Your Top 10 for 2005

[ktchamp97]

Alright folks...

We've been hammering out our preseason Top 25 and we feel we have a pretty good handle on it. I'm interested in hearing who y'all think will be the elite teams in the state this year.

We see 7 teams that could, in any other year, have a case to be ranked #1. The team we have pegged at #7 for now, is just scary good and may be the best looking "7th best" team in a long long time.

Be objective, be civil, and try to give us some insight as to why you rank certain teams. There really are no wrong answers when it comes to this sort of thing, because who the heck really knows...

Fire away...

[trinity05]

where do you have trinity on that list?

[KT2000]

We could tell you, but...well...you know the rest.

[supercentex]

1. Southlake Carroll
2. Longview High
3. Spring Westfield
4. Lufkin High
5. Tyler Lee
6. Katy High
7. Smithson Valley
8. Midland Lee
9. Euless Trinity
10. Converse Judson
11. Copperas Cove
12. Abilene High
13. Denton Ryan
14. The Woodlands
15. Irving High
16. Klein Forest
17. Cedar Park
18. Arlington Lamar
19. Pflugerville
20. Klein Collins
21. Mansfield Summit
22. San Antonio Marshall
23. Donna
24. Pearland
25. Bryan

[ktchamp97]

trinity05,

They're in the upper echelon ;).

We'll be starting our Countdown to #1 at the beginning of next month, which will lead up to the release of our 2005 Gridiron Guide.

Where would you rate the Trojans?

[ktchamp97]

supercentex,
You've actually got several teams in the exact spots that we have them.

And, this isn't a criticism, but having Lufkin behind Longview should certainly create some discussion, hah.

[supercentex]

Dude, i'm on my game........How many did I get in the exact spot?

In my opinion........I think Longview has the returners back this year to do some damage with Lufkin...IF they met. Nothing against Lufkin....I saw what they have........

[trinity05]

I think they belong in the bottom part of the top 10 i would rank them in front of midland lee. imo trinity has more coming back this year. I think there only loss would be to tyler lee.....and who knows......maybe they could pull that game off as well

[katytiger07]

i think katy should be higher than 6 on his list because of all the returning letterman they have coming back they have the whole returning d line and a great o line and back field

[GTown02]

Somethings wrong..... Garland isnt the #1..... ;) ;) ;)

[RGVBadBoy]

my list on the top 25

1. Southlake Carroll
2. Smithson Valley
3. Lufkin High
4. Abilene High
5. Katy High
6. Longview High
7. Spring Westfield
8. Tyler Lee
9. Euless Trinity
10. Converse Judson
11. Copperas Cove
12. Midland Lee
13. Denton Ryan
14. The Woodlands
15. Irving High
16. SA O'Connor
17. Victoria Memorial
18. Harlingen
19. Arlington Lamar
20. SA Churchill
21. Mansfield Summit
22. Schertz Clemens
23. Cedar Park
24. SA Madison
25. Klein Collins

[Favpack]

1. Longview
2. SLC
3. Lufkin
4. Abilene High
5. Smithson Valley
6. Tyler Lee
7. Spring Westfield
8. Katy
9. Converse Judson
10.The Woodlands

I'd say Judson and SV are the teams most likely to knock out a top 4.

[RGVBadBoy]

is longview really expected to be that good next season??????

[abilenefan]

1. Longview
2. SLC
3. Lufkin
4. Abilene High
5. Smithson Valley
6. Tyler Lee
7. Spring Westfield
8. Katy
9. Converse Judson
10.The Woodlands

I'd say Judson and SV are the teams most likely to knock out a top 4.

At the end of the season last year, I seriously doubted that Abilene High would be a top 10 team this coming season. Based on what I'm hearing, reloading is definitely the word. The offensive side of the ball seems to be shaping up pretty good. There are still several holes to fill on the defense as well as the mix of the coaching staff....at least five new assistants at Abilene High. I definitely am starting to see the possiblities. AHigh could end up with a receiver core close to last year and Potts could be incredible if he improves as much between his Jr - Sr year as he did the previous year. The kid could be simply amazing.

More after spring ball.

[Xfballphenome05]

heres mine...i think S.V. and lufkin will be #1 and 2 all season,athough they might switch during the season



1. Lufkin High
2. Smithson Valley
3. Southlake Carrol
4. Katy High
5. Abilene High
6. Longview High
7. Spring Westfield
8. Tyler Lee
9. Euless Trinity
10. Converse Judson
11. Copperas Cove
12. Midland Lee
13. Denton Ryan
14. The Woodlands
15. Irving High
16. SA O'Connor
17. Victoria Memorial
18. Harlingen
19. Arlington Lamar
20. SA Churchill
21. Mansfield Summit
22. Schertz Clemens
23. Cedar Park
24. SA Madison
25. Klein Collins

[garland04]

I'm wondering why Tyler Lee is so low. From what I've noticed, the only major player leaving is Tyrone Ross, and the second string running back from last year is taking his place. (I've heard that he is supposed to be as good if not better, just a little experience problem). Is that why everyone is ranking them so low? experience? Because the team I saw last year in Tyler and at the state championship could hang if not beat some of the 'big' D2 schools.....

[Jtate862003]

tyrone isnt the only person that is going ot affect lee.....there losing alot of key defensive players pretty much both o and d-line...but that lost just about everyone last yr as well....theres still alot of talent in lee.....look for them to make a deep run again this yr.....

[Rerun]

1. SLC
2. Smithson Valley
3. The Woodlands
4. Abilene High
5. Schertz Clemens
6. Tyler Lee
7. Spring Westfield
8. Converse Judson
9. Katy
10. Lufkin

[Bootsdaddy]

1. SLC
2. Smithson Valley
3. The Woodlands
4. Abilene High
5. Schertz Clemens
6. Tyler Lee
7. Spring Westfield
8. Converse Judson
9. Katy
10. Lufkin

The Woodz #3, Clemens #5, no Longview and Lufkin #10?

[Rerun]

The Woodz #3, Clemens #5, no Longview and Lufkin #10?

Correct.....

[Bootsdaddy]

Correct.....

!. Longview
2. Southlake Carroll
3. Spring Westfield
4. Smithson Valley
5. Lufkin
6. Tyler Lee
7. Converse Judson
8. Katy
9. Euless Trinity
10. The Woodlands

Maybe this year we could have a 5A Texas Football Forum top 10 where posters could vote Sun and Mon. I'm sure someone would volunteer to add the points. It would be interesting to see how our Top 10 compares to the site's. With posters from every part of the state it would be fairly balanced as far as regional bias.

[Firebird]

I don't know enough about HS football in the rest of the state to make a top 25/top 10 list, but I do know valley football. Whoever had Donna in the top 25 is mistaken. Donna has a new coach this year, he replaces a VERY popular coach who was forced out due to an extremely ugly hazing and sodomy scandal. Donna is usually among the top valley teams (although they nearly always make early playoff exits), but with the turmoil surrounding the program, it's going to be tough for them this year. The new coach is a good coach, but it is going to take some time to right the ship in Donna.

I would also question putting Harlingen in any top 25 list, although it hurts me to say so. (I am a die-hard Cardinal fan). They are probably going to be a very, very good valley team this year, but I don't believe there aren't 25 teams up the state that won't be better. Harlingen will advance farther in the playoffs because the upstate schools knock each other off in the early rounds.

[RGVBadBoy]

i think Harlingen does belong in the top 25 of texas......Harlingen, though not my team is the best in the RGV and will show it well next season, i expect them to exit the playoffs no earlier than the regional final and thats a fact.....i realize you firebird are a die hard Cardinal fan, i am a die hard Sharyland fan, but i do believe Harlingen will be one of the tops in the state, especially in region 4, Harlingen is one of those teams that can score from anywhere on the field against anyone, they have great speed and great football fundementals.....i would love to say Sharyland was a top 25 team, but though they are a good RGV team, i cant rank them in the top teams of the State, Harlingen WILL make the RGV proud next season and do deserve their ranking by me anyway......i hope to GOD Sharyland has a good season too, that would really make my YEAR!!!! :) GOOOOOOO CARDINALLLLLLSSSSSSS...............AND GOOOOOO RRRAAAAAATTTLLLLEEEERRRRRRSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[mtbray]

I wish the Garland ISD schools would get in on this. I also wish Garland wasn't so big! Then perhaps the talent there could be a little more concentrated to make for a better representation of what kinda players we got there.

[NewSherriffInTown]

I like hearing that there are 7 teams that are state championship quality in Texas this year, my first in the state. Playoffs should be a barnburner...I can't wait for week 0...

[LP-79]

For what it is worth here is my top 10. :D
1. Longview as much as I hate to say it!
2. SLC
3. Abilene
4. Lufkin
5. Katy
6. Tyler Lee
7. Spring Westfield
8. Smithson Valley
9. Converse Judson
10. Euless Trinity

IMHO any of the teams on here could win State if they get on a roll at the right time.

[ktchamp97]

Dang, 3 Pack fans having Longview not only ahead of Lufkin, but #1? What's the world coming to? ;)

Are y'all just baiting the Lobos or what? :D

Really, you guys are putting out some good top 10's...very interesting stuff. There are a couple teams that are consistently listed that we don't currently have, and two that we do have aren't in any of the above Top 10's. I like it...keep 'em coming.

[RP-3]

1. Longview
2. SLC
3. Lufkin
4. Abilene High
5. Smithson Valley
6. Tyler Lee
7. Spring Westfield
8. Katy
9. Converse Judson
10.The Woodlands

I'd say Judson and SV are the teams most likely to knock out a top 4.

Favpack, I appreciate the love but I wouldn't rank Longview ahead of Lufkin until we can actually beat you guys. ;)

RGV, yes Longview will definitely be a top 5 school in 2005. Alot of weapons returning in the key positions. The starting QB, FB and RB were all Jr last year.

GO LOBOS

[odessapermian.com]

Fellers, I'm just going to do the smart thing. I'm gonna wait to see the Katy boys' list, and whoever they have predicted as the champ will be my prediction for champ. Lately that's been a can't-miss proposition. ;)

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

1.----TIE----Lufkin* & Longview (???) It depends on the scrimmage you know. That's gonna make game of the year for Texas don't you know. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
3. Smithson Valley*
4. SLC*
5. Katy
6. Westfield*
7. Abilene
8. Trinity
9. Midland Lee*
10. The Woodlands
11.---TIE----Converse Judson & Tyler Lee*


and for the distant future (wishing it would happen but never will) #1--John Tyler...LOL


*------will switch throughout the season.

[pack0808]

1. slc- nobody is more deserving
2. lufkin- scary loaded on defense, supposed superstar qb arriving
3. longview -excellent team and this could be the year they bring there 2nd championship home but i am sorry i cannot prerank a team lufkin has beat 9 times in a row ahead of the pack. some of you lufkin fans baffle me?? i heard this same talk the last couple of years by some of you by the way.
4. katy-always great
5. smithson valley-very impressed with them after last years finals
6. midland lee
7. judson
8. tyler lee
9. trinity
10.abilene
205. laredo united lol

[RedRage00]

1. slc- nobody is more deserving
2. lufkin- scary loaded on defense, supposed superstar qb arriving
3. longview -excellent team and this could be the year they bring there 2nd championship home but i am sorry i cannot prerank a team lufkin has beat 9 times in a row ahead of the pack. some of you lufkin fans baffle me?? i heard this same talk the last couple of years by some of you by the way.
4. katy-always great
5. smithson valley-very impressed with them after last years finals
6. midland lee
7. judson
8. tyler lee
9. trinity
10.abilene
205. laredo united lol

Laredo United at 205...that is just plain mean....and I think it was Laredo United South you are talking about :p

Texas Headliner, no offense, but Clemens at #5? I know rankings don't mean jack but I sure do hope yall prove it on the field....your district should be easy though...

dang, I can't wait for the season to start.....

[bullrock]

I'm surprised Judson is ranked in the top 10 by all posters so far. I'll reserve my judgement on that.

[c-lisle]

is longview really expected to be that good next season??????

How could we not be. We will have on of the best running games in the state, and a salty defense. Vondrell Mcgee will set records once again. And despite his four fumble playoff game against Lufkin, Chris Ivory our full back might be the best in the state.

[dragonsdaddy]

the best news for the rest of the state is that lp and lview will eliminate one or the other. if we had seeding like some states, they prolly wouldn't meet until a game or 2 later, after knocking out some of the pretenders from out of et.

[c-lisle]

Dang, 3 Pack fans having Longview not only ahead of Lufkin, but #1? What's the world coming to? ;)

Are y'all just baiting the Lobos or what? :D

Really, you guys are putting out some good top 10's...very interesting stuff. There are a couple teams that are consistently listed that we don't currently have, and two that we do have aren't in any of the above Top 10's. I like it...keep 'em coming.

The reason they are all putting Lview ahead of Lufkin is because they were probably at the playoff game. They saw how good Longview was, and most of that team is coming back. They also saw we turned the ball over 5 times and Longview was in the game until the end.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

The reason they are all putting Lview ahead of Lufkin is because they were probably at the playoff game. They saw how good Longview was, and most of that team is coming back. They also saw we turned the ball over 5 times and Longview was in the game until the end.
I think it may have been sarcasism??? I don't know. :rolleyes:

[wide-e-wide]

Gotta put Donna at #1...

[dragonsdaddy]

we now know who wide e actually is-dctf.

[natlib]

1. Southlake Carroll
2. Lufkin High
3. Smithson Valley
4. Euless Trinity
5. Katy High
6. Longview High
7. Spring Westfield
8. Tyler Lee
9. Denton Ryan
10. Converse Judson
11. Copperas Cove
12. The Woodlands
13. Abilene High
14. Midland Lee
15. Irving High
16. SA O'Connor
17. Victoria Memorial
18. San Angelo Central
19. Arlington Lamar
20. SA Churchill
21. Mansfield Summit
22. Schertz Clemens
23. Cedar Park
24. SA Madison
25. Klein Collins

[pack0808]

The reason they are all putting Lview ahead of Lufkin is because they were probably at the playoff game. They saw how good Longview was, and most of that team is coming back. They also saw we turned the ball over 5 times and Longview was in the game until the end.



isn't that football when 2 evenly teams meet 9 times out of 10 the teams that turns the ball over more loses?? turnovers are a huge part of the game last time i checked forced or not forced.


you are right ddaddy it is a shame longview and lufkin have to play that early in the playoffs.

[Hornified64]

Here's my 2005 Top 20...

With comments on the Top 10 of this grouping:


1. Southlake Carroll...Hey, they're STILL the KING...Dodge system reloads!!
2. Longview...Stealth Offensive Ground Attack returns...scary fast "D".
3. Spring Westfield...2004 unknown returns Quality Warriors...on both sides.
4. Katy...Trusty 'Ole standby simply reloads...again! What else is new??
5. Tyler Lee... D-1 Champs throw "better" HILL at QB & Crafty HC fools'em!
6. Lufkin...Outlaw has SPEED at his stead. A GREAT "D"...Who replaces Lane?
7. Smithson Valley...CREAM of San Antonio Area..will make run at Title game.
8. Euless Trinity... Smooth QB,Shifty RB,Veteran HC,Huge OL SPELL Winner!
9. Abilene...TOP 5A Gunslinger (imho) leads Eagles..MUST regroup on "D" !
10. Denton Ryan...Coach Florence ALWAYS has his Raiders up there...yearly!
11. Midland Lee
12. Plano West
13. Dallas Carter
14. Converse Judson
15. Copperas Cove
16. The Woodlands
17. Round Rock McNeil
18. Duncanville
19. Schertz Clemens
20. Galena Park North Shore

RJ

[NewSherriffInTown]

Finally a Round Rock McNeil entry into the top 20...I don't know squat yet obviously, but I certainly think the talent that they have coming back is top 20 caliber. I think McNeil, Pflugerville, and Leander will be good. I don't know if Cedar Park necessarily should be top 20. I think they will be 4th in that district after losing such a stud and possibly being a one year wonder...


(Notice the New Yorker trying to sound Texas educated.)

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

isn't that football when 2 evenly teams meet 9 times out of 10 the teams that turns the ball over more loses?? turnovers are a huge part of the game last time i checked forced or not forced.


you are right ddaddy it is a shame longview and lufkin have to play that early in the playoffs.
That is corect.

[dragonsdaddy]

there are those in new york that would call "texas educated" an oxymoron. glad to have you down in these parts sheriff.

[NewSherriffInTown]

LOL


No comment...

[gtowndrumma]

no love for any of the Garland schools? I hope kt and his crew have their rankings a little bit different from the rest of yalls.

[CCDawgs05]

Its funny as I read through the top 25 polls that everyone one has copperas cove at 11....i love it....finally some people give us some recognition...

[LHSLion11]

1.) Southlake Carroll...what else is new?!?!
2.) Longview
3.) Tyler Lee
4.) Lufkin
5.) Judson
6.) Smithson Valley
7.) Abilene
8.) Leander
9.) Katy
10.) Dallas Carter

Just my oppinion folks...Go Lions!

[wide-e-wide]

we now know who wide e actually is-dctf.

I was wondering who would catch that. Ol' Dave may have lost some credibility with that one...

[Bootsdaddy]

The reason they are all putting Lview ahead of Lufkin is because they were probably at the playoff game. They saw how good Longview was, and most of that team is coming back. They also saw we turned the ball over 5 times and Longview was in the game until the end.


I still think the Pack can beat the Lobos but we cant assume they will both be in the 3rd round. Longview returns starting backfield while Lufkin's O looks to be explosive as usual but inexperienced. I'll admit to be less informed about Longview's returning D. At end of last season I had Longview as early choice as Preseason #1 so im staying consistent. Should be a great season. Only 4 more months!

[Jtate862003]

1-Longview
2-SLC
3-Lufkin
4-Spring Westfield
5-Tyler Lee
6-Garland
7-SMithson Valley
8-Katy
9-Judson
10-Dallas Carter

[c-lisle]

I still think the Pack can beat the Lobos but we cant assume they will both be in the 3rd round. Longview returns starting backfield while Lufkin's O looks to be explosive as usual but inexperienced. I'll admit to be less informed about Longview's returning D. At end of last season I had Longview as early choice as Preseason #1 so im staying consistent. Should be a great season. Only 4 more months!


Longview will have a experienced and deep dline, two starters and depth returning at L-backer. The only question mark is who will fill in the gaps in the secondary. I am confident that the coaches will have no problem filling those positions though.

[RedRage00]

It seems like some people are just copying and pasting other people's Top 25 list and just moving some around lol

RR

[Xfballphenome05]

heck thats wat i did!

[FbFan]

Those are some good teams but you better watch out for Garland HS & Dallas Carter. Both teams are LOADED and I mean LOADED and the great thing is they play each other next season. WOW

[LeanderLions3033]

I'm not saying this because we are rivals, trust me i rooted for them all throughout the playoffs, but can we please take cedar park out of everybodys top 25. Everybody in the austin area that has ever played football knew they had a very solid 05 class full of talent. But certainly not the 06 class. Basically what im saying is, last year they had a team full of very talented seniors, and they wont have that same team anymore. Just my two cents, you can bash me by saying that your just rooting against your rival, but im not.

[LufkinSports#3]

I don't know every highschool in Texas so don't freak out if I miss any!!!!!

1. SLC
2. Lufkin(we really don't need Lane anymore now that we have like 3 recievers who can run and catch)
3. Tyler Lee
4. Longview
5. Abeline
6. Smithson Valley
7. North Shore(i can't believe how many of yall left them out of even the top 25)
8. Judson
9. Katy(I am not sure if they are still any good)
10. The Woodlands

Of course I will be biased of my school so don't freak out about that either

[YouKnowTha3T]

I think you will be suprised on how much you will miss lane...not so much of a need stand point..but lane was a huge gamebreaker...gameplans by opponents changed because of that one player..He was something special. Same thing with SLC and Luna...what a threat he was and he will be missed but they dont need him when all your receivers can run like the wind and you have a QB with a cannon.

1. SLC
2. Abilene
3. Longview
4. Lufkin
5. Judson
6. Katy
7. SV
8. Tyler Lee
9. Westfield
10. Carter

on a side note..i believe it is fairly humorous that everyone for the most part has SLC number one EXCEPT for those few choice folks from Lufkin and down in the valley of smithson...I dont know what its going to take to convince these guys...

[pack0808]

i have slc at #1 and i said nobody is more deserving. you need some type of running game if you want to be a successful passing team and i think the panthers rb's are more then capable.

[Bootsdaddy]

I have the Dragons at #2 behind Longview-not exactly disrespectful of Carroll. I think we all know what kind of team and program SLC has but #1 ranking and a state championshp aren't the Dragon's birthright. BTW, I had Lufkin at #5.

[pack4life]

I think you will be suprised on how much you will miss lane...not so much of a need stand point..but lane was a huge gamebreaker...gameplans by opponents changed because of that one player..He was something special. Same thing with SLC and Luna...what a threat he was and he will be missed but they dont need him when all your receivers can run like the wind and you have a QB with a cannon.

1. SLC
2. Abilene
3. Longview
4. Lufkin
5. Judson
6. Katy
7. SV
8. Tyler Lee
9. Westfield
10. Carter

on a side note..i believe it is fairly humorous that everyone for the most part has SLC number one EXCEPT for those few choice folks from Lufkin and down in the valley of smithson...I dont know what its going to take to convince these guys...


You dont think southlake needed Luna? Luna was the X factor in that team, he picked up the key block when needed, he made that key reception when it was needed, and, oh yeah, he could run too. He will be missed, just like we will miss Lane... if you dont think you guys needed luna you are in for a big suprise..

[LP-79]

I picked Longview to go all the way this year after Lufkin beat them last year. I am sticking with that prediction. I still am going to root for Lufkin, and if they meet in the playoffs, I hope Lufkin forces 5 fumbles again!

[PackAttack2005]

You guys from Lufkin sure are giving Longview lots of props.. Yes, I agree they are a top five team and they have Vondrell McGee and Chris Ivory that make up one of the best running tandems in the state. The difference again will be coaching, before Coach King was promoted to HC, he was their OC and he still calls the plays. He hasn't changed much in his philosophy and that is the reason Longview will not get the prize they want, plus they don't have big #4 Malcom Kelly at WR any longer to keep the defenses honest. I am not trying to disrespect the Lobos team, I think they lack the coaching in the big games.

Now, where does Lufkin fit in here?, I don't really know. They will have a very strong experienced defense back this year and a very talented young offense loaded with potential talent, they are a top 10 team for sure, somewhere between #4 and #9 depends on how the young offense developes.

Here are my pre-season picks, they are all subject to change by September.

1. SLC
2. Smithson Valley
3. Katy
4. Lufkin
5. Longview
6. Tyler Lee
7. Spring Westfield
8. Euless Trinity
9. Abilene
10.TIE - GP Northshore, Garland, Midland Lee, Converse Judson, South Garland and The Woodlands :confused:

[CoppellCowboy57]

1. The Green Ppl (AKA Southlake)
2. Denton Ryan
3. Smithson Valley
4. Lufkin High
5. Abilene High
6. Katy High
7. Longview High
8. Spring Westfield
9. Tyler Lee
10. Euless Trinity
11. Converse Judson
12. Copperas Cove
13. Midland Lee
14. Coppell
15. The Woodlands
16. Irving High
17. SA O'Connor
18. Victoria Memorial
19. Duncanville
20. Dallas Jesuit

[dragonfootballfan]

1. The Green Ppl (AKA Southlake)
2. Denton Ryan

can you explain your choice of Denton Ryan at number 2. they are returning only 6 starters and lose their quarterback and top two defenders.

[pack0808]

I picked Longview to go all the way this year after Lufkin beat them last year. I am sticking with that prediction. I still am going to root for Lufkin, and if they meet in the playoffs, I hope Lufkin forces 5 fumbles again!



well i am glad you will still be rooting for lufkin lp79!! i would not bet against lufkin and coach outlaw in any game but that is just me.

[badger95]

Not one mention of perrenial playoff power Austin Westlake? I got a pretty good feeling they will be back to their old ways now that they have gotten their feet wet in Region II. I know that they didn't show well vs. this region last year but, their Sr. class is very good with TE's William Ball and Kyle Adams getting many D1 offers this spring, and Soph. Nick Foles has been touted as one of the top Jr. QB's in the country for next year.

Don't say I didn't tell you.

[pack0808]

westlake is always tough i just do not know if they are top 10 material this year.

[ktchamp97]

Badger95,

Welcome! Westlake always puts out quality teams and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they did much better this year.

[ALLIN]

I have the Dragons at #2 behind Longview-not exactly disrespectful of Carroll. I think we all know what kind of team and program SLC has but #1 ranking and a state championshp aren't the Dragon's birthright. BTW, I had Lufkin at #5.

No, it is not their birthright, but 47-1 over three seasons and 3 title games and 2 trophies says alot. I am anxious to see how this site ranks everyone. Good luck to all and see you in a few months :) :) :)

[c-lisle]

You guys from Lufkin sure are giving Longview lots of props.. Yes, I agree they are a top five team and they have Vondrell McGee and Chris Ivory that make up one of the best running tandems in the state. The difference again will be coaching, before Coach King was promoted to HC, he was their OC and he still calls the plays. He hasn't changed much in his philosophy and that is the reason Longview will not get the prize they want, plus they don't have big #4 Malcom Kelly at WR any longer to keep the defenses honest. I am not trying to disrespect the Lobos team, I think they lack the coaching in the big games.

Now, where does Lufkin fit in here?, I don't really know. They will have a very strong experienced defense back this year and a very talented young offense loaded with potential talent, they are a top 10 team for sure, somewhere between #4 and #9 depends on how the young offense developes.

Here are my pre-season picks, they are all subject to change by September.

1. SLC
2. Smithson Valley
3. Katy
4. Lufkin
5. Longview
6. Tyler Lee
7. Spring Westfield
8. Euless Trinity
9. Abilene
10.TIE - GP Northshore, Garland, Midland Lee, Converse Judson, South Garland and The Woodlands :confused:


Longview doesn't have Kelly. Instead they have a 6'6'' 200 lb tight end who has speed. They also have a talented receiver coming up from the JV. With or without a good pass game, Longview's running game will be dominant.

[badger95]

Badger95,

Welcome! Westlake always puts out quality teams and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they did much better this year.

Pre, pre season top ten would be

1.Katy
2.Southlake Carroll
3.Longview
4. Lufkin
5. Midland Lee
6. Spring Westfield
7. Westlake
8. Smithson Valley
9. O'Connor
10. Judson

[CoppellCowboy57]

can you explain your choice of Denton Ryan at number 2. they are returning only 6 starters and lose their quarterback and top two defenders.


Denton Ryan is a team that can re-load

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Denton Ryan is a team that can re-load
That's correct sir.

[drgnbkr]

You dont think southlake needed Luna? Luna was the X factor in that team, he picked up the key block when needed, he made that key reception when it was needed, and, oh yeah, he could run too. He will be missed, just like we will miss Lane... if you dont think you guys needed luna you are in for a big suprise..

Nobody in Southlake is assuming there is another Luna out there...the key to the Dragons season will be whether or not they can find a running back who can approach the all-around contribution that Luna brought for three years...Tre Newton? We'll see, but can he take on a Lufkin defender at the 5 yard line and drive him through the end-zone? We sure hope so....Will somebody find the open seam on the screen & take it 4o yards? Will the new guy get 7 pancake blocks in a game protecting McElroy? If he comes close, Carroll will be tough to deal with again...

[pack4life]

I think you will be suprised on how much you will miss lane...not so much of a need stand point..but lane was a huge gamebreaker...gameplans by opponents changed because of that one player..He was something special. Same thing with SLC and Luna...what a threat he was and he will be missed but they dont need him when all your receivers can run like the wind and you have a QB with a cannon.

1. SLC
2. Abilene
3. Longview
4. Lufkin
5. Judson
6. Katy
7. SV
8. Tyler Lee
9. Westfield
10. Carter

on a side note..i believe it is fairly humorous that everyone for the most part has SLC number one EXCEPT for those few choice folks from Lufkin and down in the valley of smithson...I dont know what its going to take to convince these guys...


that is the guy that i was referring to, he thinks you guys won't miss him too much.

[Shoot2thrill]

Nobody in Southlake is assuming there is another Luna out there...the key to the Dragons season will be whether or not they can find a running back who can approach the all-around contribution that Luna brought for three years...Tre Newton? We'll see, but can he take on a Lufkin defender at the 5 yard line and drive him through the end-zone? We sure hope so....Will somebody find the open seam on the screen & take it 4o yards? Will the new guy get 7 pancake blocks in a game protecting McElroy? If he comes close, Carroll will be tough to deal with again...

As an "old timer" of Texas high school football, I can tell you that backs of Luna's caliber are few are very far between. As you know, he was special. Absolutely one of the best blocking backs I have ever seen at the high school level. I am betting SLC won't see the likes of him for a while. :cool:

[LeanderLions3033]

Let Westlake beat a power house North Austin team before you can put them back in the top 20 let alone the top 10. Not saying we should be up there but come on... Westlake against North Austin (aka 15-5a teams) as of last year

VS Leander L 24-19
VS Westwood W 20-17 (keep in mind people, westwood and Leander didnt even make the playoffs in 15-5a)
VS Pflugerville L 30-3 (Pville was the 2nd place team in our district)


Im not trying to be a Westlake hater, but i really think Westlakes success would be a different story in our district. They wouldnt know they've won district before they even step foot in the game zero week, they would be fighting for their lives with Pflugerville, Leander, RR McNeil, Cedar Park, and Westwood year in and year out. Am i bitter of Westlakes success, of course i am. But i honestly think that it would be a little bit of a different story if you weren't in the weak South Austin district.

[drgnbkr]

As an "old timer" of Texas high school football, I can tell you that backs of Luna's caliber are few are very far between. As you know, he was special. Absolutely one of the best blocking backs I have ever seen at the high school level. I am betting SLC won't see the likes of him for a while. :cool:

Luna update: He hit a walk-off 3 run homer in the bottom of the 7th last night to beat the #2 team in the State, Flower Mound, 5-3 in game 1 of the series.

[ALLIN]

I respect an "old timers" opinion, but do not be so sure. They are growing them a little different these days and SLC reloads.

[pack0808]

Nobody in Southlake is assuming there is another Luna out there...the key to the Dragons season will be whether or not they can find a running back who can approach the all-around contribution that Luna brought for three years...Tre Newton? We'll see, but can he take on a Lufkin defender at the 5 yard line and drive him through the end-zone? We sure hope so....Will somebody find the open seam on the screen & take it 4o yards? Will the new guy get 7 pancake blocks in a game protecting McElroy? If he comes close, Carroll will be tough to deal with again...


that was against our weak tackling cb in ashford ayers when he did that. it was great looking and luna is a very powerful runner but trust me that was not a big accomplishment.

[wide-e-wide]

Running over a guy who the year before was a QB.
Pack0808...that is precisely what I was thinking.

[PACK '97]

I personally liked the hit from Lufkin on the SLC punt returner that caused the fumble in the first quarter on the punt. After that hit, I think they called a fair catch every time. The replay's were the best.

[badger95]

Let Westlake beat a power house North Austin team before you can put them back in the top 20 let alone the top 10. Not saying we should be up there but come on... Westlake against North Austin (aka 15-5a teams) as of last year

VS Leander L 24-19
VS Westwood W 20-17 (keep in mind people, westwood and Leander didnt even make the playoffs in 15-5a)
VS Pflugerville L 30-3 (Pville was the 2nd place team in our district)


Im not trying to be a Westlake hater, but i really think Westlakes success would be a different story in our district. They wouldnt know they've won district before they even step foot in the game zero week, they would be fighting for their lives with Pflugerville, Leander, RR McNeil, Cedar Park, and Westwood year in and year out. Am i bitter of Westlakes success, of course i am. But i honestly think that it would be a little bit of a different story if you weren't in the weak South Austin district.

You are correct. Westlake did not fair well against that district last year. My feeling is however that they will this year. Leander will once again be a tough game, but when you take away the three huge turnovers from last year's game, the Chaps might have run away with that one. The difference in this year's Westlake team will be like night and day from last year's. They will have many of the same components that they had in '00 & '01 when they played in the finals.

Who's going to play QB at Leander? Dunn or Gurinsky?

[Chief Wahoo]

I respect an "old timers" opinion, but do not be so sure. They are growing them a little different these days and SLC reloads.

I heard that one before.. ;)

[LeanderLions3033]

Who's going to play QB at Leander? Dunn or Gurinsky?

Thats a very good question and we are in the works with that right now. And you can add another name into the mix to the qb controversy at Leander. His name is Josh McKinnley. He started at free saftey last year for us as a sophomore, but is getting alot of reps at qb this year and looks like either the #1 or #2 as of right now. Curenski (not Gurinsky lol) i think will be used mostly as a situational qb, KR, and should start at one of the wr positions. He kinda plays the role of Tedd Ginn on our team, he's labled as a qb/wr, but hes really our mr everything, and is the fastest player on our team. And then again, Drew Dunn was 2nd team all district behind Korey Washington (the infamous Cedar Park qb that was voted our district mvp), and you can't really argue with that. Plus Drew will be a sr and Josh will be a Junior next year. But then when you look at the attributes
Drew 5'10" 170 4.8 (is very accurate with his passes, and was 2nd in the district in passing yards)
Josh 6'3" 195 4.5 (Can run, and has a cannon, he'll get his shot)

I really think you will see rotated quarterbacks next year, but thats just what im thinking. I'm really looking forward to the game against you guys on our home field.

[drgnbkr]

that was against our weak tackling cb in ashford ayers when he did that. it was great looking and luna is a very powerful runner but trust me that was not a big accomplishment.

It was worth it to hear our entire stands chanting Luna, Luna,Luna!

[NewSherriffInTown]

Thats a very good question and we are in the works with that right now. And you can add another name into the mix to the qb controversy at Leander. His name is Josh McKinnley. He started at free saftey last year for us as a sophomore, but is getting alot of reps at qb this year and looks like either the #1 or #2 as of right now. Curenski (not Gurinsky lol) i think will be used mostly as a situational qb, KR, and should start at one of the wr positions. He kinda plays the role of Tedd Ginn on our team, he's labled as a qb/wr, but hes really our mr everything, and is the fastest player on our team. And then again, Drew Dunn was 2nd team all district behind Korey Washington (the infamous Cedar Park qb that was voted our district mvp), and you can't really argue with that. Plus Drew will be a sr and Josh will be a Junior next year. But then when you look at the attributes
Drew 5'10" 170 4.8 (is very accurate with his passes, and was 2nd in the district in passing yards)
Josh 6'3" 195 4.5 (Can run, and has a cannon, he'll get his shot)

I really think you will see rotated quarterbacks next year, but thats just what im thinking. I'm really looking forward to the game against you guys on our home field.


Hey,

I'll be in Leander by Tuesday morning. Are they having spring practice?? If so, when is the spring game?? I'll be living in the houses RIGHT next to the school.

I cant wait for Texas football.

[lonny23]

Laredo Nixon
Copperas Cove
Pflugerville
Reagan
Madison
Lee
MacArthur
Roosevelt
Smithson Valley
Churchill

At least that's the top 10 teams likely to not go undefeated! :D

[lufkin_82]

Correct..... are you really that dumb?

[Texas Hammer]

are you really that dumb?
Maybe he is since he roots for Clemens! :D
Calling all cars, calling all cars, we have an APB out for Texas Headliner. He was last seen on the northwest side of San Antonio. He took his toys and went home! ;)

[relraiderfan]

1) SLC- The streak has to end sometime, but until it does...
2) Euless Trinity- lots of experience coming back, with a veteran HC
3) Lufkin- great defense, veteran HC, tons of pure talent
4) Galena Park North Shore- wasnt last year supposed to be a rebuilding year?
5) Tyler Lee- Finally broke through, lots of talent and a great HC
6) Spring Westfield- tons of talent coming back from state finalist team
7) Longview- great backfield, talent all over the field
8) Smithson Valley- great defense, with an improved offense, state finalist
9) Midland Lee- great HC, talented backfield, improved defense
10) Converse Judson- great tradition, always talented

[CCDawgs05]

Laredo Nixon
Copperas Cove
Pflugerville
Reagan
Madison
Lee
MacArthur
Roosevelt
Smithson Valley
Churchill

At least that's the top 10 teams likely to not go undefeated! :D

Dang you are funny!!!!!!!! :D ......yall had yall's turn in your house....now ur coming to the dawgpound.....it'll be fun......

[lonny23]

1) SLC- The streak has to end sometime, but until it does...
2) Euless Trinity- lots of experience coming back, with a veteran HC
3) Lufkin- great defense, veteran HC, tons of pure talent
4) Galena Park North Shore- wasnt last year supposed to be a rebuilding year?
5) Tyler Lee- Finally broke through, lots of talent and a great HC
6) Spring Westfield- tons of talent coming back from state finalist team
7) Longview- great backfield, talent all over the field
8) Smithson Valley- great defense, with an improved offense, state finalist
9) Midland Lee- great HC, talented backfield, improved defense
10) Converse Judson- great tradition, always talented
That's not a bad list. I really don't know right now and that's why I haven't given my opinion.

[Lufkin_Class_Of_08]

My Top 10

1. SLC
2. Lufkin
3. Tyler Lee
4. Longview
5. Spring Westfield
6. Smithson Valley
7. Katy
8. North Shore
9. Converse Judson
10. Woodlands

Dark Horse for the top 10...Klein Collins

[LP-79]

I had SLC high on my list. However after reading everybody else's post's on their teams, I am changing it and putting them at about the bottom of the list! Right above Laredo south! :eek: Just making a joke here!

[svhorns]

Im surprised SV is getting mentioned. They usually come up at the end and bring their best ball. Its actually kind of weird that everyone has SV so high.

1.SLC
2.Longview
3.Lufkin
4.Spring Westfield
5.Smithson Valley
6.Euless Trinity
7.Katy
8.North Shore
9.The Woodlands
10.Converse Judson

[Texas Hammer]

Im surprised SV is getting mentioned. They usually come up at the end and bring their best ball. Its actually kind of weird that everyone has SV so high.

1.SLC
2.Longview
3.Lufkin
4.Spring Westfield
5.Smithson Valley
6.Euless Trinity
7.Katy
8.North Shore
9.The Woodlands
10.Converse Judson
SV is listed high because they have a fair amount of starters returning and I feel the state populace now takes them seriously. You have 3 title game appearances in the last 4 years and almost beat the national champs.

[eagleike]

The mustangs had a great run in 2004 and do have Beasley and Sweeney back but the defense and the offensive line are going to be very suspect.

They deserve some mention for the top 25 but not the top 5 as some are predicting.

Also, the Woodlands are riding their reputation from 2 years ago. Good receiver and kick returner but not much else.

No real clear cut power but:

1. SLC- Still loaded with talent but the qb will have to show something other than just passing. Without the running ability that the dragons had at qb over the last 3 years the offense will definitely be less effective.

The rest in no order as of yet:

Euless Trinity
Garland
Lufkin
Longview
Tyler Lee
North Shore
Katy
Converse Judson
Midland Lee

Oh yea.............Ike will be loaded with talent, 2 years with the new system and real dark horse!!

[pack4life]

I think The Woodlands will suprise some people this year. If they quarterback that was on JV last year starts on Varsity this year, he will move his way into the spotlight. Brett Parsons, remember that name, that kid IMO will be good this year. The O line will also be pretty good.

[eagleike]

I agree the Woodlands will be pretty good, just not top 10 material.

[Texas Hammer]

I agree the Woodlands will be pretty good, just not top 10 material.
They might be quarterfinal material again this year.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Just saw on another site where a couple of people have MHS in the top 25. Nice compliment but I think we have to wait until after the LP game to see.

[RocketQB]

I'm surprised Judson is ranked in the top 10 by all posters so far. I'll reserve my judgement on that.


Why is that surprising?? They had an excellent team last season and have many players returning this coming season.

[Texas Hammer]

Why is that surprising?? They had an excellent team last season and have many players returning this coming season.
Even I don't know and I'm the biggest Judson homer there is!