Miami Northwestern vs Glades Central Video

[supercentex]

I'm sure alot of people are wanting to see this... :)

Let me know if it works or doesn't work.

http://flavarsity.rivals.com/video.asp?section=fbrecruit&pkey=&vidtype=amp&vidid=2536

[jakerz]

Not too impressed...their O & D-Line looks very very lazy.
Speed is there for sure, but nothing that I haven't seen in Texas.

[supercentex]

There are a couple more videos below that on Marcus Fortson...you click that and it'll pull more highlights up on the defense.

[supercentex]

They kinda remind me of LaMarque.....

[Sakatha]

Team speed. Cocky, ridiculous players. Most likely undisciplined as hell.

Good.

~DnM

[pied]

Team speed. Cocky, ridiculous players. Most likely undisciplined as hell.

Good.

~DnM

I am curious to see an explanation to your statements. There were 3-4 TD's in the clip. One the WR jumped into the EZ. The rest were unremarkable from celebration point of view.

The only other thing I could possibly see as being cocky would be when the NW defender blows up the QB and his teammates engulf him.


Did those two things prompt you to make those comments? Just curious.

[Sakatha]

All very good points!

However, I base my statement on alot more than this single highlight. :)

~DnM

[ThEgReAtOnE]

They kinda remind me of LaMarque.....

That's exactly what I've been saying. This team looks like La Marque... and if you haven't seen La Marque.. here ya go... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxw8rbUprro

... remember La Marque is 4A, in Texas. (They had 7 sign to play college ball, and return several D1 prospects next year.) To be fair, (in the video)Galveston Ball was not (and has not been for a while) a good team, though their record may have hinted at it. I think Ball could've beaten (FL) Glades, though.

[RidgePride]

That's exactly what I've been saying. This team looks like La Marque... and if you haven't seen La Marque.. here ya go... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxw8rbUprro

... remember La Marque is 4A, in Texas. (They had 7 sign to play college ball, and return several D1 prospects next year.) To be fair, (in the video)Galveston Ball was not (and has not been for a while) a good team, though their record may have hinted at it. I think Ball could've beaten (FL) Glades, though.

LaMarque looks better than MNW by video. Florida ball continues to underwhelm me.

Can't wait until Sept 15th. I'll be there !

[jakerz]

They remind me of La Marque a little. The athletic pro-style QB, small but strong RB, lanky recievers, quick DB's. The only difference is up front, MNW has them by a lot.

[pied]

All very good points!

However, I base my statement on alot more than this single highlight. :)

~DnM

So I assume you would type the same thing if someone posted a video about them helping cats out of a tree, helping an old lady across the street etc.

[Sakatha]

So I assume you would type the same thing if someone posted a video about them helping cats out of a tree, helping an old lady across the street etc.

Dude, if you find a video of that then I'll post whatever you want...

It has to be a verified MNW player, however.

~DnM

[SLCFan]

It's a shame to see such a good D-1 talent dive into the EZ like it's a video game or something... He looks like a great player, but could really jeopardize his career that way.

[Sakatha]

It's a shame to see such a good D-1 talent dive into the EZ like it's a video game or something... He looks like a great player, but could really jeopardize his career that way.

Yet another reason for not acting like a clown. You're 100% correct. Players who do this don't give a rip about anything other than the spotlight.

Before anyone else says anything about it, YES I'd say that if it was Blake Cantu, Tre Newton or ANY OTHER DRAGON.

~DnM

[jakerz]

Yet another reason for not acting like a clown. You're 100% correct. Players who do this don't give a rip about anything other than the spotlight.

Before anyone else says anything about it, YES I'd say that if it was Blake Cantu, Tre Newton or ANY OTHER DRAGON.

~DnM

It's a good thing they wouldn't do that though.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

They remind me of La Marque a little. The athletic pro-style QB, small but strong RB, lanky recievers, quick DB's. The only difference is up front, MNW has them by a lot.

That La Marque O-line was pretty big, bro... better ask Waco... haha!:D They had, at least, 3 o-linemen that were around 6'4 and 275+ lbs.. from what I recall. (Saw them play 4 times, last year.) On D-line, their D-End was a good 6'4 250 lbs... La Marque always has size and athleticism... always!

I would also question the athleticism of MNW... look at the footage again... how many O-linemen do you see getting up field? Then look at La Marque... the very second play (long td run) there is like 3 O-linemen getting down field, with the freakin' rb... and these kids were BIG, bro!;)

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Marcus Fortson appears to be very good!

[Sakatha]

Both the DL and LB are quite impressive. I'll be interested in seeing how the QB handles the pressure of having to score to keep up. QB's who have typically awesome days against other teams tend to really struggle against SLC.

An exception? Foles.

The Rule? Andy Dalton, The **** brothers, Casey Russell, and a host of others.

~DnM

[CFeagleman]

is it just me, or did some of those players look like small children?


#19 on glades
#4 on mnw

there were some more, but i didnt catch the numbers

any others?

[DrEdward]

Let's keep in mind that this is a "spring game" and although this is not a typical intrasquad scrimmage, it is not a whole lot more than that. MNW has talent and speed and I am not at all that ready to simpy dismiss them. They sort of remind me of a combination of a South Grand team with some Lufkin skill payers for additional speed. MNW is not to taken casually and I am sure that the Carroll staff and players will not do so. I am sure that the south Florida boys will put on a "show" for we Texas fans come next September, but I do not expect a dirty game in any sense, even if the MNW sidelines may sound a bit different than what we are used to in Texas high school football.

[toddg]

That La Marque O-line was pretty big, bro... better ask Waco... haha!:D They had, at least, 3 o-linemen that were around 6'4 and 275+ lbs.. from what I recall. (Saw them play 4 times, last year.) On D-line, their D-End was a good 6'4 250 lbs... La Marque always has size and athleticism... always!

I would also question the athleticism of MNW... look at the footage again... how many O-linemen do you see getting up field? Then look at La Marque... the very second play (long td run) there is like 3 O-linemen getting down field, with the freakin' rb... and these kids were BIG, bro!;)

i think the aledo line avg'd that...but you are right, the la marque lines are big..and athletic.

[RidgePride]

Dude, if you find a video of that then I'll post whatever you want...

It has to be a verified MNW player, however.

~DnM

Pied can be very annoying if you haven't found out. All his arguments are geared towards maintaining objectivity in high school football debate.

He does it to the guys on the Ohio board too.

[RidgePride]

They remind me of La Marque a little. The athletic pro-style QB, small but strong RB, lanky recievers, quick DB's. The only difference is up front, MNW has them by a lot.

I think you have a problem with depth perception. The Lamarque video is shot from a further distance away.

[jakerz]

I think you have a problem with depth perception. The Lamarque video is shot from a further distance away.

I saw La Marque play last year in the championship game, and I was on the sideline.

The O-Line still didn't look that big too me.

[t-long20]

Team speed. Cocky, ridiculous players. Most likely undisciplined as hell.

Good.

~DnM

typical ignorant response, unless your a psychic(which your not) or you follow florida football its impossible to tell if there cocky,ridiculous players even with the dive into the endzone by the WR.everyone knows there not as discipline as slc so unless your scared of playing MNW you'll stop making these stupid remarks to make yourself feel good

im going for slc in this game but even i have respect for my opponent until after the game even if they dont deserve it

[supercentex]

LaMarque was not as big as MNW on both sides of the line. Not really even close......

[ThEgReAtOnE]

LaMarque was not as big as MNW on both sides of the line. Not really even close......

Definitely as athletic... if not more!

[RidgePride]

I saw La Marque play last year in the championship game, and I was on the sideline.

The O-Line still didn't look that big too me.

Pause the MNW video at 29-30-31 seconds all around there. You can see the O-line. They are no bigger than Lamarque.

The right side of the line is very average. #72 is the only big guy and he is not impressive to me.

Their defensive front 7 is impressive though.

[svhorns]

they look pretty darn good... good luck SLC... I'm def. rooting for ya'll but its gonna be a hell of a game...

[trainin' the game]

Team speed. Cocky, ridiculous players. Most likely undisciplined as hell.

Good.

~DnM

dang; you concluded all that from that video:confused: :eek: . we need you on our scout team ;) .

[ktCarl]

It's hard to judge a team from just a few field level hi-lites.

Ugly yellow unis.

[trainin' the game]

if a player gets hurt driving in the endzone he probably did not need to be out there in the first place. people talk about having fun and playing the game then when someone does you get comments like this.

let the kids be excited they made some great plays and should be happy for each other. the game becomes really boring if emotion is thrown out of it. i'll admit some things are over the top and go too far but not what i see on this video. you might be a hater because slc has those shackles and can't come up with different ways to celebrate, warm-up, etc.; that has to be it you guys do the same thing as 90% of all the teams in texas. if someone does something and goes out of the box alittle it is automatically wrong.

MNW has a swagger and it is good for those kids it gets them ready; just because it's more hip-hop and chad johnson instead of alabama and bear bryant does not make it wong; just different.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

nm.

[drgnbkr]

typical ignorant response, unless your a psychic(which your not) or you follow florida football its impossible to tell if there cocky,ridiculous players even with the dive into the endzone by the WR.everyone knows there not as discipline as slc so unless your scared of playing MNW you'll stop making these stupid remarks to make yourself feel good

im going for slc in this game but even i have respect for my opponent until after the game even if they dont deserve it

Hey tlong..it's not ignorant to think that showboating High School Kids are not as competitive as kids who wear t-shirts that say TEAM/me..there is a certain logic in that..don't ya think? Adrian Peterson of OU diving in the end zone, breaking his collarbone may have glorified himself..but it definately hurt the team..right?

[Sakatha]

dang; you concluded all that from that video:confused: :eek: . we need you on our scout team ;) .

The rest of the thread pls...

I said elsewhere that my opinions aren't based on this video alone.

~DnM

[Sakatha]

typical ignorant response, unless your a psychic(which your not) or you follow florida football its impossible to tell if there cocky,ridiculous players even with the dive into the endzone by the WR.everyone knows there not as discipline as slc so unless your scared of playing MNW you'll stop making these stupid remarks to make yourself feel good

im going for slc in this game but even i have respect for my opponent until after the game even if they dont deserve it


You've no idea of my background. For all you know I could have relatives in Florida(do, actually), and could've had quite A LOT of experience with this squad..

~DnM

[Human Machine]

if a player gets hurt driving in the endzone he probably did not need to be out there in the first place. people talk about having fun and playing the game then when someone does you get comments like this.

let the kids be excited they made some great plays and should be happy for each other. the game becomes really boring if emotion is thrown out of it. i'll admit some things are over the top and go too far but not what i see on this video. you might be a hater because slc has those shackles and can't come up with different ways to celebrate, warm-up, etc.; that has to be it you guys do the same thing as 90% of all the teams in texas. if someone does something and goes out of the box alittle it is automatically wrong.

MNW has a swagger and it is good for those kids it gets them ready; just because it's more hip-hop and chad johnson instead of alabama and bear bryant does not make it wong; just different.

Your right. Doing all that certainly doesn't turn them Asian.

[trainin' the game]

Your right. Doing all that certainly doesn't turn them Asian.

:rolleyes: ; i mean wrong.

[drgnbkr]

Your right. Doing all that certainly doesn't turn them Asian.

If liking them is wong...I don't wanna be wight.....:D

[Cdawg]

have heard that this glades team is to come to abilene on june 11 and 18th to participate in 7 on 7 at ACU, can anyone confirm, if so it might give a little glimpse of the speed these florida teams have. just looking for confirmation

[t-long20]

Hey tlong..it's not ignorant to think that showboating High School Kids are not as competitive as kids who wear t-shirts that say TEAM/me..there is a certain logic in that..don't ya think? Adrian Peterson of OU diving in the end zone, breaking his collarbone may have glorified himself..but it definately hurt the team..right?

it is ignorant to classify a team as cocky,ridiculous players with no discipline based on some spring game highlights

[Sakatha]

it is ignorant to classify a team as cocky,ridiculous players with no discipline based on some spring game highlights

You didn't even read the whole thread did ya... *OR* my response to your little comment about me being ignorant..

~DnM

[t-long20]

You've no idea of my background. For all you know I could have relatives in Florida(do, actually), and could've had quite A LOT of experience with this squad..

~DnM

wow so now you have relatives in florida? so what does that make you, a MNW scout expert? you would have no idea who they were if they werent playing slc..but now your a football expert in the miami area based on some spring game highlights oh yeah i see how it works

[t-long20]

You didn't even read the whole thread did ya... *OR* my response to your little comment about me being ignorant..

~DnM

no i read the whole thread alright

Team speed. Cocky, ridiculous players. Most likely undisciplined as hell.

Good.

~DnM

[Sakatha]

wow so now you have relatives in florida? so what does that make you, a MNW scout expert? you would have no idea who they were if they werent playing slc..but now your a football expert in the miami area based on some spring game highlights oh yeah i see how it works

wow, done w/you.

Good luck against Curtis... You're gonna need it.

~DnM

[t-long20]

wow, done w/you.

Good luck against Curtis... You're gonna need it.

~DnM

its a very good thing all SLC fans aren't like you

[t-long20]

wow, done w/you.

Good luck against Curtis... You're gonna need it.

~DnM

curtis? what are talking about

[Sakatha]

curtis? what are talking about

Haven't we dealt with this before, aren't you a Longview guy?

~DnM

[t-long20]

Haven't we dealt with this before, aren't you a Longview guy?

~DnM

nope i live in san antonio wow

[Sakatha]

nope i live in san antonio wow

Damnit.. This proves I am ignorant.. You win. :(

~DnM

[t-long20]

Damnit.. This proves I am ignorant.. You win. :(

~DnM

yeah but ignorant comments coming from you are nothing new so im not surprised at all;)

[Sakatha]

yeah but ignorant comments coming from you are nothing new so im not surprised at all;)

I've figured it out... You're Bruce Bowen...

~DnM

[t-long20]

I've figured it out... You're Bruce Bowen...

~DnM

and your Nate Newton

[Texasfrog]

That's exactly what I've been saying. This team looks like La Marque... and if you haven't seen La Marque.. here ya go... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxw8rbUprro

... remember La Marque is 4A, in Texas. (They had 7 sign to play college ball, and return several D1 prospects next year.) To be fair, (in the video)Galveston Ball was not (and has not been for a while) a good team, though their record may have hinted at it. I think Ball could've beaten (FL) Glades, though.

Most years Glades and G-Ball would be a very competive game.

I do however think the average Lamarque team over the last 10 years would own Miami-Dade Co. I have 100% no doubt that if Lamarque played in Florida (6A football) over the last 10 years they would have 4 or 5 Florida State Titles right now.;)

[Texasfrog]

They remind me of La Marque a little. The athletic pro-style QB, small but strong RB, lanky recievers, quick DB's. The only difference is up front, MNW has them by a lot.

Lamarque's O-line and D-line the last few years has been pretty damn big and good. They've had like 5 or 6 (D-1A) players come off those lines the last 2 years to go along with all their skills kids.

I was talking with a college Coach a few years (about 4 years) ago and we got to talking about Lamarque HS. He said the sad thing is Lamarque has (D-1A) players on their sideline suited up that arent playing.;)

[Texasfrog]

have heard that this glades team is to come to abilene on june 11 and 18th to participate in 7 on 7 at ACU, can anyone confirm, if so it might give a little glimpse of the speed these florida teams have. just looking for confirmation

They wont be any faster then about (50 other teams) from across Texas.

I'm talking overall "Team speed."

PS. I hope they come though. I would love for other Texans to see some teams from the South Florida area and their so called "Elite World Class team speed.":rolleyes:

[Texasfrog]

wow so now you have relatives in florida? so what does that make you, a MNW scout expert? you would have no idea who they were if they werent playing slc..but now your a football expert in the miami area based on some spring game highlights oh yeah i see how it works

I lived in the Miami-Dade region for 3 years and went to probably 20 High school games in the time period (Dade Co. & Broward Co).

I cant say that I've every saw anything that was just way out of the ordinary "cocky or arrogant" that I didnt ever see in some Texas programs. The kids will be a reflection of the family life, coaches and ect.

My whole point about this game is based on other things that I've seen over the years when I compare elite Florida (Miami-Dade) football to elite Texas football.

I'll still say that trying to be somewhat objective and on things that I've seen over the last 5 years.

SLC=45
MNW= 21

But, we'll see.

[SLC93]

Marcus Fortson appears to be very good!

He's great when he wants to be. Takes alot of plays off.

[SLC93]

If liking them is wong...I don't wanna be wight.....:D

:puke :D :D ;)

[Bobcat81]

Let's keep in mind that this is a "spring game" and although this is not a typical intrasquad scrimmage, it is not a whole lot more than that. MNW has talent and speed and I am not at all that ready to simpy dismiss them. They sort of remind me of a combination of a South Grand team with some Lufkin skill payers for additional speed. MNW is not to taken casually and I am sure that the Carroll staff and players will not do so. I am sure that the south Florida boys will put on a "show" for we Texas fans come next September, but I do not expect a dirty game in any sense, even if the MNW sidelines may sound a bit different than what we are used to in Texas high school football.

....as in the profanity?

[Texasfrog]

....as in the profanity?

If you go to a High School game at Traz Stadium (Miami). It holds about 10,000 people total. Although every game I've been there (regular season and playoff) there has been maybe about 2,000 fans.

Anyway, the Game announcer is always the same dude. You can tell he has been annoucning football games there for years.

Everytime a player makes a play he'll say over the Stadium speakers, Ie. "Jimmy (the machine) Jones make the tackle" or "Bobby (the animal) destroys them " or " Mike (the dynimate) blows them up."

After about 15 plays into the game your ready to "throw up" from listening to all the extra crap he adds on to every "play by play" of the game.

You people from Miami know what I'm talking about.;)

In Texas it's like , "#42 John Doe makes the tackle" but not at Traz Stadium. There is always a big punch line on every play by the play by play annoucner.

[Texasfrog]

Definitely as athletic... if not more!

Ya, I'm with TGO.

Lamarque "lines" may not be as big as MNW. But, they werent really that much smaller either when it's all said and done.

But, athletically I would say that Lamarque wouldnt take 2nd. If anything it's a "push" on the total athletic cabilities with LaMarque and MNW.

I also dont think that 2007 signess:

OT- Andre McGaskey (6-5/295) - Texas
DE- Raphael Guidry ( 6-3/230) - Kansas St.
DL- Michael Ray (6-3/245) - Houston

are small dudes. Plus, I think LaMarque has a couple of Juniors that played lineman that are (D-1A) prospects this year.

[ktCarl]

Ya, I'm with TGO.

Lamarque "lines" may not be as big as MNW. But, they werent really that much smaller either when it's all said and done.

But, athletically I would say that Lamarque wouldnt take 2nd. If anything it's a "push" on the total athletic cabilities with LaMarque and MNW.

I also dont think that 2007 signess:

OT- Andre McGaskey (6-5/295) - Texas
DE- Raphael Guidry ( 6-3/230) - Kansas St.
DL- Michael Ray (6-3/245) - Houston

are small dudes. Plus, I think LaMarque has a couple of Juniors that played lineman that are (D-1A) prospects this year.

I saw LaMarque in the 2003 4A Div II Title game and if they moved up to 5A they would be winning games and running deep in the playoffs. I saw some big kids out on the field for LaMarque.

[Texasfrog]

I saw LaMarque in the 2003 4A Div II Title game and if they moved up to 5A they would be winning games and running deep in the playoffs. I saw some big kids out on the field for LaMarque.

I've seen a few Tx 4A's over the last recent years that wouldnt be totally pushed around by any Tx 5A.

LaMarque has had a couple of teams in the past five years that would of made some serious noise on the 5A level.

The 2005 Highland Park team would of been a stiff Tx 5A team.

Recent teams like Copperas Cove, Texas High, Waco, Alamo Heights and a couple of others wouldnt be pushover my most Texas 5A's either.

[FeeltheHaka]

I don't think it is totally fair to say that the MNW team is cocky and arrogant. Here in Texas if a player gets cocky and arrogant on the field, He get penalized for showing it. I am going to guess that in MNW they don't call penalties for this.

[coogs78]

Team speed. Cocky, ridiculous players. Most likely undisciplined as hell.

Good.

~DnM

Didn't Clint Renfro have a reputation for cocky trash-talking?

[green day]

Didn't Clint Renfro have a reputation for cocky trash-talking?


No, that was enthusiastic confidence

[Sakatha]

It's so awesome how people on this board aren't allowed to make observations about teams OUTSIDE OF THIS STATE and not get called ignorant or basically ********... As if any member of this board has a player on said team who is a son...

Basically boils down to that anyone who says something that someone else doesn't agree with is an idiot. I challenge someone to find a post of mine where I called someone a name or picked a fight out of the blue, without ANY reason.

~DnM

[Texasfrog]

It's so awesome how people on this board aren't allowed to make observations about teams OUTSIDE OF THIS STATE and not get called ignorant or basically ********... As if any member of this board has a player on said team who is a son...

Basically boils down to that anyone who says something that someone else doesn't agree with is an idiot. I challenge someone to find a post of mine where I called someone a name or picked a fight out of the blue, without ANY reason.

~DnM

AMEN, and what's even better is if you have actually seen many of these teams play (Non-Texas teams) and you try to give an Objective opinion. You still have people try to call you out. The funny (but sad) part of is, some of these people that try to call you out havent seen them (Non-Tx) teams play except maybe a very few highlight plays. It's funny and Sad.

[maxtor]

I've seen a few Tx 4A's over the last recent years that wouldnt be totally pushed around by any Tx 5A.

LaMarque has had a couple of teams in the past five years that would of made some serious noise on the 5A level.

The 2005 Highland Park team would of been a stiff Tx 5A team.

Recent teams like Copperas Cove, Texas High, Waco, Alamo Heights and a couple of others wouldnt be pushover my most Texas 5A's either.

Look at Southlake and Smithson Valley in 2002. They were class 4A the year before, got 50 more students, moved to 5A and met in the Title game.

Top 4A teams give up little to 5A IMO. IMO I think a 3A Celina could do very well against a good chunk of ordinary 5A.

[maxtor]

It's so awesome how people on this board aren't allowed to make observations about teams OUTSIDE OF THIS STATE and not get called ignorant or basically ********... As if any member of this board has a player on said team who is a son...

Basically boils down to that anyone who says something that someone else doesn't agree with is an idiot. I challenge someone to find a post of mine where I called someone a name or picked a fight out of the blue, without ANY reason.

~DnM

Im sick and tired of your opinion... PUNK!!!! LOL, kidding aside it seems that when people are cornered or they have little to say and then they just uncork the personal attacks. Whats most annoying is how easily people get lost in the context of the posts! My gosh, someone uses stats to prove their point and you respond as to how their stats are misleading and you offer a clarification and some third party 'message board Sheriff' jumps in and tells you what an idiot you are in that stats "don't win games". LOL, typical.

[svhorns]

Look at Southlake and Smithson Valley in 2002. They were class 4A the year before, got 50 more students, moved to 5A and met in the Title game.

Top 4A teams give up little to 5A IMO. IMO I think a 3A Celina could do very well against a good chunk of ordinary 5A.

Gilmer last year would have been ranked in the top 25 in 5a...

[Sakatha]

Im sick and tired of your opinion... PUNK!!!! LOL, kidding aside it seems that when people are cornered or they have little to say and then they just uncork the personal attacks. Whats most annoying is how easily people get lost in the context of the posts! My gosh, someone uses stats to prove their point and you respond as to how their stats are misleading and you offer a clarification and some third party 'message board Sheriff' jumps in and tells you what an idiot you are in that stats "don't win games". LOL, typical.

Well, the bad is that the majority aren't cornered... Hell, MOST of the time it's not even their team that's being 'attacked' in their eyes. They just feel it necessary to measure their e-peens and decide it's their job to regulate.

~DnM

[TheBigPeach]

I'm sure alot of people are wanting to see this... :)

Let me know if it works or doesn't work.

http://flavarsity.rivals.com/video.asp?section=fbrecruit&pkey=&vidtype=amp&vidid=2536

they are soooo dead. (NW)

[t-long20]

Well, the bad is that the majority aren't cornered... Hell, MOST of the time it's not even their team that's being 'attacked' in their eyes. They just feel it necessary to measure their e-peens and decide it's their job to regulate.

~DnM

tell me about it nate newton;)

[TEXREB]

Gilmer last year would have been ranked in the top 25 in 5a...

Based on talent, maybe, but didn't they lose in the first or second round of the 3A playoffs? In my mind that does not make them a top 25 team in 5A.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Gilmer last year would have been ranked in the top 25 in 5a...

I don't think Gilmer would've been a Top 25 team, if they were in 5A, simply because had they started the year in 5A they would've played MUCH MUCH better teams than that of the 3A level. Gilmer gained notariety because they were undefeated and stocked with great athletes...plus they beat a Top 5 team from Nevada - which isn't saying much. There are a ton of 5A schools that, 6 or 7 weeks into last season, would've had their same success, had they been on 3A.

I would question whether they would've gone undefeated, seeing how they probably would've faced teams like Lufkin, Tyler Lee, Longview and maybe even 4A Marshall. (East Texas 5A!!) Those teams would've most likely walked through Gilmer.

While they were an excellent team, they still need to be judged by their level of competition.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Look at Southlake and Smithson Valley in 2002. They were class 4A the year before, got 50 more students, moved to 5A and met in the Title game.

Top 4A teams give up little to 5A IMO. IMO I think a 3A Celina could do very well against a good chunk of ordinary 5A.

La Marque is much like SLC and Smithson Valley, but annually better in - overall - athletic talent. It doesn't shock me to see obvious SUPERIOR 4A teams have immediate success on the 5A level. I think of it as, those superb programs (community) are built to have football success on the highest level, they just happen to have an enrollment that places them on a lower level.

It can happen vice versa, as well... there are some 5A teams that wouldn't rank in the Top 30 on the 4A level. (IE..Dallas Sunset, Dallas Molina, etc..)

Celina (3A) would destroy Sunset and Molina (both 5A)... but they would probably be hammered by teams like Texas City (4A). JMO.

[Bobcat81]

If you go to a High School game at Traz Stadium (Miami). It holds about 10,000 people total. Although every game I've been there (regular season and playoff) there has been maybe about 2,000 fans.

Anyway, the Game announcer is always the same dude. You can tell he has been annoucning football games there for years.

Everytime a player makes a play he'll say over the Stadium speakers, Ie. "Jimmy (the machine) Jones make the tackle" or "Bobby (the animal) destroys them " or " Mike (the dynimate) blows them up."

After about 15 plays into the game your ready to "throw up" from listening to all the extra crap he adds on to every "play by play" of the game.

You people from Miami know what I'm talking about.;)

In Texas it's like , "#42 John Doe makes the tackle" but not at Traz Stadium. There is always a big punch line on every play by the play by play annoucner.


LOL..No wonder there are so few fans in the stands. That would get old real quick.

Probably adds to the players hyped up attitudes as well. :rolleyes:

[Texasfrog]

LOL..No wonder there are so few fans in the stands. That would get old real quick.

Probably adds to the players hyped up attitudes as well. :rolleyes:

Ya, in the 2005 playoffs I went to Traz to watch Carol City vs "somebody" cant even remember. It was like a State-quarterfinal game and there was like 2,000 fans in the stand.

Anyway, at halftime that same announcer saids over the Stadium speaker," Everyone give a big shout out to the college scouts from Tennessee, North Carolina and LSU because they are here to see the best players in the country playing the best HS football in the country."

Of coarse I was sitting the stands just laughing because this guy actually just said that over the Stadium Speakers and wanted to tell him that he could go to almost any 5A & 4A Playoff game in Texas and see many of the same coaching staffs scouting.

[SLC93]

Any thoughts on how the MNW squad will react to playing in front of a possibly full house? I know normal attendance figures in Florida are low & even the best state games draw less than many regular season games in Texas. I believe their attendance record is around 27,000. There's alot to be said for experience playing in front of big crowds & I'm not sure they've ever been exposed to the type of enviroment this game is going to create.

[Texasfrog]

Any thoughts on how the MNW squad will react to playing in front of a possibly full house? I know normal attendance figures in Florida are low & even the best state games draw less than many regular season games in Texas. I believe their attendance record is around 27,000. There's alot to be said for experience playing in front of big crowds & I'm not sure they've ever been exposed to the type of enviroment this game is going to create.

Not only a full house. But, a full house that is 95% against you. Throw in the fact that this is probably the furthest many MNW players have ever gone in their lives.

That's why these away games are tough for the visiting teams. There is a lot to factor into it.

But, it will be interesting to see how MNW reacts to being in front of a hostile crowd of say 20,000+ people.

[drgnbkr]

Not only a full house. But, a full house that is 95% against you. Throw in the fact that this is probably the furthest many MNW players have ever gone in their lives.

That's why these away games are tough for the visiting teams. There is a lot to factor into it.

But, it will be interesting to see how MNW reacts to being in front of a hostile crowd of say 20,000+ people.

Link to Ford Stadium - SMU http://smumustangs.cstv.com/facilities/ford-stadium.html holds 35,000

[fballgirl22]

Any thoughts on how the MNW squad will react to playing in front of a possibly full house? I know normal attendance figures in Florida are low & even the best state games draw less than many regular season games in Texas. I believe their attendance record is around 27,000. There's alot to be said for experience playing in front of big crowds & I'm not sure they've ever been exposed to the type of enviroment this game is going to create.


I don't know but I just think that it's really not going to be a factor. If they really are cocky it's just going to further it because they have a larger crowd to showboat for. It's seems as if the general consensus with the Floridians is that we as Texans are arse backwards so they might come into the game thinking SLC is going to be a pushover. One thing I can guarantee you is that they will definitely be shocked but it will be by the precision of SLC's play. I think when they see the players first come out to warm-up they are going to be like "This is SLC pfft" but once the game starts and the "Machine" is cranked up it 's going to be a whole different story. That first punch in the mouth from SLC is what's going to shock them and it's going to shock the hell out of them.

[CFlb38 08]

Team speed. Cocky, ridiculous players. Most likely undisciplined as hell.

Good.

~DnM

and very talented

[KT2000]

I agree fballgirl.

I think the key to the game will be the first quarter. If Carroll starts fast and builds a two possession lead or more early, it will get ugly and quickly. The key against teams that base their play on raw athletic ability is taking their confidence away. Carroll's main strength in my opinion, precision, will be what breaks the game open. NW is a team that overwhelms people who are not talented enough or disciplined enough to contain their athleticism. NW is not used to being challenged over four quarters, so that is another big advantage in Carroll's favor. There are maybe one or two teams in Florida that can stay within a couple scores of NW. They just don't see the overall strength of competition that the Dragons do.

[dada]

I agree fballgirl.

I think the key to the game will be the first quarter. If Carroll starts fast and builds a two possession lead or more early, it will get ugly and quickly. The key against teams that base their play on raw athletic ability is taking their confidence away. Carroll's main strength in my opinion, precision, will be what breaks the game open. NW is a team that overwhelms people who are not talented enough or disciplined enough to contain their athleticism. NW is not used to being challenged over four quarters, so that is another big advantage in Carroll's favor. There are maybe one or two teams in Florida that can stay within a couple scores of NW. They just don't see the overall strength of competition that the Dragons do.

Is our road trip confirmed?

[KT2000]

Is our road trip confirmed?

I'm not sure.

I have a pretty good idea of how the game will turn out, and may decide to save the DFW trip for a certain potential second round playoff game instead.

[Texasfrog]

Link to Ford Stadium - SMU http://smumustangs.cstv.com/facilities/ford-stadium.html holds 35,000

Ya, I know it holds more than 20,000. But, I dont know if I expect more than 20,000. It's on a Saturday and it's College football day.

I expect SLC to pack the house with 15,000 and I expect about 5,000 interested fans to show up.

I'll be surprised if more than 20,000 fill up Ford Stadium.

[Texasfrog]

I agree fballgirl.

I think the key to the game will be the first quarter. If Carroll starts fast and builds a two possession lead or more early, it will get ugly and quickly. The key against teams that base their play on raw athletic ability is taking their confidence away. Carroll's main strength in my opinion, precision, will be what breaks the game open. NW is a team that overwhelms people who are not talented enough or disciplined enough to contain their athleticism. NW is not used to being challenged over four quarters, so that is another big advantage in Carroll's favor. There are maybe one or two teams in Florida that can stay within a couple scores of NW. They just don't see the overall strength of competition that the Dragons do.

Watch out KT2000, you're swimming in some deep water here talking about others State's competition level.

I say something like that and the "mortar rounds" start falling around me.:D

[drgnbkr]

Ya, I know it holds more than 20,000. But, I dont know if I expect more than 20,000. It's on a Saturday and it's College football day.

I expect SLC to pack the house with 15,000 and I expect about 5,000 interested fans to show up.

I'll be surprised if more than 20,000 fill up Ford Stadium.

Your probably right..the Florida crowd will probably fit on 1 row. The rest will be local fans and there are lots of options for football fans that day...and it's on TV.

[Texasfrog]

I don't know but I just think that it's really not going to be a factor. If they really are cocky it's just going to further it because they have a larger crowd to showboat for. It's seems as if the general consensus with the Floridians is that we as Texans are arse backwards so they might come into the game thinking SLC is going to be a pushover. One thing I can guarantee you is that they will definitely be shocked but it will be by the precision of SLC's play. I think when they see the players first come out to warm-up they are going to be like "This is SLC pfft" but once the game starts and the "Machine" is cranked up it 's going to be a whole different story. That first punch in the mouth from SLC is what's going to shock them and it's going to shock the hell out of them.

Honestly, I think when they see SLC players in person during Pre-Game warmups. MNW is going to be like "DAMN, these SLC kids are bigger than what I thought.";)

But, you're right that SLC team chemistry and precision will be like nothing MNW has ever seen before.

They (MNW) will be like, "These dudes aint laying down and dying like we're used to back in Miami-Dade" and it's going to "Shock & AWE" them and I predict the game to get ugly by the late 2nd Qt and the 2nd half will be owned by SLC.

SLC=45
MNW=21

[Texasfrog]

Your probably right..the Florida crowd will probably fit on 1 row. The rest will be local fans and there are lots of options for football fans that day...and it's on TV.

MNW wont have more than 200 fans at this game. I would bet my paycheck on that.:eek:

SLC=45
MNW=21

[dada]

I'm not sure.

I have a pretty good idea of how the game will turn out, and may decide to save the DFW trip for a certain potential second round playoff game instead.

Is the game televised?..Sorry...havent been paying attention

[KT2000]

Is the game televised?..Sorry...havent been paying attention

It'll be on ESPiN 2.

[jakerz]

Honestly, I think when they see SLC players in person during Pre-Game warmups. MNW is going to be like "DAMN, these SLC kids are bigger than what I thought.";)

But, you're right that SLC team chemistry and precision will be like nothing MNW has ever seen before.

They (MNW) will be like, "These dudes aint laying down and dying like we're used to back in Miami-Dade" and it's going to "Shock & AWE" them and I predict the game to get ugly by the late 2nd Qt and the 2nd half will be owned by SLC.

SLC=45
MNW=21

Haha, I don't think they'll be saying that. Hopefully they judge them as small and weak, and that's where SLC can capitalize.

[Texasfrog]

Haha, I don't think they'll be saying that. Hopefully they judge them as small and weak, and that's where SLC can capitalize.

I'm just saying that I believe SLC is bigger then what they probably are thinking. It's not like SLC is exactly a small team either.

[SLC93]

I'm not sure.

I have a pretty good idea of how the game will turn out, and may decide to save the DFW trip for a certain potential second round playoff game instead.

;) :D If you had to choose one, I'd take the second too

[ScottS]

It'll be on ESPiN 2.

So SMU and ESPN2?

[SLC93]

So SMU and ESPN2?

That's correct

[TrojanHorse03]

You know, I've had some disagreememts over this NW team that's been analyzed more than the Zapruder film, concerning what I call "jumps to negative conclusions." But I realize what's most important is we're all in 100% agreement that Southlake wins. As for some concerns about NW playing in a game this big or being hit in the mouth, I'll give you an example that past experiences can be overrated. And yes I KNOW the teams and situation is different(how different is still up to NW)last year before Trinity played Southlake they hadn't trailed 1 second all year and hadn't played in front of a crowd like that since '82. When they we're down 9-0 that was something they hadn't seen ALL year, while they didn't win, experience in close games wasn't part of the equation. I don't know NW's heart should they get down, but just cause they haven't been there doesn't mean they won't show it. And yes, I have seen how pathetic FL crowds are. KTs what's your June score for this game?

[KT2000]

I've got nearly as many Florida championship games on tape as I do Texas, so I feel halfway qualified to form an opinion on this one.

If I had to pick a score now, based on what I know about each program, I would say 42-21 Carroll.

Although it's taking place early in the season, I expect we'll see a game of explosive plays given the firepower of the Dragon offense coupled with the athleticism of Miami NW.

From what I've seen on national boards, the ability of Carroll's players is grossly underestimated. I believe the national audience will be surprised.

[pack75]

I know I'm kind of late, but what time is kickoff?

[syzygy]

I've got nearly as many Florida championship games on tape as I do Texas, so I feel halfway qualified to form an opinion on this one.

If I had to pick a score now, based on what I know about each program, I would say 42-21 Carroll.

Although it's taking place early in the season, I expect we'll see a game of explosive plays given the firepower of the Dragon offense coupled with the athleticism of Miami NW.

From what I've seen on national boards, the ability of Carroll's players is grossly underestimated. I believe the national audience will be surprised.

The last thing Miami NW needs to do is underestimate Southlake Carroll in any aspect. Southlake Carroll football is simply "The Juggernaut" of high school football. The Juggernaut has the most disciplined offense in all the universe. While The Juggernaut's offense gets all the glitz and glamor, The Juggernaut has a good defense as well (something foolish opponents often mistake for a weakness).

Miami NW isn't going to overwhelm The Juggernaut with athleticism, for The Juggernaut is too disciplined to even be fazed by athleticism. Miami NW will definitely not defeat The Juggernaut in an old fashioned Texas Western shootout, many have tried, all have failed.

If Miami NW wants to defeat The Juggernaut, Miami NW will need to need to drink some holy water and mimic what Katy did in 2003 (easier said than done). Miami NW will need to make HUGE plays on defense by getting a lot pressure on Riley Dodge, and keep Southlake Carroll's offense off the field (easier said than done).

I laugh every time I hear someone talk about a team that will defeat The Juggernaut by simply being more physical, The Juggernaut is just as physical, The Juggernaut is a rock.

Doubters need to watch the clip of when The Juggernaut's QB puked and a flicked that touchdown pass like it was nothing.

[KT2000]

The match-up of the Dragon OL vs. the blue chip NW DL will be what goes a long way to determining the result.

Carroll's OL is extremely good and opposing DLs look like they are running into a brick wall on the snap of the ball. Trinity's Youri Yenga is the only player I've seen really give a Carroll OL problems of all the Dragon games I've seen.

[ktCarl]

The last thing Miami NW needs to do is underestimate Southlake Carroll in any aspect. Southlake Carroll football is simply "The Juggernaut" of high school football. The Juggernaut has the most disciplined offense in all the universe. While The Juggernaut's offense gets all the glitz and glamor, The Juggernaut has a good defense as well (something foolish opponents often mistake for a weakness).

Miami NW isn't going to overwhelm The Juggernaut with athleticism, for The Juggernaut is too disciplined to even be fazed by athleticism. Miami NW will definitely not defeat The Juggernaut in an old fashioned Texas Western shootout, many have tried, all have failed.

If Miami NW wants to defeat The Juggernaut, Miami NW will need to need to drink some holy water and mimic what Katy did in 2003 (easier said than done). Miami NW will need to make HUGE plays on defense by getting a lot pressure on Riley Dodge, and keep Southlake Carroll's offense off the field (easier said than done).

I laugh every time I hear someone talk about a team that will defeat The Juggernaut by simply being more physical, The Juggernaut is just as physical, The Juggernaut is a rock.

Doubters need to watch the clip of when The Juggernaut's QB puked and a flicked that touchdown pass like it was nothing.

Thank you. That was compelling. :rolleyes:

[Texasfrog]

The match-up of the Dragon OL vs. the blue chip NW DL will be what goes a long way to determining the result.

Carroll's OL is extremely good and opposing DLs look like they are running into a brick wall on the snap of the ball. Trinity's Youri Yenga is the only player I've seen really give a Carroll OL problems of all the Dragon games I've seen.

Watching Youri Yenga in the SLC vs ET game was a treat. I just got memsmerized watching how he would come up to the line and show SLC something and then back out or he would show a coverage look and come shooting threw an assigned gap faster than a blink. He is going to be a very good College player.

I also agree that this game will be won in the trenches and line execution more than many of the so called "skilled positions" that people are all talking about. I think SLC O-line execution is great and they aint small like I believe many Florida people think. I mean if (6-3/265) average is small.

But, I think SLC's D-line "depth" will give MNW fits. SLC will have quality "depth" in the trenches that can all execute and late in the 2nd QT and all of the 2nd Half it will pay off huge for SLC.

SLC - 45
MNW- 21

[businesstron]

I'm kind of wondering.... If anyone knows What kind of offenses has this Miami team seen. Since it's a Dade County school I"d figure it would be mostly run oriented offenses. I could be wrong though. Have they seen an offense like SLC? As far as balance and efficiency goes?

[SLC93]

I'm kind of wondering.... If anyone knows What kind of offenses has this Miami team seen. Since it's a Dade County school I"d figure it would be mostly run oriented offenses. I could be wrong though. Have they seen an offense like SLC? As far as balance and efficiency goes?

To the best of anyone's knowlede, the answer is no. There are very few spread systems run in Florida and none as complex & balanced as Carroll's. Teams that play defense against spread based offenses regulary in Texas have struggled defending the Dragons. Very few programs that run this offense attempt to have the balance Carroll does & even fewer, if any acheive it. The 5000 yards passing grabs the headlines and folks forget about the 3000 yards plus gained on the ground. Play calling is 50/50 so the MNW defense will have alot of reading to do.

[Texasfrog]

I'm kind of wondering.... If anyone knows What kind of offenses has this Miami team seen. Since it's a Dade County school I"d figure it would be mostly run oriented offenses. I could be wrong though. Have they seen an offense like SLC? As far as balance and efficiency goes?

Most of the teams that I've seen in the Miami-Dade Co. region ran out of the I-formation or the Wing-T formations. There is very few teams that run a pure Spread offense and their isnt any that are anywhere near SLC level. Not even close and I dont care who calls me a Texas "homer."

I've seen one team in the Miami-Dade Co. region that ran a decent and let me say that again, "Decent" spread offense and that was B.T. Washington who is most years a top #3 team in the Miami-Dade area and even their offense was 1/4 what SLC is when it comes to chemistry and technique.

MNW has never seen or played against a team like SLC and their balanced Spread "Fast attack" offense. If SLC decided to go "no huddle" and just bring it at MNW defense. This game would be controlled and mostly over by halftime.

SLC- 45
MNW- 21

[ScottS]

If SLC decided to go "no huddle" and just bring it at MNW defense. This game would be controlled and mostly over by halftime.

SLC- 45
MNW- 21

SLC doesn't use a huddle. At least they didn't in 2006.

[SLC93]

Most of the teams that I've seen in the Miami-Dade Co. region ran out of the I-formation or the Wing-T formations. There is very few teams that run a pure Spread offense and their isnt any that are anywhere near SLC level. Not even close and I dont care who calls me a Texas "homer."

I've seen one team in the Miami-Dade Co. region that ran a decent and let me say that again, "Decent" spread offense and that was B.T. Washington who is most years a top #3 team in the Miami-Dade area and even their offense was 1/4 what SLC is when it comes to chemistry and technique.

MNW has never seen or played against a team like SLC and their balanced Spread "Fast attack" offense. If SLC decided to go "no huddle" and just bring it at MNW defense. This game would be controlled and mostly over by halftime.
SLC- 45
MNW- 21

I'm interested to see if they'll do just that. The gameplan for MNW will tell us alot about how aggressive Wasson plans to be with this stellar offensive unit. Most folks wouldn't think he has a killer instinct, just looking at him. They would be wrong and I think he has every intention of playing a controlled, uptempo attack on offense. There should be an intense rhythen developed working the short to mid range routes.

[Sakatha]

Frog -

The way I am thinking is, if that big tackle and that LB can't get pressure early, and I mean the FIRST series, it's gonna be a REAL long day for the LB's and Secondary...

If they can't get a push off the edge, forget it.

~DnM

[Texasfrog]

SLC doesn't use a huddle. At least they didn't in 2006.

Ya, I dont really mean huddle but if they go to the really fast pace offense where they basically are getting up and looking over for the quick play call and going. MNW wont have "ONE CLUE" how to defend that. It will be like stealing candy from a baby almost.

[svhorns]

SLC doesn't use a huddle. At least they didn't in 2006.

have they ever huddled??? recently I mean

[svhorns]

I'm kind of wondering.... If anyone knows What kind of offenses has this Miami team seen. Since it's a Dade County school I"d figure it would be mostly run oriented offenses. I could be wrong though. Have they seen an offense like SLC? As far as balance and efficiency goes?

thats a good question...

[yankee]

so i heard today from a varsity football player that we're playing glades central in 7 on 7 this year...i couldn't tell if he was being serious or not. anyone else know anything about this?

[Texasfrog]

Frog -

The way I am thinking is, if that big tackle and that LB can't get pressure early, and I mean the FIRST series, it's gonna be a REAL long day for the LB's and Secondary...

If they can't get a push off the edge, forget it.

~DnM

I'm going to be really interested in seeing how MNW secondary and LB's are coached to defend this (SLC). I just dont really see how they are going to do it.

They never see this offense in Miami-Dade. So, they dont ever play against it. They dont really ever practice against it. So, gearing up to stop SLC offense is going to be really tough for a team like MNW for just those reasons on top of about 10 others reasons.

The opposte end of the spectrum. SLC defense has seen MNW type of offense and they've played against it and they've practiced against it. So, they seen it and done it before.

As far as the MNW D-line. I'm be curious to see how they do with Gap-technique and staying in control. Playing against a team like SLC the D-line has to be very disciplined in gap-control and technique are it's over. I for one dont think MNW is up to that standard. Plus, I think there is a "DEPTH" issue and when those D-lineman start to weardown the quality of the backup is going to kill them.

SLC- 45
MNW- 21

[SLC93]

have they ever huddled??? recently I mean

Very little. Dodge was their huddle, signaling from the sideline.

[SLCDad]

have they ever huddled??? recently I mean

I haven't seen SLC huddle since 2000 except for a very, very few special occasions.

[drgnbkr]

I haven't seen SLC huddle since 2000 except for a very, very few special occasions.

But there is the no-huddle and there is the speed it up no huddle...the Indy package, where they just keep snapping the ball..tuff

[SLC93]

But there is the no-huddle and there is the speed it up no huddle...the Indy package, where they just keep snapping the ball..tuff

I think, if used correctly, the Indy version would completely demoralize the MNW defense & completely utilize the home field advantage by whipping us all into a complete frenzy.:D

[CCHS77]

I haven't seen SLC huddle since 2000 except for a very, very few special occasions.

I thought the no huddle was put in, summer of '02, after Coach Dodge spent some time at Mid. Tenn. I believe receivers brought plays in from the sidelines in Dodge's (R Lay's) '00 and '01 seasons.

[BigFanSLC]

I thought the no huddle was put in, summer of '02, after Coach Dodge spent some time at Mid. Tenn. I believe receivers brought plays in from the sidelines in Dodge's (R Lay's) '00 and '01 seasons.


Correct.

[ScottS]

I actually have seen Carroll huddle, but only when the 2nd string offense was in and even then I'm not sure it was all the time.

[Olddragondawggreen]

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[drgnbkr]

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I guess that qualifies as a first post??:p Welcome to the board.

[SLCDad]

The last thing Miami NW needs to do is underestimate Southlake Carroll in any aspect. Southlake Carroll football is simply "The Juggernaut" of high school football. The Juggernaut has the most disciplined offense in all the universe. While The Juggernaut's offense gets all the glitz and glamor, The Juggernaut has a good defense as well (something foolish opponents often mistake for a weakness).

Miami NW isn't going to overwhelm The Juggernaut with athleticism, for The Juggernaut is too disciplined to even be fazed by athleticism. Miami NW will definitely not defeat The Juggernaut in an old fashioned Texas Western shootout, many have tried, all have failed.

If Miami NW wants to defeat The Juggernaut, Miami NW will need to need to drink some holy water and mimic what Katy did in 2003 (easier said than done). Miami NW will need to make HUGE plays on defense by getting a lot pressure on Riley Dodge, and keep Southlake Carroll's offense off the field (easier said than done).

I laugh every time I hear someone talk about a team that will defeat The Juggernaut by simply being more physical, The Juggernaut is just as physical, The Juggernaut is a rock.

Doubters need to watch the clip of when The Juggernaut's QB puked and a flicked that touchdown pass like it was nothing.

What's a Juggernaut? Mick's kids in space suits?

[svhorns]

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not much for your first post... I get it... your just trying not to step on anyones toes... good thinking

[SLC93]

not much for your first post... I get it... your just trying not to step on anyones toes... good thinking

:D :D :D