I don't THINK USC is #1...agree/disagree?

[TheProphet]

USC is more hyped up than any other team has ever been during my days of watching college football. But with my trusty ESPN gamecast, I have seen all the good teams play, and just don't think they are the best team in the country.

1) Bar the OU game, that was a quicksand trap...USC never plays anyone that is any good...Remember Cal who was overranked all year losing to Tech in the Holiday bowl, well they ALMOST beat SC at home...

2) Hawaii, possibly one of college football's bottom 10 teams, was able to play ball control on SC and sustain a good opening drive until an ill advised pass netted USC a defensive touchdown.

3) Forget Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush, for postion, Darnell Bing is the best player on that team, however, if your safety is your leading tackler...thats bad news...

4) Pac 10 teams are the worst defensively. Hence, its easy to having offensive Heisman candidates...

I guess they get the ole Southlake nod for now. Your #1 until someone can beat you... but Texas, Georgia, Florida, Ohio State, and VT could and should be ranked as high.

P.S. on sept 10 you saw the two best defenses in college football...UT/OSU

[Favpack]

You're joking on Hawaii and Leinart, right? (and Bush). Ivan Maisel stated today he thinks Leinart may end up the greatest qb in college history - and he may be right. Bush is for real - for real, real.

And, Hawaii is an ok team - not bottom ten. What was that score - 55-17? And, you're suggesting the Warriors may have almost won?

USC can be beat - but they are clearly No. 1.

[dragons08]

USC is number one, you can make a case for texas after the OU game, if UT wins that, id understand the UT number one considerations till then USC is numero uno

[dragonfootballfan]

Right now it is too early to tell who should be number one. USC is looking pretty good, but they did lose a lot of people on the defensive side of the ball. Their schedule is pretty easy which helps, but they will be getting everybody's A game every week which does set up for some upset chances

[GarlandOwl06]

USC is more hyped up than any other team has ever been during my days of watching college football. But with my trusty ESPN gamecast, I have seen all the good teams play, and just don't think they are the best team in the country.

1) Bar the OU game, that was a quicksand trap...USC never plays anyone that is any good...Remember Cal who was overranked all year losing to Tech in the Holiday bowl, well they ALMOST beat SC at home...

2) Hawaii, possibly one of college football's bottom 10 teams, was able to play ball control on SC and sustain a good opening drive until an ill advised pass netted USC a defensive touchdown.

3) Forget Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush, for postion, Darnell Bing is the best player on that team, however, if your safety is your leading tackler...thats bad news...

4) Pac 10 teams are the worst defensively. Hence, its easy to having offensive Heisman candidates...

I guess they get the ole Southlake nod for now. Your #1 until someone can beat you... but Texas, Georgia, Florida, Ohio State, and VT could and should be ranked as high.

P.S. on sept 10 you saw the two best defenses in college football...UT/OSU

I cant believe what Im reading! This is one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen. USC has won back to back national championships and youre saying theyre not good at football???? And Matt Leinart won the heisman and youre trying to say hes not good!!! Amazing.

[farmerfan]

I cant believe what Im reading! This is one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen. USC has won back to back national championships and youre saying theyre not good at football???? And Matt Leinart won the heisman and youre trying to say hes not good!!! Amazing.


All though I dont agree with him either, he stated what he thinks. Many people believe USC is overrated, many thought they were a year ago and they took OU to the woodshed. I think USC is a team that plays to the level of its competition, they can get relaxed at times and that could come back to bite them in the butt. However I think they make it back to the BCS Championship game, with the game being played in Pasadena and the chance to be the 1st team to win 3 consecutive national titles, I think they will get back to Pasadena and I believe it will be a difficult task to beat them in the Rose Bowl.

[businesstron]

Lets Face it USC is #1 and they show up in the big game.....or hell basically when ever they need to. Last year I thought they were an overrated team playing in a weak conference but after that beating they put on OU....they are the exception a great team in a weak conference. Their OC is gone but they are still well coached and stacked across the line. Hawaii isn't a great team but they are decent. I don't think there are many teams that shut out Hawai since they like to throw the ball and do a decent job with it. 2 Nc in a row makes them the king until they more or less lose.

[TheProphet]

I never said they weren't good at football, and Ivan Maisel is like 0/100 in his last predictions. I didn't suggest Hawaii almost beat them either, I merely said that Hawaii was able to keep the ball for 10 minutes due to weakness in the front seven. And I asked agree or disagree, I didn't make a blatant statement. But, Matt Leinart is not the best QB college football has ever had, not even close. USC has really won more like 1.5 in a row, because the year before OU and LSU were the powerhouse teams, by far, and everyone knew it. Plus, I don't remember much OU is gonna beat USC talk last year, I remember more, who should play USC, OU or Auburn. Just saying, I think its unfair to put USC at #1 automatically, but like I said the get Southlake heir rights until someone beats them, which will be hard to do since ND is the only legit top 15 team they play, yeah Cal is overrated, and they play the National Championship in their home stadium, forsaken all else.

[wide-e-wide]

I want USC to be #1...all year.
I want them to stroll into the Rose Bowl with a big fat #1 on their chest...
Nothing would be sweeter than to see the Longhorns beat them that way...and Vince can do the Heisman pose right in Leinart's backyard...OMG I would laugh until Valentine's Day.

News Flash- Leinart isn't that good. Reggie Bush is.
And Tom Brady isn't that good either. It's the team around him....
and just so you won't say I am biased....Troy Aikman wasn't that good either. He was deadly in the playoffs though. It's all about the supporting cast. If you switch Leinart with Vince...Texas would be in the Cotton Bowl this year. However, USC would go down as one the greatest teams ever. Vince and Reggie Bush?...Oh my Lord...that would be awesome.

[farmerfan]

Why is it you guys don't think Leinart is that good? Im not trying to flame or get anything started, I just want to know the reasons why you all think Leinart is not that good.

[wide-e-wide]

The genius was with Norm Chow and Pete Carroll...
Leinart has an really good supporting cast...but he has
struggled in some games where he should not have..i.e. CAL
I think if you spend a 1st round pick on Leinart you will be very,very
disappointed. He did show up against ou in the Orange Bowl I will give him that...but he isn't the best player in the country. Hell, he isn't even the best player on his own team.

[TheProphet]

Its like algebra, Vince is a direct equation, Leinart is inverse. Vince makes everyone around him better, his legs free up receivers and lanes for running backs. They also avoid sacks making his O-line look nicer. On top of that, the team feeds from his confidence. Leinart feeds off Reggie Bush. He gets sacked every time the line breaks, and Reggie Bush creates open receivers for him to hit. To be honest, if the Heisman hadn't been a total joke last year, I would probably be like Hey Leinart plays well with his team. But talk of him being the best QB in college history is ridiculous, and I have a big mouth, so I try to be a message board hero and bash the top dawg...

O my Heisman comment, Alex Smith in NY over Cedric Benson? Adrian Peterson ranked above Jason White? Give Leinart the Heisman, o well, but my God, at least invite the best running back in college football to the banquet...

[wide-e-wide]

Oh I agree ...Ced got screwed last year.
Texas beats ou...Ced wins the Heisman...just my opinion.

[farmerfan]

Its like algebra, Vince is a direct equation, Leinart is inverse. Vince makes everyone around him better, his legs free up receivers and lanes for running backs. They also avoid sacks making his O-line look nicer. On top of that, the team feeds from his confidence. Leinart feeds off Reggie Bush. He gets sacked every time the line breaks, and Reggie Bush creates open receivers for him to hit. To be honest, if the Heisman hadn't been a total joke last year, I would probably be like Hey Leinart plays well with his team. But talk of him being the best QB in college history is ridiculous, and I have a big mouth, so I try to be a message board hero and bash the top dawg...

O my Heisman comment, Alex Smith in NY over Cedric Benson? Adrian Peterson ranked above Jason White? Give Leinart the Heisman, o well, but my God, at least invite the best running back in college football to the banquet...

I think the best RB in college football was present :D

As far as Leinart being the best player in College football, I will agree with you, and he is not the best player on his team. That said, in my mind he is still a great QB, you don't win 2 national championships including one as a sophmore without being good. Also he won a national title as a first year starter. His stats speak for themselves, he has completed over 65% of his passes, thrown 74 td passes to only 15 Int, he broke in a brand new receiving corp last year, and brought them back against Va Tech completing 11 consecutive passes in the 2nd half. His game against Cal was not a great game, but he still put up decent numbers,15-24-1in-2TD for 165yards. I also look at the 2 bowl games, the Rose against Michigan and the Orange against OU, in those 2 games he is 41-69-0in-8TD and 659 yards. To some they say it is the guys he has around him, but it takes a great QB to get them the ball on a consistant basis and Leinart does just that. Norm Chow deserves some credit, but you can't coach intellegence, and that is what Leinart possess. I would take Matt Leinart on my team any day of the week, he is a proven winner and I think he will be in the NFL as well, of course this is all opinion and time will tell as the season progresses.

[wide-e-wide]

Let me clean up my previous statement.
Leinart is good...he just isn't as good as they
make him out to be. The media has him up there
with Montana and Marino already and he hasn't even
suited up in the NFL.
Last time they did that....well...Gino Toretta screwed
up my order at IHOP last weekend.

[FootballJunkie]

Leinart is a good QB perhaps the best right now, as for Norm Chow being the reason they won well he is not there now so if they continue to win then perhaps Pete Caroll will get his due for coaching as well as recruiting the team he has put together out there. After USC won because of that bogus pass interference call in that VA Tech game they should have lost I thought they may be overrated but on the same note they did win and went on to beat everyone on their schedule to include the "National Championship" game so until they lose on the field they are number #1. They can't help the other teams in the Pac-10 are considered weak they play who is on the schedule and win what else can you ask of them.

[farmerfan]

Leinart is a good QB perhaps the best right now, as for Norm Chow being the reason they won well he is not there now so if they continue to win then perhaps Pete Caroll will get his due for coaching as well as recruiting the team he has put together out there. After USC won because of that bogus pass interference call in that VA Tech game they should have lost I thought they may be overrated but on the same note they did win and went on to beat everyone on their schedule to include the "National Championship" game so until they lose on the field they are number #1. They can't help the other teams in the Pac-10 are considered weak they play who is on the schedule and win what else can you ask of them.

I dont think the Pac 10 is as weak as people say it is. This year the PAC 10 has teams such as UCLA,Oregon,Cal and Arizona State to go along with USC, I would argue that it is as strong a confrence as the BIG 12, but thats already been debated in another thread and we dont need to bring it back up in this topic. I just think people tend to overlook the PAC10.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

USC is kinda like the New England Patriots. Matt and Reggie equal Brady and Dillion...the argument of "USC is not #1 is only wishful thinking on many peoples part"...

...it's simple, they're #1 until someone beats them.

Here's a point, however: OU turned the ball over 5 times against USC in the Orange Bowl....4 of those came on their own half of the field.(3 inside their own 20) 35 of their 55 points were results of turnovers.

My point is if Texas played against USC, the way they played against OSU....the score would have been 55-19, as well.

Is USC beatable? Yes! Can you play mistake prone football against them and have a chance? No! Texas, Florida, Georgia, VT and LSU will have to play their best game against USC....so they have a long way to go throughout the season. And don't forget USC almost lost to UCLA and VTech last year, because they played a bad game. The Orange Bowl was the perfect night for them....they had an equal opponent that played a horrible game, so the score showed alot of mistakes, on OU's part.

We'll see at the end of the year.

[stevefoxsc]

we'll folks we'll find out after the notre dame game if they can win maybe usc isn't so overated but still is beatable

[TheDuke]

we'll folks we'll find out after the notre dame game if they can win maybe usc isn't so overated but still is beatable


I AGREE! I think we will see a game it this match up!

[farmerfan]

I AGREE! I think we will see a game it this match up!

Notre Dame still hasnt shown me anything to make a believer out of me. Thye beat a horrible Pittsburgh team, and beat a Michigan team without Michael Hart, who also turned the ball over inside there 5 2 times. The media loves ND, and they love to see success out there, however they are just setting the Irish up for a fall. In my opinion, I think USC will overwhelm ND with speed when they meet, just like the last two years, ND does not have the horses to keep up with USC.

[TheProphet]

Mich has that big offensive line, a lot like UT and some good receiver. The backup RB wasnt all that bad. Chad Henne is trash. I'd take Stephen McGee and Colt McCoy over him anyday of the week. But ND has done two things these first two weeks. They have won in hostile enviorments, and they haven't messed up. Now last year aggy did that then saved all their mistakes for UT's 2nd half and the Cotton Bowl. So we'll see. But bet on one thing. If ND is undefeated at the time they play USC it will be a top 5 matchup cause sports writers always overrate ND. So it will be a top 5 matchup at ND's place, and really should be a good game

[farmerfan]

Mich has that big offensive line, a lot like UT and some good receiver. The backup RB wasnt all that bad. Chad Henne is trash. I'd take Stephen McGee and Colt McCoy over him anyday of the week. But ND has done two things these first two weeks. They have won in hostile enviorments, and they haven't messed up. Now last year aggy did that then saved all their mistakes for UT's 2nd half and the Cotton Bowl. So we'll see. But bet on one thing. If ND is undefeated at the time they play USC it will be a top 5 matchup cause sports writers always overrate ND. So it will be a top 5 matchup at ND's place, and really should be a good game


I dont know if id call Chad Henne trash, the numbers he put up as a freshman were incredible, granted Braylon Edwards might have had something to say about it, however he is still a good QB. The thing about Michigan is they wait till midseason to usually hit there peak, they traditionaly start out slow, which is one reason why they are 0-5 in their last 5 road openers. Notre Dame's win over Pitt does not look that impressive considering Pitt just lost to Ohio, and I would not call Notre Dame playing in Pittsburgh a hostile envrionment, anywhere ND goes they are going to have a large crowd rooting for them, Pittsburgh is close to South Bend and is home to many Notre Dame alumni as well as fans so I would say that the crowd Notre Dame endured at Heinz Field was far from Hostile,
Also as far as Michigan goes, Notre Dame for years has had Michigans number, whether the game is played in Ann Arbor or in South Bend, for some reason Notre Dame usually beats Michigan. As far as the Michigan crowd goes, I don't think I have ever heard a more quiet 100,000 people in my life than when watching a Michigan game. For some reason the Big House does not seem as hostile a place as Happy Valley, Ohio Stadium or Iowa City.
Maybe my hated for Notre Dame is a reason why I am not giving them credit for these two wins. I just dont think they are that great a football team, and only the media would take a unranked Notre Dame team, and within 2 weeks move them into the top 10, I still have not figured that one out yet.

[FootballJunkie]

we'll folks we'll find out after the notre dame game if they can win maybe usc isn't so overated but still is beatable
Who said Notre Dame was that good they beat a PITTSBURG team that is 0-2 and lost to Ohio University and they beat Michigan 17-10 I mean not like they are blowing people off the map. If USC played Notre Dame tomorrow they would win by at least 3 touchdowns.

[Mad Hatter]

better ewatch out for ND if they finish anywhere in the top 5 in bcs standings they will probably get the nod to play in the national championship becasue there ND..... Wouldnt it be crap if it finished like this

1: USC
2: Texas
3: Flordia
4:Notre Dame

And with ND 1 loss to USC but they some how make it into the national champion ship game....However if ND does beat USC they could be ranked last ad would be #1 a week later. ND goes to a big bowl game becasue of there Alumni.

[FootballJunkie]

better ewatch out for ND if they finish anywhere in the top 5 in bcs standings they will probably get the nod to play in the national championship becasue there ND..... Wouldnt it be crap if it finished like this

1: USC
2: Texas
3: Flordia
4:Notre Dame

And with ND 1 loss to USC but they some how make it into the national champion ship game....However if ND does beat USC they could be ranked last ad would be #1 a week later. ND goes to a big bowl game becasue of there Alumni.

I could see that happening. Who else but ND would have a TV contract renewed after a losing season and a special clause in the BCS system just for them, so I could see them leapfrogging a lot of teams just because they are ND.

[Mad Hatter]

hell they went from 20 to 10 in 1 week if i were somewhere between 11 and 19 i would be pissed.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

better ewatch out for ND if they finish anywhere in the top 5 in bcs standings they will probably get the nod to play in the national championship becasue there ND..... Wouldnt it be crap if it finished like this

1: USC
2: Texas
3: Flordia
4:Notre Dame

And with ND 1 loss to USC but they some how make it into the national champion ship game....However if ND does beat USC they could be ranked last ad would be #1 a week later. ND goes to a big bowl game becasue of there Alumni.

Now, after the Big Ten fell through....the SEC teams will knock each other off...and if Texas goes undefeated and ND beats USC in South Bend you could have this...

Texas Longhorns vs Notre Dame Fighting Irish....

....for the BCS National Championship.

Texas will have had wins over #9 Ohio State, #17 Oklahoma, Texas A&M, #19 Tech and probably #24 Iowa State in the Big XII Championship.

ND will have had wins over #14 Michigan, #1 USC, #4 Tennessee and #11 Purdue.

*The rankings are from USAToday Top 25.

[TheProphet]

well the real top 5 are USC texas ohio state florida and well i dont know, but those top 4 teams, the osu loss to ut will be looked over as the season progresses

[FootballJunkie]

Now, after the Big Ten fell through....the SEC teams will knock each other off...and if Texas goes undefeated and ND beats USC in South Bend you could have this...

Texas Longhorns vs Notre Dame Fighting Irish....

....for the BCS National Championship.

Texas will have had wins over #9 Ohio State, #17 Oklahoma, Texas A&M, #19 Tech and probably #24 Iowa State in the Big XII Championship.

ND will have had wins over #14 Michigan, #1 USC, #4 Tennessee and #11 Purdue.

*The rankings are from USAToday Top 25.

That's true except you still have the possibility of one SEC team and one ACC team being undefeated along with the two teams you mentioned and that is the downfall of the whole BCS and the reason for a playoff system

[TheProphet]

BCS is trash, amen

[ThEgReAtOnE]

That's true except you still have the possibility of one SEC team and one ACC team being undefeated along with the two teams you mentioned and that is the downfall of the whole BCS and the reason for a playoff system

Heck yeah! The BCS is useless. It's just a way to take the blame off of the voters and keep money, from Bowl games, in the pockets of the schools' AD's.

It's a true travesty what goes on in NCAAF.

[Mad Hatter]

A&M will be a top 25 team b4 end of season. They always stumble early.

[mad_fan]

I could see that happening. Who else but ND would have a TV contract renewed after a losing season and a special clause in the BCS system just for them, so I could see them leapfrogging a lot of teams just because they are ND.

ND gets TV contracts, winning and losing seasons because the games consistently draw audience...consistently. As for their arrangement with the BCS, they are INDEPENDENT, none of the trappings of a conference, but none of the $$$ from a conference either.

[mad_fan]

Notre Dame still hasnt shown me anything to make a believer out of me. Thye beat a horrible Pittsburgh team, and beat a Michigan team without Michael Hart, who also turned the ball over inside there 5 2 times. The media loves ND, and they love to see success out there, however they are just setting the Irish up for a fall. In my opinion, I think USC will overwhelm ND with speed when they meet, just like the last two years, ND does not have the horses to keep up with USC.

just for clarification...who are "the media?" :confused: just wondering.

[FootballJunkie]

just for clarification...who are "the media?" :confused: just wondering.
The media meaning NBC for giving them the contract and any announcer on any sports show that hypes them as the second coming after 2 games. I guess that is the "Media" he is talking about.

[mad_fan]

The media meaning NBC for giving them the contract and any announcer on any sports show that hypes them as the second coming after 2 games. I guess that is the "Media" he is talking about.

Okay, but as I said, I think a network only signs them because it is a $$$ money maker for the network. As for the announcers, I dont think they are all on broad with ND, but I may only be hearing the ones who arent. Im certain all the commentators, pundits, etc are not on board.

[FootballJunkie]

Okay, but as I said, I think a network only signs them because it is a $$$ money maker for the network. As for the announcers, I dont think they are all on broad with ND, but I may only be hearing the ones who arent. Im certain all the commentators, pundits, etc are not on board.
No denying they are a big draw and make money. Most announcers are saying how good they are and Weiss is THE answer especially ESPN and Fox Sports, but this is the same thing Willingham did in his first year then it was downhill from there. Time will tell how long the ND bandwagon will last before the wheels fall off...again. Maybe it will be different this time I'm just not convinced yet they should be mentioned in talks about a National Championship thats all I'm saying.

[wide-e-wide]

A&M will be a top 25 team b4 end of season. They always stumble early.

Your speaking of course...about the aggy meat judging team right?

[TheDuke]

Notre Dame still hasnt shown me anything to make a believer out of me. Thye beat a horrible Pittsburgh team, and beat a Michigan team without Michael Hart, who also turned the ball over inside there 5 2 times. The media loves ND, and they love to see success out there, however they are just setting the Irish up for a fall. In my opinion, I think USC will overwhelm ND with speed when they meet, just like the last two years, ND does not have the horses to keep up with USC.

You have made some good points here! Maybe they will get a wakeup call when MSU comes to there own house!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

You have made some good points here! Maybe they will get a wakeup call when MSU comes to there own house!

MSU has beaten them the last 4 times they've come to South Bend!!! (Ewh, that's ugly!!)

But I doubt they will be able to make it a 5th! If there's one thing Weis had at the Patriots it was an astounding home record! He'll establish that, if he does anything!!

[farmerfan]

MSU has beaten them the last 4 times they've come to South Bend!!! (Ewh, that's ugly!!)

But I doubt they will be able to make it a 5th! If there's one thing Weis had at the Patriots it was an astounding home record! He'll establish that, if he does anything!!

I think more of that credit goes to to Mr Bellicheck, than it does Weis.

[farmerfan]

Okay, but as I said, I think a network only signs them because it is a $$$ money maker for the network. As for the announcers, I dont think they are all on broad with ND, but I may only be hearing the ones who arent. Im certain all the commentators, pundits, etc are not on board.


The media is also the pollsters, ND has done absolutely nothing to warrant a top 10 ranking, yet by winning two games they jump from unranked to number 10. Who else in America gets that kind of love? ND beat a horrible PITT team, yet after that game everyone was ready to claim ND as being a great team, well no one said anything after this same PITT team lost to OHIO. Then they beat Michigan and the media goes nuts, yet ND has now won 4 ouf of there last 5 against Michigan. It will be like 2000 all over again when a 2 loss ND team went to the Fiesta Bowl and got hammered by Oregon State, if ND somehow makes it to a BCS bowl game then whoever they play will destroy them.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I think more of that credit goes to to Mr Bellicheck, than it does Weis.

Coaching has to do with all sectors of the coaching team. Weis was a huge sector of that team, and Bellicheck was obviously the head coach, so he gets most of the credit.

But like I always say, show me a championship team and I'll show you unity, good athletes and a motivating coaching staff. The Big 3. More than not a great athletic/unified team can win championships without superb coaching.

The players play the game!....Take Brady, Bruschi, McGinest, Law and just a few others away from the squad and leave Bellicheck at the helm...you wouldn't have 3 rings.

Same with the Cowboys of the 90's....49'ers of the 80's and Steelers of the 70's.

Both Weis and Bellicheck are part responsibile for the success in New England, but the true leaders play on the field! Just my opinion!

[FootballJunkie]

Coaching has to do with all sectors of the coaching team. Weis was a huge sector of that team, and Bellicheck was obviously the head coach, so he gets most of the credit.

But like I always say, show me a championship team and I'll show you unity, good athletes and a motivating coaching staff. The Big 3. More than not a great athletic/unified team can win championships without superb coaching.

The players play the game!....Take Brady, Bruschi, McGinest, Law and just a few others away from the squad and leave Bellicheck at the helm...you wouldn't have 3 rings.

Same with the Cowboys of the 90's....49'ers of the 80's and Steelers of the 70's.

Both Weis and Bellicheck are part responsibile for the success in New England, but the true leaders play on the field! Just my opinion!

I guess no one told Pitt because I'm sure they thought Wandstadt would win them a national championship or Nebraska with Callahan those 2 schools sure thought coaching was the answer even without players. ;)

[mad_fan]

The media is also the pollsters, ND has done absolutely nothing to warrant a top 10 ranking, yet by winning two games they jump from unranked to number 10. Who else in America gets that kind of love? ND beat a horrible PITT team, yet after that game everyone was ready to claim ND as being a great team, well no one said anything after this same PITT team lost to OHIO. Then they beat Michigan and the media goes nuts, yet ND has now won 4 ouf of there last 5 against Michigan. It will be like 2000 all over again when a 2 loss ND team went to the Fiesta Bowl and got hammered by Oregon State, if ND somehow makes it to a BCS bowl game then whoever they play will destroy them.

The real problem is that WE expect rankings before a game is ever played...if there is such a lovefest going on, why wasnt ND ranked in the preseason polls? The only thing NDs done is beat the #3 team in the county (well #3 according to those people in the lovefest with ND).

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I guess no one told Pitt because I'm sure they thought Wandstadt would win them a national championship or Nebraska with Callahan those 2 schools sure thought coaching was the answer even without players. ;)

Totally agree!!!! Their useless!!

[TheProphet]

but thats college football habit...its ALWAYS the coaches fault...nebraska sucked last year cause favian washington was their only good player...not really a whole lot solich can do in the big XII with that. coaches are only as good as the talent around them...even casey stengel proved that