NASA chief weighs in on g****l w*****g

[KT2000]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4849501.html


I have to say I agree completely with Mr. Griffin. I do believe we should always be looking to take more conservatory measures and be more efficient for the sake of society, but I don't think we can ultimately have any significant control over the global climate whatsoever.

[Winston]

Sorry KT, this guy sounds like a political hack to me based on what I read in the article you posted:

NASA Administrator Michael Griffin, whose agency's observations of the Earth have helped to confirm a global rise in temperature, said he doubts that global warming is an issue mankind should address.
"I have no doubt that global — that a trend of global warming exists," Griffin told National Public Radio's Morning Edition in an interview set for broadcast today. "I'm not sure it's fair to say that is a problem we must wrestle with."
Environmental groups criticized Griffin's remarks as irresponsible.
Griffin's remarks suggest NASA is prepared to ignore the findings gathered by its own satellites and scientists, said Philip Clapp, president of the National Environmental Trust, a nonpartisan watchdog group.
"The science performed by NASA as well as scientists around the world shows that global warming is no longer an environmental issue. It's a rapidly advancing human disaster," Clapp said. "Millions of people across the world will face hunger, flooding from a rise in sea levels and water scarcity. To try to hide that by saying we don't know what the climate should be is ignoring the science of his own agency."
But Griffin's assessment merely reflects a Bush administration reluctance to address a major environmental problem, according to David Willett, chief spokesman for the Sierra Club, the nation's oldest environmental advocacy group.
"What makes it doubly concerning is that NASA is on the front line, really able to sound the warning bell of what's happening to our planet because they get the planet-wide view," Wiliett said. "They have given the scientific consensus already. They should feel an obligation to be looking at the issue of global warming as a problem that needs to be addressed, not as a phenomenon that simply needs to be studied."
Last year, James Hansen, the space agency's chief climatologist, charged that a young political appointee in the agency's public affairs branch had tried to stop him from speaking out on his long-standing concerns over global warming.


BTW, is the phrase "global warming" now considered profanity on this site? I'm not sure why you are substituting asterisks for the letters there.

I enjoy your posts and this site tremendously, BTW, even though we don't appear to see eye to eye on this particular issue.

[KT2000]

Just a friendly jab at the hypersensitivity of these subjects.

[Winston]

Just a friendly jab at the hypersensitivity of these subjects.

Amen to that LOL!

[ktCarl]

I can't believe you started another 'global warming' thread and doubly surprised that Sir Winston jumped in.

You need to be thoroughly spanked.

[rwilleby]

Just a friendly jab at the hypersensitivity of these subjects.

now that's funny...

[LP-79]

All I got to say on the matter is 20 years ago all the know it all scientists were saying we were at the beginning stages of the next ice age.:eek:

[Redhoss]

All I got to say on the matter is 20 years ago all the know it all scientists were saying we were at the beginning stages of the next ice age.:eek:

Well you know Scientists are never wrong. :puke

[Humblefied]

How valid to people on here think the Al Gore movie is? Just curious. It had some pretty convincing statistics.

I have no opinion on this topic as long as mother earth is here before I die.

[Redhoss]

How valid to people on here think the Al Gore movie is? Just curious. It had some pretty convincing statistics.

I have no opinion on this topic as long as mother earth is here before I die.

I find it to be a total farce and about half the Scientific community agrees with me.

[ktCarl]

How valid to people on here think the Al Gore movie is? Just curious. It had some pretty convincing statistics.

I have no opinion on this topic as long as mother earth is here before I die.

This question was answered many times in the last global warming thread.

Curses be to KT2000. I shall bounce 'Excalibur' off your head.

[GoOwls]

OK, I got sucked in again.

I just saw a report the other day that, yes, our atmosphere went up over a degree the last century. It also disclosed that "scientific" ice cores taken in the polar regions, have disclosed that the earth has warmed about 1 degree per century since, at least, the 1500's, well before the industrial age that is blamed for the warming.

Could it be, as I have said before, that the warmng we are experiencing is just a continuation of the warming that ended our last ice age? Makes as much sense as anything Algore was able to manipulate from his numbers.

[Winston]

All I got to say on the matter is 20 years ago all the know it all scientists were saying we were at the beginning stages of the next ice age.:eek:

That is not true whatsoever. Even the most lowly college chemistry profs in the '80's could see how global warming would affect the earth's climate based on the chemical properties of the pollutants. No conservatives and liberals. No Algores. Just basic chemical properties. Of course, one can't campaign against facts. That's why one has to insult people instead of facts in order to protect one's financial interests. That's why 99% of posters in these threads are either tied to the oil industry, or they are junior high or high school posers who just know it's "cool" to be seen insulting the science so they can get some in their local community. They don't know yet that true adulthood is about being honest, and maybe they never will.

[Winston]

OK, I got sucked in again.

I just saw a report the other day that, yes, our atmosphere went up over a degree the last century. It also disclosed that "scientific" ice cores taken in the polar regions, have disclosed that the earth has warmed about 1 degree per century since, at least, the 1500's, well before the industrial age that is blamed for the warming.

Could it be, as I have said before, that the warmng we are experiencing is just a continuation of the warming that ended our last ice age? Makes as much sense as anything Algore was able to manipulate from his numbers.

GoOwls, the warming of the earth has been exponentially more pronounced during the last 5 to 10 years than what you indicate has occurred since the 1500's. If you haven't had access to any college chemistry courses since the '80's, then I might suggest reading articles from a mainstream newspaper that is not bought and paid for by Rupert Murdoch, or perhaps seeing the movie Inconvenient Truth.

I know you are something of a nihilist from your previous postings - and that is entirely your business. It should remain your business instead of your trying to convince other folks to go ahead and squander the earth's resources to suit your point of view, IMO.

[GoOwls]

That is not true whatsoever. Even the most lowly college chemistry profs in the '80's could see how global warming would affect the earth's climate based on the chemical properties of the pollutants. No conservatives and liberals. No Algores. Just basic chemical properties. Of course, one can't campaign against facts. That's why one has to insult people instead of facts in order to protect one's financial interests. That's why 99% of posters in these threads are either tied to the oil industry, or they are junior high or high school posers who just know it's "cool" to be seen insulting the science so they can get some in their local community. They don't know yet that true adulthood is about being honest.

I agree.....ice cores show that the earth has warmed about 1 degree per century, since at least the 1500's, way before the industrial era. So what's your point? The earth is still warming from the end of the ice age. Cyclical weather trends...nothing more. Go ahead...help AlGore and all the other looneys make some bucks off your over-reacting self. Stupid as stupid does, or so Forest Gump said.

[Winston]

I will let you catch up with my reply to your specific post.

[Winston]

I can't believe you started another 'global warming' thread and doubly surprised that Sir Winston jumped in.

You need to be thoroughly spanked.

LOL ha ha! :p

[GoOwls]

I will let you catch up with my reply to your specific post.

I caught up, I just repeated my post because you still don't get it. I'm just trying to help you out.

You're all caught up in that nihilist thing, aren't you? I guess you missed the terrorist plot we stopped last week? It's just a matter of time.....

As for the using up the resources, heck no I'm not for it, but we little peons don't run things and all Al's rantings won't change the way the energy companies do business, even if he really is serious, which I don't believe he is.

Enjoy your little "My Little Pony" world....for as long as it lasts.

[Winston]

I caught up, I just repeated my post because you still don't get it. I'm just trying to help you out.

You're all caught up in that nihilist thing, aren't you? I guess you missed the terrorist plot we stopped last week? It's just a matter of time.....

As for the using up the resources, heck no I'm not for it, but we little peons don't run things and all Al's rantings won't change the way the energy companies do business, even if he really is serious, which I don't believe he is.

Enjoy your little "My Little Pony" world....for as long as it lasts.

OK

[GoOwls]

OK

See...we reached an agreement.....:D

[Winston]

See...we reached an agreement.....:D

LOL :D

[drgnbkr]

NASA Chief tells it like it is....

NASA administrator Michael Griffin said in the closed-door meeting Monday at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena that “unfortunately, this is an issue which has become far more political than technical, and it would have been well for me to have stayed out of it.”

There are now enough scietific opinions which counter the "Gore Propaganda" that it is revealed as mostly a political issue....the libs want to push the agenda so as to create a monstrous beaurocracy to deal with it, the conservatives are tapping the breaks.

[TheBigPeach]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4849501.html


I have to say I agree completely with Mr. Griffin. I do believe we should always be looking to take more conservatory measures and be more efficient for the sake of society, but I don't think we can ultimately have any significant control over the global climate whatsoever.

is this the same guy that hired that crazy lady that wore diapers to kill her husband?

[drgnbkr]

is this the same guy that hired that crazy lady that wore diapers to kill her husband?

She was blinded by love...:D