Dump Dirk for Kobe

[TheBigPeach]

Dump Dirk? For Kobe, Mavs should


VERNON BRYANT / DMN
If you think it's laughable to move Dirk Nowitzki (foreground) for Kobe Bryant, think again. It doesn't matter whether it is Mark Cuban or Donnie Nelson, but one of them needs to contact Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak today and find out what it takes to get Kobe Bryant. If the answer is Dirk Nowitzki, writes columnist Jean-Jacques Taylor, then so be it.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/basketball/

[t-long20]

the last thing the mavericks need is more offensive ball-hogging..how about they work on getting some solid defensive players(see spurs and pistons)

[SLC93]

That article is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long while. About the only point addressed is that the salaries would make it feasible. How does Bryant, when inserted into the current Mavs line up, make things better for Dallas? The answer is he doesn't. They would win less games, no division titles & would be no better served in the playoffs. I particulary enjoyed the part of the article where the author states he's not worried about losing a power forward and gives no options for filling that hole. Like it or not, you're talking about players with similar career numbers & of the same age. You do not trade big for small, as a rule. Most especially where the addition does not offset the subtraction. I'll take the all star/mvp who has an unquestioned work ethic, is a good team mate & has a high level of personal character. Let's not forget the small matter of Kobe & his ego being the precise reason a championship team was dismantled and has never recovered. He made his bed, let him rot in it.

[SLC93]

Also, Kobe's three rings have no weight with me. He's destined to never win another. In the mean time, Shaq took another team to the championship round and won. I'll let y'all figure out who was the bigger part of the equation.

[svhorns]

the last thing the mavericks need is more offensive ball-hogging..how about they work on getting some solid defensive players(see spurs and pistons)

I dont like Kobe at all... but Im pretty sure hes been ALL NBA defensive team for several years straight...

[TheBigPeach]

Also, Kobe's three rings have no weight with me. He's destined to never win another. In the mean time, Shaq took another team to the championship round and won. I'll let y'all figure out who was the bigger part of the equation.

Idk I think if they did trade for Kobe, they need to get more out of the deal, like maybe a draft pick or something.

[jrock210]

Just another player to blow a year.

[lonny23]

As good as Kobe is and even despite the potential of a 1 for 1 swap and getting Kobe a better supporting cast in Dallas, I'm reminded of this fact of life in the West:

06 Dirk and Dallas in The Finals.
05 TD and the Spurs won it all.
04 Shaq and LA in The Finals.
03 TD and SA won it.
02 Shaq and LA won it.
01 Shaq and LA won it.
00 Shaq and LA won it.
99 TD and SA won it.
98 Malone played in The Finals.
97 Malone played in The Finals.
96 Kemp played in the Finals.
95 Hakeem won it.
94 Hakeem won it.
93 Barkley played in The Finals.

92 Portland played in The Finals and DID NOT have an All-NBA type at the 4 or 5.

Further back than 92, you have:

Kareem and the Lakers in The Finals in 80, 82, 83, 84, 85, 87, 88, and 89.
Moses Malone and the Rockets in 81 and the Twin Towers in 86.

Only in 90 (Blazers) and 91 (Lakers) can you say they didn't have an All-NBA type player at the 4 or 5.

When only 3 teams in the last 28 years have won the West without an All-Star at the 4 or 5, it makes you think Dallas better keep Dirk.

[SLC93]

As good as Kobe is and even despite the potential of a 1 for 1 swap and getting Kobe a better supporting cast in Dallas, I'm reminded of this fact of life in the West:

06 Dirk and Dallas in The Finals
05 TD and the Spurs won it all.
04 Shaq and LA in The Finals.
03 TD and SA won it.
02 Shaq and LA won it.
01 Shaq and LA won it.
00 Shaq and LA won it.
99 TD and SA won it.
98 Malone played in The Finals.
97 Malone played in The Finals.
96 Kemp played in the Finals.
95 Hakeem won it.
94 Hakeem won it.
93 Barkley played in The Finals.

92 Portland played in The Finals and DID NOT have an All-NBA type at the 4 or 5.

Further back than 92, you have:

Kareem and the Lakers in The Finals in 80, 82, 83, 84, 85, 87, 88, and 89.
Moses Malone and the Rockets in 81 and the Twin Towers in 86.

Only in 90 (Blazers) and 91 (Lakers) can you say they didn't have an All-NBA type player at the 4 or 5.

When only 3 teams in the last 28 years have won the West without an All-Star at the 4 or 5, it makes you think Dallas better keep Dirk.

Point, set & match. Regardless of the frustration we have with the early exit & Dirk's performance, we would all be best served to take a deep breath and not make a less than rational judgement or decision. Dallas is closer to a title with Dirk than it ever has been or will be. They have a very good lineup that was exposed as not having alot of teeth in it. The aggressive pursuit of roster upgrades for players filling the 3rd - 12th spots is what will put this team over the top. You keep Dirk and continue to build, learn & compete. This seasons 1st round exit was an anomaly. With Kobe in Dallas, just as it has been in LA, it is a certainty, if you even qualify.

[TheBigPeach]

Point, set & match. Regardless of the frustration we have with the early exit & Dirk's performance, we would all be best served to take a deep breath and not make a less than rational judgement or decision. Dallas is closer to a title with Dirk than it ever has been or will be. They have a very good lineup that was exposed as not having alot of teeth in it. The aggressive pursuit of roster upgrades for players filling the 3rd - 12th spots is what will put this team over the top. You keep Dirk and continue to build, learn & compete. This seasons 1st round exit was an anomaly. With Kobe in Dallas, just as it has been in LA, it is a certainty, if you even qualify.

Doesnt that Fade away jumper make you want to go crazy when it looks like hes just throwing it up? :p

[PaulinPlano]

As good as Kobe is and even despite the potential of a 1 for 1 swap and getting Kobe a better supporting cast in Dallas, I'm reminded of this fact of life in the West:

06 Dirk and Dallas in The Finals.
05 TD and the Spurs won it all.
04 Shaq and LA in The Finals.
03 TD and SA won it.
02 Shaq and LA won it.
01 Shaq and LA won it.
00 Shaq and LA won it.
99 TD and SA won it.
98 Malone played in The Finals.
97 Malone played in The Finals.
96 Kemp played in the Finals.
95 Hakeem won it.
94 Hakeem won it.
93 Barkley played in The Finals.

92 Portland played in The Finals and DID NOT have an All-NBA type at the 4 or 5.

Further back than 92, you have:

Kareem and the Lakers in The Finals in 80, 82, 83, 84, 85, 87, 88, and 89.
Moses Malone and the Rockets in 81 and the Twin Towers in 86.

Only in 90 (Blazers) and 91 (Lakers) can you say they didn't have an All-NBA type player at the 4 or 5.

When only 3 teams in the last 28 years have won the West without an All-Star at the 4 or 5, it makes you think Dallas better keep Dirk.

That sounds good in theory... but Dirk does not play like PF offensivley and is not the best defender.

But I still would not make the trade. Kobe is only 28, but his body has a ton of mileage and Dallas still does not have the 4 or 5 they need and if they get Kobe, they have nothing left to get a great 4 or 5.

[slorch]

Trade "My Little Pony" for a guy that's full of Bologna?:eek: :confused:

[jtk1519]

I wouldn't wish Kobe on my worst enemy.

[GoOwls]

I wouldn't wish Kobe on my worst enemy.

Kobe....the Mega-Cancer.

[PaulinPlano]

Trade "My Little Pony" for a guy that's full of Bologna?:eek: :confused:

I wouldn't wish Kobe on my worst enemy.

Kobe....the Mega-Cancer.

You guys are correct. I would not want that thug on my team. Remember Colorado and they way he bought his way out of that debacle.

[TrojanHorse03]

Hahahahaha once again I just HAVE to educate this board about NBA basketball. Only Svhorns had a post where he knows what he's talking about. For starters this scenario shouldn't even be discussed since Kobe would never lower himself to playing for a snakebitten town with such a low NBA IQ. And trust me any town that believed/believes they could win a 'ship with Dirk as the main man, Cuban being Cuban, sniffs its nose at Dirk for Shaq or Kobe trades straight up, let's Steve Nash play in the West, and a team of mentally weak streak shooters they qualify as slow if not crazy. What's the POINT of keeping a big who lives on the perimeter instead of the paint anyways?! And where were the ballhogs as the 67 win team kept getting run off the floor by a 42 win team? Considering Josh Howard scores his most points in the 1st quarter, Jet is known to disappear, this team has needed a true CLOSER like Kobe who leads the league in 4TH QTR scoring.

[PaulinPlano]

Hahahahaha once again I just HAVE to educate this board about NBA basketball. Only Svhorns had a post where he knows what he's talking about. For starters this scenario shouldn't even be discussed since Kobe would never lower himself to playing for a snakebitten town with such a low NBA IQ. And trust me any town that believed/believes they could win a 'ship with Dirk as the main man, Cuban being Cuban, sniffs its nose at Dirk for Shaq or Kobe trades straight up, let's Steve Nash play in the West, and a team of mentally weak streak shooters they qualify as slow if not crazy. What's the POINT of keeping a big who lives on the perimeter instead of the paint anyways?! And where were the ballhogs as the 67 win team kept getting run off the floor by a 42 win team? Considering Josh Howard scores his most points in the 1st quarter, Jet is known to disappear, this team has needed a true CLOSER like Kobe who leads the league in 4TH QTR scoring.

You may be talking about having to educate me, as I would not claim to be an NBA expert. But I wonder what qualifies you to "educate this board?" There are probably several posters on this board that may know more about the NBA. You also did not make any real prognostications on what you think will happen on this thread though you comments were a little difficult to understand at first. Anyone can be a historian. I think most know that Kobe has what it take between the ears in crunch time.:rolleyes:

[TrojanHorse03]

And let me remind you what's kept the Mavs from a ring having no one to put on the league's best guards and not being able to get to the line in the clutch. While their ARE other weakspots Kobe can fix those 2. While you would be right if you say Kobe's no Bruce Bowen he the level right below defenders. Plus he'll tire out those guards who seem to have boundless energy against the Mavs on the offensive end. As for the free throws it would certainly helped to have the guy who only finished behind Dwayne Wade in attempts! What you would still need is for Dampier/Diop and maybe a 3rd quality big to collectively contribute at LEAST as much in the middle as Ben Wallace in '04, but you still would be putting the best player on the deepest and most versatile team and provide a fresh start for both.

[PaulinPlano]

And let me remind you what's kept the Mavs from a ring having no one to put on the league's best guards and not being able to get to the line in the clutch. While their ARE other weakspots Kobe can fix those 2. While you would be right if you say Kobe's no Bruce Bowen he the level right below defenders. Plus he'll tire out those guards who seem to have boundless energy against the Mavs on the offensive end. As for the free throws it would certainly helped to have the guy who only finished behind Dwayne Wade in attempts! What you would still need is for Dampier/Diop and maybe a 3rd quality big to collectively contribute at LEAST as much in the middle as Ben Wallace in '04, but you still would be putting the best player on the deepest and most versatile team and provide a fresh start for both.

Very true, the Mavericks are not going anywhere without someone in the post who can score and keep the defense honest. A defensive 4 or 5 is not enough and that is all they have right now beside an occasional basket from Damp.

[SLC93]

Hahahahaha once again I just HAVE to educate this board about NBA basketball. Only Svhorns had a post where he knows what he's talking about. For starters this scenario shouldn't even be discussed since Kobe would never lower himself to playing for a snakebitten town with such a low NBA IQ. And trust me any town that believed/believes they could win a 'ship with Dirk as the main man, Cuban being Cuban, sniffs its nose at Dirk for Shaq or Kobe trades straight up, let's Steve Nash play in the West, and a team of mentally weak streak shooters they qualify as slow if not crazy. What's the POINT of keeping a big who lives on the perimeter instead of the paint anyways?! And where were the ballhogs as the 67 win team kept getting run off the floor by a 42 win team? Considering Josh Howard scores his most points in the 1st quarter, Jet is known to disappear, this team has needed a true CLOSER like Kobe who leads the league in 4TH QTR scoring.

Spare us all your imagined superiority with regards to this particular NBA topic. You've made no original points of your own in either of your posts. Everything you wrote was either a point of public knowledge or a opinion skewed to better serve your purpose. A trade of these superstars, one for one, never happens because it doesn't improve either team. In the case of the Mavericks with their current roster, they actually fall down several notches. You cannot gloss over the issue of the 4 & 5 spot, as the author of the article did originally, without admitting some level of retardation. If Dallas already has issues there with Dirk, explain how removing him with no apparent replacement & inserting a shooting guard helps? Duncan/Stoudemire/Boozer/Garnett/ ring a bell? At the very least the Lakers would rid themselves of one of the most self absorbed, petulant players in the league. No one denies Bryant's enormous talent & drive but remind me again exactly what he's accomplished without a certain Hall of Fame center on his side? Nothing. Bash Dallas all you want, Dirk too for that matter. After these playoffs God knows they deserve it. Just remember that if they are really as flawed as you say they are & Bryant is the God you believe him to be, that leaves you answering how it is that they've turned in better results than the Lakers for five years running. Compare owners? Sure Buss is doing a bang up job running his franchise into the ground in the last five years. Say whatever you like about Cuban, he has a few of is own issues, but poll players for who they'd rather play for a drunken bafoon or an owner that spares no expense and is really only guilty of having too much passion? Good luck with that. Lastly, spare me with the Nash crap. Not one person on this planet could have predicted him blowing up like he has, as there we no indicators of it being in him. Let's not forget, as much as we all love him, Nash has delivered even less that Dirk for his franchise. That would be zero titles & zero finals. Try again brother, you lose.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I know this is about Dirk and Kobe, but I saw Nash's name come up.

Nash is a great player, but, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Dallas get better after Nash left?

One more question, how many rings has Nash won in Phoenix?

[TexasRed6x]

I know this is about Dirk and Kobe, but I saw Nash's name come up.

Nash is a great player, but, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Dallas get better after Nash left?

One more question, how many rings has Nash won in Phoenix?

Umm....NONE!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Umm....NONE!

Case closed on that subject!

[TexasRed6x]

Case closed on that subject!

Yup. He probably won't win one in that offense. Granted it scores over 100 points per game but if you don't have any defense on your team you aren't going to be a championship contender. Defense wins championships.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Yup. He probably won't win one in that offense. Granted it scores over 100 points per game but if you don't have any defense on your team you aren't going to be a championship contender. Defense wins championships.

You have spoken the truth! I've been trying to get that thru the heads of my friends who just happen to be Phoenix Suns d*** riders. That's okay though! After the Spurs beat them in 6, they all had to pay me $100 dollars a piece (there is 6 of them):eek: . I got paid!

[SLC93]

I know this is about Dirk and Kobe, but I saw Nash's name come up.

Nash is a great player, but, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Dallas get better after Nash left?

One more question, how many rings has Nash won in Phoenix?

Finally, a fellow speaker of the truth!:D

[TrojanHorse03]

LOL :) I really didn't think people would take the educating stuff seriously because it wasn't meant that way.Yeah the Mavs have more wins than the Lakers recently, made all the more dissappointing by the 0-fer in the all important rings department.And how does that makde Cubes look as owner that a DRUNK could find his way to THREE rings just by knowing you do anything possible to get a Shaq or Kobe on your team.However I agree with you a thousand percent those were Shaq's rings.But you know what its better to be option 1B on a championship team than the captain of a ship with a hole in the middle.Now if you read my post instead of just the 1st line, maybe 2 I didn't say Kobe was PERFECT, GOD, or would even fix all their problems. IN FACT I said they they'd need other guys to step up and will also need to swap out a few parts. My point when the big german doesn't play BIG in any sense of the word why would anybody sniffle theirnoseat a straight up for Kobe and WOULD beatteams like the Heat andWarriors.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I understand that Dirk didn't show up against Golden State. But, I think alot of the reasons why Dirk played horribly was because of the way that Golden State defended him, IMO!

[TrojanHorse03]

I forgot about the Nash part go back and READ my posts right now. I NEVER said the Mavs would be better with Nash or endorse an inconsistant defensive unit like Pheonix. I did submit Dallas allowing Nash to strengthen a WESTERN confrence foe in to a body of evidence of flaws in strategy to win a championship. Im glad someone mentioned defense because the last TWO ELIMINATIONS they couldn't stop guards from having their way. How is Dirk and the roster as is and maybe w/o Stackhouse gonna slow down which ever guard decides to eat their lunch again next year. Kobe's not Bruce Bowen but he could at least slow down and tire a top level guard. Then you only have to worry about having enough in the frontcourt to take on Timmy and Co., which is reseanable. You would also get a much needed fresh buzz but also a much needed FIRE AND a closer.

[TexasRed6x]

You have spoken the truth! I've been trying to get that thru the heads of my friends who just happen to be Phoenix Suns d*** riders. That's okay though! After the Spurs beat them in 6, they all had to pay me $100 dollars a piece (there is 6 of them):eek: . I got paid!

Hey you got some heavy money off those losers. I guess they will never understand why Phoenix won't win the big one.

[t-long20]

I dont like Kobe at all... but Im pretty sure hes been ALL NBA defensive team for several years straight...

yea its the same dude who helped kick shaq out of LA, Kobe is a great player on the court but with his "me" first attitude i really dont see him going anywhere and im pretty sure those defensive award were before shaq and everyone else left

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Hey you got some heavy money off those losers. I guess they will never understand why Phoenix won't win the big one.

Their arguments are always;

"Nash and Stoudemire on the pick and roll are unstoppable!"

or;

"Phoenix's offense is too much for the Spurs to handle, and the Spurs are too old!"

I said it before the season even started, that if the Mavs didn't win the title this year, the Spurs would win it. But, yet, everybody thought I was insane for not picking the Suns, or the Heat (LMAO!).

[SLC93]

LOL :) I really didn't think people would take the educating stuff seriously because it wasn't meant that way.Yeah the Mavs have more wins than the Lakers recently, made all the more dissappointing by the 0-fer in the all important rings department.And how does that makde Cubes look as owner that a DRUNK could find his way to THREE rings just by knowing you do anything possible to get a Shaq or Kobe on your team.However I agree with you a thousand percent those were Shaq's rings.But you know what its better to be option 1B on a championship team than the captain of a ship with a hole in the middle.Now if you read my post instead of just the 1st line, maybe 2 I didn't say Kobe was PERFECT, GOD, or would even fix all their problems. IN FACT I said they they'd need other guys to step up and will also need to swap out a few parts. My point when the big german doesn't play BIG in any sense of the word why would anybody sniffle theirnoseat a straight up for Kobe and WOULD beatteams like the Heat andWarriors.

It's all good man. In response to the owner thing, Cuban would have been smart enough to keep the big fella around and get 6 or 7 titles out of that tandem. I think Buss started drinking as soon as he realized what he'd done by trading the Diesel.;) I'm not turning my nose at Kobe, specifically. It's the way he fits into the Dallas lineup and knowing what money the Mavs have to spend in free agency to make the changes you're refering to. It's always fun to speculate but, for alot of reasons, this would not help the Mavs right away. You're correct about the killer instinct. Kobe will take the tough shots.

[SLC93]

I forgot about the Nash part go back and READ my posts right now. I NEVER said the Mavs would be better with Nash or endorse an inconsistant defensive unit like Pheonix. I did submit Dallas allowing Nash to strengthen a WESTERN confrence foe in to a body of evidence of flaws in strategy to win a championship. Im glad someone mentioned defense because the last TWO ELIMINATIONS they couldn't stop guards from having their way. How is Dirk and the roster as is and maybe w/o Stackhouse gonna slow down which ever guard decides to eat their lunch again next year. Kobe's not Bruce Bowen but he could at least slow down and tire a top level guard. Then you only have to worry about having enough in the frontcourt to take on Timmy and Co., which is reseanable. You would also get a much needed fresh buzz but also a much needed FIRE AND a closer.

Thing is Nash was a free agent. The only control they possibly could have had was a sign & trade but the interest wasn't what you would have imagined it to be. I understand your take on the guard issue but history has a way of clouding the facts. Wade played lights out but he wasn't the reason the Heat won that series. Credit the Heat gameplan & team defense for contributing to the Mavs falling apart offensively. As far as GS goes, some flaws were exposed that need to be dealt with. How far did they get again? Exactly, 2nd round. Point is you keep your roster in a position to beat the best. No one builds a team to get by Golden State. Why would you? How much in the front court is needed to take on Tim Duncan, only the best player in the current era? That's what I mean about glossing over the work that would need to be done on the frontline & in the low post. You will not win a title with solely a perimeter game, period. It's entertaining and you can win some games, maybe catch fire and score a big upset, but look whose in the conference and league finals every year. Not GS and not Kobe since Shaq headed for South Beach.

[TrojanHorse03]

For starters Dwayne Wade wasn't the reason the Heat won the Finals?....I'm just gonna let that one marinate a little bit. As for this "magical" gameplan you claim to see,lol, I'm sorry but it was nothing more than Haslem/Posey one on one on Dirk and let D-Wade take over like a superstar should. Gloss over the facts? You don't seem to READ them. I said SEVERAL times Kobe doesn't fix all their problems, SPECIFICALLY I said the were gonna need more contributions from Damp/Diop, another Big, and maybe still swap out a part. Now let me read you the facts buddy last year the Mavericks ELIMINATED the Spurs and were 3-1 against them this year, I wonder why that is maybe because Avery and co already built this team to beat the Spurs. Fastforward to the present the Mavs have lost 8 of their last 12 PLAYOFF games(none to the Spurs) and have lost 8 of the last 10 vs the Warriors(no road wins). In fact the Mavericks have lost to nothing but perimeter teams since wayback in 2003 the last time the Spurs did it.

[TrojanHorse03]

Not that it matters because Dirk avoids guarding Duncan anyways. Damp and Diop would still have to do that anyways and would have someone to stick on Parker and Manu. Seeing as the Mavs have been eliminated in order by GS, Miami, PHX, and Sacramento also known as PERIMETER TEAMS tell me what it is so irrepplaceable about Dirk especially considering they need a 3rd quality Big WITH him.

[SLC93]

For starters Dwayne Wade wasn't the reason the Heat won the Finals?....I'm just gonna let that one marinate a little bit. As for this "magical" gameplan you claim to see,lol, I'm sorry but it was nothing more than Haslem/Posey one on one on Dirk and let D-Wade take over like a superstar should. Gloss over the facts? You don't seem to READ them. I said SEVERAL times Kobe doesn't fix all their problems, SPECIFICALLY I said the were gonna need more contributions from Damp/Diop, another Big, and maybe still swap out a part. Now let me read you the facts buddy last year the Mavericks ELIMINATED the Spurs and were 3-1 against them this year, I wonder why that is maybe because Avery and co already built this team to beat the Spurs. Fastforward to the present the Mavs have lost 8 of their last 12 PLAYOFF games(none to the Spurs) and have lost 8 of the last 10 vs the Warriors(no road wins). In fact the Mavericks have lost to nothing but perimeter teams since wayback in 2003 the last time the Spurs did it.

No need to think about something I know. Tell me again why you build a team to stop a franchise that makes the playoffs about once a decade, has lost their gm, will lose several of their players this offseason & may not have their hc back? Please.

[SLC93]

Not that it matters because Dirk avoids guarding Duncan anyways. Damp and Diop would still have to do that anyways and would have someone to stick on Parker and Manu. Seeing as the Mavs have been eliminated in order by GS, Miami, PHX, and Sacramento also known as PERIMETER TEAMS tell me what it is so irrepplaceable about Dirk especially considering they need a 3rd quality Big WITH him.

Enough already. GS is a perimeter team, that's it.

Miami - O'neal, Mourning & Haslem
PHX - No threat what so ever without Stoudemire, Marion is king of the midrange & junk
Sacramento - Divac & Webber

Do not confuse uptempo with perimeter, there's a huge difference.

[TheBigPeach]

I understand that Dirk didn't show up against Golden State. But, I think alot of the reasons why Dirk played horribly was because of the way that Golden State defended him, IMO!

What the Mavs needed to do IMO was, since they played Golden State the last game of the year was to freaking pound Golden States brains in, by the Mavs benching all their starters they gave the Warriors a game to win and build confidence. GS probably thought they were on the top of the world after that win by 20, and nobody was going to knock them off....besides Utah:D

[SLC93]

What the Mavs needed to do IMO was, since they played Golden State the last game of the year was to freaking pound Golden States brains in, by the Mavs benching all their starters they gave the Warriors a game to win and build confidence. GS probably thought they were on the top of the world after that win by 20, and nobody was going to knock them off....besides Utah:D

An excellent point and you also would have given the Clippers the upper hand for that final spot. They would have been less likely to lay an egg the final night of the season if they knew they had 100% control of their destiny.:rolleyes: :cool:

[TexasRed6x]

Their arguments are always;

"Nash and Stoudemire on the pick and roll are unstoppable!"

or;

"Phoenix's offense is too much for the Spurs to handle, and the Spurs are too old!"
I said it before the season even started, that if the Mavs didn't win the title this year, the Spurs would win it. But, yet, everybody thought I was insane for not picking the Suns, or the Heat (LMAO!).

Yeah uh huh and who's sitting at home right now? and who's in the finals?

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I forgot about the Nash part go back and READ my posts right now. I NEVER said the Mavs would be better with Nash or endorse an inconsistant defensive unit like Pheonix. I did submit Dallas allowing Nash to strengthen a WESTERN confrence foe in to a body of evidence of flaws in strategy to win a championship. Im glad someone mentioned defense because the last TWO ELIMINATIONS they couldn't stop guards from having their way. How is Dirk and the roster as is and maybe w/o Stackhouse gonna slow down which ever guard decides to eat their lunch again next year. Kobe's not Bruce Bowen but he could at least slow down and tire a top level guard. Then you only have to worry about having enough in the frontcourt to take on Timmy and Co., which is reseanable. You would also get a much needed fresh buzz but also a much needed FIRE AND a closer.

My fault, I gotcha! I got some homeboys that are Phoenix bandwagonners and I try to explain that to them all the time. Well, I'm kinda hoping that we can get Jermaine O'Neal down here without losing Dirk.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Yeah uh huh and who's sitting at home right now? and who's in the finals?

Oh, I've been letting them have it about that too!

[TexasRed6x]

Oh, I've been letting them have it about that too!

I am sure they can't take that anymore. Just wait Matthew. When we (Spurs) have the rings on our finger and the trophy in our possession, they will wish they had stuck with the Spurs throughout the playoffs instead of the Suns.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I am sure they can't take that anymore. Just wait Matthew. When we (Spurs) have the rings on our finger and the trophy in our possession, they will wish they had stuck with the Spurs throughout the playoffs instead of the Suns.

Nope! They'll call the Spurs a fluke like they've done the other 3 times they won the whole thing.:puke

[TexasRed6x]

Nope! They'll call the Spurs a fluke like they've done the other 3 times they won the whole thing.:puke

Yeah they just don't appreciate the better team. They knew that the Spurs were the better team in the Spurs/Suns series but I guess they were just too afraid to admit it.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Yeah they just don't appreciate the better team. They knew that the Spurs were the better team in the Spurs/Suns series but I guess they were just too afraid to admit it.

They claim that the Spurs are a boring team.

If being a boring team helps you win 3 of the last 5, soon to be 4 titles, then I'd love to be on that team.

[TexasRed6x]

They claim that the Spurs are a boring team.

If being a boring team helps you win 3 of the last 5, soon to be 4 titles, then I'd love to be on that team.

We are not a boring team. We are just defensive style team that can run an up-tempo game if needed. Why do they think we are boring?

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

We are not a boring team. We are just defensive style team that can run an up-tempo game if needed. Why do they think we are boring?

Well, they're hooked on the Suns and Warriors streetball and instant offense. They haven't grasped the concept that "offense wins games, but defense wins championships". Oh well, they can keep bowing down to the Suns, and I'll keep collecting portions of their paychecks.

[TexasRed6x]

Well, they're hooked on the Suns and Warriors streetball and instant offense. They haven't grasped the concept that "offense wins games, but defense wins championships". Oh well, they can keep bowing down to the Suns, and I'll keep collecting portions of their paychecks.

Sounds like a good plan. They will be in debt soon.

[SLC93]

Nope! They'll call the Spurs a fluke like they've done the other 3 times they won the whole thing.:puke

:eek: :D :D ;)

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Sounds like a good plan. They will be in debt soon.

Oh, that's a definite!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

:eek: :D :D ;)

Bro, they're insane! Oh well, I won't argue with them, I'll just keep making the bets.

[TexasRed6x]

Bro, they're insane! Oh well, I won't argue with them, I'll just keep making the bets.

Yeah and those bets will make you a moneymaker big time.

[PaulinPlano]

They claim that the Spurs are a boring team.

If being a boring team helps you win 3 of the last 5, soon to be 4 titles, then I'd love to be on that team.

We are not a boring team. We are just defensive style team that can run an up-tempo game if needed. Why do they think we are boring?

Well, they're hooked on the Suns and Warriors streetball and instant offense. They haven't grasped the concept that "offense wins games, but defense wins championships". Oh well, they can keep bowing down to the Suns, and I'll keep collecting portions of their paychecks.

Duncan's game in the post, spinning in or out or a jump hook over the top... shots off the glass (those are a real thing of beauty)... Parker slicing through defenses, Ginobili popping threes or blowing right by you and dropping one HIGH off the glass... Finley hitting 3 pointers from all over, Bowen from the corner... defense that suffocates... They are all things of great beauty.

But this is suppose to be a Dirk / Kobe thread...:p

[AE 8008]

we need to keep dirk

we cant afford losing this one
http://www.shamsports.com/images/wives/dirkrenee.jpg

[svhorns]

we need to keep dirk

we cant afford losing this one
http://www.shamsports.com/images/wives/dirkrenee.jpg

hahahah nice you saw that site... but Kobe has a Dime piece also

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Duncan's game in the post, spinning in or out or a jump hook over the top... shots off the glass (those are a real thing of beauty)... Parker slicing through defenses, Ginobili popping threes or blowing right by you and dropping one HIGH off the glass... Finley hitting 3 pointers from all over, Bowen from the corner... defense that suffocates... They are all things of great beauty.

But this is suppose to be a Dirk / Kobe thread...:p

Even though I'm a die-hard Mavs fan for life, I enjoy watching the Spurs play. They don't do anything fancy, they just play ball, and win.

Tim Duncan? UNSTOPPABLE! You know what he's going to do before he does it, but, you still can't stop him.

Tony Parker is still underrated, and not getting the props he deserves.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

we need to keep dirk

we cant afford losing this one
http://www.shamsports.com/images/wives/dirkrenee.jpg

It appears that Dirk has game in other areas also!:D