Northwestern update

[cajun]

Looks like Northwestern is getting ready....From the Miami Herald...Spring game last night....

Just FYI;

HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL
New look, same outcome for Bulls
Defending champ Northwestern picked up where it left off in its spring game with a rout of Glades Central.
BY ANDRE C. FERNANDEZ
a1fernandez@MiamiHerald.com
Northwestern assistant coach Luther Dollar brought a replica professional wrestling championship belt to Saturday's spring football game.

The Bulls players brought the talent that made them state champions six months ago.

Defending Class 6A state champion Northwestern reminded the 6,000 fans at Traz Powell Stadium why it was widely considered the top football team in the state of Florida last season by handling defending Class 3A champion Belle Glade Glades Central 42-21.

And with the solid performances its several highly touted soon-to-be seniors and rising underclassmen delivered, Northwestern showed why it is getting consideration as one of the best teams in the country.

''We have the players across the board, but we really wanted to test ourselves against a very good football team and see how good we can be,'' Northwestern coach Roland Smith said.

The Bulls, who are expected to start next season ranked as high as No. 2 in the nation, picked up right where they left off on offense. Northwestern amassed 412 total yards, including 236 from its prolific passing game.

Northwestern, which loses its star running back, Antwain Easterling, to graduation, is trying out a handful of backs at the position.

Tyresse Jones, a junior next season, put in a strong bid Saturday night, rushing for 125 yards on 15 carries and scoring two touchdowns, including a 61-yard romp. Jones, Daquan Hargrett and Corvin Lamb are expected to compete for playing time.

''It's a three-headed monster back there,'' Smith said. ``All the running backs have to keep working hard with each practice.''

Quarterback Jacory Harris, who set county single-season records for passing yards and touchdown passes last season, completed 14 of 23 attempts for 236 yards and a touchdown. He also ran for a 1-yard score.

Aldarius Johnson had a game-high 100 yards on six catches, and Tommy Streeter caught five passes for 89 yards and a TD.

Although Northwestern's defense, which posted seven shutouts last season, gave up 253 total yards, it had several key stops that kept the game out of reach.

The unit was still missing a couple of players, including highly rated college prospect Benjamin Jones, a 6-6, 270-pound defensive end who sat out because of injury.

But some of the new starters delivered big.

Linebacker Anthony Jackson had two sacks on one drive. The first was the most vicious hit of the night, which knocked Glades Central quarterback Kentavious McCoy out of the game. The second, two plays later, forced a fumble that defensive end Marcus Forston picked up and ran back 52 yards for a touchdown.

Forston, who has offers from UM, UF, FSU, Alabama, LSU, USC and Notre Dame, is rated among Scout.com's Top 100 national recruits.

[Texasfrog]

Ya, we posted it earlier on the Texas Football thread.

I do think it's a little funny that MNW starting defense gave up over 200 yards of offense and at least 14 pts to Glades. When Glades is breaking in a new QB, RB, Wr, Wr and half of a new O-line.

I wonder what a well seasoned SLC team that returns a QB, RB, WR, WR, and most of their O-line can do ? Especially since most of them on SLC offense are (D-1A) caliber athletes.

Something tells me they can put up more than 14 pts and 200 yards of offense.;)

[RidgePride]

Ya, we posted it earlier on the Texas Football thread.

I do think it's a little funny that MNW starting defense gave up over 200 yards of offense and at least 14 pts to Glades. When Glades is breaking in a new QB, RB, Wr, Wr and half of a new O-line.

I wonder what a well seasoned SLC team that returns a QB, RB, WR, WR, and most of their O-line can do ? Especially since most of them on SLC offense are (D-1A) caliber athletes.

Something tells me they can put up more than 14 pts and 200 yards of offense.;)

I wonder how a new SLC defense is going to handle a seasoned MNW Offense.

SLC at least has homefield advantage and MNW has never seen a team like SLC.

I don't know how many teams in Florida run a no huddle Offense.

[Robber89]

It will be who can stop who the most. Both offenses are good. Northwestern will not come close to stopping SLC. Northwestern haven't seen anything like what SLC will throw at them. SLC will make them look silly. If these kids are anything like the Year of the Bull video, SLC will make Northwestern return home with their tails tucked.

[cajun]

Ya, we posted it earlier on the Texas Football thread.

I do think it's a little funny that MNW starting defense gave up over 200 yards of offense and at least 14 pts to Glades. When Glades is breaking in a new QB, RB, Wr, Wr and half of a new O-line.

I wonder what a well seasoned SLC team that returns a QB, RB, WR, WR, and most of their O-line can do ? Especially since most of them on SLC offense are (D-1A) caliber athletes.

Something tells me they can put up more than 14 pts and 200 yards of offense.;)

My bad-that's me, always late.....

Well, my take is Northwestern is gonna try and knock Dodge(QB) out of the game by the second quarter....They probably come right at him with all kind of different blitz packages just to take that one "shot"....They will probably come with alot of crazy stuff-they may blitz the farm 15 plays in a roll.....That's their style....They may blitz players who ain't even the game....Better have someone count! (lol)

[Texasfrog]

My bad-that's me, always late.....

Well, my take is Northwestern is gonna try and knock Dodge(QB) out of the game by the second quarter....They probably come right at him with all kind of different blitz packages just to take that one "shot"....They will probably come with alot of crazy stuff-they may blitz the farm 15 plays in a roll.....That's their style....They may blitz players who ain't even the game....Better have someone count! (lol)

Well, I dont want to get into the whole "cheap shot" conversation. Buttttt, if I was to bet money on a certain team that might try it.... Hmmm, you can bet who I would say.;)

[Texasfrog]

I wonder how a new SLC defense is going to handle a seasoned MNW Offense.

SLC at least has homefield advantage and MNW has never seen a team like SLC.

I don't know how many teams in Florida run a no huddle Offense.

I've seen plenty of games in Florida with their better teams and I've never seen a team that ran an offense or ran the no huddle close to SLC. It will be something that MNW has never seen before. That's why when I see teams like Lake Brantley and even in this scrimmage (Glades) and those teams are scoring pts on this VAUNTED Miami NW defense. Well, I like SLC odds at doing it pretty good and having some high success at it also.

On Defense.. I know that Glades had to replace several defensive players also since like 7 of them signed college ships last year on the defensive side. So, looks like they were breaking in some new blood on defense also.

Like I said earlier.. MNW will score some points. They have to many "athletes" for someone not to make a few plays here and there. But, I dont see them getting more than 28 and my bet right now is about 21.

I do see SLC scoring over 40 pts and SLC offense will control the game and the ball. Basically SLC will play "defense" by using their offense most of the game.

[BDB]

hold on. now MNW played a great florida 3a school, theyre good im not knocking em. what class would that be in texas?? is it equivilent to a 3a or is it more a 2a or 4a?

jus wondering, cuz im pretty sure SLC could handle a celina or a cuero ;)

[ThEgReAtOnE]

hold on. now MNW played a great florida 3a school, theyre good im not knocking em. what class would that be in texas?? is it equivilent to a 3a or is it more a 2a or 4a?

jus wondering, cuz im pretty sure SLC could handle a celina or a cuero ;)

Glades is more like a 4A team... (4A) La Marque or (4A) Waco... MNW is like Lufkin....

MNW played a team rebuilding 7 players on defense and several on offense, including the starting QB, RB, 2 WR's and some O-linemen...

(3A) Glades (on a serious rebuilding year) vs (5A) SLC would've been like (4A) Waco (on a serious rebuilding year) vs (5A) SLC... JMO!

[cajun]

hold on. now MNW played a great florida 3a school, theyre good im not knocking em. what class would that be in texas?? is it equivilent to a 3a or is it more a 2a or 4a?

jus wondering, cuz im pretty sure SLC could handle a celina or a cuero ;)

I'm not sure but, this may give an indication of the "class play"....There are some mighty fine small schools out there and I'm sure some could play with most anyone on given years...Just my observation....

Chaminade-Madonna(Florida 2A District ) played St. Edward(Ohio Division 1) last year in Ohio....St Edward beat some pretty good names last year AND only beat Chaminade 14-7......St Edward was apart of that Ohio vs. The World High School football challenge and crushed Springdale(AR) 49-3....Either Ohio Big Class football is overrated or there are some quality small class teams around the country that can hang with the big boys....


August 26, 2006 12:00 AM Benedictine (Cleveland, OH) ** W 24-7
September 2, 2006 12:00 AM @Shaker Heights (Shaker Heights, OH) W 31-0
September 9, 2006 12:00 AM @St. Xavier (Cincinnati, OH) L 7-10
September 16, 2006 12:00 AM @Springdale (Springdale, AR) W 49-3
September 23, 2006 12:00 AM Chaminade (Hollywood, FL) W 14-7
September 30, 2006 12:00 AM @St. Francis (Athol Springs, NY) W 45-0
October 7, 2006 12:00 AM East Tech (Cleveland, OH) W 44-0
October 14, 2006 12:00 AM @St. Ignatius (Cleveland, OH) ** W 21-13
October 21, 2006 12:00 AM Archbishop Moeller (Cincinnati, OH) W 17-7
October 27, 2006 12:00 AM @Chichester (Boothwyn, PA)
November 4, 2006 12:00 AM Riverside (Painesville, OH) W 41-14
November 11, 2006 12:00 AM @Harding (Warren, OH) L 3-7

[Texasfrog]

I'm not sure but, this may give an indication of the "class play"....There are some mighty fine small schools out there and I'm sure some could play with most anyone on given years...Just my observation....

Chaminade-Madonna(Florida 2A District ) played St. Edward(Ohio Division 1) last year in Ohio....St Edward beat some pretty good names last year AND only beat Chaminade 14-7......St Edward was apart of that Ohio vs. The World High School football challenge and crushed Springdale(AR) 49-3....Either Ohio Big Class football is overrated or there are some quality small class teams around the country that can hang with the big boys....


August 26, 2006 12:00 AM Benedictine (Cleveland, OH) ** W 24-7
September 2, 2006 12:00 AM @Shaker Heights (Shaker Heights, OH) W 31-0
September 9, 2006 12:00 AM @St. Xavier (Cincinnati, OH) L 7-10
September 16, 2006 12:00 AM @Springdale (Springdale, AR) W 49-3
September 23, 2006 12:00 AM Chaminade (Hollywood, FL) W 14-7
September 30, 2006 12:00 AM @St. Francis (Athol Springs, NY) W 45-0
October 7, 2006 12:00 AM East Tech (Cleveland, OH) W 44-0
October 14, 2006 12:00 AM @St. Ignatius (Cleveland, OH) ** W 21-13
October 21, 2006 12:00 AM Archbishop Moeller (Cincinnati, OH) W 17-7
October 27, 2006 12:00 AM @Chichester (Boothwyn, PA)
November 4, 2006 12:00 AM Riverside (Painesville, OH) W 41-14
November 11, 2006 12:00 AM @Harding (Warren, OH) L 3-7

Springdale (Ark) went (6-4) this season. They just didnt have that good a team this year compared to the recent years.

I saw them play Fort Smith Southside (9-4) and Springdale lost to them 42-7. I was at the game in person. Southside owned them. FS Southside also won the Arkansas State Championship this year.

Hollywood-Chaminade (2A) is a Private school much like Evangel & Curtis. They have access to a lot of talent in the fort Lauderdale, Fl area and they have some of the best coaching in all of Florida. I lived about 10 minutes from Chaminade and I would see them practice everynow and then and they ran a freaking major D-1A College practice session. They also send about 4 to 5 kids every year into D-1A football. I would say most years they are a legit Top #10 Florida team no matter what class.

[Texasfrog]

Glades is more like a 4A team... (4A) La Marque or (4A) Waco... MNW is like Lufkin....

MNW played a team rebuilding 7 players on defense and several on offense, including the starting QB, RB, 2 WR's and some O-linemen...

(3A) Glades (on a serious rebuilding year) vs (5A) SLC would've been like (4A) Waco (on a serious rebuilding year) vs (5A) SLC... JMO!

Probably a pretty fair assumption. Glades = Lamarque, Waco and Copperas Cove caliber teams most years.

But, they still played this scrimmage against MNW with a new QB, RB, Wr, Wr and several new O-lineman and still got about 250 yards of offense and 14 pts against MNW starting defense.

So, I dont think SLC seasoned offense machine will find many hic-cups going up against this vaunted MNW defense. Something tells me they will be able to move the ball and score some pts.

Ps. Glades was also replacing several defensive players. I think their entire secondary went D-1A last year.

Glades:

DB- D. Berry , Univ-Miami
DB- C. Cross , FAU
DB- J. Dixon , Auburn

Ps. Those kids were playing in the Glades secondary that Brynes, SC roasted for several tds passes.

[cajun]

Springdale (Ark) went (6-4) this season. They just didnt have that good a team this year compared to the recent years.

I saw them play Fort Smith Southside (9-4) and Springdale lost to them 42-7. I was at the game in person. Southside owned them. FS Southside also won the Arkansas State Championship this year.

Hollywood-Chaminade (2A) is a Private school much like Evangel & Curtis. They have access to a lot of talent in the fort Lauderdale, Fl area and they have some of the best coaching in all of Florida. I lived about 10 minutes from Chaminade and I would see them practice everynow and then and they ran a freaking major D-1A College practice session. They also send about 4 to 5 kids every year into D-1A football. I would say most years they are a legit Top #10 Florida team no matter what class.

Yeah, that's true.....I didn't realize though they had it like that...Pretty impressive....You hardly never hear them mentioned on the national level, at least I haven't....I knew they were there but, that's about it...

[Texasfrog]

Yeah, that's true.....I didn't realize though they had it like that...Pretty impressive....You hardly never hear them mentioned on the national level, at least I haven't....I knew they were there but, that's about it...

I'm not real big on "mythical national" High School polls. But a few years ago Hollywood-Chaminade was ranked pretty high. I know they were in the Top #25.

In fact a couple of years ago when they played Tyler Lee, Tx and lost to them. They started that year ranked on several National Polls. They also went on to win the Florida 2A Title that year.

There only losses that year were to Tyler Lee, Tx and BT Washington, fl.

Texas High (4A) beat Findlay, Ohio = 44 - 21.
*Its kind of deceaving score because Texas High could of beaten them like 70-14 of they didnt call the dogs off in the middle of the 3rd Qt.

I only say that because Findlay lost to Upper Arlington, Oh = 17-0
* I think it's safe to say Texas High would of owned Upper Arlington, Ohio also.

Upper Arlington lost to the Ohio State Champs (Davidison) twice 19-0 & 17-0.

I would say that Texas High (4A) and Davidison (Ohio State Champs) would of probably been a good game.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I'm not real big on "mythical national" High School polls. But a few years ago Hollywood-Chaminade was ranked pretty high. I know they were in the Top #25.

In fact a couple of years ago when they played Tyler Lee, Tx and lost to them. They started that year ranked on several National Polls. They also went on to win the Florida 2A Title that year.

There only losses that year were to Tyler Lee, Tx and BT Washington, fl.

Texas High (4A) beat Findlay, Ohio = 44 - 21.
*Its kind of deceaving score because Texas High could of beaten them like 70-14 of they didnt call the dogs off in the middle of the 3rd Qt.

I only say that because Findlay lost to Upper Arlington, Oh = 17-0
* I think it's safe to say Texas High would of owned Upper Arlington, Ohio also.

Upper Arlington lost to the Ohio State Champs (Davidison) twice 19-0 & 17-0.

I would say that Texas High (4A) and Davidison (Ohio State Champs) would of probably been a good game.

And to think... Texas High didn't even win State.

[RidgePride]

And to think... Texas High didn't even win State.

The team Texas High lost to in the playoffs did not win state either.

[Texasfrog]

The team Texas High lost to in the playoffs did not win state either.

That freaking Alamo Height took everyone by surprise last year. I think their QB & Wr are going to be great for Coach Dodge at North Tx also.;)

[ThEgReAtOnE]

That freaking Alamo Height took everyone by surprise last year. I think their QB & Wr are going to be great for Coach Dodge at North Tx also.;)

Yup.

[Texasfrog]

And to think... Texas High didn't even win State.

Ya, here is the funny thing about all of that. I go to Yappi's on a Blue Moon ( twice month) to see what the Ohio folks are talking about.

Anyway, after the Ohio vs the World football classic.:rolleyes: I read a few of the more reasonable Ohio folks comparing Byrnes, Sc very close to Texas High and saying that would of been a pretty good game if they played.

So, let say the neutral Ohio folks (because this was SC and Tx) were right on what they were saying. Brynes and Texas High were very even.

Well, Brynes, Sc last year beat Glades, Fl = 27-15 in a game that really should of been worse. Brynes had like 4 unforced turnovers in that game are the score would of been more like 40-15 against Glades, Fl.

So, I think it's very very safe to say that Texas (4A teams) like Texas High, Waco, Cop. Cove, Lamarque, Alamo Heights and few others could of played with Glades Central and Brynes, SC and done very well.

So, what do you think the Texas power 5A's would of done?

PS. And that was a Glades Central team loaded with (D-1A) talent.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Ya, here is the funny thing about all of that. I go to Yappi's on a Blue Moon ( twice month) to see what the Ohio folks are talking about.

Anyway, after the Ohio vs the World football classic.:rolleyes: I read a few of the more reasonable Ohio folks comparing Byrnes, Sc very close to Texas High and saying that would of been a pretty good game if they played.

So, let say the neutral Ohio folks (because this was SC and Tx) were right on what they were saying. Brynes and Texas High were very even.

Well, Brynes, Sc last year beat Glades, Fl = 27-15 in a game that really should of been worse. Brynes had like 4 unforced turnovers in that game are the score would of been more like 40-15 against Glades, Fl.

So, I think it's very very safe to say that Texas (4A teams) like Texas High, Waco, Cop. Cove, Lamarque, Alamo Heights and few others could of played with Glades Central and Brynes, SC and done very well.

So, what do you think the Texas power 5A's would of done?

PS. And that was a Glades Central team loaded with (D-1A) talent.


I hear yeah, man. We'll see. It's only June....:mad: :D

[cajun]

"So, I think it's very very safe to say that Texas (4A teams) like Texas High, Waco, Cop. Cove, Lamarque, Alamo Heights and few others could of played with Glades Central and Brynes, SC and done very well."


Oh yeah, for sure.....

Evangel Christian played Byrnes High School in 2002 in Louisiana and beat them by 11...Byrnes then goes 14-1 on the way to the 4A title in South Carolina...Their first of several in a roll...Evangel loses to Longview by three that year which is Evangel's only loss and Evangel goes on to win the state again beating West Monroe....Longview appears to be able to handle everyone that year except Lufkin who they lost to 10 times that year....NO, but, looks like they lost 3 times to Lufkin....

I don't know if there's a point anywhere in here but, was fun typing...

[Texasfrog]

"So, I think it's very very safe to say that Texas (4A teams) like Texas High, Waco, Cop. Cove, Lamarque, Alamo Heights and few others could of played with Glades Central and Brynes, SC and done very well."


Oh yeah, for sure.....

Evangel Christian played Byrnes High School in 2002 in Louisiana and beat them by 11...Byrnes then goes 14-1 on the way to the 4A title in South Carolina...Their first of several in a roll...Evangel loses to Longview by three that year which is Evangel's only loss and Evangel goes on to win the state again beating West Monroe....Longview appears to be able to handle everyone that year except Lufkin who they lost to 10 times that year....NO, but, looks like they lost 3 times to Lufkin....

I don't know if there's a point anywhere in here but, was fun typing...

Ya,;) my point is some Ohio people (unbias I guess) saw both the Texas High vs Findlay game and they saw the Byrnes, SC vs Moeller game. I read several of them compare Texas High (4A) to Byrnes, SC and say that those two teams would of had a good game against each other if they played.

I can break it down and see where both teams probably would of matched up well with each other (Texas High vs Brynes SC) last year.

Well, that Brynes, Sc team beat Glades Central 27-15 last year also. That was a Glades Central team loaded with about (8 D-1A) Seniors (QB, RB, Wr, Wr, OL, DB, DB, DB) and few other kids that went D-1AA. Sound kinda familiar ???

That Glades team also won the Florida 3A title last year.

So, I'm willing to bet that Texas High (4A) would of given Glades Central everything they wanted last year even with all their D-1A talent.

I think Texas High only had 3 dudes go (D-1A) (QB, WR, LB) along with a couple of (D-1AA) (TE, DB) kids.
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I also again think it shows that MNW defense may not be this Mr. Invincable that they want to make it sound like. Glades had to replace five (D-1A) kids on offense and MNW defense still gave up almost 250 yards and 14 pts to those new dudes on Glades offense.

So, I think the highly groomed "Senior" offense of SLC that has very good talent on it will be able to move the ball some and probably score a few points on MNW vaunted defense. Just my Opinion of coarse.:)

[SLC93]

I wonder how a new SLC defense is going to handle a seasoned MNW Offense.

SLC at least has homefield advantage and MNW has never seen a team like SLC.

I don't know how many teams in Florida run a no huddle Offense.

I've said this all along and I don't envision anything changing. This game will be high scoring and, all due respec to MNW, Carroll is the team I take in a shootout against ANYBODY. The most talented, complex & precisely executed variation the spread has called Southlake home for many years now and the longer Carroll doesn't fold the harder MNW presses. Pressing leads to mistakes & mistakes are the boiling point for frustration. Once your frustrated your mind is taken from the game & Carroll owns you.

[SLC93]

My bad-that's me, always late.....

Well, my take is Northwestern is gonna try and knock Dodge(QB) out of the game by the second quarter....They probably come right at him with all kind of different blitz packages just to take that one "shot"....They will probably come with alot of crazy stuff-they may blitz the farm 15 plays in a roll.....That's their style....They may blitz players who ain't even the game....Better have someone count! (lol)


Here's the problem with that theory. One, the MNW however talented does not hit at, or near, the ferocity level that Trinity does & Riley stayed on the field for the entire game. I know what they're thinking when they watch film on him and that's fine. What we all know, from the several examples he provided us with last season, is that RD is one tough kid. He's also quite football savy, imagine that, & here's the biggest problem with that strategy. If MNW decides to go with the blits heavy approach, this game gets ugly. I haven't been one to predict total Carroll domination. I think this game is destined for a shootout with Carroll prevailing by 10-17pts. That said MNW will gind themselves down 28pts before they even know what to do if they go blitz heavy. The receivers are too good and too deep, meaning there's probably 5 of them that will take it to the house. Most important, RD is too elusive and too aware of the field for that scheme to work. When they don't get to him immediately how well do you think that coverage is gonna hold?

[Texasfrog]

Here's the problem with that theory. One, the MNW however talented does not hit at, or near, the ferocity level that Trinity does & Riley stayed on the field for the entire game. I know what they're thinking when they watch film on him and that's fine. What we all know, from the several examples he provided us with last season, is that RD is one tough kid. He's also quite football savy, imagine that, & here's the biggest problem with that strategy. If MNW decides to go with the blits heavy approach, this game gets ugly. I haven't been one to predict total Carroll domination. I think this game is destined for a shootout with Carroll prevailing by 10-17pts. That said MNW will gind themselves down 28pts before they even know what to do if they go blitz heavy. The receivers are too good and too deep, meaning there's probably 5 of them that will take it to the house. Most important, RD is too elusive and too aware of the field for that scheme to work. When they don't get to him immediately how well do you think that coverage is gonna hold?

I'm with you. I love to see MNW bring the house on every play. Like I've already stated before. I predict SLC will have at least 4 tds passes to pretty much wide open WR's.

[drgnbkr]

Bring the blitz MNW! Too many receivers will be open on the short stuff & you will be doing a quick 180 to see where the ball went...

[Robber89]

My bad-that's me, always late.....

Well, my take is Northwestern is gonna try and knock Dodge(QB) out of the game by the second quarter....They probably come right at him with all kind of different blitz packages just to take that one "shot"....They will probably come with alot of crazy stuff-they may blitz the farm 15 plays in a roll.....That's their style....They may blitz players who ain't even the game....Better have someone count! (lol)

If they blitz that much they will get lit up like a Christmas Tree. Can you say long touchdown passes.

[dragonsdaddy]

If they blitz that much they will get lit up like a Christmas Tree. Can you say long touchdown passes.

i'm wondering who'll replace tre after the 5th straight td on a screen pass, if blitzing is nwm's idea of how to stop slc.

[BDB]

i'm wondering who'll replace tre after the 5th straight td on a screen pass, if blitzing is nwm's idea of how to stop slc.can i play? ill swear alegiance to the green and black....and lord dodge....everything got real cold when i said that.

[SLC93]

can i play? ill swear alegiance to the green and black....and lord dodge....everything got real cold when i said that.

:eek: :puke :D :D ;)

[RidgePride]

I see the game going one of two ways.

This may be a repeat of any of the three games vs Lufkin. If this happens, the game can go either way.

33 to 31 type score for either team.


I can also see Carroll winning this one running away because MNW will have no idea how to stop them and Carroll will make a few stops.

SLC 51
MNW 30

I am leaning toward the second theory.

[dragonsdaddy]

i have come to the conclusion that screen passes will destroy a team like we hear mnw to be. i might call one every play until they stop it. that might not happen, however anytime soon.

[supercentex]

I am ready for this game already! I hope it's at SMU so most Texans get to see it.

[drgnbkr]

I am ready for this game already! I hope it's at SMU so most Texans get to see it.

As Coach Wason said...it's a 98% certainty that it will be payed at Ford Field, SMU, September 15rh, be there or miss out.

[SLC93]

As Coach Wason said...it's a 98% certainty that it will be payed at Ford Field, SMU, September 15rh, be there or miss out.

Can't wait for this one. I'll be there regardless of venue.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

nm

[twcpfan1]

Does anybody know what time the game is on and if it's going to be on TV?

[Texasfrog]

SLC football site claims it's Sept.15 at 7pm at SMU's stadium. It also says it will be on national tv.

[SLC93]

Does anybody know what time the game is on and if it's going to be on TV?

As far as I know this too hasn't been announced. I would have no issue in guaranteeing this will be televised. There's too many selling points for this match up to advertisers. It's been awhile since a match up of this caliber & with teams that will be carrying the types of national rankings these will has occurred. Think of all the high school action you saw broadcast on cable channels last year. Not one of those even sniffs this one for hype. It'll be on.

[SLC93]

SLC football site claims it's Sept.15 at 7pm at SMU's stadium. It also says it will be on national tv.

Yeah, I saw that yesterday but I've yet to see any sort of formal confirmation.

[Texasfrog]

Yeah, I saw that yesterday but I've yet to see any sort of formal confirmation.

Ya, but I thought it was interesting since MNW coach just came to Dallas and Coach Wasson just went to Miami. Maybe some behind closed door meetings with the game sponsor and they got somethings worked out.

The timing was just interesting.

[TXFOOSBALL]

Like others have said earlier....Bring on the blitz!! Even when we had an "average" offensive line we could still provide protection long enough to hit the wide open receiver. Now we probably have the best OL that Carroll has ever seen so I am not worried about the blitz. Our screens and quit hitters will kill their blitz.

If glades is "rebuilding" on offense and still able to put up 250 yds of offense I am sure SLC can put up 500.

[FeeltheHaka]

Every team tries to knock Riley out of the game. Southlake's O-line is no slouch, and will be bigger and better next year. Every team thinks they can bring the blitz on Riley. Riley can read a defense better than the best, and better than most coaches. MNW will get diced up if they try and bring the blitz too much. Riley can read defenses, elude sacks and has composure under pressure. This game is going to up Riley's recruiting ante.

[Texasfrog]

Every team tries to knock Riley out of the game. Southlake's O-line is no slouch, and will be bigger and better next year. Every team thinks they can bring the blitz on Riley. Riley can read a defense better than the best, and better than most coaches. MNW will get diced up if they try and bring the blitz too much. Riley can read defenses, elude sacks and has composure under pressure. This game is going to up Riley's recruiting ante.

MNW defense wont be anywhere as good as the ET defense was last year. I watched that game (SLC vs ET) and ET was doing a great job of changing things on defense the last second.

I dont care that MNW has like 4 or so (D-1A) kids on defense. Their defense wont be anywhere near ET's last year. That defense was big, strong and pretty fast and was very well coached.

[SLC93]

Every team tries to knock Riley out of the game. Southlake's O-line is no slouch, and will be bigger and better next year. Every team thinks they can bring the blitz on Riley. Riley can read a defense better than the best, and better than most coaches. MNW will get diced up if they try and bring the blitz too much. Riley can read defenses, elude sacks and has composure under pressure. This game is going to up Riley's recruiting ante.

I agree with your take on RD. I also know, having witnessed it, that the Trojan defensive unit last season was/is miles ahead of what the Bulls field. I'm speaking about every down, 4 quarters execution. MNW can't get near what the Dragon offense was battling with against Trinity. I can also guarantee whatever highlight hit they're looking for won't get the result they're looking for. I watched the Trojans text book smash this group of Carroll kids all day long in their matchup & they kept coming back, staying mentally strong. MNW will not bring the same pop Trinity did. Faster, maybe. Bigger & stronger, not a chance.

[Texasfrog]

SLC93 and other SLC gurus. Work with me on this please. I'm trying to figure out the potential starters and size/speed for SLC this coming season. Just killing some time. Help me fill in the blanks and correct any mistakes that I have.

OFFENSE:

QB- R. Dodge --- 6-0/175 4.6 --- SR
RB- T. Newton --- 6-0/195 4.5 --- SR
Wr- B. Cantu ---- 6-1/185 4.6---- SR
WR-C.Brainard ---- 5-11/165 4.5 ---- SR
WR- E.Cunningham ---- ---- SR
WR- J. Rake ----- 5-8/165 ---- JR
OT- S. Schwartstein --- 6-3/270 ---- SR
OG- J. Jackson ---- 6-4/275 ---- SR
C - N. Leppo ---- 6-3/260 ---- SR
OG- ????
OT- ????

DEFENSE:

DE- J. Richards --- 6-4/240 --- Somp.
DT- B. Carroll --- 6-0 /220 --- SR
DT- R. Prigmore ---- 6-0/220---- SR
DE- B. Burnett ---- 6-1/215 ---- JR.
OLB- P. Maynard ---- 6-1/205 ---- SR
MLB- D. Stolzman ---- 6-0/210---- SR
OLB- D. Tomlin ---- 6-0/195 ---- SR
CB- M. Troop --- ---- SR
CB- C. Murphy ---- 5-8/170 ---- SR
S - L. Anderson --- 6-0/185 --- SR
S- ???

So, help me fill in the blanks and size/weights. Also correct any mistakes there.

[fireaway]

jeremy gray wr 5'9 185

mlb- david stoltzman 6'0 210lbs
olb-perry maynard 6'1 200 give or take 10ilbs
cole wickland...cb or safety 6'2 about 190
carter murphy-COULD SEE TIME AT cb or receiver...VERY VERY VERY FAST senior never saw time this year because of his grades coach dodge had to keep him on the scout team--about 5'8 runs the 40 in a good 4.4 / 4.5

[Texasfrog]

jeremy gray wr 5'9 185

mlb- david stoltzman 6'0 210lbs
olb-perry maynard 6'1 200 give or take 10ilbs
cole wickland...cb or safety 6'2 about 190
carter murphy-COULD SEE TIME AT cb or receiver...VERY VERY VERY FAST senior never saw time this year because of his grades coach dodge had to keep him on the scout team--about 5'8 runs the 40 in a good 4.4 / 4.5

Thanks..

[Texasfrog]

jeremy gray wr 5'9 185

mlb- david stoltzman 6'0 210lbs
olb-perry maynard 6'1 200 give or take 10ilbs
cole wickland...cb or safety 6'2 about 190
carter murphy-COULD SEE TIME AT cb or receiver...VERY VERY VERY FAST senior never saw time this year because of his grades coach dodge had to keep him on the scout team--about 5'8 runs the 40 in a good 4.4 / 4.5

Who is projected to be the other OT and OG ??

[drgnsbrth]

Josh Rake S 5-8, 155 Soph
Brayden Burnett DE 6'1" 215 Jr

[drgnsbrth]

Oh, and its
Matt Rake @ WR, twin of Josh, Soph.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Oh, and its
Matt Rake @ WR, twin of Josh, Soph.

You sure you don't have your Rakes mixed up? I was under the impression that Josh is @ WR, Matt is @ DB. Also, I thought Burnett was a JR-to-be, not a SR-to-be.

[dragonfootballfan]

subtract about two to three inches from almost everyone on the defense, and you will have it about right

[drgnsbrth]

You are correct about Burnett, he will be a junior. You are probably correct about which Rake is where. But, both will be juniors.

[supercentex]

SLC coaches in Miami....

Wonder why they are on the sidelines and not up in the press?


http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/373/O64961.jpg

[CCHS77]

SLC coaches in Miami....

Wonder why they are on the sidelines and not up in the press?


http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/373/O64961.jpg

I wonder why they don't have the same shirt on.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

SLC coaches in Miami....

Wonder why they are on the sidelines and not up in the press?


http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/373/O64961.jpg

Wasson has a small resemblence to this guy...

http://www.aggiesports.com/football/photos/111002murphyandslocum.jpg

...assuming he's the guy on the far left.

[SLC93]

I'd like to hear some of their impressions with this squad. The real ones, though, not what their going to use to prep our kids with.

[jakerz]

SLC coaches in Miami....

Wonder why they are on the sidelines and not up in the press?


http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/373/O64961.jpg

Lol...those are like the whitest guys ever.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Lol...those are like the whitest guys ever.

Yup...especially John Clayton on the far RIGHT....

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/zone/2001/0522/photo/zone_clayton.jpg
:D :eek: :D

[supercentex]

More photos from their spring game against BG.


http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/373/O52407.jpg

http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/373/O64954.jpg

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http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/373/O64956.jpg

http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/373/O64957.jpg

[supercentex]

http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/373/O64959.jpg

http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/373/O64960.jpg

http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/373/O64962.jpg


http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/373/O64963.jpg

http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/373/O64964.jpg

[supercentex]

http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/373/O64965.jpg

[SLC93]

Awesome pics. Thanks. Anyone know how many of these players will be going both ways?

[Texasfrog]

Yup...especially John Clayton on the far RIGHT....

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/zone/2001/0522/photo/zone_clayton.jpg
:D :eek: :D

Damn, what's he doing coaching SLC and scouting MNW ?

Anyway, at least they all have the same shorts on.:eek:

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Those pics remind me of La Marque, last year...

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Damn, what's he doing coaching SLC and scouting MNW ?

Anyway, at least they all have the same shorts on.:eek:

I love it when Salisbury and John gets into it.... I think the entire Universe can sense that Sean hates every bit of John's guts....:D

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

SLC93 - none of them. Brandon Washington (#72 in the pictures), who a lot of people thought was the most impressive prospect on the field that night, is primarily a LT but he might play a little bit of DL in select situations. Similarly, Forston (DT #99) and a few others got involved in goal line offense last year against Lake Brantley, but none of these guys truly play both ways. That was a bad suggestion by someone on a message board.

BTW, I watched the whole FL 6A state championship game yesterday between MNW and Lake Brantley. SLC is going to have a field day with their secondary if the OL can give Riley some time (those DL are pretty impressive), but MNW's offense was everything it was cracked up to be. Johnson, Streeter, and Thompkins are the absolute real deal at WR and their QB is very good. Probably the best high school WR corps I've ever seen or heard of... very tall, physical, and just natural football players. I've got a couple more MNW game DVDs coming, I'll throw up a prediction after I see them. At first glance though, I'm definitely predicting a shoot out... those young DBs will get tested in a big way.

[BigRing5311]

nm

[RidgePride]

Lol...those are like the whitest guys ever.

They were definitely out of their element. The hiked up shorts didn't help much either. I bet the people in the stands were making fun of them. The one on the far left has his pad and pen out which made him look really dorky. Very stereotypical goofy white guy look.

[supercentex]

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dadepreps/2007/05/just_push_play.html

[jakerz]

Those short SLC CB's are gonna have a tough time with those lanky quick recievers. But, it's SLC, and they will adjust like always. I don't think MNW will be able to adjust to that offense that SLC will bring.

[SLC93]

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dadepreps/2007/05/just_push_play.html

We've hit an all time low for homerism. When slang makes it in to print for a major city newpaper call it what it is. The author refers to those "sick" receivers & we're supposed to believe a 280 pound DT runs like Barry Sanders.:puke :puke :puke :puke :D

[SLC93]

Those short SLC CB's are gonna have a tough time with those lanky quick recievers. But, it's SLC, and they will adjust like always. I don't think MNW will be able to adjust to that offense that SLC will bring.

I'm not too concerned because receivers of this type can be schemed for. Also remember these are bigger receiver and while they do run well, they're not blazers.

[toddg]

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dadepreps/2007/05/just_push_play.html

forget "stop"! you can only hope to slow'em down...? the defending 6a champs beat up on the defending 3a champs...im impressed!http://www.w3bdevil.com/forums/Emoticons/Yawn.gif

[RidgePride]

SLC coaches in Miami....

Wonder why they are on the sidelines and not up in the press?


http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/373/O64961.jpg

The Varsity coaches are rarely in the press box. Usually the middle school coaches are in the press box for scouting. If the Varsity staff is there to scout, they usually sit in the stands. Something tells me that they would not have felt too comfortable sitting in the stands.

Someone tell me who the SLC coaches are and their coaching position.

I only know the head coach Hall Wasson on the left.

[jakerz]

I'm not too concerned because receivers of this type can be schemed for. Also remember these are bigger receiver and while they do run well, they're not blazers.

How do you scheme against them? Not saying you can't, but just interested on how...

[RidgePride]

How do you scheme against them? Not saying you can't, but just interested on how...

You can use different types of zone defenses. SLC usually leaves their DB's on an Island though.

If they have to they could go to a cover 2 which would give the DB's over the top help.

[TheBigPeach]

Well, I dont want to get into the whole "cheap shot" conversation. Buttttt, if I was to bet money on a certain team that might try it.... Hmmm, you can bet who I would say.;)

Then we get to see Kyle Williamson in action maybe?

[Texasfrog]

Then we get to see Kyle Williamson in action maybe?

Ya, I heard some good things about this future SLC QB. Sounds like he'll be another All-State caliber QB. Pretty big too right (6-3/190) range right now.

[Texasfrog]

SLC93 - none of them. Brandon Washington (#72 in the pictures), who a lot of people thought was the most impressive prospect on the field that night, is primarily a LT but he might play a little bit of DL in select situations. Similarly, Forston (DT #99) and a few others got involved in goal line offense last year against Lake Brantley, but none of these guys truly play both ways. That was a bad suggestion by someone on a message board.

BTW, I watched the whole FL 6A state championship game yesterday between MNW and Lake Brantley. SLC is going to have a field day with their secondary if the OL can give Riley some time (those DL are pretty impressive), but MNW's offense was everything it was cracked up to be. Johnson, Streeter, and Thompkins are the absolute real deal at WR and their QB is very good. Probably the best high school WR corps I've ever seen or heard of... very tall, physical, and just natural football players. I've got a couple more MNW game DVDs coming, I'll throw up a prediction after I see them. At first glance though, I'm definitely predicting a shoot out... those young DBs will get tested in a big way.

Hurricane is the one that said a few other the MNW players would go "both ways." He referred to Brandon Washington specifically.

Anyway, not that I doubt what you're saying Oaktree. I know you have some great football knowledge. But, I dont think Lake Brantley would of even been a top #20 Texas team last year and I surely dont think their defense would of been one of the top defensive's in Texas last year. Lake Brantley would of been at best in Texas last year about a (8-2) caliber Texas 4A "AT BEST."

But, SLC young inexperienced defense will have to step up and play a solid "team defense unit" to control MNW skilled individual talented kids. Like I said before. MNW is going to make some plays just because they have some great individual talent more than anything. But, SLC offense should control the tempo of this game. Plus, I'm predicting MNW makes some mistakes (killer turnovers).

SLC= 45
MNW= 21

PS. MNW also tore up a "so so" Lake Brantley defense with a "4-Star) running back last year (Easterling).

Also.. I'll say that a new inexperienced SLC defense (this season) is much better than Lake Brantley defense last year.

[drgnsbrth]

In the middle is Bill Poe, OC and Shannon Wilson, DC

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Hurricane is the one that said a few other the MNW players would go "both ways." He referred to Brandon Washington specifically.

Anyway, not that I doubt what you're saying Oaktree. I know you have some great football knowledge. But, I dont think Lake Brantley would of even been a top #20 Texas team last year and I surely dont think their defense would of been one of the top defensive's in Texas last year. Lake Brantley would of been at best in Texas last year about a (8-2) caliber Texas 4A "AT BEST."

But, SLC young inexperienced defense will have to step up and play a solid "team defense unit" to control MNW skilled individual talented kids. Like I said before. MNW is going to make some plays just because they have some great individual talent more than anything. But, SLC offense should control the tempo of this game. Plus, I'm predicting MNW makes some mistakes (killer turnovers).

SLC= 45
MNW= 21

PS. MNW also tore up a "so so" Lake Brantley defense with a "4-Star) running back last year (Easterling).

Also.. I'll say that a new inexperienced SLC defense (this season) is much better than Lake Brantley defense last year.

I agree with everything you said here... I have faith that SLC's D will get it done. Just saying... the DBs on both teams will be tested in a big way. Some things about that team are exaggerated by the Miami crowd, but the WRs are legit. One last note - MNW's special teams were really, really poor last year. I think something significant will happen in that phase of the game in SLC's favor, whether it's a huge return, great field position due to a crappy punt(s), or a crucial missed field goal/XP by MNW. Right now I'm thinking something along the lines of SLC 41-27.

[SLC93]

The addition of Poe to the Carroll staff, in my opinion, has been the mpst under publicized coaching move/addition this off season. :eek: I'm convinced Wasson has put together a tremendous staff, which is saying alot because they had trmendous losses to overcome.

[Texasfrog]

I agree with everything you said here... I have faith that SLC's D will get it done. Just saying... the DBs on both teams will be tested in a big way. Some things about that team are exaggerated by the Miami crowd, but the WRs are legit. One last note - MNW's special teams were really, really poor last year. I think something significant will happen in that phase of the game in SLC's favor, whether it's a huge return, great field position due to a crappy punt(s), or a crucial missed field goal/XP by MNW. Right now I'm thinking something along the lines of SLC 41-27.

Ya, I agree. I think the secondary for both teams is going to be the weak spots. But, I just have that gut feeling that SLC secondary (through coacing and teamwork) will be more preparred to handle MNW "athletes" where MNW wont have a clue how to stop SLC high paced offense.

Rather they hit you with the "no huddle" Dart rb plays with Newton, Riley keepers around the edge or the quick strike passing game. I dont think MNW will really have a clue and SLC offenese is going to have a field day.

MNW has a so called strong D-front. Will , ET had a very strong D-front, some quick fast aggresive LB's and a very good secondary and coaching second to none. SLC was able to get it done and move the ball.

Let me ask you this Oaktree because I want your opinon. Judging MNW defense from last year and last years ET defense. Which do you think is better overall. (size, speed, coaching) ?

[Texasfrog]

I agree with everything you said here... I have faith that SLC's D will get it done. Just saying... the DBs on both teams will be tested in a big way. Some things about that team are exaggerated by the Miami crowd, but the WRs are legit. One last note - MNW's special teams were really, really poor last year. I think something significant will happen in that phase of the game in SLC's favor, whether it's a huge return, great field position due to a crappy punt(s), or a crucial missed field goal/XP by MNW. Right now I'm thinking something along the lines of SLC 41-27.

SLC will own MNW in the third phase (special teams). This cant even be debated..

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Let me ask you this Oaktree because I want your opinon. Judging MNW defense from last year and last years ET defense. Which do you think is better overall. (size, speed, coaching) ?

That's an interesting comparison to try and draw. The biggest difference I saw between the two would be (1) the tenacity/stamina of ET's DL vs. MNW's, and (2) the discipline/experience of the back 7 in the passing game. MNW's defense was clearly able to pin their ears back and play all downhill against unsophisticated run-oriented offenses most of their season which really let them shine. ET's secondary was clearly more familiar with defending a structured passing attack, and I think SLC will exploit MNW there on Sept. 15. That's just not something that's easy to practice/teach when the overwhelming majority of teams in your area don't utilize that kind of offense. MNW is more talented in the LB corps. The DLs are similar in that they're big and fast... ETs is/was stronger, MNW's looks to be quicker. MNW's guys were both amazing and underwhelming throughout the 4 quarters that I saw... lazy, lazy, lazy... opportunity to make a big play arises - boom, you see their athleticism. Don't think that will cut it for them this fall... they'll make some highlight plays, but I think they'll get punched in the mouth by big, motivated kids every down and won't be used to it.

[Texasfrog]

That's an interesting comparison to try and draw. The biggest difference I saw between the two would be (1) the tenacity/stamina of ET's DL vs. MNW's, and (2) the discipline/experience of the back 7 in the passing game. MNW's defense was clearly able to pin their ears back and play all downhill against unsophisticated run-oriented offenses most of their season which really let them shine. ET's secondary was clearly more familiar with defending a structured passing attack, and I think SLC will exploit MNW there on Sept. 15. That's just not something that's easy to practice/teach when the overwhelming majority of teams in your area don't utilize that kind of offense. MNW is more talented in the LB corps. The DLs are similar in that they're big and fast... ETs is/was stronger, MNW's looks to be quicker. MNW's guys were both amazing and underwhelming throughout the 4 quarters that I saw... lazy, lazy, lazy... opportunity to make a big play arises - boom, you see their athleticism. Don't think that will cut it for them this fall... they'll make some highlight plays, but I think they'll get punched in the mouth by big, motivated kids every down and won't be used to it.

Pretty much what I thought you would say. I think the D-line (ET & MNW) are about the same with the size. But, I do think ET's is stronger and plays with more aggression for 4th QT.

LB's- MNW crew is more "individually talented" but ET's is has some talent (couple of D-1A caliber) but ET's is better coached and they have more in their LB's package schemes.

DB's- ET's is way better coached in playing different schemes and showing different looks to the offense. They could go from Man and roll into Zone and vice-versa. MNW will try to play some type of "Man" on SLC and get schooled most of the day.

PS. Lake Brantley offense last year after 10 regualer season games:

Passing: 10 games- 43 comp/ 89 att/ 734 yds- 5td- 4 ints

Rushing: 10 games- 386 car/ 2,589 yds (6.9 avg)- 20 tds

Nothing for nothing, but I can promise that SLC offense is 5X times better than Lake Brantley offense and much more diverse in it's scheming.

[Texasfrog]

Oaktree... Let me ask you this.

2006 Teams: SLC vs Lake Brantley, Fl. What would of been the score ?

MNW = 34 Lake Brantley = 14

I think SLC would of put about 60 on Lake Brantley myself. What do you think ? Objective opinion please..

PS. I aslo think SLC 2006 defense would of shut out Lake Brantley.

Objective score:

SLC = 60
LB = 10

I would say that SLC would beat Lake Brantley about as easily as they beat Colleyville Heritage twice (56-7 & 33-7). Plus the sad thing is, I think Colleyville Heritage would of probably beaten Lake Brantley, Fl last year.

In fact I also think Odessa Permian would of crushed Lake Brantley, Fl and SLC beat the MOJO (42-6).

Like you said Oak.. MNW can play with reckless abandon and all downhill when the other team really doenst have an advanced offense and all they do is basic 101 running plays and formations. But, that's not the case in Texas and surely isnt in the case with SLC.

[Texasfrog]

Post repeated..

[Texasfrog]

Miami Herald

Just push play
Like a TiVo, Northwestern was on pause for six months. On Saturday, they pushed play and fans watched the same episode - A dominant victory.

It didn't matter that it was the defending Class 3A champions from "The Muck."

Glades Central with all its skill and talent, which they still have despite losing a number of great players, and they could only hang with the Bulls for a half. So a Glades team that was replacing a D-1A (QB, RB, WR, WR, OL) could hang for a half with the mighty Miami Northwestern team. SLC returns an offense loaded with talent and skill but I'm sure their inferior to Glades high power offense of new kids

The Raiders, who I was told had some choice words for NW before the game, connected on a couple of deep TD passes. I'm sure SLC passing attack is inferior to Glades.

But they could not contain NW's offense, which just comes after you over and over. Just like last year, teams may have stalled 2 or 3 of their drives, but this squad will score on 7 of the 10 drives they'll have in a game.
Remember that this reporter said this please. He said MNW will score 7 out of 10 drives in games they play.

Even the score looked familiar, 42-21. This team put up at least 34 on everyone last year and 41 was their most popular score. The 21 points allowed was 1 more than they gave up against anyone last year.

But consider the opponent. This team was better than 90 percent of the teams they played last year. And NW still overpowered them with ease by the end of the 3rd quarter.

And this wasn't even their best game. The Bulls made a bunch of silly mistakes, penalties, fumbles, even a rare interception by Jacory Harris.

But how good is a team that can commit those errors and still, behind Harris and his sick wide receivers, and the youngsters in the backfield like Tyresse Jones put up 42 points and 412 total yards.

And a defense that records six sacks and has a 6-3, 280-pound lineman, a.k.a. Marcus Forston, that can pick up a fumble at midfield and out run players 90 pounds lighter to the end zone "like Barry Sanders." See how over-inflated "MYTH's" start.

It's gonna be hard to stop, no forget stop, slow this team down in the fall. We'll see come Sept.15.

[SLC93]

That's an interesting comparison to try and draw. The biggest difference I saw between the two would be (1) the tenacity/stamina of ET's DL vs. MNW's, and (2) the discipline/experience of the back 7 in the passing game. MNW's defense was clearly able to pin their ears back and play all downhill against unsophisticated run-oriented offenses most of their season which really let them shine. ET's secondary was clearly more familiar with defending a structured passing attack, and I think SLC will exploit MNW there on Sept. 15. That's just not something that's easy to practice/teach when the overwhelming majority of teams in your area don't utilize that kind of offense. MNW is more talented in the LB corps. The DLs are similar in that they're big and fast... ETs is/was stronger, MNW's looks to be quicker. MNW's guys were both amazing and underwhelming throughout the 4 quarters that I saw... lazy, lazy, lazy... opportunity to make a big play arises - boom, you see their athleticism. Don't think that will cut it for them this fall... they'll make some highlight plays, but I think they'll get punched in the mouth by big, motivated kids every down and won't be used to it.

The biggest issues, in my opinion, for the MNW defense are exactly as you stated. There is no question of talent, we all agree but they've never faced a unit that challenges them for four full quarters. How will they hold up in the Texas heat against a unit that won't go away and in a game that doesn't allow them to have the back ups in by the third quarter. The pace and complexity of the Carroll offense is why I favor them in a high scoring affair Sept. 15. There will be no margin for taking plays off either. Exposure to this kind of offense is extremely limited in Dade county. I think the overall experience of the Dragon's offense & especially the situautional experiences they have to draw from wins this game.

[Texasfrog]

The biggest issues, in my opinion, for the MNW defense are exactly as you stated. There is no question of talent, we all agree but they've never faced a unit that challenges them for four full quarters. How will they hold up in the Texas heat against a unit that won't go away and in a game that doesn't allow them to have the back ups in by the third quarter. The pace and complexity of the Carroll offense is why I favor them in a high scoring affair Sept. 15. There will be no margin for taking plays off either. Exposure to this kind of offense is extremely limited in Dade county. I think the overall experience of the Dragon's offense & especially the situautional experiences they have to draw from wins this game.

There is no exposure to this type of offense in Miami-Dade Co. Not even remotely close. B.T. Washington runs a spread offense but it's 1/4 of what SLC is overall. MNW has never seen an offense like SLC and it will be a totally new experience for them.

In fact, I havent seen all the teams in Florida. But, I've seen most of the big dogs in one way or another. I havent seen one team in the State of Florida that has an offense or runs in offense like SLC.

MNW wont know how to stop SLC. They'll make a defensive play everynow and then. They have some good athletes. But, overall they will be "outschemed" off the field.

That's what I've been saying since "DAY ONE" about 3 months ago when this game was first being mentioned.

[drgnbkr]

I still think it will come down to who scores the most..MNW has some playmakers on offense with the tall WR's, and a pretty big, athletic QB. I know it's sacriledge, but I compare the potential of the MNW offense to a Vince Young Madison team, which was tough to stop, and would win games 50-47. I see the Carroll defense being better than that, but I just believe that with what we know about the MNW offense, they will score some points. I agree that it just doesn't look very likely that MNW will be able to stop the Carroll offense..so it should be a 42-21 or some-such win for the
Dragons.

[Texasfrog]

Is Wake Forest, Stanford and Purdue showing an interest in LB-Derek Tomlin ? I thought I read that somewhere. Anyone know ?

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Is Wake Forest, Stanford and Purdue showing an interest in LB-Derek Tomlin ? I thought I read that somewhere. Anyone know ?

According to Rivals.com, Tomlin recently received his first D1 offer. The school? UNT, of course. Oklahoma State, Vandy, Wake Forest, UTEP, Air Force also showing interest. He'll be a steal for someone.

[drgnbkr]

According to Rivals.com, Tomlin recently received his first D1 offer. The school? UNT, of course. Oklahoma State, Vandy, Wake Forest, UTEP, Air Force also showing interest. He'll be a steal for someone.

He's going to deal out a lot of headaches this year...I'd rank him pretty high in the "pound for pound" category as far as hits go..

[Texasfrog]

SLC93 and other SLC gurus. Work with me on this please. I'm trying to figure out the potential starters and size/speed for SLC this coming season. Just killing some time. Help me fill in the blanks and correct any mistakes that I have.

OFFENSE:

QB- R. Dodge --- 6-0/175 4.6 --- SR --- (TEXAS)
RB- T. Newton --- 6-0/195 4.5 --- SR --- (TEXAS)
Wr- B. Cantu ---- 6-1/185 4.6---- SR
WR-C.Brainard ---- 5-11/165 4.5 ---- SR
WR- E.Cunningham ---- 6-1/185 ---- SR
WR- J. Rake ----- 5-8/165 ---- JR
OT- S. Schwartstein --- 6-3/270 ---- SR
OG- J. Jackson ---- 6-5/280 ---- SR
C - N. Leppo ---- 6-3/260 ---- SR
OG- J. Acton ----- 6-0/260 ---- SR
OT- M. Boyles ---- 6-4/245 ---- JR

DEFENSE:

DE- J. Richards --- 6-4/240 --- Somp.
DT- B. Carroll --- 6-0 /220 --- SR
DT- R. Prigmore ---- 6-0/220---- SR
DE- B. Burnett ---- 6-3/225 ---- JR.
OLB- P. Maynard ---- 6-1/205 ---- SR
MLB- D. Stolzman ---- 6-0/210---- SR
OLB- D. Tomlin ---- 6-0/195 ---- SR
CB- M. Troop --- 5-11/175 ---- SR
CB- C. Murphy ---- 5-8/170 ---- SR
S - L. Anderson --- 5-11/185 --- SR
S- Mitch Osborne ---- ????? --------- So.

So, help me fill in the blanks and size/weights. Also correct any mistakes there.

Some updates added from about 4 PM that people have sent me. Thanks..!!

[newdragon08]

Some updates added from about 4 (PM) that people have sent me. Thanks..!!

Everything looks correct to me. After watching the spring game I'd say that looks like the starting lineup for the fall.:D

[Texasfrog]

Everything looks correct to me. After watching the spring game I'd say that looks like the starting lineup for the fall.:D

Who is the other projected safety besides Luke Anderson ?

[Texasfrog]

He's going to deal out a lot of headaches this year...I'd rank him pretty high in the "pound for pound" category as far as hits go..

He is going to be a very solid (D-1A) LB. I can see schools like North Tx, SMU, Wake Forest, Vandy, Purdue and Stanford probably showing good interest in Tomlin.

I think what college coaches/scouts like about Tomlin is that he is such a gifted all-around athlete. Not only is he a very all around LB but he excells in track (10.8/100M) and a good Long Jump. Plus, he seems like a very good student also. Just a plus all around.:D

[drgnsbrth]

Who is the other projected safety besides Luke Anderson ?

The other rake, jr.

[newdragon08]

Who is the other projected safety besides Luke Anderson ?


The other safety besides Anderson, I'm not sure it's Rake. I heard Osborne (sp?) has a chance. Also, OL-G Action is actually Acton. :rolleyes:

[RidgePride]

The other safety besides Anderson, I'm not sure it's Rake. I heard Osborne (sp?) has a chance. Also, OL-G Action is actually Acton. :rolleyes:

ahhh...Mitch Osborne the Sophomore to be. That guy is tall, fast and athletic. Would not surprise me at all if he was starting. He is a darn good receiver too. I believe he will be another D1 guy.

SLC is not short on talent.

[SLC93]

ahhh...Mitch Osborne the Sophomore to be. That guy is tall, fast and athletic. Would not surprise me at all if he was starting. He is a darn good receiver too.

SLC is not short on talent.

The experience this sophmore & junior class will rack up this year is going to be invaluable to Wasson in 08.

[dragonsdaddy]

The experience this sophmore & junior class will rack up this year is going to be invaluable to Wasson in 08.

and 09 for that matter. everyone better get their licks in soon, cause it's fixing to get rough up this way.

[SLC93]

and 09 for that matter. everyone better get their licks in soon, cause it's fixing to get rough up this way.

Absolutely DD. Just pointed to 08 cause I expect folks to make a big deal about it being our first Dodge free year;) :D

[Texasfrog]

The other safety besides Anderson, I'm not sure it's Rake. I heard Osborne (sp?) has a chance. Also, OL-G Action is actually Acton. :rolleyes:

I thought someone said he (Osborne) was seeing back LB's duty.

[NSStangs#1fan]

Everything looks correct to me. After watching the spring game I'd say that looks like the starting lineup for the fall.:D

How did the D look in the spring game?

[drgnbkr]

How did the D look in the spring game?

With only 2 returners, there were a lot of players mixing it up, but especially along the D-line, a lot of the players saw lots of PT last year so they aren't totally green. The secondary has one returner, Luke Anderson, so 3 will be new. They've one this before so if the past is any indicator, the D should be in great shape, especially by playoff time.

[SLC93]

With only 2 returners, there were a lot of players mixing it up, but especially along the D-line, a lot of the players saw lots of PT last year so they aren't totally green. The secondary has one returner, Luke Anderson, so 3 will be new. They've one this before so if the past is any indicator, the D should be in great shape, especially by playoff time.

For the MNW game they'll still be working things out but, as stated before, because of the preparation & coaching the kids for Carroll receive my bet is they get a few more stops than MNW. They'll come up big with a timely stop or turnover that will influence a high scoring affair. Despite the big name talent on offense for MNW, the offensive advantage goes to Carroll. I still have heard no concrete answer to how MNW plans on replacing the 3550 rushing yards & 50 touchdowns that Easterling provided last year. There can be no arguement Carroll does not have the superior special teams & little arguement they won't be the benefactors of better coaching. Using that reasoning you come up with the following.

1) Offense - advantage Carroll, for the reason stated above and overall strength of unit
2) Special Teams - advantage Carroll, go to the stats & watch even 1 MNW game and tell me how you feel about the coverage & kicking units
3) Coaching - enough said
4) Home Field - don't forget these are kids, not professionals traveling across country for this game. If home field is a decided advantage for college & pro teams, how big is it for high school students?
5) Big game experience - The kids that will make up the Dragon varsity have either participated directly in huge games, some of them televised, or have been a part of this program on the sub varsity levels for the last several years & have alot of up close exposure to situations like this.
6) Defense - the only area where one can argue a clear cut advantage for MNW, primarily due to experience. They have a tremendous front seven but I'm not sold on their secondary being any better than Carroll's.

One area out of six, in my opinion, where MNW has a firm hold. I agree this will be a challenge for the Dragons but I see little reason to think they cannot prevail by 14-17 points.

[toonman]

For the MNW game they'll still be working things out but, as stated before, because of the preparation & coaching the kids for Carroll receive my bet is they get a few more stops than MNW. They'll come up big with a timely stop or turnover that will influence a high scoring affair. Despite the big name talent on offense for MNW, the offensive advantage goes to Carroll. I still have heard no concrete answer to how MNW plans on replacing the 3550 rushing yards & 50 touchdowns that Easterling provided last year. There can be no arguement Carroll does not have the superior special teams & little arguement they won't be the benefactors of better coaching. Using that reasoning you come up with the following.

1) Offense - advantage Carroll, for the reason stated above and overall strength of unit
2) Special Teams - advantage Carroll, go to the stats & watch even 1 MNW game and tell me how you feel about the coverage & kicking units
3) Coaching - enough said
4) Home Field - don't forget these are kids, not professionals traveling across country for this game. If home field is a decided advantage for college & pro teams, how big is it for high school students?
5) Big game experience - The kids that will make up the Dragon varsity have either participated directly in huge games, some of them televised, or have been a part of this program on the sub varsity levels for the last several years & have alot of up close exposure to situations like this.
6) Defense - the only area where one can argue a clear cut advantage for MNW, primarily due to experience. They have a tremendous front seven but I'm not sold on their secondary being any better than Carroll's.

One area out of six, in my opinion, where MNW has a firm hold. I agree this will be a challenge for the Dragons but I see little reason to think they cannot prevail by 14-17 points.

A very good and well thoughtout analysis.

[dragonfootballfan]

After watching a ton of Carroll games the past five seasons, I will not give Carroll the special teams edge, until they start putting starters on those units.

[SLC93]

After watching a ton of Carroll games the past five seasons, I will not give Carroll the special teams edge, until they start putting starters on those units.

The only real gripe we can possibly have with the special teams is the punt team. For whatever reason, we just don't seem to have ever had a strong punter. On our worst day, I assure you, we're still on par with what you'll see from MNW in this phase of the game.

[dragonfootballfan]

The only real gripe we can possibly have with the special teams is the punt team. For whatever reason, we just don't seem to have ever had a strong punter. On our worst day, I assure you, we're still on par with what you'll see from MNW in this phase of the game.

I guess you have not seen our kick off coverage units or our punt return game the past few seasons.

[SLC93]

I guess you have not seen our kick off coverage units or our punt return game the past few seasons.

Spoken like a real Dragon, always improving & never satisfied. Those units were not, by any means, subpar or detrimental. As it applies to this game these units are far more disciplined and less likely to give up the big play or commit a turnover than MNW's.

[dragonfootballfan]

Spoken like a real Dragon, always improving & never satisfied. Those units were not, by any means, subpar or detrimental. As it applies to this game these units are far more disciplined and less likely to give up the big play or commit a turnover than MNW's.

those units were both subpar and detrimental. There were more than a few muffed punts and a lot of big kick returns against the dragons the past few years.

[SLC93]

those units were both subpar and detrimental. There were more than a few muffed punts and a lot of big kick returns against the dragons the past few years.

Watch some MNW video & then let me know if your feelings are unchanged.:cool:

[pied]

1) Offense - advantage Carroll, for the reason stated above and overall strength of unit-I can ceratinly see the case that the SLC offense will be better. I think they might be the best offense is the history of the state. The issue is that the offenses do not play one another. Of the two, I really do not like the green(so to speak) and short SLC DB's against the height and quality of the MNW receivers. Add in a top notch running QB, and the matchup scares me a lot.

2) Special Teams - advantage Carroll, go to the stats & watch even 1 MNW game and tell me how you feel about the coverage & kicking units-I watched the title game a while ago, and did not noticve anything crazy. I may have been FF through those parts, need to go back and watch it.

3) Coaching - enough said-Not certain I can go that far. First I think everyone needs to slow down a little on the bashing of these coaches. This is not some "All-Star" team that has not won anything. They are a succesful program that has just won it all and done so rather easily.

The other issue I see and do not feel comfortable with is the coaching change. Wasson is a great choice and will lead them to great things. I can't help but wonder how the kids will respond the first time they are faced with adversity. They have fought through that in nearly every case the last five years, but the difference is that Dodge will not be there. He is the only HS coach most of these kids have known and I think the staff turnover could play a role in the game's outcome.
4) Home Field - don't forget these are kids, not professionals traveling across country for this game. If home field is a decided advantage for college & pro teams, how big is it for high school students?-I agree totally.
5) Big game experience - The kids that will make up the Dragon varsity have either participated directly in huge games, some of them televised, or have been a part of this program on the sub varsity levels for the last several years & have alot of up close exposure to situations like this.-No doubt. Again I will say that MNW is the defending champions in the biggest classification in FL. That might not meet Texas' standards, but they certainly have been apart of som big games, on TV etc.
6)Defense - the only area where one can argue a clear cut advantage for MNW, primarily due to experience. They have a tremendous front seven but I'm not sold on their secondary being any better than Carroll's.-The DB's for both teams will not be lining up against each other. The question in my opinion is how they matchup. I think both offenses match up much better than the defenses. The question is to what degree. Because of the talent for MNW and lack of experience(and height) for SLC,I would give the nod to the Bulls.

One area out of six, in my opinion, where MNW has a firm hold. I agree this will be a challenge for the Dragons but I see little reason to think they cannot prevail by 14-17 points.

To me it is about matchups. I think in total the MNW O matches better against the SLC D than the other way around. It is not huge, but I would give the nod to the Bulls in that area.

There are many intangibles, coaching/travel/experience. I think it is a tough one to call, much tought than many other Texans.

[dragonsdaddy]

To me it is about matchups. I think in total the MNW O matches better against the SLC D than the other way around. It is not huge, but I would give the nod to the Bulls in that area.

There are many intangibles, coaching/travel/experience. I think it is a tough one to call, much tought than many other Texans.

are you saying the mnw d will be better prepared and have more success stopping the slc, than vice versa? i'm going to be shocked if that is so. the mnw d will likely be out-schemed and woefully unable to react against the slc spread, whereas the slc d while young, won't be seeing anything they haven't dealt with many times before. it will definitely be a good test for both, and barring injuries, i expect both teams will be the better for the contest.

[SLC93]

1) Offense - I think they might be the best offense is the history of the state. The issue is that the offenses do not play one another. Of the two, I really do not like the green(so to speak) and short SLC DB's against the height and quality of the MNW receivers. Add in a top notch running QB, and the matchup scares me a lot. The issue isn't a talent one on either side, for sure. While I do not discount that MNW will have a new, talented runner coming up until he performs I think you have to account for the loss of 50 touchdowns & 3550 yards rushing. The MNW receivers a tall but they are not blazers. I'm not sure that they can't be schemed against. Harris is good on the ground but top notch is a reach. I'm not sure he's as gifted a runner as Dodge is and his wheels aren't any better

2) Special Teams - I watched the title game a while ago, and did not noticve anything crazy. I may have been FF through those parts, need to go back and watch it. Watch the contain & discipline in assigment on coverage & their kicking game is nonexsistent. That'll be an issue in a close game

3) Coaching - Not certain I can go that far. First I think everyone needs to slow down a little on the bashing of these coaches. This is not some "All-Star" team that has not won anything. They are a succesful program that has just won it all and done so rather easily.
The other issue I see and do not feel comfortable with is the coaching change. Wasson is a great choice and will lead them to great things. I can't help but wonder how the kids will respond the first time they are faced with adversity. They have fought through that in nearly every case the last five years, but the difference is that Dodge will not be there. He is the only HS coach most of these kids have known and I think the staff turnover could play a role in the game's outcome. I'm with you on the bashing thing & that's not my intent, so please don't misunderstand. MNW is a successful program and had a whale of a year in a top football state, I'm on record there. I'm stating the coaching advatage based on depth of staff, number of position coaches and the records of those coaches. Wasson went about his business quitely this offseason and really put together a hell of a staff full of experience and success. The oc is from a legendary coaching family & the one that Dodge most credits with his success in developing this offense. The kids know Wasson & ,by all accounts, have really responded to him. Don't forget he's coming in with a career record tha's about 40 games over .500. The change might actually help propel this current run as any complacency that may develop, and it does it's human nature, has been stirred up a bit. The kids have had to work harder as they get to know the new coaches and the routine is a little different. It's blasphemy to even think but the coaching change could very well extend this thing.
4) Home Field - I agree totally. If folks don't want to credit MNW with anything else they should tip there cap's to them for making the long trip into hostile territory. That's huge on their part.
5) Big game experience - No doubt. Again I will say that MNW is the defending champions in the biggest classification in FL. That might not meet Texas' standards, but they certainly have been apart of som big games, on TV etc. Not an attack on MNW at all. What I'm saying is these kids have been under a microscope for 5 years now, working on the sixth. The coverage, exposure, questions, fans & haters have been all over this program like nothing anyone's ever seen. MNW is a name program and they got alot of pub last year but you know no state is as insane for football as Texas is. Nothing to do with quality or standards, I'm speaking directly to the pressure put on kids to win here. Carroll has been down and almost out several times in the last 80 games, nine of which have been broadcast & one of which was played in front of 50,000 people. They have responded every time except once, coming up short by one point. MNW doesn't have that in quantity/variety or quality. Just a fact.
6)Defense - The DB's for both teams will not be lining up against each other. The question in my opinion is how they matchup. I think both offenses match up much better than the defenses. The question is to what degree. Because of the talent for MNW and lack of experience(and height) for SLC,I would give the nod to the Bulls. I go the other way and believe Carroll wins in a shootout. The Dragons offense presents more problems for the Bulls than vice versa. The depth is what tips the scales. Carroll will be able to run 4-5 receivers at the Bulls at any given time, all quality. Not the best receiver in the nation, just 5 guys that will probably all play some level of college ball. Their fast too, which is a point I think gets overlooked. We have no questions at rb. Dodge rushed over a grand himself last year. MNW has not seen this offense executed at this level with this talent level perform for 4 quarters. Their contain will break. They take plays off. Carroll will not & these kids have a ton of experience defending high powered offenses. In the end, the young Carroll D has to account for fewer weapons.



I believe this will be a phenominal game, no question. I just see Carroll as having the upper hand.:cool:

[SLC93]

By the way Pied, thanks for the level headed arguement. This is a hot button topic. That makes it hard to debate sometimes:D

[dragonsdaddy]

on the coaching front, how often has mnw had to contend with a more athletic team? i get the impression that they are moreso than more of their opponents than slc is. if that is so, will they be as adept at scheming to outplay a more formidable opponent, or will it be a new proposition for them. after watching an admittedly dated video, i'd say emphatically no. i guess we'll see soon enough.

[pied]

By the way Pied, thanks for the level headed arguement. This is a hot button topic. That makes it hard to debate sometimes:D

No problem. I understand what you are saying and agree with much of it.

My opinions:
SLC's D has been their weaker point and they were much improved last year over '05. From all accounts, much of the improvement was due to senior leadership as much as anything else. That is gone, as is the coaching staff.

Can the new guys step up? Very possible, they could be better you never know. The guys that will be in the backfield might be great players and many have discussed that they will provide a good foundation for a couple of years. What I think is that I would rather have more experience, and more height, than three new starters playing in their 2nd or 3rd game together. This is a very good offense, and I can not think of another team that will offer the same match up issues of teams that SLC has faced.

The QB, Jacory Harris is a better runner than passer, but will probably be ranked in the top 10-15 QB's in the land I think.

The team may respond better to Wasson than Dodge amy be worse. You just never know w/16-17 year olds.

I will be here(unless I go to Disney to watch Texas-UCF), and will be rooting for SLC just like I did REL in Ohio and Lamar in Florida. I cannot, ignore what appears to me to be a pretty good squad and a tough match up for SLC.

For what it's worth, I was saying the opposite about DLS last fall when we thought that was going to tbe the game. I thought SLC matched up way better against the Spartans.

[Favpack]

on the coaching front, how often has mnw had to contend with a more athletic team? i get the impression that they are moreso than more of their opponents than slc is. if that is so, will they be as adept at scheming to outplay a more formidable opponent, or will it be a new proposition for them. after watching an admittedly dated video, i'd say emphatically no. i guess we'll see soon enough.

Assuming NW is as athletic as we think - wouldn't surprise me to see them go up 21-7, maybe worse. But, the good 'ol adjustments will be made, and assignments (coverages) will be missed - and the NW celebratory woofin' will come to an abrupt end around mid-3rd qtr.

And, that's a best case scenario for the Miami kids.

[pied]

on the coaching front, how often has mnw had to contend with a more athletic team? i get the impression that they are moreso than more of their opponents than slc is. if that is so, will they be as adept at scheming to outplay a more formidable opponent, or will it be a new proposition for them. after watching an admittedly dated video, i'd say emphatically no. i guess we'll see soon enough.

For all their talk(the fans that is) I do not think that the Bulls have played a team near the sophistication and execution of SLC. They will be struggling and their heads will be spinning.

I think SLC will need a lot of quick plays to neutralize the line, which will be as big/fast/strong as they have faced.

[dragonsdaddy]

For all their talk(the fans that is) I do not think that the Bulls have played a team near the sophistication and execution of SLC. They will be struggling and their heads will be spinning.

I think SLC will need a lot of quick plays to neutralize the line, which will be as big/fast/strong as they have faced.

the screen pass is your friend.

[pied]

SLC93-It appears you have watched them on film. I am curious as to your observations as to theiur discipline. After watching much of the title game w/LB, I did not notice much of what I thought I might. I did not see any showboating/ate hits/etc. Had I not heard their reputation I would not have imagined they wre different than many other teams.

Curious to see your impressions.

[pied]

the screen pass is your friend.

As is the delay hand off to Tre, which I hope to see a lot of.

[drgnbkr]

I'm over here in Florida and talked with a parent of a player who played against MNW last year. I told him about our upcoming game and he asked me what my impressions were and I told him I believed Carroll would be much more disciplined and better coached than MNW. He said not to assume that and that the MNW kids, while very good athletes, had also come up from middle school learning the system they run. He said they will definately miss the graduating running back as he was all-world and was the major force on offense...His son, by the way played LB, is 6'3" 245 and is headed to Rutgers on a football scholly. While I understand what he was telling me, it is all still relative to what they were learning in middle school and what they are running now. We will see, but it's hard to imagine them outscheming the Dragons.....It will be an outstanding confrontation for a lot of reasons..He said he will most definately be in front of the tv that night and had heard of Carroll.

[SLC93]

SLC93-It appears you have watched them on film. I am curious as to your observations as to theiur discipline. After watching much of the title game w/LB, I did not notice much of what I thought I might. I did not see any showboating/ate hits/etc. Had I not heard their reputation I would not have imagined they wre different than many other teams.

Curious to see your impressions.

They were on their best behavior that week. If you'll remember they had alot of eyes on them because it was the title game but, more so, due to all the negative publicity Easterling's situation drew. I saw a few of their district games, including the slaughter of Central. While it wasn't the worst I saw, it was poor sportsmanship. Their defense may struggle in front of a large noisy crowd & in Carroll messes with the snap count. They like to jump. They Dline overcommits with regularity and individual did not maintain their assignments. the ground rin front of the linebackers and directly behind them was often begging for someone to exploit it. Carroll makes a living on finding these nuances & it's in those type of areas that the team overtakes the talent.

[yankee]

the screen pass is your friend.

brainard or freeman. and then just let 'em go...

[RidgePride]

For what it's worth, I was saying the opposite about DLS last fall when we thought that was going to tbe the game. I thought SLC matched up way better against the Spartans.

I think it is the opposite. I imagine DLS to be like an Austin Westlake or Katy. Those type of teams are better suited to beat Carroll.

A team that relies on Athleticism is a better match up for Carroll IMO.

[RidgePride]

the screen pass is your friend.

1st play of the game screen pass may go for a TD.