I'm sure all the sips will find a way to twist this around on me...

[garlandowl08]

But this (http://www.texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=844546&page=1&forum_id=7) is pretty cool to me. A&M fans sponateously decided to have a yell practice to show their support for BCG and now they're made it to news outlets. Pretty darn impressive IMO.

[jtk1519]

Will lists be provided as a refreshments?

[slorch]

say goodbye to BCG for me, if you go...

Just imagine Billy Clyde thinking to himself..."Well i could have one of the most prestigious jobs in college basketball, but these guys threw a pep raly in my name..."

[jakerz]

I'd like for him to stay in all honesty, but I think he's gone for sure.

[mtbray]

Will lists be provided as a refreshments?

hahaha
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/mtbray/owned.jpg

p.s. notice how the guy is embracing his freedom to smoke while the other in the picture chooses not to. I think it's great that they can co-exist peacefully and productively.

[wide-e-wide]

I really liked pep rallies.














when I was 12.

Throw in his own private flock and give him his own scoreboard...no way in hell he leaves then.

[garlandowl08]

What exactly is that hex thing yall do then?

btw, this idea flopped. I really wish it had worked out better, only around 200 people showed up. Too bad, I think its pretty special that a coach can get any support like that from students. I don't see anyone throwing out any ideas to try and keep Barnes at t.u. ...I guess he's not as likely to leave, but it has been brought up. BTW, Gillespie will not leave A&M, at least not this year.

[BDB]

What exactly is that hex thing yall do then?

btw, this idea flopped. I really wish it had worked out better, only around 200 people showed up. Too bad, I think its pretty special that a coach can get any support like that from students. I don't see anyone throwing out any ideas to try and keep Barnes at t.u. ...I guess he's not as likely to leave, but it has been brought up. BTW, Gillespie will not leave A&M, at least not this year.

1. hex rally is a superstition.......not a chigaroo chigaroo blam blam pep rally
2.just because aggy still thinks that coach brown, and barnes are bad coaches doesnt mean they are.......infact im pretty sure that arguement has not been a stable on this site.
3. keep on dreamin' maybe not this year......but his days are numbered.

[jtk1519]

What exactly is that hex thing yall do then?

btw, this idea flopped. I really wish it had worked out better, only around 200 people showed up. Too bad, I think its pretty special that a coach can get any support like that from students. I don't see anyone throwing out any ideas to try and keep Barnes at t.u. ...I guess he's not as likely to leave, but it has been brought up. BTW, Gillespie will not leave A&M, at least not this year.

You want to keep Billy Clyde, then do what Texas is trying to do... put more butts in the seats. Yeah, a bunch of kids yelling outside his office is nice, but do you really think a few hundred students chanting in unison is going to stop him from taking the Kentucky job (or any other job)? Packing Reed and creating a home court advantage is what will keep Billy Clyde there or draw him away (that and $$$).

[slorch]

What exactly is that hex thing yall do then?

btw, this idea flopped. I really wish it had worked out better, only around 200 people showed up. Too bad, I think its pretty special that a coach can get any support like that from students. I don't see anyone throwing out any ideas to try and keep Barnes at t.u. ...I guess he's not as likely to leave, but it has been brought up. BTW, Gillespie will not leave A&M, at least not this year.

200 is a lot of people.

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anti-war campaigners

[Firebird]

By the way, all the piggy rumors yesterday had BCG announcing either late Monday or today, and that ain't happened yet. I don't see him in Arkansas.

Fan support isn't where it should be, but it has gone up every year. I'll bet that most of next year gets capacity crowds at the Reed. By the way, A&M was having no problems at all with getting students to show up by mid-season last year. They even had to revamp their ticket allotment system due to high demmand.

I think he stays at A&M unless Kentucky presses HARD.

[lonny23]

I'm sure he appreciated the effort, but the big question is how his heart feels. Many people want the best jobs and some are happy where they are. Some go for the money. For me, money is not as important as happiness. That's why, if I had a coaching acumen, I wouldn't take $30 Million a year to coach Duke, UT, or A&M.

[jtk1519]

I don't see anyone throwing out any ideas to try and keep Barnes at t.u. ...I guess he's not as likely to leave, but it has been brought up.

Yeah they did... a while back. It's pretty simple. When a coach does good, you pay him because once a coach reaches an elite school like Texas, most coaching moves are lateral more likely to be sparked by money than anything else. Texas squashed that a while back by making Barnes one of the highest paid coaches in college basketball. In fact, of the 65 tourney teams this year, only three made more money than Barnes... Ohio State's Tad Matta who only makes about $15,000 a year more than Barnes and Tubby Smith who is no longer #1 after he left Kentucky (which was paying him about $350,000 more than Barnes' $1.8 million a year) for a contract at Minnesota that will pay him right at what Barnes is making now.

Kentucky was already paying Smith almost $1 million a year more than what Billy Clyde is making now? If Kentucky threw $2.5 million a year at Billy Clyde, would aggy double his salary to match? That's a lot of money.

[slorch]

I'm sure he appreciated the effort, but the big question is how his heart feels. Many people want the best jobs and some are happy where they are. Some go for the money. For me, money is not as important as happiness. That's why, if I had a coaching acumen, I wouldn't take $30 Million a year to coach Duke, UT, or A&M.

bobby, is that you?

[twcpfan1]

What exactly is that hex thing yall do then?

btw, this idea flopped. I really wish it had worked out better, only around 200 people showed up. Too bad, I think its pretty special that a coach can get any support like that from students. I don't see anyone throwing out any ideas to try and keep Barnes at t.u. ...I guess he's not as likely to leave, but it has been brought up. BTW, Gillespie will not leave A&M, at least not this year.

I don't think the UT students or alums would care if Barnes or Brown left. They know they could do better. Has there ever been any conversations by any school about trying to lure either of those guys away from Austin at any time?

[lonny23]

bobby, is that you?
Speaking of Bobby, I bet he would've taken $5 to coach at Purdue and beat Indiana!:p

[slorch]

Speaking of Bobby, I bet he would've taken $5 to coach at Purdue and beat Indiana!:p

something tells me if he wanted it, his ole buddy Gene would have left the bench warm for him upon his departure...

There's a whole bunch of folks that would enjoy watching that story develop.

[Firebird]

Yeah they did... a while back. It's pretty simple. When a coach does good, you pay him because once a coach reaches an elite school like Texas, most coaching moves are lateral more likely to be sparked by money than anything else. Texas squashed that a while back by making Barnes one of the highest paid coaches in college basketball. In fact, of the 65 tourney teams this year, only three made more money than Barnes... Ohio State's Tad Matta who only makes about $15,000 a year more than Barnes and Tubby Smith who is no longer #1 after he left Kentucky (which was paying him about $350,000 more than Barnes' $1.8 million a year) for a contract at Minnesota that will pay him right at what Barnes is making now.

Kentucky was already paying Smith almost $1 million a year more than what Billy Clyde is making now? If Kentucky threw $2.5 million a year at Billy Clyde, would aggy double his salary to match? That's a lot of money.

Dude, Texas has a good hoops program, and it is certainly nearer to elite that A&M, but it is not an elite basketball school.

Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA....those are elite basketball schools. No school that doesn't have at least one NC can be considered elite in that sport.

[lonny23]

something tells me if he wanted it, his ole buddy Gene would have left the bench warm for him upon his departure...

There's a whole bunch of folks that would enjoy watching that story develop.
Like the people in Lubbock!:D

[wide-e-wide]

No school that doesn't have at least one NC can be considered elite in that sport.


What if the "one national championship" was 68 years ago?

[slorch]

Like the people in Lubbock!:D

Lubbock would die if they lost marsha and Knight within a year of each other.

Ok... Bobby would be missed!

[svhorns]

I don't think the UT students or alums would care if Barnes or Brown left. They know they could do better. Has there ever been any conversations by any school about trying to lure either of those guys away from Austin at any time?

We pay our coaches a nice salary... and we are the flagship school in Texas... where talent is everywhere... why leave?

[lonny23]

What if the "one national championship" was 68 years ago?
Yeah, if we're going there we also have to have a rule about name changes. I mean Texas Western and Oklahoma A&M actually won basketball titles and that doesn't say much about lately.

[twcpfan1]

We pay our coaches a nice salary... and we are the flagship school in Texas... where talent is everywhere... why leave?

You're not telling me anything I don't already know. I asked a question that I do not know the answer to. Have other schools ever been interested in Brown or Barnes?

[jtk1519]

I don't think the UT students or alums would care if Barnes or Brown left. They know they could do better. Has there ever been any conversations by any school about trying to lure either of those guys away from Austin at any time?

Are you kidding? Barnes name has come up for every major job opening in recent years. North Carolina, Tennessee, even Kentucky this year. Problem is, as jtk pointed out above, few schools can offer him what Texas is already paying him and with the financial commitment Texas has made to the facilities, staff salaries, etc., it would be very hard to present a more enticing package than what he already has.

As far as Brown, if you look carefully, you'll notice most older coaches aren't highly sought after... their assistants are and all you have to do is look at how many former assistants under Mack Brown are now college HCs or coaches in the NFL. But guys like Mack Brown, Bobby Bowden, Lloyd Carr, Jim Tressel, etc. aren't all that highly sought after (when was the last time you heard of an NFL team trying to lure away Tressel or Carr?). Of course, Mack was pursued early in his career at Texas by the Cleveland Browns and a couple other teams, but Mack wont leave until he is ready and everybody knows that.

[slorch]

We pay our coaches a nice salary... and we are the flagship school in Texas... where talent is everywhere... why leave?

You can't lose at Texas with all that going for ya....

signed
Tom Penders
John Macovick

[jtk1519]

You can't lose at Texas with all that going for ya....

signed
Tom Penders
John Macovick

Do you honestly think Penders and Mac II had the financial backing that Barnes and Brown do now? Not even close. Now days, Texas has one of the nation's top 2 largest athletic budget and is top 2 in revenue... that was not always the case. It took DeLoss Dodds and Co. a long time to build the giant and Barnes and Mack kind of topped it all off. On their watch, their respective sports have reached all-time highs.

[lonny23]

You can't lose at Texas with all that going for ya....

signed
Tom Penders
John Macovick
You forgot about Fred Akers and our friend David McWilliams!:p

They should ask Abe Lemons about all his titles!:D

I was just thinking about the good ol' days yesterday. You know when Texas had recruits and paid the coach well and still wasn't as good as Houston in football or basketball!:p

[svhorns]

Do you honestly think Penders and Mac II had the financial backing that Barnes and Brown do now? Not even close. Now days, Texas has one of the nation's top 2 largest athletic budget and is top 2 in revenue... that was not always the case. It took DeLoss Dodds and Co. a long time to build the giant and Barnes and Mack kind of topped it all off. On their watch, their respective sports have reached all-time highs.

You forgot about the best coach at the University...

[Firebird]

What if the "one national championship" was 68 years ago?

Way to bring up something that has nothing to do with anything...

No one said A&M was an elite program. All I said was that Texas wasn't...in hoops, at least.

You can't say that moving from HC B-ball at UT to HC B-Ball North Carolina is a "lateral move". No way.

[Firebird]

Yeah, if we're going there we also have to have a rule about name changes. I mean Texas Western and Oklahoma A&M actually won basketball titles and that doesn't say much about lately.


Ya'll both need to read a bit carefully and use logic...

"All A are B" does NOT imply that "All B are A."

"All elite basketball programs have at least one NC" does not imply that "All basketball programs that have at least one NC are elite".

The NC is necessary, but not sufficient, to confer "elite" status.

[jtk1519]

You forgot about the best coach at the University...

Nobody can forget Augie and he is a perfect example of what Dodds has done that has worked so perfectly. He did the same thing with Barnes and Mack. You bring in good coaches who bring instant success. You reward that instant success by paying them so it will be harder for other programs to steal them away. Their longevity leads to even more success which is met by the kind of salaries very few programs can even think of matching. All that success leads to more excitement and more fans who spend more money. Money that then goes towards keeping the facilities the best in the country which helps in winning and keeps the cycle going.

[wide-e-wide]

Yeah, if we're going there we also have to have a rule about name changes. I mean Texas Western and Oklahoma A&M actually won basketball titles and that doesn't say much about lately.

Not to mention that one national title was won by Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas. So technically Texas A&M has never won a men's national championship.

[slorch]

anyone remember a dude named gustafson?

[jtk1519]

anyone remember a dude named gustafson?

http://www.collegebaseballfoundation.org/story.php?s=97

[slorch]

he, along with Earl, made me want to go to Texas...that's how great those 2 guys were in my eyes.:eek:

I'll leave it at that.

[wide-e-wide]

anyone remember a dude named gustafson?

Coach Gus was awesome. That satin burnt orange jacket and box trucker cap. aaah the good ol' days.

[DragonBand06]

Not to mention that one national title was won by Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas. So technically Texas A&M has never won a men's national championship.
Meat judging???