Springdale, ARK... [Archive] - 5A Texas Football Forum

NewSherriffInTown

09-18-2005, 06:50 PM

drgnbkr

09-18-2005, 06:54 PM

Somebody posted that they had seen Springdale play and that they looked pretty solid.....

Arazorback

09-18-2005, 06:57 PM

Went to the game. Terrible atmosphere. Worst rendition of The Star Spangled Banner I've ever heard. Cheerleaders took cheers off. Drunk fans got into fights. Guys yelled and made little girls cry.

Springdale is one of the most talented teams I have ever seen play though. It all starts up front and Jenks D-line just couldn't get any pressure. Mustain made some REAL tough passes that hit right on target. Cleaveland was a beast. Two great recievers.

Texasfrog

09-18-2005, 07:01 PM

I know this is the texas forum, but did anyone notice that Springdale blasted the heck out of Jenks, OK??

I've been sick of Jenks for years and years. I've never seen them play, but I've always felt that they were probably NEVER as good as people thought, they finally venture out and get WALLOPPED. I would never rank them or Tulsa Union ever again.

Ya.. I posted the score Friday night.

Second. Again you need to learn the game. Jenks and Tulsa Union have had teams over the years that could play with anyone and beat anyone.

It was one game slippy against a probably the #1 team in Arkansas and one of the top teams in the country (Springdale, Ark) at their house.

I guess you werent here a couple of years ago when Tulsa Union dismantled one of California stronger teams (two years in a row) like 50-14 both times. I believe the team was Clovis West.

You never seem to amaze me your total lack of knowledge about High school football. Jenks goes to Arkansas and plays one of the stronger teams in Arkansas history (Springdale) and gets walloped and all the sudden "all the Jenks and Union teams" over the years have sucked huh ???!!!

Wow. Learn the game novice.

To think you made a whole thread to tell everyone how much you believe Jenks and Union has sucked over the years is completely "insane."

By the way Junior. You say Texas teams dont play defense ???

Longview beat West Monroe = 21-0
Texas High beat ECA = 45-0 or something like that.
Trinity beat Tyler Lee = 44-14

Hmmmm. looks like some Texas teams are playing defense huh !!

Garland02

09-18-2005, 07:02 PM

I watched them blow out ECA on TV a few weeks ago, looked impressive, but seems like several teams have blown out ECA.

drgnbkr

09-18-2005, 07:16 PM

Ya.. I posted the score Friday night.

Second. Again you need to learn the game. Jenks and Tulsa Union have had teams over the years that could play with anyone and beat anyone.

It was one game slippy against a probably the #1 team in Arkansas and one of the top teams in the country (Springdale, Ark) at their house.

I guess you werent here a couple of years ago when Tulsa Union dismantled one of California stronger teams (two years in a row) like 50-14 both times. I believe the team was Clovis West.

You never seem to amaze me your total lack of knowledge about High school football. Jenks goes to Arkansas and plays one of the stronger teams in Arkansas history (Springdale) and gets walloped and all the sudden "all the Jenks and Union teams" over the years have sucked huh ???!!!

Wow. Learn the game novice.

To think you made a whole thread to tell everyone how much you believe Jenks and Union has sucked over the years is completely "insane."

By the way Junior. You say Texas teams dont play defense ???

Longview beat West Monroe = 21-0
Texas High beat ECA = 45-0 or something like that.
Trinity beat Tyler Lee = 44-14

Hmmmm. looks like some Texas teams are playing defense huh !!

Why do you want to rip on sherriff so hard?.......

NewSherriffInTown

09-18-2005, 07:17 PM

I didn't say that Springdale wasn't good. They look like they could be the best in the country.

As for beating on the La. teams, it looks like they have zero offense. And using a Trinity-Lee score???

Lee scored a whopping 21 points against Waco, and was bamboozled by Colerain. They are not a very good team.

Your great knowledge of football made everyone in the state of texas look stupid because you pumped Lee up so much for months and now look. They aren't even a good team.

Lee had a tough game with Chaminade and you made it seem like they were the greatest in the world just so Texas would still look good. Oh...they are 2-2 already.

NewSherriffInTown

09-18-2005, 07:18 PM

Why do you want to rip on sherriff so hard?.......

He's got it out for me because I know what he is all about. He's been proved wrong so many times of this forum that if he keeps saying things over and over and over, he knows people will believe it.

drgnbkr

09-18-2005, 07:24 PM

I guess frog does'nt have concha to argue with and your the new target...Can't we all just get along?..... ;)

Redneckn

09-18-2005, 07:34 PM

I watched them blow out ECA on TV a few weeks ago, looked impressive, but seems like several teams have blown out ECA.

3 teams this year have blown ECA out. There wont be anymore of that this year. ECA has just recruited Preist Holms and Brett Favre.
OK. not really.. They're going into district play. 1A.

Springdale is a good team and they have a really good gunslinger at QB.
I don't think there is anyone in Ark,La, or Ok that could touch them right now. And I think they would top most Texas teams as well. SLC or ET would give them a good run.. But other than that.. I dont think so.. But I could be wrong.

Arazorback

09-18-2005, 07:43 PM

Jenks could not move the ball at all against the Springdale D. They looked really really bad. Bad playcalling by coaching staff didn't help them either.

Texasfrog

09-18-2005, 07:44 PM

I guess frog does'nt have concha to argue with and your the new target...Can't we all just get along?..... ;)

Na.. his always making little "shots" at Texas football. Before this weekend his last little shot was Texas teams dont play defense.

Now, he makes a whole thread and proclaims " Jenks and Union" should never be ranked again because Springdale, Ark beat Jenks like 44-0.

One freaking game against one of the best teams in Arkansas history. Probably the #1 team "ever" in Arkansas. Now, all the sudden Jenks and Union have always "sucked" I guess according to him.

He would of said Katy "sucked" after they got beat by Lufkin in game one a few years ago like 35-14. That would be before Katy went on to win like 15 straight and win the Texas Title by beating SLC.

It just amazes that someone can proclaim that a program isnt any good because they lost to Probably a "legit" National Top #5 team (Springdale, Ark).

I've seen about 10 Jenks and Union games over the last 6 or so years. They've had a few teams in the span that would play with anyone and could beat anyone.

But, Sherriff is telling us that they "suck" because Springdale beat Jenks. Oh well.

Texasfrog

09-18-2005, 07:48 PM

3 teams this year have blown ECA out. There wont be anymore of that this year. ECA has just recruited Preist Holms and Brett Favre.
OK. not really.. They're going into district play. 1A.

Springdale is a good team and they have a really good gunslinger at QB.
I don't think there is anyone in Ark,La, or Ok that could touch them right now. And I think they would top most Texas teams as well. SLC or ET would give them a good run.. But other than that.. I dont think so.. But I could be wrong.

Na,, that Springdale team is legit and would be a Top # 5 team in Texas.

But, I guess Jenks and Union are just worthless now and their programs arent worth anything because Springdale beat Jenks.

PS. I could be wrong but didnt they play a few years ago and I believe Jenks beat Springdale. I could be wrong about that.

I know ECA beat Springdale the first time they played and it wasnt that close. I think it was like 38-10 or something like that.

Garland02

09-18-2005, 07:48 PM

Jenks could not move the ball at all against the Springdale D. They looked really really bad. Bad playcalling by coaching staff didn't help them either.

Was this game on TV yesterday......on fox directional sports?
And if so, anyone know when a replay will be aired?

Lobo9498

09-18-2005, 07:50 PM

Ya.. I posted the score Friday night.

By the way Junior. You say Texas teams dont play defense ???

Longview beat West Monroe = 21-0
Texas High beat ECA = 45-0 or something like that.
Trinity beat Tyler Lee = 44-14

Hmmmm. looks like some Texas teams are playing defense huh !!

Longview blew out ECA 52-14, the 14 coming off back-to-back kickoff returns in the 1st quarter. The Lobo D held ECA to 69 yards rushing, 31 yards passing. Or something like that, it was unreal. I've never seen ECA NOT execute that bad. The game was over by the half. The first three wins against them went down to the wire.

Arazorback

09-18-2005, 07:51 PM

Na,, that Springdale team is legit and would be a Top # 5 team in Texas.

But, I guess Jenks and Union are just worthless now and their programs arent worth anything because Springdale beat Jenks.

PS. I could be wrong but didnt they play a few years ago and I believe Jenks beat Springdale. I could be wrong about that.

I know ECA beat Springdale the first time they played and it wasnt that close. I think it was like 38-10 or something like that.

Springdale won last year too against ECA. They have almost their entire team returning after a semi-final loss in Arkansas.
I'm not sure how good they are really. They have a couple of two-way starters which isn't very common in big Texas schools.

Texasfrog

09-18-2005, 07:53 PM

3 teams this year have blown ECA out. There wont be anymore of that this year. ECA has just recruited Preist Holms and Brett Favre.
OK. not really.. They're going into district play. 1A.

Springdale is a good team and they have a really good gunslinger at QB.
I don't think there is anyone in Ark,La, or Ok that could touch them right now. And I think they would top most Texas teams as well. SLC or ET would give them a good run.. But other than that.. I dont think so.. But I could be wrong.

There is about 6 to 8 teams in Texas that could give Springdale a good run for thier money. Just a few off the top of my head.

Trinity, SLC, Katy, Longview, Cove, Judson, North Shore, SV.. with about 6 other teams that wouldnt be pushed around alot.

I think Tyler Lee could give them a tough game but would probably lose by 14 or so pts to them.

Texasfrog

09-18-2005, 07:55 PM

Springdale won last year too against ECA. They have almost their entire team returning after a semi-final loss in Arkansas.
I'm not sure how good they are really. They have a couple of two-way starters which isn't very common in big Texas schools.

Ya, I saw last years game. It was tied 14-14 at half. ECA was breaking in a new QB.

This years game was just a blowout.

But, I believe ECA and Springdale played like in 2001 and ECA beat them pretty good in that game.

Texasfrog

09-18-2005, 07:57 PM

Longview blew out ECA 52-14, the 14 coming off back-to-back kickoff returns in the 1st quarter. The Lobo D held ECA to 69 yards rushing, 31 yards passing. Or something like that, it was unreal. I've never seen ECA NOT execute that bad. The game was over by the half. The first three wins against them went down to the wire.

I think the Lobos and Springdale would be a great game. I would love to see that game.

I'm just learning now through my buddy "sherriff" that the Jenks and Union teams have now always been over-rated.

Redneckn

09-18-2005, 08:54 PM

Ya, I saw last years game. It was tied 14-14 at half. ECA was breaking in a new QB.

This years game was just a blowout.

But, I believe ECA and Springdale played like in 2001 and ECA beat them pretty good in that game.

Last year at Springdale, ECA had that Texas kid at QB. He was useless at the position but proved to be pretty good running.

1999. ECA beat Springdale 41-20 and the next week beat MossPoint Ms. 52-6. That was the last year of the 4 year win streak adn their 1st year in 5A.

2001 was the year ECA beat Longview and Lufkin and then turned around got caught with their pants down at Indy when WM beat them 37-13.

Texasfrog

09-18-2005, 09:08 PM

Last year at Springdale, ECA had that Texas kid at QB. He was useless at the position but proved to be pretty good running.

1999. ECA beat Springdale 41-20 and the next week beat MossPoint Ms. 52-6. That was the last year of the 4 year win streak adn their 1st year in 5A.

2001 was the year ECA beat Longview and Lufkin and then turned around got caught with their pants down at Indy when WM beat them 37-13.

I couldnt remember the exact year. I knew they had played before and that ECA had beat them (Springdale) by like 20 pts.

I just cant believe that someone can go ahead and make a major statement that Jenks & Union shouldnt be taken as elite teams because Jenks lost to this Springdale team. It tells me two things:

1) He probably hasnt seen this Springdale team play.
2.) His never seen Jenks or Union play "ever".

Redneckn

09-18-2005, 09:47 PM

Texasfrog

09-18-2005, 09:59 PM

Jenks is legit. I dont know much about union and have never had the chance to see them play. So everything I've ever heard about them has just been that. Heresay.

Jenks is legit and Springdale is THAT good.

I've seen a few Jenks and Union games over the last 6 or so years. I've seen a few Oklahoma Title games with (Jenks vs Union).

I'll tell you now they've (Jenks & Union) had some teams that are just as good as the top Texas teams and just as good as some of the best West Monroe and ECA teams.

I'm kind of surprised that Springdale put the spanking on Jenks like that 44-0. But, this is probably the best Springdale team "ever" and probably the best team the State of Arkansas has ever produced.

This Springdale team could beat alot of teams by 35-40 pts from (California, Texas, Ohio , La and Florida.)

PS. Did you see the Bellveue, Washington team beat Long Beach Poly ?? Both teams are ranked #1 in their State.

That Bellevue team is pretty dang good man. I saw them last season in the Washington State title game and thought they were pretty good. But, they ripped Long Beach Poly.

They run the Wing-T like a well oil machine. Like freaking magic. They would be tough and they have a solid defense.

drgnbkr

09-18-2005, 10:02 PM

Mission Viejo is #1 in California....has been all year I believe...

Texasfrog

09-18-2005, 10:05 PM

Mission Viejo is #1 in California....has been all year I believe...

Could be.. the tv annoucers during the game kept saying LB Poly was the #1 team in Cali.

Probably about equal overall ( MV and LB Poly). I think last year they played a really close game that was like 20-14 or something like that. I could be thinking about DLS.

MV, DLS & LB Poly are all about the same.

Last season DLS went to Washington and got beat by the same Bellveue team. This season LB Poly.

pack0808

09-18-2005, 10:12 PM

There is about 6 to 8 teams in Texas that could give Springdale a good run for thier money. Just a few off the top of my head.

Trinity, SLC, Katy, Longview, Cove, Judson, North Shore, SV.. with about 6 other teams that wouldnt be pushed around alot.

I think Tyler Lee could give them a tough game but would probably lose by 14 or so pts to them.

LOL not putting Lufkin in that category is just funny!! :D Please??

Texasfrog

09-18-2005, 10:18 PM

LOL not putting Lufkin in that category is just funny!! :D Please??

Sorry dude.. Didnt mean to hurt your feelings. I'll tell you what, Lufkin probably in there. But, they better show me something Friday night against Klein Forest.

That Nac game wasnt very impressive and they cant come out flat against Forest like that are they will take a "L".

pack0808

09-18-2005, 10:20 PM

OK if you say so!! Still funny though!! Add up Lufkin's recent record vs the team's you put in front of them and tell me that is not insulting!!

pack0808

09-18-2005, 10:23 PM

For once in forever Lufkin did not beat Nac by 35 plus and it is over for them. I know all great teams beat everybody they play by 28 plus. :rolleyes: Lufkin barely beat some 4a school in 2001!! They went on to win the state championship and did not lose to anybody the rest of the year. Everybody has games where they do not play their best against inferior competition. I remember when SLC barely beat Sam Houston in the 2002 playoffs. That happens man!! Just win baby!! Abe is a whole different ball game. KF has no chance in my opinion. None!!

Texasfrog

09-18-2005, 10:28 PM

OK if you say so!! Still funny though!! Add up Lufkin's recent record vs the team's you put in front of them and tell me that is not insulting!!

Look I'm not going to get into a pissing match with ya. I've got alot of respect for Lufkins program and Coach Outlaw. One of the top in Texas.

I guess you missed the part of my post where I said 6-8 other Texas teams. Sorry I didnt write Lufkin down.. they are probably one of those no doubt.

Next and more important.. You better not rest on those "past records." All they do is put the "target" on your back and make everyone gun for ya.

I'll tell you again.. Lufkin better not come out flat against Klein Forest. Klein Forest is going to be driving up (59) and when they pull into Lufkin and come to Abe they will be looking to win a football game. They have the talent & coaching to do it it also.

Trust me my man I know a thing or two about Lufkin. I used to work out in the school gym almost everyday. I've seen Lufkin win games and I've seen Lufkin lose games over the years.

So they better be ready because I think this game is going to be tough. I would hate to see Lufkin start the district race off with an "L". Because then your living life on the edge from week to week. You remember last years Woodlands game ?? Wasnt Lufkin suppose to walk away with that one ??

pack0808

09-18-2005, 10:43 PM

Yeah well i guess they you have not been in Lufkin lately because they have only lost 7 games in 4 years and all were against big time competition and the most they ever lost by was 9 points!! :eek: I could care less to you get in a piss match with you either man and i could care less if you think Lufkin is not that category but i just thought that was funny. so once again LOL Believe what you want to believe but i know Lufkin's team very very well and they are just as talented as they were in 2004, 2002 and 2001 and 1998. The 1998 team had 4 NFL players!! The funny thing is this. the 2003 team may have been the most talented of them all but they lost in the 1st round. Just proves that you never know. Talent is just 1 thing in a big equation. You need chemistry and great coaching also. The 2003 team did not have any chemistry. When they played at their potential they beat the future state champs by 21 early in the season. Trust me frog this Lufkin team is scary talented. This is the best Lufkin defense i have ever seen and that is saying something. The offense is inconsistent but very talented!! I have never seen a team more improved then Nac in 1 year in my life!! :eek: I would be shocked if they did not do something big in 4a this year and i am dead serious.

PurpleNation

09-18-2005, 11:22 PM

pack0808

09-18-2005, 11:24 PM

Not to mention both Evangel scores came off kick returns vs Longview!!

Redneckn

09-18-2005, 11:36 PM

If im not mistaken didnt Sprindald Ak. beat ECA 35-7 playing the starters for the entire game. When Longview beat them 52-14 playing the second string the entire second half. Plus Texas High beat ECA 45-10. So I would say Springdale has not beat anyone that was unstopable. Plus Jenks is horrible they would never make it playinf in 5A

If I'm not mistaken Springdale pulled most of their starters in the 3rd. Just as Longview did. Springdale was probably a little hesitant do pull starters out too quickly because they know how quickly ECA can blow up in your face. That's not the case this year, but 1st game of the year, how were they to know? Just like I'm sure LV was kinda shocked at having 2 returns for touchdowns. It can happen that quick and there is nothing wrong with being safe about it.

I dont think it's time to pull the starters out until you can establish about a 5td lead.
I think Longview expected ECA to be able to box (like in years past) and made sure the game was put away. I think Springdale did the same.

Springdale on the road in Shreveport against ECA: I'm certain they were a little conservative or the score would have been just as bad as the Lv score.