What's wrong with The Valley?

[jtk1519]

Supposedly they are opening a William Jefferson Clinton High School? La Joya is breaking ground on William Jefferson Clinton Elementary and already has a Jimmy Carter High School. If you want to name a school after freakin' Bill Clinton... fine, but f'n Carter?! One of the worst presidents ever?! Good Lord. jtk has not been to the valley since he was a mere pup and he is no hurry to return, but has somebody figured out how to bottle stupidity and sell it to the people down there? Just tattoo "yellow dog Democrat" across your forehead, but don't tarnish the halls of an institution of learning with the incompetent name of Jimmy f'n Carter.

jtk is going to start his own school district. Colonel Oliver Laurence North Elementary and Rudolph William Louis Giuliani III Elementary will feed into General Colin Luther Powell Elementary which will feed into Ronald Wilson Reagan High School.

[t-long20]

im starting some schools too Al Gore and Ulysses S. Grant middle school will both feed into Herbert Hover high school and Joseph McCarthy alternative school

[Firebird]

The Valley is one of the most heavily democratic areas of the state, save for some pockets of resistance in Cameron county. La Joya is up-river Hidalgo, that's as blue as it gets.

A Democratic prez usually means good things for the valley....A lot of folks down there look back on the late 70's as good times for them. That's when the old white establishment started to give ground, when migrant workers started getting better legal protections.

Not really a surprise.

[yankee]

The Valley is one of the most heavily democratic areas of the state, save for some pockets of resistance in Cameron county. La Joya is up-river Hidalgo, that's as blue as it gets.

A Democratic prez usually means good things for the valley....A lot of folks down there look back on the late 70's as good times for them. That's when the old white establishment started to give ground, when migrant workers started getting better legal protections.

Not really a surprise.

yup...usually (usually), republicans have harsher restrictions with legal immigration laws and illegal immigration laws. since there are probably 1+ million illegals in the state of texas, and who knows how many legals, there would be reasons for naming a school after a democrat. where's a barfing icon when you need one?

[farmerfan]

Supposedly they are opening a William Jefferson Clinton High School? La Joya is breaking ground on William Jefferson Clinton Elementary and already has a Jimmy Carter High School. If you want to name a school after freakin' Bill Clinton... fine, but f'n Carter?! One of the worst presidents ever?! Good Lord. jtk has not been to the valley since he was a mere pup and he is no hurry to return, but has somebody figured out how to bottle stupidity and sell it to the people down there? Just tattoo "yellow dog Democrat" across your forehead, but don't tarnish the halls of an institution of learning with the incompetent name of Jimmy f'n Carter.

jtk is going to start his own school district. Colonel Oliver Laurence North Elementary and Rudolph William Louis Giuliani III Elementary will feed into General Colin Luther Powell Elementary which will feed into Ronald Wilson Reagan High School.

Farmer drove down Jimmy Carter Blvd last week in Atlanta. It was not a very well kept street.
However Farmer loved driving on Peachtree Industrial through Norcross. What a beautiful city.

[Firebird]

yup...usually (usually), republicans have harsher restrictions with legal immigration laws and illegal immigration laws. since there are probably 1+ million illegals in the state of texas, and who knows how many legals, there would be reasons for naming a school after a democrat. where's a barfing icon when you need one?


Republicans have done far more to piss off the good people of the valley than simply cracking down on illegal immigration. Besides, its usually Republicans who are hiring an illegal immigrant to work as their maid for below minimum wage, so I don't really take too much of their rhetoric seriously.

What's your problem with legal immigrants, yankee....

[jtk1519]

Farmer drove down Jimmy Carter Blvd last week in Atlanta. It was not a very well kept street.
However Farmer loved driving on Peachtree Industrial through Norcross. What a beautiful city.

jtk can understand Carter in Georgia, but Texas... even in a Democratic stronghold like South Texas? The guy was a bum. A horrible president that does more good during 4 minutes in the restroom than he did in the 4 years he was in office.

[yankee]

Republicans have done far more to piss off the good people of the valley than simply cracking down on illegal immigration. Besides, its usually Republicans who are hiring an illegal immigrant to work as their maid for below minimum wage, so I don't really take too much of their rhetoric seriously.

What's your problem with legal immigrants, yankee....

i have absolutely no problem with people coming in the LEGAL way...but you know the ones who came in legally have a friend or family member who didn't do it the right way, and got their *** kicked back over the border. IMO, that would make some of them mad. i think there should definetly be more restrictions coming in the legal way concerning disease, crime, etc...their hero bill clinton let immigrants into the country who were known carriers of the HIV/AIDS virus and also TB. and now it's killing them in return.

[Firebird]

i have absolutely no problem with people coming in the LEGAL way...but you know the ones who came in legally have a friend or family member who didn't do it the right way, and got their *** kicked back over the border. IMO, that would make some of them mad. i think there should definetly be more restrictions coming in the legal way concerning disease, crime, etc...their hero bill clinton let immigrants into the country who were known carriers of the HIV/AIDS virus and also TB. and now it's killing them in return.

No, Yankee, I don't know that. And I'd wager that I know a lot more immigrants than you do up in South Lake.

You have no idea what you are talking about. And trying to blame AIDS on illegal immigrants...that's a new one.

And just so you know, it is the big-business Republicans...retailers, agribusiness, etc.....that are fueling the demmand for illegal labor.

[jtk1519]

jtk heard Michael Savage talking about lining the border with tanks. jtk laughed.

[yankee]

No, Yankee, I don't know that. And I'd wager that I know a lot more immigrants than you do up in South Lake.

You have no idea what you are talking about. And trying to blame AIDS on illegal immigrants...that's a new one.

And just so you know, it is the big-business Republicans...retailers, agribusiness, etc.....that are fueling the demmand for illegal labor.

i'd wager you would too...i have a pretty damn good idea about what i am talking about. i'm doing a whole f'n report in english on illegal immigration. and it's a disgrace what's happening to this country. btw, it's also this current republican administration that's cracking down more on immigration, and on the corrupt big-business/demand. while i don't agree with everything bush had done with the immigration standard, it's better than what clinton sure did...:rolleyes: btw, illegal immigrants and immigrants in general (due to the lack of background checks and lack of thorough medical checks) are a large cause of the AIDS in the U.S.A.

[Firebird]

jtk heard Michael Savage talking about lining the border with tanks. jtk laughed.

Savage is an idiot.....

A few years back some a Marine killed a 17 year old kid up the river. The kid was doing nothing more threatning beyond herding goats, on HIS family's ranch, and carrying his .22. He never saw the Marine duo, never even knew they were there.

And you know what? I don't even blame the Marine. It's not his job to police the border, it's his job to fight wars. And in a war, you shoot first ask questions later. I blame the idiot who thought that the military should be out policing the border.

Yanquis who think that ought to ask themselves if they would support legions of soldiers tramping around THEIR backyards and ranc lands. You don't give up your civil rights just because you live on the border.

[Firebird]

i'd wager you would too...i have a pretty damn good idea about what i am talking about. i'm doing a whole f'n report in english on illegal immigration. and it's a disgrace what's happening to this country. btw, it's also this current republican administration that's cracking down more on immigration, and on the corrupt big-business/demand. while i don't agree with everything bush had done with the immigration standard, it's better than what clinton sure did...:rolleyes: btw, illegal immigrants and immigrants in general (due to the lack of background checks and lack of thorough medical checks) are a large cause of the AIDS in the U.S.A.


Sorry kid, but......

Graduate School in National Security Affairs>>>>>>>A report on illegal immigration for English class

You don't know what you are talking about.

[jtk1519]

Savage is an idiot.....

A few years back some a Marine killed a 17 year old kid up the river. The kid was doing nothing more threatning beyond herding goats, on HIS family's ranch, and carrying his .22. He never saw the Marine duo, never even knew they were there.

And you know what? I don't even blame the Marine. It's not his job to police the border, it's his job to fight wars. And in a war, you shoot first ask questions later. I blame the idiot who thought that the military should be out policing the border.

Yanquis who think that ought to ask themselves if they would support legions of soldiers tramping around THEIR backyards and ranc lands. You don't give up your civil rights just because you live on the border.

Whoa, let's not start bashing Savage here.

[yankee]

Sorry kid, but......

Graduate School in National Security Affairs>>>>>>>A report on illegal immigration for English class

You don't know what you are talking about.

believe what you want. it's people like you that are ignorant to what's happenning to this nation, and sooner or later, you will regret it.

[Firebird]

Whoa, let's not start bashing Savage here.

I will bash Savage as long as I want. He is a blithering idiot who damages the respectable and venerable political philosophy of conservatism every time he opens his idiot mouth.

[Firebird]

believe what you want. it's people like you that are ignorant to what's happenning to this nation, and sooner or later, you will regret it.


I'll make sure and keep in mind that a kid from Soutlake knows the real situation....

[yankee]

I'll make sure and keep in mind that a kid from Soutlake knows the real situation....

a kid from freaking bobville usa could pick up the literature i did and realize what is happening to us. i'm not pulling the facts out of nowhere. the information is out there.

[Firebird]

a kid from freaking bobville usa could pick up the literature i did and realize what is happening to us. i'm not pulling the facts out of nowhere. the information is out there.


Why don't you share the literature with us....

[yankee]

Why don't you share the literature with us....

gladly. where do i begin?

"Illegal Immigration Threatens America" - Frosty Wooldridge
Immigration's Unarmed Invasion- Frosty Wooldridge
"Illegal Immigrants Harm America's Economy"- S.J. Miller
"Illegal Immigration Harms Border Communities"- Phyllis Schlafly
"Stricter Immigration Policy is Essential to the War on Terror"- Michelle Malkin
"America Should Militarize Its Borders"- Sam Francis
"Illegal Immigrants Should Not Be Granted Legal Status"- William F. Jasper
"Sanctuary Policies Should Be Abolished"- Heather Mac Donald
"The REAL ID Act Will Help Control Illegal Immigration"- Mark Krikorian (great act enacted by bush IMO)

my god dude, that's just articles from one book! i've got 2 more sitting next to me if you want to hear more...

[Firebird]

gladly. where do i begin?

"Illegal Immigration Threatens America" - Frosty Wooldridge
Immigration's Unarmed Invasion- Frosty Wooldridge
"Illegal Immigrants Harm America's Economy"- S.J. Miller
"Illegal Immigration Harms Border Communities"- Phyllis Schlafly
"Stricter Immigration Policy is Essential to the War on Terror"- Michelle Malkin
"America Should Militarize Its Borders"- Sam Francis
"Illegal Immigrants Should Not Be Granted Legal Status"- William F. Jasper
"Sanctuary Policies Should Be Abolished"- Heather Mac Donald
"The REAL ID Act Will Help Control Illegal Immigration"- Mark Krikorian (great act enacted by bush IMO)

my god dude, that's just articles from one book! i've got 2 more sitting next to me if you want to hear more...

Of course you are going to get answers you want if you are reading conservative and anti-illegal columnists. I can get just as many columns and articles from illegal advocacy journalists and liberal columnists, and all of them will be just as grounded in "facts" as the ones you listed. That is to say, not at all.

That may do for a HS English report, but it is not "the literature". You're going to have to do better than Michelle Malkin there, bud.

[yankee]

Of course you are going to get answers you want if you are reading conservative and anti-illegal columnists. I can get just as many columns and articles from illegal advocacy journalists and liberal columnists, and all of them will be just as grounded in "facts" as the ones you listed. That is to say, not at all.

That may do for a HS English report, but it is not "the literature". You're going to have to do better than Michelle Malkin there, bud.

yah, i'll be sure to pick up and read that article by the American Immigration Lawyers Association. :p

[DiamondJ2]

Carter and not Calderon or Fox high school which both would, never mind.

[Firebird]

yah, i'll be sure to pick up and read that article by the American Immigration Lawyers Association. :p


You might as well....it would be just as fact based as your "sources".

The people you all quoted are unapologetic op/ed writers. They don't even pretend to be something else. What you are doing is comprable to reading the NY Times Op/Ed page expecting to get a balanced view of the Iraq war.

You can get away with that in HS, but try it in college with a report on anything and you will get back a big fat "F".

As it is, I am now convinced that you don't know what you are talking about. Before I had slight doubts.

[jtk1519]

I will bash Savage as long as I want. He is a blithering idiot who damages the respectable and venerable political philosophy of conservatism every time he opens his idiot mouth.

That's it. You're on jtk's list.

[Firebird]

That's it. You're on jtk's list.


You're on Firebird's list for even tuning in to the idiot.

[jtk1519]

You're on Firebird's list for even tuning in to the idiot.

Who else would you have jtk listen to?

[BDB]

REAGAN HIGH SCHOOL!!!:mad:

nobody did more against the middle, and lower class since the guilded age of embezzling prezidents.

reaganomics is sad.......jtk your on watch.


elprezi is sad to have to say reagan and prezident.........:(

[jtk1519]

REAGAN HIGH SCHOOL!!!:mad:

nobody did more against the middle, and lower class since the guilded age of embezzling prezidents.

reaganomics is sad.......jtk your on watch.


elprezi is sad to have to say reagan and prezident.........:(

You're a communist.

[BDB]

You're a communist.

you're a nazi.

nazi < communist

[jtk1519]

you're a nazi.

nazi < communist

You're aggy. jtk wins.

[Firebird]

REAGAN HIGH SCHOOL!!!:mad:

nobody did more against the middle, and lower class since the guilded age of embezzling prezidents.

reaganomics is sad.......jtk your on watch.


elprezi is sad to have to say reagan and prezident.........:(

Do not denigrate the Reagan, Prez. You are now on watch....... And cut out that BS about him working against the middle and lower classes.

The economic boom times of the 1990's were engineered by the Reagan/Bush administrations' sound policies....it takes a while for good policy to take effect.

Do not denigrate the Reagan.

[BDB]

You're aggy. jtk wins.

look bandwagon, im either boomer or aggy in your book. not both.

just because you know clinton did less harm then reagan doesnt mean you have to start the namecalling

[BDB]

Do not denigrate the Reagan, Prez. You are now on watch....... And cut out that BS about him working against the middle and lower classes.

The economic boom times of the 1990's were engineered by the Reagan/Bush administrations' sound policies....it takes a while for good policy to take effect.

Do not denigrate the Reagan.idk wat to say.

they say listen to your elders, people who were around to live it. everyone that talks about reagan(and doesnt have their mouths wrapped around bush's basketballs) never had posotive to say. only negative, or no preference.

not much for clinton either, but noone is pi$$ing and moaning about reagan high school

[Firebird]

idk wat to say.

they say listen to your elders, people who were around to live it. everyone that talks about reagan(and doesnt have their mouths wrapped around bush's basketballs) never had posotive to say. only negative, or no preference.

not much for clinton either, but noone is pi$$ing and moaning about reagan high school


Depends on what "elders" you listen too.

Reagan took the helm at a tough time for the US. We were suffering from four years of the most inept foreign and domestic policy this country has ever seen. The tough years of the 1980's were set up by poor policy choices and by really poor business choices in the 1970's. Reagan, and later Bush, made the tough choices, at the right times and at the end presided over what is this country's proudest moment.

By the end of the Reagan/Bush era, the Soviet Union had crumbled and the Berlin wall came down. The US stood alone as the world's greatest power. The economy had already started its rise in one of the largest peace-time expansions ever. The US had emerged from fierce competition with Japan all the better, and NAFTA revitalized both sides of the Mexican border Every indicator-- from wages, to unemployment, to poverty..was better when Reagan/Bush left that from when they entered. Anyway you look at it, the country came a long, long way from 1981..and was in much better shape.

Clinton inhereted a fine-tuned machine, and just didn't screw it up. Mostly because he had a Republican Congress to tap the brakes on his harebrained schemes.

[BDB]

USSR and China ate away at thier own cores(china was moer bad luck though). beuracracy was worse in those countries then in the U.S.

if this b.s. about file a TPS report(i love officespace) with every staple needed this country is goin in the shitter.

[Firebird]

USSR and China ate away at thier own cores(china was moer bad luck though). beuracracy was worse in those countries then in the U.S.

if this b.s. about file a TPS report(i love officespace) with every staple needed this country is goin in the shitter.

Elprez...do not argue international politics with me...especially regarding the Soviet Union--

Я забыл больше о Росиий, чем ты знаешь.

I promise you that this is not an argument a SB Greyhound is going to win.

[jtk1519]

jtk echoes what Firebird said. God help jtk.

[wide-e-wide]

a kid from freaking bobville usa could pick up the literature i did and realize what is happening to us. i'm not pulling the facts out of nowhere. the information is out there.

Bobville hates puppies and little baby Jesus.

[Winston]

If you want to name a school after freakin' Bill Clinton... fine, but f'n Carter?! One of the worst presidents ever?!

...don't tarnish the halls of an institution of learning with the incompetent name of Jimmy f'n Carter.

So do you think the current Chief Executive will have as hard a time getting schools named after him as he has had finding some outfit that will let him build his presidential library on their campus?

[jtk1519]

So do you think the current Chief Executive will have as hard a time getting schools named after him as he has had finding some outfit that will let him build his presidential library on their campus?

jtk hopes so. jtk also thinks a president should be dead for at least 5 years before they go plastering his name on a school building.

BTW, W isn't having a problem finding a location for his library... the school was found a long time ago. The problem is that SMU is having a hard time securing enough land. The library is supposed to be big... as well it should be. Has there been a presidency since those of the World Wars to witness as much as this presidency has? Good or bad, it doesn't matter. A lot of world changing stuff has happened the past 6 years and jtk doesn't expect the final 2 to be quiet.

[RedRage00]

You might as well....it would be just as fact based as your "sources".

The people you all quoted are unapologetic op/ed writers. They don't even pretend to be something else. What you are doing is comprable to reading the NY Times Op/Ed page expecting to get a balanced view of the Iraq war.

You can get away with that in HS, but try it in college with a report on anything and you will get back a big fat "F".

As it is, I am now convinced that you don't know what you are talking about. Before I had slight doubts.

It looks like you won the battle Firebird lol congrats! :D

[BDB]

Elprez...do not argue international politics with me...especially regarding the Soviet Union--

Я забыл больше о Росиий, чем ты знаешь.
.

no arugeing here. jus saying that i hate bueracracy(i dont care how its spelled)

stoopid cardinal, always thinking the world revolves around them:p

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Well, how long before this one gets locked?

[RocklandDragon]

The thread won't be locked--at least not yet. So far it's been relatively civil.

I don't like the idea of Jimmy Carter HS. Jimmy Carter to this day refuses to admit that his policies were bad. He thinks his presidency is nowhere near as bad as everyone made it out to be. Plus, his dealings with North Korea didn't help. The former Pres. was a total sucker to Kim Jong I'll.

D. Roosevelt, Kennedy, Wilson--all Democratic pres. I don't mind at all.

No to Jimmy Carter...

Gotta go back to work...will try to discuss the other matter later.

:D

[jtk1519]

FWIW, jtk doesn't like the idea of public schools being named after former presidents or political figures. The issue is just too divisive. jtk wouldn't mind seeing schools named much in the same way college buildings are named. Rich people donate money... rich people get their name on a building. jtk would much rather see Michael Dell High School or Bill Gates Middle School as opposed to Jimmy Carter High School.

[Firebird]

FWIW, jtk doesn't like the idea of public schools being named after former presidents or political figures. The issue is just too divisive. jtk wouldn't mind seeing schools named much in the same way college buildings are named. Rich people donate money... rich people get their name on a building. jtk would much rather see Michael Dell High School or Bill Gates Middle School as opposed to Jimmy Carter High School.

Firebird disagrees with this. Firebird thinks that how much money a person can pony up is not proportionate to the amount of service that person has performed in a community. Public servants often give much to a community in ways that cannot be measured, and their contriutions deserve to be remembered.


It would be a shame to see schools named after great educators, judges, war heros, and patriots replaced with corporate naming rights.

[Firebird]

jtk hopes so. jtk also thinks a president should be dead for at least 5 years before they go plastering his name on a school building.

BTW, W isn't having a problem finding a location for his library... the school was found a long time ago. The problem is that SMU is having a hard time securing enough land. The library is supposed to be big... as well it should be. Has there been a presidency since those of the World Wars to witness as much as this presidency has? Good or bad, it doesn't matter. A lot of world changing stuff has happened the past 6 years and jtk doesn't expect the final 2 to be quiet.


By the way, the academics at SMU have pitched huge fit over placing a library there, above and beyond the land issue. Some of it is politics, another is a legitamate concern.

One issue that has been raised is that, thanks to the enormous amount of government documents that the Bush Administration has classified, legitamate scholars will have almost no access to the documents at the library, and if they do gain access it will be next to worthless. There is also concern over the Bush Library Foundation denying access to the papers to scholars they deem hostile to "W".

The other issue is the think tank that is supposed to come with the library, which will be dedicated to promoting and studying the administration's policies. Many of the academic community view those policies as immoral, and thus are against hosting the think take.

I think number two is a crappy arguement, but the first one is a legitamate concern. Why should SMU agree to simply promote Bush's legacy while the foundation denies access to his papers for legitamate study. Still, the prestige of hosting a presidential library outweighs the negative impacts.

[jtk1519]

Firebird disagrees with this. Firebird thinks that how much money a person can pony up is not proportionate to the amount of service that person has performed in a community. Public servants often give much to a community in ways that cannot be measured, and their contriutions deserve to be remembered.


It would be a shame to see schools named after great educators, judges, war heros, and patriots replaced with corporate naming rights.

If one of these public servants or war heroes can find a while to properly fund an underfunded educational system, then by all means, throw their name on a building. Until then, the people that have the means to financially help education and choose to do so are the one's most deserving. It's a win/win scenario. The schools get a much needed influx of free money and the rich people get another ego boost.

[Firebird]

If one of these public servants or war heroes can find a while to properly fund an underfunded educational system, then by all means, throw their name on a building. Until then, the people that have the means to financially help education and choose to do so are the one's most deserving. It's a win/win scenario. The schools get a much needed influx of free money and the rich people get another ego boost.

Problem is, you are crazy if you think you are going to match supply with demmand. There is far more demmand for new schools that there is supply of rich folks who want their name on one. What should we do, hand out numbers until someone wants to pony up some cash? Or refuse to build a new school until someone wants to sponsor it.

Most districts have always been willing to slap a name on a school if someone is willing to give a huge donation in the form of land or money. Problem is, that doesn't happen as often as it should. Therefore, I think it is far more sensible and aesthetically pleasing to give these schools a real name honoring an influential public figure.

[jtk1519]

Why should SMU agree to simply promote Bush's legacy while the foundation denies access to his papers for legitamate study.

Because aside from being an alumnus and have at least one building already named after her, Laura Bush is also a member of SMU's board of trustees. Besides, as SMU president Gerald Turner said just a couple of months ago...

"In preserving and sharing historical documents and artifacts, the George W. Bush Presidential Library at SMU would be a tremendous resource for the study of presidential decision making in this post-9/11 era,"

There would be academics whining if Jesus Christ wanted to open a library on campus. That's what academics do... they whine. The Bushes have far too many ties to SMU and the SMU leadership wants it too bad. It's been SMU's library for a while. They're just going back and forth over the design and location.

[Firebird]

Because aside from being an alumnus and have at least one building already named after her, Laura Bush is also a member of SMU's board of trustees. Besides, as SMU president Gerald Turner said just a couple of months ago...



There would be academics whining if Jesus Christ wanted to open a library on campus. That's what academics do... they whine. The Bushes have far too many ties to SMU and the SMU leadership wants it too bad. It's been SMU's library for a while. They're just going back and forth over the design and location.

I agree it's whining, but you insinuated in your post that there was no problem with the library other than the land issue. That's not quite true.

I disagree with the whiners, but they are causing a tremendous ruckus. I am merely trying to lay out their position.

[jtk1519]

Problem is, you are crazy if you think you are going to match supply with demmand. There is far more demmand for new schools that there is supply of rich folks who want their name on one. What should we do, hand out numbers until someone wants to pony up some cash? Or refuse to build a new school until someone wants to sponsor it.

Most districts have always been willing to slap a name on a school if someone is willing to give a huge donation in the form of land or money. Problem is, that doesn't happen as often as it should. Therefore, I think it is far more sensible and aesthetically pleasing to give these schools a real name honoring an influential public figure.

Of course it's not enough... it never will be, but if you need $100 million to run a school district and somebody wants to donate $2 million towards the building of a new school, would you turn them down because that is "not enough"? Would you turn down that needed money so as to name a school after a politician? jtk wouldn't.

[jtk1519]

I agree it's whining, but you insinuated in your post that there was no problem with the library other than the land issue. That's not quite true.

There's really not. The academics think they are causing a problem, but when you are a big university (or a prestigious one) there is always going to be a segment of the academic population that disagrees with everything that goes on. In the end, their demands are often ignored.

[Firebird]

Of course it's not enough... it never will be, but if you need $100 million to run a school district and somebody wants to donate $2 million towards the building of a new school, would you turn them down because that is "not enough"? Would you turn down that needed money so as to name a school after a politician? jtk wouldn't.

But no school districts would turn down that needed money. In my hometown alone, there are at least three schools bearing the name of a local philanthropist that dedicated land or money to the ISD. I have never heard of a school district refusing donated funds for the privilege of naming a school after a politico.

But, if you don't have a donor, but need a new school anyway (as is most often the case), what is wrong with naming it after an influential public servant?

[jtk1519]

But, if you don't have a donor, but need a new school anyway (as is most often the case), what is wrong with naming it after an influential public servant?

Okay, if it's a local politician that directly impacted his educational community, then fine... that's worthy if there is no donor. Otherwise, name the school after a few retention ponds or a hill. However, if you are going to name a school in my city after a president, I would like to see what that president did for education in my community.

jtk attended O.H. Cooper High School... so named after Oscar Henry Cooper who served as president of numerous universities including Hardin-Simmons in Abilene. Mr. Cooper made a tangible impact on the educational system in Abilene and his name gracing the side of a school seems worthy. Jimmy Carter's does not, but jtk will yield to anyone presenting tangible evidence showing how President Carter directly impacted the La Joya area educational system.

[Firebird]

Okay, if it's a local politician that directly impacted his educational community, then fine... that's worthy if there is no donor. Otherwise, name the school after a few retention ponds or a hill. However, if you are going to name a school in my city after a president, I would like to see what that president did for education in my community.

jtk attended O.H. Cooper High School... so named after Oscar Henry Cooper who served as president of numerous universities including Hardin-Simmons in Abilene. Mr. Cooper made a tangible impact on the educational system in Abilene and his name gracing the side of a school seems worthy. Jimmy Carter's does not, but jtk will yield to anyone presenting tangible evidence showing how President Carter directly impacted the La Joya area educational system.

I can understand this viewpoint,and certainly can't fault anyone for holding to it.

As far as personal preferences go, I think that you ought to be dead before you get things named after you, unless you pony up the dought. I also prefer the more national figures, simply because I think it offers a good chance to connect kids with their nation's or state's history. In Harlingen, most every single elemnetary school was named after a Texas Revolutionary hero, or great Texas patriot and I like that tradition. I am glad I attended Stephen F. Austin Elementary school.

But again, it's not something I will get up in arms over. I can understand the view of using local figures.

[jtk1519]

I can understand this viewpoint,and certainly can't fault anyone for holding to it.

As far as personal preferences go, I think that you ought to be dead before you get things named after you, unless you pony up the dought. I also prefer the more national figures, simply because I think it offers a good chance to connect kids with their nation's or state's history. In Harlingen, most every single elemnetary school was named after a Texas Revolutionary hero, or great Texas patriot and I like that tradition. I am glad I attended Stephen F. Austin Elementary school.

But again, it's not something I will get up in arms over. I can understand the view of using local figures.

See, jtk likes more regionalization in the naming of schools. Good example... the Leander ISD has a Laura Bush Elementary. jtk likes this. Laura Bush is a graduate of The University of Texas, lived a good part of her life in the Austin area and was well known for her efforts to better education. jtk also likes the way the Abilene ISD names their new schools. Clack Middle School is named after Tommie and Bobbie Clack who taught in Abilene for more than 40 years. The newest school opening soon in Abilene, Byron Craig Middle School, is named after an Abilene educator who widely credited with modernizing the teaching of mathematics in the AISD.

It is jtk's opinion that most kids know who Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are, but how many of them know of the educators and politicians that bettered the educational system at the local level generations ago? How many kids in Abilene would know who OH Cooper or Byron Craig were had they not attended a school named in their honor? Not that jtk has a problem either way.

[slorch]

im starting some schools too Al Gore and Ulysses S. Grant middle school will both feed into Herbert Hover high school and Joseph McCarthy alternative school

now that was funny!:D

[yankee]

You might as well....it would be just as fact based as your "sources".

The people you all quoted are unapologetic op/ed writers. They don't even pretend to be something else. What you are doing is comprable to reading the NY Times Op/Ed page expecting to get a balanced view of the Iraq war.

You can get away with that in HS, but try it in college with a report on anything and you will get back a big fat "F".

As it is, I am now convinced that you don't know what you are talking about. Before I had slight doubts.

oh, i have some kind of idea, trust me. i have read and reread the pathetic excuses the liberals sometimes say. in fact, i'm going to use it in my report. it's hilarious to hear them say "illegal immigration is not harmful to the united states"...ummmm. key word there. "illegal".

i have to write this report, and take a stance. sure, i'll look at what the libs have to say. one writes how republicans greatly exaggerate the numbers of illegal immigrants coming into the nation. i agree with the fact that the numbers are exaggerated, but i also don't believe only 105,000 illegals come into the country like he says. plus, that statements is just wrong. the author goes on to bash the republicans on their claims and yet says nothing about how that's 105,000 too many illegals coming into our nation. and the numbers just don't compute. in 1999, the Border Patrol recorded 17,651 illegal immigrant catches, just in the Port Isabel, Texas area. one town! that means that there are roughly only 80,000 other immigrants coming into the country? with major cities like el paso, san diego, laredo...sitting right on the border? right...

you know, it's a tough situation for me on what to believe and what not to believe. everybody tells differnt numbers and comes up with different stats. my english essay is to take a stance on a controversial topic in today's world. illegal immigration happens to be one, and that's why i picked it. i have read both sides of the story, from multiple credible sources, and i have my stance, as you can see.

[dragons08]

yankee wins.

first off, for this essay you have to research BOTH sides of the point. the first essay is informative research, second is persausive, and the third is, i catn remember. in order to do #1, you must look at both sides, and gather an opioion and theories, to promote at the end of the 1st essay, to transtiotion to second.

yankee, get forest on here, he'll own everyone, hell, he'll convince wide to love Southlake.

[yankee]

yankee wins.

first off, for this essay you have to research BOTH sides of the point. the first essay is informative research, second is persausive, and the third is, i catn remember. in order to do #1, you must look at both sides, and gather an opioion and theories, to promote at the end of the 1st essay, to transtiotion to second.

yankee, get forest on here, he'll own everyone, hell, he'll convince wide to love Southlake.

now THAT would be funny! i bet he could do it too. :p

[t-long20]

he'll convince wide to love Southlake.

doing that will be like convincing wide to love the aggies

[Winston]

oh, i have some kind of idea, trust me. i have read and reread the pathetic excuses the liberals sometimes say. in fact, i'm going to use it in my report. it's hilarious to hear them say "illegal immigration is not harmful to the united states"...ummmm. key word there. "illegal".

Evidently being a law-abiding citizen means a great deal to you. Obviously this means next time you exceed the speed limit, operate your vehicle with an open container of alcohol in it or videotape a football game without the express written permission of the NFL, etc, you agree to be deported. Now don't go "liberal" and "flip flop" on us, because that is exactly what you are saying there, John Kerry.

I personally would rather have people in this country willing to work for less than minimum wage to harvest my food, etc. because A) I don't want to do it myself and B) I don't want to pay a million times what I do now at the grocery store and for other relatively inexpensive products and services that I now take for granted.

Anyone who doesn't take free market dynamics into account and address it with regard to the immigration issue is not really approaching the issue like a true conservative IMHO.

[AZTiger]

Is illegal immigration good or bad? Both. Bad because it can drain public services, good because, let's face...a lot of them do jobs than the worthless bottom of the barrell meth addict white trash folk would do (which is nothing...they just want to rob houses to support their habit).

But I don't want to argue that. I think Katy ISD has a good way of naming schools, and Ft. Bend does the same, they name schools after distinguished educators from the district.

[Firebird]

Evidently being a law-abiding citizen means a great deal to you. Obviously this means next time you exceed the speed limit, operate your vehicle with an open container of alcohol in it or videotape a football game without the express written permission of the NFL, etc, you agree to be deported. Now don't go "liberal" and "flip flop" on us, because that is exactly what you are saying there, John Kerry.

I personally would rather have people in this country willing to work for less than minimum wage to harvest my food, etc. because A) I don't want to do it myself and B) I don't want to pay a million times what I do now at the grocery store and for other relatively inexpensive products and services that I now take for granted.

Anyone who doesn't take free market dynamics into account and address it with regard to the immigration issue is not really approaching the issue like a true conservative IMHO.

Not only that, but there is a disturbing tendancy to equate "illegal" with "wrong" and "harmful" among some circles. You can certainly take the position that t is wrong, always and everywhere to break the law, but it leads you down a difficult road.

If you abide by that precept then you would have been furious with Civil Rights activists who violated segregation laws back in the 1960's. You would have had to agree to send an escaped slave back to his chains if you were a Northerner in the pre-Civil War era. It is sheer hubris to assume that our present day laws in this country are the equivalent of moral precepts.

You are spot-on with your free market assessment. We have a demmand that these illegal immigrants are filling. You have to expect that a demmand vacuum will attract a supply to fill it. Perhaps a wiser idea would be to allow much freerer legitamate immigration for the vast bulk of illegal immigrants who simply want to grow and cook your food for you at wages better than they can get back home. I just don't see why we are so scared of them.

[DragonBand06]

doing that will be like convincing wide to love the aggies

No, remember, he loves the Aggies, 'cause we're such ******* idiots he likes to watch us walk around bumping into stuff cause our heads are so far up our *****.

[wide-e-wide]

No, remember, he loves the Aggies, 'cause we're such ******* idiots he likes to watch us walk around bumping into stuff cause our heads are so far up our *****.

If I could only get the rest of the aggy faithful to realize that...

[RPM]

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