Longview-ECA Game

[Redneckn]

If anybody gets any updates, please post them. As usual, KEEL is so worried about having video on the net that none of it (audio or video) is working.

Thanks.

[Redneckn]

Here is what I have so far.

Longview 17
Evangel 14
3:56 to go in the 1st Quarter




KEEL is having problems with 'net connection. Unable to get broadcast up.

[myround0]

Red...where are you picking up the Lobo game from

[Redneckn]

Nowhere. I read it on the ECA website. When they posted they were having tech diffculties getting the game on the web, they posted that score. I am still not able to get anybody to answer a cellfone up there.

www.evangelsports.com has a link about being able to watch the game. I keep checking it and get nothing.

[myround0]

31-14 Longview

[Lobo9498]

Longview handed ECA their heads, 52-14. That is the most points scored by a Lobo team at Lobo Stadium in the 30 year history of the stadium. ECA was FLAT on offense. The 14 points came on back-to-back kickoff returns after Longview touchdowns in the 1st quarter. Kreamer got hit hard, possibly injured...not sure. Hullat (sp?) the main WR got injured early in the game. McKnight was scared to get hit after taking a few big hits by Cartez Beall. He started ducking from the Lobo defenders when he caught the ball. Powell took some big hits as well.

The Lobos just dominated ECA. They could get nothing going, and if they did the D would clamp down and get an INT or stop them on 4th down.

0-3 to begin the year for ECA, when did that ever happen? Maybe their first year? The Lobos are 4-1 against ECA, how many teams can say that?

The one highlight of the night was ECA's band, I gotta give them props for marching and doing a good job for their first year of marching. They had a decent sound for a band their size.

Onto district....now the REAL games begin.

[Redneckn]

Longview handed ECA their heads, 52-14. That is the most points scored by a Lobo team at Lobo Stadium in the 30 year history of the stadium. ECA was FLAT on offense. The 14 points came on back-to-back kickoff returns after Longview touchdowns in the 1st quarter. Kreamer got hit hard, possibly injured...not sure. Hullat (sp?) the main WR got injured early in the game. McKnight was scared to get hit after taking a few big hits by Cartez Beall. He started ducking from the Lobo defenders when he caught the ball. Powell took some big hits as well.

The Lobos just dominated ECA. They could get nothing going, and if they did the D would clamp down and get an INT or stop them on 4th down.

0-3 to begin the year for ECA, when did that ever happen? Maybe their first year? The Lobos are 4-1 against ECA, how many teams can say that?

The one highlight of the night was ECA's band, I gotta give them props for marching and doing a good job for their first year of marching. They had a decent sound for a band their size.

Onto district....now the REAL games begin.


Pathetic show huh? I really am shocked. I knew ECA didnt really have a chance to win.. But this bad?

The McKnight kid.. Uh.. well, as I've said a million times: When you are a passing team, you need to concentrate on passing". But I guess when you dont have an arm to get it down the field, you rely on running. I havent thought much of McKnight anyway.

Huelett went out with injury.. As did McKnight. My guess is McK was faking cause he's a wuss.
0-3 to start. Lemme check on that one. 1989. Their first year playing ball.
4-1 against ECA. Lemme check. Haynesville beat 'em the first 3X they met on the field. In 1996 ECA beat H-ville 35-12. The 2 have not met again since then. They will play for the first time since 1996 this year. 1996, 97, 98, and 99 ECA went 60-0. In that time they won 3 3A titles and their 1st 5A title. 1999 was also the first year ECA handed WestMonroe their arse. In the title game.


All that is nice. But they got their shiznit kicked hard tonite.

Congrats Longview. I really do hope that this wont be the last time y'all play ECA.. But I have feeling it will be. For a while anyway.

[Lobo9498]

I have mixed feelings about Longview continuing to play ECA. ECA, except for this year, has always played us hard. I was very nervous about this year. As one of our coaches put it, ECA was a wounded dog, backed into a corner, and they would come out fighting. Save the two kickoff returns, there were no real bright spots for ECA. Powell couldn't do much against our D, and Kreamer came in late but went out with a possible knee injury, not sure on what happened exactly. He took a hard lick only a few plays after coming in as QB.

ECA should handle the 1A ranks in LA, if they can get their offense clicking. Their D was porous to say the least. Longview scored on its first 5 possessions, marching on the Eagles' D easily.

It was nice to see a clean game. There were no really big unsportsmanlike penalties or fighting amongst the players. All of the kids kept their heads cool.

[Texasfrog]

I have mixed feelings about Longview continuing to play ECA. ECA, except for this year, has always played us hard. I was very nervous about this year. As one of our coaches put it, ECA was a wounded dog, backed into a corner, and they would come out fighting. Save the two kickoff returns, there were no real bright spots for ECA. Powell couldn't do much against our D, and Kreamer came in late but went out with a possible knee injury, not sure on what happened exactly. He took a hard lick only a few plays after coming in as QB.

ECA should handle the 1A ranks in LA, if they can get their offense clicking. Their D was porous to say the least. Longview scored on its first 5 possessions, marching on the Eagles' D easily.

It was nice to see a clean game. There were no really big unsportsmanlike penalties or fighting amongst the players. All of the kids kept their heads cool.

Its ashame that the Kreamer kid is playing QB. His a great Safety and to see him having to play QB (which isnt his strength) is kind of sad.

That kid can play DB with the best of them.

[LGVAg]

*smiles at redneck*

:) :) :)

I told King I wanted half a hundred, and I got it.

[Redneckn]

Really, IMO ECA does not deserve to play Longview if tonite is how it's gonna be. I mean, the last few were good ones and they really could have gone either way. But this.. Nope.

The funny thing is that I was saying way back in '93-'94 that ECA ain't nobody until they can topple some good Texas programs. And a few years later, they did just that...

I think after the whole Booty thing, it hasnt really been the same. That whole situation caused a HUGE rift with Evangel. I just hope they can take this chance while in 1A to get thing back to normal.. I think they will though.

It's just so hard to comprehend these types of losses after the kind of numbers they have always had. It would be one thing if they always been pretty good. But they have pretty much always been a step above that.

But still, I will stand by my team. Even if they lose to a 1A, I will still defend my team.


something i just realized.. ECA has played Lufkin 2X.. I somehow managed to not remember that.

Only good thing I guess is that at least Longview wasnt the first Texas team to defeat ECA. That little title goes to Teneha Texas. Last game of regular season 1990. Teneha 53/ECA 28.



Oh yeah.. LGVAg.. At my Eagles did manage to score. So the girls of WM wont be able to say anything. hahahaha

[LoboFan07]

Wow what a game the 'Bos had tonight. We werent playing that well IMO the entire 3rd quarter but the 2nd team sure stepped up.

Lets see how many "streaks" were improved tonight..

Longview, 4-0 for the fourth straight year in the row to start the season
18 straight non district regular season wins.
14 straight regular season wins
9 straight over Louisiana teams
6 straight home wins
4 straight againist Evangel
First time since 1999 for a Lobo team to score 50 points, last was 50-32 at DeSoto. Third time in the past 20 years, other being the 59-6 blow out at Nacogdoches in 1992.
Most points ever scored by a Lobo team at the new Lobo Stadium (opened in 1977)

Way to go Lobos. Lets increase *thinks* 5 of these streaks next week vs Mesquite.
5-0 for the second straight year. 15 regular season wins. 9 straight regular season road wins. 7 straight district wins. 4 straight againist Mesquite. Lets do it Lobos!

[pack0808]

Wow what a game the 'Bos had tonight. We werent playing that well IMO the entire 3rd quarter but the 2nd team sure stepped up.

Lets see how many "streaks" were improved tonight..

Longview, 4-0 for the fourth straight year in the row to start the season
18 straight non district regular season wins.
14 straight regular season wins
9 straight over Louisiana teams
6 straight home wins
4 straight againist Evangel
First time since 1999 for a Lobo team to score 50 points, last was 50-32 at DeSoto. Third time in the past 20 years, other being the 59-6 blow out at Nacogdoches in 1992.
Most points ever scored by a Lobo team at the new Lobo Stadium (opened in 1977)

Way to go Lobos. Lets increase *thinks* 5 of these streaks next week vs Mesquite.
5-0 for the second straight year. 15 regular season wins. 9 straight regular season road wins. 7 straight district wins. 4 straight againist Mesquite. Lets do it Lobos!


Oh man you set yourself up sooo bad for when you brought up all of the Lobos streaks but will spare you and i will hold my tongue. ;) I told you ECA is not 1/4th they used to be and Longview would kill them and beat them for the 4th time in a row. :eek:

[bleedgreen]

Oh man you set yourself up sooo bad for when you brought up all of the Lobos streaks but will spare you and i will hold my tongue. ;) I told you ECA is not 1/4th they used to be and Longview would kill them and beat them for the 4th time in a row. :eek:.......oh pack0808---should have seen those licks that knocked 3 ECA players out unconscious!! not bragging about anyone getting hurt, but the hits were so fierce and brutal! haven't seen a punt or kickoff TD ran back on us in 25 years---2 in one night and back to back???? man, it was crazy!!...heard that the guy doing all of the running(#1 or #2) was a transfer from the hurricane tragedy down in NO......good pick-up, whoever he is....without him and the kickoff returns, you're looking at 52-0......and that's with the starters being pulled at the end of 3rd............2nd team scored the last 2 td's...i really felt a little bad watching this game..ECA didn't look like the ECA of "old"..no offense and no defense..saw some really good spotsmanship out of both.ECA and Longview players helping each other up after plays, shaking hands--etc...something that i have never seen between ECA and Longview..usually see a bunch of fighting and pushing..change is good.............ECA will still win state, regardless........pack---almost had a "shocker", huh?? i told you i felt something strange about the Lufkin/Nac. game--LOL..........................

[c-lisle]

.......oh pack0808---should have seen those licks that knocked 3 ECA players out unconscious!! not bragging about anyone getting hurt, but the hits were so fierce and brutal! haven't seen a punt or kickoff TD ran back on us in 25 years---2 in one night and back to back???? man, it was crazy!!...heard that the guy doing all of the running(#1 or #2) was a transfer from the hurricane tragedy down in NO......good pick-up, whoever he is....without him and the kickoff returns, you're looking at 52-0......and that's with the starters being pulled at the end of 3rd............2nd team scored the last 2 td's...i really felt a little bad watching this game..ECA didn't look like the ECA of "old"..no offense and no defense..saw some really good spotsmanship out of both.ECA and Longview players helping each other up after plays, shaking hands--etc...something that i have never seen between ECA and Longview..usually see a bunch of fighting and pushing..change is good.............ECA will still win state, regardless........pack---almost had a "shocker", huh?? i told you i felt something strange about the Lufkin/Nac. game--LOL..........................


You ain't lyin about the viscious hits. # 13 Cartez Beall will knock your head off. I don't see how someone who weighs 170 lbs can hit so hard. He's been doing all year.

[Lobo Dude]

Do any of yall remember the hit Cartez put on that one dude last year in the Lufkin game? I cant remember who it was but it was right on the Longview sideline and Cartez litterly picked him up and slammed him. It was awesome. And even Jarvis can lay a hit on somebody too... and i'm not even sure if hes as big as Cartez.

And yea I noticed the good sportsmanship last night. After the game ECA players were going up to single players and coaches congradulating them personally and shaking their hands. And there werent hardly any personal fouls that i remember.

[LoboFan07]

The only one I can clearly remember was the one by ECA to start the game when Ivory was out of bounds for atleast 3 seconds then bang the ECA guy comes in and brings him down for no reason.

[LGVAg]

I remember the fat guy trying to do a flip in the end zone and he landed on his neck. LOL!!!

It didn't matter, though. That game was awesome. I was mouthing at the fans and band of ECA after the game and during the game. They were getting pissed lol. It was awesome.

[Redneckn]

I remember the fat guy trying to do a flip in the end zone and he landed on his neck. LOL!!!

It didn't matter, though. That game was awesome. I was mouthing at the fans and band of ECA after the game and during the game. They were getting pissed lol. It was awesome.


It's people like you that cause the crap at a game. I promise you, I would have shut your hole for you no matter whom I was there to see. I know you think your a badarse and all. But I would have mace'd you and then kicked you in the troat to make sure you didnt do that kind of thing anymore.

It seems like I said, some weeks back, that LV had some sorry winners and losers amongst their people. Well, now we all know the kind of jerk I was referring to.

And the really bad thing about it is that all it takes is one little punk LVAg to get some crap going and that will be the only story in the paper the next day. I can see the headline now:

Idiot from Longview maimed for life because he didnt know how to not be a jerk.



Again though, congrats to Longview on the win. Hope y'all can continue your success this year.

[pack0808]

Guys with mace are really tough becareful. LMAO Dang redneck you are in a bad mood tonight huh?? ;) I have not even bothered ragging on you even though you deserved it. I said Longview would blow out Evangel and you basically called me a tard. Oh well i know what it is like being wrong so i have no desire to rub it in. It happens to the best of us. I agree though that guys that talk crap to the fans and the band need a little help. That is pathetic really.

[Redneckn]

Guys with mace are really tough becareful. LMAO Dang redneck you are in a bad mood tonight huh?? ;) I have not even bothered ragging on you even though you deserved it. I said Longview would blow out Evangel and you basically called me a tard. Oh well i know what it is like being wrong so i have no desire to rub it in. It happens to the best of us. I agree though that guys that talk crap to the fans and the band need a little help. That is pathetic really.


No, I'm in a fine mood. I am getting a little ticked about trying to find the fbClements/fbElkins scrore. But other than that, I'm in a great mood.
I dont deserve to be ragged on.. I never said I expected ECA to win. I just figured it would be closer. I was basing that on hearsay and the first half of Springdale game.
I really didnt think Longview was all that good. And really, I still dont. They are good. But once they run into a team that can stop that run (and it will happen) they are going to be in trouble.
Pops was telling me that ECA just sucked completely. Told me that played like an uncoached team. And he also told me (which confirms what I read here) about that kid that kept ducking LV players when running and stuff. Sad.
ECA is down, but not out. They'll be back. You can't be as good as they have been for that long and then just go away. They mainly need a QB so they can get the d@m ball back in the air so they can control the game.


Oh yeah. haha.. I never meant to imply that guys with mace are tough. I am not a fighter. I hate fighting. I eat too much and smoke too much to be fighting anyone. Mace is an easy way to go ahead and end the thing without me having to get all dirty and have my clothes get torn.. I hate shopping and if something happens to my threads, then I will have to be back at Goodwill looking for something else to wear. :D

[Lobo9498]

We may run into a team that will shut down Ivory, McGee, and Freeman running, that might happen in district. BUT, you stop the run, you have to worry about the passing game. We can get the short swing passes and screens out to Ivory, McGee, and short passes to the WR's. We aren't completely one-dimensional. We can run the option, run it down your throat, or pass it and get the ball down the field. Every team has tried, but has not been able to stop the running yet. We will see. The running of the Wolves may be stopped one game, but we'll beat them through the air and open up the run again.

We shall see. The real games begin this week for 12-5A.

[pack0808]

Longview is very very very good trust me and if last night does not convince you nothing will. I am not a Longview fan by a long shot by the way. I always hear that every year about rushing teams but why do you not hear that about passing teams?? Like, If the other team can just stop the pass they are going to be in trouble?? LOL Hyporcitical actually and it is kind like duhhh?? Did you know that the Pittsburgh Steelers went 15-1 in the regular season at the highest level in the NFL last year running almost 80 percent of the time?? Nobody has ran more in over 20 years in the NFL. People are so obsessed with passing offenses these days but running football teams can be just as effective and more. As long as they can keep you honest with the pass great running teams can be just as good as great passing teams. Longview has been a major running team vs Evangel for 4 years in a row and Evangel still has 4 L's in a row against them. That should tell you something. ;)

[Redneckn]

Longview is very very very good trust me and if last night does not convince you nothing will. I am not a Longview fan by a long shot by the way. I always hear that every year about rushing teams but why do you not hear that about passing teams?? Like, If the other team can just stop the pass they are going to be in trouble?? LOL Hyporcitical actually and it is kind like duhhh?? Did you know that the Pittsburgh Steelers went 15-1 in the regular season at the highest level in the NFL last year running almost 80 percent of the time?? Nobody has ran more in over 20 years in the NFL. People are so obsessed with passing offenses these days but running football teams can be just as effective and more. As long as they can keep you honest with the pass great running teams can be just as good as great passing teams. Longview has been a major running team vs Evangel for 4 years in a row and Evangel still has 4 L's in a row against them. That should tell you something. ;)

It does tell me something. 1: ECA played really bad last nite. 2: ECA cant defend a really good running team. 3: Running teams are overrated most of the time. Running the ball allows for clock control. Being really good at it means that whomever beats you will have to have a heckuva passing game. Which what ECA usually has.
Y'all just have a thing for running over here in Texas. It works as long as you are playing other running teams or teams that have no pass attack. Like what we saw with ECA last nite.

When ECA was good and primed a few years back no running team from Texas (or anywhere else) could top them. And even back then, ECA was not really able to contain the run. They just outscored everybody.

I noticed this earlier during the USC/Ark. game. Ark. kept trying to run the ball and they lost big. USC is good, but if Ark. had a presentable passing game, it wouldnt have been as big. I dont see anybody topping USC this year. Not even Texas. Why? Texas runs too much.

We'll see about Longview passing in a few weeks I'm sure. I'm not gonna count them out, because I've not seem the play this year. But I think a good passing team like SLC would walk over them.
One thing I have to pay attention to though. Colerain beat REL and if what I read was correct, they ran 95% of the time. So there are always exceptions.

Keep in mind, this is all just my own opinion based of what I have seen.

[pack0808]

Go back and look at the 15 last champs in 5a Texas hs football and come back and tell me how overrated running teams are. I am sorry but the fact's do not back up your statement.

[PurpleNation]

Oh man you set yourself up sooo bad for when you brought up all of the Lobos streaks but will spare you and i will hold my tongue. ;) I told you ECA is not 1/4th they used to be and Longview would kill them and beat them for the 4th time in a row. :eek:


As soon as he was listing all of the streaks a big smile came across my face lol. Good win Longview. Pack0808 you are a better man them me because I would have let them have it.

[Lobo9498]

Leave it to Lufkin fans to turn it around to a Lufkin/Longview thread. YES, I know about the streak. I know about last year's game, I could care less. Last year is just that....LAST year. It's history, nothing we can do about it. Personally, I hope we meet up in the playoffs again this year, but I would be happier if Lufkin didn't even make it that far. Yes, I am a bit scared of playing you guys again, I know the history, but if we do play this year I think the outcome will be different.

I have no excuses for last year, except we just didn't execute 110% the way we needed to to come out on top. It's that simple. The turnovers hurt, yes, but how many teams can overcome 4-5 turnovers to win a game against a team as good as Lufkin was last year. We will see what happens this year, IF we even meet. For all I know we both could lose in the first round, or not even make it. You can argue that Lufkin will NOT miss the playoffs, which might be true. But, you have to go out and play every week, and want it just as much if not more than the other team. If Longview or Lufkin come in playing flat in district, the other team could win. Do it enough, and both teams will be sitting at home.

The real fun and games begins for 12-5A this week. We'll see in about 7 weeks who's in and who's out. Good luck to Lufkin, and I do hope we see each other again this year. Maybe if the Lobos win, the streak talk will be shut up. You've had our numbers as of late, so what? It's irrelevant. It means SQUAT to what will happen this year.

So, let's jut drop the Lufkin/Longview streak crap, I'm sick of it. I accept it, but it's history. Worry about the game this week, not some meaningless streak right now. We'll worry about Lufkin, when and IF we play them. Until then, who cares? I don't.

[Redneckn]

Go back and look at the 15 last champs in 5a Texas hs football and come back and tell me how overrated running teams are. I am sorry but the fact's do not back up your statement.


Ok. So perhaps I wasnt as clear as I should have been.
Running teams that are good, are good against other running teams and mediocre passing teams. It's all about clock control when you run. I figure screw clock control and outscore the opponent. By passing.

I'm not saying that you cant win games by running because it happens every week. What I'm mainly saying is why run and risk the loss when you pass and dominate. Why control the clock when you can control the game? Why 5 mins to get down the field when you can do it in 2?

The main point is that I have heard and read where coach after coach has said "the ECA pass attack will overwhelm you in a hearbeat". The simple fact is that most teams that are running teams do not do well against a solid passing team. To me, if I were a coach, that would tell me to develop a hellish passing attack. Which is what ECA did when they first started. They dont have that now and look at the games they have lost.

I know that I will never change any of your minds and I will never be convinced that running is the way to go. But if ECA is going to ever dominate again, they are going to have to put the ball in the air. Plain and simple. That's what got them to the top and thats what will get them back there.

[Texasfrog]

Ok. So perhaps I wasnt as clear as I should have been.
Running teams that are good, are good against other running teams and mediocre passing teams. It's all about clock control when you run. I figure screw clock control and outscore the opponent. By passing.

I'm not saying that you cant win games by running because it happens every week. What I'm mainly saying is why run and risk the loss when you pass and dominate. Why control the clock when you can control the game? Why 5 mins to get down the field when you can do it in 2?

The main point is that I have heard and read where coach after coach has said "the ECA pass attack will overwhelm you in a hearbeat". The simple fact is that most teams that are running teams do not do well against a solid passing team. To me, if I were a coach, that would tell me to develop a hellish passing attack. Which is what ECA did when they first started. They dont have that now and look at the games they have lost.

I know that I will never change any of your minds and I will never be convinced that running is the way to go. But if ECA is going to ever dominate again, they are going to have to put the ball in the air. Plain and simple. That's what got them to the top and thats what will get them back there.

I agree somewhat on the passing.. I think teams that have strong "balance" are even more deadly then a team that just passes 95% of the time.

But, I know ECA offense isnt running on all cyclinders and that hurts them. But, the strong ECA teams of the past also had equally strong defensives.

I'm noticing that ECA defense is really in tatters. They dont shut down teams like in the 90's and early 2000's. Their good but not dominate.

ECA in the past had great offense and great defense.

[Redneckn]

I agree somewhat on the passing.. I think teams that have strong "balance" are even more deadly then a team that just passes 95% of the time.

But, I know ECA offense isnt running on all cyclinders and that hurts them. But, the strong ECA teams of the past also had equally strong defensives.

I'm noticing that ECA defense is really in tatters. They dont shut down teams like in the 90's and early 2000's. Their good but not dominate.

ECA in the past had great offense and great defense.


I dont think ECA is hitting on any cylinders.. When compared to ECA of the past. I know they have some new(er) coaching staff and they are young. I really feel like that is part of the problem. It's just really odd that during the summer all the talk was that the O was gonna be a little weak but the D was just as strong, if not stronger than the last few years. I am wondering if they meant that last few years of 1A or if they were just talking wishfully..

Either way, the outcome has been terrible for ECA. The only good thing is that they wont have to face anymore real opponents for a while. Probably the rest of the year. But I am starting wonder if they will really be able to compete once playoffs come around. If they cant score and cant defend the run, they will have problems. 1A's in Louisiana love to run.