7-on-7 IN 2007

[johntylerfan]

Which teams out there do ya'll think will be the best? I saw JT practicing yesterday afternoon at the school and they definitely look to be one of best teams in east texas. Speed all over the place. 7-on-7 is good appetizer before the main attraction in the Fall.

[Drake]

In the Houston area I think Katy, Cinco, Klein Forest, Langham Creek, Baytown Lee, Stratford, and The Woodlands will all be strong.

I hope the tournament organizers emphasize with the refs this year how to keep the 4 second clock. That seems to be the biggest complaint about the refereeing. I saw so many refs watching their stopwatch instead of watching the play last year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they suppose to start the watch when the ball is hiked, stop the watch when the ball is thrown, and only LOOK AT IT to see if it's more than 4 seconds AFTER the play?

[Kilt-Boy]

In the Houston area I think Katy, Cinco, Klein Forest, Langham Creek, Baytown Lee, Stratford, and The Woodlands will all be strong.

I hope the tournament organizers emphasize with the refs this year how to keep the 4 second clock. That seems to be the biggest complaint about the refereeing. I saw so many refs watching their stopwatch instead of watching the play last year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they suppose to start the watch when the ball is hiked, stop the watch when the ball is thrown, and only LOOK AT IT to see if it's more than 4 seconds AFTER the play?

1 - With all the technology we have now, it seems there could be an automatic timer with a red light or something on it to let the officials know when 4 seconds is up. Something in the lines of a modified shot clock. Cost would probably be the factor keeping this from happening. A buzzer wouldn't work because it might disrupt other games.

2 - TWHS is going to Hershey, PA to play 7 on 7 this summer. That should be fun for the boys involved.

[forest99]

your exactly correct on that one!!! thats supposed to be how they do it. honestly i think most refs do it correctly, but unfortunately i know of only one of two that lean towards doing it incorrectly because of them being the all powerful ref and think their god.......but anyways, dont let just one or two bad apples ruin your opinion on the ref's...they are very good at what they do! now, of course, i think klein forest is the best 7 on 7 team in the state and they will compete for the state title this year, terrific athletes all over the field!!

[forest99]

hey kilt-boy, what sqt's are twhs in this summer?

[Drake]

1 - With all the technology we have now, it seems there could be an automatic timer with a red light or something on it to let the officials know when 4 seconds is up. Something in the lines of a modified shot clock. Cost would probably be the factor keeping this from happening. A buzzer wouldn't work because it might disrupt other games.I agree. But assuming you have competent refs, the method I described is pretty infallible, but it's as if no one explains to them how they're suppose to enforce the 4 second rule.

That's cool y'all will be making that trip. I noticed colleges around the country are starting to hold their own 7 on 7 tournaments on campus. Will that be at a college? Anyway, good luck to your Highlanders in that.

[forest99]

drake, arent you involved with 7 on 7 with sombody somehow?

[Drake]

drake, arent you involved with 7 on 7 with sombody somehow?Was last year, not this year... I saw y'all play at the Texans tournament against Ozen, was impressed with both teams. Will y'all be back there this year?

[Miss Kitty]

I am going to a couple of 7 on 7 games Friday. I will see how they do it.

[forest99]

Was last year, not this year... I saw y'all play at the Texans tournament against Ozen, was impressed with both teams. Will y'all be back there this year?

Well actually I coached another team the past 2 years, this will be my first coaching klein forest, but the kids are amazing athletes and im very impressed so far. we can easily go very far at the state championship this summer. KF will be at cy creek, reliant, woodlands, a&m consolidated, and madison

[Kilt-Boy]

hey kilt-boy, what sqt's are twhs in this summer?

5/19 at Cy-Creek
6/3 at Reliant
6/9 TWHS
6/16 at Katy Taylor
6/23 at Cy-Falls
6/26 at Hershey, PA
6/30 at Madison

[forest99]

5/19 at Cy-Creek
6/3 at Reliant
6/9 TWHS
6/16 at Katy Taylor
6/23 at Cy-Falls
6/26 at Hershey, PA
6/30 at Madison

well, thats 4 that KF will beat yall in!! cy creek, reliant, twhs, and madison. who is going to be playing qb for yall this summer? milo is not a very good 7on7 player, is he even going to play at all?

[ktCarl]

I am going to a couple of 7 on 7 games Friday. I will see how they do it.

Is that because lover boy will be there? :D

[big red & cujo]

Which teams out there do ya'll think will be the best? I saw JT practicing yesterday afternoon at the school and they definitely look to be one of best teams in east texas. Speed all over the place. 7-on-7 is good appetizer before the main attraction in the Fall.
man what the hell you doin startin all these 7 on 7 threads. cant you ask all 7 on 7 questions on the same thread in stead of startin anouther just to ask a team a question? not meaning to sound disrespectful but, dang bra.

[Kilt-Boy]

well, thats 4 that KF will beat yall in!! cy creek, reliant, twhs, and madison. who is going to be playing qb for yall this summer? milo is not a very good 7on7 player, is he even going to play at all?

It will probably be Eckenrode or Poarch. They may bring another QB along too. Who knows for sure. That is definitely a hot spot. I'm fairly sure that Milo will be there. They'll probably take a long whoever plays fullback, they throw to him more then Milo in actual games anyway.

[forest99]

It will probably be Eckenrode or Poarch. They may bring another QB along too. Who knows for sure. That is definitely a hot spot. I'm fairly sure that Milo will be there. They'll probably take a long whoever plays fullback, they throw to him more then Milo in actual games anyway.

so who is better, eckenrode or poarch??? do yall have a quicker back that can actually catch that will probably play 7 on 7 also for milo??

[johntylerfan]

man what the hell you doin startin all these 7 on 7 threads. cant you ask all 7 on 7 questions on the same thread in stead of startin anouther just to ask a team a question? not meaning to sound disrespectful but, dang bra.

Just doing it for the hell off it LOL. Its really just me thinking up stuff to fight the boredom here at my job. I swear I need to find a better line of work LOL.

[Kilt-Boy]

so who is better, eckenrode or poarch??? do yall have a quicker back that can actually catch that will probably play 7 on 7 also for milo??

IMO

Eckenrode makes better decisions and has better touch on his throws. When pressured he seems to be able to elude the contact and get rid of the ball. The downside is he can't afford to take too many hits, he has a thin frame. Poarch seems to look for the big play downfield, if it's not there he tends to take off on his own rather than dumping off. Also, there are a couple of underclassmen that could be involved, I don't know for sure.

Not sure if he'll be there but, the fb will probably be Demney (sp), he's smaller (but strong) and more of slot receiver type. He makes good catches and can make people miss when he gets the ball. During the season IF they decide to use him on running plays he won't run anyone over, he usually slides off 1st contact to fall a couple of extra yards.

[Drake]

I was wrong about Lee playing at Cy Creek on May 19th, they're at Manvel. Here are the teams for the Manvel SQT:

Manvel
Baytown Lee
Clear Creek
Sharpstown
A&M Consol
Clear Lake
FB Hightower
Stafford
PA Memorial
Chavez
Alvin
FB Marshall
Bay City
FB Elkins
Channelview
Friendswood

[KT2000]

Where is Manvel?

[Texasfrog]

Where is Manvel?

It used to be out in the middle of nowhere. It's on Hwy 6 heading toward Alvin about 10 miles past 288.

PS. I thought I heard recently that they were thinking about building another HS on 288 near Rosharon.

[Drake]

No clue... I think near the Sugarland or Stafford area somewhere.

[ktrain]

Take 288 south to highway 6, turn left on highway 6 and its just up the road. Be careful on 288, that area is actually part of the Manvel city limits and they are ticket-writing fools.

[forest99]

definately a few good teams in there drake, but i wouldnt be surprised to see yall at least winning your pool....do you have the pools yet, or just the 16 teams in the tourney??

[Drake]

definately a few good teams in there drake, but i wouldnt be surprised to see yall at least winning your pool....do you have the pools yet, or just the 16 teams in the tourney??No pools yet...

[forest99]

Cy Creek SQT

cy fair
cy creek
cy falls
cy springs
cy woods
jersey village
langham creek
rosenburg terry
katy taylor
cinco ranch
woodlands
stratford
bellaire
waller
madisonville
klein forest

these are the 16 teams in the tournament, no pools set yet. which 4 teams do yall think are the best 7 on 7???? ill go with cinco ranch, stratford, klein forest, katy taylor

[AG8411]

langham.

who all is playing this weekend following the combine at berry center?

[forest99]

langham.

who all is playing this weekend following the combine at berry center?

not sure at all, but not an SQT, and if its anything like last year the cy schools will show up and its not that big of a deal.

[AG8411]

just good practice to see where you stand.

[Drake]

CyCreek Pools:

Pool A
Cy Creek
Cy Springs
Cy Woods
Waller

Pool B
Cy Falls
Houston Bellaire
Rosenberg Terry
Madisonville

Pool C
Cy Fair
Jersey Village
Stratford
Katy Taylor

Pool D
Langham Creek
The Woodlands
Klein Forest
Katy Cinco Ranch

[Drake]

Is it just me, or does it look like CyCreek ended up with a pretty easy draw? LOL

[drgnbkr]

Is it just me, or does it look like CyCreek ended up with a pretty easy draw? LOL

I don't know much, but it looks like Pool C & D are beastly..

[Drake]

I don't know much, but it looks like Pool C & D are beastly..I promise you the best 8 teams in the tournament ended up in pools C & D... Shame...

[jtk1519]

Abilene Cooper will have a very good team this year, but we are only entering two SQTs (Abilene and Brownwood) where typically in the past we have entered four. Our head coach is a HUGE 7 on 7 fan, but he doesn't really give a rip about the state competition. He just wants his skill players getting reps over the Summer against other players. So, getting to College station. ACU will again be hosting weekly 7 on 7 pool play in which 20 or so teams from in and around Abilene compete. We play 3-4 games there, so when you throw in the SQTs, Cooper will play over 30 7 on 7 games over the course of the Summer.

[big red & cujo]

CyCreek Pools:

Pool A
Cy Creek
Cy Springs
Cy Woods
Waller

Pool B
Cy Falls
Houston Bellaire
Rosenberg Terry
Madisonville

Pool C
Cy Fair
Jersey Village
Stratford
Katy Taylor

Pool D
Langham Creek
The Woodlands
Klein Forest
Katy Cinco Ranch

the 2 finalist are aotomatically eneterd into the state tournament

[Drake]

Pools for Manvel SQT on May 19th:

Pool A
Baytown Lee
College Station A&M Consolidated
Clear Creek
Ft. Bend Hightower

Pool B
Port Arthur Memorial
Ft. Bend Marshall
Friendswood
Bay City

Pool C
Manvel
Stafford
Alvin
Houston Sharpstown

Poll D
Ft. Bend Elkins
Channelview
Houston Chavez
Clear Lake

[ktCarl]

Was last year, not this year... I saw y'all play at the Texans tournament against Ozen, was impressed with both teams. Will y'all be back there this year?

So my chances of getting a burger from you is dwindling.

[Drake]

Looks like both the Manvel AND CyCreek tournament organizers decided to put all the better teams on one side of the bracket and their own team in on the other side in not only the weakest pool, but made sure the winner of their own pool will face a weaker team in the qualifying game (semi-final) than any of the others on the opposite side of the bracket...

Some people will say that this is the spoils of hosting a tournament, and 5 years ago, when much less teams were playing and everyone that wanted to could qualify for state, this didn't seem to matter much, but...

Given that there are only 64 spots and so many more schools vying for them now, you'd think that they'd come up with something a little more equitable. While it's probably alot of work to host a tournament, I still don't see that as justification for not balancing the brackets as best you can. CyCreek has guaranteed itself a spot in the qualifying game and will face a 2nd tier team because that's all there is in their Pool B. Manvel probably won't get out of its pool regardless, but tell me one team on the C or D side of their tourney that could beat anyone in A & B?

One thing you have to remember is almost all the same teams get to host SQTs each year because they have the facilities. So, just because of that and the work they put in they should get to manipulate the tournament pools to better their own teams chances?

It would be different if these were just meaningless tournaments like a pre-season district basketball tournament, but they're not. This may not be that important to the fans, but it is to the players. Every player that participates wants to qualify for the state tourney and I think they should be given an even-handed shot to do so. No host team should be given an advantage just because their coaches have the authority to take advantage.

I'm not saying change the way tournaments are put on, just have a little more honor when you're making the brackets...

Am I looking at this wrong?

[Drake]

So my chances of getting a burger from you is dwindling.Well, I don't OWE YOU a burger :), but I'll buy you fat juicy steak if you'll just shut up about it! :D

[ktCarl]

Well, I don't OWE YOU a burger :), but I'll buy you fat juicy steak if you'll just shut up about it! :D

WOW! You're easy!!! :cool:

I just had a filet mignon, medium-rare this evening. YUM!

[Drake]

WOW! You're easy!!! :cool:

I just had a filet mignon, medium-rare this evening. YUM!From where?

[Drake]

Looks like both the Manvel AND CyCreek tournament organizers decided to put all the better teams on one side of the bracket and their own team in on the other side in not only the weakest pool, but made sure the winner of their own pool will face a weaker team in the qualifying game (semi-final) than any of the others on the opposite side of the bracket...

Some people will say that this is the spoils of hosting a tournament, and 5 years ago, when much less teams were playing and everyone that wanted to could qualify for state, this didn't seem to matter much, but...

Given that there are only 64 spots and so many more schools vying for them now, you'd think that they'd come up with something a little more equitable. While it's probably alot of work to host a tournament, I still don't see that as justification for not balancing the brackets as best you can. CyCreek has guaranteed itself a spot in the qualifying game and will face a 2nd tier team because that's all there is in their Pool B. Manvel probably won't get out of its pool regardless, but tell me one team on the C or D side of their tourney that could beat anyone in A & B?

One thing you have to remember is almost all the same teams get to host SQTs each year because they have the facilities. So, just because of that and the work they put in they should get to manipulate the tournament pools to better their own teams chances?

It would be different if these were just meaningless tournaments like a pre-season district basketball tournament, but they're not. This may not be that important to the fans, but it is to the players. Every player that participates wants to qualify for the state tourney and I think they should be given an even-handed shot to do so. No host team should be given an advantage just because their coaches have the authority to take advantage.

I'm not saying change the way tournaments are put on, just have a little more honor when you're making the brackets...

Am I looking at this wrong?After sleeping on it, I've rethunk my position on this... I think they should put all the best teams on one side of the bracket and all the other teams on the other side... That way, everyone has a shot at qualifying for the state tournament.

[KT2000]

I agree with your original thought, Drake. I believe more effort should be made to properly balance the SQTs. They have always been slanted towards the host teams. Usually, there is a "Group of Death" that ensures 2-3 really strong teams do not make the semis since only one advances from group play at the 16 team SQTs.

[Drake]

I agree with your original thought, Drake. I believe more effort should be made to properly balance the SQTs. They have always been slanted towards the host teams. Usually, there is a "Group of Death" that ensures 2-3 really strong teams do not make the semis since only one advances from group play at the 16 team SQTs.I don't think the pools have to be completely even, the host team can have a little advantage. But these first two (CyCreek and Manvel listed above) are so blatantly rigged it's embarrassing, or should be...

[Drake]

I agree with your original thought, Drake. I believe more effort should be made to properly balance the SQTs. They have always been slanted towards the host teams. Usually, there is a "Group of Death" that ensures 2-3 really strong teams do not make the semis since only one advances from group play at the 16 team SQTs.That's how I looked at it at first, but I've changed my mind...

My only point in all this was that what you do shouldn't always be based on only what's best for yourself...

Besides, these are the first tournaments of the season so who really knows which teams are the best? But to me that was beside the point. Yes, it may turn out that CyWoods is the best team in the state, but that doesn't matter. What mattered was what the CyCreek organizers were thinking when they put themselves in with CyWooda, Coulda, and Shoulda... I can only guess. Same with the Manville (that CAN'T be the proper spelling) organizers.

To gain a different perspective, I asked my kid, who will be playing in one of the tournaments, what he thought about the lopsided brackets. He said, "good, we'd rather play the good teams anyway..." So if it's not a big deal to the kids if the brackets are manipulated, then it's not a big deal.

But that got me to thinking, I wonder what the players and parents at Manvel and CyCreek would think of it all if they knew the tourney was greased so that they could easily slide right through? (if they have any game at all)

I've concluded that the tourney organizers only did a disservice to their own team when they rigged the pools like they did by saying "we think you need the help"...

So I've changed my position... If that's what they feel they need to do, it's their prerogative...

[KT2000]

Players are competitors and want to prove themselves against the best, but they also want a fair shake especially when they can earn a spot to College Station and know they've got maybe 2-4 chances to make that happen. Every game counts. Just looking at it from a purely organizational angle, it's easy to start questioning things when you see a group of say...

Baytown Lee
Langham Creek
Bay City
Fort Bend Marshall

...and then three more groups of mostly teams not as known for 7 on 7 success including the tourney host.

[KT2000]

Later in the SQTs that format actually backfires because you end up with groups who have multiple teams already qualified and it comes down to the result of one group game as far as who moves on and who goes home.

I think SQTs should be able to reshuffle pools based on who has qualified so they can avoid as many of the multi-qualified groups as possible later on.

[WildcatDad]

Where would I find the brackets?

[Drake]

Where would I find the brackets?Both are posted earlier in this thread...

[Drake]

Later in the SQTs that format actually backfires because you end up with groups who have multiple teams already qualified and it comes down to the result of one group game as far as who moves on and who goes home.

I think SQTs should be able to reshuffle pools based on who has qualified so they can avoid as many of the multi-qualified groups as possible later on.Being that both of the first 2 SQT's have similar makeups, it is a possibility that the powers tha be have recommended that tournament organizers make the pools competitive amongst themselves so that weaker teams don't get completely dominated for 3 games. If that's the case it has merit, but you could put the 2 strongest pools on opposite sides of the brackets to more or less ensure that the two best teams IN THE TOURNAMENT that day advance to state...

[forest99]

ok....two things....first, WOW!! we have langham creek, woodlands, and cinco ranch in our pool!! thanks alot coach mccaig from cy creek! that is not easy at all, but i think it will come down to klein forest and langham creek for the pool win.....and next, the best is coach **** olin who puts on the texans sqt (both days) he puts the teams in alphabetical order, a very fair way to do it!

[AG8411]

I don't know much, but it looks like Pool C & D are beastly..

pool "D" got hosed bad.

[Drake]

ok....two things....first, WOW!! we have langham creek, woodlands, and cinco ranch in our pool!! thanks alot coach mccaig from cy creek! that is not easy at all, but i think it will come down to klein forest and langham creek for the pool win.....and next, the best is coach **** olin who puts on the texans sqt (both days) he puts the teams in alphabetical order, a very fair way to do it!The way Coach Olin does it suggests that there is some thought to being fair when making the pools and that, at least as far as he's concerned since he runs it all, it's NOT always the accepted practice to make it as easy on the host team to qualify as humanly possible.

[forest99]

and not to mention coach olin is just a class act guy, and i love to see him and his program succeed. and actually the cy creek hc is on the 7on7 board of directors, so youd think it would be done the same way, hhmmmm...