Marcus King commits to UNT!!!

[howmanyhawgs]

Looks like ET's top receiver Marcus king (6'3, 205) has commited to play under dodge and the spread:D what a sight

[Sakatha]

Meltdown post about too much SLC/TD/UNT in...

3...

2...

1...

~DnM

[WestlandTiger'95]

Look out for UNT in about two years....they will be one to wrecken with. I know that Mike Fuda from Katy is intersted in catchin some Dodgeballs in denton for the next 4 years.

[drgnbkr]

It's amazing how we all praise the quality of Texas High school football, and when Coach Dodge goes after and gets some of the top Texas talent, people want to bag on UNT. The price you pay to be the best!

[bigdaddydog]

Look out for UNT in about two years....they will be one to wrecken with. I know that Mike Fuda from Katy is intersted in catchin some Dodgeballs in denton for the next 4 years.

I don't know what drgnbkr is smokin:) , but I don't hear no baggin and I don't think it's gonna be anywhere near two years! :D.

Maybe two years before UNT looks to go to a D1 program...


~

[Sakatha]

I don't know what drgnbkr is smokin:) , but I don't hear no baggin and I don't think it's gonna be anywhere near two years! :D.

Maybe two years before UNT looks to go to a D1 program...


~

Okay, so the 3,2,1 wasn't acted on as fast as I thought. Perhaps some people who generally trash this sort of post aren't lurking, at the moment..

But trust me, it's comin...

~DnM

p.s. Not sure if you were being sarcastic or not, but you *do* know UNT is Div 1, right?

[zippy]

I dont think its people bashing on either Dodge or UNT. What it is is the face that its UNT. How many times did we talk about UNT on this site prior to this? They have yet to play one game and everyone thinks they are going to be the top D1 school in Texas. Its not like they have not had great talent there in the past, they have. I highly doubt Dodge or anyone else for that matter would ever turn UNT into a top D1 school in Texas. I honestly doubt they will ever be an better than they have been. One thing is for sure, they will get a lot more fans I guess just from the Southlake area. Prior to this there were probably 3. Now I suppose there will be an entires small city added. (until they lose a game that is). This is the case to prove that its the system at SLC that wins games. SLC will continue to win with a new coach, and UNT will continue to be average with Dodge. I know some past UNT players, and they are a little different in attitude than what Dodge is used to.. He better try real hard to just move the SLC teams over there, otherwise he will have trouble with players just like every other college coach does. It gets a little more diverse in all areas. So... Nobody is bashing Texas football. I think they are sick of seeing UNT this and UNT that because of a coach. Its still UNT...

[Sakatha]

I dont think its people bashing on either Dodge or UNT. What it is is the face that its UNT. How many times did we talk about UNT on this site prior to this? They have yet to play one game and everyone thinks they are going to be the top D1 school in Texas. Its not like they have not had great talent there in the past, they have. I highly doubt Dodge or anyone else for that matter would ever turn UNT into a top D1 school in Texas. I honestly doubt they will ever be an better than they have been. One thing is for sure, they will get a lot more fans I guess just from the Southlake area. Prior to this there were probably 3. Now I suppose there will be an entires small city added. (until they lose a game that is). This is the case to prove that its the system at SLC that wins games. SLC will continue to win with a new coach, and UNT will continue to be average with Dodge. I know some past UNT players, and they are a little different in attitude than what Dodge is used to.. He better try real hard to just move the SLC teams over there, otherwise he will have trouble with players just like every other college coach does. It gets a little more diverse in all areas. So... Nobody is bashing Texas football. I think they are sick of seeing UNT this and UNT that because of a coach. Its still UNT...

Find ONE POST that says UNT will be better than A&M and UT... Just one...

~dnM

[drgnbkr]

Zippy, do you honestly think that people aren't going to talk about a coach who has taken a team to 5 straight 5-A title games, then moves straight to a College Head Coaching position? No one has said much about NT's potential record..almost all are talking about the Texas Kids he's recruiting and getting commits out of...

[WestlandTiger'95]

hey ZIP, dont kid yourself. Kids go to a school because of the coach about 60% of the time. Who the coach is is a HUGE part of recruiting. UNT is still UNT but they will get better recruits than they have in the past just because HIGH SCHOOL players know what Dodge can do and they are the ones that go on to play college ball. They will have a hard time competeing with big conferences but UNT will get their share of kids who the bigs schools are interested in.

[Maxthedog]

Skippy Quote "UNT will continue to be average with Dodge. I know some past UNT players, and they are a little different in attitude than what Dodge is used to.. He better try real hard to just move the SLC teams over there, otherwise he will have trouble with players just like every other college coach does. It gets a little more diverse in all areas."

A:"UNT will continue to be average with Dodge- This will be answered next year. A eye popping improvement,,not likely. A large improvement, I will say Yes.

A: I know some past UNT players, and they are a little different in attitude than what Dodge is used to..Key words here,,,"Past UNT players"
Look at the kids Dodge is recruiting(from all sorts of schools, diverse sorts) are players that will work in the system he is going to install at UNT.

A:He better try real hard to just move the SLC teams over there, otherwise he will have trouble with players just like every other college coach does. It gets a little more diverse in all areas."
He is and will do just that sort of thing. He has had kids come in for a visit, that here-to-fore, would not have even looked at UNT.
He will get kids that play 100% the way the coach's want them to.

Bottom line to this entire discussion "Winning solves all problems"
If UNT starts winning Sun Belt Conferences, gives the big dogs, on their schedule all they can handle,,,,look for more all state type of kids,,,giving UNT a once over(visit). If UNT does what I think they will do(even next year), more will go to Denton to see what it is all about.

2 years from this upcomming season,,,the A&M's, Okla St's of the world, might consider UNT a 'trap' game. That would be awesome!!!!

[drgnbkr]

Skippy Quote "UNT will continue to be average with Dodge. I know some past UNT players, and they are a little different in attitude than what Dodge is used to.. He better try real hard to just move the SLC teams over there, otherwise he will have trouble with players just like every other college coach does. It gets a little more diverse in all areas."

A:"UNT will continue to be average with Dodge- This will be answered next year. A eye popping improvement,,not likely. A large improvement, I will say Yes.

A: I know some past UNT players, and they are a little different in attitude than what Dodge is used to..Key words here,,,"Past UNT players"
Look at the kids Dodge is recruiting(from all sorts of schools, diverse sorts) are players that will work in the system he is going to install at UNT.

A:He better try real hard to just move the SLC teams over there, otherwise he will have trouble with players just like every other college coach does. It gets a little more diverse in all areas."
He is and will do just that sort of thing. He has had kids come in for a visit, that here-to-fore, would not have even looked at UNT.
He will get kids that play 100% the way the coach's want them to.

Bottom line to this entire discussion "Winning solves all problems"
If UNT starts winning Sun Belt Conferences, gives the big dogs, on their schedule all they can handle,,,,look for more all state type of kids,,,giving UNT a once over(visit). If UNT does what I think they will do(even next year), more will go to Denton to see what it is all about.

2 years from this upcomming season,,,the A&M's, Okla St's of the world, might consider UNT a 'trap' game. That would be awesome!!!!

I would add that anyone who knows Coach Mendoza, knows that an attitude is not welcome around him...Only if it's a "bust your ***, hard nosed, better be winning", attitude will he accept it.

[CCHS77]

Maybe two years before UNT looks to go to a D1 program...
~

Come on, bdd. Answer Sakatha's question.

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Gazelle]

Zippy,
I'm going to disagree with you about the "a coach won't make a difference" attitude.
I was at NTSU when Hayden Fry was hired after getting fired from SMU. With in a year, he beat SMU. The next year, Houston went down and NTSU had a winning season. Hayden cantinued to provide energy, get players and motivate the students while he was there. So much so that the TCU's and U of H's would not schedule him anymore. In the days of only 10-12 bowls, NTSU never got a bid, eventhough they had the record. ALL BECAUSE OF FRY. He wound up leaving, in some part, because he just would not get the respect to get NTSU to a bowl. That will not happen now, with the 25+ bowls and only 80 scholarships. (I forgot, Fry had to deal with the big boys having nearly unlimited scholarship money to get guys that would never play FOR them, but they wouldn't play AGAINST them either)
This area (N. Texas) needs big time college football more than the 2 times a year we get UT-OU and the Cotton Bowl!!!!!!

[TrinityProud]

Congratulations to Marcus King, and congratulations to UNT and Todd Dodge for "landing" him. Marcus is an incredibly talented young man. I can't wait to cheer him on at UNT!!!

[bigdaddydog]

Come on, bdd. Answer Sakatha's question.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Ahhhh, I made it home from work, ate some dinner, set the boy up at the video game console. Free time again.

Remember the movie Pee Wee's Big Adventure, the scene where he's riding his bike, hits the curb, does a flip and lands in from of some kids?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht97CyzU9Qk

Yeah, I was being sarcastic, yeah, that's it. I meant to do that! :D

Hmmm. Sun Belt conference. I guess the only distinction between the level of play in the various Div 1 conferences is needing to get a BCS bowl bid by invitation (even if the win their conference).

Time for a cold one, Cheers!


~

[Crank_It]

the slc/td/unt threads are beginning to nauseate me, i think i'll hang out in the NFL forums for awhile.

[zippy]

the slc/td/unt threads are beginning to nauseate me, i think i'll hang out in the NFL forums for awhile.

X2, just wait until they announce the new coach... It will double.

[drgnbkr]

the slc/td/unt threads are beginning to nauseate me, i think i'll hang out in the NFL forums for awhile.

Sorry your sick bud...what ever it is that's bothering you..stay away from it...you know?

[FeeltheHaka]

Man, I've been waiting for someone to post this! I thought about posting it myself a couple of days ago, but I wanted someone who is closer to Marcus to announce it. Congratulations to Marcus! This is one nice kid. In my opinion, he has some pro instincts. Had he played on a team that passes more than us, then there would be several threads about him here from week to week during the season. I think Marcus is capable of a bigger school, but I think UNT is a good fit for him. This is yet another reason for me to watch multiple UNT games next season. The excitement is building up!

[TXFOOSBALL]

Todd Dodge has done a great job recruiting...and most importantly making DFW fans of UNT. This will help him a lot when recruiting next year.

[my3sons]

Marcus King and his mother couldn't wait to commit to TD. They were just full of enthusiasm and the thought of Marcus catching 7-10 passes a game was exciting. Trinity and SLC players coming together and knowing what it takes to win. Pretty awesome combination. I understand 1 or 2 more Trinity players are considering UNT.

[jakerz]

Marcus King is a freak on the field. NT needs to take a look at the safety from Trinity...that white guy. He's good

[my3sons]

Marcus King is a freak on the field. NT needs to take a look at the safety from Trinity...that white guy. He's good

That narrows it down.:D

[WestlandTiger'95]

if a coach doesnt make that big of a difference in college ball, how do you explain what Pete Carroll has done at USC, Charlie White at ND, Urban Meyer and the list goes on and on. I know these are big programs but the point is that coaching made huge differences at these programs.

[TXFOOSBALL]

if a coach doesnt make that big of a difference in college ball, how do you explain what Pete Carroll has done at USC, Charlie White at ND, Urban Meyer and the list goes on and on. I know these are big programs but the point is that coaching made huge differences at these programs.

Weis?

[c-lisle]

I dont think its people bashing on either Dodge or UNT. What it is is the face that its UNT. How many times did we talk about UNT on this site prior to this? They have yet to play one game and everyone thinks they are going to be the top D1 school in Texas. Its not like they have not had great talent there in the past, they have. I highly doubt Dodge or anyone else for that matter would ever turn UNT into a top D1 school in Texas. I honestly doubt they will ever be an better than they have been. One thing is for sure, they will get a lot more fans I guess just from the Southlake area. Prior to this there were probably 3. Now I suppose there will be an entires small city added. (until they lose a game that is). This is the case to prove that its the system at SLC that wins games. SLC will continue to win with a new coach, and UNT will continue to be average with Dodge. I know some past UNT players, and they are a little different in attitude than what Dodge is used to.. He better try real hard to just move the SLC teams over there, otherwise he will have trouble with players just like every other college coach does. It gets a little more diverse in all areas. So... Nobody is bashing Texas football. I think they are sick of seeing UNT this and UNT that because of a coach. Its still UNT...


so are you saying you dont think dodge will make the team better? how can they ont get better. If Dodge has the success at UNT he had at SLC they will be a much better team. Better Talent, BEtter Coaching, how could they not be better.

[zippy]

so are you saying you dont think dodge will make the team better? how can they ont get better. If Dodge has the success at UNT he had at SLC they will be a much better team. Better Talent, BEtter Coaching, how could they not be better.

Like I said, SLC has a "system" and just about anyone will do good there. Its a huge advantage to learn varsity basics in pop warner football. Coaching school for the pop warner coaches??? Compare that to a group of kids that have never worked as a unit. When they do, they might have a max of 2-3 years as that unit then they are gone. How do I come to this conclusion? I look at what he did outside of SLC. If you do the same, you will see. He had several chances to do well, and lost a lot more than he won. UNT will never have the system that SLC has. There is not enough time to create it. Yea, they might get a little better, but there is way too much hype about it. IT STILL UNT. Bottom line, the players he is getting are not much different than what they have got in the past. They have had some great players that were just a little short of one factor or another in getting into a BIG D1 school. I expect them to do about like they have in the past. Maybe a tad better but not much. Just my opinion. OK bring it on all you "recent/new" UNT fans.

[Sakatha]

You can't compare HS programs to College... Just too many differences and variables.

~DnM

[zippy]

if a coach doesnt make that big of a difference in college ball, how do you explain what Pete Carroll has done at USC, Charlie White at ND, Urban Meyer and the list goes on and on. I know these are big programs but the point is that coaching made huge differences at these programs.

Just looking at that list, who would not want to attend USC? Notre Dame? Florida schools? A lot of that is due to location. California, Florida, NOTRE DAME (RUDY/Tradition). Oh yea, and who is Charlie White? Anyway, I agree a coach can bring in more talent just based on a name. However. Todd Dodge outside of Texas is just a name. People in Africa probably know who Charlie Weis, Joe Pat, Pete Carroll, etc. are. If you do not think so, who is the head coach at De La Sal, Hoover (even has a show about them and I still do not know), or any other big time high school program? Yea, there are some that have won many more state titles than SLC/Dodge. Bottom line, it does make a difference, and he might get a lot of Texas talent (which might be ok. I would like that), but outside of the state, he is just a new college coach right now. Trust me, I would like nothing more than to see them load up with Texas guys and kick the crap out of everyone. I am just down to earth about the whole deal and have not jumped on the wagon yet.

[zippy]

You can't compare HS programs to College... Just too many differences and variables.

~DnM

Dont know if you planned it, but that is 100% what I am trying to say.

[Sakatha]

Dont know if you planned it, but that is 100% what I am trying to say.

Well, things that TD brings to the table will almost certainly help in building a program... I would love to see him succeed, and I think he will...

Many SLC posters have been quick to point out that TD's success in Southlake isn't JUST because he's a great coach. ;)

~DnM

[zippy]

Well, things that TD brings to the table will almost certainly help in building a program... I would love to see him succeed, and I think he will...

Many SLC posters have been quick to point out that TD's success in Southlake isn't JUST because he's a great coach. ;)

~DnM

Agreed. I too would like to see them do well. Hopefully he can fill a team with mostly Texas starters. If he does do well at UNT and moves on to a larger D1 school, that is when you will see the name start to bring in some top talent from out of state.

[toddg]

Well, things that TD brings to the table will almost certainly help in building a program... I would love to see him succeed, and I think he will...

Many SLC posters have been quick to point out that TD's success in Southlake isn't JUST because he's a great coach. ;)

~DnM

it can also be pointed out that tom rapps lack of success in southlake wasnt JUST because he was an average coach.

[toddg]

Agreed. I too would like to see them do well. Hopefully he can fill a team with mostly Texas starters. If he does do well at UNT and moves on to a larger D1 school, that is when you will see the name start to bring in some top talent from out of state.

which is his most likely ambition..after all.

[Sakatha]

it can also be pointed out that tom rapps lack of success in southlake wasnt JUST because he was an average coach.

Well, he wasn't exactly a perenial loser... It was just a different definition of 'success'..

~DnM

[toddg]

Well, he wasn't exactly a perenial loser... It was just a different definition of 'success'..

~DnM

agreed, but missing the playoffs 2 out the 4 years he coached there, coupled with the fact that those were the only 2 years southlake missed the playoffs in the last 20 years..would define his tenure as failed by southlake standards, though his overall record was 30.5-16.5 while at the helm.

[TrinityProud]

My very favorite photo of Marcus was his famous one-handed catch during the state semi-final game last year. He caught the pass with his left hand while fighting off a very determined Consol Tiger with his right hand. Does anyone have a copy of that photo?

[TrinityProud]

Marcus King is a freak on the field. NT needs to take a look at the safety from Trinity...that white guy. He's good

Jordan Scoggins has also committed to NT. :D WOW!!!!

[Drag Goon]

It looks like UNT/Dodge are picking up some nice players. The majority of them appear to be WR. I expect them to play "Dodge Ball" so they probably need to sign a bunch of WR. Is there too much focus on WR on this first class? I don't see very many "hogs" coming in. Does UNT have a good group returning? There was some talk of a QB being signed (Wasson maybe?). Has this ever been finalized?

Any truth to the previous post that Boydston will be going to UNT? I heard he lost some weight but that would be a good pickup for them if he can play like he did at SLC.

It is nice to see UNT getting some pub. I think they are a sleeping giant and I hope Dodge is able to wake them and their fans up.

[Gazelle]

Jordan Scoggins has also committed to NT. :D WOW!!!!

Is he the guy that was H-back and lead blocker for much of the SLC game?
That kid did a good job with his blocking assignments, and looked like he had a mean streak in him.

[FeeltheHaka]

Jordan Scoggins has also committed to NT. :D WOW!!!!

Great googly moogly! Another good kid! The Viking Warrior!!!!!! I'm getting close to making it official, that I am going to try and not miss any UNT games.
This is perfect for Jordan and his family! His parents are some of his biggest fans. I talked to Mr. Scoggins throughout the season, and he was sad that Jordan would be graduating high school this year, and moving away. Jordan is sort of friends with General Padron! Even though they play on opposite ends of the ball, they will make a great combination on a team. For those who are not familiar with Jordan Scoggins, he was one of if not the highest recruited tight ends since his Junior year. This kid plays with a warrior spirit, and is very versatile on the field. He can block with the best lineman. He hits very hard. He has great hands for catching the ball, and does an excellent job of getting open. This year our QB had trouble noticing him wide open several times, or he would have had multiple catches as some wide receivers. Jordan also has a great family that deeply cares for him. Off the field, Jordan is a very nice and humble kid who has high standards for himself.
If he works hard, this kid is going places in life. You will see him in the endzone quite often, or downfield making great blocks.

[Gazelle]

I looked him up on the Trinity site (BTW, cool team pic), and I remember #40. He looked WAY bigger than 6'3" and 258#. I remember them not using him in pass routes as much as they should have.

I think he also caught ~40 TD against PESH the year before in the reg semis on a bootleg pass to the right.

[dragonsdaddy]

scroggins could be a hellacious de. he's a man-child.

[powerofthehaka]

My very favorite photo of Marcus was his famous one-handed catch during the state semi-final game last year. He caught the pass with his left hand while fighting off a very determined Consol Tiger with his right hand. Does anyone have a copy of that photo?

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dallasnews.com/img/photo/12-05/4playoffs1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dallasnews.com/cgi-bin/bi/dallas/photography/photography.cgi%3Fstep%3DView%2520Slideshow%26show %3D1101%26thisImage%3D14172&h=400&w=311&sz=27&hl=en&start=6&tbnid=KzeXsZCk46jMiM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=96&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmarcus%2Bking%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den% 26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLR,GGLR:2005-40,GGLR:en%26sa%3DN

[my3sons]

[QUOTE=FeeltheHaka;414760] Jordan is sort of friends with General Padron! Even though they play on opposite ends of the ball, they will make a great combination on a team.


They are even better friends now that Jordan committed.

[toonman]

........ People in Africa probably know who Charlie Weis, Joe Pat, Pete Carroll, etc. are.

I very much doubt this statement. People in Africa will know the names of Pele, Maradona, David Beckham, Alan Shearer, Ronaldo, Michael Ballack, etc etc.....world famous soccer players. I doubt they will know the names of college coaches of a sport played primarily in one country only. But I understand the point you are trying to make.

[toonman]

Jordan Scoggins has also committed to NT. :D WOW!!!!

This is Todd Dodge's best UNT ‘commitment’ to date.

[Texasfrog]

scroggins could be a hellacious de. he's a man-child.

I think Scroggins will be a tough DT. He is about (6-1/260) right now. If he can get to about (6-1/280) and keep his strength and quickness. He'll be a tough one.

[PerryGreen]

Not sure what happened to the other thread, but the Mean Green lands another good recruit:

A.J. Penson from Lufkin (high 2 Star on Rivals, 3 Star on Scout)

http://texasprepxtra.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=43693

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=11&cfg=null&sFirstName=A.J.&sLastName=Penson&yr=2007

Turned down offers from Houston, UTEP, and Iowa State. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/PerryG2480/sigpic.jpg

[FeeltheHaka]

This North Texas Team is getting a "Dream Team" of recruits.

[KT2000]

I only saw Marcus King live once, but he's what champ and I like to call a "one timer". You don't need to see much to be convinced of his skill and potential.

Some other recent one timers of mine:

Eric Childs, DE, Irving Macarthur, 2004
Dez Bryant, WR, Lufkin, 2005
Andrew Luck, QB, Houston Stratford, 2006
Sam McGuffie, RB, Cy Fair, 2006

[drgnbkr]

I only saw Marcus King live once, but he's what champ and I like to call a "one timer". You don't need to see much to be convinced of his skill and potential.

Some other recent one timers of mine:

Eric Childs, DE, Irving Macarthur, 2004
Dez Bryant, WR, Lufkin, 2005
Andrew Luck, QB, Houston Stratford, 2006
Sam McGuffie, RB, Cy Fair, 2006

KT..how did Carroll beat those guys? They were all like King...I know you'll say the fake punt..but it was still a win..how? I was there, I saw it, and I still shake my head at what happened.

[Sakatha]

KT..how did Carroll beat those guys? They were all like King...I know you'll say the fake punt..but it was still a win..how? I was there, I saw it, and I still shake my head at what happened.

I don't think it's possible to answer that without somehow belittling ET, and I refuse to do it.

:)

~DnM

[KT2000]

Execution. Carroll was sharper in their overall execution, and took much better advantage of their opportunities than Trinity did.

I think Trinity penetrated three times against Carroll in the first half, and came up empty. You just can't do that against the Dragons, but they nearly managed to pull it off. It reminded me of the Katy game in 2003. Katy nearly paid the price for not scoring points when they had the chance as well.

We saw it again in the state game with Westlake. The Chaps had a chance to jump out with a nice lead, but didn't score touchdowns when they had the chance. Once the Dragon offense warmed up, good night.

Ball control means very little against a team like Carroll if you don't score points, particularly touchdowns. That's why time of possession can be one of the most overrated stats there is. Champions take advantage. Carroll seized opportunity. Trinity did not.

[drgnbkr]

Execution. Carroll was sharper in their overall execution, and took much better advantage of their opportunities than Trinity did.

I think Trinity penetrated three times against Carroll in the first half, and came up empty. You just can't do that against the Dragons, but they nearly managed to pull it off. It reminded me of the Katy game in 2003. Katy nearly paid the price for not scoring points when they had the chance as well.

We saw it again in the state game with Westlake. The Chaps had a chance to jump out with a nice lead, but didn't score touchdowns when they had the chance. Once the Dragon offense warmed up, good night.

Ball control means very little against a team like Carroll if you don't score points, particularly touchdowns. That's why time of possession can be one of the most overrated stats there is. Champions take advantage. Carroll seized opportunity. Trinity did not.

They really had some players on that Trinity Team. It was a great game to watch live...Lots of respect for those players and fans...

[farmerfan]

the funny thing is to we had all these geniuses on this board that week saying Trinity would not be able to compete with teh dragons or it was going to be 42-7, 28-7 35-14, those were the ones who had never seen Trinity play. DD was the one who had seen both play and came the closest with his prediction of the game going into OT and Carroll winning byeither 1 or 3.
Those people quickly learned how good Trinity was and will be for years to come.

[Sakatha]

the funny thing is to we had all these geniuses on this board that week saying Trinity would not be able to compete with teh dragons or it was going to be 42-7, 28-7 35-14, those were the ones who had never seen Trinity play. DD was the one who had seen both play and came the closest with his prediction of the game going into OT and Carroll winning byeither 1 or 3.
Those people quickly learned how good Trinity was and will be for years to come.

If I recall correctly, the blowout predictions came on both sides. :)

~DnM

[farmerfan]

If I recall correctly, the blowout predictions came on both sides. :)

~DnM

Not near at the level of a Carroll blowout. The people I was refering to were the fans of other teams and a few fans of Carroll. We had all these experts that were convinced Trinity did not have what it took to stay on the field with Carroll then we had the occasional idiot who would say Trinity would win badly(I can only think of 1) but not nearly as many as who predicted Carroll in a blowout.

[CCHS77]

We had all these experts that were convinced Trinity did not have what it took to stay on the field with Carroll then we had the occasional idiot who would say Trinity would win badly(I can only think of 1) but not nearly as many as who predicted Carroll in a blowout.


Every bandwagon has pusher/pullers and riders. Not a surprise that there are different size band wagons for every team. Usually based on the previous performance (expectations going forward?).


Translation;

Bigger wagon = more riders

(Not a surprise to me. Of course, the pusher/puller in me didn't offer a point spread of said game, just a tough game with a win at the end of what every ended up being the final play.)

[farmerfan]

Every bandwagon has pusher/pullers and riders. Not a surprise that there are different size band wagons for every team. Usually based on the previous performance (expectations going forward?).


Translation;

Bigger wagon = more riders

(Not a surprise to me. Of course, the pusher/puller in me didn't offer a point spread of said game, just a tough game with a win at the end of what every ended up being the final play.)

very well said. the fan in me didnt offer up a score of said game. I too felt it would be a great game that both teams had just as good a chance to win. can't say I have ever said that about any other game Carroll has been involed in since district began in 2002.

[Sakatha]

Not near at the level of a Carroll blowout. The people I was refering to were the fans of other teams and a few fans of Carroll. We had all these experts that were convinced Trinity did not have what it took to stay on the field with Carroll then we had the occasional idiot who would say Trinity would win badly(I can only think of 1) but not nearly as many as who predicted Carroll in a blowout.

I wasn't trying to keep score on how many SLC people predicted blowouts compared with ET. I was just saying that ET people said the same sorts of things....... Trying to 'keep score' would be silly considering there are probably 5x more SLC posters than there are ET posters.

~DnM

[North Texas Football]

First off, let me clarify before I post this statement: My family and I think the world of Coach Lineweaver at Trinity. He is a good family friend, and is an outstanding ballcoach. I do not fault him one bit, as the players have to play the game. Just like when he was at Commerce in the State Game in the mid 1990's he scores late in the game and could have kicked the extra point to tie Sealy and become Co-Champions. If you think back to your playing days, why would you want to be a Co-Champion? You would always wonder why coach didn't give us a chance to go for two and become the outright State Champions. Coach Lineweaver goes for two late in that Commerce game and doesn't get it, so they are State Runner-Up. Can't blame him one bit. Hindsight is 20/20.

Just my two cents on why Trinity lost: The fourth down call in the 2nd quarter running a Play Action boot into the boundary that turned out looking like a 'naked bootleg' because the receiver was covered up in the endzone. I do not fault him for the fake punt one bit. However on that series when they did fake the punt late in the game, Trinity's use of clock management was very poor. Justise Campbell running downhill behind their line is much lower risk, and chews up more clock than throwing deep to King early in that series.

Carroll made their fair share of mistakes and Trinity made theirs, however the Dragons took better advantage of more Trojan mistakes throughout the course of that incredible game.

What an unbelievable display of heart and determination by both sides. The game had its series of up and down plays, however no one on either side would let that affect them, instead they came back fighting harder. 2 great coaches, 2 great programs, and one incredible atmosphere and high school football game!

And 4 of those players are coming to North Texas! Oh yeah, and one head coach...

[farmerfan]

I wasn't trying to keep score on how many SLC people predicted blowouts compared with ET. I was just saying that ET people said the same sorts of things....... Trying to 'keep score' would be silly considering there are probably 5x more SLC posters than there are ET posters.

~DnM

If I am not mistaken the reason the Trinity fans came with the outrageous scores (i remember only 1) was in response to some of the rediculous scores being posted by some carroll fans and many many more from other programs not involved in the game. Trust me we had many from around this metroplex on this board saying that the game would be a blowout and Trinity was overrated and that Trinity would not be able to score more than 14 points and that Trinity would not eclipse 200 yards rushing and so on.

[Sakatha]

If I am not mistaken the reason the Trinity fans came with the outrageous scores (i remember only 1) was in response to some of the rediculous scores being posted by some carroll fans and many many more from other programs not involved in the game. Trust me we had many from around this metroplex on this board saying that the game would be a blowout and Trinity was overrated and that Trinity would not be able to score more than 14 points and that Trinity would not eclipse 200 yards rushing and so on.

Not sure why I bothered responding.. I posted an observation which was pretty much unarguable. Since there WERE ET fans who predicted blowouts... So then you decide to(for some reason) spout off about how there were 'more' SLC predictions(who freaking cares)... I then respond with 'Well, there are more SLC posters', so your retort is 'Well, ET wouldn't have done it if SLC hadn't started it'...

So let me get this right. SLC posters started the whole thing with a giant bombardment of ET blowout predictions, so ET was forced to retaliate to the onslaught of SLC posters who think they are never wrong...

Right?


Dude, cmon.

~DnM

[farmerfan]

Not sure why I bothered responding.. I posted an observation which was pretty much unarguable. Since there WERE ET fans who predicted blowouts... So then you decide to(for some reason) spout off about how there were 'more' SLC predictions(who freaking cares)... I then respond with 'Well, there are more SLC posters', so your retort is 'Well, ET wouldn't have done it if SLC hadn't started it'...

So let me get this right. SLC posters started the whole thing with a giant bombardment of ET blowout predictions, so ET was forced to retaliate to the onslaught of SLC posters who think they are never wrong...

Right?


Dude, cmon.

~DnM

you take everything so personal. I said "TEHERE WERE MANY MORE OUTSIDE OF CARROLL. My original post was not even directed at the Carroll contigent but you automaticly take everything as a freaking insult to Carroll. Dude its not. You are not hated by everyone like you think you are. Get over it and yourself. You have the ability to look like the biggest freaking WHINER. Of course you are aggy so that explains a lot.

[FeeltheHaka]

If I am not mistaken the reason the Trinity fans came with the outrageous scores (i remember only 1) was in response to some of the rediculous scores being posted by some carroll fans and many many more from other programs not involved in the game. Trust me we had many from around this metroplex on this board saying that the game would be a blowout and Trinity was overrated and that Trinity would not be able to score more than 14 points and that Trinity would not eclipse 200 yards rushing and so on.

Yep, I'll eat the crow on that one. I predicted if I remember correctly that Trinity would win by 20.

[Sakatha]

Yep, I'll eat the crow on that one. I predicted if I remember correctly that Trinity would win by 20.

*sighs*

No way, dude... Didn't happen. It was all in my imagination. Just like I imagine that FF wasn't 'really' trying to prove me wrong.

The good news is that I am seeking help for my condition of being an '***' as FF informed I was in some PMs earlier.

I hereby apologize to my other 'aggy' and dragon fans. FF let me know that it's a shame you all have to put up with an '***' of a fan like myself.

Sorry, aggys and dragons.

~DnM

[powerofthehaka]

Pretty sure FarmerFan is right on this one. FeeltheHaka went way out on a limb with his prediction but most TRUE Trinity posters predicted a close Trinity victory.

[TrinityTrojan80]

If I am not mistaken the reason the Trinity fans came with the outrageous scores (i remember only 1) was in response to some of the rediculous scores being posted by some carroll fans and many many more from other programs not involved in the game. Trust me we had many from around this metroplex on this board saying that the game would be a blowout and Trinity was overrated and that Trinity would not be able to score more than 14 points and that Trinity would not eclipse 200 yards rushing and so on.


I am the 1, 55 to 10, I ate some crow but I'll admit that at the time I thought there was no way that SLC could play with the big boys. That's all I have to say about that game. BTW, Marcus King commited to UNT!

[Sakatha]

Pretty sure FarmerFan is right on this one. FeeltheHaka went way out on a limb with his prediction but most TRUE Trinity posters predicted a close Trinity victory.

And my point is, why can't we both be right? That's all I was saying... I said the blowout predictions came on both sides. As two ET posters have now admitted, that WAS the case...

For the record, I predicted a close one as well...

~DnM

p.s. Most of the TRUE SLC fans predicted a close one also...........:(

[TrinityProud]

Yep, I'll eat the crow on that one. I predicted if I remember correctly that Trinity would win by 20.

You could not, however, have predicted a star running back sustaining a spiral fracture 1 week before the game. :eek:

The game was great---any everyone involved on both sides of the field should be congratulated!!!!!

[BigRing5311]

And my point is, why can't we both be right? That's all I was saying... I said the blowout predictions came on both sides. As two ET posters have now admitted, that WAS the case...

For the record, I predicted a close one as well...

~DnM

p.s. Most of the TRUE SLC fans predicted a close one also...........:(

I'm a TRUE SC fan and I'll admit that I predicted (although not on here because most of us have the disease Elephantmentalitis) SC would slap an extra 20 on ET. And for that I'l eat belated crow and say for the whateverenth time...Great game both teams.

[my3sons]

First off, let me clarify before I post this statement: My family and I think the world of Coach Lineweaver at Trinity. He is a good family friend, and is an outstanding ballcoach. I do not fault him one bit, as the players have to play the game. Just like when he was at Commerce in the State Game in the mid 1990's he scores late in the game and could have kicked the extra point to tie Sealy and become Co-Champions. If you think back to your playing days, why would you want to be a Co-Champion? You would always wonder why coach didn't give us a chance to go for two and become the outright State Champions. Coach Lineweaver goes for two late in that Commerce game and doesn't get it, so they are State Runner-Up. Can't blame him one bit. Hindsight is 20/20.

Just my two cents on why Trinity lost: The fourth down call in the 2nd quarter running a Play Action boot into the boundary that turned out looking like a 'naked bootleg' because the receiver was covered up in the endzone. I do not fault him for the fake punt one bit. However on that series when they did fake the punt late in the game, Trinity's use of clock management was very poor. Justise Campbell running downhill behind their line is much lower risk, and chews up more clock than throwing deep to King early in that series.

Carroll made their fair share of mistakes and Trinity made theirs, however the Dragons took better advantage of more Trojan mistakes throughout the course of that incredible game.

What an unbelievable display of heart and determination by both sides. The game had its series of up and down plays, however no one on either side would let that affect them, instead they came back fighting harder. 2 great coaches, 2 great programs, and one incredible atmosphere and high school football game!

And 4 of those players are coming to North Texas! Oh yeah, and one head coach...


4 players, 1 head coach, AND 3 assistant coaches. Now all we need is a partridge in a pear tree and we'll all have a Merry CHRISTmas!

[farmerfan]

*sighs*

No way, dude... Didn't happen. It was all in my imagination. Just like I imagine that FF wasn't 'really' trying to prove me wrong.

The good news is that I am seeking help for my condition of being an '***' as FF informed I was in some PMs earlier.

I hereby apologize to my other 'aggy' and dragon fans. FF let me know that it's a shame you all have to put up with an '***' of a fan like myself.

Sorry, aggys and dragons.
~DnM


and where on this board did I say anything remotely close to that? I mean do show and do tell, please.

[farmerfan]

I am the 1, 55 to 10, I ate some crow but I'll admit that at the time I thought there was no way that SLC could play with the big boys. That's all I have to say about that game. BTW, Marcus King commited to UNT!

TT80, what was your first prediction?
after you saw a few from other programs come on inculding our very own KT2000 and a few SLC fans give scores such as 42-14, 49-21 and etc in favor of SLC isn't that when you said ok I'll give this score if were going rediculous. I remember your first prediction being a very close Trinity win. The 55-10 came after others started going rediculous.

[TrinityTrojan80]

TT80, what was your first prediction?
after you saw a few from other programs come on inculding our very own KT2000 and a few SLC fans give scores such as 42-14, 49-21 and etc in favor of SLC isn't that when you said ok I'll give this score if were going rediculous. I remember your first prediction being a very close Trinity win. The 55-10 came after others started going rediculous.

Farmerfan, I'm sorry but I was not doing anything but stating my heart. Yes I saw some of the other predictions and I don't think it influenced my "outragous" predition. 55-10 was not my first thought, 38-3 was, but 55-10 was the only one I posted. I still can't believe we were beaten. 2007 will be another great year for Trinity! I guess that's no longer a secret that ET is a powerhouse. This year, speed even at QB.

[farmerfan]

Farmerfan, I'm sorry but I was not doing anything but stating my heart. Yes I saw some of the other predictions and I don't think it influenced my "outragous" predition. 55-10 was not my first thought, 38-3 was, but 55-10 was the only one I posted. I still can't believe we were beaten. 2007 will be another great year for Trinity! I guess that's no longer a secret that ET is a powerhouse. This year, speed even at QB.

well if thats the case I hate to say it to ya and no offense, but that was an ignorant thing to do. dont take it personally just was.
there sakatha, you happy?

[Sakatha]

I'm a TRUE SC fan and I'll admit that I predicted (although not on here because most of us have the disease Elephantmentalitis) SC would slap an extra 20 on ET. And for that I'l eat belated crow and say for the whateverenth time...Great game both teams.

As I said, most... Doesn't mean the ones who posted bigger wins are ignorant... As someone here apparently thinks...

These are opinions. Some on this board, however, feel it necessary to throw names around when these opinions are voiced. Or heaven forbid, someone disagree.

~DnM

[farmerfan]

As I said, most... Doesn't mean the ones who posted bigger wins are ignorant... As someone here apparently thinks...

These are opinions. Some on this board, however, feel it necessary to throw names around when these opinions are voiced. Or heaven forbid, someone disagree.

~DnM

Mercy you have thin skin. You need to reevaluate your feelings if you want to post on a message board. First you view everything as a damn attack on Southlake, if it doesnt give southlake the praise or anything else you deem they deserve then you come and start crying. case in point see the first post I made on this thread, I didnt even make a statement towards a Carroll person or poster, but you automatically jump in as it was an attack on Carroll. Grow the F up dude.
Second, yeah predicting a 38-3 or 55-10 win over Southlake is an ignorant thing to say. Sure we all have our opinions however the same goes for those same scores of 42-14 we saw in favor of Southlake. It was not nor ever a personal attack just an attack on the score, but then again you are from the camp that belives HS kids can burn all pro defensive backs so I guess if the shoe fits right?

[Sakatha]

Mercy you have thin skin. You need to reevaluate your feelings if you want to post on a message board. First you view everything as a damn attack on Southlake, if it doesnt give southlake the praise or anything else you deem they deserve then you come and start crying. case in point see the first post I made on this thread, I didnt even make a statement towards a Carroll person or poster, but you automatically jump in as it was an attack on Carroll. Grow the F up dude.
Second, yeah predicting a 38-3 or 55-10 win over Southlake is an ignorant thing to say. Sure we all have our opinions however the same goes for those same scores of 42-14 we saw in favor of Southlake. It was not nor ever a personal attack just an attack on the score, but then again you are from the camp that belives HS kids can burn all pro defensive backs so I guess if the shoe fits right?

Never said at any point that it was an attack on SLC. I said it went both ways.

Never said it. You have reading comprehension issues.

The funniest part about all of this is that you are guilty of what you are saying I am guilty of.

I *never* said anything about how I was treated, southlake was treated, or anyone involved w/Southlake was treated on this thread. It's just more important for you to be right then anything else.

Hey, that's your opinion. Have a nice day.

~DnM

[farmerfan]

Never said at any point that it was an attack on SLC. I said it went both ways.

And I am ignorant. Never said it. You have reading comprehension issues.

The funniest part about all of this is that you are guilty of what you are saying I am guilty of.

I *never* said anything about how I was treated, southlake was treated, or anyone involved w/Southlake was treated on this thread. It's just more important for you to be right then anything else.

Hey, that's your opinion. Have a nice day.

~DnM


so says the aggy.
the whole point of my post was that there were many many many many many many many more people who were predicting a comfortable Southlake win. You know that everyone knows that. When the game turned out the way it did it suprsied everyone. Trinity never had the respect they deserved even as defending division 1 champs, it took that game against Southlake to propel them into that top tier status. I simply pointed out that while southlake winning did not shock me or anyone else the fact that it was so close after many had felt a comfortable Southlake win would insue. Even such posters as Dgrbkr, DO8, Yankeefan among others some of the most respected posters on this board predicted big victories for the Dragons. I just pointed out that while none of them had seen both teams play that there were others on this board who did and were pretty spot on. But then you have to come out and cry like the typical aggy who is little brother that well "he did it too" or its not fair. Whine Whine Whine. So you too have a nice day.

[Sakatha]

so says the aggy.
the whole point of my post was that there were many many many many many many many more people who were predicting a comfortable Southlake win. You know that everyone knows that. When the game turned out the way it did it suprsied everyone. Trinity never had the respect they deserved even as defending division 1 champs, it took that game against Southlake to propel them into that top tier status. I simply pointed out that while southlake winning did not shock me or anyone else the fact that it was so close after many had felt a comfortable Southlake win would insue. Even such posters as Dgrbkr, DO8, Yankeefan among others some of the most respected posters on this board predicted big victories for the Dragons. I just pointed out that while none of them had seen both teams play that there were others on this board who did and were pretty spot on. But then you have to come out and cry like the typical aggy who is little brother that well "he did it too" or its not fair. Whine Whine Whine. So you too have a nice day.


So let me get this straight, before this is dropped...

Me saying 'It went both ways', is crying? Okay, SWEET! I didn't know stating a harmless opinion was crying.

This is a case of you not having a case anymore thanks to a couple of ET posters who decided to come back and post the T R U T H about what was predicted...

Peace.

~DnM

[farmerfan]

So let me get this straight, before this is dropped...

Me saying 'It went both ways', is crying? Okay, SWEET! I didn't know stating a harmless opinion was crying.

This is a case of you not having a case anymore thanks to a couple of ET posters who decided to come back and post the T R U T H about what was predicted...

Peace.

~DnM

no that fact that you jump in period to go and say that well they did it too is crying. you had a whopping 2 post saying that Trinity would win big. You had a few more from other programs that said Trinity would wina close game. The rest was plenty of outside posters saying that Carroll would win comfortbably including our very own KT2000. Then we had some others saying the same thing., I was just pointing out that those were the ones who had not ever seen Trinity play. We had comments from Carrroll people on this same thread who had never seen Trinity play and did not give them the respect they deserved last year or this year prior to the game in shock at how good those kids were. These were the same ones that were predicting a comfortbale Carroll win without knowing what Trinity possessed. It's as simple as that. However you view it like always as attacks and name calling, poor aggy.

[Sakatha]

no that fact that you jump in period to go and say that well they did it too is crying. you had a whopping 2 post saying that Trinity would win big. You had a few more from other programs that said Trinity would wina close game. The rest was plenty of outside posters saying that Carroll would win comfortbably including our very own KT2000. Then we had some others saying the same thing., I was just pointing out that those were the ones who had not ever seen Trinity play. We had comments from Carrroll people on this same thread who had never seen Trinity play and did not give them the respect they deserved last year or this year prior to the game in shock at how good those kids were. These were the same ones that were predicting a comfortbale Carroll win without knowing what Trinity possessed. It's as simple as that. However you view it like always as attacks and name calling, poor aggy.


That is your perception more than it is mine. I'm done w/this thread now. Congrats to Mr. King on his commit. I hope he does well @ UNT.

~DnM

[TrojanHorse03]

no that fact that you jump in period to go and say that well they did it too is crying. you had a whopping 2 post saying that Trinity would win big. You had a few more from other programs that said Trinity would wina close game. The rest was plenty of outside posters saying that Carroll would win comfortbably including our very own KT2000. Then we had some others saying the same thing., I was just pointing out that those were the ones who had not ever seen Trinity play. We had comments from Carrroll people on this same thread who had never seen Trinity play and did not give them the respect they deserved last year or this year prior to the game in shock at how good those kids were. These were the same ones that were predicting a comfortbale Carroll win without knowing what Trinity possessed. It's as simple as that. However you view it like always as attacks and name calling, poor aggy.

KT, said that...?

[ScottTSU4]

So........about that Marcus King committment........:D

[farmerfan]

So........about that Marcus King committment........:D

He's going to be GREAT.

[farmerfan]

KT, said that...?

He did.

[powerofthehaka]

So let me get this straight, before this is dropped...

Me saying 'I went both ways', is crying? Okay, SWEET! I didn't know stating a harmless opinion was crying.

This is a case of you not having a case anymore thanks to a couple of ET posters who decided to come back and post the T R U T H about what was predicted...

Peace.

~DnM

Does that mean you are Gay?:D

[Sakatha]

Does that mean you are Gay?:D

Seeing as you edited the quote.. I am thinking no...

~DnM