Allen Fans, New Stadium Thoughts?

[bigdaddydog]

Allen Fans,

The follow article was in the Dallas Morning News on Jan. 5th. The ISD is talking to developers at Craig Ranch about possibly partnering in some way on the stadium they are building. The stadium is supposed to hold 5000 initially and be completed by June 2007.

New Stadium Story: (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/city/collin/allen/stories/DN-allenstadium_04cco.ART0.North.Edition1.3d4571e.htm l)

Our current stadium holds ~6000 and with extra seating we can get seat approximately 12,000 folks. The estimate is that Allen ISD would not be able to build our own stadium until 2011 at the earliest.

I don't know about you but the thought of traveling up to 121 and Alma to go to a home Football game ticks me off!:mad:

I would rather contract with Plano to use Clark or Kimbrough rather that go up to 121 & Alma.

Yeah we all know what others think of our stadium and if we have to hear you guys say it again we're gonna beat you with a stick next time we play you just like last year. :D

Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions?


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[Gazelle]

Allen Fans,

The follow article was in the Dallas Morning News on Jan. 5th......
Yeah we all know what others think of our stadium and if we have to hear you guys say it again we're gonna beat you with a stick next time we play you just like last year. :D

Thoughts? Ideas? Suggestions?
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As a PESH supporter, I don't want to rehash any bad feelings about your "stadium". I just want to know how it is not against city code to be selling food at a location that doesn't have proper sanitation/restroom facillities, and why the UIL has no standards on the field lighting of 5A stadiums.

On the original subject of your post, a 5000 seat stadium would barely hold your band.

[AllenEagle06]

So the new stadium is actually going to seat less? :confused: I thought the whole reason of getting a new stadium was because the other the one we have now is too small.

I like the Alma and 121 location though, it's very close to where I live.

[bigdaddydog]

So the new stadium is actually going to seat less? :confused: I thought the whole reason of getting a new stadium was because the other the one we have now is too small.

I like the Alma and 121 location though, it's very close to where I live.

I think the point of talking to the Craig Ranch folks would be for us to contribute dollars that would help pay for expansion beyond the original 5000. I would imagine that it would be another year or two before we could possibly use that Stadium.

I understand how you might like the location if it is close to your home. I want it close enough to the High School so that the band can do a March In from the Band Hall. I want the players and the Band to not have to load onto 20+ busses to home games.

Maybe some day...

Oh yeah, and I want folks to stop complaining about the facilities so they can concentrate on whining about how they could have/should have won the game! :D


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[PaulinPlano]

This sounds like it could be a good temporary option for Allen depending on cost. The problem with this move is that it may move out the new stadium date even further because of dollars committed to this option. Even without this option, it sounds like the funding would not be available for a new stadium until 2011. You still have to build it, so you are looking at 2012 or 2013.

[allendad]

Well, I think the idea(Craig Ranch) is absolutely HORRBLE!

If we are going to be paying ANY money into a stadium of ANY kind we MUST be sure that the funds are going into something FOR us not a joint venture.

121 and Alma is not A L L E N!

It needs to be where "ALLEN" . . . IS.
The land is just sitting there next to the practice field. That is where the stadium is supposed to be. Putting ANY money into some "Ranch" project is NOT in the best interest of the FANS, SCHOOL, or COMMUNITY.

If we don't have the $$$ to build on the lot next to the "Activity Center" then find contributors, etc., but don't do some half A$$, Hillbilly, dingle-berry
joint project with McKinney.

We need a stadium where we can plaster "EAGLE" all over the place and have it be OUR H O M E !
Otherwise let's go to Kimbourgh(sp?) and put up a paper "Eagles" sign.:rolleyes:

Daddy, I LOVE the idea of having the band do a march in/over. We can apply the $$$ saved(Buses) to the payment on the stadium. There has to be a way to make it work. IF, we can get persoal agendas and egos out of this project.
The stadium can be used for a lot of other things besides 6 FB games a year.

Allendad

[bigdaddydog]

This sounds like it could be a good temporary option for Allen depending on cost. The problem with this move is that it may move out the new stadium date even further because of dollars committed to this option. Even without this option, it sounds like the funding would not be available for a new stadium until 2011. You still have to build it, so you are looking at 2012 or 2013.

That is one thing I worry about as well. I want a Stadium of our own as soon as possible.

The thing is we are burning what I think is some really serious cash on the rental for the stands to keep the current stadium going, so either way there would be some significant burn.

The diffference may be that we are spending expense dollars instead of capital improvement dollars. comes out of a different bucket.


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[bigdaddydog]

Well, I think the idea(Craig Ranch) is absolutely HORRBLE!

If we are going to be paying ANY money into a stadium of ANY kind we MUST be sure that the funds are going into something FOR us not a joint venture.

121 and Alma is not A L L E N!

It needs to be where "ALLEN" . . . IS.
The land is just sitting there next to the practice field. That is where the stadium is supposed to be. Putting ANY money into some "Ranch" project is NOT in the best interest of the FANS, SCHOOL, or COMMUNITY.

If we don't have the $$$ to build on the lot next to the "Activity Center" then find contributors, etc., but don't do some half A$$, Hillbilly, dingle-berry
joint project with McKinney.

We need a stadium where we can plaster "EAGLE" all over the place and have it be OUR H O M E !
Otherwise let's go to Kimbourgh(sp?) and put up a paper "Eagles" sign.:rolleyes:

Daddy, I LOVE the idea of having the band do a march in/over. We can apply the $$$ saved(Buses) to the payment on the stadium. There has to be a way to make it work. IF, we can get persoal agendas and egos out of this project.
The stadium can be used for a lot of other things besides 6 FB games a year.

Allendad


I could not have said it any better!! "dingle-berry", you crack me up.

If Corporate Sponsors are willing to fork over hundreds of millions of dollars for naming rights to a pro stadium, then what is wrong with having "Pepsi Eagle Stadium" or Gatorade Eagle Stadium" or "O'Riley Eagle Stadium". Is there any partnering with the City? DO IT!!!

Somebody needs to get out there and market this pig! Sell it all. the concessions, the goal posts, the press box, the stands, yes and even the bathrooms. Stall and urinal ads.

I WANT A NEW STADIUM!!!


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[Plano Wildcat Fan]

I could not have said it any better!! "dingle-berry", you crack me up.

If Corporate Sponsors are willing to fork over hundreds of millions of dollars for naming rights to a pro stadium, then what is wrong with having "Pepsi Eagle Stadium" or Gatorade Eagle Stadium" or "O'Riley Eagle Stadium". Is there any partnering with the City? DO IT!!!

Somebody needs to get out there and market this pig! Sell it all. the concessions, the goal posts, the press box, the stands, yes and even the bathrooms. Stall and urinal ads.

I WANT A NEW STADIUM!!!


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Ideally you should win a state title first before moving into a new place. :D

[bigdaddydog]

Ideally you should win a state title first before moving into a new place. :D

Well put. :)

On the backs of our friends in Plano, We will try again in 2007.

Now what was that definition of insanity again...? :D


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[AE 8008]

is there a reason metroplex stadiums are smaller? shotwell in abilene holds around 18,000, im not sure about Ratliff in Odessa but its at least 10-12,000, and Grande in Midland holds alot. it may be that these stadiums are just bigger than normal, im not sure which

[ScottS]

is there a reason metroplex stadiums are smaller? shotwell in abilene holds around 18,000, im not sure about Ratliff in Odessa but its at least 10-12,000, and Grande in Midland holds alot. it may be that these stadiums are just bigger than normal, im not sure which

I think Ratliff holds close to 20,000.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Well put. :)

On the backs of our friends in Plano, We will try again in 2007.

Now what was that definition of insanity again...? :D


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Close don't count. If you can't take the next step and win state it doesn't matter how you get their.

We get you at our house next year and Burkhead will be ready and hopefully our oline.

[owlfan 1]

AE:

the average HS stadium in the metroplex holds about 10000. Some, like Mesquite Memorial, Plano Clark, etc, hold significantly more. Allen's current stadium holds about 6000-7000 (with portable seating you can cram about 10000 in there extremly uncomfortably). It was built when Allen was still 3A and is MUCH too small for the school now.

[AE 8008]

okay thanks, appreciate it. i didnt consider the possibility of schools moving up classifications over the years. i always wondered how, with cramming and uncomfortableness (if thats a word haha), the abilene high/abilene cooper game gets up to 22,000 like it did a year or so ago, while the metroplex area got smaller attendances

[bigdaddydog]

Close don't count. If you can't take the next step and win state it doesn't matter how you get their.

We get you at our house next year and Burkhead will be ready and hopefully our oline.

Close may not count, but it sure is fun getting as close as we did in 2003 and 2006.

I have no doubt that all three of the Plano teams are going to be a force to be reckoned with in 2007. Heck you guys may even get to beat us with a stick like you did in 2005.

Hear is my request for the games. Get the Plano East (maybe he announces all the Clark field events?) announcer (you know the one that acts like he has been mainlining caffeine) and have him say just before kickoff:

LLLLLLLLLL LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!

Just once...

Oh Yeah, I am going to have to root for PESH against the Wildcats, and the Wolves this year. So polish up your Plano Sign and tune up your Kitty Cat noise maker cause we will be bringing it to Clark this year! :)


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[ASH1157]

I was actually pretty stoked at the idea of leveraging the Craig Ranch facility for an Allen ISD stadium. I'm a little surprised that my Allen brethren are so opposed to the idea. Just because it's not located in what you consider "Allen proper, " I can assure you it IS Allen. I happen to live a couple of miles away from it, and I darn well pay tax money to the City of Allen as well as the Allen ISD.

I applaud Dr. Helvey (the superintendent) for pursuing this as an option. He is a strong supporter of the football program at Allen High.

[dragonsdaddy]

I was actually pretty stoked at the idea of leveraging the Craig Ranch facility for an Allen ISD stadium. I'm a little surprised that my Allen brethren are so opposed to the idea. Just because it's not located in what you consider "Allen proper, " I can assure you it IS Allen. I happen to live a couple of miles away from it, and I darn well pay tax money to the City of Allen as well as the Allen ISD.

I applaud Dr. Helvey (the superintendent) for pursuing this as an option. He is a strong supporter of the football program at Allen High.

i agree. if you can get an upgrade(seriously needed) for much less than the going rate, i'd jump on it. pragmatically, i'd look at a bird in the hand. unless the aisd has a lot of hidden wealth(oil-bearing shale) they are sitting on, it isn't likely to get any better soon. seems like a pretty good trade-off to me.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I think Ratliff holds close to 20,000.

Last time I checked, the capacity at Ratliff IS 20,000.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

is there a reason metroplex stadiums are smaller? shotwell in abilene holds around 18,000, im not sure about Ratliff in Odessa but its at least 10-12,000, and Grande in Midland holds alot. it may be that these stadiums are just bigger than normal, im not sure which

Farrington Field (Fort Worth ISD): 18,000
Herman E. Clark Stadium (Fort Worth ISD): 15,000
Maverick Stadium (Arlington ISD): 12,000
Pennington Field (Hurst-Euless-Bedford ISD): around 10-11,000
Memorial Stadium (Mesquite ISD): 20,000
Kincaide Stadium (Dallas ISD): 12,000
EH Hanby Stadium (Mesquite ISD): around 12,000
Gopher-Warrior Bowl (Grand Prairie ISD): 10,000
Panther Stadium (Duncanville ISD): 10,000
Loos Field (Dallas ISD): 12,000
Sprague Stadium (Dallas ISD): 10,000
Forester Field (Dallas ISD): 10,000
Birdville Fine Arts/Athletic Complex (Birdville ISD): 12,000
Keller ISD Stadium (Keller ISD): LMAO!!!:eek:

[bigdaddydog]

I was actually pretty stoked at the idea of leveraging the Craig Ranch facility for an Allen ISD stadium. I'm a little surprised that my Allen brethren are so opposed to the idea. Just because it's not located in what you consider "Allen proper, " I can assure you it IS Allen. I happen to live a couple of miles away from it, and I darn well pay tax money to the City of Allen as well as the Allen ISD.

I applaud Dr. Helvey (the superintendent) for pursuing this as an option. He is a strong supporter of the football program at Allen High.

Ok lemme splain my self. Right now I do not know what the substance of the conversation is between the Super and the Craig Ranch folks. I do not want the administration to do anything in the short term that would cause a delay in the long term stadium being built. If that means that we have to double up on expense dollars for a year, that would not be too bad.

There are so many things I like about the centralized location. The Craig Ranch location would be about twice as far for me to travel. I am concerned about the impact on the businesses local to the current stadium. Just like most of the burbs around dallas. there is a lack of cohesive soul and anything that can be done to foster that cohesiveness I will support.

I am patient, but I want a state title much more than a new stadium!! :D


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[allendad]

I was actually pretty stoked at the idea of leveraging the Craig Ranch facility for an Allen ISD stadium. I'm a little surprised that my Allen brethren are so opposed to the idea. Just because it's not located in what you consider "Allen proper, " I can assure you it IS Allen. I happen to live a couple of miles away from it, and I darn well pay tax money to the City of Allen as well as the Allen ISD.

I applaud Dr. Helvey (the superintendent) for pursuing this as an option. He is a strong supporter of the football program at Allen High.

I understand what you are saying '1157' . . . .

However, We are a ONE high school town, and will always be, so I don't like the idea of us using our tax money for OUR stadium on a temp. rigged up deal.
I would rather play at the "tinker-toy" place that we have until we can do it 'right'. If we are low on $$$$ WHY would we throw 5 or 6 MILLION smackers to cross over to "No-man's Land"(SH 121) to play 5 games and have N O T H I N G else to show for our $$$?????

It doesn't make sense to me. I would rather make the end zone seats TWICE the size they are for a few years than to give millions away to nothing.

The land next to the practice field has been earmarked for a new stadium.
It is the perfect location. Do we want a Hersey's Kiss N O W . . . . or do we want a 10 pound brick of Godiva?

The sponser idea to me would be great. There are enough companies around that have $$$$ available to put into the community stadium.

Carroll people, don't y'all have sponsers all over the place? Or, was it private donations?

I just feel very strongly that ANY building that the ISD puts into a stadium should be done right there on the school property, not in "Toll-way Village"!

Allendad

[DrEdward]

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The sponser idea to me would be great. There are enough companies around that have $$$$ available to put into the community stadium.

Carroll people, don't y'all have sponsers all over the place? Or, was it private donations?

Allendad

To respond, Carroll does have a number of sponsors, but compared to the cost of the stadium, the dollars involved are not that large. There have been no stadium naming rights deal struck as of yet, for the rather obvious reason that Dragon Stadium is not exactly in a prime location for displaying the sponsor's name to passerbys. The overwhelming costs of constructing the stadium and the accompanying transportation center were handled by bond financing. As I recall, that amount was about $12 million.

[ScottS]

However, We are a ONE high school town, and will always be

I was thinking about that the other day. Isn't your attendence over 4,000 now? If you get to 6,000 do you still have 1 HS?

[ScottS]

To respond, Carroll does have a number of sponsors, but compared to the cost of the stadium, the dollars involved are not that large. There have been no stadium naming rights deal struck as of yet, for the rather obvious reason that Dragon Stadium is not exactly in a prime location for displaying the sponsor's name to passerbys. The overwhelming costs of constructing the stadium and the accompanying transportation center were handled by bond financing. As I recall, that amount was about $12 million.

What if a corporate sponsor could pay for a 20,000 seat stadium along 114?

[AllenEagle06]

I was thinking about that the other day. Isn't your attendence over 4,000 now? If you get to 6,000 do you still have 1 HS?
Most likely, yes. 6,000 won't come for long while anyway, especially since Lovejoy HS opened up in Lucas.

[DrEdward]

What if a corporate sponsor could pay for a 20,000 seat stadium along 114?

If we want to discuss this, we should open a different thread rather than playing in Allen's. But it would be an awfully expensive option.

[bigdaddydog]

Most likely, yes. 6,000 won't come for long while anyway, especially since Lovejoy HS opened up in Lucas.

I don't think the Lovejoy kids are going to have much effect to dropping the numbers. the growth in AISD because of the new homes is going to make up for that and more.

The only way I can see maintaining one high school beyond the next 3-4 years is to go the way of Plano and turn Lowry Freshman Center into a 9th & 10th. Build another 9th/10th high school on the West side and make the main HS into an 11th/12th Senior high campus.

Regardless of enrollment and the talks about interim solutions on stadiums, I still think there needs to be a serious effort to tap the Corporate Market for sponsorship.

Nike Eagle Stadium has a nice ring to it...


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[allendad]

I was thinking about that the other day. Isn't your attendence over 4,000 now? If you get to 6,000 do you still have 1 HS?


The Lowery Freshman Center is going to be enlarged even this year. The AISD offices will no longer be there after the '07 year.

Allen will be like the plano schools . . . . . 9-10th and 11-12th.

Straight from the source baby!

Allendad

[EKU92]

Should be fun

[bigdaddydog]

The Lowery Freshman Center is going to be enlarged even this year. The AISD offices will no longer be there after the '07 year.

Allen will be like the plano schools . . . . . 9-10th and 11-12th.

Straight from the source baby!

Allendad

From the horse's lips to your ears... :)

Interesting, you do mean AFTER the 06'/07' school year right?

What is the schedule/time table for converting to the 9th/10th, 11th/12th grade setup?

OHHH! I've got another great idea. Why don't we max out our bonding next year to get started on a stadium and do it like the italians build things. Build till you run out of money and then continue building when you get more money.

We could build the field and the home stands with the first bond money and get a bunch of volunteers to throw together some 2x6 stands for the visitor side. Rent some porta potties and Shazzam! New Stadium.

Who cares what the visitors think. Anything wood be better than what we put them through now. :D


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[PaulinPlano]

From the horse's lips to your ears... :)

Interesting, you do mean AFTER the 06'/07' school year right?

What is the schedule/time table for converting to the 9th/10th, 11th/12th grade setup?

OHHH! I've got another great idea. Why don't we max out our bonding next year to get started on a stadium and do it like the italians build things. Build till you run out of money and then continue building when you get more money.

We could build the field and the home stands with the first bond money and get a bunch of volunteers to throw together some 2x6 stands for the visitor side. Rent some porta potties and Shazzam! New Stadium.

Who cares what the visitors think. Anything wood be better than what we put them through now. :D


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I guess we can lock the bathrooms at Clark and Kimbrough when you play in Plano if that is going to be your attitude.:D

[Gazelle]

We could build the field and the home stands with the first bond money and get a bunch of volunteers to throw together some 2x6 stands for the visitor side. Rent some porta potties and Shazzam! New Stadium.

Who cares what the visitors think. Anything wood be better than what we put them through now. :D
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I thought that's what you did for your current stadium!! Haha!!

[bigdaddydog]

I thought that's what you did for your current stadium!! Haha!!

Shaa, yeah the visitor press box was the shipping container for the buildings commercial Air Conditioning unit. Pretty clever use of resources, huh. I heard we're getting abunch of new industrial freezers for the high school, so get ready for Sky Boxes!!:eek:

[bigdaddydog]

I guess we can lock the bathrooms at Clark and Kimbrough when you play in Plano if that is going to be your attitude.:D

Yeah, but you gotta give us some crappy porta potties to use instead. Oh yeah you need to close down one of the concession stands as well. While you're at it maybe you guys could close the visitor side parking lot for "paving work" so we have to scramble for parking and have to walk miles just to get to the stadium. :D

[Football Bum]

To answer a Few questions -
Little Eagle Stadium Holds 14K during football season with the portable bleachers.
Lowery will be renovated in the summer of 2008 when the Admin moves into there new buliding next to the Dillard CTR.
The Craig Ranch Stadium Meeting was to get them to build the 20,000 seats first instead of Just 5,000 and expand later. Which is in Allen ISD Tax Base.
The New Stadium cost would be approximatley $30 million (20,000 seats, Locker Rooms, Exterior Brick must match the campus). Right now it is hard to justify a $30 million dollar stadium over a $30 million dollar elementary school right now. The Bond to Debt ratio is another factor right know.
Right know just enjoy the electric Atmosphere of Little Eagle Stadium .

Allen Eagles 2003 & 2006 Plano City Champs! :D

[dragonsdaddy]

To answer a Few questions -
Little Eagle Stadium Holds 14K during football season with the portable bleachers.
Lowery will be renovated in the summer of 2008 when the Admin moves into there new buliding next to the Dillard CTR.
The Craig Ranch Stadium Meeting was to get them to build the 20,000 seats first instead of Just 5,000 and expand later. Which is in Allen ISD Tax Base.
The New Stadium cost would be approximatley $30 million (20,000 seats, Locker Rooms, Exterior Brick must match the campus). Right now it is hard to justify a $30 million dollar stadium over a $30 million dollar elementary school right now. The Bond to Debt ratio is another factor right know.
Right know just enjoy the electric Atmosphere of Little Eagle Stadium .

Allen Eagles 2003 & 2006 Plano City Champs! :D
maybe the allen school board can get lovejoy to build a nice, big, new stadium and piggyback into it on the open days.

[Football Bum]

maybe the allen school board can get lovejoy to build a nice, big, new stadium and piggyback into it on the open days.

That will be a Cold Day in Hell for that to happen. :)

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

To answer a Few questions -
Little Eagle Stadium Holds 14K during football season with the portable bleachers.Lowery will be renovated in the summer of 2008 when the Admin moves into there new buliding next to the Dillard CTR.
The Craig Ranch Stadium Meeting was to get them to build the 20,000 seats first instead of Just 5,000 and expand later. Which is in Allen ISD Tax Base.
The New Stadium cost would be approximatley $30 million (20,000 seats, Locker Rooms, Exterior Brick must match the campus). Right now it is hard to justify a $30 million dollar stadium over a $30 million dollar elementary school right now. The Bond to Debt ratio is another factor right know.
Right know just enjoy the electric Atmosphere of Little Eagle Stadium .

Allen Eagles 2003 & 2006 Plano City Champs! :D

Stop pumping up your dump to 14K. Basically your saying that stadium is only 222 seats less than Clark Field which seats 14222. How is that possible when the visitor side is 12 rows high the whole length of the field and might hold 3K.
I think instead of Allen throwing money at a new stadium they need to throw money at the education department so you Allenites can learn to count correctly.:D

Also if the best smack you got is Plano City champs 2003/2006 then Allens mentality of winning a state championship is years a way if you think beating the 3 Plano schools in the same year is a big deal. It really isn't.

[bigdaddydog]

The official estimates are that the Allen Stadium can hold 12,000 not 14K. We do it by putting stands at both end zones and in three of the four corners. No matter how bad our counting are, are grammer are that much betterer. :D

Wins stand on their own and as of right now the Plano teams are owned. We will see how long that lasts. This is a new season filled with all the potential of a creamy Twinky, ready to delight some and leave some feeling empty. It’s really too bad that you think beating all three Plano teams is not a big deal, I rather enjoyed it. :cool:

Now seriously, tell me about Clark, is the off season renovation going to make it less cold and less uninviting? That seems to be one of the problems with bigger stadiums. You tend to lose some of the intimate feeling.

Cheers


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[dragonsdaddy]

The official estimates are that the Allen Stadium can hold 12,000 not 14K. We do it by putting stands at both end zones and in three of the four corners. No matter how bad our counting are, are grammer are that much betterer. :D

Wins stand on their own and as of right now the Plano teams are owned. We will see how long that lasts. This is a new season filled with all the potential of a creamy Twinky, ready to delight some and leave some feeling empty. It’s really too bad that you think beating all three Plano teams is not a big deal, I rather enjoyed it. :cool:

Now seriously, tell me about Clark, is the off season renovation going to make it less cold and less uninviting? That seems to be one of the problems with bigger stadiums. You tend to lose some of the intimate feeling.

Cheers


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that is an awesome attitude-enhancement. you, in one paragraph validated the rinky-dink allen stadium and it's invitingness and warmth, due to its beautiful compactness and antiquity, while damning a much better stadium due to its size and amenities(working bathrooms). i'm thinking a good ad campaign in support of keeping allen's stadium would involve the old andy griffith comedy routine, "what it was was football". either that or play up the fact that it's a lot like camping out. back to nature and all.

[bigdaddydog]

that is an awesome attitude-enhancement. you, in one paragraph validated the rinky-dink allen stadium and it's invitingness and warmth, due to its beautiful compactness and antiquity, while damning a much better stadium due to its size and amenities(working bathrooms). i'm thinking a good ad campaign in support of keeping allen's stadium would involve the old andy griffith comedy routine, "what it was was football". either that or play up the fact that it's a lot like camping out. back to nature and all.

DD I think you're on to something with the ad campaign.

Yeah I couldn't help it. I had just finished watching Joel Osteen, plus I'm "all jacked up on Mountain Dew". WOOOO!

You know it's also just so hard to hear the other team's band playing in the stands when the stadium is all big and everything. Takes the fun out of it for our offense to be able to actually hear the audibles.

Cheers


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[Plano Wildcat Fan]

The official estimates are that the Allen Stadium can hold 12,000 not 14K. We do it by putting stands at both end zones and in three of the four corners. No matter how bad our counting are, are grammer are that much betterer. :D

Wins stand on their own and as of right now the Plano teams are owned. We will see how long that lasts. This is a new season filled with all the potential of a creamy Twinky, ready to delight some and leave some feeling empty. It’s really too bad that you think beating all three Plano teams is not a big deal, I rather enjoyed it. :cool:

Now seriously, tell me about Clark, is the off season renovation going to make it less cold and less uninviting? That seems to be one of the problems with bigger stadiums. You tend to lose some of the intimate feeling.

Cheers


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Being state champion is a big deal beating 3 large schools in a single season, not so much. If Allen wants to be considered an elite program their are three things that must change in the community and the Highschool.

1. Win State
2. New Stadium
3. New mentatility, Beating all 3 plano schools in a season and winning district is not chest thumping material. Winning state and getting past the SLC hurdle is. You do those things it does wonders to the confidence and mentality of a community and program.

Clark cold and uninviting? All depends on the attendance. You have 5,000 for a East Wylie game yeah very cold and uninviting. Any stadium is if its 1/2 of capacity.
In my day Clarkwas far from cold and uninviting. Why do think they built the stadium to hold that many? Because we filled it. We had so many overflow games that they would open up the grassy south endzone for the students and the visiting teams bought their fans, PE, Highland Park, Lewisville, Sherman, Duncanville all bought the fan base which made for some great atmosphere.

If allen can bring 7000 folks to the Plano game this year I don't believe it will be to cold and uninviting. It will make for a very electric game.

At least we have indoor plumbing and no risk of rusty nails lodged in your back or A** from the rotting bleachers.:D :D

[bigdaddydog]

Being state champion is a big deal beating 3 large schools in a single season, not so much. If Allen wants to be considered an elite program their are three things that must change in the community and the Highschool.

1. Win State
2. New Stadium
3. New mentatility, Beating all 3 plano schools in a season and winning district is not chest thumping material. Winning state and getting past the SLC hurdle is. You do those things it does wonders to the confidence and mentality of a community and program.

Clark cold and uninviting? All depends on the attendance. You have 5,000 for a East Wylie game yeah very cold and uninviting. Any stadium is if its 1/2 of capacity.
In my day Clarkwas far from cold and uninviting. Why do think they built the stadium to hold that many? Because we filled it. We had so many overflow games that they would open up the grassy south endzone for the students and the visiting teams bought their fans, PE, Highland Park, Lewisville, Sherman, Duncanville all bought the fan base which made for some great atmosphere.

If allen can bring 7000 folks to the Plano game this year I don't believe it will be to cold and uninviting. It will make for a very electric game.

At least we have indoor plumbing and no risk of rusty nails lodged in your back or A** from the rotting bleachers.

Being State Champion is not a Big deal, it is a Huge Deal! :) Southlake is the top program of the 2000's, Period. To Be The Man, You Gotta Beat The Man! WOOO! :cool:

Beating Three Large Schools from Plano in a single season when they are in your district is a big deal. Beating a Supurb Plano East Team in an epic battle was a big deal.

"...want to be considered an elite program."

News Flash: Allen is an elite program. It does not matter if others think we are an elite program, our results speak for themselves. This sport of HS football is the ultimate in "What have you done lately" :D

"Beating all 3 plano schools in a season and winning district is not chest thumping material."

It is when those three Plano teams are in our district. It is when we go on to win Bi-Distric against Rowlett, and go on to win the Area against Mesquite, and then go on to win the Regional Semi Finals against the "Giant Killer" Round Rock, and then go on to win the Regional Championship against a hard as Nails Westfield team.

We played and lost to the #1 team in the nation in the State Semi Finals. (FINAL FOUR). That is Chest Thumping material my friend.

Don't get me wrong, I love Clark field. It is much better than the majority of Stadiums we play in. Wylie is #2, Richardson is #3, and Lake Highlands/Berkner and Rockwall are tied for #4.

"Bring 7000 to the game." You bring a team that can compete and we will bring the crowd. Oh, it's already been brought!! :D

I still love playing in the old run down Allen Eagle Stadium. It's a double wide with character. What are the odds we would even know what to do with a nice stadium if we had one? :eek:

P.S. For 2008 at Eagle Stadium it is going to be BYOB. Bring your own Board!


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[allendad]

Bigdaddy,

"...A double-wide with character..."

Man you CRACK me up!

I do agree with you about the past.

Do the Plano think they can say that they are "sumthin" because the school
won state titles however many years ago?

That was years ago in a different generation. The ebb and flo of dominance of HS football spreads itself around. The kids in Plano that play now were watching Barney(Produced in Allen) when Plano was doin' its thing. SLC was
"a small farming community" northwest of the airport at that time. Crud, the Packers could brag about how "they" were the Kings at one time. The key word in that is were.

I would love to have a big, nice house that could intimidate less successful programs when they came into Allen to be dismantled. When to powers that be find a way to acquire the funds to do so . . . I'll go down and shovel the dirt myself.

I don't want to be like Plano. I want to be like Allen.

The seasons are tough to take when you HAVE to gripe about the "board" you sit on because your team is getting spanked on the field.(Which is better than anything Plano has to play on, by the way.)

We'll just have to keep beating 'em year after year('06,'07,'08...) and let them glory in the days of yester-year.

I'm goin' out to Florida and see if I can find some big ol' Flamingos to put out on the lawn in front of our Character filled Double-wide!


Allendad

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Being State Champion is not a Big deal, it is a Huge Deal! :) Southlake is the top program of the 2000's, Period. To Be The Man, You Gotta Beat The Man! WOOO!

Beating Three Large Schools from Plano in a single season when they are in your district is a big deal. Beating a Supurb Plano East Team in an epic battle was a big deal.

"...want to be considered an elite program."

News Flash: Allen is an elite program. It does not matter if others think we are an elite program, our results speak for themselves. This sport of HS football is the ultimate in "What have you done lately" :D

"Beating all 3 plano schools in a season and winning district is not chest thumping material."

It is when those three Plano teams are in our district. It is when we go on to win Bi-Distric against Rowlett, and go on to win the Area against Mesquite, and then go on to win the Regional Semi Finals against the "Giant Killer" Round Rock, and then go on to win the Regional Championship against a hard as Nails Westfield team.

We played and lost to the #1 team in the nation in the State Semi Finals. (FINAL FOUR). That is Chest Thumping material my friend.

Don't get me wrong, I love Clark field. It is much better than the majority of Stadiums we play in. Wylie is #2, Richardson is #3, and Lake Highlands/Berkner and Rockwall are tied for #4.

"Bring 7000 to the game." You bring a team that can compete and we will bring the crowd. Oh, it's already been brought!! :D
I still love playing in the old run down Allen Eagle Stadium. It's a double wide with character. What are the odds we would even know what to do with a nice stadium if we had one? :eek:

P.S. For 2008 at Eagle Stadium it is going to be BYOB. Bring your own Board!

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I must laugh. :D My first highlighte comment of yours stating that you are an elite program is very funny. Your right results speak for themselves. Allen has made the semifinals 2 years out of the last 40 years and both times you got embarrased by SLC. Especially this year when it was 38-0 and you give yourself chest thumping accolades for getting your A** kicked? Please don't bring up that Dick got hurt and that is why you lost so badly.

Second highlight. Beating to very aveage teams in Rowlett and Mesquite which Plano beat last year is hardly material to brag about to me.

third highlight: About Plano bringing a team? 2 years go we beat you 45-7 at your house. Then 3 seasons ago Plano with 15 juniors starter played even against Allen (other semifinal reaching team) and lost 31-30 at Clark because our ****** coach Brence decides to go for 2 in the overtime instead of kicking the extra point.

fourth highlight: Don't bring a board bring a tetnas shot.

By the way Plano has 1 national championship 1987, 9 state championship appearances, 7 state titles, 400+ wins over the last 40 years.

The Allen elite progarm has what? Oh yeah they beat all Plano schools in one year and have 2 state semifinal appearances over the same time. Plus 0 state championships.

Allen fans remind me of the Geico Caveman who has a chip on his shoulder because he wants to be considered smart. Allen fans want to be considered elite but obviously you have a ways to go. Maybe one day when you get 10,000 in grades 9-12 you'll get their.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Bigdaddy,

"...A double-wide with character..."

Man you CRACK me up!

I do agree with you about the past.

Do the Plano think they can say that they are "sumthin" because the school
won state titles however many years ago?

That was years ago in a different generation. The ebb and flo of dominance of HS football spreads itself around. The kids in Plano that play now were watching Barney(Produced in Allen) when Plano was doin' its thing. SLC was
"a small farming community" northwest of the airport at that time. Crud, the Packers could brag about how "they" were the Kings at one time. The key word in that is were.

I would love to have a big, nice house that could intimidate less successful programs when they came into Allen to be dismantled. When to powers that be find a way to acquire the funds to do so . . . I'll go down and shovel the dirt myself.

I don't want to be like Plano. I want to be like Allen.

The seasons are tough to take when you HAVE to gripe about the "board" you sit on because your team is getting spanked on the field.(Which is better than anything Plano has to play on, by the way.)

We'll just have to keep beating 'em year after year('06,'07,'08...) and let them glory in the days of yester-year.

I'm goin' out to Florida and see if I can find some big ol' Flamingos to put out on the lawn in front of our Character filled Double-wide!


Allendad

I would like address your very well thought out statements. 7 state titles regardless when you one them is in your words "sumthin". If state titles is your criteria like you are implying show me Allens trophy Case? Where are your state champion tropies? You don't have any which means from your criteria you guys can't anything either.

You wish you could be like Plano? Who do you think Allen hired as head coach in the 80's and actually got Allen in the playoffs for the first time in 3 decades? Ken Purcell? Name sound familar or are you one of those transplants whose memory of Allen football dates back to 2001? Borrowing from Plano's success is in Allens Blood and I bet any Allen fan would love to have the success that Plano has had over the years. If you don't want then its jealously on your part.

Beating us year after year? Two years ago we beat you by 38 at your place. This year you come to Clark (We have indoor Plumbing and real concession stands and so that at least makes Plano a 6 point favorite)

[bigdaddydog]

I must laugh. :D My first highlighte comment of yours stating that you are an elite program is very funny. Your right results speak for themselves. Allen has made the semifinals 2 years out of the last 40 years and both times you got embarrased by SLC. Especially this year when it was 38-0 and you give yourself chest thumping accolades for getting your A** kicked? Please don't bring up that Dick got hurt and that is why you lost so badly.

Second highlight. Beating to very aveage teams in Rowlett and Mesquite which Plano beat last year is hardly material to brag about to me.

third highlight: About Plano bringing a team? 2 years go we beat you 45-7 at your house. Then 3 seasons ago Plano with 15 juniors starter played even against Allen (other semifinal reaching team) and lost 31-30 at Clark because our ****** coach Brence decides to go for 2 in the overtime instead of kicking the extra point.

fourth highlight: Don't bring a board bring a tetnas shot.

By the way Plano has 1 national championship 1987, 9 state championship appearances, 7 state titles, 400+ wins over the last 40 years.

The Allen elite progarm has what? Oh yeah they beat all Plano schools in one year and have 2 state semifinal appearances over the same time. Plus 0 state championships.

Allen fans remind me of the Geico Caveman who has a chip on his shoulder because he wants to be considered smart. Allen fans want to be considered elite but obviously you have a ways to go. Maybe one day when you get 10,000 in grades 9-12 you'll get their.

So what you are saying is that Allen is an elite program and Plano was an elite program. I can live with that. :)

You can play Mr. Peabody (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Peabody) and travel in your WABAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Peabody) machine to the Plano Glory days all you want and it won't make last year any better for your team.

You can also try to cheapen the accomplishments that Allen had last year, but it won't work. You would like to see me blame the loss against Southlake on the loss of Nathan Dick, but I won't do that because I don't like to make excuses for our losses. Allen was 13-2 last year and Plano, well, Plano was not. :(

I like your reference to bringing your own Tetanus Shots instead of boards. Now that was funny. you are much funnier when you stay on topic.

Cheers

P.S. Has Clark received there new field turf yet? It should make for some good football. Good luck to your team.


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[allendad]

Daddy,

TOUCHE!

I'm hopin' "Fan" realizes this is all in fun.

Even though they do have good stadiums . . .
They can't field a good team to place in them! :p

One of my favorite memories of Plano's stadiums was the
Garland/Allen playoff game there a couple years back.
The wind was so strong that a kick off went over the field, over the
track, and bahed in the scoreboard. It must have been 130+ yrd. kick!

I love Kimburough(sp?) stadium.

Allendad

[AllenEagle06]

I must laugh. :D My first highlighte comment of yours stating that you are an elite program is very funny. Your right results speak for themselves. Allen has made the semifinals 2 years out of the last 40 years and both times you got embarrased by SLC. Especially this year when it was 38-0 and you give yourself chest thumping accolades for getting your A** kicked? Please don't bring up that Dick got hurt and that is why you lost so badly.

Second highlight. Beating to very aveage teams in Rowlett and Mesquite which Plano beat last year is hardly material to brag about to me.

third highlight: About Plano bringing a team? 2 years go we beat you 45-7 at your house. Then 3 seasons ago Plano with 15 juniors starter played even against Allen (other semifinal reaching team) and lost 31-30 at Clark because our ****** coach Brence decides to go for 2 in the overtime instead of kicking the extra point.

fourth highlight: Don't bring a board bring a tetnas shot.

By the way Plano has 1 national championship 1987, 9 state championship appearances, 7 state titles, 400+ wins over the last 40 years.

The Allen elite progarm has what? Oh yeah they beat all Plano schools in one year and have 2 state semifinal appearances over the same time. Plus 0 state championships.

Allen fans remind me of the Geico Caveman who has a chip on his shoulder because he wants to be considered smart. Allen fans want to be considered elite but obviously you have a ways to go. Maybe one day when you get 10,000 in grades 9-12 you'll get their.

I would like address your very well thought out statements. 7 state titles regardless when you one them is in your words "sumthin". If state titles is your criteria like you are implying show me Allens trophy Case? Where are your state champion tropies? You don't have any which means from your criteria you guys can't anything either.

You wish you could be like Plano? Who do you think Allen hired as head coach in the 80's and actually got Allen in the playoffs for the first time in 3 decades? Ken Purcell? Name sound familar or are you one of those transplants whose memory of Allen football dates back to 2001? Borrowing from Plano's success is in Allens Blood and I bet any Allen fan would love to have the success that Plano has had over the years. If you don't want then its jealously on your part.

Beating us year after year? Two years ago we beat you by 38 at your place. This year you come to Clark (We have indoor Plumbing and real concession stands and so that at least makes Plano a 6 point favorite)
You always bring up the fact that Plano has state championships and Allen has none WE KNOW. Just because we don't have any, doesn't mean we want to be like you. I don't want to be like any other team.

Why did you also bring up the 45-7 game you had? Do you even return any players from that year? 'Cause we do. It's also funny how much you complain about Brence being removed from Plano, but still say how you're going to beat us just because the game is being played at Clark.

I like what allendad said about how Plano fans can glory in their state championship years, while we continue to beat them in the present.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

You always bring up the fact that Plano has state championships and Allen has none WE KNOW. Just because we don't have any, doesn't mean we want to be like you. I don't want to be like any other team.

Why did you also bring up the 45-7 game you had? Do you even return any players from that year? 'Cause we do. It's also funny how much you complain about Brence being removed from Plano, but still say how you're going to beat us just because the game is being played at Clark.

I like what allendad said about how Plano fans can glory in their state championship years, while we continue to beat them in the present.

What your saying is you would rather not win any state championships like Plano because you don't want to be like them?

You are right I do complain about Brence because he is a horrible coach. Even with all that Plano will still take care of business against Allen at Clark. Rex Burkhead can overcome bad coaching.

Big deal you beat us last year by 13 and we beat by 38 two years ago. What is your point? You have scoreboard because you beat us last year?

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

So what you are saying is that Allen is an elite program and Plano was an elite program. I can live with that. :)

You can play Mr. Peabody (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Peabody) and travel in your WABAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Peabody) machine to the Plano Glory days all you want and it won't make last year any better for your team.

You can also try to cheapen the accomplishments that Allen had last year, but it won't work. You would like to see me blame the loss against Southlake on the loss of Nathan Dick, but I won't do that because I don't like to make excuses for our losses. Allen was 13-2 last year and Plano, well, Plano was not. :(

I like your reference to bringing your own Tetanus Shots instead of boards. Now that was funny. you are much funnier when you stay on topic.

Cheers

P.S. Has Clark received there new field turf yet? It should make for some good football. Good luck to your team.


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To be considered elite you have to step up and win a state championship. Making the playoffs every year doesn't mean as much with 4 teams making the playoffs from each district. I'm sure if you poll people on this board I would think they would not but Allen as an elite program. A good program which is trying to get over the hump and win a state championship. until then your will be considered a good program.

Yes, Clark had the new rubber turf installed last year as part of the renovations.

[AllenEagle06]

What your saying is you would rather not win any state championships like Plano because you don't want to be like them?

You are right I do complain about Brence because he is a horrible coach. Even with all that Plano will still take care of business against Allen at Clark. Rex Burkhead can overcome bad coaching.

Big deal you beat us last year by 13 and we beat by 38 two years ago. What is your point? You have scoreboard because you beat us last year?
A state championship would be nice. I'm saying we're not jealous of Plano's success in the past.

I guess it's not really a big deal anymore that we beat you by 13 last year, but it's not a big deal that you beat us by 38 the year before either. Do we have your number now that we've beaten you? Because a lot of you were saying that you had our number because you beat us for 1 consecutive year.

[bigdaddydog]

To be considered elite you have to step up and win a state championship. Making the playoffs every year doesn't mean as much with 4 teams making the playoffs from each district. I'm sure if you poll people on this board I would think they would not but Allen as an elite program. A good program which is trying to get over the hump and win a state championship. until then your will be considered a good program.

Yes, Clark had the new rubber turf installed last year as part of the renovations.

1st rule of holes - When in one, stop digging. :D

Al Gore - Invented the Internet
George Bush - The Decider
Plano Wildcat Fan - Elitist Arbiter

You kill me. You say: Making the playoffs every year doesn't mean as much with 4 teams making the playoffs from each district. I think anyone from Round Rock would argue with you on that one. A&M Cons. and Lufkin tasted the business end of that 4th team making the playoffs

You say it like this is supposed to be some kind of hit against Allen. So with 4 teams from each district making the playoffs now what does it mean when a team, oh let's say, like Plano doesn't even make the playoffs?

What, what's that you said? Oh Right, Elite!

Your definition of reality is just out there.

You're poor grammer usage and poor spelling where starting to make me woozy. I must go. Unless you can comment persuant to the topic of this thread I will be forced to ignore your elitist title and your empty rhetoric.

Good day :)

Rubber Turf? Does anyone know what kind of "Rubber Turf" was installed at ClarK? Maybe it was Flubber?

[allendad]

I was stuck in a hotel yesterday . . . . .

I watched the "Two-a-days" marathon . . . . again.

I must have been paying attention because I just noticed
that the "BEST h.s. football program in the nation" has a worse
stadium than Allen.

They play on their Baseball field at Hoover!

And I thought the "Double-Wide" was an ego killer!:eek:

It was incredible.

I'm feelin' like I'm on top of the world now.:D

I guess we don't have so bad after all.

Allendad

[PaulinPlano]

1st rule of holes - When in one, stop digging. :D

Al Gore - Invented the Internet
George Bush - The Decider
Plano Wildcat Fan - Elitist Arbiter

You kill me. You say: Making the playoffs every year doesn't mean as much with 4 teams making the playoffs from each district. I think anyone from Round Rock would argue with you on that one. A&M Cons. and Lufkin tasted the business end of that 4th team making the playoffs

You say it like this is supposed to be some kind of hit against Allen. So with 4 teams from each district making the playoffs now what does it mean when a team, oh let's say, like Plano doesn't even make the playoffs?

What, what's that you said? Oh Right, Elite!

Your definition of reality is just out there.

You're poor grammer usage and poor spelling where starting to make me woozy. I must go. Unless you can comment persuant to the topic of this thread I will be forced to ignore your elitist title and your empty rhetoric.

Good day :)

Rubber Turf? Does anyone know what kind of "Rubber Turf" was installed at ClarK? Maybe it was Flubber?

Hey Daddy... Don't slam the turf at Clark (btw it IS new field turf) when you guys have that Astro turf at Beagle stadium.:D

And I want to know how I can get tickets to a suite at Clark. Because it sure looks like they are building a lot more than just a box to hold the press!:p

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Hey Daddy... Don't slam the turf at Clark (btw it IS new field turf) when you guys have that Astro turf at Beagle stadium.:D

And I want to know how I can get tickets to a suite at Clark. Because it sure looks like they are building a lot more than just a box to hold the press!:p

Their will be additional suites for "Friends of the Program" that would include big donors to the QB club along with select historians, players, tenured season ticket holders who were in the stands from the Willam Stadium days and prominant Plano founding family members aka Haggards, Armstrongs, Schimelpfening's and Carpenters.

[bigdaddydog]

Hey Daddy... Don't slam the turf at Clark (btw it IS new field turf) when you guys have that Astro turf at Beagle stadium.:D

And I want to know how I can get tickets to a suite at Clark. Because it sure looks like they are building a lot more than just a box to hold the press!:p

Yeah you're right. I went a little overboard with PWF's description of the turf as "Rubber Turf" thought it a bit sloppy to call it Rubber Turf, when I was sure it was one of the new field turfs. I should have checked it out when they had the Plano East Marching Contest last year.

The Suites sound sweet. :)

Oh Yeah, it's rubber impregnated astro turf at Regal Stadium. ;)

You didn't know about the shrine to Elvis on the home side did ya. :D It's right next to the trailer hitch.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

1st rule of holes - When in one, stop digging. :D

Al Gore - Invented the Internet
George Bush - The Decider
Plano Wildcat Fan - Elitist Arbiter

You kill me. You say: Making the playoffs every year doesn't mean as much with 4 teams making the playoffs from each district. I think anyone from Round Rock would argue with you on that one. A&M Cons. and Lufkin tasted the business end of that 4th team making the playoffs

You say it like this is supposed to be some kind of hit against Allen. So with 4 teams from each district making the playoffs now what does it mean when a team, oh let's say, like Plano doesn't even make the playoffs?

What, what's that you said? Oh Right, Elite!

Your definition of reality is just out there.

You're poor grammer usage and poor spelling where starting to make me woozy. I must go. Unless you can comment persuant to the topic of this thread I will be forced to ignore your elitist title and your empty rhetoric.

Good day :)

Rubber Turf? Does anyone know what kind of "Rubber Turf" was installed at ClarK? Maybe it was Flubber?

First my comments are directed toward Allen not comparing you to Plano. As I mentioned before to be considered and Elite program as you keep saying you have to win a state championship. Allen is a good program but not Elite when you get to the big stage you get spanked by SLC.

Again, 4 teams making the playoffs waters down the first 2 rounds. Rowlett and Mesquite would not of been in the playoffs 10 years ago when only 2 teams made the playoffs. I think Playing Rockwall and Longview in the first 2 rounds would of been a bit more daunting than playing those underserving playoff teams.

You can create in your mind I am elitist when I point outthe obvious about Allen's program. My question is how can I be elitist when my grammer and spelling are so poor in your opinion? Talk about being an elitist.

Finally, you can make fun of Clark's field and my comments on rubber turf but that just hints at your envy that Plano has had a first class facility for 30 years and Allen obviously has not.

[CFlb38 08]

So the new stadium is actually going to seat less? :confused: I thought the whole reason of getting a new stadium was because the other the one we have now is too small.

I like the Alma and 121 location though, it's very close to where I live.

thats weird

[bigdaddydog]

First my comments are directed toward Allen not comparing you to Plano. As I mentioned before to be considered and Elite program as you keep saying you have to win a state championship. Allen is a good program but not Elite when you get to the big stage you get spanked by SLC.

So obviously we disagree on the criteria necessary to be considered an elite program. News Flash: There is only one team that has not been spanked by Southlake in the past 5 years. So you must be saying that Southlake is the only team that can be considered elite? :eek:

Again, 4 teams making the playoffs waters down the first 2 rounds. Rowlett and Mesquite would not of been in the playoffs 10 years ago when only 2 teams made the playoffs. I think Playing Rockwall and Longview in the first 2 rounds would of been a bit more daunting than playing those underserving playoff teams.

See here is the problem with your assertion that 4 teams waters down the first two rounds. It only makes sense if the 4th teams lose. Your statement implies that any wins by a 4th team are a fluke, that they don't deserve to be there. That is where you are wrong. San Marcos and Round Rock proved that in convincing fashion last year. I consider both teams to have earned the status of elite programs last year, they fought through adversity, rose to the occasion, won games, and distinguished themselves by going deep into the playoffs.

“Teams to Remember Play in December”

You can create in your mind I am elitist when I point out the obvious about Allen's program. My question is how can I be elitist when my grammer and spelling are so poor in your opinion? Talk about being an elitist.

You are master of the obvious, but now I feel bad because your comprehension is not so good either. I called you a self appointed "elitist Arbiter" not "elitist".

Finally, you can make fun of Clark's field and my comments on rubber turf but that just hints at your envy that Plano has had a first class facility for 30 years and Allen obviously has not.

I was not making fun of Clark field, I was making fun of your inability or unwillingness to provide more than a crude and inappropriate description of the new turf At Clark. I do owe you an apology though, because you did answer my question about the turf and did not deserve to be jumped on for answering.

Allen is an elite program because of their fans, facilities, players, band, staff, and their achievements last year. Because of the normal turnover in student athletes, most elite programs have years that they do not achieve that elite status like Plano (but not Southlake :D ). I chose to live in the present. I have my personal and team “Glory Days” to remember, but I do not live under the fantasy that Glory of the past defines the present. It does not.


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[Bandnerd1983]

So obviously we disagree on the criteria necessary to be considered an elite program. News Flash: There is only one team that has not been spanked by Southlake in the past 5 years. So you must be saying that Southlake is the only team that can be considered elite? :eek:



See here is the problem with your assertion that 4 teams waters down the first two rounds. It only makes sense if the 4th teams lose. Your statement implies that any wins by a 4th team are a fluke, that they don't deserve to be there. That is where you are wrong. San Marcos and Round Rock proved that in convincing fashion last year. I consider both teams to have earned the status of elite programs last year, they fought through adversity, rose to the occasion, won games, and distinguished themselves by going deep into the playoffs.

“Teams to Remember Play in December”



You are master of the obvious, but now I feel bad because your comprehension is not so good either. I called you a self appointed "elitist Arbiter" not "elitist".



I was not making fun of Clark field, I was making fun of your inability or unwillingness to provide more than a crude and inappropriate description of the new turf At Clark. I do owe you an apology though, because you did answer my question about the turf and did not deserve to be jumped on for answering.

Allen is an elite program because of their fans, facilities, players, band, staff, and their achievements last year. Because of the normal turnover in student athletes, most elite programs have years that they do not achieve that elite status like Plano (but not Southlake :D ). I chose to live in the present. I have my personal and team “Glory Days” to remember, but I do not live under the fantasy that Glory of the past defines the present. It does not.


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Well said!!!!!!!!

Allen is a elite team!!!!!!! And you are only as good as your last season!!!!!!!!

So, lets reflect on last season, who made the playoffs and who didn't????

ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bigdaddydog]

Well said!!!!!!!!

Allen is a elite team!!!!!!! And you are only as good as your last season!!!!!!!!

So, lets reflect on last season, who made the playoffs and who didn't????

ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ha! I knew you wouldn't be able to stand this much longer without saying something.

Just keep breathing. Next season is coming.

Cheers

[owlfan 1]

Anyone who thinks Allen is not an elite program has not been paying attention. It was an unfortunate happening that SLC was their second round draw for two years - SLC matches up especially well with Allen and has made them look bad, but SLC beats everyone and makes most of them look pretty bad.

They have not had first class facilities, this is true. It is most definately time that they build a 5A stadium. If they have to use another facility in the meantime, I say do it...

[bigdaddydog]

Anyone who thinks Allen is not an elite program has not been paying attention. It was an unfortunate happening that SLC was their second round draw for two years - SLC matches up especially well with Allen and has made them look bad, but SLC beats everyone and makes most of them look pretty bad.

They have not had first class facilities, this is true. It is most definately time that they build a 5A stadium. If they have to use another facility in the meantime, I say do it...

That's what I like about Folks from Garland. Get it done attitude.

The only part of the Allen facilities that are not good is the Stadium itself. Everyone in the entire world knows that by now. I do want to make sure that everyone knows that the school's athletic training facilities are 1st rate. Indoor training field, weight room, etc...

I guess if we weren't so focused on making sure our education facilities came first we could have a grand stadium :)


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[owlfan 1]

That's what I like about Folks from Garland. Get it done attitude.

The only part of the Allen facilities that are not good is the Stadium itself. Everyone in the entire world knows that by now. I do want to make sure that everyone knows that the school's athletic training facilities are 1st rate. Indoor training field, weight room, etc...

I guess if we weren't so focused on making sure our education facilities came first we could have a grand stadium :)


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Recently, while on a mission trip with my church to Brazil, I met a young man in a small, isolated village. Through our interpreter, I introduced myself and told him I was from Garland, Texas. His eyes got big as he asked, "Isn't that near Allen. Their stadium sucks. I had to use a port-a-potty and I didn't have anywhere to sit..." :D

[bigdaddydog]

Recently, while on a mission trip with my church to Brazil, I met a young man in a small, isolated village. Through our interpreter, I introduced myself and told him I was from Garland, Texas. His eyes got big as he asked, "Isn't that near Allen. Their stadium sucks. I had to use a port-a-potty and I didn't have anywhere to sit..." :D

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Let me guess, one of the previous missionaries was from Plano?


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[AllenEagle06]

Recently, while on a mission trip with my church to Brazil, I met a young man in a small, isolated village. Through our interpreter, I introduced myself and told him I was from Garland, Texas. His eyes got big as he asked, "Isn't that near Allen. Their stadium sucks. I had to use a port-a-potty and I didn't have anywhere to sit..." :D
Wow. The whole world really DOES know. :eek: