Strength of schedule

[lonny23]

I went to Texas Football Ratings to look at strength of schdeule because I wanted to do a thread about who won't win state and got a surprise.

http://www.texasfootballratings.com/20055AStrengthofSchedulerating.html

Yep, the 31 toughest schedules to this point came up automatically without scrolling down and I saw:

4 SA MacArthur
9 SA Churchill
11 SA Reagan
12 SA Madison
13 C Judson
14 SA Roosevelt
20 SA Lee
31 S Valley

All 8 teams in 26-5A are in the top 31 of 244 5A teams for toughest schedule so far! :p

[mad_fan]

I posted here a while back that SA Lee had one of the WORST (hardest) schedules in the state...not many were recepetive to that idea...good luck with this thread...

[lonny23]

I posted here a while back that SA Lee had one of the WORST (hardest) schedules in the state...not many were recepetive to that idea...good luck with this thread...
It's common sense that the worst team in the district has the hardest district schedule because they don't play themselves. In Lee's case, they do well outside of district.

All of these stats are before district starts and most of them will stay high in the strength of schedule because all of them are top 100 teams except Lee.

[mad_fan]

It's common sense that the worst team in the district has the hardest district schedule because they don't play themselves. In Lee's case, they do well outside of district.

All of these stats are before district starts and most of them will stay high in the strength of schedule because all of them are top 100 teams except Lee.

Obviously, but I said in the STATE. By that in mean starting 0-0 and winning the state championship...I think Lee has less chance of getting out of district play then the lowest ranked team in any district.

[lonny23]

Obviously, but I said in the STATE. By that in mean starting 0-0 and winning the state championship...I think Lee has less chance of getting out of district play then the lowest ranked team in any district.
It's a hard district. Lee could fight for the playoffs in some districts.

[Mean Green Machine]

You guys are out of your tree. The Woodlands has the has a schedule stronger than your grannies' breath.

Katy #6 in State
North Shore # 10 in State
Lufkin # 3 in State
Klein Forest #8 in Houston
Humble #12 in Houston
Klein Collins (Top 5 running back in the country)
Conroe 3-0
Klein 2-1

The Nation has the toughest schedule hands down.

Go Baby!!!! The Nation is coming...

[mad_fan]

thread was about SOS not ratings. SOS is one component of ratings. i think your argument is misplaced (besides being wrong) in the thread.

[Eagles52]

Shouldent South Lake Carrol get the hardest scedule sence they are state champs?

[Mean Green Machine]

I don't what your smoking but Katy, North Shore and Lufkin are some of the best team in Texas period. You can read any stat thing you want too.

[STJL41]

Shouldent South Lake Carrol get the hardest scedule sence they are state champs?

No. they still have to play teams in their own district, no matter what, so that will always have an effect on their strength of schedule. The teams they play in non district, however, is up to them. If they want a hard schedule, they can make one.

[mad_fan]

I don't what your smoking but Katy, North Shore and Lufkin are some of the best team in Texas period. You can read any stat thing you want too.

your type amaze me, the original poster placed a link to the data source. what do you come up with? another data source to contradict the info provided? no. you just make it personal and whine some more.

[lonny23]

your type amaze me, the original poster placed a link to the data source. what do you come up with? another data source to contradict the info provided? no. you just make it personal and whine some more.
I must be going soft, because I actually like a Madison fan! ;)

[mad_fan]

I must be going soft, because I actually like a Madison fan! ;)


just wait and see...they'll be coming up of the wood work and trying to get on my one man bandwagon... :D

[mad_fan]

btw, i'm borrowing that for my signature line...probably be the last time you say anything nice to me. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[clemensbuff]

It's a hard district. Lee could fight for the playoffs in some districts.

Lonny, once again I agree with you. If they were in some of the weaker districts they could compete a little better.

[FootballJunkie]

It's a hard district. Lee could fight for the playoffs in some districts.
Correct me if I'm wrong please, but what you are saying is the Lee team that went 3-7 last year including a 3-0 loss to Reagan, a team that only scored 130 points while giving up 302 would compete for a playoff spot in some other districts??? Is that what you are saying???

[mad_fan]

Correct me if I'm wrong please, but what you are saying is the Lee team that went 3-7 last year including a 3-0 loss to Reagan, a team that only scored 130 points while giving up 302 would compete for a playoff spot in some other districts??? Is that what you are saying???


no, i think he's saying lee would compete well in 13-5a... :D :D

[FootballJunkie]

no, i think he's saying lee would compete well in 13-5a... :D :D
Perhaps they would, but perhaps they would be the same. BAAAAAAAAD :D :D

[lonny23]

Correct me if I'm wrong please, but what you are saying is the Lee team that went 3-7 last year including a 3-0 loss to Reagan, a team that only scored 130 points while giving up 302 would compete for a playoff spot in some other districts??? Is that what you are saying???
I'm saying last year's Lee team that went 2-1 in Non-district in a 2-8 season would've competed for a playoff spot in 29, 30, and 31. After Judson pounded them, they just went downhill in an avalanche of losses to quality teams. They would be respectable in most Region 3 districts and wouldn't be last in a lot of the districts around the state. I'll give 9 a maybe, but that's about it for Region 2 playoffs. 1 is a probable for 2004. All total, I'll give the 2004 Lee team a fighting chance for the playoffs in 5 districts. They were better in 2004 than 2002 or 2003.

Here's 2005:

Playoff maybes in 1, 2, 9, 28, 29, 30, and 31.

[DragonFan]

If you want to Jerrymander any district to move teams around, I am sure that any #4 team could be found to be a playoff contender when they are placed in a district made up of teams that are worse than they are! Strength of Schdule is a subjective thing that just gives some number crunchers some more fodder for their thoughts and posts.

It is an interesting point but a unless one at best.

It has been proven that any accountant or statistician can and will make the numbers say what ever point they are trying to make. The only points that count are the ones on the scoreboard at the end of the 16th game!

[mad_fan]

If you want to Jerrymander any district to move teams around, I am sure that any #4 team could be found to be a playoff contender when they are placed in a district made up of teams that are worse than they are! Strength of Schdule is a subjective thing that just gives some number crunchers some more fodder for their thoughts and posts.

It is an interesting point but a unless one at best.

It has been proven that any accountant or statistician can and will make the numbers say what ever point they are trying to make. The only points that count are the ones on the scoreboard at the end of the 16th game!

just a thing or two...

any #4 team...actually i think he was talking about a #8 team in the 265....
Strength of Schdule is a subjective...actually just arithmatic....
accountant or statistician can and will make the numbers say what ever...why rag on those guys?

ps who does your taxes? cause i know what i want to pay, just havent gotten one of THOSE accountants to sign it that way.

[DragonFan]

Not ragging on accountant or statistician just stating a generalation. I love stats and know that they can be used to prove or disprove just about anything you would want to.

Case in point.

People say that SLC's defense is not very good because Coppell scored 24 points. The same people say that SLC's defense is very good because they shutout Plano East.

The counter point to those stats is that SLC had fumbled a punt against Coppell to give Coppell a very short field and that the last score was made on the subs on the last play of a game that was already decided. The Plano East offense had already been shutout once this year so was it expected that SLC should have shut them out.

Every game is a unique dymanic that give pleasure and heatache to all who enjoy watching the great game of High School Football.

[mad_fan]

okay, it is another slc thread...just a generalization.

[mad_fan]

I posted here a while back that SA Lee had one of the WORST (hardest) schedules in the state...not many were recepetive to that idea...good luck with this thread...

told you, not many understand what sos means and doesnt mean....

[Slim-Rob]

Great find Lonny,

You didn't say 26-5A was the toughest (even though it is), you simply said ALL 8 OF OUR DISTRICT TEAMS WERE IN THE TOP 31 IN SCEDULE STRENGTH, and you still got attacked. This is ridiculous.

You people need to get over yourselves and realize that Lonny isn't bragging, he is just showing that 26-5A has some hard schedules.

[jrp83]

I'll agree that 26-5A is one of the toughest districts in the state. I don't know if I would say the toughest, but it's up there.

[lonny23]

Great find Lonny,

You didn't say 26-5A was the toughest (even though it is), you simply said ALL 8 OF OUR DISTRICT TEAMS WERE IN THE TOP 31 IN SCEDULE STRENGTH, and you still got attacked. This is ridiculous.

You people need to get over yourselves and realize that Lonny isn't bragging, he is just showing that 26-5A has some hard schedules.
I just thought it was a cool stat and I wasn't even looking for it. The flipside is that almost everybody will stay high as long as their aren't a whole string of blowouts.

[mad_fan]

Great find Lonny,

You didn't say 26-5A was the toughest (even though it is), you simply said ALL 8 OF OUR DISTRICT TEAMS WERE IN THE TOP 31 IN SCEDULE STRENGTH, and you still got attacked. This is ridiculous.

You people need to get over yourselves and realize that Lonny isn't bragging, he is just showing that 26-5A has some hard schedules.

Well stated RocketTRN.

[bhs06]

I thought we'd be higher, the combined record of our opponets right now is 21-10, including 6 3-0 teams

[myround0]

I went to Texas Football Ratings to look at strength of schdeule because I wanted to do a thread about who won't win state and got a surprise.

http://www.texasfootballratings.com/20055AStrengthofSchedulerating.html

Yep, the 31 toughest schedules to this point came up automatically without scrolling down and I saw:

4 SA MacArthur
9 SA Churchill
11 SA Reagan
12 SA Madison
13 C Judson
14 SA Roosevelt
20 SA Lee
31 S Valley

All 8 teams in 26-5A are in the top 31 of 244 5A teams for toughest schedule so far! :p

According to the link, and I am not looking for a fight, but according the link, again I am correct...Tyler Lee, rightfully so has the state's toughest schedule and it is clear they have bitten off more than they can chew...Rigth under them number two with the toughest schedule sits the Longview Lobos, right now the Lobos have one of the state's top ranking, along with it they have one of the state's top five defense and also the one of the state's top five offense...Again this post is not to pick a fight it is just to further prove my point, against the state's second toughest schedule...I am glad and can appreciate a person supporting they team, just don't discount others for showing their love...

[mad_fan]

I thought we'd be higher, the combined record of our opponets right now is 21-10, including 6 3-0 teams

It also matter who your opponents have played. Massey has a pretty good explaination here... http://www.mratings.com/theory/sched.htm

massey and jerry dont calculate SOS exactly the same way so you end up with big differences in the result, but it'll give you an idea.

[mad_fan]

According to the link, and I am not looking for a fight, but according the link, again I am correct...Tyler Lee, rightfully so has the state's toughest schedule ...


just a quick point...it would be more accurate to say that through September 13th Tyler Lee has had the toughest schedule. This will change ever week.

[myround0]

just a quick point...it would be more accurate to say that through September 13th Tyler Lee has had the toughest schedule. This will change ever week.

I think that would have been true for the first weeks, but now as we move into district play...their will not be much change...most have factored in how the district will play out...what i mean is let's say Tyler lee was figured to be a strong team in 12-5A, we all know they have struggled, I think they have just played some really good tams, but if they struggle and lose from here on out their loses will come agaisnt district teams so you take down Lee then you pump up let's say a John Tyler, so the district strength will stay in tact...I do think Tyler Lee needs to get on the ball and they can, Longview should be the only other tough test for them, but John Tyler Looks really good even in their overtime loss to Kilgore a top 10 ranked 4A program...

[mad_fan]

I think that would have been true for the first weeks, but now as we move into district play...their will not be much change...most have factored in how the district will play out...what i mean is let's say Tyler lee was figured to be a strong team in 12-5A, we all know they have struggled, I think they have just played some really good tams, but if they struggle and lose from here on out their loses will come agaisnt district teams so you take down Lee then you pump up let's say a John Tyler, so the district strength will stay in tact...I do think Tyler Lee needs to get on the ball and they can, Longview should be the only other tough test for them, but John Tyler Looks really good even in their overtime loss to Kilgore a top 10 ranked 4A program...

a blow out for or against John Tyler may not have a great effect within the district, but could outside the district...those non-district teams they played earlier. and vice-versa, if kilgore has a blow out or is blown out, it could significantly affect John Tyler's SOS...disclaimer...the teams above are for illistrative purposes only. no slams intended anywhere.

[lonny23]

According to the link, and I am not looking for a fight, but according the link, again I am correct...Tyler Lee, rightfully so has the state's toughest schedule and it is clear they have bitten off more than they can chew...Rigth under them number two with the toughest schedule sits the Longview Lobos, right now the Lobos have one of the state's top ranking, along with it they have one of the state's top five defense and also the one of the state's top five offense...Again this post is not to pick a fight it is just to further prove my point, against the state's second toughest schedule...I am glad and can appreciate a person supporting they team, just don't discount others for showing their love...
That's what the link says, but keep one thing in mind. The games outside of Texas don't have point spreads or affect the strength of schedule. Both Longview and Tyler Lee have 2 games outside of Texas and you can't really assign value to those games.

At this point, you'd have to say that Chaminade isn't up to par with the top Texas teams and it looks like Colerain is a real good team, but not absolutely top notch. That still leaves Lee with a tough schedule.

I don't think either of Longview's Louisiana opponents are top-notch in Texas quality, but again they are decent teams. The Lobos should probably take a little bit of a hit in the strength of schedule department, but not drop too far. When it comes time for district, 12-5A will do pretty good in strength of schedule, but 26-5A will make up ground on 12-5A.

They track that stuff through Week 16 and you never know who will end up with the toughest schedule. SLC made a big jump last year because of how their playoff schedule set up.

[lonny23]

I think that would have been true for the first weeks, but now as we move into district play...their will not be much change...most have factored in how the district will play out...what i mean is let's say Tyler lee was figured to be a strong team in 12-5A, we all know they have struggled, I think they have just played some really good tams, but if they struggle and lose from here on out their loses will come agaisnt district teams so you take down Lee then you pump up let's say a John Tyler, so the district strength will stay in tact...I do think Tyler Lee needs to get on the ball and they can, Longview should be the only other tough test for them, but John Tyler Looks really good even in their overtime loss to Kilgore a top 10 ranked 4A program...
John Tyler is still on my radar screen, but they really should've won that Kilgore game. It's not a good sign when you don't put away a 4A team or let them stay close. It almost seems like if you're favored by X number of points over a 4A team that you really have to win by more just to prove that you're for real.