How well do lower classes compete and other stuff

[lonny23]

Every so often we talk about how well the lower classes compete, so I decided to crunch some numbers. I took the #1, #10, #25, and #50 team in each of the classes and used the Texas Power Ratings for my comparison.

1A
Big Sandy 147.72- 1 in 1A, 12 in 2A, 43 in 3A, 132 in 4A, and 225 in 5A.
Brackettville 128.84- 10 in 1A, 64 in 2A, 137 in 3A, 207 in 4A, and 244 in 5A.
Axtell 122.93- 25 in 1A, 110 in 2A, 162 in 3A, 214 in 4A, and 245 in 5A.
Santo 113.37- 50 in 1A, 151 in 2A, 180 in 3A, 220 in 4A, and 245 in 5A.

Big Sandy can make a deep run, but isn't title worthy. You stop being playoff-worthy in 2A around Axtell. Big Sandy and a handful could possibly compete in 3A, but not come close to a title. Nobody stands a chance in 4A or 5A. Depth, speed, and size limit the 1A teams more when they move up in class than the basic numbers show. About the best you can ask for is to have the #1 team in one class be as good as #10 in the next higher class.

2A
Celina 170.22- 1 in 2A, 2 in 3A, 19 in 4A, and 75 in 5A.
Ozona 148.11- 10 in 2A, 41 in 3A, 127 in 4A, and 223 in 5A.
Geronimo Navarro 139.77- 25 in 2A, 83 in 3A, 175 in 4A, 239 in 5A.
Paradise 131.80- 50 in 2A, 124 in 3A, 203 in 4A, and 244 in 5A.

I've always thought this is where the teams start to get better, but they don't have the depth of the higher classes.

3A
Sinton 173.02- 1 in 3A, 15 in 4A, and 55 in 5A.
Marlin 162.37- 10 in 3A, 39 in 4A, and 142 in 5A.
Lake Worth 154.09- 25 in 3A, 87 in 4A, and 195 in 5A.
Brownsboro 145.43- 50 in 3A, 144 in 4A, and 226 in 5A.

The guys at the top can play with 4A and a few can beat lesser 5A teams. The quality of play that improves with 2A is supplemented with more depth in 3A.

4A
Highland Park 190.85- 1 in 4A and 10 in 5A.
CC Flour Bluff 174.65- 10 in 4A and 42 in 5A.
Corsicana 167.20- 25 in 4A and 97 in 5A.
Alice 159.93- 50 in 4A and 158 in 5A.

There's always a few 5A title-contending teams in 4A and a handful of playoff-like teams. All they lack is 5A depth.

5A
Southlake Carroll 207.59- 1 in 5A.
Tyler Lee 190.79- 10 in 5A.
John Tyler 179.00- 25 in 5A.
Brownsville Rivera 173.29- 50 in 5A.

I said all that to get to my bottom line stat. 190+ is a 5A title contending team. 180+ is a strong 5A playoff team. 170+ gets you in the 5A playoffs and puts you in line to win some games. 160+ gets you in from a weaker district or maybe the 3rd team in a better district. 150+ is from a weak district and the only hope is to play another weak team.

1A has nobody with a hope to win a 5A playoff game. Even if the power ranking said so, they wouldn't be able to keep up.

2A has 1 team (170+) that could make the 5A playoffs on paper in a good district. They have 2 (160+) who would get in from a weak district and 4 (150+) maybes. Since it's probably fair to dock these guys 10 points for moving up in class, there are very few teams here that can play with 5A.

3A only has 1 team in the 170 range, but 12 in the 160's and 19 in the 150's. Dock these guys 5 points for moving up in class and you at least have some Bi-District playoff fodder. You have a couple that can win a playoff game in the right matchup.

4A has 1 title-contending team (190+) and 5 that can make a run (180+). The only thing 5A has on them is more quality depth. 13 teams come in the 170's, 30 in the 160's, and 66 in the 150's.

5A has 11 title-contending teams and 6 teams that can make strong runs. They have 58 teams in the 170's, 82 in the 160's, and 60 in the 150's.

This thread wouldn't be complete without a pitch for good 'ol 26-5A. They represent well in the power rankings and will probably look stronger after district. Current places are:

SV 4
Judson 9
Madison 26
Roosevelt 42
MacArthur 57
Reagan 85
Churchill 100
Lee 165

out of 244 teams. Oh yeah, Laredo United South is last in 5A AGAIN! There are 10 teams in 1A and 50 in 2A that are better than them. :D

[SLCDad]

Good stuff. I'm impressed.

[FootballJunkie]

Every so often we talk about how well the lower classes compete, so I decided to crunch some numbers. I took the #1, #10, #25, and #50 team in each of the classes and used the Texas Power Ratings for my comparison.

1A
Big Sandy 147.72- 1 in 1A, 12 in 2A, 43 in 3A, 132 in 4A, and 225 in 5A.
Brackettville 128.84- 10 in 1A, 64 in 2A, 137 in 3A, 207 in 4A, and 244 in 5A.
Axtell 122.93- 25 in 1A, 110 in 2A, 162 in 3A, 214 in 4A, and 245 in 5A.
Santo 113.37- 50 in 1A, 151 in 2A, 180 in 3A, 220 in 4A, and 245 in 5A.

Big Sandy can make a deep run, but isn't title worthy. You stop being playoff-worthy in 2A around Axtell. Big Sandy and a handful could possibly compete in 3A, but not come close to a title. Nobody stands a chance in 4A or 5A. Depth, speed, and size limit the 1A teams more when they move up in class than the basic numbers show. About the best you can ask for is to have the #1 team in one class be as good as #10 in the next higher class.

2A
Celina 170.22- 1 in 2A, 2 in 3A, 19 in 4A, and 75 in 5A.
Ozona 148.11- 10 in 2A, 41 in 3A, 127 in 4A, and 223 in 5A.
Geronimo Navarro 139.77- 25 in 2A, 83 in 3A, 175 in 4A, 239 in 5A.
Paradise 131.80- 50 in 2A, 124 in 3A, 203 in 4A, and 244 in 5A.

I've always thought this is where the teams start to get better, but they don't have the depth of the higher classes.

3A
Sinton 173.02- 1 in 3A, 15 in 4A, and 55 in 5A.
Marlin 162.37- 10 in 3A, 39 in 4A, and 142 in 5A.
Lake Worth 154.09- 25 in 3A, 87 in 4A, and 195 in 5A.
Brownsboro 145.43- 50 in 3A, 144 in 4A, and 226 in 5A.

The guys at the top can play with 4A and a few can beat lesser 5A teams. The quality of play that improves with 2A is supplemented with more depth in 3A.

4A
Highland Park 190.85- 1 in 4A and 10 in 5A.
CC Flour Bluff 174.65- 10 in 4A and 42 in 5A.
Corsicana 167.20- 25 in 4A and 97 in 5A.
Alice 159.93- 50 in 4A and 158 in 5A.

There's always a few 5A title-contending teams in 4A and a handful of playoff-like teams. All they lack is 5A depth.

5A
Southlake Carroll 207.59- 1 in 5A.
Tyler Lee 190.79- 10 in 5A.
John Tyler 179.00- 25 in 5A.
Brownsville Rivera 173.29- 50 in 5A.

I said all that to get to my bottom line stat. 190+ is a 5A title contending team. 180+ is a strong 5A playoff team. 170+ gets you in the 5A playoffs and puts you in line to win some games. 160+ gets you in from a weaker district or maybe the 3rd team in a better district. 150+ is from a weak district and the only hope is to play another weak team.

1A has nobody with a hope to win a 5A playoff game. Even if the power ranking said so, they wouldn't be able to keep up.

2A has 1 team (170+) that could make the 5A playoffs on paper in a good district. They have 2 (160+) who would get in from a weak district and 4 (150+) maybes. Since it's probably fair to dock these guys 10 points for moving up in class, there are very few teams here that can play with 5A.

3A only has 1 team in the 170 range, but 12 in the 160's and 19 in the 150's. Dock these guys 5 points for moving up in class and you at least have some Bi-District playoff fodder. You have a couple that can win a playoff game in the right matchup.

4A has 1 title-contending team (190+) and 5 that can make a run (180+). The only thing 5A has on them is more quality depth. 13 teams come in the 170's, 30 in the 160's, and 66 in the 150's.

5A has 11 title-contending teams and 6 teams that can make strong runs. They have 58 teams in the 170's, 82 in the 160's, and 60 in the 150's.

This thread wouldn't be complete without a pitch for good 'ol 26-5A. They represent well in the power rankings and will probably look stronger after district. Current places are:

SV 4
Judson 9
Madison 26
Roosevelt 42
MacArthur 57
Reagan 85
Churchill 100
Lee 165

out of 244 teams. Oh yeah, Laredo United South is last in 5A AGAIN! There are 10 teams in 1A and 50 in 2A that are better than them. :D

Besides Judson and SV no one in 26-5A is any good no matter what the numbers say.

[Redneckn]

The real question would be if you took the SLC coaching staff and moved them out to BFE High Schools in BFE Texas that is, say, your average sized 2A, what would happen?


I would bet in less than 5 years, that little 2A would be just as powerful as most 5A teams in Texas.

[FootballJunkie]

The real question would be if you took the SLC coaching staff and moved them out to BFE High Schools in BFE Texas that is, say, your average sized 2A, what would happen?


I would bet in less than 5 years, that little 2A would be just as powerful as most 5A teams in Texas.
I don't think so. Good coaching with not enough athletes (good athletes) equals not winning. Let SLC lose their athletes and no matter how well they coach they won't win. Players play the game not coaches.

[Redneckn]

All one mans opinion I guess. Really though, we'll never know because a smaller school doesnt have the funding to get bad to the bone coach most of the time. They might get one, but not a whole staff of "bad to the bone".

[Texasfrog]

The real question would be if you took the SLC coaching staff and moved them out to BFE High Schools in BFE Texas that is, say, your average sized 2A, what would happen?


I would bet in less than 5 years, that little 2A would be just as powerful as most 5A teams in Texas.

Not a chance.. Not in Texas. The lack of depth, talent, speed would get the 2A team crushed by any Texas 5A team in the top #40.

The lack of depth would really get them crushed. You're not going to take teams that have "lineman and RB, QB's" going both ways and have them compete with Texas 5A powers.

Even the top Texas 4A powers would crush them.

PS. There is some Texas 2A and 3A schools that have great coaching staffs that know football just as good as anyone coaching staff in 5A or 4A.

Lack of athletes, depth, talent and speed would get them beat.

I've seen a very few Texas 3A's that I thought could put up a fight for about a "Half" against some of the stronger Texas 5A's but the second half would get them beat (lack of depth).

That's something your overlooking when you watch teams like Leander and Westlake. Is the depth of the team.

[jrdaniel]

The real question would be if you took the SLC coaching staff and moved them out to BFE High Schools in BFE Texas that is, say, your average sized 2A, what would happen?


I would bet in less than 5 years, that little 2A would be just as powerful as most 5A teams in Texas.

2a might be a stretch, but 3a is do-able and 4a is a given. All these guys that think winning is all about the athletes don't know a whole heck of a lot. It is the program 1st and foremost that equates to winning in high school football - no matter size.

[Texasfrog]

2a might be a stretch, but 3a is do-able and 4a is a given. All these guys that think winning is all about the athletes don't know a whole heck of a lot. It is the program 1st and foremost that equates to winning in high school football - no matter size.

Talk to any Great coach and the first thing his going to tell you he needs athletes.

If you think Coach Dodge are any other so called great coach could get just any ole 11 kids and make a State Title contender team you're kidding yourself.

PS. My favortie comments are when Coach "A" says that player "A" makes me a great coach.

[mad_fan]

Besides Judson and SV no one in 26-5A is any good no matter what the numbers say.


that is the dumbest thing ive read today (and yesterday, maybe the day before, too) from what district do you come? :cool:

[jrdaniel]

Talk to any Great coach and the first thing his going to tell you he needs athletes.

If you think Coach Dodge are any other so called great coach could get just any ole 11 kids and make a State Title contender team you're kidding yourself.

PS. My favortie comments are when Coach "A" says that player "A" makes me a great coach.
Really???
Most of the time they need kids that will buy into their system and believe in what the coach is doing. Being an athlete on top of that is gravy. Athletes will get a mediocre coach to the playoffs, but a great coach will get a team with mediocre talent to the title. I know TWO Judson players off the top of my head that played in the NFL.

[Texasfrog]

Really???
Most of the time they need kids that will buy into their system and believe in what the coach is doing. Being an athlete on top of that is gravy. Athletes will get a mediocre coach to the playoffs, but a great coach will get a team with mediocre talent to the title. I know TWO Judson players off the top of my head that played in the NFL.

Ya Really... nobody is saying that High school teams need NFL players to win.

Judson always has had tons of talent, depth and speed. Alot more then 90% of the teams they play against. In the 80's & 90's Judson had tons of athletes ( school enrollment numbers). They had great Depth.

Dont give me its just the program stuff. Great Programs have some great athletes period.

I'm also not saying the team that has the most "athletes" wins State either. IF that was the case I could name several teams that are D-1A feeder schools that sometimes dont even make the playoffs.

But, to be a State contender in the 5A and even 4A level my friend. You've got some "Athletes" on that team that we're going to see on Saturdays and many of them will go on to be very good college players.

There is some great coaching staffs in Texas 5A that dont make the playoffs. I promise you they push the program and know football just as much as Coach Dodge or Coach Outlaw. Most of the time they lack "athletes" and "depth" to compete with the SLC, Lufkins, Longviews, SV, Katy's, Judsons , North Shores and about 8 other Texas powers.

It takes..

1. Great Program.
2. Great Coaching
3. Some solid athletes. (size, speed, and depth)
4. Some great coachable kids

To be competitve on the Texas 5A level -- annually.

You send Coach Dodge & Staff to Fairfield, Tx (3A) and he aint going to make them (Fairfield) were they could compete with the Texas 5A powers.

He might make them a great Texas (3A) team but he aint going to make them a (3A) that could compete with Texas 5A's.

[Texasfrog]

Really???
Most of the time they need kids that will buy into their system and believe in what the coach is doing. Being an athlete on top of that is gravy. Athletes will get a mediocre coach to the playoffs, but a great coach will get a team with mediocre talent to the title. I know TWO Judson players off the top of my head that played in the NFL.

You're assumming that the kids at Katy Cinco Ranch arent buying into the system anymore then the kids at Katy High...??

The kids at San antonio Madison dont buy into the system anymore then the kids at Judson ??

The kids at Brazoswood dont buy into the system more then the kids at Pearland ??

This kids at North Richland dont buy into the system anymore then SLC kids ??

The kids at Garland Sache dont buy into the system like the kids at Garland ??

The kids at Huntsville dont buy into the system like the kids at Lufkin ??

These are all 5A schools.

West Orange Stark and Jasper have solid coaching staffs and teams in the 3A level right now. I dont think they could compete with the top Texas #10 at all.

The lack of "depth, team speed, size" would get them beat. They would make a few plays and ect against Lufkin or SLC. But, over the coarse of 48 minutes... they would lose about 35-14 on average.

[Red Raiders]

What does this thread mean really? seriously... just wanting to know. I am confused which one your really talking about.

[Texasfrog]

Really???
Most of the time they need kids that will buy into their system and believe in what the coach is doing. Being an athlete on top of that is gravy. Athletes will get a mediocre coach to the playoffs, but a great coach will get a team with mediocre talent to the title. I know TWO Judson players off the top of my head that played in the NFL.


By the way... I know more then two Judson players over the last few years that played in the NFL.

[Texasfrog]

What does this thread mean really? seriously... just wanting to know. I am confused which one your really talking about.


Redneck made a comment that Coach Dodge (SLC) and staff could go to a Texas 2A school and make them where they (2A) school could compete with the Texas 5A's.

I say no way... it takes some "athletes, depth, speed and some solid talent" to compete with the Texas 5A powers (Top #15).

2A teams dont have the "depth" to compete I dont care how much the 2A kids buy into the system.

[clemensbuff]

The real question would be if you took the SLC coaching staff and moved them out to BFE High Schools in BFE Texas that is, say, your average sized 2A, what would happen?


I would bet in less than 5 years, that little 2A would be just as powerful as most 5A teams in Texas.

I do beleive that coaching is 85% to 90% of a HS teams success because every school has the potential athletes. But I don't think that a 2a would have enough athletes to compete with most 5a teams even if they had SLC's staff.

[jrdaniel]

I would bet in less than 5 years, that little 2A would be just as powerful as most 5A teams in Texas.
That was the statement, not "that little school could beat the powers of 5a football."

That being said, I will stand by my statement that a great program transplanted to a 3a school could compete with the bottom 123 teams in 5a.

Yes, I do believe the kids at Katy believe in their program more than Cinco Ranch, yes I do believe the same concerning Judson and Madison, SLC and Richland, etc. Winning makes those things a lot easier to decide for a teenager.

Of course any coach worth his paycheck is going to defer all credit to the kids, ie. "We don't go anywhere without those athletes out there playing the game". That is what a coach does. He orchestrates the whole show, puts players in position to succeed, and praises them when they do.

[FootballJunkie]

that is the dumbest thing ive read today (and yesterday, maybe the day before, too) from what district do you come? :cool:
So like I said after Judson and SV who is any good. Do Tell!!

[Red Raiders]

Redneck made a comment that Coach Dodge (SLC) and staff could go to a Texas 2A school and make them where they (2A) school could compete with the Texas 5A's.

I say no way... it takes some "athletes, depth, speed and some solid talent" to compete with the Texas 5A powers (Top #15).

2A teams dont have the "depth" to compete I dont care how much the 2A kids buy into the system.

Ohhh, I see now, Thanks for telling me! BTW, who is a redneck?

[Texasfrog]

Ohhh, I see now, Thanks for telling me! BTW, who is a redneck?

His one of the posters on here. He lives in Texas now but I believe he went to ECA for awhile and he backs Evangel.

[mad_fan]

So like I said after Judson and SV who is any good. Do Tell!!

where's good on your scale?

Besides Judson and SV no one in 26-5A is any good no matter what the numbers say.

compared to what? a district somewhere? a group of teams in a district that arent #1 or #2 in that district. i think they size up VERY well amongst ALL 5A teams. i just dont understand what you are saying. define good please.

[FootballJunkie]

where's good on your scale?



compared to what? a district somewhere? a group of teams in a district that arent #1 or #2 in that district. i think they size up VERY well amongst ALL 5A teams. i just dont understand what you are saying. define good please.
Meaning what is the record of all the teams in 26-5A besides Judson and SV against teams outside 26-5A. When they go outside they don't win.

[mad_fan]

Meaning what is the record of all the teams in 26-5A besides Judson and SV against teams outside 26-5A. When they go outside they don't win.

dont win what? two or three deep in the playoffs...no that's not it. okay i'll keep playing...give me the district you are talking about (where we disregard the two dominate teams) and we are left with one of your GOOD teams. please define what you mean by GOOD, I still dont understand.

[FootballJunkie]

dont win what? two or three deep in the playoffs...no that's not it. okay i'll keep playing...give me the district you are talking about (where we disregard the two dominate teams) and we are left with one of your GOOD teams. please define what you mean by GOOD, I still dont understand.
Meaning that besides Judson and SV the rest of the distict does not play good football. Reagan,Roosevelt,lee and Mcarthur sub 500 teams. Madison and churchill barley above 500.

[Covedawg]

Have any of ya'll ever been to a 2A game?

Yes, it's football just like 5A, scorng and all works the same, BUT the game is different. The coaching staff in a 2A game never get to sit down the offense or defense unless it's a time out. Nearly all the best players NEVER come off the field. The QB is most often the kicker, punter, defensive back, etc..the only real chance to work on game plan changes is at half time....Different game, almost seems a little harder to coach, at leat coach well

[Ex Buff]

I've always heard it's about the number of Sophs you start. For every Soph you start count one loss. It held up (to the number) in my playing years 84 - 86.

Doesn't mean if you don't start a Soph - you won't loose - just a rule of thumb

[Redneckn]

His one of the posters on here. He lives in Texas now but I believe he went to ECA for awhile and he backs Evangel.


Redneck...right here!!!

Yes, ECA and I "dated" off and on thru highschool. They kept dumping me because of my changing hair colors and smoking...haha...

Also.. I back ECA to this day.. even when Longview beats them relentlessly for 4 quarters...

[Texasfrog]

Have any of ya'll ever been to a 2A game?

Yes, it's football just like 5A, scorng and all works the same, BUT the game is different. The coaching staff in a 2A game never get to sit down the offense or defense unless it's a time out. Nearly all the best players NEVER come off the field. The QB is most often the kicker, punter, defensive back, etc..the only real chance to work on game plan changes is at half time....Different game, almost seems a little harder to coach, at leat coach well


That's what I'm trying to tell a few dudes on here. They claim that a very good Texas 5A coaching staff could go to a 2A school and make them winners and compete on the Tx 5A level and I say no way.

Not that they cant make the 2A team a great 2A team and even make them where they can compete with many 3A's.

but, the lack of depth, talent, speed and skill would kill them against Tx 5A powers. I dont care how great the coaching staff is.

[Texasfrog]

Your right.. I've been to some 2A games. Those kids are dragging butt after the game because they've been on the field the whole night. Its usually about 14 kids that play 95% of the game.

Their dog tired and they've been playing against another 2A team that also has kids going both ways.

So, how is that team with their 14 kids playing 95% of the game going to do against a Texas 5A that has about 35 solid kids and for the most part their team size, team speed, and overall team skill is alot better.

[Ex Buff]

I've always heard it's about the number of Sophs you start. For every Soph you start count one loss. It held up (to the number) in my playing years 84 - 86.

Doesn't mean if you don't start a Soph - you won't loose - just a rule of thumb
Hmmmm.... I guess I missed the point of the thread. Didn't read the original post. My thoughts are that smaller schools can play with bigger schools to an extent. When Clemens playes Judson in the early 80s we got beat pretty soundly. When you look at the scores at half though it was very close. Smaller schools are forced to play their "good" atheletes both ways and hence get tired in the late 3rd through 4th quarter. That is the real difference - the number of first teamers you can play one way. All teams have a few that play both ways on occasion - when you get to 4a and lower it's more starters that go both ways. No amount of conditioning can overcome having to play both ways.

[Texasfrog]

Hmmmm.... I guess I missed the point of the thread. Didn't read the original post. My thoughts are that smaller schools can play with bigger schools to an extent. When Clemens playes Judson in the early 80s we got beat pretty soundly. When you look at the scores at half though it was very close. Smaller schools are forced to play their "good" atheletes both ways and hence get tired in the late 3rd through 4th quarter. That is the real difference - the number of first teamers you can play one way. All teams have a few that play both ways on occasion - when you get to 4a and lower it's more starters that go both ways. No amount of conditioning can overcome having to play both ways.

I've seen a few dominate Texas 3A's that could come up to Tx 5A and compete very well. They wouldnt dominate and they would lose some games and no way they would win State.

[Ex Buff]

I've seen a few dominate Texas 3A's that could come up to Tx 5A and compete very well. They wouldnt dominate and they would lose some games and no way they would win State.
I agree - the only exception would be LaMarque (4a) in the past few years - I think they could have won a few state titles in 5a with the teams they had :eek: .

[Texasfrog]

I agree - the only exception would be LaMarque (4a) in the past few years - I think they could have won a few state titles in 5a with the teams they had :eek: .

Ya.. there is always a few Texas 4A's that could come up and compete with the Texas 5A powers.

Lamarque is one of those without a doubt.

I mean look at SV and SLC. Their first years up in Tx 5A and their playing for 5A titles.

Its just not as easy as some try to claim. If it were so then teams like Everman, Burnet , Denton Ryan would be dominating the new divisions their in and they dont dominate it like they did when they were lower classifications and they have the same coaching staffs.

This season I would put Ennis, Texas High, Kilgore, and Lamarque on the field with anyone in Tx 5A and feel like they will give the 5A team a respectful game.. They may not win but they'll give them a game.

[lonny23]

Meaning that besides Judson and SV the rest of the distict does not play good football. Reagan,Roosevelt,lee and Mcarthur sub 500 teams. Madison and churchill barley above 500.
You need to change your name because you're not a football JUNKIE. That indicates knowing about football. The admins said 26-5A was the best district in the state and they've been 1 or 2 every year in the last 4 years. Even the posters on this board know that 26-5A is nothing to sneeze at.

The San Antonio 5A teams (all of them) lost EXACTLY 4 games to teams outside of San Antonio last year. Waco beat Clemens, Pflugerville and SLC beat SV, and Westfield beat Judson. SA broke off a lot of wins outside of town.

Madison makes the playoffs alomst every year and has recent quarterfinal runs. They are the only team in district besides the new Reagan team to not play for a title.

Roosevelt has a good tradition and won a title in 1995.

Lee won titles in the old days, but has fallen on hard times.

Churchill has a title and was real good only a few years ago.

MacArthur played for a title in 1999.

The district is very hard. The teams that make the playoffs earn their spot and they represent well in the playoffs. The combined history of the 26-5A teams is outdone by ONLY 3-5A.

[clemensbuff]

[QUOTE=lonny23]You need to change your name because you're not a football JUNKIE. That indicates knowing about football. The admins said 26-5A was the best district in the state and they've been 1 or 2 every year in the last 4 years. Even the posters on this board know that 26-5A is nothing to sneeze at.

The San Antonio 5A teams (all of them) lost EXACTLY 4 games to teams outside of San Antonio last year. Waco beat Clemens, Pflugerville and SLC beat SV, and Westfield beat Judson. SA broke off a lot of wins outside of town.

Madison makes the playoffs alomst every year and has recent quarterfinal runs. They are the only team in district besides the new Reagan team to not play for a title.

Roosevelt has a good tradition and won a title in 1995.

Lee won titles in the old days, but has fallen on hard times.

Churchill has a title and was real good only a few years ago.

MacArthur played for a title in 1999.

The district is very hard. The teams that make the playoffs earn their spot and they represent well in the playoffs. The combined history of the 26-5A teams is outdone by ONLY 3-5A.[/QUOTE

I totally agree with you Lonny. If you make it out of 26-5a, you have a shot to win it all each and every year. The tough competition thru district play has all three playoff teams ready to do battle when the real season rolls around in week 11!

[FootballJunkie]

You need to change your name because you're not a football JUNKIE. That indicates knowing about football. The admins said 26-5A was the best district in the state and they've been 1 or 2 every year in the last 4 years. Even the posters on this board know that 26-5A is nothing to sneeze at.

The San Antonio 5A teams (all of them) lost EXACTLY 4 games to teams outside of San Antonio last year. Waco beat Clemens, Pflugerville and SLC beat SV, and Westfield beat Judson. SA broke off a lot of wins outside of town.

Madison makes the playoffs alomst every year and has recent quarterfinal runs. They are the only team in district besides the new Reagan team to not play for a title.

Roosevelt has a good tradition and won a title in 1995.

Lee won titles in the old days, but has fallen on hard times.

Churchill has a title and was real good only a few years ago.

MacArthur played for a title in 1999.

The district is very hard. The teams that make the playoffs earn their spot and they represent well in the playoffs. The combined history of the 26-5A teams is outdone by ONLY 3-5A.
Very good in history OK I will give you that. I'm talking about now last couple of years. Judson and SV then nothing. They lost more than 4 games to teams outside 26-5A last year so get your numbers right. Rest of district is living off reputation of the past.

[dragonfootballfan]

Ya.. there is always a few Texas 4A's that could come up and compete with the Texas 5A powers.

Lamarque is one of those without a doubt.

I mean look at SV and SLC. Their first years up in Tx 5A and their playing for 5A titles.

Its just not as easy as some try to claim. If it were so then teams like Everman, Burnet , Denton Ryan would be dominating the new divisions their in and they dont dominate it like they did when they were lower classifications and they have the same coaching staffs.

This season I would put Ennis, Texas High, Kilgore, and Lamarque on the field with anyone in Tx 5A and feel like they will give the 5A team a respectful game.. They may not win but they'll give them a game.
I agree with you except that I would not put Texas High as successful in 5A because they lost to John Tyler, who is improved this year, but still may not make the playoffs.

[lonny23]

Very good in history OK I will give you that. I'm talking about now last couple of years. Judson and SV then nothing. They lost more than 4 games to teams outside 26-5A last year so get your numbers right. Rest of district is living off reputation of the past.
I said all of the San Antonio 5A teams combined to lose only 4 games to teams outside of the city/area. I should've phrased it as non-district and playoff games. I posted a complete list of the games late last year. 26-5A did lose some games to teams in SA, but they won the majority.
OK, I'll throw Del Rio in this time just because they play in the district with SA teams to give the area 5 losses in 2004.

Del Rio
W Eagle Pass
L A Cooper
W L Cigarroa

Clark
W V Memorial
W CC Moody

Holmes
W CC Miller

Jay
W K Tivy

Marshall
W V Memorial
W L Nixon

O'Connor
W V Memorial
W Boerne

Taft
W L Nixon
W CC Ray

District 27-5A was 12-1 to sub-5A and non San Antonio district teams.

Southwest
W Laredo United South

San Marcos
W RR Stony Point
W P Connally
W Burnet

Clemens
L Waco
W Taylor
W Austin High

District 25-5A was 6-1 to sub-5A and non San Antonio district teams.

Judson
W L Nixon
W C Cove
W Pflugerville
W LaJoya
L S Westfield

Churchill
W RR Westwood

Roosevelt
W CC King

Smithson Valley
W RR Westwood
L Pflugerville
W Temple
W San Benito
W Clear Lake
L S Carroll

That's 10-3 for good 'ol 26-5A.

And for good measure, 26-5A also did:

Judson
W Clemens
W O'Connor

Churchill
W Clark
W Marshall

Lee
W Southwest
W Holmes
L Seguin

MacArthur
L Clark
L Taft
L Boerne

Madison
W San Marcos
W Taft
W O'Connor
W Seguin
L Taft

Reagan
L O'Connor
L Warren
W Jay

Roosevelt
W East Central
W Clemens

Smithson Valley
W San Marcos
W Clark
W Taft

That's 16-7 for 26-5A against the other San Antonio teams. 27-5A is a real good district, but not as good as 26-5A. 25-5A has some good teams, but is the worst 5A district in town. There really is some good quality football in town.

[mad_fan]

see lonny, that's why i quit playing with junkie...hard head...i think he's mad about coming from a one team district...and that team aint his.

[FootballJunkie]

see lonny, that's why i quit playing with junkie...hard head...i think he's mad about coming from a one team district...and that team aint his.
I am mad that I have a one team district luckily the one team is mine :D Seriously though after SV and Judson there is a drop off you will at least admit that???

[SLCDad]

I do beleive that coaching is 85% to 90% of a HS teams success because every school has the potential athletes. But I don't think that a 2a would have enough athletes to compete with most 5a teams even if they had SLC's staff.Well . . . SLC's staff wasn't that great before they got to SLC. Have you looked up Todd Dodge's record before he got to SLC? About 50-50. Not only that, SLC does not have the best athletes.

What makes a championship program? It's the whole package. Pride is a factor. The will to win is a factor. Expectations are a factor. Facilities are a factor. Money is a factor. Parental support is a HUGE factor. Athletes are a factor. Coaching is a factor. Tradition is a factor.

Good coaching and good athletes will only take a program so far.

[lonny23]

I am mad that I have a one team district luckily the one team is mine :D Seriously though after SV and Judson there is a drop off you will at least admit that???
Sure there's a dropoff because the first 2 teams are top 10 teams. There isn't a district in the state with 3 top 10 teams. They still have a 3rd team every year that can break off several wins and maybe get to the quarterfinals. They also have a 4th place team every year that's 6-4 or 7-3 and very good. A 4th place finish is a badge of honor and usually carries the title of best team to not make the playoffs in Texas.

[mad_fan]

Well . . . SLC's staff wasn't that great before they got to SLC. Have you looked up Todd Dodge's record before he got to SLC? About 50-50. Not only that, SLC does not have the best athletes.

What makes a championship program? It's the whole package. Pride is a factor. The will to win is a factor. Expectations are a factor. Facilities are a factor. Money is a factor. Parental support is a HUGE factor. Athletes are a factor. Coaching is a factor. Tradition is a factor.

Good coaching and good athletes will only take a program so far.

Dont want to get into stats and %s with you again, but it is closer to 40-60 before slc...that's even more cudos for dodge...so maybe we'll agree on something :D