Any Katy fans who can answer this?

[Standing On Tradition KT]

This is Katys Bi week but after that the Tigers play Strake Jesuit at thier home field. I belive that the stadium only sits around 3 or 4 thousand people and Katy has double that number of people going to thier games. Will the game be relocated because Houston's Fire code will not allow more people than however many seats there are in the stadium. Is it fare that alot of us Katy Fans can't go to the game becuase of seating and parking?

[SmilinTiger]

This is Katys Bi week but after that the Tigers play Strake Jesuit at thier home field. I belive that the stadium only sits around 3 or 4 thousand people and Katy has double that number of people going to thier games. Will the game be relocated because Houston's Fire code will not allow more people than however many seats there are in the stadium. Is it fare that alot of us Katy Fans can't go to the game becuase of seating and parking?

Parking situation will be alleviated with a large caravan of buses available for a nominal fee. To and from the game.

As far as seating, first come, first seated. Many of us will be standing.

Oh yeah! My prediction.......Katy 42 Strake 0

[Standing On Tradition KT]

haha yes i hope thats the outcome!............Jesuit got into this program to play big teams and make a name for themselves(which i respect) but how can you do that when you can't even give a proper place to play that can seat a 5a crowed............they should atleast consider relocating.

[ktCarl]

Parking situation will be alleviated with a large caravan of buses available for a nominal fee. To and from the game.

As far as seating, first come, first seated. Many of us will be standing.

Oh yeah! My prediction.......Katy 42 Strake 0

I think Strake's visitor stands seats about 2,700. Katy usually has right at 5,000 for home games and I bet at least 3,900 to 4,000 are going to try and attend this game.

[TheProphet]

KATY 42 STRAKE 0??!!!?!?!?!?!?!

Dude, watch high school football before you make a prediction...with Strake's Louisiana RECRUITS (and yes we all know they recruited) they are good. They were good before with Stephen Tyree, but they are real good now. They have one of Louisiana's top RB's to replace their injured star as well, and hes fast. Speed is bad news for Katy's slower than molasses linebacking crew....try Katy 28 Strake 17 at the most...and don't be surprised if this is the upset that Katy has every single year. Remember they have only gone undefeated through the season once in 2000. 03- lufkin 02-hastings, elsik 01 - too many to mention 99-maybe they were undefeated thru the season but lost to garland in state 98 - forfeits 97- baytown sterling.... etc etc etc

[TigerV1]

KATY 42 STRAKE 0??!!!?!?!?!?!?!

Dude, watch high school football before you make a prediction...with Strake's Louisiana RECRUITS (and yes we all know they recruited) they are good. They were good before with Stephen Tyree, but they are real good now. They have one of Louisiana's top RB's to replace their injured star as well, and hes fast. Speed is bad news for Katy's slower than molasses linebacking crew....try Katy 28 Strake 17 at the most...and don't be surprised if this is the upset that Katy has every single year. Remember they have only gone undefeated through the season once in 2000. 03- lufkin 02-hastings, elsik 01 - too many to mention 99-maybe they were undefeated thru the season but lost to garland in state 98 - forfeits 97- baytown sterling.... etc etc etc

Actually, since you want to call out other people on their predictions I am going to go ahead and call you out. You are incorrect with your 97 loss and 99 team. 97 loss came from Langham Creek and the 99 team was not undefeated, they lost to Baytown Sterling. Dude, watch high school football before you call someone else out....

[TheProphet]

Well I didnt use a reference book, you get the basic point hoss, its really hard to go undefeated through an entire season. I did not know those two games, I merely knew the final records I guess. My point is, those were better teams, and still those teams had a let down week, just like last year Alief Taylor, and well Clear Lake. But for real, you got me fair and square, good call, but error was in detail not main idea.

[Fleeman93]

KATY 42 STRAKE 0??!!!?!?!?!?!?!

Dude, watch high school football before you make a prediction...with Strake's Louisiana RECRUITS (and yes we all know they recruited) they are good. They were good before with Stephen Tyree, but they are real good now. They have one of Louisiana's top RB's to replace their injured star as well, and hes fast. Speed is bad news for Katy's slower than molasses linebacking crew....try Katy 28 Strake 17 at the most...and don't be surprised if this is the upset that Katy has every single year. Remember they have only gone undefeated through the season once in 2000. 03- lufkin 02-hastings, elsik 01 - too many to mention 99-maybe they were undefeated thru the season but lost to garland in state 98 - forfeits 97- baytown sterling.... etc etc etc

So I guess you are saying that Strake is better than both The Woodlands and Humble based on your prediction of the score. I don't care how good of players a team gets at this point of the season, you can't just plug and play. I think Strake has a good team this year, but I don't see this game being close.

[TheProphet]

Ok-The Woodlands game...they fumbled the ball during a TD run, and turned it over 2 other times (check me on that #). So really, the score is like the exact same. Jerrod Johnson is the ONLY thing that makes Humble good, and so far the only thing to make Katy's D look bad. Woodlands is/was overrated, a team thats ranked about where they belong kicked their ***, get over it. Here's a good comparison: Who has a better team Notre Dame or California? Obviously the Irish...But who has a better chance to beat SC, Cal because SC's weakness is in the front 7 on D and Cal has Marshawn Lynch. You probably aren't gonna beat SC passing with Darnell Bing back there... So, whos a better team? Woodlands or Strake? Probably Woodlands, BUT 1 good DB can shut Drabek down (i.e North Shore and Chykie Brown or even Katy and Will). 1 good DB cannot stop a running however as Jerrod Johnsons 3 TD performance showed last night. Running teams exploit slow linebackers. But I have been wrong before...I am sorry to offend anyone with the idea our Tigers are below immortality.

[unoit]

Prohet,
Ya'll must have the least complicated O in the world if your LA guys can pick it up in 2 weeks. If Katy, Southlake, Lufkin, or any other power houses can't beat LA's best team then they don't deserve to be state champs or a power house. So, with all the new guys ya'll got plus the your old team put together in 2 weeks I'm sure we can hang. I guess your saying that North Shore is overrated and sucks too since they only beat the Woodlands by 1. Personally, I think North Shore can play and have the utmost respect for them and there recent accomplishments. I also believe that the Woodlands Can also play. Maybe they did fumble in our game but I'm sure that our Defense had nothing to do with that either. That's like saying St. Thomas handed ya'll the game with all the turnovers and ya'll had nothing to do with it. All I'm saying is don't dissappear off this site after the game like all the other guys that come on here talking and talking. I'm sure it will be a good game but come on baytown lee this year and st. thomas way to step out there and challenge yourselves. Any southlake or lufkins men read this, Do you think ya'll could beat LA's best team. I belive ya'll might destroy them. Just wondering

[ktCarl]

We also got 3 LA kids on varsity. Two of them are supposed to be a good running back and all state receiver. I've read on a thread that Strake got 3-400 kids from LA. 90% of a LA Jesuit football team? I need to check urbanlegends.com on that one.

[KT2000]

That's true, but the huge majority of those kids either won't play or definitely won't be ready by the Katy game. Unless they got a good amount of linemen that can pick up an entire scheme in weeks (not to mention be accepted by their new teammates), then they'll have trouble competing with teams like Katy just because they don't have the depth to stand up to that kind of punishment for four quarters. Last year, the Tigers could have named the final score if they'd kept the starters in. Strake has a few talented skill players (not including NOLA guys), but no depth. They should have been placed in 4A and they'd be a lot more competitive but the UIL wanted Strake and Dallas Jesuit to be in the same class when it became inevitable they'd join the publics.

[STJL41]

KATY 42 STRAKE 0??!!!?!?!?!?!?!

Dude, watch high school football before you make a prediction...with Strake's Louisiana RECRUITS (and yes we all know they recruited) they are good. They were good before with Stephen Tyree, but they are real good now. They have one of Louisiana's top RB's to replace their injured star as well, and hes fast. Speed is bad news for Katy's slower than molasses linebacking crew....try Katy 28 Strake 17 at the most...and don't be surprised if this is the upset that Katy has every single year. Remember they have only gone undefeated through the season once in 2000. 03- lufkin 02-hastings, elsik 01 - too many to mention 99-maybe they were undefeated thru the season but lost to garland in state 98 - forfeits 97- baytown sterling.... etc etc etc

(1) You say "we all know they recruited" like it's not confirmed. They are a private school, of course they recruit. That's part of the deal. That's one of the reasons they have no business playing in 19-5A, or any public district for that matter.

(2) "Speed is bad news for Katy's slower than molasses linebacking crew." This may or may not be true, but while Katy had some problems conatining Humble's QB (Johnson) and RB (I think his name was Tunley), who were both plenty fast, in case you missed it, Katy still pulled out the win. The defense is still good overall, and Katy's superior coaching cannot be matched by Strake Jesuit. Strake is going to have to outplay Katy in every aspect of the game if they even want to have a sniff of vcictory.

Katy - 28 Strake - 7...maybe 10

(3) "and don't be suprised if this is the upset Katy has every year"

'03 Lufkin - Are you kidding? You are calling that an upset? Just because a team that is a power house loses does not make it an upset. Lufkin has a great team every year; how can you even think about qualifying that loss as an upset?

'99 Lost to Garland at state - Yes, Katy probably should have won that game, but I hardly think that qualifies as an upset. I'm sure the Garland fans thank you for thinking so little of thier team. They manage to win state, and you basically said they had no business doing it because they had to pull off an upset in the FINALS to do it. Do you see what I'm getting at?

'98 forfeit - How can you be upset by one of your own players forging a signature on his progress report? I don't call that an upset, I call that getting screwed.

[TigerV1]

Ok-The Woodlands game...they fumbled the ball during a TD run, and turned it over 2 other times (check me on that #). So really, the score is like the exact same. Jerrod Johnson is the ONLY thing that makes Humble good, and so far the only thing to make Katy's D look bad. Woodlands is/was overrated, a team thats ranked about where they belong kicked their ***, get over it. Here's a good comparison: Who has a better team Notre Dame or California? Obviously the Irish...But who has a better chance to beat SC, Cal because SC's weakness is in the front 7 on D and Cal has Marshawn Lynch. You probably aren't gonna beat SC passing with Darnell Bing back there... So, whos a better team? Woodlands or Strake? Probably Woodlands, BUT 1 good DB can shut Drabek down (i.e North Shore and Chykie Brown or even Katy and Will). 1 good DB cannot stop a running however as Jerrod Johnsons 3 TD performance showed last night. Running teams exploit slow linebackers. But I have been wrong before...I am sorry to offend anyone with the idea our Tigers are below immortality.


I think your entire arguement is weak. I mean lets look at the Woodlands. Any team that turns the ball over 2 or 3 or more times in a game are shooting themselves in the foot. Should it have been a closer game? You bet.

Then you bring up Humble. This team executed almost flawlessly. Plus, Katy's LB crew were caught out of position. Does that mean Humble is better than the Woodlands because of the outcome? NO.

Katy played to near perfection against the Woodlands and looked a little more sloppy against Humble. The Katy LBs were not playing their A game and it showed. To sit there and compare the both defensive performances is like comparing apples to oranges. The Katy LBs bring their A game, Strake is in for a long game. Katy's not immortal and neither is Strake. If Strake comes in there without being ready it could very easily be 42-0.

[CoppellCowboy57]

I know, at the SLC Coppell game we put overflow seating on our track...Mind you are stadium holds about 10,000+. Our away side used to be our home side during our 3A/4A years...

[KT2000]

Strake probably won't allow overflow seating. They don't want to be hugely outnumbered this year, and I think that's why the site of the game is not being changed even though Katy has offered to pay for all costs in one scenario and half in another to accomodate the huge fan base that wants to watch the Tigers play. Either way, it won't effect what happens on the field but it sure has sparked a fire in the Tiger fans. Bad move by Strake in my opinion if in fact they won't agree to change the venue. Not wise to kick the Tiger while he's in the cage because there's no telling what'll happen when the door is unlocked.

[stangsfan]

Strake probably won't allow overflow seating. They don't want to be hugely outnumbered this year, and I think that's why the site of the game is not being changed even though Katy has offered to pay for all costs in one scenario and half in another to accomodate the huge fan base that wants to watch the Tigers play. Either way, it won't effect what happens on the field but it sure has sparked a fire in the Tiger fans. Bad move by Strake in my opinion if in fact they won't agree to change the venue. Not wise to kick the Tiger while he's in the cage because there's no telling what'll happen when the door is unlocked.

Get there early and fill up both sides...that will show'em! :eek:

[htownfootball]

ya im sure theyll let katys fans just fill up the home side. nice try though

[TigerV1]

ya im sure theyll let katys fans just fill up the home side. nice try though


Ok, Katy fans, wear a Green shirt over your red Katy shirt and then fill up the Home side. Once you take a seat, take your green shirt off. Hey, they don't want to play fair neither should we. :D

[TheProphet]

wait a sec STJ, the upsets I'm talking about are last years loss to A Taylor, and CHOKE to clear lake, 99 losing to baytown sterling ( i believe), really the smithson valley loss in 2002 never should have happened either...none of this is trying to demean Katy teams of the past, the point is that its EXTREMELY hard to go a whole football season undefeated,the 97 98 99 teams were certainly better than this years. also, the legend of katy coaching is gone man. last year against clear lake our d was completely clueless. now, i personally love coach joseph, but when u refer to katy coaching think of the 3 headed monster of massey johnston and joseph. accompanied by bruno, dixon, svendsen, and i know others are gone too. plus clayton was the o-coordinator before he got the head job over at cinco.

[Tut]

ya im sure theyll let katys fans just fill up the home side. nice try though
Nice use of the "Golden Rule"! Remember that you are judged by the way you treat others. Looks like you won't be making any new friends on this one. :mad:

[KT2000]

Prophet, I'm now completely convinced you have no affiliation with Katy High School after that last post.

[TheProphet]

yeah tigerv1,
your saying a lot of the same stuff i am. score is rarely a good indicator of what actually happened in a game. some things dont go our way and the woodlands game can easily come down to a 4th quarter drive...but, woodlands was overrated, i think everyone sees that. plus the katy LB crew doesnt have an A game, they are all sub 180-185 and except ryan and maybe john they're slow...basically will and darren cover for every perimeter defender on the D, and as long as we don't play an exceptional team, the D should remain solid

[TheProphet]

i have a small affiliation, but its the truth KT2000, i mean i like them all as people, but 20-30 year old guys cant be put on the same pedastal as massey and johnston and clayton and dixon and bruno. I mean those guys are who built katy into a consistent powerhouse team, I have known about them since i was 5 years old

[STJL41]

wait a sec STJ, the upsets I'm talking about are last years loss to A Taylor, and CHOKE to clear lake, 99 losing to baytown sterling ( i believe), really the smithson valley loss in 2002 never should have happened either...none of this is trying to demean Katy teams of the past, the point is that its EXTREMELY hard to go a whole football season undefeated,the 97 98 99 teams were certainly better than this years.

My apologies: I was under the impression that you were listing those losses as "upets of the season" as well. I guess I read those sentences wrong.

Also, the legend of Katy coaching is gone man. Last year against Clear Lake our d was completely clueless. Now I personally love Coach Joseph, but when you refer to Katy coaching, think of the 3 headed monster of Massey, Johnston and Joseph. Accompanied by Bruno, Dixon, Svendsen, and I know others are gone too. Plus, Clayton was the o-coordinator before he got the head job over at Cinco.

I'm more than aware of the losses the Katy coaching staff has incurred in the past two years, and while it was significant, that does not mean the legend it gone. You obviously know at least a bit about the Katy program, so why would you assume anything has changed? Yes, Katy has a lot of new coaches on the staff, but they have not been around long enough to really convince anyone of their abilities to sustain (or destroy) a high caiber football team like Katy. You know as well as I do that Joseph (not to mention many other people in and around Katy HS) isn't going to allow anyone he believes is a sub par coach on his staff.

[TheProphet]

o yeah STJL, and i wasnt trying to get crossways with you. just living in katy we go through this every year. its always katy to state katy to state after one big win early in the season. after a while yu learn what to look for and are able to put reality checks on it. basically if a team isnt THAT good, they are susceptable (sp?) to a loss at any time, and thats really what i have seen time and time again.

[KT2000]

Katy's got six Region 3 Championships and 3 state championships in the last eight years, so I'd say the expectations are warranted and more than just talk. The new coaching staff led the team to a 12-2 record last year with the two losses coming by a combined three points. Your reasoning doesn't hold up vs. on field results.

[TigerV1]

And our new coaches aren't scrubs either. I am personally very excited about the staff we have.

[Standing On Tradition KT]

As long as Joseph is around I think that the Katy Tradition will never leave. He was Johnston's right hand man for years and he learned everything he knows from him. Joseph has alot to live up to and I know that he will not dissapoint the town of Katy. As long as we have Joseph we will be strong.

[ktrain]

yeah tigerv1,
your saying a lot of the same stuff i am. score is rarely a good indicator of what actually happened in a game. some things dont go our way and the woodlands game can easily come down to a 4th quarter drive...but, woodlands was overrated, i think everyone sees that. plus the katy LB crew doesnt have an A game, they are all sub 180-185 and except ryan and maybe john they're slow...basically will and darren cover for every perimeter defender on the D, and as long as we don't play an exceptional team, the D should remain solid

The Woodlands are overrated?? Ask North Shore if they are overrated.

[unoit]

As for the new coaches find out where they came from and their who their brothers and dads are, you might be suprised. They might kinda know more about football than the guys they replaced. Just a thought.

[WestlandTiger'95]

defense didnt have a clue vs. Clear lake?????? hey come on....any katy FAN saw and knew that all three starting linemen were out that game...give me a break...of coarse we're going to have trouble stopping an option team with three 2nd teamers in there.... And clear lake was a great team that played the game of their lives, so dont say our defense was clueless...I have been watching katy games for 15 years now and have never seen a katy defense that was clueless...beaten bad occasionally(gerald moore/Yates '92--lufkin '02--Temple'91) but never clueless.

The '98 team was 15-0 by the way...that was an easy one you missed there

[TheProphet]

taylor and kirchner both played that game and ethan had been out for WEEKS, ethan is always out its nothing new. also quintinilla had played just as much so dont even give me that sob story injured bullcrap. they had to gaurd a 1 dimensional offense, who wouldnt even run to pauls side. so basically they had to gaurd geno blow up the middle and scott oswalds option around the side. dont even act like you know more about it than me or are some superior brain on football.

[TheProphet]

the 98 team actually forfeited 4 regular season games and the semifinal game, so whatever their record was is pointless. and in reality, it doesnt matter because they would have had their butts handed to them in state. matt gore if you read this no offense, because your my favorite katy QB in history.

[TheProphet]

Yeah Standing on Tradition, I think your right. The tradition will be kept by the townfolks, but still the whole brilliance factor that Johnston had is gone. The whol 2 pt conversion that failed vs clear lake, the CLUELESS defense no matter what that one guy said, i mean its going to happen i understand, we're all human. thats just the first time i have personally seen katy lose to a team that they had far out manned. mybe you can debate smithson valley in 02...

[KT2000]

Prophet...I could come up with an arsenal of factual evidence to destroy just about every claim you've made in this thread but, quite frankly, I'm don't want to spend the time.

[Texasfrog]

Yeah Standing on Tradition, I think your right. The tradition will be kept by the townfolks, but still the whole brilliance factor that Johnston had is gone. The whol 2 pt conversion that failed vs clear lake, the CLUELESS defense no matter what that one guy said, i mean its going to happen i understand, we're all human. thats just the first time i have personally seen katy lose to a team that they had far out manned. mybe you can debate smithson valley in 02...

That Clear Lake team was pretty salty. Katy losing that game isnt a black eye on the program. Alot of teams in Texas would of lost to them.

I also believe that Clear Lake had a few breaks in the game that got momentum for them.

Katy doesnt look like their ready to pack it in post Johnston days to me.

[Tut]

the 98 team actually forfeited 4 regular season games and the semifinal game, so whatever their record was is pointless. and in reality, it doesnt matter because they would have had their butts handed to them in state. matt gore if you read this no offense, because your my favorite katy QB in history.
Three of the regular season games were reinstated. The fact is that they didn't lose a game on the field. Katy - Midland Lee would have been a tremendous game.

P.S. - Matt Gore wouldn't be insulted if he considered the source.

[Red Raiders]

hmm, thats wierd that yall get about 5,000 katy fans at home and we get about 8,200 fans at ours.

[TheProphet]

KT2000-
I would love to see some of that factual evidence. As a matter of fact, show me a Johnston team that underachieved during the epitome of his career. And oh my god, Katy/Midland Lee would have not been a helluva game. I can't remember but Midland Lee had some guy who was in the NFL draft this year...that Benson fellow that played at UT, whos without question the best Texas High School Football player of all time. On second thought, katy had a good team that year, and it might have been a good game, hey they would have sure as hell played them better than that SA team...

[Texasfrog]

KT2000-
I would love to see some of that factual evidence. As a matter of fact, show me a Johnston team that underachieved during the epitome of his career. And oh my god, Katy/Midland Lee would have not been a helluva game. I can't remember but Midland Lee had some guy who was in the NFL draft this year...that Benson fellow that played at UT, whos without question the best Texas High School Football player of all time. On second thought, katy had a good team that year, and it might have been a good game, hey they would have sure as hell played them better than that SA team...

S.A. Mac got the call at the last second to drive to Dallas and go play Midland Lee. They didnt even really practice that week. That would be tough for any High school team. So, you cant really look at the final score and knock the SA Mac team. Dont get me wrong.. they were going to lose the game.. But probably not that bad. You know ???

Plus, I think the 98 Midland Lee team was the best of the 3 (IMO). I know the 99 team was the so called National Champs but I still think the 98 team was the best.

1998 Midland Lee vs Katy would of been fun. I would go with Midland Lee but it would of been a dogfight between two pit-bulls.

[unoit]

I would have to go with Katy on that game. It would have been a good game. But watching that game with all my buddies and some of the coaches, we knew every play by formation. It all stood true when watching the game. We only gave up 5.7 points a game that year vs. very good teams. I know we could have stopped them and I know our O could have put some points on the board ( even though B. Carroll) wasn't 100%. more 90%.

[KT2000]

1989 went 10-0 in reg. season, lost in bi-district
1990 missed the playoffs, last time that's happened
1993 loaded with talent, lost in bi-district
1995 again, good talent but slipped up in playoffs
1996 got a little too proud of themselves and got a surprise at Rice against Lamar

Those are all teams in the Johnston era that could easily bear the "underachiever" label.

1993 vs. Booker T. Washington
1995 vs. Katy Taylor
1996 vs. Houston Lamar
1999 vs. Baytown Sterling
2001 vs. Humble

Just a few examples of single games where Katy played subpar during the Johnston era. Obviously, I'm not putting all of those losses on the coaches but to insinuate Katy was perfect in the Johnston era is ludicrous.

Benson was a sophomore in 1998 and Katy had its best defense in school history (at that point) that year. It would have been a great game in my opinion. However, you obviously can't make a definitive claim either way because the game was never played.

I'm one of the last people you want to get in a debate about Katy football with, so you might as well quit now before I really get going.

Good night.

[ktchamp97]

KT2000-
I would love to see some of that factual evidence. As a matter of fact, show me a Johnston team that underachieved during the epitome of his career. And oh my god, Katy/Midland Lee would have not been a helluva game. I can't remember but Midland Lee had some guy who was in the NFL draft this year...that Benson fellow that played at UT, whos without question the best Texas High School Football player of all time. On second thought, katy had a good team that year, and it might have been a good game, hey they would have sure as hell played them better than that SA team...

Not sure why, but I'll oblige...

The '96 team certainly underachieved. Tons of talent and no leadership = a blowout loss to Lamar in the second round. It wasn't Iron Mike's fault, but there's your answer.

Those are facts...you have yet to provide any.

I don't know why you have such a grudge against the current coaching staff. The other guys were going to move on at some point and they have...so what. The current staff has plenty of influence from the Mike Johnston era, and while things aren't exactly the same (they can't be, it's only natural), I would say their record speaks for itself.

There is absolutely no way you are a Katy fan, period.

[Texasfrog]

I would have to go with Katy on that game. It would have been a good game. But watching that game with all my buddies and some of the coaches, we knew every play by formation. It all stood true when watching the game. We only gave up 5.7 points a game that year vs. very good teams. I know we could have stopped them and I know our O could have put some points on the board ( even though B. Carroll) wasn't 100%. more 90%.

Ya.. but you know that ole saying. It's one thing knowing where its going and another stopping it. That little wirey Benson (10th grader) behind a pretty salty big O-line would of been tough.

Dont get me wrong. That was the game to see that year and it didnt happen. If only we could turn the clock back.

[unoit]

The score that year in the playoffs was 122 - 29. Clearbrook had the number one offense in the state that year on points and yards and were held to 42 yards total offense and 2 first downs. I am very confident that the soph. could be stopped too. Just like Katy stopped A young V. Young year after year. He was a little more elusive than Benson. We could have stopped them but like you said we will never know.

[OfficerCartman]

Benson the greatest Texas high school football player ever? I think Earl Campbell might have something to say about that.

[ktCarl]

S.A. Mac got the call at the last second to drive to Dallas and go play Midland Lee. They didnt even really practice that week. That would be tough for any High school team. So, you cant really look at the final score and knock the SA Mac team. Dont get me wrong.. they were going to lose the game.. But probably not that bad. You know ???

Plus, I think the 98 Midland Lee team was the best of the 3 (IMO). I know the 99 team was the so called National Champs but I still think the 98 team was the best.

1998 Midland Lee vs Katy would of been fun. I would go with Midland Lee but it would of been a dogfight between two pit-bulls.

I think Katy's '98 team was ranked #1 in State before the disqualification.

[ktCarl]

Benson the greatest Texas high school football player ever? I think Earl Campbell might have something to say about that.

What about Vincent Young?

[ktrain]

I think you should add Eric Dickerson to that list.

[Texasfrog]

Benson the greatest Texas high school football player ever? I think Earl Campbell might have something to say about that.

I can think of a few Texas HS players that might have something to say about that. Benson is the most recent player to gather the most accolades so his fresh on alot of people minds.

No doubt Benson is up there on the list.. but #1..????? That could be debated.. :)

PS. Dont get me wrong.. I really enjoy watching Benson play.

[TheProphet]

Alright KT2000, and Cartman, Benson was just a sophomore? Earl Might have something to say? Benson was the 5A player of the year his sophomore junior and senior season, he was so much better than everyone else his age is totally moot. Player of the year mean thats he was the BEST PLAYER IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, on the 5A level, also he is the all time leading rusher in the state and only 3 time player of the year, so while Dickerson and Campbell were both GREAT, they can't say anything because Benson broke all their records playing higher levels of competition.

[TheProphet]

plus KT2000, 99 v sterling adrian guerra and robby were both hurt and didnt play. they were 2 of our 4 best players, and we turned the ball over a lot that game and lost by less than one score. also its regular season non conference and thus is more forgivable. The 2001 team was terrible, is lucked into district, i dont think an humble team with Jason Jack and other later to be D1 players could be considered a team that we had outmanned. and once again, regular season non conference has no reprocussions.

[KT2000]

99 vs. Sterling- no excuse for that loss even with the key guys out. It was freaking homecoming.

2001 vs. Humble- had seven turnovers and were shut out at home for first time in a long time. First home loss period since 1995 against Taylor, and even that doesn't qualify as a "home loss" since it is Taylor's home field as well. That qualifies as underachievement and bad effort no matter how you slice it.

The point of listing a lot of that was to disprove your theory that Katy could do no wrong in the Johnston era.

Benson was very good as a sophomore but he wasn't yet Earl or Ricky or Eric.

I was wondering why you dissapeared from this thread so quickly the other night after my latest posts. Needed time to research?

I was trying to help you out by suggesting you just walk away from these threads about Katy. You appear to know a few things about the program, but it doesn't look like it goes much further beyond name dropping/blanket statements and an overall misinformed opinion.

[poppy]

i think jamel charles was better in high school than c. benson...benson just
happened to play on a better team..can you imagine the numbers charles would have put up with midland lees o. line....
hell even doak walker was better in high school than c.b.
reggie m. from lufkin was better too...

[Texasfrog]

i think jamel charles was better in high school than c. benson...benson just
happened to play on a better team..can you imagine the numbers charles would have put up with midland lees o. line....
hell even doak walker was better in high school than c.b.
reggie m. from lufkin was better too...

I'll give Benson his credit man. I'll also say that no player has the accerlation from zero to going 100% like Benson. Benson's 10 yd burst is second to none and that's what makes him a great back. He doesnt have the break-away speed but he has the 25 yd speed just as good if not better then most. I can only think of a few times that I honestly saw Benson get dropped for a loss and that was usually because of a blown blocking assignment. Benson was always a positive yardage runner and not even Adrain Peterson can say that. I see Peterson getting dropped alot for negative yards because his dancing around to much.

Jamaal Charles has the wiggle and break-away gliding speed. Benson has that "Burst" and balance.


Two totally different styles but both deadly.

[poppy]

i'll take charles any day of the week over c.b.
what did c.b. do in hs when lee played that team from louisiana???
remember that game?

[WestlandTiger'95]

taylor and kirchner both played that game and ethan had been out for WEEKS, ethan is always out its nothing new. also quintinilla had played just as much so dont even give me that sob story injured bullcrap. they had to gaurd a 1 dimensional offense, who wouldnt even run to pauls side. so basically they had to gaurd geno blow up the middle and scott oswalds option around the side. dont even act like you know more about it than me or are some superior brain on football.


Yes they both played, but were not in condition to play. All three were injured(will was at 40% and taylor at 60%). We knew going into the game we would not be able to stop them because of this. Our gameplan was to outscore them in a "groundgame" shootout. Dont tell me that is not the reason that clear lake ran all over us.... that and the fact that Harry Small (MLB)had his worst game as a tiger(there werent many good ones)didnt help in stopping geno blow. You dont know me and i dont know you but I'm on the sidelines everyweek so I do know my stuff. I dont have to say that i know more than you..you say it in every post you make.

[Texasfrog]

i'll take charles any day of the week over c.b.
what did c.b. do in hs when lee played that team from louisiana???
remember that game?

Ya. I do remember. He had almost 200 yds rushing and one td run of like 80 yds.

I guess you forgot that football is a "Team sport" and it takes 11 players.

Now go drink the rest of the milk and cookies your mommy has on the table for you.

[KT2000]

I remember Benson's three state championships more than the West Monroe fiasco. Benson and Charles were both awesome players coming out of high school. Different style backs, but get similar results on the field. Hopefully, Charles can stay as healthy and durable as Benson did while he was at Texas.