My rankings

[Fleeman93]

The only real way to have a good ranking system is to rank the teams you have seen play. Based on the teams I have watched in person this year my rankings would look like this:

North Shore - 1
Westfield - 1
Katy - 3
Woodlands - 1
Humble - 1
Pearland - 1
A&M Consolidated - 1
Memorial - 2
Langham Creek - 2
Katy Taylor - 1
Elsik - 1
Jersey Village - 1
Eisenhower - 1
Cy Ridge - 1

The number next to the team shows how many games I have seen the team play.

[Redneckn]

I'm curious. That's almost 2 games a week. How'd you do that?

[Fleeman93]

With the Cy Fair district being so big that district almost always has a Thursday game. A love for TX HS football also.

[SLCDad]

The only real way to have a good ranking system is to rank the teams you have seen play. Based on the teams I have watched in person this year my rankings would look like this:

North Shore - 1
Westfield - 1
Katy - 3
Woodlands - 1
Humble - 1
Pearland - 1
A&M Consolidated - 1
Memorial - 2
Langham Creek - 2
Katy Taylor - 1
Elsik - 1
Jersey Village - 1
Eisenhower - 1
Cy Ridge - 1

The number next to the team shows how many games I have seen the team play.Sometimes all of the personal rankings get tiresome. However, this list is the worst yet. Why would anyone be interested in your rankings of the teams you've seen play? Just wondering. What's the point of this post?

[Fleeman93]

Well lets think about this your greatness. The only fair way to do a ranking is to base it on teams you have seen play. Everyone complains about the national rankings because they are so subjective because no one gets the chance to see all of the teams play. I will go on to say that in my opinion, SLCDAD, you are one nof the idiots that give SLC a bad name. If you don't like the thread then don't comment on it. I'm sure some people in the Houston area might like a little objective input on some of their teams.

[Redneckn]

With the Cy Fair district being so big that district almost always has a Thursday game. A love for TX HS football also.


That's dedication. I guess if it werent for tv I might catch a Thurs game around here.. But then, there would actually have to be team worth going to see in Austin. *stab at Austin teams*


Forget what SLCDad has to say. People like me that kind of new to Texas football appreciate your opinion.

[Fleeman93]

I appreciate that Redneckn. I figured someone might be interested in my thoughts. And people ask me why I think some SLC fans are arrogant.

[SLCDad]

Well lets think about this your greatness. The only fair way to do a ranking is to base it on teams you have seen play. Everyone complains about the national rankings because they are so subjective because no ones gets the chance to see all of the teams play. I will go on to say that in my opinion, SLCDAD, you are one nof the idiots that give SLC a bad name. If you don't like the thread then don't comment on it. I'm sure some people in the Houston area might like a little objective input on some of their teams.I was just wondering why your personal list of watched teams was valuable to anyone? What's the point?

[Fleeman93]

How would you rank teams? Based on what you think or what you have seen? SLCDAD basing it on what YOU think won't get YOU very far. Let me guess, you are one of the people that have no basis whatsoever for ranking SLC #1, yet you do.........?

[SLCDad]

How would you rank teams? Based on what you think or what you have seen? SLCDAD basing it on what YOU think won't get YOU very far. Let me guess, you are one of the people that have no basis whatsoever for ranking SLC #1, yet you do.........?Stupid personal attacks aside, the fact remains, a ranking of only the teams that you have seen is pointless and of little or no value. That's how I see it.

[dragonfootballfan]

Posting your own personal top ten is not necessary for a new thread. This information would have been a lot better if it were put in one of the many other top ten threads that have already been started

[Fleeman93]

Again, dragon fan, it isn't a top 10 list. It is a list of how I would rank the teams that I have seen play. I'm sure there are some people in region III that might be interested. For what it is worth SLC is not the #1 team in TX nor will they win state (just my opinion). I stand by you being an idiot SLCDAD. Personal attack or not.

[dragonsdaddy]

Well lets think about this your greatness. The only fair way to do a ranking is to base it on teams you have seen play. Everyone complains about the national rankings because they are so subjective because no ones gets the chance to see all of the teams play. I will go on to say that in my opinion, SLCDAD, you are one nof the idiots that give SLC a bad name. If you don't like the thread then don't comment on it. I'm sure some people in the Houston area might like a little objective input on some of their teams.

flee, while i agree with the concept of your premise, it is very narrow in scope and thus very close to useless, and it is as far from objective as anything can get. pull out the dictionary and i think you'll agree with me. it is purely and utterly subjective.

[SLCDad]

Again, Dragonfan, it isn't a top 10 list. It is a list of how I would rank the teams that I have seen play. I'm sure there are some people in region III that might be interested. For what it is worth SLC is not the #1 team in TX nor will they win state (just my opinion). I stand by you being an idiot SLCDAD. Personal attack or not.OK. If you insist. Anything to make you feel better about yourself.

[Fleeman93]

Is it more or less subjective than creating a list of teams you have never seen play a game of footbal? Do you think SLC is better than Westfield for example?

[Fleeman93]

flee, while i agree with the concept of your premise, it is very narrow in scope and thus very close to useless, and it is as far from objective as anything can get. pull out the dictionary and i think you'll agree with me. it is purely and utterly subjective.

Is it narrow that this very website ranks teams by region? Is that not narrow in the large scope of state rankings?

[lonny23]

Boy, this is a tough crowd around here!

[Fleeman93]

There is absolutly with out a doubt no 100% objective way to rank teams you have never seen play. With that said, every ranking system is subjective. What I purposed as a list of teams that I have seen play is much better than just guessing about teams. I'm not sure if you people are slow or not but I am not saying that these teams are the best in the state. I know that SLC is better than some of the teams on this list, Just not all of them.

[Fleeman93]

Notice lonny that the only people to criticize the list I offered are SLC fans. I guess if they don't see their team listed then it hurts their poor feelings.

[dragonfootballfan]

Notice lonny that the only people to criticize the list I offered are SLC fans. I guess if they don't see their team listed then it hurts their poor feelings.
I just want to tell you that I did not mean to criticize you, I was trying to sort of justify what SLCDAD was saying.

[dragonfootballfan]

BTW, since you have seen Langham Creek's quarterback twice, is he as good as advertised? One of my friends was telling me about this kid before the season started and said that he was really good

[Fleeman93]

Posting your own personal top ten is not necessary for a new thread. This information would have been a lot better if it were put in one of the many other top ten threads that have already been started

Did you determine that it was not necessary? Now that you mention it, it probably was not necessary for you seeing that SLC is not one nof the teams that I have seen play THIS YEAR.

[Fleeman93]

BTW, since you have seen Langham Creek's quarterback twice, is he as good as advertised? One of my friends was telling me about this kid before the season started and said that he was really good

Yes, he appears to be good from what I can tell. Hard to tell how good he is based on some of the competition Langham has played, but I think he is a good quarterback. Makes some poor choices at times, but all QBs do.

[dragonsdaddy]

Notice lonny that the only people to criticize the list I offered are SLC fans. I guess if they don't see their team listed then it hurts their poor feelings.
gosh you take compliments hard. i agreed with the concept, just not calling it objective. use proper definitions and i wouldn't have commented at all. in fact, just don't use words that are exactly opposite of what you mean to say, and you might get away with it. i would much prefer that people rank what they have actually seen, instead of what we get mostly from the national and even many state polls. lucky for us, we will get to use your and every other poll to line the birdcage once the po's roll around.

[ktchamp97]

Boy, this is a tough crowd around here!

Goodness...no kidding!

Saying this list is useless is far more narrow minded than the list itself.

[dragonsdaddy]

Goodness...no kidding!

Saying this list is useless is far more narrow minded than the list itself.
if you are referring to me, i said close to useless. tell me how you will actually benefit from this subjective analysis. he has done more research than almost anyone else as far as the first 4 weeks of the season is concerned. will his reseach allow others to pick better pick ems teams? on a state wide board, it is not always helpful, though never hurtful to get some opinions. maybe we all ought to be limited to commenting or ranking just the teams we have witnessed.

[Fleeman93]

gosh you take compliments hard. i agreed with the concept, just not calling it objective. use proper definitions and i wouldn't have commented at all. in fact, just don't use words that are exactly opposite of what you mean to say, and you might get away with it. i would much prefer that people rank what they have actually seen, instead of what we get mostly from the national and even many state polls. lucky for us, we will get to use your and every other poll to line the birdcage once the po's roll around.

Where did I ever say that it was an objective list? I think my list is undistorted by emotion or personal bias, which would make it objective, but I never called it that.

[ktchamp97]

No, it wasn't directed at you ddaddy. I just didn't see the problem with the original post that others did. Maybe he could've worded it differently...like "Top Ten Teams I've Seen" or something like that. I think there is some value to what he's said, as far as, based on the teams he's seen, he thinks that North Shore is better than Katy and so on. Again, I just didn't see the big problem with his post.

[dada]

Yes, he appears to be good from what I can tell. Hard to tell how good he is based on some of the competition Langham has played, but I think he is a good quarterback. Makes some poor choices at times, but all QBs do.
This Qb is the real deal....not a good team, but so far he has them with 3 more wins than they had last year...almost had a 4th win this weekend.

[dragonsdaddy]

Where did I ever say that it was an objective list? I think my list is undistorted by emotion or personal bias, which would make it objective, but I never called it that.
post #5 references objectivity. your claim of a non-biased viewpoint lends some credence. who do you back, btw?

[Fleeman93]

post #5 references objectivity. your claim of a non-biased viewpoint lends some credence. who do you back, btw?

I stand corrected Dragonsdaddy. I did say objective and by the definition of objective that is exactly what I gave, my objective opinion on the ranking of the teams I have seen play. If you are asking which team I support then the answer would be Katy.

[dragonsdaddy]

I stand corrected Dragonsdaddy. I did say objective and by the definition of objective that is exactly what I gave, my objective opinion on the ranking of the teams I have seen play. If you are asking which team I support then the answer would be Katy.
1. free of bias: free of any bias or prejudice caused by personal feelings


2. based on facts: based on facts rather than thoughts or opinions


i guess i am now questioning your degree of bias. if i am a fan of a team, and i am rating said team along with several others, i doubt you would be considered by anyone anywhere as unbiased. therefore using either definition doesn't make this an objective list.

[Fleeman93]

1. free of bias: free of any bias or prejudice caused by personal feelings


2. based on facts: based on facts rather than thoughts or opinions


i guess i am now questioning your degree of bias. if i am a fan of a team, and i am rating said team along with several others, i doubt you would be considered by anyone anywhere as unbiased. therefore using either definition doesn't make this an objective list.

Fair enough, but I will bet you that there isn't a person in this forum that will argue that Katy is at worst third of the teams I have on my list. I would dare to say that some would rank them above at least North Shore, but I don't.

[toonman]

The only real way to have a good ranking system is to rank the teams you have seen play. Based on the teams I have watched in person this year my rankings would look like this:

North Shore - 1
Westfield - 1
Katy - 3
Woodlands - 1
Humble - 1
Pearland - 1
A&M Consolidated - 1
Memorial - 2
Langham Creek - 2
Katy Taylor - 1
Elsik - 1
Jersey Village - 1
Eisenhower - 1
Cy Ridge - 1

The number next to the team shows how many games I have seen the team play.



My ranking of the teams I have seen :-

1). Dallas Carter Cowboys 1988 - as seen on Friday Night Lights
2). Alexandria TG Williams Titans 1971 - as seen on Remember the Titans
3). Midland Lee 1988 - as seen on Friday Night Lights
4). Odessa Permian Panthers 1988 - same movie
5). West Canaan 1999 - As seen in the movie Varsity Blues

The relevance of this list? - None what so ever - the same as Fleemans List - No relevance at all to anyone, except Fleeman.

[Fleeman93]

My ranking of the teams I have seen :-

1). Dallas Carter Cowboys 1988 - as seen on Friday Night Lights
2). Alexandria TG Williams Titans 1971 - as seen on Remember the Titans
3). Midland Lee 1988 - as seen on Friday Night Lights
4). Odessa Permian Panthers 1988 - same movie
5). West Canaan 1999 - As seen in the movie Varsity Blues

The relevance of this list? - None what so ever - the same as Fleemans List - No relevance at all to anyone, except Fleeman.

I think we have established relevance. We have just not established importance to you Cartoon.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I like your reasoning for giving your personal rankings, based on who you've seen in person. Most people haven't seen 90% of the top 25 teams, yet we all have an opinion based on heresay and stats. It makes perfect sense to have watched these teams play, then rank them as to how good you think each one is.

Now whether that will help anyone on this site with their own State Top 25 is beyond me.

But I understand where you're coming from.

[Fleeman93]

Honestly I really wasn't trying to help anyone with their top 25. Just thought I would offer up my UNBIASED opinion on a select few teams.

[DragonFan]

Fleeman,

You have ranked only the teams that you have seen. As such, I believe it is as accurate as you can make it. It is an interesting observation on the teams that are listed but has very little bearing on how those teams rank up next to other teams that you have not seen.

As your own personal poll, I think it works just fine. I admire your dedication to going and supporting the teams in your area. I will also invite you to come to the Metroplex this year and take in a couple of games up here so that they could be added to your list. I would like to know your opinion after you have seen a Euless Trinity game or a SLC game. I know that SLC will be on TV against Denton Ryan on a Thursday night game so you might be able to add them to your list at that time.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Fleeman,

You have ranked only the teams that you have seen. As such, I believe it is as accurate as you can make it. It is an interesting observation on the teams that are listed but has very little bearing on how those teams rank up next to other teams that you have not seen.

As your own personal poll, I think it works just fine. I admire your dedication to going and supporting the teams in your area. I will also invite you to come to the Metroplex this year and take in a couple of games up here so that they could be added to your list. I would like to know your opinion after you have seen a Euless Trinity game or a SLC game. I know that SLC will be on TV against Denton Ryan on a Thursday night game so you might be able to add them to your list at that time.

I agree!

[Fleeman93]

The rankings that I have provided are certainly not a reflection of the full state rankings. I could make some educated guesses at state rankings, but guesses is all that they would be. I do plan on catching as many games as I can including whatever I can catch on TV. I really would love to see Trinity and Longview, but that is a stretch. Have any of you guys seen both Trinity and SLC play this year? If so what are your thoughts?

[t00 playa]

subjective, objective, bias, opinions... blah blah blah!

how dare someone call someone out on a board that is 99% based on biased opinions! If we all knew who the best players were and who was gonna do what during the season and which teams were better than others at the beginning of the season.. then what would we have to talk about????? This entire board is opinionated and I bet anyone can go fish out a comment or post where particular people were being biased, and giving thier own unwanted opinion.. Im in the group that says, if you don't like someones opinion, then don't comment on it and just because you dont care for thier opinion.. doesn't mean you speak on behalf of the rest of the board community. I agree.. look what happened when southlake wasnt on a top ten list.. you guys came ut of nowhere critizing and trying to undermine a persons post about ranking the teams that he has actually seen play.. I bet you southlake people your boys over westfield in your polls yet.. most (99% again) not seen westfield play this year.. so.. what validates YOUR poll? and last year or the past does not validate polls for this year... just give it a rest with the criticism... this is a message board in which 99% of the posts and comments are opinions... thats what makes it interesting... different opinions, and reasonings behind them....

late

[Fleeman93]

Dasho your opinion sucks! :)

[t00 playa]

Dasho your opinion sucks! :)


i know! thats why i feed it to you guys so often! :D

[Fleeman93]

I do like your team though. At first they looked a little sloppy in their opener against Elsik then they just turned it on. I think you guys have a lot of work to do, but you have all the tools to get it done. As I said before your program as a group is the hardest hitting I have ever seen. A lot of fun to watch.

[SLCDad]

Honestly I really wasn't trying to help anyone with their top 25. Just thought I would offer up my UNBIASED opinion on a select few teams.You think you have no bias? Really?

[Fleeman93]

Not based on the rankings I listed. Unlike SLC fan, I don't think Katy is the best team in the state right now. Nor do I think they are the best team in the region. If I had any bias at all it would be toward Katy.

[t00 playa]

I do like your team though. At first they looked a little sloppy in their opener against Elsik then they just turned it on. I think you guys have a lot of work to do, but you have all the tools to get it done. As I said before your program as a group is the hardest hitting I have ever seen. A lot of fun to watch.


we do have a lot of work to do.... and i agree about the hitting... they do bring it when making a hit.....but for right now.. i think katy and westfield are definite frontrunners in region III

but i would say North shore is number 2 in houston.... behind westfield and katy which would be a toss up for #1

[Fleeman93]

It will be brutal if Katy ends up going DI with North Shore and Westfield. Will certainly be some good football.

[Favpack]

I admire your support - kudos for sure - but, take a road trip dude ;) -- either north or northeast.

[dragonsdaddy]

How would you rank teams? Based on what you think or what you have seen? SLCDAD basing it on what YOU think won't get YOU very far. Let me guess, you are one of the people that have no basis whatsoever for ranking SLC #1, yet you do.........?
here's my very subjective, very limited, but apparently obligatory ranking of the teams i have seen

#1-slc(i am not at all unbiased)
#45-mlee
#75-coppell
#125-plano east

[t00 playa]

here's my very subjective, very limited, but apparently obligatory ranking of the teams i have seen

#1-slc(i am not at all unbiased)
#45-mlee
#75-coppell
#125-plano east


yep, we all knew southlake fan was gonna eventually throw in rankings of thier own with them on top... im just surprised it took this long :p

[Fleeman93]

here's my very subjective, very limited, but apparently obligatory ranking of the teams i have seen

#1-slc(i am not at all unbiased)
#45-mlee
#75-coppell
#125-plano east

No one said you had to give your opinion.

[SLCDad]

yep, we all knew southlake fan was gonna eventually throw in rankings of thier own with them on top... im just surprised it took this long :pJust in case you missed it, dragonsdaddy has his tongue planted firmly in his cheek.

[t00 playa]

Just in case you missed it, dragonsdaddy has his tongue planted firmly in his cheek.


and that means??? what? its sort of a... im joking but im really not sort of post.... :D

[SLCDad]

and that means??? what? its sort of a... im joking but im really not sort of post.... :DI believe he used absurdity to illustrate absurdity.

[dragonsdaddy]

since we are only ranking teams we've seen, i couldn't in any way shape or form rank any team but slc first.

[dragonsdaddy]

No one said you had to give your opinion.
i felt as obliged as you did.

[Fleeman93]

I agree, SLC most likely would be number 1 on that list.

[Fleeman93]

i felt as obliged as you did.

Obligatory - Imposing or recording an obligation

[dragonsdaddy]

thanks, but my vocab is fine. it conveyed exactly what it intended.

[Fleeman93]

Well I was not OBLIGATED to start this thread and none of you that are being critical were OBLIGATED to respond or be ******. Did I get my point across?

[dragonsdaddy]

i still felt as obligated as you did then. we had just as many people begging us to provide our "polls". it's all relative.

[Fleeman93]

i still felt as obligated as you did then. we had just as many people begging us to provide our "polls". it's all relative.

Again:

Obligatory - Imposing or recording an obligation

There was no obligation on my part to start this thread. If you felt any obligation at all then you felt something I didn't. The only obligation was being a ***** on your part.

[SLCDad]

i still felt as obligated as you did then. we had just as many people begging us to provide our "polls". it's all relative.In my case I started a whole new thread. I thought it was important to do so.

[Fleeman93]

As far as I know Daddy no one on the this board is obligated to start a thread but they do. Are they all wrong as well? It was my choice to post it. It was your choice to read it.

[t00 playa]

I believe he used absurdity to illustrate absurdity.

well obviously you and your boy have put yourselves right in the middle of this so called "absurdity" so what does that make you? certainly not the bigger person thats for sure, and just because you can use a thesaurus doesn't impress the rest of us. :eek:

[dragonsdaddy]

same here.

[DrEdward]

Has this thread given anyone else a headache?

[dragonsdaddy]

this thread and i have grown tiresome. i apologize to all concerned. if i could go back, i would have ignored the word-meaning inaccuracy and maybe spared everyone this waste of trons. i'm truly sorry.

[Redneckn]

Well, no.. No headache here.. Although a little insulted.. I mean , I clearly told the thread starter that I appreciated his opinion as I am new to Texas football.
Then the whole thing just kind of took off and after reading the posts it seems as though somebody thinks that my wanting to know must not matter so the whole thread was pointless.

It seems as though somebody from the SLC area is just itching for a fight or something... I dont get it.

[dragonsdaddy]

i am wondering if fleeman had seen the slc game vs haltom and/or pesh and /or keller last year, where he would have ranked slc. they would very likely, when taken tangentially like i propose , have been a 1-2 and done team. a one game assessment of any team is very likely inaccurate and not representative. it is better than guessing, but can lead to moderately limited data and you know the lingo-garbage in..................

[ktrain]

i am wondering if fleeman had seen the slc game vs haltom and/or pesh and /or keller last year, where he would have ranked slc. they would very likely, when taken tangentially like i propose , have been a 1-2 and done team. a one game assessment of any team is very likely inaccurate and not representative. it is better than guessing, but can lead to moderately limited data and you know the lingo-garbage in..................
I thought this was an open forum where anyone could state their opinion. Not just opinions that put SLC at number one. The content of the post was stated upfront, you should have moved on if you didnt care for it. You can use all the big dollar words you like but when you post its still - you know the lingo-garbage..................

[Fleeman93]

i am wondering if fleeman had seen the slc game vs haltom and/or pesh and /or keller last year, where he would have ranked slc. they would very likely, when taken tangentially like i propose , have been a 1-2 and done team. a one game assessment of any team is very likely inaccurate and not representative. it is better than guessing, but can lead to moderately limited data and you know the lingo-garbage in..................

I guess pre season rankings are just a huge fat waste of time since they are based on no data at all. My rankings were based on some data unlike your bias toward your team. SLC will not win state this year.

[dragonsdaddy]

thanks. i feel the same way only moreso about you, too. now back to the premise- is one game enough to get any sort of an accurate assessment of a team. you certainly get some idea about the quality of the athletes and the schemes the team runs, but not always an accurate look at the real team. ex- tlee isn't as bad as they appeared this weekend. the letdown and the circus from the travel and the bright lights of ohio took their toll. if tlee v trinity was your only opportunity to see either team, the descriptors of the participants would flount trinity(likely accurately) and filet tlee. they'll likely meet again this year in the po's, and i bet it is a lot better, closer game.

[Favpack]

Maybe we could take up a collection and have FM or someone else actually go watch all top 10 teams play - would it be that hard? - you'd go from the Austin/SA area up NW to Abilene, out east on I-20 to big D, keep trucking to Longview, back down 59 to through Lufkin to Houston and back home.

Any takers?

[dragonsdaddy]

I guess pre season rankings are just a huge fat waste of time since they are based on no data at all. My rankings were based on some data unlike your bias toward your team. SLC will not win state this year.
they are mostly garbage, esp any power rankings. as long as everyone is aware of any short-comings, like your predictions on things you claim not to have seen, i'm all for it.

[Fleeman93]

SLC will not win state this year.

Now that was subjective since I can't stand arrogant ******. I just don't think you select few understand how you come across to others.

[dragonsdaddy]

i guess we all have our biases. some claim not to but they are very difficult to rid oneself of. not to worry, your vote as will mine will summarily be dismissed when the selections are actually made as to who plays who where. all my opinions are subjective, unlike yours.

[drgnbkr]

Wow, this thread really took off...untill I see a better team, I will go ahead & give the title to Carroll...I love the programs at Katy, Lufkin and others, but Carroll just has too much..

[ktrain]

Wow, this thread really took off...untill I see a better team, I will go ahead & give the title to Carroll...I love the programs at Katy, Lufkin and others, but Carroll just has too much..

If your talking about b/s your right, Carroll just has to much!

[t00 playa]

If your talking about b/s your right, Carroll just has to much!


agreed.. this thread was a classic example of what happens when someone doesnt even think about or mention SLC.. and how thier fans get their tighty whities in a tangle, in fact.. this thread had nothing to do with SLC, but you see what happens? they call this thread pointless.. but yet they placed themselves right smack in the middle of it which makes them look just as pointless as they try to make everyone else out to be. Point made. Move on.

[lonny23]

agreed.. this thread was a classic example of what happens when someone doesnt even think about or mention SLC.. and how thier fans get their tighty whities in a tangle, in fact.. this thread had nothing to do with SLC, but you see what happens? they call this thread pointless.. but yet they placed themselves right smack in the middle of it which makes them look just as pointless as they try to make everyone else out to be. Point made. Move on.
Well said. I like new threads because it would be boring without the new threads. I can even appreciate the worst threads and comments from the worst people on the board.