Yappi What a Joke

[PurpleNation]

I just got threw looking at some of there topics. They think that the Colerain 04 team would have wiped the floor with the 04 SLC team. They claim SLC did not have a great defense. From what I understand Colerain has a Power rushing attack, and is it Just me or Did SLC hold Melton(6'2 270), and Lane(6'1 240) under 50 yards rushing. Maybe Im not comprehending this but am I missing the big picture since Colerain cant pass how do they plan on to move the ball on that SLC front 7. Seriously Lane was probably the best RB in the Nation last year overall and we still didint effect the SLC front 7 with him. BTW that Middle LB #5 is a damn good FB player one of the best I've every seen. I know the matchup will never happen just thought it was funny that they feel that way about a SLC team that is the defending national champs. Now maybe if they had a little air game then it would have been better but I cant see them beating SLC in 04 something like 35-7 if they would have played. Sorry about this topic everybody just thought it was a little funny how SLC had no defense last season.

[ALLIN]

Ya, SLC had no defense, that is why they beat 16 other teams (2 that were top five in the state if not nation imo) AND NEVER LOST! They had no defense, teams just ran right over them. This is a point that can never be proven. Fact is SLC has the privelege of calling themselves NATIONAL Champs, and only one team could do that last year. I have no doubt they were/are good, but we can never know.

[KT2000]

Just consider the source on that stuff.

[sehs95]

Last year Colerain had no problem passing the ball, but they seldom needed to. Their QB rushed for over 2,000 yards and 30 TDs, averaging 8.4 yards a carry, and completed 28 of 44 passes for 584 yards and six TDs. Colerain finished around #2 or #3 in most national polls on their way to a 15-0 season in which they were not tested once. They finished #1 in the MaxPreps computer rankings.

Last year SLC gave up an average of 3 TD's per game. Teams averaged about 4 or 5 points per game on Colerain last year, and even less against their starters, while on offense scoring about 45 per game. There is no argument that Colerain was statistically a far more dominant team. The closest anyone came to them were the returning State Champs, Elder, in week one who lost 21-3.

Colerain's QB went to UC, their FB went to Michigan, the TB is currently on the team and will likely attend Minnesota. OT Connor Smith is an Ohio State commit. On defense, Linebacker Andre Revels went to Cincinnati, LB Tyler Moeller has OSU and Iowa offers, Linebacker Cobrani Mixon is a Michigan commit. DL Tirell Byrd was Ohio DI defensive player of the year and PrepNation Defensive player of the year. He had 21 sacks from his DT position. S Eugene Clifford is a big time DI recruit. Byrd's twin brother was the other tackle.

They were just a dominant, dominant team, and many here in Ohio feel that they were on par with some of our recent National Championship squads ('97 McKinley, '95 St. Ignatius).

SLC Colerain would have been a great matchup. The Irresistable Force (SLC offense) vs. The Immovable Object (Colerain D). I have a feeling, however, that the SLC offense wouldn't have as much time on the field as they were accustomed. The Colerain defense got all the attention, but the offense had the ball for 3/4 of the game, just grinding and grinding our yards and eating up the clock.

The year's Colerain team is a very good team, but they are a shadow of last year's squad. A SHADOW.

[PurpleNation]

It does sound like Colerain had a front 7 but you did not mention one secondary person. SLC throws 90% of the time and they complete there passes 90% of the time. Most of SLC TD's were given up on the reseveres after the game was well out of reach. Lufkin, and Abilene were the only exceptions were offenses had success against them and it wasn't on the ground. SLC did play against better competiton and got the job done all the same. Also Smithson valley did play a great game but carrol killed them selves with two fubmles and a blocked punt.

Lane (A&M)
Melton(Texas)

Dont think Colerain had anything last season that SLC hadn't seen rushing the football.

[CoppellCowboy57]

Ya, SLC had no defense, that is why they beat 16 other teams (2 that were top five in the state if not nation imo) AND NEVER LOST! They had no defense, teams just ran right over them. This is a point that can never be proven. Fact is SLC has the privelege of calling themselves NATIONAL Champs, and only one team could do that last year. I have no doubt they were/are good, but we can never know.

well in theory they are High School WORLD Champions...lol...SLC had a defense, But honestly, did they really need a defense? Ill never get sick of hearing Danials to Rinfro, Danials to Jacobson...Defense wins Championships, offense brings the crowd?? Not in SLC's case, there Offense won them there National Championship

[sehs95]

It does sound like Colerain had a front 7 but you did not mention one secondary person. SLC throws 90% of the time and they complete there passes 90% of the time. Most of SLC TD's were given up on the reseveres after the game was well out of reach. Lufkin, and Abilene were the only exceptions were offenses had success against them and it wasn't on the ground. SLC did play against better competiton and got the job done all the same. Also Smithson valley did play a great game but carrol killed them selves with two fubmles and a blocked punt.

Lane (A&M)
Melton(Texas)

Dont think Colerain had anything last season that SLC hadn't seen rushing the football.

Carroll does not throw 90% of the time. They do not complete 90% of their passes. Colerain had at least 2 DI players in their secondary, and LB Moeller (OSU, Iowa offers) was sort a hybrid LB/S. Colerain defeated Cincinnati Moeller in the playoffs 34-6 and Moeller didn't attempt a single rushing play. They had seen 13 teams before they get stuffed, they had a spread passing attack, a QB who had thrown for over 2,500 yards, DI recievers, and managed 6 points. I'm sure SLC would have done better than 6 points, but I doubt they'd have scored more than 21. Also, I followed SLC's season to a degree, and didn't they give up over 30 points to a 3A team with a losing record? Their Defensive line was SMALL, Their DB's suspect, and they had a poor kicking game. Impressive offense.

[KT2000]

SLC doesn't play 3A teams, and I don't think they gave up more than 30 points to anyone all last year except Abilene High in the playoffs.

Chalk this up as another completely pointless debate. There is no way to settle it unless the two teams should meet on the field.

[LeanderLions3033]

^^Couldnt have said it better myself. The competition SLC plays is better imo than Colerain. I'm not saying they arent a great team (they obviously are if they beat Tyler Lee, even with the travel and what not) but the overall competition is different. Last year Tyler Lee won the division 1 state championship and had three losses in the regular season (if i'm not mistaken). I'd like to see Colerain play the 04 or 02 SLC team, and/or the 03 North Shore team (i personally view this team as the best high school football team ever, in any classification, in any state).

[sehs95]

SLC doesn't play 3A teams, and I don't think they gave up more than 30 points to anyone all last year except Abilene High in the playoffs.

Chalk this up as another completely pointless debate. There is no way to settle it unless the two teams should meet on the field.

Sorry not a 3A team... SLC gave up 34 points to 3-7 Haltom. 30 points to Abilene, 30 points to Lufkin.

[SLCDad]

Colerain finished around #2 or #3 in most national polls on their way to a 15-0 season in which they were not tested once. They finished #1 in the MaxPreps computer rankings.Here is a composite of seven 2004 final national rankings:

Colerain had national rankings of 1,3,3,6,4,5,5 with an average of #4. They are shown as #3 here because CalPreps didn't rank Independence Charlotte at all yet they were generally considered #3 in the other polls.

Rank School Record Points calpreps ihigh prepnation schoolsports studentsports tonybianco usatoday
1 Carroll (Southlake, TX) 16-0 699 2 1 1 1 1 1 1
2 Mission Viejo (CA) 14-0 687 3 4 2 4 2 2 3
3 Colerain (Cincinnati, OH) 15-0 680 1 3 3 6 4 5 5
4 Central Catholic (Pittsburgh, PA) 16-0 665 5 7 5 5 6 8 6
5 Hoover (AL) 15-0 658 12 6 6 10 5 6 4
6 Bellevue (WA) 13-0 651 10 5 12 2 8 11 8
7 Independence (Charlotte, NC) 15-0 589 -- 2 4 3 3 3 2
8 Poly (Long Beach, CA) 13-1 586 20 18 18 23 11 21 10
9 Catholic Academy (Joliet, IL) 14-0 545 -- 8 10 16 9 4 14
10 Curtis (River Ridge, LA) 14-0 533 -- 13 14 7 16 14 9
11 Lowndes (Valdosta, GA) 15-0 532 -- 14 8 12 10 19 11
12 South Panola (Batesville, MS) 15-0 531 -- 10 17 11 17 13 7
13 Riverdale (Murfreesboro, TN) 15-0 524 24 9 15 -- 12 7 15
14 Muskegon (MI) 14-0 519 -- 11 21 17 13 12 13
15 Christian Brothers Academy (Syracuse, NY) 13-0 518 18 17 20 14 35 17 12
16 Union (Tulsa, OK) 13-1 515 -- 21 13 15 14 9 19
17 Notre Dame (Sherman Oaks, CA) 14-0 499 -- 16 11 21 19 24 16
18 LaGrange (GA) 15-0 438 -- 12 16 9 15 15 --
19 Armwood (Seffner, FL) 13-1 367 -- 25 7 8 7 SE 11 --
20 Lakeland (FL) 15-0 355 7 -- 9 -- 25 SE 10 18
21 Lufkin (TX) 14-1 343 17 -- 23 13 18 SW 12 --
22 Lowell (MI) 14-0 294 4 15 MW 6 -- 30 10 --
23 Jenks (OK) 12-1 259 -- -- SW 5 22 21 SW 9 21
24 Warren Central (Indianapolis, IN) 14-1 218 8 HM MW 8 -- 27 16 MW 8
25 Mukwonago (WI) 14-0 204 -- 20 MW 9 18 37 MW 6 MW 6
25 Landstown (Virginia Beach, VA) 14-0 204 9 HM 19 -- 28 NE 9 --
27 La Cueva (Albuquerque, NM) 13-0 194 13 -- SW 10 25 42 SW 5 --
28 Brookhaven (Columbus, OH) 15-0 188 -- 22 MW 4 -- 22 MW 13 MW 10
29 Mullen (Denver, CO) 13-1 183 -- 24 ML 5 -- 40 SW 6 25
30 Morgantown (WV) 14-0 181 -- 23 E 7 -- 45 18 --

[drgnbkr]

Carroll does not throw 90% of the time. They do not complete 90% of their passes. Colerain had at least 2 DI players in their secondary, and LB Moeller (OSU, Iowa offers) was sort a hybrid LB/S. Colerain defeated Cincinnati Moeller in the playoffs 34-6 and Moeller didn't attempt a single rushing play. They had seen 13 teams before they get stuffed, they had a spread passing attack, a QB who had thrown for over 2,500 yards, DI recievers, and managed 6 points. I'm sure SLC would have done better than 6 points, but I doubt they'd have scored more than 21. Also, I followed SLC's season to a degree, and didn't they give up over 30 points to a 3A team with a losing record? Their Defensive line was SMALL, Their DB's suspect, and they had a poor kicking game. Impressive offense.

We'll never know, but all of the pundits who look at these things looked at Carroll and almost unanimously agreed that they were the superior team...KT is right, the Dragons have not played a 3-A team in years, and in fact, had what most agree was one of the toughest roads to a championship in a long time. I'm sure your proud of your Colerain team but they would not have been able to hang with Carroll last year.

[implacable44]

mythical rankings

[SLCDad]

Sorry not a 3A team... SLC gave up 34 points to 3-7 Haltom. 30 points to Abilene, 30 points to Lufkin.I was at the Haltom game. The reserves entered the game late in the 2nd quarter. SLC destroyed them in the first 1 1/2 quarters and coasted from there.

[implacable44]

30 points either way

[drgnbkr]

30 points either way

16 & 0 ...either way..... ;)

[sehs95]

^^Couldnt have said it better myself. The competition SLC plays is better imo than Colerain. I'm not saying they arent a great team (they obviously are if they beat Tyler Lee, even with the travel and what not) but the overall competition is different. Last year Tyler Lee won the division 1 state championship and had three losses in the regular season (if i'm not mistaken). I'd like to see Colerain play the 04 or 02 SLC team, and/or the 03 North Shore team (i personally view this team as the best high school football team ever, in any classification, in any state).

I won't argue that SLC played a tougher regular season than Colerain last year, however... That doesn't mean they were the better team. I also think you'd probably be suprised at the schedules of Ohio's elite DI teams. In no other state do the top teams play eachother as much as in Ohio. When the MaxPreps computer puts out the toughest schedules in the country at the end of the year 3-6 of the top 10 will be Ohio teams. Mind you, the Computer has no clue what team is from what state.

For instance, Ohio power St. Ignatius plays: St. Xavier (already beat Colerain this year), St. Edward (Regionally ranked), St. Joe's Prep (PA) (National top 10), Mishawaka Penn (IN) (top 5 team in Indiana), Massillon Washington (second winningest team in the USA), Mentor (DI playoff team, largest school in the state), Warren Harding (perrenial State and Regional Power, Maurice Clarett's HS). Most of the top teams in Ohio have similar schedules. Then once you get into the playoffs you often end up playing those very schools again. The Sporting News called Ohio's Division One "The toughest classification in the nation". The reason being is that ALL of Ohio's big dogs are going for the same trophy.

[implacable44]

was that a topic up for debate or are you just stupid enough to think that anyone actually cares ?

[bullrock]

Something you SLC fans are missing though. How many privates did you play on your way to the National Championship? I don't care what anyone says. If they're private and they're good, then that's exactly what they mean. Nobody will ever convince me they don't recruit. I don't care what state they're from. Everybody has this idea they are getting a superior education by going private. In my opinion that's just a cop-out and a way to bandage a problem they can't take care of. You reap what you sow. Sure, if you look at polls, the publics rate a lot worse than the privates in scores. On a whole, there are kids as smart in publics as those in privates. What the privates don't have is the others. But, they will suffer later in life because most of the world is made up of "the others" and they will not be able to relate to them. Hitler tried to separate "them" from "the others" 70 odd years ago and the world paid a heavy price for it.

[sehs95]

I was at the Haltom game. The reserves entered the game late in the 2nd quarter. SLC destroyed them in the first 1 1/2 quarters and coasted from there.

That's not true. Daniel, Luna, and Renfro accounted for SLC's last 3 Touchdowns against Haltom in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

SLC had an average defense at best.

[supercentex]

You also have to look at how weak Colerain was last year against the pass....they faced a Moeller team that threw successfully on them.......the whole game...but Moeller made too many mistakes.

SLC doesn't make mistakes...and their system and WR corps would have rocked Colerain's world.

[SLCDad]

I also think you'd probably be suprised at the schedules of Ohio's elite DI teams. In no other state do the top teams play eachother as much as in Ohio. When the MaxPreps computer puts out the toughest schedules in the country at the end of the year 3-6 of the top 10 will be Ohio teams. Mind you, the Computer has no clue what team is from what state.Don't be mislead here. The 2004 MaxPreps rating had several Ohio schools at the top on strength of schedule. Why? Because they played Colerain (once or even twice). MaxPreps ranked Colerain #1. It's a bit of a self fulfilling prophesy.

----> Colerain is ranked high. The teams Colerain plays therefore get tough schedule ratings. Colerain beats these teams. The high ranking is reinforced.<---

National computer ranking don't work well for high schools. There are 10,000+ high schools and very, very little inter state competition. National computer ratings should be taken with a grain of salt.

State high school computer rankings are a bit better but still have huge problems for the same reasons.

[ohio21]

How come Texas folks don't think any other state has good football but them? I guess the movie "Friday Night Lights" got y'all big-headed. If the SLC team played last year's Colerain team it would have been a close one. No one would ever know who would have won. Football in Ohio is as good as any. If you line the top team from Ohio to play the top team from Cali, FL, TX, and PA. The Ohio team would be 3-1 or 4-0 easy. Losing maybe to Cali. Texas has proven it has good football but saying that Texas would wipe the floor with Ohio is stupid. Ohio plays out of state team EVERY year and hardly loses.

[sehs95]

You also have to look at how weak Colerain was last year against the pass....they faced a Moeller team that threw successfully on them.......the whole game...but Moeller made too many mistakes.

SLC doesn't make mistakes...and their system and WR corps would have rocked Colerain's world.

Moeller scored 6 points on Colerain, I see what you mean. Moeller didn't attempt a running play all night, except 6 QB keepers netting 0 yards. Moeller did pass for 290 yards, but with 3 INT's included. Almost all of those passing yards were between the 20's, which is fairly common for a spread offense team. Without a ground game they bog down in the Red Zone. Colerain DB's Brayden Coombs and Eugene Clifford are both DI college players. LB/S Tyler Moeller is a DI college player. I don't think they were suceptible to the pass.

[sehs95]

Don't be mislead here. The 2004 MaxPreps rating had several Ohio schools at the top on strength of schedule. Why? Because they played Colerain (once or even twice). MaxPreps ranked Colerain #1. It's a bit of a self fulfilling prophesy.

----> Colerain is ranked high. The teams Colerain plays therefore get tough schedule ratings. Colerain beats these teams. The high ranking is reinforced.<---

National computer ranking don't work well for high schools. There are 10,000+ high schools and very, very little inter state competition. National computer ratings should be taken with a grain of salt.

State high school computer rankings are a bit better but still have huge problems for the same reasons.

St. Edward and St. Ignatius were also way up there and neither of them played Colerain. Colerain played 7 league games and none of those teams appeared at the top of the MaxPreps schedule rankings.

Take the top 7 or 8 programs in Ohio... Look at their schedules and the credentials of the teams they play, then tell me anyone in the country plays a more difficult schedule year in and year out. St. Ignatius, St. Xavier, St. Edward, Elder, Colerain, and Benedictine have all played out of state powers early in the year. St. Edward has games with Mission Viejo, De La Salle, and Valdosta (tentative) set up for upcoming years, in addition to our annual game against Ignatius (9x Ohio champs, 4x National) and Moeller (7x Ohio champs, 5x National).

It seems to me that the standard argument for why the Texas teams are better than everyone else all seem to come down to "Because we're Texas and you are not".

[ohio21]

St. Edward and St. Ignatius were also way up there and neither of them played Colerain. Colerain played 7 league games and none of those teams appeared at the top of the MaxPreps schedule rankings.

Take the top 7 or 8 programs in Ohio... Look at their schedules and the credentials of the teams they play, then tell me anyone in the country plays a more difficult schedule year in and year out. St. Ignatius, St. Xavier, St. Edward, Elder, Colerain, and Benedictine have all played out of state powers early in the year. St. Edward has games with Mission Viejo, De La Salle, and Valdosta (tentative) set up for upcoming years, in addition to our annual game against Ignatius (9x Ohio champs, 4x National) and Moeller (7x Ohio champs, 5x National).

It seems to me that the standard argument for why the Texas teams are better than everyone else all seem to come down to "Because we're Texas and you are not".

Thank you for pointing that out. It seems as if these people are never satisfied. We beat one of their teams and they made up excuses. Then they tried to say that Lee was #11 in which I proved that people were first claiming them as the #2 team. Saying Colerain couldn't hang with SLC. WELL THEY DIDN'T PLAY SLC SO GET OVER IT. And if they did i'm sure it would have been a good game. Just because we don't have a movie about Ohio football doesn't mean we aren't as good as anybody else, if not better!!!

[supercentex]

No one was claiming they were #2 in the state........even after the wins against Florida and Waco High....Tyler Lee didn't even move up in the rankings on various websites.
The AP really isn't accurate until the end of the year pretty much. At the start of the season it is based on what they did LAST YEAR.

[ohio21]

No one was claiming they were #2 in the state........even after the wins against Florida and Waco High....Tyler Lee didn't even move up in the rankings on various websites.
The AP really isn't accurate until the end of the year pretty much. At the start of the season it is based on what they did LAST YEAR.

YOU SAID THAT THEY WERE #2!!!!

This is what you said in a previous thread!!!:
Waco High made significant strides from week zero to week one, but squandered several golden opportunities against No. 2-ranked Tyler Lee Friday night, falling,21-7, in the Waco ISD Hall of Fame Game.

[bullrock]

Well, it wasn't a total loss. At least our last generation of high schoolers did some good. We didn't have a single Ohion on our team unlike OSU. By the way, Yobooty (sic) is a plant. He is actually enrolled at Texas playin' for the Nuts. Didn't ya'll notice a couple of missed assignments there?

[SLCDad]

That's not true. Daniel, Luna, and Renfro accounted for SLC's last 3 Touchdowns against Haltom in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

SLC had an average defense at best.Average defense? Nope. Regarding the Haltom game my post is true. The reserves were in during the 2nd quarter. The starters returned for a while in the 3rd and the reserves finished the game.

[SLCDad]

St. Edward and St. Ignatius were also way up there and neither of them played Colerain. Colerain played 7 league games and none of those teams appeared at the top of the MaxPreps schedule rankings.

Take the top 7 or 8 programs in Ohio... Look at their schedules and the credentials of the teams they play, then tell me anyone in the country plays a more difficult schedule year in and year out. St. Ignatius, St. Xavier, St. Edward, Elder, Colerain, and Benedictine have all played out of state powers early in the year. St. Edward has games with Mission Viejo, De La Salle, and Valdosta (tentative) set up for upcoming years, in addition to our annual game against Ignatius (9x Ohio champs, 4x National) and Moeller (7x Ohio champs, 5x National).

It seems to me that the standard argument for why the Texas teams are better than everyone else all seem to come down to "Because we're Texas and you are not".My friend, I never made a "standard argument" statement like that. I just provided a word of caution regarding national high school computer rankings, including strength of schedule rankings. They should be taken with a grain of salt. I stand by that 100%. The same is probably true with the national polls.

Regarding a 2004 SLC and Colerain game, who knows who would have won? It would have been a great game. My guess is that SLC would have won in Texas and Colerain would have won in Ohio. If they played 10 times the record would have been 5-5. The SLC defense would be bruised from all the pounding and the Colerain DBs and LBs would be exhausted from running all over the field.

[supercentex]

YOU SAID THAT THEY WERE #2!!!!

This is what you said in a previous thread!!!:
Waco High made significant strides from week zero to week one, but squandered several golden opportunities against No. 2-ranked Tyler Lee Friday night, falling,21-7, in the Waco ISD Hall of Fame Game.

I didn't say it..the newspaper said it....and the newsapers use the AP Poll.

[ohio21]

That means someone thought highly of them. Why did all of the #11 talk come AFTER they lost? And if Colerain would "only be in the top 25" why did they STILL beat the #11 team??

[Colgar]

My friend, I never made a "standard argument" statement like that. I just provided a word of caution regarding national high school computer rankings, including strength of schedule rankings. They should be taken with a grain of salt. I stand by that 100%. The same is probably true with the national polls.

Regarding a 2004 SLC and Colerain game, who knows who would have won? It would have been a great game. My guess is that SLC would have won in Texas and Colerain would have won in Ohio. If they played 10 times the record would have been 5-5. The SLC defense would be bruised from all the pounding and the Colerain DBs and LBs would be exhausted from running all over the field.

Colerain's DB's and LB's would have had plenty of rest because Colerain would have held the ball and ran it right at SLC.

I agree with you on National Rankings but I do think Colerain would have beaten SLC no matter where they played. The Byrd twins and Calvin Dixon on Colerain's line allowed the linebackers freedom to rush, play the pass and as SEH95 pointed out three of the linebackers will play major college D1 football and DB Clifford will also.

I know SLC had a good passing attack and Renfro is a special talent but I have to agree the SLC defense was good but not in the same league as Colerains.

Take it for what it's worth. That is just how I see it.

Also, thanks to Wacolinebacker who sent us weakly updates and links to films on Yappi. I think Lane was a good power back but didn't have a lot of speed.

[boto24]

I really hate the rehash this topic but here was Colerain's competition last year. This is the real joke. Elder and La Salle were the only regular season opponents that finished above .500 and Centerville was the only undefeated team they played all season. No team they played had more than 11 wins. The competition is really pathetic.
8/28 N Elder (7-4) [1:4] W 21-3
9/5 N Anderson (5-5) [1:4] W 48-10
9/11 H Princeton (3-7) [1:4] W 45-12
9/17 A Sycamore (4-6) [1:4] W 49-0
9/24 A Milford (2-8) [1:4] W 70-3
10/1 H Middletown (5-5) [1:4] W 55-7
10/8 A Fairfield (5-5) [1:4] W 56-14
10/15 H Lakota West (8-3) [1:4] W 69-20
10/22 H Oak Hills (4-6) [1:4] W 56-0
10/29 A La Salle (6-5) [1:4] W 35-7
11/6 H # Elder (7-4) [1:4] W 38-3
11/13 N # Centerville (11-1) [1:4] W 35-0
11/20 N # Archbishop Moeller (10-3) [1:4] W 34-6
11/27 N # Worthington Kilbourne (11-3) [1:3] W 34-3
12/4 N # Canton McKinley (11-4) [1:2] W 50-10
# - Ohio playoff game
The composite record for Colerain opponents (counting Elder once): 92-65.

Here was Carroll's competition last year:
08/28/2004 Midland Lee (8-3 playoff team) (3-5A) won: 45-14
09/03/2004 Coppell (4-6) (6-5A) won: 70-21
09/10/2004 @ Plano East (5-6 playoff team) (I-5A) won: 41-21
09/24/2004 @ Keller Fossil Ridge (6-4) (5-5A) won: 28-6
10/01/2004 Colleyville Heritage (4-6) (5-5A) won: 45-22
10/08/2004 @ Haltom (3-7) (5-5A) won: 56-35
10/14/2004 Denton Ryan (12-2 playoff team) (5-5A) won: 52-27
10/22/2004 @ Keller (8-3 playoff team) (5-5A) won: 33-18
10/29/2004 Grapevine (5-5) (5-5A) won: 61-26
11/05/2004 @ Richland (1-9) (5-5A) won: 61-14
11/13/2004 @ Irving# (6-5) (I-5A) Texas Stadium won: 49-13
11/20/2004 Allen# (9-3) (I-5A) Texas Stadium won: 52-14
11/27/2004 Abilene# (12-1) (I-5A) Texas Stadium won: 35-30
12/04/2004 Denton Ryan# (12-2) (I-5A) Texas Stadium won: 28-7
12/11/2004 @ Lufkin# (14-1) (II-5A) Floyd Casey won: 37-30
12/18/2004 Spring Branch Smithson Valley# (13-3) (IV-5A) Texas Stadium won: 27-24
# - Denotes playoff games
The composite record for Carroll opponents (counting Denton Ryan once): 110-64
Carroll defeated three undefeated teams (Denton Ryan twice, Abilene, and Lufkin). It's a fact that Carroll's competitors were much stiffer especially in the playoffs and Carroll played one more additional game than Colerain to add to it. I guess Carroll will be on par with Ohio's best when they can start smashing teams that are 10-3 or 11-2 in a state that has less than 20% as many 5A size schools as Texas. Give me a break Ohio. The "Colerain had the most dominant defense I've ever seen" will only be believed by Ohio homers who have only witnessed Ohio level competition. Just ask dragonbuck. He a born and bred Ohio HS diehard but will tell anybody Texas HS football as a whole is at a totally different level. There aren't any Texans living in Ohio that will go on any thread and say the same thing about Ohio HS football. :p

[KT2000]

Amazingly, or yet not so, this thread has turned into the very thing it pointed out despising originally. Pointless argument abound when it comes to one state vs. another.

[SLCDad]

Colerain's DB's and LB's would have had plenty of rest because Colerain would have held the ball and ran it right at SLC.

I agree with you on National Rankings but I do think Colerain would have beaten SLC no matter where they played. The Byrd twins and Calvin Dixon on Colerain's line allowed the linebackers freedom to rush, play the pass and as SEH95 pointed out three of the linebackers will play major college D1 football and DB Clifford will also.

I know SLC had a good passing attack and Renfro is a special talent but I have to agree the SLC defense was good but not in the same league as Colerains.

Take it for what it's worth. That is just how I see it.

Also, thanks to Wacolinebacker who sent us weakly updates and links to films on Yappi. I think Lane was a good power back but didn't have a lot of speed.Virtually all of the voters in the national polls took a different view than your's . . . but . . . you are entitled to your opinion.

[pack0808]

Each year if you look at the top Big 10 teams, they usually have plenty of players from Texas. Ohio St, Iowa, Purdue, and Michigan have starters from Texas every year it seems. Even my Iowa Hawks star qb is from texas their best wr is from texas and they usually have 2 or 3 on defense every year. Yet you almost never see a Ohio kid or a Michigan kid on the Texas roster. If they have so much talent why do they need to recruit Texas players every year and how does several become starters each year?? Only Florida and California produce as much talent as Texas and that is a fact. Ohio is a great football state but they are not on the level of the big 3 overall depth in my humble opinion. Sure some of their teams are capable of beating anybody but on the whole Tx, Fl and Cali wins in terms of producing talent. Look at the # of NFL players and you will those states listed as 1,2,3. Just my Lufkin Panthers alone have 4 or 5 current NFL players with more on the way.

[sehs95]

Each year if you look at the top Big 10 teams, they usually have plenty of players from Texas. Ohio St, Iowa, Purdue, and Michigan have starters from Texas every year it seems. Even my Iowa Hawks star qb is from texas their best wr is from texas and they usually have 2 or 3 on defense every year. Yet you almost never see a Ohio kid or a Michigan kid on the Texas roster. If they have so much talent why do they need to recruit Texas players every year and how does several become starters each year?? Only Florida and California produce as much talent as Texas and that is a fact. Ohio is a great football state but they are not on the level of the big 3 overall depth in my humble opinion. Sure some of their teams are capable of beating anybody but on the whole Tx, Fl and Cali wins in terms of producing talent. Look at the # of NFL players and you will those states listed as 1,2,3. Just my Lufkin Panthers alone have 4 or 5 current NFL players with more on the way.

pack0808: I'm sure you're pretty knowledgable about Texas football, but I think you need to get out more and expand your horizons. Texas certainly produces more than their fair share of NFL talent, but they are not even close to being at the top in per capita numbers. Texas' large output of college and pro players is a combination of the quality of the players and the sheer enormity of the state. However, states like Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Florida clearly outpace Texas in producing talent per capita. Similarly, Ohio does pretty well for it's size and in sheer numbers falls behind only Texas, Calif, Florida, Georgia and Louisiana. When you break it down per capita, all you learn is that states with a higher percentage of African American population produce a higher percentage of pro players. Not suprising when you look at the racial demographics of the NFL.

Now, why does OSU usually have a few Texans and Texas rarely has any Ohioans? Not really complicated. For the most part, both teams are built with an overwhelming majority of home grown talent. Neither team really needs to go outside their own state, and especially Mac Brown with over 20million people in Texas. When Ohio kids go out of state, it is overwhelmingly to other Big 10 teams. No kids here care about the Big 12. Only a handful of kids near Cinci care about SEC football. Michigan, Notre Dame (except during TW years), Purdue, Iowa, Michigan State, Penn State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Boston College, West Virginia, Louisville, Northwestern, Indiana, all the MAC schools, C-USA schools, and Big East schools are loaded with Ohio kids. Pete Carroll also recruits Ohio heavily, although with mixed success. Former OSU coach John Cooper grew up in the south and liked to recruit nationally moreso than Jim Tressell. It was one of the many reasons he never endeared himself to Ohioans. Year after year blue chip players would go to Notre Dame, Penn State, and Michigan. JT has done a better job locking up our boarders, and loses very few kids that he really wants. But like Texas, there are only 25 spots, and more than 25 kids wanting to fill them.

BTW: Plenty of HS teams in Ohio have multiple NFL players as well. St. Ignatius has: Dave Ragone, QB Houston Texans, Tom Arth, QB Indianapolis Colts, Chris Hovan, All-pro DT Minnesota Vikings, LeCharles Bentley, All-pro G New Orleans Saints, Jacob Bell, G Tennessee Titans. My school has 3, soon to be 5. Canton McKinley has had players in the NFL for something like 40+ consecutive years. Their '97 National Championship team had 3 future NFL players + thier QB is now QB coach of the Patriots. Cleveland Glenville (Tedd Ginn, Troy Smith, Donte Whitner , all starting for the Buckeyes) has a dozen kids in their senior class that have DI offers, and over 2/3 of their starting lineup will play DI football. Warren Harding, Columbus Brookhaven, Cleveland Benedictine...the list goes on... All pump out large amounts of DI talent.

People act like Ohioans have never seen an NFL player or a decent HS football team.

One other thing to remember about Ohio is our coaches. There are over a dozen NCAA DI-A head football coaches who are Ohio natives. Over 10% of all DI head coaches are Ohio natives. Bob Stoops, Jim Tressell, Urban Meyer, Mike Stoops, Frank Solich, Larry Coker, and Randy Walker are just a few. Guys like Paul Brown, Knute Rockne, and Gus Dorias practically created the modern game of football here in Ohio. We don't need to be told what good football is.

[westlake]

This thread is pretty pointless.

Im tired of hearing TX vs OH debate over and over again.

Texas' Football culture is probably more intense than anywere else, there is no way to tell which team is better. I think that Texas probably has more good teams than most states, mainly because Texas is bigger than most states.

[Colgar]

Virtually all of the voters in the national polls took a different view than your's . . . but . . . you are entitled to your opinion.

Thanks, I actually saw a game or two, including SLC's Ryan game unlike the national polsters. I also talked to some knowledgeable people, including a friend of mine who played at Army and lives in your area.

And you are correct, it is merely my opinion. There is nothing factual about it and we'll never know.

Some college recruiter acquaintences of mine think that Mission Viejo was better than both of them. I am sure you'll agree with me when I say they are wrong.

[Colgar]

Amazingly, or yet not so, this thread has turned into the very thing it pointed out despising originally. Pointless argument abound when it comes to one state vs. another.

So, its pointless what's the point of this board then?

[Colgar]

Well, it wasn't a total loss. At least our last generation of high schoolers did some good. We didn't have a single Ohion on our team unlike OSU. By the way, Yobooty (sic) is a plant. He is actually enrolled at Texas playin' for the Nuts. Didn't ya'll notice a couple of missed assignments there?


That's the spirit. I'm not a big OSU fan but that was a great game.

My Eastern Kentucky Colonels would have bottled up Young and sent him home without his supper though. ;)

[goscots]

This thread reminded me how good Abilene High was. I would have loved to see them match up against Colerain. They probably should've come out of that SLC with the win, but that one could have gone either way. What a game to go to!!

Here it is- talk about dominant!

AUG 27 LUBBOCK MONTEREY (5-5) A 56-00
SEP 03 SAN ANGELO CENTRAL (5-5) H 59-06
SEP 11 BROWNWOOD (5-5) A 63-14
SEP 17 BELTON (0-10) H 44-00
SEP 24 SHREVEPORT EVANGEL H 19-14
OCT 08 *ODESSA (4-6) A 59-14
OCT 15 *MIDLAND (8-2) H 52-14
OCT 22 *ODESSA PERMIAN (4-6) A 35-07
OCT 29 *ABILENE COOPER (5-5) H 35-14
NOV 05 *MIDLAND LEE (8-2) H 20-17


Dominant.

[sehs95]

This thread reminded me how good Abilene High was. I would have loved to see them match up against Colerain. They probably should've come out of that SLC with the win, but that one could have gone either way. What a game to go to!!

Here it is- talk about dominant!

AUG 27 LUBBOCK MONTEREY (5-5) A 56-00
SEP 03 SAN ANGELO CENTRAL (5-5) H 59-06
SEP 11 BROWNWOOD (5-5) A 63-14
SEP 17 BELTON (0-10) H 44-00
SEP 24 SHREVEPORT EVANGEL H 19-14
OCT 08 *ODESSA (4-6) A 59-14
OCT 15 *MIDLAND (8-2) H 52-14
OCT 22 *ODESSA PERMIAN (4-6) A 35-07
OCT 29 *ABILENE COOPER (5-5) H 35-14
NOV 05 *MIDLAND LEE (8-2) H 20-17


Dominant.

The records of those teams are absolutely miserable. I know, I know... Belton would be a state champ in most states.

[dada]

This thread reminded me how good Abilene High was. I would have loved to see them match up against Colerain. They probably should've come out of that SLC with the win, but that one could have gone either way. What a game to go to!!

Here it is- talk about dominant!

AUG 27 LUBBOCK MONTEREY (5-5) A 56-00
SEP 03 SAN ANGELO CENTRAL (5-5) H 59-06
SEP 11 BROWNWOOD (5-5) A 63-14
SEP 17 BELTON (0-10) H 44-00
SEP 24 SHREVEPORT EVANGEL H 19-14
OCT 08 *ODESSA (4-6) A 59-14
OCT 15 *MIDLAND (8-2) H 52-14
OCT 22 *ODESSA PERMIAN (4-6) A 35-07
OCT 29 *ABILENE COOPER (5-5) H 35-14
NOV 05 *MIDLAND LEE (8-2) H 20-17


Dominant.
I see two teams with a winning % higher than .500....but I could be looking at it half full rather than halh empty.

[dada]

The records of those teams are absolutely miserable. I know, I know... Belton would be a state champ in most states.
Come on SEHS....I saw Colerains.....wasnt that impressive either! ;)

[goscots]

The records of those teams are absolutely miserable. I know, I know... Belton would be a state champ in most states.

Um, this wasn't counting playoff teams, so yeah... compared to Colerain, Colerain had a 7-4, 8-3, and 6-5. Abilene had 8-2, 8-2, and whatever Evangel Christian was.

Yeah, Abilene was a better team than Colerain. There, I said it.

[CoppellCowboy57]

My coach went to Abline High...I know off topic...But thoughs teams Abline high all sucked IMO...slc would have spanked thoughs teams worse the then Abline high, doent everyone remember 70-21 against coppell, does it really matter if a team wins that big but still alows 21 points?

[Colgar]

I really hate the rehash this topic but here was Colerain's competition last year. This is the real joke. Elder and La Salle were the only regular season opponents that finished above .500 and Centerville was the only undefeated team they played all season. No team they played had more than 11 wins. The competition is really pathetic.
8/28 N Elder (7-4) [1:4] W 21-3
9/5 N Anderson (5-5) [1:4] W 48-10
9/11 H Princeton (3-7) [1:4] W 45-12
9/17 A Sycamore (4-6) [1:4] W 49-0
9/24 A Milford (2-8) [1:4] W 70-3
10/1 H Middletown (5-5) [1:4] W 55-7
10/8 A Fairfield (5-5) [1:4] W 56-14
10/15 H Lakota West (8-3) [1:4] W 69-20
10/22 H Oak Hills (4-6) [1:4] W 56-0
10/29 A La Salle (6-5) [1:4] W 35-7
11/6 H # Elder (7-4) [1:4] W 38-3
11/13 N # Centerville (11-1) [1:4] W 35-0
11/20 N # Archbishop Moeller (10-3) [1:4] W 34-6
11/27 N # Worthington Kilbourne (11-3) [1:3] W 34-3
12/4 N # Canton McKinley (11-4) [1:2] W 50-10
# - Ohio playoff game
The composite record for Colerain opponents (counting Elder once): 92-65.


This requires further review....Elder was the defending state champ and undefeated when Colerain played them. They were 7-2 when not playing Colerain...Lakota West was undefeated when Colerain beat them. They lost to 9-1 Lakota East, who somehow missed the playoffs and Moeller in the playoffs...They didn't play anyone with more than 11 wins because it would have been impossible to do so. Centerville was undefeated but only had 11 wins because Colerain ended the season. Colerain's conference has 10 teams of which Colerain plays seven. It stands to reason that they will have near .500 records in the aggregate because they play each other.

Carrol played one more game than Colerain and the teams that they played in the playoffs had an extra game.

If you take out, the Colerain wins over its opponents (you wouldn't want to penalize them for their own win) there opponents were an aggregate 92-50 or 42 games above .500 when playing anyone besides Colerain.

And as we all know, the record of a team's opponents has nothing to do with how good the team is.

[zippy]

Wow, SV not only got closer than anyone did, they also held SLC to the least amount of points scored all year. I just noticed that. I hope they meet again.


I really hate the rehash this topic but here was Colerain's competition last year. This is the real joke. Elder and La Salle were the only regular season opponents that finished above .500 and Centerville was the only undefeated team they played all season. No team they played had more than 11 wins. The competition is really pathetic.
8/28 N Elder (7-4) [1:4] W 21-3
9/5 N Anderson (5-5) [1:4] W 48-10
9/11 H Princeton (3-7) [1:4] W 45-12
9/17 A Sycamore (4-6) [1:4] W 49-0
9/24 A Milford (2-8) [1:4] W 70-3
10/1 H Middletown (5-5) [1:4] W 55-7
10/8 A Fairfield (5-5) [1:4] W 56-14
10/15 H Lakota West (8-3) [1:4] W 69-20
10/22 H Oak Hills (4-6) [1:4] W 56-0
10/29 A La Salle (6-5) [1:4] W 35-7
11/6 H # Elder (7-4) [1:4] W 38-3
11/13 N # Centerville (11-1) [1:4] W 35-0
11/20 N # Archbishop Moeller (10-3) [1:4] W 34-6
11/27 N # Worthington Kilbourne (11-3) [1:3] W 34-3
12/4 N # Canton McKinley (11-4) [1:2] W 50-10
# - Ohio playoff game
The composite record for Colerain opponents (counting Elder once): 92-65.

Here was Carroll's competition last year:
08/28/2004 Midland Lee (8-3 playoff team) (3-5A) won: 45-14
09/03/2004 Coppell (4-6) (6-5A) won: 70-21
09/10/2004 @ Plano East (5-6 playoff team) (I-5A) won: 41-21
09/24/2004 @ Keller Fossil Ridge (6-4) (5-5A) won: 28-6
10/01/2004 Colleyville Heritage (4-6) (5-5A) won: 45-22
10/08/2004 @ Haltom (3-7) (5-5A) won: 56-35
10/14/2004 Denton Ryan (12-2 playoff team) (5-5A) won: 52-27
10/22/2004 @ Keller (8-3 playoff team) (5-5A) won: 33-18
10/29/2004 Grapevine (5-5) (5-5A) won: 61-26
11/05/2004 @ Richland (1-9) (5-5A) won: 61-14
11/13/2004 @ Irving# (6-5) (I-5A) Texas Stadium won: 49-13
11/20/2004 Allen# (9-3) (I-5A) Texas Stadium won: 52-14
11/27/2004 Abilene# (12-1) (I-5A) Texas Stadium won: 35-30
12/04/2004 Denton Ryan# (12-2) (I-5A) Texas Stadium won: 28-7
12/11/2004 @ Lufkin# (14-1) (II-5A) Floyd Casey won: 37-30
12/18/2004 Spring Branch Smithson Valley# (13-3) (IV-5A) Texas Stadium won: 27-24
# - Denotes playoff games
The composite record for Carroll opponents (counting Denton Ryan once): 110-64
Carroll defeated three undefeated teams (Denton Ryan twice, Abilene, and Lufkin). It's a fact that Carroll's competitors were much stiffer especially in the playoffs and Carroll played one more additional game than Colerain to add to it. I guess Carroll will be on par with Ohio's best when they can start smashing teams that are 10-3 or 11-2 in a state that has less than 20% as many 5A size schools as Texas. Give me a break Ohio. The "Colerain had the most dominant defense I've ever seen" will only be believed by Ohio homers who have only witnessed Ohio level competition. Just ask dragonbuck. He a born and bred Ohio HS diehard but will tell anybody Texas HS football as a whole is at a totally different level. There aren't any Texans living in Ohio that will go on any thread and say the same thing about Ohio HS football. :p

[implacable44]

I find it humorous that in one thread SLCdad is supporting the national poll and the dragons as the national champs - but in another thread he discounts that information when relating it to the relevance of Ohio football. humorous.

[ohio21]

Each year if you look at the top Big 10 teams, they usually have plenty of players from Texas. Ohio St, Iowa, Purdue, and Michigan have starters from Texas every year it seems. Even my Iowa Hawks star qb is from texas their best wr is from texas and they usually have 2 or 3 on defense every year. Yet you almost never see a Ohio kid or a Michigan kid on the Texas roster. If they have so much talent why do they need to recruit Texas players every year and how does several become starters each year?? Only Florida and California produce as much talent as Texas and that is a fact. Ohio is a great football state but they are not on the level of the big 3 overall depth in my humble opinion. Sure some of their teams are capable of beating anybody but on the whole Tx, Fl and Cali wins in terms of producing talent. Look at the # of NFL players and you will those states listed as 1,2,3. Just my Lufkin Panthers alone have 4 or 5 current NFL players with more on the way.

The reason Texas, Cali, FL, have good football is because of the weather. They all have football all year around. And don't try and tell me they don't because I played in TX, and it was on my schedule as a class, after lunch we would suit up and go practice. In December. I have family in Cali which they talk to me about the football and they say they have all year around. My dad lives in FL and he goes and watches the teams practice. If Ohio had warm weather all year around like these states this topic wouldn't even be needed.

[ALLIN]

I find it funny that you are so envious of SLC that you spend the day searching for contradictions in the posts from SLC supporters, humorous. Just kidding Plac, calm down ;)

[raidercheerdad]

The reason Texas, Cali, FL, have good football is because of the weather. They all have football all year around. And don't try and tell me they don't because I played in TX, and it was on my schedule as a class, after lunch we would suit up and go practice. In December. I have family in Cali which they talk to me about the football and they say they have all year around. My dad lives in FL and he goes and watches the teams practice. If Ohio had warm weather all year around like these states this topic wouldn't even be needed.

What school was that? If it wasn't during the season or the 2 approved weeks of the spring drills, I'll bet the UIL would like to know about it! Or is it just another statement of frill w/out fact to back it up. We have rules in Texas also and many multi-sport athletes. Drills and weight training are a big part of that, but that is not only for improvement, but the PE part of the curriculum has mandates as well.

[ohio21]

The school doesn't really matter. We had football skill and development 5th period. And the season had been over for about a month. But it must be cool to break the rules IF it IS against the rules because I seen Katy do it, Elsik do it, Hastings do it and another school I can't think of. 2002 was the year and if you want to look into it go ahead.

[KT2000]

There is an athletic period in KISD (5th period here in KISD for football and most other places have it as well) which is legal under UIL rules. It counts as Phys. Ed credit for student-athlete which it should. However, no pad or organized team football drills of any kind can be held in the off-season months (Jan to mid April) until spring ball starts. So, at Katy anyway, it's just mat drills (boot camp style training), weights, sprints and other leisurely activities until the pads can go back on again.

[Texasfrog]

The school doesn't really matter. We had football skill and development 5th period. And the season had been over for about a month. But it must be cool to break the rules IF it IS against the rules because I seen Katy do it, Elsik do it, Hastings do it and another school I can't think of. 2002 was the year and if you want to look into it go ahead.

I agree that the weather tends to make the kids more athletic (because they're outside alot playing). I think that's why States like Texas, Cali and Florida have very strong baseball & track.

As far as Texas playing football all year. (????). The (UIL) would squash that. The kids are lifting and running during the off season. Sometimes you see kids out doing 7 on 7 drills (without coaches).

The only time you can have coaches/ with kids out on the fields with football pads and running football drills is during Spring football ( and thats only on the 4A and 5A level) and the coaches have the option to not do that. Some want the extra week during August that you get if you dont do (Spring football).

[westlake]

At Westlake we had an athletic period too. 2nd period. During season we went in shorts helmates and shoulder pads and ran plays. Offseason shorts and t-shirts and we lifted weights, did conditioning, super-drag, other football skills.

During the offseason, guys were "encouraged" to run track (at least go to all the practices), or do field events and we were also "encouraged" to come after school and lift on our own and finish what lifts we diddnt finish during the period. During the season we had mandatory lifting before school monday and wednesday for varsity, and we came on Saturday after games to watch game film, run and lift weights.

Offseason was so bad, i used to get migranes and stomache aches thinking about it during first period. I was so afraid of screwing up. We had Bench, decline and closegrip bench, power clean, hang clean, snatch clean, and drop cleans. We did Back squats and front squats and calf raises. then we had Auxilliary lifts Pec-deck, and shoulder complex, dead lifts, and neck harness, leg press, lat pull, rowing machine, tricep machine. Then we did Incline press w/ bar and dumbbells and military press. If you skip a rep and get cought a coach takes you outside and makes you do 50 Green bays (up downs).

Outside we did relay runs, 25 and 50 second runs (running full speed around the trach for 25 or 50 seconds) Monkey and parallel bars. Medicine ball sit-ups, and various jumps w/ medicine balls. We also did formed running, and various jumping drills (1-4' boxes that you jump on top of and over) Throwing up was common. We would lift power clean and squats then go pull the super drag, a 200lb rubber mat strapped to your back, you pull it in 2-6 50yd incriments, forward backwards and bear crawling.

Most guys did Adams Course in the summer, and Karment Kiara in the summer (suit up in a sweat suit in the heat of the summer and run hills etc.) , and were again "encouraged" to come 3x a week to lift over the summer Then we had 2 weeks of 2-a-days, the 2 weeks before school, come and lift before practice, have a practice from like 8-11, then have a 1hr break, and another practice from 12-3. We ran plays, ran Double-D's (1 dd is basically 6 wind sprints at once), Did position drills. We had to do 50-100 greenbays (up-downs) before getting water.

I believe that teams can have either 2 wks in the spring or summmer right before school starts.

[Lee05]

lee #2 my, we weren't #2 last year when we won state and we were far better on both sides of the ball. i've seen last year and this year play, there isn't a comparison, we just aren't near as good as we were which isn't bad considering they did win state. but lee #2 this year? haha no way, as much as i'd like to say they're #1 or something, they're probably not even top 10. and isn't colerain ranked top 5 in ohio? i'm not trying to argue either way, but saying colerain could take SLC just because of the lee/colerain game is pretty ********. comparing out of state teams with no similar factor based on one meaningless game which was way overhyped by everyone not playing means you're either bored or stupid.

if you wanted a good comparison then the game should be played with last years rosters, a lot can change in a year and if colerain had still spanked lee with equal attendance and other stuff then no one would be making these stupid posts. we can't play teams in your district, and you can't play 11-5a, so let's just leave it at that.

edit: as far as the Ohio members just joining to post garbage, are you guys actually going to post anything worthwhile or just spam the forum with if's and but's about ohio football. one win over a texas team and just about all of you spazz out, why are you talking to us about being big headed? we aren't the ones making off the wall posts saying how our state's team would easily be able to mop the floor with any other powerhouse in the country because one of our best year in year out beat a top15 ohio team a year after they won state. we won state ONE YEAR, we should play SLC vs. an Ohio team that wins state for the first time, but a year after they win it, great comparison right? :rolleyes: i'd suggest just locking every new topic about it, because it seems people from ohio just like to reply to themselves.

[SLCDad]

I find it humorous that in one thread SLCdad is supporting the national poll and the dragons as the national champs - but in another thread he discounts that information when relating it to the relevance of Ohio football. humorous.Implac, what are you doing? Following me around stirring up trouble??? Pathetic.

If you read what I said I was talking about computer generated ratings, like MaxPreps. That is where the strength of schedule ratings come from which is what we were talking about with regard to the Ohio teams.

National computer power ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. State power ratings are a bit better but also have problems.

[SLCDad]

I find it funny that you are so envious of SLC that you spend the day searching for contradictions in the posts from SLC supporters, humorous. Just kidding Plac, calm down ;)You noticed that also? Me too.

[ohio21]

lee #2 my ***, we weren't #2 last year when we won state and we were far better on both sides of the ball. i've seen last year and this year play, there isn't a comparison, we just aren't near as good as we were which isn't bad considering they did win state. but lee #2 this year? haha no way, as much as i'd like to say they're #1 or something, they're probably not even top 10. and isn't colerain ranked top 5 in ohio? i'm not trying to argue either way, but saying colerain could take SLC just because of the lee/colerain game is pretty ********. comparing out of state teams with no similar factor based on one meaningless game which was way overhyped by everyone not playing means you're either bored or stupid.

if you wanted a good comparison then the game should be played with last years rosters, a lot can change in a year and if colerain had still spanked lee with equal attendance and other stuff then no one would be making these stupid posts. we can't play teams in your district, and you can't play 11-5a, so let's just leave it at that.

edit: as far as the Ohio members just joining to post garbage, are you guys actually going to post anything worthwhile or just spam the forum with if's and but's about ohio football. one win over a texas team and just about all of you spazz out, why are you talking to us about being big headed? we aren't the ones making off the wall posts saying how our state's team would easily be able to mop the floor with any other powerhouse in the country because one of our best year in year out beat a top15 ohio team a year after they won state. we won state ONE YEAR, we should play SLC vs. an Ohio team that wins state for the first time, but a year after they win it, great comparison right? :rolleyes: i'd suggest just locking every new topic about it, because it seems people from ohio just like to reply to themselves.

Everything you said was so dumb I don't know where to begin. But since I don't want to make it too long all I have to ask is if Lee is "just oh so bad" why did you all pick them to win? And for the umpteenth time COLERAIN IS NOT #1 IN OHIO!!!! THEY ARE #4 IN THEIR DIVISION!!! OHIO HAS 6 DIVISIONS. And last year was actually Colerain's first (1st)....numero uno...state title. So all that Lee's first state title stuff is just thrown out

[Lee05]

the same reason why everyone from ohio picked colerain. because people from ohio knew jack about lee and people from texas knew jack about colerain so we just picked the "hometown" team. do you lack common sense or something?

[Edge41]

edit: as far as the Ohio members just joining to post garbage, are you guys actually going to post anything worthwhile or just spam the forum with if's and but's about ohio football. one win over a texas team and just about all of you spazz out, why are you talking to us about being big headed? we aren't the ones making off the wall posts saying how our state's team would easily be able to mop the floor with any other powerhouse in the country because one of our best year in year out beat a top15 ohio team a year after they won state. we won state ONE YEAR, we should play SLC vs. an Ohio team that wins state for the first time, but a year after they win it, great comparison right? :rolleyes: i'd suggest just locking every new topic about it, because it seems people from ohio just like to reply to themselves.
This is so funny it hurts. The VAST majority of the Ohio posters had never heard of this site until posters like wacolinebacker, dreagerfrog, REL###, etc, etc, came on the Ohio board talking about how the great REL was coming to Ohio to show us what Texas football is all about. Well, they showed us. And FOR THIS GAME, Ohio was MUCH better. Colerain clearly called off the dogs in the second half. Since then all we have heard is excuses for why REL was embarrassed on NATIONAL tv. We keep hearing "we shoulda sent lufkin, SLC, Longview, yada, yada, yada. If you people would have had a little class in losing maybe there wouldnt be nearly as many "Ohio members just joining to post garbage".
As far as the Colerain, SLC arguement, while it will never be known, IMHO it is the opinion of most Ohio posters that THIS year, SLC would probably win, but LAST year, Colerain was simply something special and I dont believe any team in the NATION would have seriously given them a game. Like I said in another post, due to the shear size of Texas, overall, I believe they have more quality teams then Ohio or any other state. But at the very highest level, like top ten, I doubt there is much difference at all.

[Lee05]

This is so funny it hurts. The VAST majority of the Ohio posters had never heard of this site until posters like wacolinebacker, dreagerfrog, REL###, etc, etc, came on the Ohio board talking about how the great REL was coming to Ohio to show us what Texas football is all about. Well, they showed us. And FOR THIS GAME, Ohio was MUCH better. Colerain clearly called off the dogs in the second half. Since then all we have heard is excuses for why REL was embarrassed on NATIONAL tv. We keep hearing "we shoulda sent lufkin, SLC, Longview, yada, yada, yada. If you people would have had a little class in losing maybe there wouldnt be nearly as many "Ohio members just joining to post garbage".
As far as the Colerain, SLC arguement, while it will never be known, IMHO it is the opinion of most Ohio posters that THIS year, SLC would probably win, but LAST year, Colerain was simply something special and I dont believe any team in the NATION would have seriously given them a game. Like I said in another post, due to the shear size of Texas, overall, I believe they have more quality teams then Ohio or any other state. But at the very highest level, like top ten, I doubt there is much difference at all.


i can respect that, but 95% of the forum members here didn't post on ohio forums so why should the innocent posters get bombarded with trash talk after the game? as far as losing with class, yeah a couple of people made excuses, but honestly if people from another forum join to just to say "OHIO FOOTBALL PWNS TEXAS LOL" we're going to get annoyed. colerain beat lee, we've accepted this already. now by spamming a TEXAS forum with how good Ohio football is, do you not think a couple of people are going to get pissed off? If Lee had won, would you want 10 new members at Ohio forums talking about how we dominate Ohio and how Lee could easily mop the floor with the #1 Ohio team based on irrelevant facts? as far as colerain last year beating slc, we can agree to disagree. no one can accurately compare both teams, so we should just drop it.

i'm not responding anymore, but no one assumes Ohio football is any worse than other top states. they've got good programs just like texas, we just have like 10x as many people. anywho, just respect the forum and people here will respect your opinion.

[sehs95]

Implac, what are you doing? Following me around stirring up trouble??? Pathetic.

If you read what I said I was talking about computer generated ratings, like MaxPreps. That is where the strength of schedule ratings come from which is what we were talking about with regard to the Ohio teams.

National computer power ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. State power ratings are a bit better but also have problems.

I'm actually pretty impressed with the MaxPreps rankings. The system starts with a completely blank slate. It knows nothing about school size, what states are strongest, what teams have historically done well, returning letterman, DI prospects, etc, etc. With over 20,000 high schools playing football in the US, the Maxpreps computer spit out a final ranking with Colerain (OH), Southlake Carroll (TX), Mission Viejo (CA), and Pittsburgh Cent. Cath. (PA) all in the top 5... Practically identical to most of the human polls. All undefeated, big school division champs, from power HS football states. That sold me on their system.

[dada]

The school doesn't really matter. We had football skill and development 5th period. And the season had been over for about a month. But it must be cool to break the rules IF it IS against the rules because I seen Katy do it, Elsik do it, Hastings do it and another school I can't think of. 2002 was the year and if you want to look into it go ahead.
Elsik did it when I was there in the 90's...you ran track if Football season was over or you hit the weight room.

[dada]

I agree that the weather tends to make the kids more athletic (because they're outside alot playing). I think that's why States like Texas, Cali and Florida have very strong baseball & track.

As far as Texas playing football all year. (????). The (UIL) would squash that. The kids are lifting and running during the off season. Sometimes you see kids out doing 7 on 7 drills (without coaches).

The only time you can have coaches/ with kids out on the fields with football pads and running football drills is during Spring football ( and thats only on the 4A and 5A level) and the coaches have the option to not do that. Some want the extra week during August that you get if you dont do (Spring football).
Weather plays a big part of a players conditioning also....once your body adjusts to this heat...you're a little better in normal conditions ;)

[SLCDad]

This is so funny it hurts. The VAST majority of the Ohio posters had never heard of this site until posters like wacolinebacker, dreagerfrog, REL###, etc, etc, came on the Ohio board talking about how the great REL was coming to Ohio to show us what Texas football is all about. Well, they showed us. And FOR THIS GAME, Ohio was MUCH better. Colerain clearly called off the dogs in the second half. Since then all we have heard is excuses for why REL was embarrassed on NATIONAL tv. We keep hearing "we shoulda sent lufkin, SLC, Longview, yada, yada, yada. If you people would have had a little class in losing maybe there wouldnt be nearly as many "Ohio members just joining to post garbage".
As far as the Colerain, SLC arguement, while it will never be known, IMHO it is the opinion of most Ohio posters that THIS year, SLC would probably win, but LAST year, Colerain was simply something special and I dont believe any team in the NATION would have seriously given them a game. Like I said in another post, due to the shear size of Texas, overall, I believe they have more quality teams then Ohio or any other state. But at the very highest level, like top ten, I doubt there is much difference at all.A couple of points:
1. Technically it may have been a national TV game but only a tiny fraction of households in the USA get ESPNU. Very, very few people even saw the game. No doubt the ratings were off the chart on the bottom especially since it was blacked out in Texas.

2. You think SLC would have won vs. Colerain this year but lost last year? You may not know much about SLC. Last year SLC had 5 games with teams who were ranked in the national top 25 at one point during the year. Record was 5-0. Colerain's schedule was much weaker. That's probably why SLC was the almost unanimous #1 and Colerain was #4 even though Colerain was so dominant in Ohio. When you say "I don't believe any team in the nation would have seriously given them a game" you are being naive.

[Colgar]

i can respect that, but 95% of the forum members here didn't post on ohio forums so why should the innocent posters get bombarded with trash talk after the game? as far as losing with class, yeah a couple of people made excuses, but honestly if people from another forum join to just to say "OHIO FOOTBALL PWNS TEXAS LOL" we're going to get annoyed. colerain beat lee, we've accepted this already. now by spamming a TEXAS forum with how good Ohio football is, do you not think a couple of people are going to get pissed off? If Lee had won, would you want 10 new members at Ohio forums talking about how we dominate Ohio and how Lee could easily mop the floor with the #1 Ohio team based on irrelevant facts? as far as colerain last year beating slc, we can agree to disagree. no one can accurately compare both teams, so we should just drop it.

i'm not responding anymore, but no one assumes Ohio football is any worse than other top states. they've got good programs just like texas, we just have like 10x as many people. anywho, just respect the forum and people here will respect your opinion.

Look at the title of this thread "Yappi is a Joke"

Why would Yappi posters not respond?

I could understand your complaint if Yappi posters broke into a Lufkin vs Longview and posted statements out of the blue but if you are going to have threads like this or discuss Ohio football in any way, what else do you expect?

Also, just because someone disagrees with you does not automatically make it garbage.

One man's opinion is another man's spam, I guess.

[SLCDad]

I'm actually pretty impressed with the MaxPreps rankings. The system starts with a completely blank slate. It knows nothing about school size, what states are strongest, what teams have historically done well, returning letterman, DI prospects, etc, etc. With over 20,000 high schools playing football in the US, the Maxpreps computer spit out a final ranking with Colerain (OH), Southlake Carroll (TX), Mission Viejo (CA), and Pittsburgh Cent. Cath. (PA) all in the top 5... Practically identical to most of the human polls. All undefeated, big school division champs, from power HS football states. That sold me on their system.If the computers are so great, as you say, why did MaxPreps completely miss Independence Charlotte NC in their rating? Independence Charlotte was probaby the 3rd best team in the NATION in 2004?

Further, it's NOT a completely blank slate. The human programmers must include MANY assumptions (many are very subjective). Those assumptions are reflected in the output. It's NOT a completely blank slate even though they say it is.

[SLCDad]

I'm actually pretty impressed with the MaxPreps rankings. The system starts with a completely blank slate. It knows nothing about school size, what states are strongest, what teams have historically done well, returning letterman, DI prospects, etc, etc. With over 20,000 high schools playing football in the US, the Maxpreps computer spit out a final ranking with Colerain (OH), Southlake Carroll (TX), Mission Viejo (CA), and Pittsburgh Cent. Cath. (PA) all in the top 5... Practically identical to most of the human polls. All undefeated, big school division champs, from power HS football states. That sold me on their system.One further point . . . you lifted the first part of your post from the MaxPreps web site. You quoted it almost verbatim. You bought into their advertisement hook, line and sinker.

[RidgePride]

A couple of points:
1. Technically it may have been a national TV game but only a tiny fraction of households in the USA get ESPNU. Very, very few people even saw the game. No doubt the ratings were off the chart on the bottom especially since it was blacked out in Texas.

2. You think SLC would have won vs. Colerain this year but lost last year? You may not know much about SLC. Last year SLC had 5 games with teams who were ranked in the national top 25 at one point during the year. Record was 5-0. Colerain's schedule was much weaker. That's probably why SLC was the almost unanimous #1 and Colerain was #4 even though Colerain was so dominant in Ohio. When you say "I don't believe any team in the nation would have seriously given them a game" you are being naive.

Colerain never had anyone to challenge them last year. If they would have played 5 teams who were in the NATIONAL top 25 then they would have had closer games and would not have looked unbeatable. They may have won as Southlake did, but you would have been able to at least see the possibility of them losing.

If Southlake Played Colerain's schedule, they most likely would have scored at least 50 every game and looked as dominant as Colerain.

If Colerain played Southlake schedule, they would have had closer games and would not have looked as dominant.

[owlfan 1]

My head hurts...

[Colgar]

Colerain never had anyone to challenge them last year. If they would have played 5 teams who were in the NATIONAL top 25 then they would have had closer games and would not have looked unbeatable. They may have won as Southlake did, but you would have been able to at least see the possibility of them losing.

If Southlake Played Colerain's schedule, they most likely would have scored at least 50 every game and looked as dominant as Colerain.

If Colerain played Southlake schedule, they would have had closer games and would not have looked as dominant.

Maybe but maybe not. Sorry Owlfan this may hurt more.

On one hand you guys say that that Lee's #2 ranking in the AP polls is misleading then how can you turn right around and base your analysis of Colerain vs SLC on the National Top 25 of USA Today or MaxPreps or any of the well meaning but grossly flawed rankings. I don't believe any of them.

There were several teams that Colerain 2004 played that were capable of beating them last year. That team was talented but they were also very intense. They didn't take a down off. They didn't beat themselves and made very few mistakes. It was more than talent that allowed them to dominate like they did.

Maybe Southlake Carrol was the same way. I've talked to people that saw them play and I know they were very, very good. I watched the Denton Ryan game on TV and they were also impressive.

The reason that I think Colerain would have won was that I think Colerain's Defense would have been able to slow Carrol's offense better than some of their opponents and Colerain's offense which was much better than the offense you saw on Friday would have moved the ball on Carroll's defense and kept the Dragon's excellent Offense on the sidelines.

Regardless of who they played or what you think of Colerain's schedule they were very good. Number 1 in the nation is anybody's guess. I didn't see every other team in the nation, so I have no idea.

Seh95 will tell you. No one believed how good Colerain was last year. Seh95 is from Cleveland and he was skeptical for the same reasons you are but once they saw it for themselves they became believers.

Again, I am not trying to disparage Texas football or prop up Ohio football because I don't believe there is a huge gap between the states. There is a team in Baltimore that was pretty good according to people I've talked to and I know some college coaches that tell me Mission Viejo was the best high school team they'd ever seen.

[ohio21]

the same reason why everyone from ohio picked colerain. because people from ohio knew jack about lee and people from texas knew jack about colerain so we just picked the "hometown" team. do you lack common sense or something?

Actually I picked Lee to win. I thought Lee was better than they actually were. I guess I do lack common sense ;)

[Lee05]

Actually I picked Lee to win. I thought Lee was better than they actually were. I guess I do lack common sense ;)

punch yourself in the face.

and if every ohio football thread is going to turn into "hey we kick *** and will beat any texas team ever....cuz we rule. OHIO RULES!!!" then we shouldn't talk about Ohio football, period.

and yeah "TexASS", that's really cool and hilarious ohio21, you rock dude. keep it up

[ohio21]

punch yourself in the face.
:D Don't you just love it when somebody gets mad :D

WOOSSAH

[ohio21]

Nobody was saying Ohio is just the mecca of football until everybody was saying Ohio was not as good as Texas. Our top 10 could go down for down with your top 10 and it could go either way. But ever since Lee lost it seem like people are downgrading them because they lost saying that they are ranked in the 35-40 area after people just predicted them to smash Colerain. And it also seems like people are rooting for them to lose so that can prove they are not as good as last year. There is no difference between Ohio football and anywhere else. Texas has great football as does Ohio.

[RidgePride]

Nobody was saying Ohio is just the mecca of football until everybody was saying Ohio was not as good as Texas. Our top 10 could go down for down with your top 10 and it could go either way. But ever since Lee lost it seem like people are downgrading them because they lost saying that they are ranked in the 35-40 area after people just predicted them to smash Colerain. And it also seems like people are rooting for them to lose so that can prove they are not as good as last year. There is no difference between Ohio football and anywhere else. Texas has great football as does Ohio.
No one said Ohio Could not compete with our top teams.
We just have more Top teams. I think that is Texas' Whole argument for the most part.

To Win the State championship, you have to fight through a brutal playoff path.

[implacable44]

SLC posters are the biggest offenders on the board and post the most ridiculous comments( a few of them) so I choose to correct them.

It is funny because if the other polls would have had say colerain as the national champ or some team from california and the max polls would say texas is the best football state with the SLC having the toughest schedule than you would have applauded that poll and detracted from the national poll.

[RockinL]

But at the very highest level, like top ten, I doubt there is much difference at all.

Narrow that down to top 5, and we have an agreement.

[RidgePride]

Narrow that down to top 5, and we have an agreement.
Maybe even 3

[steeler 01]

Narrow that down to top 5, and we have an agreement.
in california we could compete with the top 10 easily.

[bullrock]

You'll have to climb our walls first!

[sehs95]

Would someone go over to Yappi.com and retrieve the Texan who is claiming that SLC would give Ohio State a pretty good game... Thanks in advance!

[dragonsdaddy]

hit ignore. my new mantra. your problems are erased. btw, we don't want him back.

[Jaws89]

Let's just put this thing to rest ...

The way I see it if REL had won they would have been saying the EXACT SAME things the the Coletrain guys are saying --- Colerain was not as good as we thought --- the game was a joke --- etc and so on ... And Colerain would probably be using their own excuses --- don't say you wouldn't because you would have --- Texas is bigger -- more to choose from -- or some other excuses

Fact is : COLERAIN WON ... they are a good team ( if that surprises you then you are out of touch )

The way I see it everytime a Colerain fan/coach/player/student says how weak REL is/was that makes them look weaker too ... they ( Ohio ) should be telling everyone how great REL is ... and follow that statement with -- And we were able to beat them ! That is no disrespect to REL --- just a fact

I think with all the bickering and cussing and arguing you guys have what was supposed to be a memory for these players/coaches/fans/students into a big nightmare

Let's see this for what it is/was ... a game ... it could be worse ... ask some of the folks in the Astrodome or Reliant Stadium that are sleeping on sleeping bags about a foot and a half from their neighbor ...

Good game Colerain ... win the rest of your games ... that will only make REL look better !

[ohio21]

Everything will be setteld as long as you all respect Ohio football.

[dada]

Everything will be setteld as long as you all respect Ohio football.
I respect any person who puts on the pads....don't matter where they are from....now male-band guys, dancers and cheerleaders.....NO RESPECT :D

[RidgePride]

Everything will be setteld as long as you all respect Ohio football.
Respect is earned.

If REL proves to be a great TX Football team, I will give all the deserved respect.

Nothing will change if Colerain dominates Ohio and REL struggles in TX.
Colerain would just have beat a Decent (not great) TX team.

[Texasfrog]

Would someone go over to Yappi.com and retrieve the Texan who is claiming that SLC would give Ohio State a pretty good game... Thanks in advance!

If someone from SLC is claiming that SLC can play with Ohio St. I'll be the first to slap them.

[SLCDad]

If someone from SLC is claiming that SLC can play with Ohio St. I'll be the first to slap them.SLC could play against Ohio State but the game would have be to called in the 1st quarter not only because the score is 70-0 but because the field has become un-playable due to all the green blood.

[RidgePride]

SLC could play against Ohio State but the game would have be to called in the 1st quarter not only because the score is 70-0 but because the field has become un-playable due to all the green blood.

I guarantee that person was just trying to stir things up.
No way that anyone truly believes that.

I truly do believe though that some powerhouse high schools could beat some D2 or D1AA schools.

I played college football and know that these D1AA schools have slightly above average athletes.

Some high schools have several D1 players.

[RockinL]

in california we could compete with the top 10 easily.
Easily?

Compete...yes. Win some....yes......but easily? I wont go that far.

Do you live in SoCal or NorCal?

[RockinL]

Would someone go over to Yappi.com and retrieve the Texan who is claiming that SLC would give Ohio State a pretty good game... Thanks in advance!
Those darn SLC kids...... :p

The bad thing about it is......there is probably some knucklehead who really believes that. Oh well, every state has its idiots. I wont start a new thread on "Who has the best idiots". LOL

[dragonfootballfan]

I read where the guy said that SLC could play with Ohio State and that guy does not know what he is talking about. That was not the only point that did not make any sense. He is just making a fool of himself

[wide's BETTER half]

Everything will be setteld as long as you all respect Ohio football.

We don't have to respect Ohio football here...read the URL (that's the web address in case you don't know) dude! You might as well be saying that while standing on Texas soil!

[Texasfrog]

I guarantee that person was just trying to stir things up.
No way that anyone truly believes that.

I truly do believe though that some powerhouse high schools could beat some D2 or D1AA schools.

I played college football and know that these D1AA schools have slightly above average athletes.

Some high schools have several D1 players.


The top High school powers (Top #10 in Texas) could play with some of the weaker D-1AA schools (#40---#70).

Last years SLC & Lufkin could of play with them almost toe to toe and done well.

The announcer after the Colerain vs Tyler Lee game kind of surprised me. He says "both of these teams look like they can play D-1AA football and have some great looking athletes."

[RidgePride]

The top High school powers (Top #10 in Texas) could play with some of the weaker D-1AA schools (#40---#70).

Last years SLC & Lufkin could of play with them almost toe to toe and done well.

The announcer after the Colerain vs Tyler Lee game kind of surprised me. He says "both of these teams look like they can play D-1AA football and have some great looking athletes."
Well the great highschool athletes that will be going to Michigan-Ohio state - Texas TCU etc are better than the athletes at these D-1AA schools.

They are just a little younger, that is the only disadvantage.

[dragonsdaddy]

the only way a high school team could come close to a d1 or even a d-2 school would be with better coaching. everyone of the d-2 players were the best players on their respective hs teams. there aren't any playing at the next level that weren't really good in hs. the worst player on the field in a college game was a good player in hs. when you read the program you see that lots of the players were d-1 candidatews who either didn't make the grades to get in, or have some baggage otherwise. almost every d2 or higher team i've ever seen would beat slc, lufkin kt coju, whoever you want to throw in there.

[Texasfrog]

Well the great highschool athletes that will be going to Michigan-Ohio state - Texas TCU etc are better than the athletes at these D-1AA schools.

They are just a little younger, that is the only disadvantage.


Ya.. Colerain has a few kids that could go to Youngstown St, Ohio and probably start for them right now.

Tyler Lee has a few kids that could go to Sam Houston or SFA and at least be on the 2-deep roster and getting alot of playing time. I'm sure RB-Jason Williams & Fs-T.Cuba could go to SFA right now and play a ton.

[ohio21]

We don't have to respect Ohio football here...read the URL (that's the web address in case you don't know) dude! You might as well be saying that while standing on Texas soil!

Don't you got dishes to wash??

[drgnbkr]

Don't you got dishes to wash??


Don't you got?????....... :confused:

[wide's BETTER half]

Don't you got dishes to wash??

Excuse me? No, actually I'm busy keeping up with the scores from a few games. Let me tell you something...don't go there with me! I'm known as the nice and reasonable Wideman but, I do have my limits. I suggest you keep remarks like that to yourself! Got it?

[wide-e-wide]

Ohio 21...it was fun while it lasted...but now the time has come for you
to say goodbye...
You insult my wife dog...I gotta getcha....I have to man...you know the rules...
The admin has already been advised...now you can go quietly...or you can get cussed out...it's up to you.
Don't make me go Wideman on your 'lil young ***.

[wide's BETTER half]

Ohio 21...it was fun while it lasted...but now the time has come for you
to say goodbye...
You insult my wife dog...I gotta getcha....I have to man...you know the rules...
The admin has already been advised...now you can go quietly...or you can get cussed out...it's up to you.
Don't make me go Wideman on your 'lil young ***.

No, leave this one alone. I got it. These Ohio punks are NOT worth it!

[Texasfrog]

No, leave this one alone. I got it. These Ohio punks are NOT worth it!


Ok... I'll be the first to say it.

Euless Trinity vs Colerain... who wins ???? Neutral field and , neutral travel (same distance)...

[ohio21]

Say whatever you got to say I don't want to be on this ***** *** site anyway!!

[wide's BETTER half]

Say whatever you got to say I don't want to be on this ***** *** site anyway!!


Okay? then why are you? Your not WANTED on this site either! Can't you feel the love? Probably because there isn't any!

[ktchamp97]

Say whatever you got to say I don't want to be on this ***** *** site anyway!!

Peace...

[wide's BETTER half]

Peace...

Thanks man! I like the way you do business!

[RidgePride]

Respect is earned.

If REL proves to be a great TX Football team, I will give all the deserved respect.

Nothing will change if Colerain dominates Ohio and REL struggles in TX.
Colerain would just have beat a Decent (not great) TX team.
:D :D :D :D

[Texasfrog]

:D :D :D :D

ya.. the sad thing is Colgar is on Yappis trying to convince everyone that Tyler Lee is about equal to Lakota East, Ohio the team that just got spanked by Colerain like 45-3 on Lakota's homefield.

In fact Colerain had them like 35-3 at halftime and I dont doubt they had several starters out going into the 4th qt.

Tyler Lee travels to Ohio and loses a game to Colerain 27-12 and it was 24-12 at halftime. On top of Tyler Lee traveling to Ohio.

This guy (Colgar) is telling people.. Tyler Lee is about like Lakota East.

That guy is a complete sick "HOMER".

It had to kill him to see Euless Trinity beat Tyler Lee worse then Colerain did on Tyler's homefield. I'm sure that just ruined his day.

[RidgePride]

ya.. the sad thing is Colgar is on Yappis trying to convince everyone that Tyler Lee is about equal to Lakota East, Ohio the team that just got spanked by Colerain like 45-3 on Lakota's homefield.

In fact Colerain had them like 35-3 at halftime and I dont doubt they had several starters out going into the 4th qt.

Tyler Lee travels to Ohio and loses a game to Colerain 27-12 and it was 24-12 at halftime. On top of Tyler Lee traveling to Ohio.

This guy (Colgar) is telling people.. Tyler Lee is about like Lakota East.

That guy is a complete sick "HOMER".

It had to kill him to see Euless Trinity beat Tyler Lee worse then Colerain did on Tyler's homefield. I'm sure that just ruined his day.
The evidence is right in front of them and they still deny it. That is Stupid.

(From Colgar) Is DNA really evidence???

[RidgePride]

ya.. the sad thing is Colgar is on Yappis trying to convince everyone that Tyler Lee is about equal to Lakota East, Ohio the team that just got spanked by Colerain like 45-3 on Lakota's homefield.

In fact Colerain had them like 35-3 at halftime and I dont doubt they had several starters out going into the 4th qt.

Tyler Lee travels to Ohio and loses a game to Colerain 27-12 and it was 24-12 at halftime. On top of Tyler Lee traveling to Ohio.

This guy (Colgar) is telling people.. Tyler Lee is about like Lakota East.

That guy is a complete sick "HOMER".

It had to kill him to see Euless Trinity beat Tyler Lee worse then Colerain did on Tyler's homefield. I'm sure that just ruined his day.
I can't get on Yappi for some reason, but on the Thread "Tyler Lee Vs Trinity, Cardman spells it out very clearly to Colgar. I believe he is dead on.
I hope you (Texas Frog) can highlight his comments.