean anything to a recruiter. Just find the good ones and there are more in Ca and TX.

[RidgePride]

One thing I might add in my own viewing of MNW is they run for the most part a 50 look on defense. I dont think they will be running the 50 against SLC. I think they may run a 4-3 more than likely which honestly creates a huge question itself. MNW is used to having the ability to stack all those guys in the box and is able to shut down the run and disrupt. However when they are spread out due to formation will they be able to still bring guys effectively like they want with the success they are used to. I think if you are a MNW fan that would be something that concerns me. After looking at Riley Dodge he reminds me of alot of Wake Forrest QB Riley Skinner formerly of the Bolles School however I think Dodge has better mobility but they are very similar in all the other aspects.

MNW is going to have guys that are not used to covering receivers playing a vital role. Those inside receivers of SLC are very good too.
The 50 defense is just not going to work. Way too primitive. The best defense against SLC has been basically a 3-2-6. - 3 down lineman, 2 linebackers and 6 defensive backs.
I see MNW trying to OUT-Athlete and out muscle SLC and it won't work.
Jamming at the line and bringing the blitz is a perfect example of trying to OUT-Athlete and out muscle a team. Of course SLC has seen this type of play and has killed this game plan.

To Beat SLC, MNW needs a very good game plan; Kids to be disciplined enough to enact the game plan - along with the great athletes.

For MNW sake, they better have an A - B - And C plan.
I am thinking that the MNW coaches will only come prepared with an 'A' Plan thinking they will not need anything else.

[Lightning40]

I have seen MNW play a 3-4 , 3-5, 4-3, 5-2 defenses in the past, they are not a 1 dimensional defense I can assure of that.

[Sakatha]

As I said before.. All is lost. We shouldn't even show up.

~DnM

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

then why does Texas have 3 times as many high schools as Florida, Cali has 1 and half time as many high schools, both states have more D1 and 1AA colleges then Florida yet, both states barely edge Florida in numbers of recruits to D1 and 1AA.

Here's why (an NFL production density map):

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/6355/texaspercapitakf2.jpg

[Lightning40]

I am not saying that, but some on here wanted to debate and talk football, all I did was come here to have fun, but all seem to get is no one can beat SLC and everyone else is just second rate,, besides Dodge and Newton, no one has talked about mentioned any other player from SLC, at least put up something to talk about besides "because I said so"

[Texasfrog]

Here's why (an NFL production density map):

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/6355/texaspercapitakf2.jpg

I tell everyone OakTree.. Just follow I-35 and just about everything East of it in Texas is footballville. Except a very few isolated pockets of West Tx.

[Sakatha]

I am not saying that, but some on here wanted to debate and talk football, all I did was come here to have fun, but all seem to get is no one can beat SLC and everyone else is just second rate,, besides Dodge and Newton, no one has talked about mentioned any other player from SLC, at least put up something to talk about besides "because I said so"

Naw, we have a few other teams that could beat MNW also. ;)

Sorry, I know I am supposed to play nice. You just have to understand that every year, we get so and so comin around throwin all of their 'talent' @ us, and how we can't possibly compete... Well, the results are what they are.

~DnM

[SLCDad]

I am not saying that, but some on here wanted to debate and talk football, all I did was come here to have fun, but all seem to get is no one can beat SLC and everyone else is just second rate,, besides Dodge and Newton, no one has talked about mentioned any other player from SLC, at least put up something to talk about besides "because I said so"

How about power ratings? Both Massey and Freeman pick SLC by a large margin.

How about strength of schedule? SLC's schedule was rated 2 touchdowns per game tougher.

How about the human polls? MNW finally got noticed at the end of 2006 but SLC has been at the top for 5 years.

Dynasty? SLC is 79-1 and 48-0 streak. MNW's streak is 15-0.

Opponents W/L record? SLC wins that one also.

Yardage gained? SLC wins.

TDs scored? SLC wins.

How about SAT scores? Don't ask.

The list goes on.

Pick one. I'll provide the stats.

[Lightning40]

Show me one post where I said MNW was going to win, that SLC has no chance, that no one can compete with them....All I have done is put up info on the team, some individual players and possible game situations...All I got in return about SLC is, MNW cant beat SLC...great argument....later, I see this was a waste of time, SLC may be a great football team, but there is obviously no one on here that knows anything more then the rest of the country knows, that they are 79-1 over the past so many years...later

[Sakatha]

Damnit... Thought he had more staying power than that. I shoud've laid off.

:(

~DnM

p.s. You wouldn't hack it around here come playoff time, my friend. Things get REALLY ugly then.

[BDB]

Show me one post where I said MNW was going to win, that SLC has no chance, that no one can compete with them....All I have done is put up info on the team, some individual players and possible game situations...All I got in return about SLC is, MNW cant beat SLC...great argument....later, I see this was a waste of time, SLC may be a great football team, but there is obviously no one on here that knows anything more then the rest of the country knows, that they are 79-1 over the past so many years...later

so wait......you are mad becuase everytime you posted there was an answer for it?? or because no one here is saying that MNW is going to win? sorry dude but most people here are dragons or fans of people who have lost to the dragons.

wow, this dude blew up quick, grow some backbone. you came to a tx site and after 5 posts you got mad, get over it

[Lightning40]

Not mad, could care less, just thought I could get some intelligent conversation,

I know maybe we try it this way..

Question and Answer

Q:Who besides Dodge and Newton play on the starting offense?

Q:What are the stats on their best OL?

Q: Who was their leading tackler last year:

Q:Who led the team in INT's

Q:How many player return on each side of the ball from last years team?

Q: What DB can match up with Streeter?

Q:Kind of D does SLC base out of?


Any idea anyone?..come on lets talk football

[Texasfrog]

Texas Frog wrote "I can promise you those same scouts could come to Camps and do come to Camps in Texas and say the same type of "glowing phrases" toward many of the prospects and kids overall. They do the same in California, Alabama, Louisiana and ect. Although places like Texas, Florida and California will have greater overall numbers."

My question to you is this, if what your saying is true, then why does Texas have 3 times as many high schools as Florida, Cali has 1 and half time as many high schools, both states have more D1 and 1AA colleges then Florida yet, both states barely edge Florida in numbers of recruits to D1 and 1AA.
At last count Florida had 303 kids sign Div 1A and over another 300 go Div1AA, II, III and JUCO and NAIA.

Here is an artical right from the Orlando Sentinel Sports "Recruiting Section" from this year.

RECRUITING CENTRAL
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Bill Buchalter
Texas secures a hold on most D-I signees
Published March 4, 2007


Thanks to research by Orlando's Peter Thomson, the top 10 states for Division I football signings are: 1. Texas (374); 2. California (332); 3. Florida (313); 4. Ohio (157); 5. Georgia (151); 6. Pennsylvania (94); 7. Louisiana (85); 7. North Carolina (85); 9. Alabama (84) and 10. Illinois (72).

The second 10: 11. Michigan (67); 12. Mississippi (65); 13. New Jersey (64); 13. Virginia (64); 15. Tennessee (53); 16. South Carolina (44); 17. Arkansas (35); 18. Arizona (34); 19. Washington (31); 20. Maryland (26).

Texas has 10 schools with Division I programs signing up to 25 players a year. So does Ohio, with six schools in the Mid-American Conference. Florida and California each have seven D-I programs.
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Now, this is just with the D-1A signees. Texas had roughly 60 more than Florida.

Now, Texas also sends probably another 100 to (D-1AA) in the Southland Conference and a few other D-1AA Conferences.

Texas sends probably another 100 to (D1-AA) programs on some type of athletic funding.

Texas sends another probably 200 to JUCO ball around the country. Which Texas has some of the best JUCO ball going.

So, the football numbers in Texas with kids that are going into the next level of football are pretty good.

That's why I said the college scouts can come to a football camp in Florida and give rave reviews about some Florida kids. Guess what, you can come to camps in Texas and hear those same rave glowing reviews about the same amount of Texas kids. Wont be any differenet and that's a 100% fact.

Next and more importantly. None of this has one thing to do with great High School football. Future (D-1A) future NFL or so forth. If your not from Texas and have never seen much Texas HS football this will some totally foreign too you and you'll think I'm insane. But in Texas , you'll find the so called "ELITE TEAMs" will have some very good talent (future D-1's). But, they arent the pulse of the team. The pulse of the team is the so called "AVERAGE JOE's" that probably wont ever see a down of college football. They make the team "GREAT." In Texas we have 1,000's of those hardcore "AVERAGE JOE's" and they wont ever show up on any College Scouting recruiting list but I'll promise you they'll give any so called "Bluechip prospect" one heck of a challenge on the HS football field. That's what makes Texas HS football Great and that's what makes the Texas HS football competition such a good product with depth.

Thrown in the fact that this kids start playing "SCHOOL" football under the same organized staffs in the 7th Grade. It makes the High school product and the Varsity team product even more salty. This isnt Uncle Joe's Pop Warner team but this is organized "coaching staff" taught football in the 7th grade.

Next...... Texas must has some salty College players. We have 10 (D-1A) programs that are loaded with 95% Texas kids and almost every year five out of the 10 make Bowl Games and are contenders in their Conferences.

Plus, Univ-Miami, FSU and even Florida (Big-3) make many trips to Texas to Scout a lot of our Texas HS football players. DE-Jarvis Moss (Denton Ryan,Tx) sure looked good making all those plays in the National Champs (Florida) against Ohio St. So good that the Denver Broncos drafted him #1.

[RidgePride]

Show me one post where I said MNW was going to win, that SLC has no chance, that no one can compete with them....All I have done is put up info on the team, some individual players and possible game situations...All I got in return about SLC is, MNW cant beat SLC...great argument....later, I see this was a waste of time, SLC may be a great football team, but there is obviously no one on here that knows anything more then the rest of the country knows, that they are 79-1 over the past so many years...later

Well just as the game is not played on paper, the game is not played on the internet either.

We can give you all the reasons in the world SLC will win. And you can give all the reasons why MNW will win.

The only ones who will decide the game is SLC and MNW. Maybe the MNW athletes will prove to be too much for SLC maybe not.

We will see Sept 15th.

SLC 52
MNW 33

[BDB]

there are about 3 questions that actually deal wit th team. personal stats are nice and all, but what about strategy is more important to most people here. you can have a team with about 13-14 d1 prospects(lufkin, dallas carter) can and usually will lose to a team with a better strategy with only 3-4 d1 prospects.

and for the record, not a dragon fan.

[SLCDad]

Not mad, could care less, just thought I could get some intelligent conversation,

I know maybe we try it this way..

Question and Answer

Q:Who besides Dodge and Newton play on the starting offense?

Q:What are the stats on their best OL?

Q: Who was their leading tackler last year:

Q:Who led the team in INT's

Q:How many player return on each side of the ball from last years team?

Q: What DB can match up with Streeter?

Q:Kind of D does SLC base out of?


Any idea anyone?..come on lets talk football

This may help you. Check out the unit rankings and top players by position. SLC blows away everybody on offense. Defense is the question mark.

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/GridironGuide07/Main/guide07.htm

SLC had the highest rated offense in the nation in 2006 (Massey) and they return 8 offensive starters.

On defense they return 2 starters but the talent pool is deep in Southlake. SLC has 2 Freshman and 2 JV teams. The 5 teams at SLC combined only lost 1 game in 2006.

[Texasfrog]

I am not saying that, but some on here wanted to debate and talk football, all I did was come here to have fun, but all seem to get is no one can beat SLC and everyone else is just second rate,, besides Dodge and Newton, no one has talked about mentioned any other player from SLC, at least put up something to talk about besides "because I said so"

Lighting, first you on a Texas football board so you got to know that many of the Texas folks are going to root for SLC. That's a no brainer.

Next, I honestly think many people in Texas believe that SLC is going to win the game.

I think SLC is going to win the game.

The list of "athletes" that MNW has is impressive and I'm sure they are solid athletes that deserve the "bluechip" label next to their names. I'm sure that many of them will have their pick of College Programs. But, that doesnt mean much in Texas.

Like I stated once. In Texas it's more about the "Average Joe's" on the TEAM and it's about the Coaching and the system in place.

Oh ya, just so you know. There is probably about 8, SLC Seniors that will sign D-1A scholarships. Ya, they dont have all those "STARS" by their names on the bluechip list. But, they are very salty High School players surrounded on a TEAM loaded with "GREAT AVERAGE JOE's.";)

[RidgePride]

there are about 3 questions that actually deal wit th team. personal stats are nice and all, but what about strategy is more important to most people here. you can have a team with about 13-14 d1 prospects(lufkin, dallas carter) can and usually will lose to a team with a better strategy with only 3-4 d1 prospects.

and for the record, not a dragon fan.

Lightning wants to play this game on paper.
On paper MNW wins easily. We can at least concede that.

In TX, It takes more than paper - Florida will soon find out.

[Owned05]

Ya know, I used to live in Lakeland but never got the chance to goto HS there instead I got a chance to attend Katy HS. Thank God.

The brand of football in Florida is nowhere near the level that it is in Texas. Case closed. I don't see a way that anyone from Florida can actually debate that. That's assuming they've seen a top Texas HS football team play.

FL teams are a bunch of individuals playing football. Texas teams are just that..TEAMS.

Oh, and I love the way that the FL fans and MNW fans are trying to flaunt there "athletes". They don't understand that SLC has played and beaten teams with handfuls of D1 prospects.

I'm going to go out a limb and say that Carroll gets up by 3 TDs then you start seeing MNW players with there heads down, hands on there hips, and arguing with eachother. I've seen it so many times while watching Katy. We've shut down guys like Selvin Young (RB, UT), Aaron Ross (DB Thorpe Award Winner, UT), Vince Young (Yea, you know who he is, UT), that whole 2002 Humble team that was loaded with D1 spects.

I think it all comes down to discipline. Those kids in FL don't have any. Besides, that coaching staff down in MNW probably has 5 or 6 plays they run a game. 'Hitch to our stud WR, Out to our stud WR, Post to our stud WR, Sweep Left, Sweep Right, HB Dive.'

It's like some Madden crap.

Guranteed.

[WestlandTiger'95]

Hey lightning, dont run so soon. Dont let the SLC guys run you off. You are right and your points are great. You have given great insight on a great florida team. Most on here agree with you and appreciate you giving the background on the "right coast" brand of football. It's just unforntunate that you are being lumped into a category with other floridians that are trash talkers when you havent talked trash at all and are looking for soom good football conversation.

My advice stay around and keep it up and ignore most of the homers....now if we start talking katy football...I reserve the right to take back all that i just said!:p :D

I for one am scared for SLC, mainly because they represent our state....when they lose i want it to be to a texas team.

This is going to be a great game and one that in my opinion will be one for the ages. I do wonder about which defense that MNW thinks is their best at stopping SLC, especially with such limited exposure to them....Here in texas we all have seen their style of ball for a while and have some up with many ways of trying to stop it and this has proved very difficult to do. I am just curious so see what def. scheme they think is their best shot.

[SLC93]

I am not saying that, but some on here wanted to debate and talk football, all I did was come here to have fun, but all seem to get is no one can beat SLC and everyone else is just second rate,, besides Dodge and Newton, no one has talked about mentioned any other player from SLC, at least put up something to talk about besides "because I said so"

Remeber this guys & gals. We've been arguing back and forth about this game and it's players for awhile now. Most of us know all about Carroll's roster, player's & coaches. Many of us have posted regarding all these things extensively on previous threads. The new guys from Florida weren't around then & may not know what we're taking for granted. I'll leave it to someone better than myself to provide the info they're wanting. It's not a ridiculous request by any means.

[Lightning40]

Just curious how these two looked this spring, could possibly be a mismatch in the trenches.Both have decent size, but may lack strength and experience that time and the weight room will surely cure.

DL Brayden Burnett 6'3 230 Jr Southlake Carroll
DL Jackson Richards 6'4 234 So Southlake Carroll

[SLC93]

Just curious how these two looked this spring, could possibly be a mismatch in the trenches.Both have decent size, but may lack strength and experience that time and the weight room will surely cure.

DL Brayden Burnett 6'3 230 Jr Southlake Carroll
DL Jackson Richards 6'4 234 So Southlake Carroll

They're stronger than you may think. The weight will continue to come with age. From what I know Burnett was very solid. Richards is young but has the potential to be one of the best defenders to ever play at Carroll & may end up being the most highly recruited defender ever.

[Texasfrog]

Not mad, could care less, just thought I could get some intelligent conversation,

I know maybe we try it this way..

Question and Answer

Q:Who besides Dodge and Newton play on the starting offense?

WR-Cantu (Several D-1A offers).
WR- Brainard (D-1A offers)
OT- S.Schwartzstein (D-1A offers)
OG- J.Jackson (D-1A offers)
C- N. Leppo (D-1A offers).
along with QB-Dodge and RB-Newton (Texas commits).

Q:What are the stats on their best OL? Texas 5A State Champs "Best Stat you can get."

Q: Who was their leading tackler last year: Derek Tomlin is the leading returning tackler.. (D-1A offers). About (6-0/200) and very fast and can run toe to toe with anyone on MNW team.

Q:Who led the team in INT's: Luke Anderson is the only returning starting DB. He is about (5-10ish/180) and fast. He might get some D-1A respect but probably more of a D-1AA prospect (IMO).

Q:How many player return on each side of the ball from last years team?
7 offensive
2 defensive

with about 8 other kids that saw plenty of playing time.

Q: What DB can match up with Streeter? Who knows... Defensive Teamwork. I'm sure they will put their most athletic DB on him

Q:Kind of D does SLC base out of? Basically a 4-3.

Any idea anyone?..come on lets talk football

Black Bold.

[SLC93]

Black Bold.

That's a little better. Educate him before you roast him;)

[football101]

I dont know if any of you guys have visited the actual links I posted earlier but I was just showing the various styles of teams here. SLC vs MNW will be very interesting. I would like to think given the fact they are the home team and will have pretty much all the intangible factors in their favor that SLC is the favorite by 8 points (the fact that they dont have to travel is worth that alone). I cant say who is going to win and what the score might be. There are alot of factors in this game. The main key will be how SLC's defensive front and second level (LB's) handle the offensive line of MNW. I think if SLC can stop MNW's run game then as a coach I would be willing to take my chances with their sometimes erratic passing game.

I have watched several (about 4 ) SLC games from past to present. I hear alot about SLC's offense but being that I am defensive coach I have paid particular attention to the defensive schemes of SLC. I like the 4-3 blitz scheme that they run and I believe that if they pick the right situations they will be able to get to MNW's QB. However, a blitzing scheme may subject to hit or miss principles in the fact that if you get caught in a stunt it could leave for a big gain. In the ET game I saw how the front four of SLC was gashed by quit hitting plays up the middle. That would concern me as a SLC fan especially since all of those guys are gone. I have read the the size of your DL and they will be up against a huge size mismatch on the interior portion of the line and SLC will have to come up with a good scheme to offset that. I know alot of you guys are banking on the run production of the NW offense to be down a little due to the departure of Easterling but that is overhyped. The kid backing him up last year coupled with a transfer from STA will be more than enough to fill the shoes of the departed Easterling. The other question mark is what defensive scheme will MNW come up with against SLC. I know they will not blitz every down and they wont be running a 50 thats for sure. However what will they do? My guess is they will run some 4-3 and possibly some 3 man line stuff and bring at least 1 or 2 guys when they do that. However the types of coverage they will run is a mystery. Personally, not saying I am football genius or anything but the two things I would do is bring guys off the edge in an attempt to keep Dodge from getting outside the pocket and buying time and contain him. The other thing I would do is when I am not blitzing I would play off and give them the underneath stuff and take Cantu away (roll my coverage to him) and force SLC to nickel and dime me with the other guys. I would be willing to take my chances with finding out if wr's 3 and 4 could beat me consistently. You could possibly do it with a mulitiple 4-2-5, 3-3-5, 3-2-6 scheme. Mix in a blitz or two with that and I think that IMHO is the best way to defend SLC. Will MNW do this though that is one of those big question marks that only their head ball coach can answer at this point.

[Texasfrog]

That's a little better. Educate him before you roast him;)

Hey, I'm being nice now..:D I'm sure someone will send a few RPG's my way before the nights up.:rolleyes:

[Lightning40]

Nice response TXFrog

My best guess as to Coach Smith's first response to SLC offense will be to play some sort of 3-5 Defense using a cover 2 over the top and man under neath to see if his kids can run with SLC WR's, I feel to be effective running the ball SLC will more then likely have to double team at the point of attack, Forston is a recking crew up front, and the best way to attack that defense is to run straight at it. If you try to take it wide or stretch you will be in for a long day on the ground..those LB's cover side line to side line very well and have the speed to track down most RB's(Newton maybe different) if they spread and run Zone he better look for the cut back lanes quickly.

[Texasfrog]

I dont know if any of you guys have visited the actual links I posted earlier but I was just showing the various styles of teams here. SLC vs MNW will be very interesting. I would like to think given the fact they are the home team and will have pretty much all the intangible factors in their favor that SLC is the favorite by 8 points (the fact that they dont have to travel is worth that alone). I cant say who is going to win and what the score might be. There are alot of factors in this game. The main key will be how SLC's defensive front and second level (LB's) handle the offensive line of MNW. I think if SLC can stop MNW's run game then as a coach I would be willing to take my chances with their sometimes erratic passing game.

I have watched several (about 4 ) SLC games from past to present. I hear alot about SLC's offense but being that I am defensive coach I have paid particular attention to the defensive schemes of SLC. I like the 4-3 blitz scheme that they run and I believe that if they pick the right situations they will be able to get to MNW's QB. However, a blitzing scheme may subject to hit or miss principles in the fact that if you get caught in a stunt it could leave for a big gain. In the ET game I saw how the front four of SLC was gashed by quit hitting plays up the middle. That would concern me as a SLC fan especially since all of those guys are gone. I have read the the size of your DL and they will be up against a huge size mismatch on the interior portion of the line and SLC will have to come up with a good scheme to offset that. I know alot of you guys are banking on the run production of the NW offense to be down a little due to the departure of Easterling but that is overhyped. The kid backing him up last year coupled with a transfer from STA will be more than enough to fill the shoes of the departed Easterling. The other question mark is what defensive scheme will MNW come up with against SLC. I know they will not blitz every down and they wont be running a 50 thats for sure. However what will they do? My guess is they will run some 4-3 and possibly some 3 man line stuff and bring at least 1 or 2 guys when they do that. However the types of coverage they will run is a mystery. Personally, not saying I am football genius or anything but the two things I would do is bring guys off the edge in an attempt to keep Dodge from getting outside the pocket and buying time and contain him. The other thing I would do is when I am not blitzing I would play off and give them the underneath stuff and take Cantu away (roll my coverage to him) and force SLC to nickel and dime me with the other guys. I would be willing to take my chances with finding out if wr's 3 and 4 could beat me consistently. You could possibly do it with a mulitiple 4-2-5, 3-3-5, 3-2-6 scheme. Mix in a blitz or two with that and I think that IMHO is the best way to defend SLC. Will MNW do this though that is one of those big question marks that only their head ball coach can answer at this point.

All that stuff sounds great. I'm sure some of it would and will work. Now all the MNW coaches have to do is "Coach Em-up" to do that. I think that's where the challenge is more than anything.;)

It's one thing to sit down and put it all out and it's a totally nother thing to execute it.

Trust me, there is many other coaching staffs around Texas that have tried to come up with ways too not only beat SLC but to try and slow them down.

It's like playing against a great RB. The goal isnt to stop him from getting his yards. You know his going to do that. The goal is to try and contain him and keep him from running wild. Well, that's what MNW is going to have to figure out. How to contain the SLC offensive machine and keep it from running Wild.

[football101]

Personally I dont like the Cover 2 look vs SLC. I have seen teams try to do this and everytime they run a deep out on one side and a guy over the top on a post and a guy under running a skinny post and usually they hit either one of those guys in stride for big gains. SLC's favorite route is that deep post route. I would prefer 3 man coverage and take my chances with the quick outs and putting my DB's better position to either break up the pass or at least tackle the guy. Its also better against that post corner as well.

[RidgePride]

I dont know if any of you guys have visited the actual links I posted earlier but I was just showing the various styles of teams here. SLC vs MNW will be very interesting. I would like to think given the fact they are the home team and will have pretty much all the intangible factors in their favor that SLC is the favorite by 8 points (the fact that they dont have to travel is worth that alone). I cant say who is going to win and what the score might be. There are alot of factors in this game. The main key will be how SLC's defensive front and second level (LB's) handle the offensive line of MNW. I think if SLC can stop MNW's run game then as a coach I would be willing to take my chances with their sometimes erratic passing game.

I have watched several (about 4 ) SLC games from past to present. I hear alot about SLC's offense but being that I am defensive coach I have paid particular attention to the defensive schemes of SLC. I like the 4-3 blitz scheme that they run and I believe that if they pick the right situations they will be able to get to MNW's QB. However, a blitzing scheme may subject to hit or miss principles in the fact that if you get caught in a stunt it could leave for a big gain. In the ET game I saw how the front four of SLC was gashed by quit hitting plays up the middle. That would concern me as a SLC fan especially since all of those guys are gone. I have read the the size of your DL and they will be up against a huge size mismatch on the interior portion of the line and SLC will have to come up with a good scheme to offset that. I know alot of you guys are banking on the run production of the NW offense to be down a little due to the departure of Easterling but that is overhyped. The kid backing him up last year coupled with a transfer from STA will be more than enough to fill the shoes of the departed Easterling. The other question mark is what defensive scheme will MNW come up with against SLC. I know they will not blitz every down and they wont be running a 50 thats for sure. However what will they do? My guess is they will run some 4-3 and possibly some 3 man line stuff and bring at least 1 or 2 guys when they do that. However the types of coverage they will run is a mystery. Personally, not saying I am football genius or anything but the two things I would do is bring guys off the edge in an attempt to keep Dodge from getting outside the pocket and buying time and contain him. The other thing I would do is when I am not blitzing I would play off and give them the underneath stuff and take Cantu away (roll my coverage to him) and force SLC to nickel and dime me with the other guys. I would be willing to take my chances with finding out if wr's 3 and 4 could beat me consistently. You could possibly do it with a mulitiple 4-2-5, 3-3-5, 3-2-6 scheme. Mix in a blitz or two with that and I think that IMHO is the best way to defend SLC. Will MNW do this though that is one of those big question marks that only their head ball coach can answer at this point.


That is basically what Katy did when they beat SLC. Katy's offense played keep away with a ground it out attack. They "gave" SLC the underneath stuff while protecting against the deep pass. This forced SLC to nickle and dime and take more time off the clock. This made SLC offense more predictable. As SLC continued nickling down the field, on their last possesion, one of the Katy defenders perfectly times one of Daniels passes and picks it off securing the victory.


I think the MNW coaches believe in their talent and will not come up with an elaborate scheme.

[Texasfrog]

Nice response TXFrog

My best guess as to Coach Smith's first response to SLC offense will be to play some sort of 3-5 Defense using a cover 2 over the top and man under neath to see if his kids can run with SLC WR's, I feel to be effective running the ball SLC will more then likely have to double team at the point of attack, Forston is a recking crew up front, and the best way to attack that defense is to run straight at it. If you try to take it wide or stretch you will be in for a long day on the ground..those LB's cover side line to side line very well and have the speed to track down most RB's(Newton maybe different) if they spread and run Zone he better look for the cut back lanes quickly.

Well, whatever their (MNW) base defense is. I wouldnt make major changes to it right before I play SLC. That would be a huge coaching blunder. Those MNW defenders have better have their techinques and assignments down when they play SLC. If not the game will be over very quickly. I'm not trying to sound like a Smart-A. I'm just stating a 100% fact.

I will be curious to see how the MNW secondary plays against SLC and what they do... Man or Zone or some of both.

As far as Newton and the SLC running game. It's not common for them to call running plays around the edge. If there is a running play around the edge it's usually Dodge. I would say that most of SLC running plays are what most coaches call the "DART" where they read the defense very quickly and see a gap to attack and hit for a quick 5 yard gain. Not a lot of stuff off the edges unless it cutbacks that way.

They work the under belly of the defense to loosen it up and then strike you with quick passes. Their offense is a total balancing act (run & pass) and if MNW doesnt have solid "Depth" on the rotation. It's over.

If you watch games with ET , Lufkin and few others over the years. You'll see that they rotate their D-lineman and even DB's because they have to stay fresh. IF MNW doesnt have that quality depth to rotate with it's going to hurt them bigtime.

Of coarse this is all my opinion...

[SLC93]

Hey, I'm being nice now..:D I'm sure someone will send a few RPG's my way before the nights up.:rolleyes:

;)

[cajun]

Here is an artical right from the Orlando Sentinel Sports "Recruiting Section" from this year.

RECRUITING CENTRAL
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Bill Buchalter
Texas secures a hold on most D-I signees
Published March 4, 2007


Thanks to research by Orlando's Peter Thomson, the top 10 states for Division I football signings are: 1. Texas (374); 2. California (332); 3. Florida (313); 4. Ohio (157); 5. Georgia (151); 6. Pennsylvania (94); 7. Louisiana (85); 7. North Carolina (85); 9. Alabama (84) and 10. Illinois (72).

The second 10: 11. Michigan (67); 12. Mississippi (65); 13. New Jersey (64); 13. Virginia (64); 15. Tennessee (53); 16. South Carolina (44); 17. Arkansas (35); 18. Arizona (34); 19. Washington (31); 20. Maryland (26).

Texas has 10 schools with Division I programs signing up to 25 players a year. So does Ohio, with six schools in the Mid-American Conference. Florida and California each have seven D-I programs.
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Now, this is just with the D-1A signees. Texas had roughly 60 more than Florida.

Now, Texas also sends probably another 100 to (D-1AA) in the Southland Conference and a few other D-1AA Conferences.

Texas sends probably another 100 to (D1-AA) programs on some type of athletic funding.

Texas sends another probably 200 to JUCO ball around the country. Which Texas has some of the best JUCO ball going.

So, the football numbers in Texas with kids that are going into the next level of football are pretty good.

That's why I said the college scouts can come to a football camp in Florida and give rave reviews about some Florida kids. Guess what, you can come to camps in Texas and hear those same rave glowing reviews about the same amount of Texas kids. Wont be any differenet and that's a 100% fact.

Next and more importantly. None of this has one thing to do with great High School football. Future (D-1A) future NFL or so forth. If your not from Texas and have never seen much Texas HS football this will some totally foreign too you and you'll think I'm insane. But in Texas , you'll find the so called "ELITE TEAMs" will have some very good talent (future D-1's). But, they arent the pulse of the team. The pulse of the team is the so called "AVERAGE JOE's" that probably wont ever see a down of college football. They make the team "GREAT." In Texas we have 1,000's of those hardcore "AVERAGE JOE's" and they wont ever show up on any College Scouting recruiting list but I'll promise you they'll give any so called "Bluechip prospect" one heck of a challenge on the HS football field. That's what makes Texas HS football Great and that's what makes the Texas HS football competition such a good product with depth.

Thrown in the fact that this kids start playing "SCHOOL" football under the same organized staffs in the 7th Grade. It makes the High school product and the Varsity team product even more salty. This isnt Uncle Joe's Pop Warner team but this is organized "coaching staff" taught football in the 7th grade.

Next...... Texas must has some salty College players. We have 10 (D-1A) programs that are loaded with 95% Texas kids and almost every year five out of the 10 make Bowl Games and are contenders in their Conferences.

Plus, Univ-Miami, FSU and even Florida (Big-3) make many trips to Texas to Scout a lot of our Texas HS football players. DE-Jarvis Moss (Denton Ryan,Tx) sure looked good making all those plays in the National Champs (Florida) against Ohio St. So good that the Denver Broncos drafted him #1.


Some more useless information that sounds nice but, really doesn't mean a whole lot.....Texas has the most D-1 signings AND Texas has the most scappy joes.. :D

Texas, California and Florida probably have the most D-1 schools out of anyone in the nation...I may have to do alittle research but, I believe those three states probably have the most colleges period-would stand to reason.....Sure, Texas loses a few blue-chippers to other schools, just like any other state...


Anyways, the puzzling part to me is why hasn't Texas just been racking up National Championships on the college level like Florida and California....You would think that the University of Texas would just reload year after year with all this "stud" talent-"don't forget the scappy joes" in Texas....OR, one of the other Texas teams would make an impact....Not the case really....Like the frog said though Texas D-1 schools are always competitive.....BUT, you would think with 374 D-1 and the 1.5 million scappy joes signings they would be more of a force on the national level...

I mean look at Rutgers last year....Rutgers was a NOBODY....They started recruiting heavy in South Florida picking up the leftovers and now Rutgers on the map alittle....

My point?...None of this means anything.....There's good football played everywhere in this great land.....Texas doesn't own the "scappy joe" trademark....

froggie said>DE-Jarvis Moss (Denton Ryan,Tx) sure looked good making all those plays in the National Champs (Florida) against Ohio St. So good that the Denver Broncos drafted him #1


Yeah, that's the reason Florida beat Ohio State last year...Keep thinking that froggie...:)

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Anyways, the puzzling part to me is why hasn't Texas just been racking up National Championships on the college level like Florida and California....

The same reason Miami has stunk the last 4 years and FSU has stunk the last 6. The same reason Florida was a joke under Ron Zook and then immediately a champion under Urban Meyer with primarily the same kids. The same reason Oklahoma stunk before Stoops. The same reason USC stunk before Petey C came along. Football is about more than talent. Go let Howard Schnelly, Jimmy Johnson (and the UNBELIEVABLE staff that he had... go check it out if you want to see a loaded coaching staff), Bobby Bowden, Steve Spurrier all in the prime of their coaching careers take over Texas, Texas A&M, and Texas Tech between 1983-2001 and you'd see a few more rings.

Oklahoma hasn't been having all of that success this decade because of Oklahoma High School talent. Rosters stuffed with Texas kids have seen more than one national championship game this decade, some just chose to play for the bad guys. Texas and OU are right up there with anyone since Brown and Stoops took over and don't look to be slowing down any time soon. If we can get the Ags to turn it around and keep some of those East Texas kids from bolting to LSU/OU and find a defense in Lubbock, you've got two more who are really close to being top 20 teams year in and year out. That's not to mention what TCU has done, and what I think UNT and Houston might be doing the next 4 or 5 years.

[Texasfrog]

Here is an artical right from the Orlando Sentinel Sports "Recruiting Section" from this year.

RECRUITING CENTRAL
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Bill Buchalter
Texas secures a hold on most D-I signees
Published March 4, 2007


Thanks to research by Orlando's Peter Thomson, the top 10 states for Division I football signings are: 1. Texas (374); 2. California (332); 3. Florida (313); 4. Ohio (157); 5. Georgia (151); 6. Pennsylvania (94); 7. Louisiana (85); 7. North Carolina (85); 9. Alabama (84) and 10. Illinois (72).

The second 10: 11. Michigan (67); 12. Mississippi (65); 13. New Jersey (64); 13. Virginia (64); 15. Tennessee (53); 16. South Carolina (44); 17. Arkansas (35); 18. Arizona (34); 19. Washington (31); 20. Maryland (26).

Texas has 10 schools with Division I programs signing up to 25 players a year. So does Ohio, with six schools in the Mid-American Conference. Florida and California each have seven D-I programs.
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Now, this is just with the D-1A signees. Texas had roughly 60 more than Florida.

Now, Texas also sends probably another 100 to (D-1AA) in the Southland Conference and a few other D-1AA Conferences.

Texas sends probably another 100 to (D1-AA) programs on some type of athletic funding.

Texas sends another probably 200 to JUCO ball around the country. Which Texas has some of the best JUCO ball going.

So, the football numbers in Texas with kids that are going into the next level of football are pretty good.

That's why I said the college scouts can come to a football camp in Florida and give rave reviews about some Florida kids. Guess what, you can come to camps in Texas and hear those same rave glowing reviews about the same amount of Texas kids. Wont be any differenet and that's a 100% fact.

Next and more importantly. None of this has one thing to do with great High School football. Future (D-1A) future NFL or so forth. If your not from Texas and have never seen much Texas HS football this will some totally foreign too you and you'll think I'm insane. But in Texas , you'll find the so called "ELITE TEAMs" will have some very good talent (future D-1's). But, they arent the pulse of the team. The pulse of the team is the so called "AVERAGE JOE's" that probably wont ever see a down of college football. They make the team "GREAT." In Texas we have 1,000's of those hardcore "AVERAGE JOE's" and they wont ever show up on any College Scouting recruiting list but I'll promise you they'll give any so called "Bluechip prospect" one heck of a challenge on the HS football field. That's what makes Texas HS football Great and that's what makes the Texas HS football competition such a good product with depth.

Thrown in the fact that this kids start playing "SCHOOL" football under the same organized staffs in the 7th Grade. It makes the High school product and the Varsity team product even more salty. This isnt Uncle Joe's Pop Warner team but this is organized "coaching staff" taught football in the 7th grade.

Next...... Texas must has some salty College players. We have 10 (D-1A) programs that are loaded with 95% Texas kids and almost every year five out of the 10 make Bowl Games and are contenders in their Conferences.

Plus, Univ-Miami, FSU and even Florida (Big-3) make many trips to Texas to Scout a lot of our Texas HS football players. DE-Jarvis Moss (Denton Ryan,Tx) sure looked good making all those plays in the National Champs (Florida) against Ohio St. So good that the Denver Broncos drafted him #1.


I guess our Cajun"Alligator Man" cant read or he is a very selective reader.

A Florida poster asked about the amount of D-1A prospects and blah blah blah. But, I'll put in Bold Black what your 1st grade education didnt see.

Good night there Alligator Man. Oh ya, "CHER's":rolleyes:

[Texasfrog]

The same reason Miami has stunk the last 4 years and FSU has stunk the last 6. The same reason Florida was a joke under Ron Zook and then immediately a champion under Urban Meyer with primarily the same kids. The same reason Oklahoma stunk before Stoops. The same reason USC stunk before Petey C came along. Football is about more than talent. Go let Howard Schnelly, Jimmy Johnson (and the UNBELIEVABLE staff that he had... go check it out if you want to see a loaded coaching staff), Bobby Bowden, Steve Spurrier all in the prime of their coaching careers take over Texas, Texas A&M, and Texas Tech between 1983-2001 and you'd see a few more rings.

Oklahoma hasn't been having all of that success this decade because of Oklahoma High School talent. Rosters stuffed with Texas kids have seen more than one national championship game this decade, some just chose to play for the bad guys. Texas and OU are right up there with anyone since Brown and Stoops took over and don't look to be slowing down any time soon. If we can get the Ags to turn it around and keep some of those East Texas kids from bolting to LSU/OU and find a defense in Lubbock, you've got two more who are really close to being top 20 teams year in and year out. That's not to mention what TCU has done, and what I think UNT and Houston might be doing the next 4 or 5 years.

Let's not forget the whose who of Texas kids that have gone to LSU over the last 20 years and help make them a SEC power either.

Shoot, when OU played LSU for the National Title in the Sugar Bowl a few years ago. I think there was more Texas kids starting in that game than kids from Oklahoma or Louisiana.:eek:

[cajun]

I guess our Cajun"Alligator Man" cant read or he is a very selective reader.

A Florida poster asked about the amount of D-1A prospects and blah blah blah. But, I'll put in Bold Black what your 1st grade education didnt see.

Good night there Alligator Man. Oh ya, "CHER's":rolleyes:

Sorry froggie...

Looked like some more of your ape like chest pounding to me.....Anything that someone else does Texas does better and has more of-you know, that sort of thing....

I'll have to go back and read the rest of the messages and see where someone challenged Texas....On second though I don't have to!:eek:

[Owned05]

Sorry froggie...

Looked like some more of your ape like chest pounding to me.....Anything that someone else does Texas does better and has more of-you know, that sort of thing....

I'll have to go back and read the rest of the messages and see where someone challenged Texas....On second though I don't have to!:eek:

Dude, you live in Louisiana, shut up.

[farmerfan]

Sorry froggie...

Looked like some more of your ape like chest pounding to me.....Anything that someone else does Texas does better and has more of-you know, that sort of thing....

I'll have to go back and read the rest of the messages and see where someone challenged Texas....On second though I don't have to!:eek:

I like this cajun guy. It has taken him all of 2 days to figure out Special Ed Kermit. The funny thing is that I read where Kermit accused someone else of using selective reading :eek: That just shocks me considering the reputation Kermie has been known to have since joining this board.

[cajun]

Dude, you live in Louisiana, shut up.

You live in Texas and looks like you are a Met Fan...Should you be talking?...I'll have to check with the froggie but, that's probably why the Astros and Rangers don't have 15 World Series rings each...:D

[farmerfan]

You live in Texas and looks like you are a Met Fan...Should you be talking?...I'll have to check with the froggie but, that's probably why the Astros and Rangers don't have 15 World Series rings each...:D

BWHAAAAA Classic my friend. Thats pure greatness.
Sorry Astro and Ranger fans.

[cajun]

I like this cajun guy. It has taken him all of 2 days to figure out Special Ed Kermit. The funny thing is that I read where Kermit accused someone else of using selective reading :eek: That just shocks me considering the reputation Kermie has been known to have since joining this board.

Thanks farmerfan....I'm enjoying this forum....Alot of fun and great information here....

You know sometimes though you just gotta tip your hat to the other guy without making 100 excuses...I'll never do that here....If I do, I would expect someone to get on my butt!

[SLC93]

You live in Texas and looks like you are a Met Fan...Should you be talking?...I'll have to check with the froggie but, that's probably why the Astros and Rangers don't have 15 World Series rings each...:D

Ouch:D

[drgnbkr]

Wow..I go out to dinner for a couple of hours and look at what happens...:eek: I've tried to read and absorb all the threads since this afternoon and I have one thing to offer..no one since Katy in 03 has really been able to run and score effectively on Carroll..I don't think MNW is going to start, regardless of the turnover with the Carroll D, and if MNW has to try and make their living with the pass they are in for a long game...This is just my opinion..not an argument..lightening, hurricane and others...welcome...

[svhorns]

BWHAAAAA Classic my friend. Thats pure greatness.
Sorry Astro and Ranger fans.

Its alright... the first step is admitting it... The Rangers suck... but... who won the bet

[svhorns]

Thanks farmerfan....I'm enjoying this forum....Alot of fun and great information here....

You know sometimes though you just gotta tip your hat to the other guy without making 100 excuses...I'll never do that here....If I do, I would expect someone to get on my butt!

Enjoy your time here... It can get pretty intense... but we're Texans and we love our football... goodluck Cajun... :D

[BDB]

Dude, you live in Louisiana, shut up.

PWNED!

no sarcasm there

[cajun]

PWNED!

no sarcasm there

I'm kinda new but, what does this "PWNED" mean?

Thanks...

[BDB]

I'm kinda new but, what does this "PWNED" mean?

Thanks...

its internet talk, owned. lol

[drgnbkr]

Welcome Cajun! It's offseason and we get a little testy at times, but glad to see somebody from coonass country!

[FeeltheHaka]

If anything has come of this; it is finally knowing the sizes of Southlake's players. For the last couple of years, it seems nearly impossible to find this.

[BDB]

:p If anything has come of this; it is finally knowing the sizes of Southlake's players. For the last couple of years, it seems nearly impossible to find this.

before they used to be yoda size.......it wasnt worth posting:p

[dragons08]

I'm kinda new but, what does this "PWNED" mean?

Thanks...

what a noob.

[dragons08]

If anything has come of this; it is finally knowing the sizes of Southlake's players. For the last couple of years, it seems nearly impossible to find this.

aren't their heights listed in the programs and on the "unoffical" website..the league lineup one.

[svhorns]

Welcome Cajun! It's offseason and we get a little testy at times, but glad to see somebody from coonass country!

ooo he got you good you sucker:D

[cajun]

what a noob.

Let me guess...A Chicago Cubs fan ...:D

We got any "real" Texans here that like the Astros and Rangers and speak American..

[svhorns]

Let me guess...A Chicago Cubs fan ...:D

We got any "real" Texans here that like the Astros and Rangers and speak American..

we dont admit to liking the Houston LASTros or The Texas LAMEgers 'roun here.... but I am a Rangers fan.... *sigh* we still seem to be looking for pitchers... for some reason thats been like a 10 year problem we cant solve...

[Texasfrog]

Sorry froggie...

Looked like some more of your ape like chest pounding to me.....Anything that someone else does Texas does better and has more of-you know, that sort of thing....

I'll have to go back and read the rest of the messages and see where someone challenged Texas....On second though I don't have to!:eek:

You should read all the post before you chime into the conversation at the halfway point and dont have a clue what your talking about.;)

Next, I could really give two-cents about a Major League Baseball. But, If I was going to smart-A comments like that. I would make sure my State (Louisiana) had Major League team first.:eek: Sorry, LSU's baseball team doesnt count.

I think your biggest problem is you have the little boy next door "inferiority complex" when it comes to HS football. It's "OK."

You also totally took the comment about Jarvis Moss out of context also. One of the Florida posters made the comment that College Scouts seem to think Florida kids hit harder and are more aggresive then many other State kids. I told him that is probably more of a perception by a College Scout then anything that is near a fact. I even said that same Scout could come to Texas, California, Alabama, Georgia and oh my God I said Louisiana and that same College Scout would say the same damn thing about their kids. Just that Texas, California and Florida would have a lot more of them. But than again, I could make a freaking list of Texas who's who football players from the last 15 years of Texas kids that have played for National Championship teams from Miami, FSU and even Florida. Heck, even LSU !!

I said DE-Jarvis Moss must of been able to hit and have speed because he started for two years at Florida and help take them to a National Title and become a NFL 1st rd draft pick. But, there was 3 other Texas kids that also received playing time for the National champs (Florida) this year: TE-Tate Casey (Longview), RB- K. Moore (Mansfield Summit) and DT-Brandon Antwine (Garland). I'm sure those 4 Texas kids could of been big helpers on almost any Texas College team.

Let me tell you what State didnt have any players on Florida's National Title team roster .... You guessed it (Louisiana).;)

PS. Now, if you dont mind I'll get back to talking with the Florida folks about the Texas vs Florida game. If you want to make a thread about how Louisiana has all these powerful little Public school 2A's and 3A's that can come play with and beat the Texas Top #50 teams go ahead. Just be advised that we'll send our little powerful schools like Boling, Danbury, Van Vleck and many other Texas 2a's and 3A's over to Louisiana because Curtis, WM and ECA would have to prove on the field they could beat them.

Also, I'm still waiting for you to respond to the thread you started about if SLC and Longview lose and will it be a slap in the face to Texas HS football theory.

Is it going to be a slap in the face to Louisiana HS football is Curtis. (A team that has like freaking 30 State Titles since 1977) loses to a Texas team (Longview) that only has 1 State Title and that was before WWII ?? Seems to me that all the pressure is on Curtis in this game to maintain that Louisiana Power image. Longview is just another very solid Texas team of about (50) but Curtis has more freaking Louisiana State Titles over the last 30 years then anyone.

[cajun]

You should read all the post before you chime into the conversation at the halfway point and dont have a clue what your talking about.;)

Next, I could really give two-cents about a Major League Baseball. But, If I was going to smart-A comments like that. I would make sure my State (Louisiana) had Major League team first.:eek: Sorry, LSU's baseball team doesnt count.

I think your biggest problem is you have the little boy next door "inferiority complex" when it comes to HS football. It's "OK."

You also totally took the comment about Jarvis Moss out of context also. One of the Florida posters made the comment that College Scouts seem to think Florida kids hit harder and are more aggresive then many other State kids. I told him that is probably more of a perception by a College Scout then anything that is near a fact. I even said that same Scout could come to Texas, California, Alabama, Georgia and oh my God I said Louisiana and that same College Scout would say the same damn thing about their kids. Just that Texas, California and Florida would have a lot more of them. But than again, I could make a freaking list of Texas who's who football players from the last 15 years of Texas kids that have played for National Championship teams from Miami, FSU and even Florida. Heck, even LSU !!

I said DE-Jarvis Moss must of been able to hit and have speed because he started for two years at Florida and help take them to a National Title and become a NFL 1st rd draft pick. But, there was 3 other Texas kids that also received playing time for the National champs (Florida) this year: TE-Tate Casey (Longview), RB- K. Moore (Mansfield Summit) and DT-Brandon Antwine (Garland). I'm sure those 4 Texas kids could of been big helpers on almost any Texas College team.

Let me tell you what State didnt have any players on Florida's National Title team .... You guessed it (Louisiana).;)


froggie's up....

"I think your biggest problem is you have the little boy next door "inferiority complex" when it comes to HS football. It's "OK." "...

Nah, I don't have that problem at all....We do good with what we have, always have....AND, when I feel like beating my chest I just visit the Vermont High School Football Forum and pound away-they love me over there! :cool:

[Texasfrog]

froggie's up....

"I think your biggest problem is you have the little boy next door "inferiority complex" when it comes to HS football. It's "OK." "...

Nah, I don't have that problem at all....We do good with what we have, always have....AND, when I feel like beating my chest I just visit the Vermont High School Football Forum and pound away-they love me over there! :cool:

Louisiana could be the Big Boy on the block in about 40 States across America. Just not Texas. But we still like ya and we wont let any harm come your way. We've got your back if the Wolf comes creeping around.;)

[football101]

I will give my two cents as far as states considered as "power football" states. Just as it is at any level of football sometimes the best teams in the country come from different places. I dont think that every year the best "team" comes from one state or another. I think it varies. Concord DLS had their run in the 90's and early 00's but I am sure one of those years a team from another state could have beaten them. Nonetheless it happened eventually and someone beat the Spartans and ended their streak. Now while they are still considered an upper-echelon program nobody is as easily willing to say they are the best every year "no matter what". This holds true in the Texas vs Louisiana talk. I know SLC beat the daylights out of Evangel last year but I remember back when West Monroe (La) handed that same kind of whoppin on Midland Lee the same year Lee won state. While I will agree that Texas has more programs with state of the art facilities that you can call "upper tier" programs than probably any place in the country collectively, that doesnt neccesarily mean their best is the best on any given year. Just because WM beat Midland Lee doesnt mean Louisiana football is better or worse than Texas football or vice versa. I think the best can play with the best no matter what when or where. If you are good then you are good. I can take an all star roster of the best football players from Rhode Island and go play a team in Georgia and beat the pants off of them. Does it prove that better football is played in Rhode Island? Hey our facilities are better than what any team in Georgia has does that still make our state a better football state than Ga? Just using that as an example. As far as Jarvis Moss goes, Jarvis Moss was part of a collection of players at the University of Florida from vast areas from around the country. While the UF team was majority Floridian you cannot downplay Moss's value to the team. Anybody and everybody knows he was a major contributor on that team. That doesnt mean Florida football is better or Texas football is worse. It just means that in 2006 Florida had the best collection of athletes coupled with great coaching and everything else you need to win a championship. I personally think UF would have won it without Moss. They lost Marcus Thomas for the season and still won and I think Thomas was just as important as Moss. However I am sure Gator fans are happy that he came there. I just think this state vs state arguement is a little lame because there really isnt no way to prove that anyone is right for sure. Its a debate that will go on forever.

[drgnbkr]

I will give my two cents as far as states considered as "power football" states. Just as it is at any level of football sometimes the best teams in the country come from different places. I dont think that every year the best "team" comes from one state or another. I think it varies. Concord DLS had their run in the 90's and early 00's but I am sure one of those years a team from another state could have beaten them. Nonetheless it happened eventually and someone beat the Spartans and ended their streak. Now while they are still considered an upper-echelon program nobody is as easily willing to say they are the best every year "no matter what". This holds true in the Texas vs Louisiana talk. I know SLC beat the daylights out of Evangel last year but I remember back when West Monroe (La) handed that same kind of whoppin on Midland Lee the same year Lee won state. While I will agree that Texas has more programs with state of the art facilities that you can call "upper tier" programs than probably any place in the country collectively, that doesnt neccesarily mean their best is the best on any given year. Just because WM beat Midland Lee doesnt mean Louisiana football is better or worse than Texas football or vice versa. I think the best can play with the best no matter what when or where. If you are good then you are good. I can take an all star roster of the best football players from Rhode Island and go play a team in Georgia and beat the pants off of them. Does it prove that better football is played in Rhode Island? Hey our facilities are better than what any team in Georgia has does that still make our state a better football state than Ga? Just using that as an example. As far as Jarvis Moss goes, Jarvis Moss was part of a collection of players at the University of Florida from vast areas from around the country. While the UF team was majority Floridian you cannot downplay Moss's value to the team. Anybody and everybody knows he was a major contributor on that team. That doesnt mean Florida football is better or Texas football is worse. It just means that in 2006 Florida had the best collection of athletes coupled with great coaching and everything else you need to win a championship. I personally think UF would have won it without Moss. They lost Marcus Thomas for the season and still won and I think Thomas was just as important as Moss. However I am sure Gator fans are happy that he came there. I just think this state vs state arguement is a little lame because there really isnt no way to prove that anyone is right for sure. Its a debate that will go on forever.

Nice post 101..we see the balance when our teams get to the quarterfinals and semis in the playoffs..when you get to that point, everyone is pretty equal..the same holds true nationally..a good team is a good team, regardless of the geographic location. I do believe, like a lot of others on this board, that Texas has more depth of quality than other states, for a variety of reasons; the "Friday Night in Texas" phenomonon, the sheer number of teams, and to some degree the level of training from an early age in a lot of the schools. Texas kids are coached to execute a particular system from an earlier age than any other area I've heard of.

[Texasfrog]

I will give my two cents as far as states considered as "power football" states. Just as it is at any level of football sometimes the best teams in the country come from different places. I dont think that every year the best "team" comes from one state or another. I think it varies. Concord DLS had their run in the 90's and early 00's but I am sure one of those years a team from another state could have beaten them. Nonetheless it happened eventually and someone beat the Spartans and ended their streak. Now while they are still considered an upper-echelon program nobody is as easily willing to say they are the best every year "no matter what". This holds true in the Texas vs Louisiana talk. I know SLC beat the daylights out of Evangel last year but I remember back when West Monroe (La) handed that same kind of whoppin on Midland Lee the same year Lee won state. While I will agree that Texas has more programs with state of the art facilities that you can call "upper tier" programs than probably any place in the country collectively, that doesnt neccesarily mean their best is the best on any given year. Just because WM beat Midland Lee doesnt mean Louisiana football is better or worse than Texas football or vice versa. I think the best can play with the best no matter what when or where. If you are good then you are good. I can take an all star roster of the best football players from Rhode Island and go play a team in Georgia and beat the pants off of them. Does it prove that better football is played in Rhode Island? Hey our facilities are better than what any team in Georgia has does that still make our state a better football state than Ga? Just using that as an example. As far as Jarvis Moss goes, Jarvis Moss was part of a collection of players at the University of Florida from vast areas from around the country. While the UF team was majority Floridian you cannot downplay Moss's value to the team. Anybody and everybody knows he was a major contributor on that team. That doesnt mean Florida football is better or Texas football is worse. It just means that in 2006 Florida had the best collection of athletes coupled with great coaching and everything else you need to win a championship. I personally think UF would have won it without Moss. They lost Marcus Thomas for the season and still won and I think Thomas was just as important as Moss. However I am sure Gator fans are happy that he came there. I just think this state vs state arguement is a little lame because there really isnt no way to prove that anyone is right for sure. Its a debate that will go on forever.


Your Preachin to the choir about that. I've basically been saying that samething for years now.

I've heard people try to make statements over who has the best football from judging mid-summer All-Star games.. "That's stupid."

I've heard people try to make statements over who has the best HS football from how many D-1A athletes they produce.. "That's stupid."

I've heard people try to make statements over who has the best HS football from how many NFL players come from their State or region from their State..
"That's stupid."

I've heard another 100 reasons for this and that and most of them are flat "STUPID."

West Monroe beat Midland Lee in 2000.. Yippy-do-dah. That same Midland Lee team lost to a (3-7) Odessa HIgh team two weeks later like 27-17. That was a young Midland Lee team that traveled to West Monroe. (Again, WM backed out of the return trip in 2001). The Midland Lee team that played in WM in mid-September was almost a totally different team that was playing in mid-December that year.

But, all that doesnt matter.. Texas teams that werent even Texas State Champs have beaten Louisiana State Champs like Evangel, WM and others over the years and vise versa. Again, I've never said that Texas would dominate Louisiana. I've simply stated that from what I've seen over the year "In person and on DVD" is that once you get past the Top #15 or so Louisiana teams match up with about the Top #50 in Texas.

Next.. I've also stated many times over the years. We could take the freaking Top probably 20 kids (All-Star team) from Rhoda Island and have them play against the top 20 from Texas or California or Florida or whatever and they would probably give them a scrappy game. There is talented players all over the country. Some States just have alot more than others.

I've also stated many times over the years that there are elite teams in other States that can play with and give almost anyone in Texas a top notch game. Just from what I've seen over the years and strictly my opinion but I think I'm pretty objective. Is that Texas has the best "DEPTH of quality teams and overall caliber of play as a HS Team and the overall HS coaching quality of the programs in Texas is pretty darn good when I compare it to many other States."

There is only one way to really prove what State has the best HS football and that would be to match up like the Top 100 teams from each State (#1 vs #1, #2 vs #2 , #3 vs #3 on down to #100 vs #100) and put them on "Neutral Fields" and see what State has the best overall record at the end of the day.

[cajun]

I will give my two cents as far as states considered as "power football" states. Just as it is at any level of football sometimes the best teams in the country come from different places. I dont think that every year the best "team" comes from one state or another. I think it varies. Concord DLS had their run in the 90's and early 00's but I am sure one of those years a team from another state could have beaten them. Nonetheless it happened eventually and someone beat the Spartans and ended their streak. Now while they are still considered an upper-echelon program nobody is as easily willing to say they are the best every year "no matter what". This holds true in the Texas vs Louisiana talk. I know SLC beat the daylights out of Evangel last year but I remember back when West Monroe (La) handed that same kind of whoppin on Midland Lee the same year Lee won state. While I will agree that Texas has more programs with state of the art facilities that you can call "upper tier" programs than probably any place in the country collectively, that doesnt neccesarily mean their best is the best on any given year. Just because WM beat Midland Lee doesnt mean Louisiana football is better or worse than Texas football or vice versa. I think the best can play with the best no matter what when or where. If you are good then you are good. I can take an all star roster of the best football players from Rhode Island and go play a team in Georgia and beat the pants off of them. Does it prove that better football is played in Rhode Island? Hey our facilities are better than what any team in Georgia has does that still make our state a better football state than Ga? Just using that as an example. As far as Jarvis Moss goes, Jarvis Moss was part of a collection of players at the University of Florida from vast areas from around the country. While the UF team was majority Floridian you cannot downplay Moss's value to the team. Anybody and everybody knows he was a major contributor on that team. That doesnt mean Florida football is better or Texas football is worse. It just means that in 2006 Florida had the best collection of athletes coupled with great coaching and everything else you need to win a championship. I personally think UF would have won it without Moss. They lost Marcus Thomas for the season and still won and I think Thomas was just as important as Moss. However I am sure Gator fans are happy that he came there. I just think this state vs state arguement is a little lame because there really isnt no way to prove that anyone is right for sure. Its a debate that will go on forever.

Texasfrog said>West Monroe beat Midland Lee in 2000.. Yippy-do-dah. That same Midland Lee team lost to a (3-7) Odessa HIgh team two weeks later like 27-17. That was a young Midland Lee team that traveled to West Monroe. (Again, WM backed out of the return trip in 2001). The Midland Lee team that played in WM in mid-September was almost a totally different team that was playing in mid-December that year."

Don't you love how he gives West Monroe the respect they deserve for that year?(he's objective lol)...He plays it off because Lee lost to a 3-7 Odessa team...He leaves out that West Monroe crushed Lee 38-6(Yippy-do-dah would be correct) and Midland Lee was the 5A state champ in Texas that year...AND, Lee was ranked at the end of the year 7th ot 8th by the USA today.....If they had played later the score would have been different you understand....He just dismisses the fact that West Monroe might even be stronger themselves-no, not this guy...:D

I guess it takes alot of "guts" just to say West Monroe had a heck of a team in 2000 and they just spanked us....Some people got guts and others don't I guess....

The youngster can't give anyone any credit outside of Texas(trust me)...If Northwestern happens to win against SLC this froggie will have some more excuses-I see it already...

Anyways, I agree with you...Every year is different in every state....Alot of good ball played everywhere....

[dragons08]

Let me guess...A Chicago Cubs fan ...:D

We got any "real" Texans here that like the Astros and Rangers and speak American..

noob is so american bra.

im from illinois....thus why i dont like the stros.

and the rangers just well.....suck.

[BDB]

noob is so american bra.

im from illinois....thus why i dont like the stros.

and the rangers just well.....suck.

i thought you seemed foriegn :p

[Texasfrog]

Texasfrog said>West Monroe beat Midland Lee in 2000.. Yippy-do-dah. That same Midland Lee team lost to a (3-7) Odessa HIgh team two weeks later like 27-17. That was a young Midland Lee team that traveled to West Monroe. (Again, WM backed out of the return trip in 2001). The Midland Lee team that played in WM in mid-September was almost a totally different team that was playing in mid-December that year."

Don't you love how he gives West Monroe the respect they deserve for that year?(he's objective lol)...He plays it off because Lee lost to a 3-7 Odessa team...He leaves out that West Monroe crushed Lee 38-6(Yippy-do-dah would be correct) and Midland Lee was the 5A state champ in Texas that year...AND, Lee was ranked at the end of the year 7th ot 8th by the USA today.....If they had played later the score would have been different you understand....He just dismisses the fact that West Monroe might even be stronger themselves-no, not this guy...:D

I guess it takes alot of "guts" just to say West Monroe had a heck of a team in 2000 and they just spanked us....Some people got guts and others don't I guess....

The youngster can't give anyone any credit outside of Texas(trust me)...If Northwestern happens to win against SLC this froggie will have some more excuses-I see it already...

Anyways, I agree with you...Every year is different in every state....Alot of good ball played everywhere....


I say that Idiot because I saw Midland Lee play four times that year "IN PERSON." I saw them against Victoria (in game that went into the 4th QT), I saw them against West Monroe (they traveled 15 hours in buses to West Monroe), I saws them against Duncanville (Texas Stadium) and I saw them against Austin Westlake (Texas Memorial Stadium).

They were a young team learning how to jell with many Juniors and a horse of RB (Cedric Benson) and it took them almost half the year to get it all together. In fact I would say they just started to really Jell when the playoff's started in 2000.

The proof in the pudding "IDIOT" that they were still young and jelling is they lost to Odessa High 27-17 two weeks later. Odessa High went either (3-7) or (4-6) that year.

So, from seeing Midland Lee in 2000's. They progressed as a team and got much better by November then what they were in September. There were guys starting in November on the Midland Lee team that were 2nd string in September.

West Monroe in 2000's had like 16 starters returning from a 1999 State runner-up team. Midland Lee had like 6 starters returning. Midland Lee drove on buses for almost 15 hours to play in West Monroe's back yard.

What did West Monroe do... They chicken-out like abunch of "COWARDS" and refused to return to Midland, Tx for the 2001 rematch. "NUFF SAID."

But... like I've already stated several times to "Cajun CHILD" that it really doesnt matter. Louisiana has there token 5 or 6 teams each year that can play with the top #15 of Texas. They (Louisiana) just dont have much after that.;)

Clearly Cajun child has a "MEMORY BLOCK" when it comes to all those Louisiana "Butt kickings" that Texas teams have put on them.:rolleyes:

Just like he has "selective reading" he has a "selective memory" to go with it.:eek:

[Texasfrog]

Cajun-Child, here is an example from your own State on how a team can grow and get stronger throughout the coarse of a year and that an early season victory doesnt mean victory in a late season game. But, I also know this is Louisiana so a team can actually get better during the season and in Texas teams dont get better. I mean there is No-way that 2000 Midland Lee team could of gotten better..:rolleyes: "LOL."


Evangel 34, -West Monroe 27 "Wow, ECA beat WM 34-27." State Title on Dec. 8th
(Dec 8, 2001 at New Orleans)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 6 7 7 14 - 34
-West Monroe........ 0 20 7 0 - 27

Evangel 41, -Archbishop Rummel 10
(Nov 30, 2001 at Metairie)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 0 7 14 20 - 41
-Archbishop Rummel.. 0 10 0 0 - 10

Evangel 33, -Archbishop Shaw 31
(Nov 23, 2001 at Evangel)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
-Archbishop Shaw.... 10 0 7 14 - 31
Evangel............. 6 14 7 6 - 33

Evangel 54, -Holy Cross 0
(Nov 16, 2001 at New Orleans)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 20 13 14 7 - 54
-Holy Cross......... 0 0 0 0 - 0

Evangel 43, -Sulphur 16
(Nov 09, 2001 at Evangel)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
-Sulphur............ 0 3 0 13 - 16
Evangel............. 8 7 14 14 - 43

Evangel 61, Sarah Reed 14
(Nov 02, 2001 at Evangel)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Sarah Reed.......... 6 0 0 8 - 14
Evangel............. 14 21 7 19 - 61

Evangel 33, *Ruston 14
(Oct 26, 2001 at Evangel)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
*Ruston............. 7 0 7 0 - 14
Evangel............. 6 12 0 15 - 33

Evangel 52, *Huntington 0
(Oct 18, 2001 at Shreveport)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 12 19 14 7 - 52
*Huntington......... 0 0 0 0 - 0

Evangel 59, *Southwood 0
(Oct 12, 2001 at Evangel)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
*Southwood.......... 0 0 0 0 - 0
Evangel............. 21 28 3 7 - 59

Evangel 44, *Natchitoches Cent 15
(Oct 05, 2001 at Natchitoches, LA)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 13 28 3 0 - 44
*Natchitoches Cent.. 3 0 6 6 - 15

West Monroe 37, Evangel 13 "Wow, WM put a nice butt-kicking on ECA (37-13) on Sept. 28th"

(Sep 28, 2001 at Shreveport)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
West Monroe......... 21 0 6 10 - 37
Evangel............. 0 6 0 7 - 13

Evangel 49, Byrd 21
(Sep 20, 2001 at Shreveport)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 20 15 14 0 - 49
Byrd................ 0 7 7 7 - 21

Evangel 33, Lufkin, TX 17
(Sep 14, 2001 at Lufkin, TX)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 13 6 0 14 - 33
Lufkin, TX.......... 0 3 14 0 - 17

Evangel 40, Ouachita 0
(Sep 07, 2001 at Monroe)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 20 20 0 0 - 40
Ouachita............ 0 0 0 0 - 0

Evangel 27, Longview, TX 7
(Aug 31, 2001 at Evangel)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Longview, TX........ 0 0 0 7 - 7
Evangel............. 7 7 13 0 - 27

[cajun]

I say that Idiot because I saw Midland Lee play four times that year "IN PERSON." I saw them against Victoria (in game that went into the 4th QT), I saw them against West Monroe (they traveled 15 hours in buses to West Monroe), I saws them against Duncanville (Texas Stadium) and I saw them against Austin Westlake (Texas Memorial Stadium).

They were a young team learning how to jell with many Juniors and a horse of RB (Cedric Benson) and it took them almost half the year to get it all together. In fact I would say they just started to really Jell when the playoff's started in 2000.

The proof in the pudding "IDIOT" that they were still young and jelling is they lost to Odessa High 27-17 two weeks later. Odessa High went either (3-7) or (4-6) that year.

So, from seeing Midland Lee in 2000's. They progressed as a team and got much better by November then what they were in September. There were guys starting in November on the Midland Lee team that were 2nd string in September.

West Monroe in 2000's had like 16 starters returning from a 1999 State runner-up team. Midland Lee had like 6 starters returning. Midland Lee drove on buses for almost 15 hours to play in West Monroe's back yard.

What did West Monroe do... They chicken-out like abunch of "COWARDS" and refused to return to Midland, Tx for the 2001 rematch. "NUFF SAID."

But... like I've already stated several times to "Cajun CHILD" that it really doesnt matter. Louisiana has there token 5 or 6 teams each year that can play with the top #15 of Texas. They (Louisiana) just dont have much after that.;)

Clearly Cajun child has a "MEMORY BLOCK" when it comes to all those Louisiana "Butt kickings" that Texas teams have put on them.:rolleyes:

Just like he has "selective reading" he has a "selective memory" to go with it.:eek:


Don't blow a gasket, brother...Texas rules!...That's "once"...Now all you gotta do is hear it 9 more times and you can go back to bed...:D

I'm convinced though if the Midland Lee jet wasn't being serviced that week and it was 4 or 5 five games into the season Midland Lee would have whooped up on West Monroe that year....I mean the entire high school football community realizes this.. (lol)

Lets see...A question though...

Lee's first two games of the year they win by a total margin of 80-19..Beat Victoria Memorial 40-12 first game of the season, beat Longview 40-7 the second game of the season.....Meet up with West Monroe the 3rd game of the season and got that Butt Waxed 38-6....Next two games they put up 44 and 56 and allow only 14 points....Then the hiccup against Odessa High, then it's back to shutting out people and putting 61, 45, 50 , 38 and so on points on the board..Question..

When did the growing process start? :cool:

Just face the facts, Froggie....NO ONE in Texas could have played with West Monroe in 2000.....That's not an insult....West Monore was just extremely good that year-that's all.....Be a man, give West monroe some credit....I know that goes against your "programming" though BUT, it builds character!

[cajun]

Cajun-Child, here is an example from your own State on how a team can grow and get stronger throughout the coarse of a year and that an early season victory doesnt mean victory in a late season game. But, I also know this is Louisiana so a team can actually get better during the season and in Texas teams dont get better. I mean there is No-way that 2000 Midland Lee team could of gotten better..:rolleyes: "LOL."


Evangel 34, -West Monroe 27 "Wow, ECA beat WM 34-27." State Title on Dec. 8th
(Dec 8, 2001 at New Orleans)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 6 7 7 14 - 34
-West Monroe........ 0 20 7 0 - 27

Evangel 41, -Archbishop Rummel 10
(Nov 30, 2001 at Metairie)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 0 7 14 20 - 41
-Archbishop Rummel.. 0 10 0 0 - 10

Evangel 33, -Archbishop Shaw 31
(Nov 23, 2001 at Evangel)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
-Archbishop Shaw.... 10 0 7 14 - 31
Evangel............. 6 14 7 6 - 33

Evangel 54, -Holy Cross 0
(Nov 16, 2001 at New Orleans)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 20 13 14 7 - 54
-Holy Cross......... 0 0 0 0 - 0

Evangel 43, -Sulphur 16
(Nov 09, 2001 at Evangel)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
-Sulphur............ 0 3 0 13 - 16
Evangel............. 8 7 14 14 - 43

Evangel 61, Sarah Reed 14
(Nov 02, 2001 at Evangel)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Sarah Reed.......... 6 0 0 8 - 14
Evangel............. 14 21 7 19 - 61

Evangel 33, *Ruston 14
(Oct 26, 2001 at Evangel)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
*Ruston............. 7 0 7 0 - 14
Evangel............. 6 12 0 15 - 33

Evangel 52, *Huntington 0
(Oct 18, 2001 at Shreveport)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 12 19 14 7 - 52
*Huntington......... 0 0 0 0 - 0

Evangel 59, *Southwood 0
(Oct 12, 2001 at Evangel)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
*Southwood.......... 0 0 0 0 - 0
Evangel............. 21 28 3 7 - 59

Evangel 44, *Natchitoches Cent 15
(Oct 05, 2001 at Natchitoches, LA)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 13 28 3 0 - 44
*Natchitoches Cent.. 3 0 6 6 - 15

West Monroe 37, Evangel 13 "Wow, WM put a nice butt-kicking on ECA (37-13) on Sept. 28th"

(Sep 28, 2001 at Shreveport)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
West Monroe......... 21 0 6 10 - 37
Evangel............. 0 6 0 7 - 13

Evangel 49, Byrd 21
(Sep 20, 2001 at Shreveport)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 20 15 14 0 - 49
Byrd................ 0 7 7 7 - 21

Evangel 33, Lufkin, TX 17
(Sep 14, 2001 at Lufkin, TX)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 13 6 0 14 - 33
Lufkin, TX.......... 0 3 14 0 - 17

Evangel 40, Ouachita 0
(Sep 07, 2001 at Monroe)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 20 20 0 0 - 40
Ouachita............ 0 0 0 0 - 0

Evangel 27, Longview, TX 7
(Aug 31, 2001 at Evangel)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Longview, TX........ 0 0 0 7 - 7
Evangel............. 7 7 13 0 - 27

I see what you mean, farmerfan....:eek:

[BDB]

Just face the facts, Froggie....NO ONE in Texas could have played with West Monroe in 2000.....That's not an insult....West Monore was just extremely good that year-that's all.....Be a man, give West monroe some credit....I know that goes against your "programming" though BUT, it builds character!


lets see....believe the statistical madman in frog(who attened lee games, including WM) or some LOU fan who,up to this point, has only come here to
preach the gospel that is louisiana foobah??

how many returning players did WM have? and lee? (seriously asking) cuz if it come out lee, you pretty much have this arguement lost.

and even though they werent "struggling" against all thier opponents, it doesnt mean those were quality wins by anymeans.

and what were the other teams records they faced in the early season anyway? (again, asking)

but nevermind, it doesnt matter cuz LOU is jus too darn scrappy with all thier NFL stars and half the size of TX (even though we have deserts and swaps and brush country that is uninhabited by people and is prolly the size or bigger then LOU) and we should be greatful that a team like longview has the chance to play one of these demons from the east.

oh, also LOU has as much depth as texas :puke

[Texasfrog]

Let's see the Cajunnnnn.. How did ECA lose to WM by 24 pts in Sept. and then turn around and beat WM by 8 pts in December ? How did that happen there Cajunnn man ? How did ECA in the same year make a whopping 32 pt difference against the same team (West Monroe) and beat them ?

Next.. Midland Lee doesnt have a Airplane kid. They drove on buses almost all the way across Northern Tx and almost all the way across Northern Louisiana to Monroe to play West Monroe in their stadium. A nice 15 hour overnight bus drive almost across two States (Texas & Louisiana).

You saw what West Monroe decided to do when they were suppose to make the return trip to Midland, Tx for the next year right ? Can you say Cowarded and Lied their way out of it. No doubt Coach Show's had memories of the John Tyler "BUTT- kicking" that West Monroe got when they made the return trip to Tyler, Tx.

Those two teams matched up in December on a neutral field it would of been a totally different game. Not saying that Midland Lee would of won it. But, it would of been a dog-fight.

Next... The best team in Texas in 2000 was Katy High. They would of beaten Midland Lee in (September) just like West Monroe did and they would of probably beaten them in December (playoffs).

But again,,, tell on Football "mighty one." How did ECA lose to West Monroe by almost freaking 30 pts in Sept. but turn around and beat West Monroe by 8 pts in the State Title game ? I want to hear your expert version on how a team could make a turn around like that in 2 1/2 months....:confused:

Evangel 34, -West Monroe 27 "Wow, ECA beat WM 34-27." State Title on Dec. 8th
(Dec 8, 2001 at New Orleans)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
Evangel............. 6 7 7 14 - 34
-West Monroe........ 0 20 7 0 - 27


West Monroe 37, Evangel 13 "Wow, WM put a nice butt-kicking on ECA (37-13) on Sept. 28th"

(Sep 28, 2001 at Shreveport)
Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
West Monroe......... 21 0 6 10 - 37
Evangel............. 0 6 0 7 - 13

PS. You never showed me your so called Super Louisiana Top 50 that could match up with the Top 50 Texas teams I showed you. Except that there was really "Bad-a" Louisiana Public 2A and 3A that are really good. "LOL.":rolleyes:

Somehow I think I'll get the same tap-dancing on how ECA made this 30 pt turnaround on West Monroe in the same year.;)

[Texasfrog]

lets see....believe the statistical madman in frog(who attened lee games, including WM) or some LOU fan who,up to this point, has only come here to
preach the gospel that is louisiana foobah??

how many returning players did WM have? and lee? (seriously asking) cuz if it come out lee, you pretty much have this arguement lost.

and even though they werent "struggling" against all thier opponents, it doesnt mean those were quality wins by anymeans.

and what were the other teams records they faced in the early season anyway? (again, asking)

but nevermind, it doesnt matter cuz LOU is jus too darn scrappy with all thier NFL stars and half the size of TX (even though we have deserts and swaps and brush country that is uninhabited by people and is prolly the size or bigger then LOU) and we should be greatful that a team like longview has the chance to play one of these demons from the east.

oh, also LOU has as much depth as texas :puke

Watch out ElPrezz,, Lousieeannnaa has some really powerful public school 2A's and 3A's that can beat Texas 5A's like Plano, Plano East, Plano West and about 40 other Texas 5A's.

I'm still waiting for an answer on how Marshall,Tx (4A) that didnt even make the Texas 4A playoffs this year beat the living snot out of Byrd. A Louisiana (5A) playoff team that was ranked in many Louisiana 5A polls.

That non-playoff Marshall (4A) team beat Byrd like 47-3.. Can you say "OUCH!!" But again, Marshall (Tx 4A) was just lucky they didnt meet up with those really tough scrappy Louisiana 2A's and 3A's.:rolleyes:

[cajun]

lets see....believe the statistical madman in frog(who attened lee games, including WM) or some LOU fan who,up to this point, has only come here to
preach the gospel that is louisiana foobah??

how many returning players did WM have? and lee? (seriously asking) cuz if it come out lee, you pretty much have this arguement lost.

and even though they werent "struggling" against all thier opponents, it doesnt mean those were quality wins by anymeans.

and what were the other teams records they faced in the early season anyway? (again, asking)

but nevermind, it doesnt matter cuz LOU is jus too darn scrappy with all thier NFL stars and half the size of TX (even though we have deserts and swaps and brush country that is uninhabited by people and is prolly the size or bigger then LOU) and we should be greatful that a team like longview has the chance to play one of these demons from the east.

oh, also LOU has as much depth as texas :puke

Well, you can believe what you wanna believe....Doesn't matter to me....

You know better than I do what is a quality win in Texas..I have no clue....

All I know is "Midland Lee" was just another game on the West Monroe schedule that year....You boys can cry to momma all day long about a bus ride and returning players(it's not like Lee didn't have Cedric Benson or anything) and whatever else you wanna moan about...Doesn't change anything....They got that butt waxed...:D


You know when Longview thumped West Monore 21-0 a couple years ago, you know what I said?.....West Monroe got their butt waxed...I didn't go crying to momma.....West Monroe got Longview last year 19-15....So, that's football......Evangel got their butt waxed by SLC last year(plain and simple)....Evangel has also kicked some Texas butt and just may again in the future-wouldn't be surprised......AND, if Longview spanks John Curtis this year I'll be the first one to say "Great job, Longview"....That's the difference between class and your froggie.....


Let your "growing" Lee team tackle West Monroe's schedule for 2000....

08-26-00 WM 29 Ruston 00 (H) Jamboree
09-02-00 WM 25 John Curtis 07 (A) (LA 4-A State Champs)
09-09-00 WM 38 De La Salle 07 (H)
09-15-00 WM 42 Baker, B.R. 22 (H)
09-22-00 WM 36 Midland Lee, TX 08 (H)) (TX 5-A State Champs)
09-29-00 WM 35 Clarksdale, MS 07 (H)) (MS 4-A State Champs)
10-06-00 WM 37 LaGrange 12 (H)
10-13-00 WM 28 Moss Point, MS 23 (A) (MS 5-A State Champs)
10-20-00 WM 35 Neville 00 (H)
10-27-00 WM 35 Ouachita 00 (A) ULM Stadium
11-03-00 WM 29 Ruston 09 (A)

Playoffs:

11-10-00 WM 64 Warren Easton 00 (H) Bi-District
11-17-00 WM 43 Ouachita 7 (A) Regional
11-24-00 WM 28 Barbe 00 (H) Quarterfinal
12-02-00 WM 17 St. Augustine 00 (A) Semi-final

Final

West Monroe 35
Shaw(Nawlins') 7

[BC2001Eagles]

Man, I go out of town for a couple of weeks and it's going down over here,lol. Anyhow, Lakeland is a solid Florida program for the clips I've seen of them, JT was the real deal v Hoover ( Whom I'm glad they shut up. )

Oh, welcome to all the out of state posters, I too like to hear comments from people currently living in those places who can give us an insiders look.

[Texasfrog]

Well, you can believe what you wanna believe....Doesn't matter to me....

You know better than I do what is a quality win in Texas..I have no clue....

All I know is "Midland Lee" was just another game on the West Monroe schedule that year....You boys can cry to momma all day long about a bus ride and returning players(it's not like Lee didn't have Cedric Benson or anything) and whatever else you wanna moan about...Doesn't change anything....They got that butt waxed...:D


You know when Longview thumped West Monore 21-0 a couple years ago, you know what I said?.....West Monroe got their butt waxed...I didn't go crying to momma.....West Monroe got Longview last year 19-15....So, that's football......Evangel got their butt waxed by SLC last year(plain and simple)....Evangel has also kicked some Texas butt and just may again in the future-wouldn't be surprised......AND, if Longview spanks John Curtis this year I'll be the first one to say "Great job, Longview"....That's the difference between class and your froggie.....


Let your "growing" Lee team tackle West Monroe's schedule for 2000....

08-26-00 WM 29 Ruston 00 (H) Jamboree
09-02-00 WM 25 John Curtis 07 (A) (LA 4-A State Champs)
09-09-00 WM 38 De La Salle 07 (H)
09-15-00 WM 42 Baker, B.R. 22 (H)
09-22-00 WM 36 Midland Lee, TX 08 (H)) (TX 5-A State Champs)
09-29-00 WM 35 Clarksdale, MS 07 (H)) (MS 4-A State Champs)
10-06-00 WM 37 LaGrange 12 (H)
10-13-00 WM 28 Moss Point, MS 23 (A) (MS 5-A State Champs)
10-20-00 WM 35 Neville 00 (H)
10-27-00 WM 35 Ouachita 00 (A) ULM Stadium
11-03-00 WM 29 Ruston 09 (A)

Playoffs:

11-10-00 WM 64 Warren Easton 00 (H) Bi-District
11-17-00 WM 43 Ouachita 7 (A) Regional
11-24-00 WM 28 Barbe 00 (H) Quarterfinal
12-02-00 WM 17 St. Augustine 00 (A) Semi-final

Final

West Monroe 35
Shaw(Nawlins') 7

Again,, you dont get it as usual.. It's totally obvious that even giving you the example from your own freaking State of ECA vs WM (2001) and how ECA lost to WM by almost 30 pts in like week 4 (September) and turned it around by December and beat WM by 8.

How did that ECA team lose to WM by 30 pts in September but turned around and beat them by 8 pts in December ?? How ole great football mind ? Let me guess your answer..... because it was a Louisiana team "LOL."

Next, I didnt say that WM didnt beat Midland Lee.. "I WAS THERE IN THE STANDS." I saw the game up close and personal.;)

I'm just letting you know that Midland Lee at the start of the 2000 season was a very young team that was replacing about 15 starters from the 1999 team. They were riding their "horse" Cedric Benson the first 8 or so games until they could grow the team around him and few others. They (Midland Lee) took a very young "but promising team" to West Monroe.

West Monroe was a very Senior led team with like 15 starters returning from a freaking 5A State Runner-up team. West Monroe wasnt a chump team and nobody is saying that.

My point is that team (Midland LEE) grew up as the season progressed and the young talent started to grow as a team. Like I said, I saw them play 4 times that year (2000) and the Midland Lee team that was playing in September was a shell of the Midland Lee team that was playing in December (Playoffs).

Put, the 2000 West Monroe vs Midland Lee teams on neutral field in December and it would of been a dogfight that went into the 4th Qt.

Also, if you think taking a team of (16,17 & 18) year olds on a 1 1/2 day bus trip across two States is very easy. Then please go ask Coach Shows at West Monroe why he cowarded out of the agreed on "Home & Home" that was suppose to happen..?? Something tells me that he "KNEW BETTER.";)

PS. I could give a flying "FART" about West Monroe's 2000 schedule. Is Katy on that schedule, is John Tyler on that schedule or about 8 other Texas teams from 2000 ?? Hell, was (3-7) Odessa High on that schedule that beat Midland Lee 27-17 ?

So I'll try this once again for you the Enlightened One.

How did the 2001 Evangel team lose to West Monroe by almost 30 pts in September but turn around and beat West Monroe by 8 pts in the State Title game in December ?

Next.. I'm still waiting for your super power list of all those so called Louisiana public school 3A's and 4A's that can give many of the Top Texas 5A's a game and beat them ?

Remember,, Marshall,Tx (4A) that didnt even make the (4A) playoffs smoked the doors off of Byrd (La 5A playoff team) like 47-3.

Chers !!:cool:

[Texasfrog]

Let me put it to you like this Ole Cajun Man...

In September 2000. If you would of taken that youthful Midland Lee team and drove them down to Katy, Tx. The score in September would of probably been very similiar to the West Monroe vs Midland Lee score.

I have almost no doubt that the score in September would of been something like Katy- 31 , Midland Lee- 14 or something similiar to that.

If you would put that 2000 Katy team vs Midland Lee on a neutral field in December (playoffs). It would of been a dogfight "toss-up" type of game that would of probably been something like 28-21 type of score with either team winning.

[cajun]

Let me put it to you like this Ole Cajun Man...

In September 2000. If you would of taken that youthful Midland Lee team and drove them down to Katy, Tx. The score in September would of probably been very similiar to the West Monroe vs Midland Lee score.

I have almost no doubt that the score in September would of been something like Katy- 31 , Midland Lee- 14 or something similiar to that.

If you would put that 2000 Katy team vs Midland Lee on a neutral field in December (playoffs). It would of been a dogfight "toss-up" type of game that would of probably been something like 28-21 type of score with either team winning.

Yawn!

[BDB]

Yawn!

i know, its boars us too that froggie keeps getting you.