Using a 2 QB system

[zippy]

I was debating the other day about SLC I believe using 2 QB's the rest of the year. You know one gets a series, then the other, and so on. Someone mentioned that this works, I said it didnt, and we went on and on. Anyway, did anyone think this played a factor in the Ohio loss to UT? They played like crap at the QB position all night, and they had a chance to come back and win, and the QB turned the ball over, then they got it again, and the OTHER QB turned the ball over. I really think Ohio would have held the game off if they would have had one QB playing the entire game. If it didnt work at that level, I dont see SLC or any other HS team making it work.

[dragonsdaddy]

didn't your better win a state title on the last play of the year with a rotation at qb?

[dragons08]

if coach dodge really wanted to do this i have no doubt hed make it work

[dragonfootballfan]

I was debating the other day about SLC I believe using 2 QB's the rest of the year. You know one gets a series, then the other, and so on. Someone mentioned that this works, I said it didnt, and we went on and on. Anyway, did anyone think this played a factor in the Ohio loss to UT? They played like crap at the QB position all night, and they had a chance to come back and win, and the QB turned the ball over, then they got it again, and the OTHER QB turned the ball over. I really think Ohio would have held the game off if they would have had one QB playing the entire game. If it didnt work at that level, I dont see SLC or any other HS team making it work.
Unlike Ohio State every third series is Dodge's. Ohio State did not really have a set time when each would go in. I think that the system can work especially at the the high school level where the opposing defense has to prepare for two different styles of play

[jtk1519]

Of course it played a huge roll in Ohio State's loss. IMHO, rotating QBs is one of the worst things a coach can do. As most of the suits on TV and radio said after the Texas/Ohio State game, "if you are playing two QBs, that means you have no QBs." It is vital that a QB be left in the game and allowed to play. If you want to play one QB one week and another the next, then that is a different story, but they should never be rotated in a game if you ask me. During the course of a game, a QB gets in a rythym with the receivers and backs. He starts to pick up on little things a defense is doing. In short, he is able to learn and improve through the course of a game. If you start taking him out ever other series, you destroy not only his flow, but the flow of the entire team. There is nothing I hate more that rotating QBs. I think it is the quickest way to a loss and two QBs that dont know what the hell is going on.

[Texasfrog]

Of course it played a huge roll in Ohio State's loss. IMHO, rotating QBs is one of the worst things a coach can do. As most of the suits on TV and radio said after the Texas/Ohio State game, "if you are playing two QBs, that means you have no QBs." It is vital that a QB be left in the game and allowed to play. If you want to play one QB one week and another the next, then that is a different story, but they should never be rotated in a game if you ask me. During the course of a game, a QB gets in a rythym with the receivers and backs. He starts to pick up on little things a defense is doing. In short, he is able to learn and improve through the course of a game. If you start taking him out ever other series, you destroy not only his flow, but the flow of the entire team. There is nothing I hate more that rotating QBs. I think it is the quickest way to a loss and two QBs that dont know what the hell is going on.

Ya, I've seen alot of games where a QB is (2-10) in the first half and (8-10- 2tds) in the second half. I'm in favor a "one QB."

I'm not at SLC and I know that Coach Dodge is a very good HS coach. It looks like McElroy is the main slinger there.

[jtk1519]

I think Todd Dodge might be the best coach on any level in the state of Texas and I have no business questioning his moves, but I dont like rotating Riley and McElroy at all. I think both QBs would be much better off if McElroy were the full time QB and Riley was a WR just like Chase Daniel was his soph. year.

[dragons08]

I think Todd Dodge might be the best coach on any level in the state of Texas and I have no business questioning his moves, but I dont like rotating Riley and McElroy at all. I think both QBs would be much better off if McElroy were the full time QB and Riley was a WR just like Chase Daniel was his soph. year.
why should riley play wr? we already got 8! why not leave riley in mop up duty? why risk getting riley hurt if mcelroy goes down and rileys hurt then what??

[dragonsdaddy]

riley is it as far as back-up qbs go. the next best in the system is a freshman. can't really afford to risk him getting injured doing a non qb related activity. i wouldn't be rotating him either, but there's a method to the madness, i'm sure.

[jtk1519]

why should riley play wr? we already got 8! why not leave riley in mop up duty? why risk getting riley hurt if mcelroy goes down and rileys hurt then what??

Those issues werent enough to prevent Dodge from playing Chase at WR a few years ago when Wasson was the QB. A future QB can learn so much more by seeing a little time at WR then he ever will being a backup QB. There is no law that says he cant move over to QB and take a few snaps during mop up time.

[dragons08]

Those issues werent enough to prevent Dodge from playing Chase at WR a few years ago when Wasson was the QB. A future QB can learn so much more by seeing a little time at WR then he ever will being a backup QB. There is no law that says he cant move over to QB and take a few snaps during mop up time.
i know, but i dont think we should mess with that, were 8 wr's deep like i mentioned, and dont really need him at WR

[jtk1519]

i know, but i dont think we should mess with that, were 8 wr's deep like i mentioned, and dont really need him at WR

You dont need him at QB either.

[dragonsdaddy]

we had a decent sr b/u qb in 02. absolutely nothing else besides riley now. doubt we'd be favored with a frosh taking the reins.

[VB Pack Fan]

When you guys meet up with some good teams later in the season and playoffs this could backfire on you and get you beat. QBS need to keep that rythm.....(don,t think I spell that right but you know what I mean) :rolleyes:We had two qbs in 2001 with McNeil and Parks, and Parks could have started on any other team, Outlaw played his better one.

[dragons08]

we had a decent sr b/u qb in 02. absolutely nothing else besides riley now. doubt we'd be favored with a frosh taking the reins.
frosh? as in freshman, in carroll i know we call them fish, it feels good to be able to say "stupid fish" vs last year being the stupid fish...mom said back in the day freshman were called benies or bennies something like that

[Redneckn]

IMO having 2 is a bad idea. I think the QB really needs to be a team leader. Having 2 leaders doesnt work in most situations. I'm not saying that it cant work, but mostly it dont.

I think LSU was doing that a few years back. They may have even had 3 going in and out. Just a bad idea.

[jtk1519]

The worst are teams that have a "running QB" and a "throwing QB." I've seen teams do this and it just shocks me that somebody is actually paying a coach to do that.

[zippy]

My bad, I didnt want to really turn this into another SLC deal. It was just that debate that had me really convinced that this might be a bad deal. As of today, I have heard that SLC is going with McElroy as the starter. I figure they have that mapped out. I was really just wondering if I was the only one that thought this might have cost Ohio the game. (not that I wanted them to win), just figured they could have if they were set on a QB. I dont get why they did not go with one, both could throw and run. Were politics possibly involved?

[zippy]

I say work with the running QB until he can throw, cause its a lot harder to teach the throwing QB to run. If that does not work, then let the throwing QB play, and use your freaking RB. I do not like this system either, it worse to me than playing two QB's like Ohio.

The worst are teams that have a "running QB" and a "throwing QB." I've seen teams do this and it just shocks me that somebody is actually paying a coach to do that.

[SLCDad]

You dont need him at QB either.My personal opinion is that Coach Dodge is grooming Riley. He's giving him some playing time in preparation for the future. The dragons don't lose all that much when he comes in. We'll see what happens in a close game, but I'd be surprised if dad kept up the rotation.

As for playing WR, that won't work with the SLC system. Each receiver plays an X receiver or Y receiver position. The 4 positions are platooning between the 8 guys (usually one starter who gets more downs and a backup). Riley comes in if they use a 5 receiver set and the other 4 WRs keep their rotation.

Since the first 3 games were really never in doubt coach had the flexibility to platoon, rotate, experiment and give everyone playing time. We'll see if that continues when the games get tougher.

[LeanderLions3033]

We've done this so far this eyar with Drew Dunn and Josh McKinley. Its very similar to SLC situation where one qb (drew) simply knows the offense better and has better mechanics, and Josh is the more athletic qb that can make things happen with his arm and his feet.

[wide-e-wide]

I don't like it.

I have never seen it work...at least not over an entire season.

Staubach/Morton did not work
Applewhite/Simms did not work
Isn't going to work for Ohio St.
who else?...help me out fellas...

[dragons08]

I don't like it.

I have never seen it work...at least not over an entire season.

Staubach/Morton did not work
Applewhite/Simms did not work
Isn't going to work for Ohio St.
who else?...help me out fellas...
wide and evil wide? you two are like opposites from what you told me :D

[drgnbkr]

Riley is definately not just a "running QB"...While he runs well, he throws as well or better...Mc is the man, Riley gets his reps..it's all good...

[TheProphet]

JTK hit this one on the head. If you have 2 Qb's you have no Qb's. But winning games 40 pts a time Southlake can afford to give an underclassman playing time, no sense in getting McElroy hurt either before that murderous playoff schedule of yalls starts too...Ohio State and SLC really arent the same thing, PS Texas kicked OSU's ***, they can think the Young boys for their 3 turnovers, because OSU's offense couldn't move an inch on UT's D. Well 255 yds but you get the picture. And as I said in another post, on sept 10 you saw the two best D's in college football

[LeanderLions3033]

In our offense Drew is the man clearly and Josh gets his reps. His time will come. But Josh is way to talented to be kept off the field so he plays reciever when hes not at qb. Hes made some highlight real runs though.

[CoppellCowboy57]

Coppell used two QBs last friday night against Duncanville, with very little offense production...Starting QB Kenny Graves, was out with a hurt knee (i honestly think coach mike fuller was saving him for district), and He rotated his two seniors, Nate Blackwell and Tyler Deloach.

[dragonfootballfan]

Coppell used two QBs last friday night against Duncanville, with very little offense production...Starting QB Kenny Graves, was out with a hurt knee (i honestly think coach mike fuller was saving him for district), and He rotated his two seniors, Nate Blackwell and Tyler Deloach.
I don't think it matters who plays quarterback for the cowboys. All he has to do is hand the ball off to Moody.

[TheProphet]

Yeah, hey here's a good sub thread. The three best RB's in the state,arguably (sp?) are moody, mcgee and kindle. All going to UT, can any of them get PT? Or moreover whos the best, I haven't seen moody play and have only seen kindle's LB highlights (P.S. amazing)

[zippy]

All going to UT? Playing time? Not with the backs that are there now.. Maybe in blowouts, but Charles, I have a feeling will be the man for the next 2-3 years. He is very good.

Back to the topic, (and the sub thread is cool), but I guess it can work with certain QB's, I still think it hurt Ohio, and I know it hurt UT in the past. It was so bad (Apple/Simms) that I would not even watch UT play, and went from a die hard fan to not much of a fan. Then they did the same thing the next year that really caused me to not like UT. I know these are politics and might be something Brown could not avoid, but that is what I am trying to figure out. Are they doing it more than we think? I know UT and Ohio both had a very good QB, that should have been in the entire game, for the entire season, but it seems they are blowing it with the double QB thing. Thanks for your input, the whole thing just seems odd to me. Of course many of my family members are coaches and I have always heard "find a qb and go with him". Maybe I am just different due to the fact that I was around the game all my life, and my dad had the one QB mindset.

Yeah, hey here's a good sub thread. The three best RB's in the state,arguably (sp?) are moody, mcgee and kindle. All going to UT, can any of them get PT? Or moreover whos the best, I haven't seen moody play and have only seen kindle's LB highlights (P.S. amazing)

[wide-e-wide]

Yeah, hey here's a good sub thread. The three best RB's in the state,arguably (sp?) are moody, mcgee and kindle. All going to UT, can any of them get PT? Or moreover whos the best, I haven't seen moody play and have only seen kindle's LB highlights (P.S. amazing)

Note to Mack Brown...we have enough freakin' RB's ...get us a kicker. Like tomorrow.

[CoppellCowboy57]

Moodys been looking at USC the past couple weeks...I mean who would want to go to UT when you got a loaded back field already? I am A Longhorn, always have been always will be (just thought I would get that outta the way before i make my next comment), I think Moody would have better fitted in the A&M offense, they need a good running back...

Coppell needs to be able to take the pressor off moody, hes not super man you know...no matter how much I want to think so

[dragonfootballfan]

Note to Mack Brown...we have enough freakin' RB's ...get us a kicker. Like tomorrow.
they do have a commit from the best kicker in the state this year. Kindle will most likely be playing defense for the Horns.

[wide-e-wide]

Good...we need one.
We now have approx. 30 running backs. And none of them are graduating. What are they gonna do with all of them?

[slc0204]

Okay Riley Dodge is a little spark plug for us ! we couldnt get anything going against Coppell early and on Rileys first play we scored. What do the critics have to say bout that!

I agree MC should start but We need this rotation!

[SLCDad]

Okay Riley Dodge is a little spark plug for us ! we couldnt get anything going against Coppell early and on Rileys first play we scored. What do the critics have to say bout that!

I agree MC should start but We need this rotation!SLC's two quarterback situation is unique in that there is a clear starter and a clear back-up. That's usually not the case in a quarterback controversy. The controversy is usually about who will be the starter. That's not the case at SLC this year.

[KT2000]

The only two QB system I've seen truly work was at the University of Arizona in 1999 (I believe). They had the number one total offense in the country that year. Keith Smith was the dropback passer and Ortege Jenkins the dual-threat. They had very complimentary play styles. Zona finished ranked #3 in the country that year. Other top players on that team were RB Trung Canidate, WR Dennis Northcutt and DB Chris McAlister. That Zona team is one of my favorite all-time in college FB. They could light it up.

As far as Southlake goes...

McElroy and Dodge have complimentary styles, and when you also factor in one is a senior and other a sophomore, the potential for an all-out controversy is very unlikely. Riley can contribute in other areas, so it's not like he is riding the pine completely when he could be starting full-time on JV. He is learning the ropes similar to the way Chase Daniel did as a WR/QB combo.

I'm not a fan of QB rotations in most cases, but I think what's going on at Southlake this year is one of the exceptions in my opinion.

[dada]

Not trying to start an argument or get anyone hot(That only means I'm about to offend someone) But is it safe to say the McElroy may have been just a LITTLE overrated....I mean when I joined this site all I heard was how he was this....and that...every school wanted him, he will be better than Chase Daniel......now were asking if a 2 QB at Carrol will work.....just curious. I'll sit back and read you guys opinions.

[Lobo Dude]

Longviews making it look like it will work.

[SLCDad]

Not trying to start an argument or get anyone hot(That only means I'm about to offend someone) But is it safe to say the McElroy may have been just a LITTLE overrated....I mean when I joined this site all I heard was how he was this....and that...every school wanted him, he will be better than Chase Daniel......now were asking if a 2 QB at Carrol will work.....just curious. I'll sit back and read you guys opinions.I can't say if he was over rated or not but it is true that many D1 programs want him. Doesn't he have about 8 offers so far.

It's remarkable that a school who's QBs have been offensive players of the year for 3 straight years now has another D1 waiting in the wings and another not far behind that. It's not "quarterback U" but maybe "quarterback HS".

Regarding McElroy, I don't think he has disappointed anyone. He is playing as everyone expected he would in my opinion.

[dada]

I can't say if he was over rated or not but it is true that many D1 programs want him. Doesn't he have about 8 offers so far.

It's remarkable that a school who's QBs have been offensive players of the year for 3 straight years now has another D1 waiting in the wings and another not far behind that. It's not "quarterback U" but maybe "quarterback HS".

Regarding McElroy, I don't think he has disappointed anyone. He is playing as everyone expected he would in my opinion.
Thanks....I dont get to see the stats are highlights....So how did the QB controversy come about...Was McElroy not performing and get pulled for Dodge...or was Carrol so far up that they pulled him and then Dodge came in and shined also. Was it like the Ohio St. Game when one QB could move the ball and the other could not?

[wide-e-wide]

My beloved Longhorns beat a rotating QB team...
I can only hope that trend continues if Lufkin plays SLC.

[SLCDad]

Thanks....I dont get to see the stats are highlights....So how did the QB controversy come about...Was McElroy not performing and get pulled for Dodge...or was Carrol so far up that they pulled him and then Dodge came in and shined also. Was it like the Ohio St. Game when one QB could move the ball and the other could not?Riley has been playing every 3rd series since game 1.

[dada]

Riley has been playing every 3rd series since game 1.
Gotcha!....thanks for the info.

[KT2000]

I think the deal with Riley Dodge is pretty simple...

1. They want to get him varsity experience since he is "the man" of the future.

2. He needs to be on the field in some capacity because of his ability. Similar to what was done with Chase Daniel his soph. year, except Daniel didn't play QB because of Wasson being a very good dual-threat in his own right. So, they made Daniel a full-time WR and that obviously helped him get a hold of the varsity offense.

In 2002, they didn't need Daniel's running ability at QB because Wasson already had it. This year, McElroy can move but he wouldn't be mistaken for a WR like Daniel or in this case...Riley Dodge. So, Riley's purpose is to add that other dimension to the offense but he also lines up at WR occassionally so he's not limited to "every third series" as a QB only.

[dragonsdaddy]

Thanks....I dont get to see the stats are highlights....So how did the QB controversy come about...Was McElroy not performing and get pulled for Dodge...or was Carrol so far up that they pulled him and then Dodge came in and shined also. Was it like the Ohio St. Game when one QB could move the ball and the other could not?
the only controversy is among the know-littles on the outside who presume that because riley has rotated in on a semi-regular basis, that something must be wrong. this is a unique situation for slc/dodge. he has never had a b/u qb who will start next year. allen showed that providing the future starter with some quality reps, while actually throwing a change-up at the defense, can help both this year and next year too. will the rotation continue in tight games. if the change-up continues to be effective, i'd say yes. i predict riley will evolve into a situational qb, putting defenses on their heels with his legs, yet able to throw if they stack the line. i don't think rd has played any wr since the mlee game. i was told grandpa didn't think it was such a great idea, and todd knows who to ask or listen to when opinions or needed or given.

before the daniel issue is raised, he was the starting inside receiver, so getting him pt at qb would have necessitated him missing practice time and replacing him with the b/u, who would have done well. twasn't the same situation.

[dada]

I think the deal with Riley Dodge is pretty simple...

1. They want to get him varsity experience since he is "the man" of the future.

2. He needs to be on the field in some capacity because of his ability. Similar to what was done with Chase Daniel his soph. year, except Daniel didn't play QB because of Wasson being a very good dual-threat in his own right.

In 2002, they didn't need Daniel's running ability at QB because Wasson already had it. This year, McElroy can move but he wouldn't be mistaken for a WR like Daniel or in this case...Riley Dodge. So, Riley's purpose is to add that other dimension to the offense but he also lines up at WR occassionally so he's not limited to "every third series" as a QB only.
But that can Help or Hurt a team. I mean what happens in a close game? You're eventually gonna have to go with one guy.

[CCHS77]

But that can Help or Hurt a team. I mean what happens in a close game? You're eventually gonna have to go with one guy.


McElroy is the starting QB. Maybe you missed that part?

[KT2000]

McElroy is the man. However, Dodge is there to provide another wrinkle to throw at a defense. Just like some teams have the speed and power back. The speed or possession receiver. On 3rd and 6, you're more likely to look to your possession guy and pick out the speed threat down the seam on 2nd and 1 if the defense is rolled up.

As always, the situation dictates what needs to happen in the scenario you are describing. Opponent strengths/weaknesses/tendencies, weather, down and distance, field position, etc., etc., etc. I don't think you can say with certainty just because Riley's ability to take off could be more valuable or McElroy's grasp of the offense and ability to see the field would do well in a 2-minute drill type situation. They compliment one another and the scheme they run is proven, so I don't think it would turn into something that hurts the team.

That's Dodge Ball for you. The QB position is "designed" to be just as versatile as any skill spot in his scheme.

[wide-e-wide]

There were times during the '01 season when Lufkin would put Terrance Parks at QB and line Reggie up as a receiver...But I don't think Parks ever took an entire series.

[KT2000]

VY lined up at receiver in HS a few times as well, but like Reggie, I don't think he was ever in danger of losing his spot. :D

[SLCDad]

i don't think rd has played any wr since the mlee game. i was told grandpa didn't think it was such a great idea, and todd knows who to ask or listen to when opinions or needed or given.Are you referring to Mrs. Dodge's dad? If so, smart move on Todd's part. For the sake of peace at home and in this case success on the field always listen to dad-in-law.

[dada]

McElroy is the starting QB. Maybe you missed that part?
I KNOW That....been hearing it all through out the off season...the question was does a 2 QB system work.

[dada]

VY lined up at receiver in HS a few times as well, but like Reggie, I don't think he was ever in danger of losing his spot. :D
WR...Kicker....Saftey......he WAS Madison.

[KT2000]

The question was does a 2 QB system work.

Depends. How's that for a crappy answer? :)

I tend to believe it can work as long as the two players compliment one another skill wise. You can't have a Simms/Applewhite and make it work in my opinion. Two of the same isn't going to work in the long run.

In Dodge Ball, the QB position is "designed" to be just as versatile as any skill spot. Good dual threat QBs are hard to come by as you know, so Riley is simply filling in the missing link to help "complete" the offense from a schematic point of view.

[CCHS77]

I KNOW That....been hearing it all through out the off season...the question was does a 2 QB system work.


No, I'd say you missed something, or just trying to "start" something.

JMHO

[KT2000]

Nah, I think he asked a genuine question as someone who doesn't get to personally see Southlake play every week (like myself). No need to read into it further than need be.

[dada]

No, I'd say you missed something, or just trying to "start" something.

JMHO
Ok...All preseason...offseason or whatever I was hearing how McElroy was the best thing since sliced bread. We dont get the stats and news for Carroll down here in Houston so I use this board to keep up. The posts went on about a brewing QB Controversy that may (or May not) going on at SLC...so I asked 'What brought this about" was Greg struggling or what? Overprotective people would assume I was trying to start something...but The Carrol fans understood and and answered my question for me....

[dragonsdaddy]

i promise we won't see nextyear's backup get the pt rd does. maybe as a jr td'll get him in some.

yeah, father-in -law has forgotten more about football than most of us on here will ever know. his westlake teams broke some molds and started some new wrinkles, and won a bunch of games too.

[Sportsfan24]

I do not like the 2 QB system but do acknowledge that it is a good idea to get the younger kid some PT. However the question no one has addressed when discussing the "runner" vs the "drop back" QB is the ability to fine the 2nd and 3rd receiver. Add in the ability to "see" when a receiver is going to come open and throw to that spot is what seperates the good HS QB from the great ones. A case in point is what Oklahoma is going through now. They have QB's that can throw but can not pull the trigger when a receiver is closely guarder.

I've never seen R. Dodge throw, but have seen Greg. He can find the 2nd and 3rd receiver, he trusts his receivers and throws to where they are suppose to be. I would guess that Greg is ahead of Dodge just because he is two year older which means two year more experience maybe not as a started but with working with the team. I'd stick with him until he shows he can not get the job done and would stick Dodge in when the game is out of reach. SLC needs a leader to prepare for the playoff, and Greg is there best bet.

[dragonsdaddy]

riley has had the advantage of eating dinner as well as practicing in the dodge systaem since , well for his whole life. he understands it as well as anyone besides todd himself. his running ability could turn this stew into a spicy meal on occasions.

[drgnbkr]

Just for the record & at the risk of redundancy, there is no QB contreversy in Southlake....we just have an abundance of 2 quality QB's.....

[Arazorback]

I see Todd Dodge is willing to borrow great ideas from great coaches from around the area. (turned administrator :D )

Just talkin' bout Martin.

[NewSherriffInTown]

I think that SLC is doing fine with the rotation, and I wouldn't count out McElroy getting all the 1st team snaps once the meat of the schedule comes around.


Getting lil Dodge reps is giving him priceless experience, and the next two years SLC will be better for it.

[football fanatic]

It seems the biggest reason for the rotation is that coach dodge wants to prepare the backup for a starting role next season. Did he afford mcelroy the same consideration last year???

also, the rumor that riley is two years younger i hear is a myth....he will turn 17 this month and has been kept back two years.....

imo, you have to feel somewhat for the mcelroy kid that he has to even put up with this stuff....hasn't he waited two years for this opportunity patiently?

with his double digit offers or whatever he has, he probably will feel relieved once he gets to college that he won't have to deal with these types of issues....

[slc0204]

Dodge is 16 and will turn 17 in Oct. he was held back when he was young not that big of a thing for a Coaches Son. And people saying MC is more intuned with the "O" is not right Riley knows it as good as the coaches im on the team and their r several times in practice where Riley corrects the coaches he is the Future and im a senior and im okay with saying that even though he is a soph. He has great leadership skills and the older guys listen to him and so do i cause we know what he is talking bout!

[zippy]

What does your statment mean about not that big of a deal for a coaches son? Im a coaches son, and I cant figure it out.


Dodge is 16 and will turn 17 in Oct. he was held back when he was young not that big of a thing for a Coaches Son. And people saying MC is more intuned with the "O" is not right Riley knows it as good as the coaches im on the team and their r several times in practice where Riley corrects the coaches he is the Future and im a senior and im okay with saying that even though he is a soph. He has great leadership skills and the older guys listen to him and so do i cause we know what he is talking bout!