Slc Is Over Rated This Year...

[go_hawgs_04]

With many of the ppl who think slc is going to "protect the tradition" and go all the way this year again...its not going to happen, there not the team they use to be and everyone knows it, there is more talented teams this year that will prove slc wrong in the playoffs. yes they are still #1 but it will all change.

[svrangerfan]

They will kill PESH tomorrow night. They may not get past Abilene or Lufkin but they are still darn good. I do admit as a Smithson Valley fan I would rather play them than the Eagles or the Pack.

[AllenEagle06]

I think everybody wants to be the second team to beat SLC in 5A. I'm more than sure that Allen will have to beat Denton Ryan first in the playoffs if they want another shot at SLC.

Should be an interesting season...

[ALLIN]

I hope this continues to be the thought across the state. When it comes time for YOUR team to play them, we will see if you have the same beliefs after the game. The running game is good, the receivers are better, we have 2 qb's to get ti done and the defense is better! You are entitled to your opinion though.

[RidgePride]

I think everybody wants to be the second team to beat SLC in 5A. I'm more than sure that Allen will have to beat Denton Ryan first in the playoffs if they want another shot at SLC.

Should be an interesting season...
No - The team they will have to beat is Colleyville Heritage

[southlake thug]

Laugh Now, Cry Later



SLC will do its thing, like they always have.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Laugh Now, Cry Later



SLC will do its thing, like they always have.

I don't think there's ever bee a sports
team that's an gone entire season and
someone hasn't called them overrated!

Please do not step to the SLC Monsters,
for they are atrocious and will disfigure
any entity with ease!!

"There is something else....you must have wounded it, it's blood was on the leaves...."

"If it bleeds, we can kill it"! - Dutch, Predator

[ktrain]

SLC is king of the mountain until someone knocks them off the hill. Thats alot easier to say than it is to do!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

SLC is king of the mountain until someone knocks them off the hill. Thats alot easier to say than it is to do!

I..........totally agree!

Currently, SLC is shaking the "Hater-Nation" off! [Shake]

[Fleeman93]

I don't buy into the "you have to put SLC #1 until someone beats them" crap because this years team is different than last years team. I know they are very good, but I personally wouldn't put them in the #1 spot. I am basing this on the fact that I think you could throw several teams at them right now that could beat them hands down. They have a great coaching staff and a long season to improve so they will be ready when the playoff dance starts.

[drgnbkr]

I don't buy into the "you have to put SLC #1 until someone beats them" crap because this years team is different than last years team. I know they are very good, but I personally wouldn't put them in the #1 spot. I am basing this on the fact that I think you could throw several teams at them right now that could beat them hands down. They have a great coaching staff and a long season to improve so they will be ready when the playoff dance starts.

Beat them "hands down"...?....Bring it!

[Favpack]

I don't buy into the "you have to put SLC #1 until someone beats them" crap because this years team is different than last years team. I know they are very good, but I personally wouldn't put them in the #1 spot. I am basing this on the fact that I think you could throw several teams at them right now that could beat them hands down. They have a great coaching staff and a long season to improve so they will be ready when the playoff dance starts.

Hmmmm... I'm not seeing that at all -- The only team that has really, really impressed me to date is Katy. Lufkin hasn't played anyone yet though they looked dominant against Ike; Longview has won but got a bad injury bug last week; Abilene has won; SV has won -- but who has been dominant so far other than SLC? I guess maybe Euless Trinity, but they will most assuredly not play SLC this year.

[Fleeman93]

In order (right now) I would put all of the following teams against SLC and expect a win:

1. Northshore
2. Westfield
3. Katy
4. Euless Trinity

Now this may not be all of the teams but I do think all of these teams could beat SLC right now. I do think SV will be good enough to beat SLC once their coaching staff irons out some of the problems, which does take some time.

[RDAWG11]

I would just like to see SLC in D-I, they would have alot more trouble early in the playoffs!

[ALLIN]

Flee, I hope you are not a betting man, cause you would be broke!

[LoneStarProud]

With many of the ppl who think slc is going to "protect the tradition" and go all the way this year again...its not going to happen, there not the team they use to be and everyone knows it, there is more talented teams this year that will prove slc wrong in the playoffs. yes they are still #1 but it will all change.

What have you seen this year to claim that SLC is overrated? Ratings are based on talent, track record, coaching and the overall program itself. Granted that these are all high school kids and anything can happen, but the last time I checked SLC has it going on in all those areas. I take no offense to someone saying that they are overrated but until its proven, they are rightly positioned where they need to be.

[Fleeman93]

I don't think SLC is a bad team by any means. I just think there are better teams in the state right now. SLC has a chance to get better as the year goes on, and they will. SLC's coaching staff and program in general is too good not to. I just don't think they are the best team in the state and therefor I would not have them ranked #1.

ALLIN,

If you could schedule SLC against any of the 4 teams I listed today I would bet a paycheck on the game. SLC will get better, but I don't think they could beat any of the 4 right now.

[ALLIN]

Flee, I appreciate your opinion, but we need to stay in touch because if it does happen with Euless or anyone of those down the road, you got a bet!!

[implacable44]

How can they be overrated ? overhyped yes - I mean if you read some of the comments in here by thug, the various dads and backers etc... "mcelroy is god" etc. I would agree that they are way over-hyped - it is almost like Wrestlemania or something listenint to these homers.

over rated though ? They won state and return a significant portion of that team. Same coaching staff - same discipline and same offense. To beat SLC, you will have to either be able to put the same amount of points on the board, or serious ball control - which is possible -- it is possible to score with them. Defense is probably the key though. Can you stop them ?

I always hear people saying they would play a nickel or put in 6 db's - but I wouldn't -- I would put a lot of pressure on the QB - a lot - blitz - blitz. Have you seen how much time he has to throw ? and he has 5 options that your team has to cover for 5+ seconds every down ? looks exhausting and can you imagine the mental impact - the mental victory happens very early in their games. It is tough to get beat over and over and look up and they have 3 TD's in the first quarter and you have one because your game plan calls for x amount of run plays and then your coach panics and your offense starts doing things out of the norm and out of the realm of possibility and you make mistakes.


They can be beat but that is a pretty good system they run out there with some pretty good players - not great - but good.

[dragonsdaddy]

I don't think SLC is a bad team by any means. I just think there are better teams in the state right now. SLC has a chance to get better as the year goes on, and they will. SLC's coaching staff and program in general is too good not to. I just don't think they are the best team in the state and therefor I would not have them ranked #1.

ALLIN,

If you could schedule SLC against any of the 4 teams I listed today I would bet a paycheck on the game. SLC will get better, but I don't think they could beat any of the 4 right now.
so you don't see any way slc could beat these 4? man the changes that have befallen the downtrodden dragons are that apparent,huh? they've gone 50-1 and it has been by pure good luck that they've been able to miss out on these teams, except kt.

[toonman]

With many of the ppl who think slc is going to "protect the tradition" and go all the way this year again...its not going to happen, there not the team they use to be and everyone knows it, there is more talented teams this year that will prove slc wrong in the playoffs. yes they are still #1 but it will all change.

I see you are in Plano. Let’s see what happens tonight when SLC plays Plano East. From what I have seen; SLC has greater depth at WR - an improvement on last year. Greg McIroy is finding his WRs and I believe that in today's home game, SLC will fire on all cylinders. Tre Newton gives a different style at RB to Aaron Luna, with exceptional speed and moves. The D is much improved and while Midland Lee and Coppell had a running game going early, the SLC D soon shut this down. As many people have said in many posts; once you start to play 'catch-up' with SLC - you lose. The simple reason is that SLC’s opponents have to be perfect, score on each possession and score quickly. SLC punish opponent’s failures of converting 3rd Downs.

As at today - Week 2 : SLC are #1 and deserve to be. Almost every expert, people far more knowledgeable than me, ranks SLC #1. Do you know something they do not?

[Fleeman93]

Flee, I appreciate your opinion, but we need to stay in touch because if it does happen with Euless or anyone of those down the road, you got a bet!!

Read my post again ALLIN. I said right now. This is not the same team SLC put on the field to win state last year and in my opinion they have a lot of work to do. They could get much better and probably will, but right now, in my opinion, they are not the best team in the state.

[Fleeman93]

so you don't see any way slc could beat these 4? man the changes that have befallen the downtrodden dragons are that apparent,huh? they've gone 50-1 and it has been by pure good luck that they've been able to miss out on these teams, except kt.

This Dragon team has not gone 50-1. This Dragon team has gone 2-0. The Dragon program has gone 50-1. Who cares if in the past they have missed out the teams I have mentioned. The teams I have mentioned may not have been as good as they are now.

[dragonsdaddy]

Read my post again ALLIN. I said right now. This is not the same team SLC put on the field to win state last year and in my opinion they have a lot of work to do. They could get much better and probably will, but right now, in my opinion, they are not the best team in the state.
flee, you have seen a poorly televised game, and read on here and the fishrags about slc. are there any other avenues explaining your expertise? the only weaknesses are in the kicking game, which is no worse than last year, and they survived that. the running game isn't as dominating, but is more than made up for with the depth thruout the passing aspects. the defense is similar and thus at least acceptable if not very good. will they get better? they should as will several other teams. doubt the same suspects will show up in the playoffs, but many of them will. can't wait.

[dragonfly]

Fleeman,

I will gladly keep an open mind on this issue and may disagree, but I would like to hear your thoughts or basis on why you think the other teams are better than Carroll. Please compare and contrast the teams if you will so others can consider what you're saying.

[Fleeman93]

I would say that SLC isn't as good as last year for two major reasons. First, I don't care how good anyone thinks McElroy or Dodge is, I seriously doubt they will be the two time 5A player of the year. Second, Luna was the absolutle perfect back for the offense SLC runs. You can not and will not find another back that will be as good as him in that system. He had the perfect size, perfect speed, and great hands. We all know SLC is known for their offense and in my opinion you don't lose those two players and pick up where you left off. Before anyone jumps my case about saying SLC is know for their offense, I want to point out that I was much more impressed with their defense last year against Lufkin than I was with their offense.

[dragonfly]

But what do the other teams have that's better than Carroll right now? Remember, you said yourself we're talking about this year. So how do you think McElroy, Dodge, and the running backs match up to others right now. Don't compare them to Daniel and Luna because they're better and worse in some areas and are different kinds of players than those two.

[Fleeman93]

Fleeman,

I will gladly keep an open mind on this issue and may disagree, but I would like to hear your thoughts or basis on why you think the other teams are better than Carroll. Please compare and contrast the teams if you will so others can consider what you're saying.

Northshore - I have not seen a team look that good and that physical so early in the season ever. They are big, fast, strong, and I promise you that you most likely have never seen a team hit like they do. Their secondary will absolutly lay wood.

Westfield - Have not even seen them play yet this year, but based on what they do return and what I saw against Judson last year in the playoffs, I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

Katy - Their defense to me is still the strength of this team, even though this is the best a Katy offense has looked this early on since the 16-0 2000 state team.

Euless Trinity - I guess I really don't have a lot to go on as far as this pick goes, but I think they could have the tools to do what it takes to beat the style of play SLC uses. They have the line and backfield to control the clock and that is what it will take to beat SLC's style of offense. This pick is more of a hunch I guess you can say so you can throw it to the wind if you would like.

[dragonsdaddy]

i agree that neither will probably be 2 time poy, but they can still be very good players without those accolades. luna will never be replaced but newton can do some things better than him, he just isn't the complete package , more of a work in progress. he has gotten better from game 1 to game 2. we'll see if the trend continues.

[DragonFan]

I agree that it is hard to replace players like Chase Daniel and Arron Luna. However, this years team has a lot of new players that will make as big an impact for the Dragons as did both Chase and Arron. Arron could run over people but was not very shifty. Tre Newton is a lot bigger and a lot quicker than Luna. Chase Daniel could throw a good ball and was a tough runner, McElroy is a better passer and has had better stats through 2 games than Daniel had last year. SLC is a TEAM that has a coach that knows how to get the best out of the players that he has. This years team has a lot of returning vets who have played a lot of games. SLC is the most experienced team in all of TEXAS. They have played more games than any other team in TEXAS over the last 3 years. SLC probally has more kids with Varsity and playoff experiece than any other team in TEXAS.

This is a new year with new faces. For the first time in recent memory they have not been the first team to score in the last two games. In fact last week against Coppell they were down 15 points. That is most they have ever been behind since the Lufkin game in 2002. However they won both games going away with better stats for the two games than they had last year. How many teams at this point of the season can say they have better stats than last years State Champions? The only stat that is relevant is the number of wins so far this year.

There are a lot of teams that are 2-0 right now. Some are better than others but as far as the playoffs are concered all teams at this stage of the season are still 0-0. It is a long season and anything can happen but are the Dragons overrated. I do not think so. But I do agree that they are certainlly one of the most hyped teams in the state.

Believe it or not the Dragon Nation can remember when we did not feel that our team was getting the respect that they deserved. Back in 2002 all SLC backer knew we had a special team but we were not concidered a top 10 team until SLC won the state championship. In 2003 we were concidered one of the best teams and got to the Championship game only to lose by 1 point. In 2004 SLC was the #1 team in Texas for the entire season and did win the Championship. In 2005 we are ranked #1 until someone else can prove that they should be #1.

[southlake thug]

Northshore - I have not seen a team look that good and that physical so early in the season ever. They are big, fast, strong, and I promise you that you most likely have never seen a team hit like they do. Their secondary will absolutly lay wood.

Westfield - Have not even seen them play yet this year, but based on what they do return and what I saw against Judson last year in the playoffs, I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

Katy - Their defense to me is still the strength of this team, even though this is the best a Katy offense has looked this early on since the 16-0 2000 state team.

Euless Trinity - I guess I really don't have a lot to go on as far as this pick goes, but I think they could have the tools to do what it takes to beat the style of play SLC uses. They have the line and backfield to control the clock and that is what it will take to beat SLC's style of offense. This pick is more of a hunch I guess you can say so you can throw it to the wind if you would like.


So you are basing your picks on paper and stats (Westfield and ET)? If that is the case, then how is SLC not the favorite.

[Fleeman93]

See :

I would say that SLC isn't as good as last year for two major reasons. First, I don't care how good anyone thinks McElroy or Dodge is, I seriously doubt they will be the two time 5A player of the year. Second, Luna was the absolutle perfect back for the offense SLC runs. You can not and will not find another back that will be as good as him in that system. He had the perfect size, perfect speed, and great hands. We all know SLC is known for their offense and in my opinion you don't lose those two players and pick up where you left off. Before anyone jumps my case about saying SLC is know for their offense, I want to point out that I was much more impressed with their defense last year against Lufkin than I was with their offense.

[SLCDad]

I don't buy into the "you have to put SLC #1 until someone beats them" crap because this years team is different than last years team. I know they are very good, but I personally wouldn't put them in the #1 spot. I am basing this on the fact that I think you could throw several teams at them right now that could beat them hands down. They have a great coaching staff and a long season to improve so they will be ready when the playoff dance starts.Almost every voter in almost every poll disagrees with you.

[RDAWG11]

yes

[SLCDad]

How can they be overrated ? overhyped yes - I mean if you read some of the comments in here by thug, the various dads and backers etc... "mcelroy is god" etc. I would agree that they are way over-hyped - it is almost like Wrestlemania or something listenint to these homers.

over rated though ? They won state and return a significant portion of that team. Same coaching staff - same discipline and same offense. To beat SLC, you will have to either be able to put the same amount of points on the board, or serious ball control - which is possible -- it is possible to score with them. Defense is probably the key though. Can you stop them ?

I always hear people saying they would play a nickel or put in 6 db's - but I wouldn't -- I would put a lot of pressure on the QB - a lot - blitz - blitz. Have you seen how much time he has to throw ? and he has 5 options that your team has to cover for 5+ seconds every down ? looks exhausting and can you imagine the mental impact - the mental victory happens very early in their games. It is tough to get beat over and over and look up and they have 3 TD's in the first quarter and you have one because your game plan calls for x amount of run plays and then your coach panics and your offense starts doing things out of the norm and out of the realm of possibility and you make mistakes.

They can be beat but that is a pretty good system they run out there with some pretty good players - not great - but good.

I agree with almost all of that.

[slcsportsfan]

Rather than quote fleeman, I'd say I would have to agree with him. I don't think you can lose Daniel - 2 time 5A player of the year and Luna - a running back that lead the team in yards from scrimmage for 3 years while deep snapping and being the leading kickoff returner during that time and say you have gotten better. I would also say that their line is not as good as last year having lost Enright and Stacy.

This team is more rounded than the others, Receivers are plentiful, good QB's (I personnaly think that Riley has gotten better during the summer and McElroy stayed the same)(is very nice to have 2), Great Coach, arguably a more solid defense. RB's are decent. Solid Kicker. ect. That being said, these kids believe they will win. The seniors on this team have played in a TON of games so they should be up for just about anything. This is a different team from ones in the past. Rest assured, the program is always moving forward.

[SLCDad]

Read my post again ALLIN. I said right now. This is not the same team SLC put on the field to win state last year and in my opinion they have a lot of work to do. They could get much better and probably will, but right now, in my opinion, they are not the best team in the state. People have been saying this type of thing about SLC for 3 years and yet they continue to win. That's why they are #1.

Will they win it all this year? Who knows? They have better odds than anyone else.

I believe in two key areas (defense and WR) they are already better than last year.

[Fleeman93]

Almost every voter in almost every poll disagrees with you.

I sure am glad that they will play the National Anthem before the game tonight or else I might not be able to have my opinion. Most of the polls that you are talking about will also so say "until someone beats them they should be number one". To me that is just a flawed way to look at it. If that were the case then why isn't the state champion ranked number 1 every new season? Why isn't Tyler Lee rated number one for that matter? Neither team has been beat since they won the championship. Why isn't SLC ranked number one in the nation this year? I mean they have not lost since last year and they are 49-1 or whatever. Teams get better and teams get worse from year to year. You are just talking about two completely different teams from SLC 2004 and SLC 2005 and I don't think this team is as good as last years team with Luna and Daniel.

[dragonsdaddy]

People have been saying this type of thing about SLC for 3 years and yet they continue to win. That's why they are #1.

Will they win it all this year? Who knows? They have better odds than anyone else.

I believe in two key areas (defense and WR) they are already better than last year.
i'm not sure you can lose a stud cb off a team whose weakest link is and has been the db's in pass coverage, and say conclusively that they are better. i'm skeptical of that.

[dragonfly]

Rather than quote fleeman, I'd say I would have to agree with him. I don't think you can lose Daniel - 2 time 5A player of the year and Luna - a running back that lead the team in yards from scrimmage for 3 years while deep snapping and being the leading kickoff returner

You can get better after losing the 5A player of the year as Carroll did when Daniel took over for Wasson. You can also get better as a team if other areas improve and the replacements at other positions are good. Losing 2 players will not dictate whether or not TEAM gets better.

[Fleeman93]

People have been saying this type of thing about SLC for 3 years and yet they continue to win. That's why they are #1.

Will they win it all this year? Who knows? They have better odds than anyone else.

I believe in two key areas (defense and WR) they are already better than last year.

They have not continued to win over the last three years. See the 2003 title game against Katy.

No, I don't think they will win it all this year. No one knows, which is what is great about HS football. How do you figure they have better odds than anyone else? Because they won it last year? Because they are 49-1? Because some people's opinion have them number one in their polls?

If their defense has improved then I will be impressed. As I have said before I was very impressed with their defense against Lufkin last year in the Semifinals. As far as the WR position goes I have no clue. SLC always has talent at that position, but you do have to give a ton of credit to the QB, the system, and the coach.

[Fleeman93]

You can get better after losing the 5A player of the year as Carroll did when Daniel took over for Wasson. You can also get better as a team if other areas improve and the replacements at other positions are good. Losing 2 players will not dictate whether or not TEAM gets better.

Did SLC get better when they lost Wasson? They did dominate the title game in 2002 then went on to lose the title game in 2003. I disagree about losing two players not making a difference. I'm sure I or others on this board could give you plenty of examples but one right off the top of my head would be Vince Young and Courtney Lewis off of the 2001 Houston Madison team. You take either one of those players off of that 2001 team and they are no where and I mean no where near as good as they were.

[slcsportsfan]

Really... take off Daniel & Luna, those two only, and do we beat Lufkin and SV?

[ALLIN]

Flee, I dont care about right now, SLC is good enough right now to beat the teams they face and in 3 months, they will be good enough then too, whoever it is. It sounds to me that you have heard a few things here and there about SLC and thus decided to be a SLC hater. (join the club) Chase and Luna were great no doubt, but they have reloaded and are just as good as the years past.

[toonman]

I agree that it is hard to replace players like Chase Daniel and Arron Luna. However, this years team has a lot of new players that will make as big an impact for the Dragons as did both Chase and Arron. Arron could run over people but was not very shifty. Tre Newton is a lot bigger and a lot quicker than Luna. Chase Daniel could throw a good ball and was a tough runner, McElroy is a better passer and has had better stats through 2 games than Daniel had last year. SLC is a TEAM that has a coach that knows how to get the best out of the players that he has. This years team has a lot of returning vets who have played a lot of games. SLC is the most experienced team in all of TEXAS. They have played more games than any other team in TEXAS over the last 3 years. SLC probally has more kids with Varsity and playoff experiece than any other team in TEXAS.

This is a new year with new faces. For the first time in recent memory they have not been the first team to score in the last two games. In fact last week against Coppell they were down 15 points. That is most they have ever been behind since the Lufkin game in 2002. However they won both games going away with better stats for the two games than they had last year. How many teams at this point of the season can say they have better stats than last years State Champions? The only stat that is relevant is the number of wins so far this year.

There are a lot of teams that are 2-0 right now. Some are better than others but as far as the playoffs are concered all teams at this stage of the season are still 0-0. It is a long season and anything can happen but are the Dragons overrated. I do not think so. But I do agree that they are certainlly one of the most hyped teams in the state.

Believe it or not the Dragon Nation can remember when we did not feel that our team was getting the respect that they deserved. Back in 2002 all SLC backer knew we had a special team but we were not concidered a top 10 team until SLC won the state championship. In 2003 we were concidered one of the best teams and got to the Championship game only to lose by 1 point. In 2004 SLC was the #1 team in Texas for the entire season and did win the Championship. In 2005 we are ranked #1 until someone else can prove that they should be #1.

Great Post. A very good summary of where the SLC program has been and where it is at today.

[dragonsdaddy]

this year's version will look different in the way they approach games, due to the dominant receiving depth, and the untested/novices in the rushing aspects. so far there hasn't been much of a let up in the results. one of the best things different about the 04 and the 05 team is on the cover of this website. mckay jacobsen, for everyone who only saw him as a soph or last year after returning from his injury, is not the same. he is playing like a man possessed and will require major effort on the part of several defenders to slow down. if that much defensive push is focused on mckay, look for the other wr's to go crazy. it may happen this week. look for clint to get some stats for a change. pesh will try to use their defense to scheme some wrinkles and will fail miserably. don't be surprised if dodge keeps the hammer down on a true jacka$$ of a coach with whom he has some deserved heartburn. if it comes to pass, it couldn't happen to a more deserving individual.

[Fleeman93]

Really... take off Daniel & Luna, those two only, and do we beat Lufkin and SV?

No, I don't think you do.

[Fleeman93]

Flee, I dont care about right now, SLC is good enough right now to beat the teams they face and in 3 months, they will be good enough then too, whoever it is. It sounds to me that you have heard a few things here and there about SLC and thus decided to be a SLC hater. (join the club) Chase and Luna were great no doubt, but they have reloaded and are just as good as the years past.

Fair enough about not caring about right now, but my point is that if SLC were to face 1 of the 4 teams that I listed I think they would lose therefore not making them the #1 team in the state. I have heard a few things about SLC. I heard that Luna and Daniel graduated and in my opinion they were SLC's two best players last year. The only thing I hate about SLC, and I don't use that word lightly that often, is their arrogant fans. I love the SLC football program and what it stands for. They are a disciplined machine that plays hard every single down of football.

[DragonFan]

Last years team was propelled by Daniel and Luna. This years team is still a no name team. The WR's, the new QB, the running backs, The Defense. There will be some names that come out over the season. Right now Jacobson is the best name SLC has. McElroy has had two very good games as well. So has Dodge, and Newton. Renfro has been fairly silent. This years team has more playmakers all over the field which makes it a much harder team to defend against than last years! It also has a lot more depth which means that a lot of kids are getting a lot of snaps in. More snaps, more games, more experience. It is all good!

[dragonsdaddy]

Fair enough about not caring about right now, but my point is that if SLC were to face 1 of the 4 teams that I listed I think they would lose therefore not making them the #1 team in the state. I have heard a few things about SLC. I heard that Luna and Daniel graduated and in my opinion they were SLC's two best players last year. The only thing I hate about SLC, and I don't use that word lightly that often, is their arrogant fans. I love the SLC football program and what it stands for. They are a disciplined machine that plays hard every single down of football.
you have joined a very distinguished yet unrestrictive group. we fans are glad we could be of some service to you and your emotions. the boys are as you describe, too. thanks for the recognition.

[LPanther]

This is a new year with new faces. For the first time in recent memory they have not been the first team to score in the last two games. In fact last week against Coppell they were down 15 points. That is most they have ever been behind since the Lufkin game in 2002. However they won both games going away with better stats for the two games than they had last year.
They won the Lufkin game on a last second field goal, not "going away". SLC is not overrated. They are rated right where they should be......one of the top programs in the state. You've got to hand it to the coaching staff and players for putting in all the hard work it takes to get to the level they've been at year in and year out the last few years. Everyone wants to attack SLC because of their success.........frankly their success is the envy of many. They are going to miss last years' backfield duo, but they will be there in the end. I've seen them play both games, and they are a very good team. I've seen ETrinity play also......they are very strong. Out of a handful of teams, a state champion will come, and I wouldn't bet against SLC. One other thing......I don't think their fans are arrogant......they just show up in force to support their team, and if they brag a little.....well, they've earned the right.

[dragonsdaddy]

for everyone that really wants to stretch this argument into the realm of true ridiculousness, let's fast forward 11 months. next year's team will have a very small sr corps and will need lots of underclassmen to step up to protect the tradition. if they start off ranked 1st again, which won't be the case, they will be overrated, imo. so for everyone who wants slc to fail, hold your breath for a year. they might lose a game, depending on how the districts are set up. wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to put et and slc together.

[Fleeman93]

Start a post about what people around Texas hate most about SLC and I will bet money that it has nothing to do with the way they play football. I learned what the SLC fan was all about when I rolled into San Antonio for the title game in 2003. Again, my position on SLC's 2005 team has nothing to do with the way I feel about the fans that I have encountered. I feel that I have given plenty of facts as to why I don't think this team is as good as last year’s team.

[dragonsdaddy]

personally, i would go back to the pre in- your -face days, but that doesn't seem to be the case anywhere. put any group, many of whom were band-wagoners, with magraritas and the riverwalk and ugliness will occur. i'm sure your and the rest of the state's opinions will be discussed at the city council meeting next week.

[dragonfootballfan]

Fair enough about not caring about right now, but my point is that if SLC were to face 1 of the 4 teams that I listed I think they would lose therefore not making them the #1 team in the state. I have heard a few things about SLC. I heard that Luna and Daniel graduated and in my opinion they were SLC's two best players last year. The only thing I hate about SLC, and I don't use that word lightly that often, is their arrogant fans. I love the SLC football program and what it stands for. They are a disciplined machine that plays hard every single down of football.
what do you want SLC fans to do after being the best team in the state for 3 years? Do you want them to say that we are pretty good? Do you want them to say that they will probably be beat? Do you want them to say that they think that they do not have a chance at state? Do you want them to say that the four teams that you have listed are better than there team when you have not done anything to prove how good those teams are? Is it not arrogant when you constantly put a team of 17 and 18 year olds down? Is it not arrogant to promote four teams to be absolutely better than one team and not accept anyone elses opinion? What are SLC fans doing that other fans are not when it comes to being proud of their team? A thread asking what the best runningbacks in the state were was started and nobody mentioned a SLC athlete because none of the runningbacks on SLC are worthy of that tag. Would a bunch of "arrogant" fans sit back and say that other runningbacks are better than theirs? I don't think so.

In 2002 when SLC was moved up to 5A for the first time it was said that they would maybe win 6 games and would not make the playoffs. After they proved the doubters wrong and went 16-0 and won a state championship, the next year they were not even picked to win their district by some publications. That year they broke a 5A record by winning their 31st consecutive game and ended up 15-1 and losing in the state championship. The next season they got respect from the national media but still did not have respect from many of the other teams. In order for the other people across the state to respect SLC their fans need to show others that it is not just media hype, the team that SLC fields are great.

[Fleeman93]

Normally Daddy I would agree with you 100%, but it was tough to do in SA. As a matter of fact normally I don't give a damn what the other team's fans think, but it was everywhere in SA. I stayed at a hotel that was almost all SLC, from what I could tell, and everywhere I turned it was "farm boys don't stand a chance" and "31-0 we can't be beat" or "I don't even know who Katy is, but it doesn't matter". Satisfaction was gained in the end so it was all worth it.

[implacable44]

Where I went to school - Judson they taught me how to count in sequential order - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc... so when I coult things like say -- years that my team is the best team in the state then i would count in that manner. 2002 - 1 2003 - katy -- 2004 -- 1 (because I have to start over - the sequence was broken when my team lost) -- and so on. Maybe you missed that class?

[DragonFan]

I think there is a difference between being arrogant and beging factual. The facts are that for the last 3 years nobody in 5a football has been as successful as SLC. That should not be viewed as a arrogant statment just one of fact. That should not distract from the many great programs around the state. Can SLC be beat, of course they can, they are a group of sub 19 year olds that are playing a GAME for the enjoyment of a lot of people much older than they are! Will they be beat, that remains to be seen. The coaching staff keeps the kids on a even keel and will not allow them to think to much about themselves. The approace is to play 1 game at a time and to let the wins come 1 at a time. All the accolaids that the Dragons have gotten have all been earned 1 game at a time.

One of the most outstanding streaks of all time is that the 5A player of the year for the last 3 years has come from SLC. Chase Wassen in 2002, and Chase Daniel in 2003 and 2004. Will this years POY come from SLC? I guess that depends on how far SLC goes this year. Teams that play 16 games a year have a tendency to produce POY's. Are the Dragons going to win 16 games this year? I will let you know in December! Many of the kids on the Dragon team have never known a loss. They have been taught how to win and have never had to learn to lose.

[ktrain]

I have never had a problem with SLC fans. Not in 2003 on the river walk or at the game. Sure both sides were bragging about their teams but nothing ugly. Last year when I posted on this board that a group of us were going to the semi game vs. Lufkin, SLC was quick to respond with an invitation to proudly wear our Katy red and sit with them. We did and had a great time. There are obnoxious fans on both sides of every stadium but they don’t represent the majority.

[implacable44]

really ? they went undefeated in pee wee league , jr. high and J.V too ? 0--Here we go again with this 3-year thing - KAty eliminated the 3-year string. SLC was the best team last year. the year before it was Katy - and the year before that it was SLC - and that is only in Division II - not Division I.

[dragonfootballfan]

Where I went to school - Judson they taught me how to count in sequential order - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc... so when I coult things like say -- years that my team is the best team in the state then i would count in that manner. 2002 - 1 2003 - katy -- 2004 -- 1 (because I have to start over - the sequence was broken when my team lost) -- and so on. Maybe you missed that class?
over the last three year period show me one team that has been better than SLC.

[dragonfootballfan]

really ? they went undefeated in pee wee league , jr. high and J.V too ? 0--Here we go again with this 3-year thing - KAty eliminated the 3-year string. SLC was the best team last year. the year before it was Katy - and the year before that it was SLC - and that is only in Division II - not Division I.
so if you are taking three years as a whole who has done better than SLC?

[implacable44]

oh well then judson must be the best team in the past 20 years since they have the most state championships

[Fleeman93]

what do you want SLC fans to do after being the best team in the state for 3 years? You really haven't been the best team in the state for three years since you lost to Katy in the title game in 2003. Do you want them to say that we are pretty good? Sure, you are pretty good. Do you want them to say that they will probably be beat? Of course not. No team or fan wants to go into a game thinking they will get beat. Do you want them to say that they think that they do not have a chance at state? Sure, they are a good team and they have as good of a chance as anyone else. Do you want them to say that the four teams that you have listed are better than there team when you have not done anything to prove how good those teams are? I certainly wouldn't if I were you, but then again I didn't ask you to. Is it not arrogant when you constantly put a team of 17 and 18 year olds down? I don't think I ever put this SLC team down. I think I said that I don't think this SLC team is as good as last year's team. Is it not arrogant to promote four teams to be absolutely better than one team and not accept anyone elses opinion? I guess it is arrogant for any person or group to put out a poll. I mean essentially they are saying that one team is better than the others. What are SLC fans doing that other fans are not when it comes to being proud of their team? I would say for the most part not much. I guess my SA experience with SLC fans just left a bad taste in my mouth. A thread asking what the best runningbacks in the state were was started and nobody mentioned a SLC athlete because none of the runningbacks on SLC are worthy of that tag. Would a bunch of "arrogant" fans sit back and say that other runningbacks are better than theirs? I don't think so. I said most SLC fans are arrogant, not stupid.

[dragonfootballfan]

oh well then judson must be the best team in the past 20 years since they have the most state championships
ok if that is how you want to judge it. When you use more years you can take into account many factors. Judson is definitely one of the best teams over the past twenty years becuase of their titles. Just like Katy is one of the best programs over the past 10 years. Judson, Katy and Carroll high school have been great over the past few years. It also depends on whether we are just talking about 5A football. If not SLC has only one less state championship, but more wins, one more national championship and has set a few records like most consecutive regular season wins (72), most consecutive wins in 5A (31). I am sure that judson has similair records as well and I would love for you to share them

[dragonfootballfan]

You really haven't been the best team in the state for three years since you lost to Katy in the title game in 2003.

read my other posts to see why I said that they have had the best team the last three years.

[DragonFan]

An arrogant fan would post that:
"Judson took 20 years to get 6 championships, but it will only take SLC 7 years to get that many". :D

I do not know of anyone who would post something like that except in fun!

Good luck to all who play tonight!

P.S. This post was done stricly in jest and does not reflect the true feelings of the management of DragonFan or any other member of the Dragon Nation. If you find this post offensive please send your complaints to DraronFan along with $20.00 and you will recieve a Dragon Football Hat for your troubles. :rolleyes:

[dragonfly]

Did SLC get better when they lost Wasson? They did dominate the title game in 2002 then went on to lose the title game in 2003. I disagree about losing two players not making a difference. I'm sure I or others on this board could give you plenty of examples but one right off the top of my head would be Vince Young and Courtney Lewis off of the 2001 Houston Madison team. You take either one of those players off of that 2001 team and they are no where and I mean no where near as good as they were.


Flee,

I didn't say that losing two players does not make a difference, I said that it's possible to lose your 2 best players from the year before and still be a better team when others fill in for them the next year.

[implacable44]

If I want to stretch it out like that -- LONGEVITY baby Judson has won 5a state titles in each decade since the 80's and were clearly the team of the 90's - we already have one this decade. we will see how slc is after 20+ years - hopefully this fine board will still be up and operational.

You guys won a national championship ? who did you beat for that? was it a california team ? florida maybe ? Conchas boys from Ohio ? - where and when was this game played ? I missed that. National Highschool championship - wow.

By the way - anyone who cares about gas prices and lives in the NRH - the gas station right by the cat fish farm had gas for $2.70 a gallon last night.

[Fleeman93]

There is a huge difference between the best TEAM and the best PROGRAM. PROGRAM goes on from year to year and decade to decade. A TEAM is only here for one football year. With that said I have SLC's back 100% that they have been the best program in the last 3 years. I will go a step further and say they have been the best program since they moved up to 5A. SLC has not had the best TEAM over the last 3 years nor do I think (in my opinion) that they have the best TEAM this year.

[dragonfly]

Really... take off Daniel & Luna, those two only, and do we beat Lufkin and SV?

You're missing my point. You take off Daniel and Luna from that team and and the other seniors who graduated and they do not beat Lufkin. You take them off of this year's team as well as the other seniors and you add the sophomores and juniors from last year and it is possible that this team this year can improve. You always reload your team and from year to year other guys step in and step up.

[Fleeman93]

Flee,

I didn't say that losing two players does not make a difference, I said that it's possible to lose your 2 best players from the year before and still be a better team when others fill in for them the next year.


I guess you made my point for me. I don't think there is a player on your team that can hold Luna's jock in your current offensive system and therefor I don't think you guys will be as good as you were last year. The jury is out on your two new QB's as compared to Daniel, but he was the POY two years in a row. There is a very good chance that your WR group this year is good enough to make the new QBs look as good.

EDIT - I'm not going to change what I said in that last sentence, but I want to clarify that I'm not saying the 2 new QB's aren't as good. I just think they have a lot to live up to.

[raidercheerdad]

I always thought the word 'mythical' was used in front of the words National Championship when it came to high school!

And if anybody cares, I don't think SLC is overrated this year, but I do believe that in most polls(AP notwithstanding), REL is underrated!













OUCH!

Where did that swarm of bees come from? HAHA

[dragonsdaddy]

not that recruiting tastes and preferences matter, but mcelroy will likely be higher on the recruiting ladder than chase 1 or 2. he has averaged enough to throw for close to 5k in 16 games. and he's been giving up some reps to riley besides.

[implacable44]

no way man - didnt you see that -- he said they have a national championship - it must be in the trophy case -- right next to the state trophy or something. I am gonna stop by the school on the way home from work and check it out.

[dragonsdaddy]

I always thought the word 'mythical' was used in front of the words National Championship when it came to hight school!
i wish it wasn't used at all. it is less than mythical, imo. it is a joke to think that some one from whereever can be objective or knowledgeable enough to accurately judge.

[implacable44]

isn't the mere fact that he shares time indicative of what coach dodge thinks of him ? I mean you say he is higher on the recruiting charts and he was there last year but he didnt split time with chase? I dont see your logic??

[dragonfootballfan]

isn't the mere fact that he shares time indicative of what coach dodge thinks of him ? I mean you say he is higher on the recruiting charts and he was there last year but he didnt split time with chase? I dont see your logic??
Chase Daniel was a better fit for the offense last year than McElroy was. Dodge also said that McElroy was the most improved player over the offseason of any player at any position. McElroy does not have the running abilities required to have a sucessful running game but Riley does and that why they are platooning.

[implacable44]

oh -- so riley is like the pinch runner. he comes in to only run the ball -- that seems kind of stupid- seems like the defense would catch on that when riley comes in it is to run the ball since mcelroy only had like 70 or so yards one game rushing.-- wierd - thanks for enlightening me on that. - Wonder how that will work in college -- come to think of it - I bet the Colts do that this year too with peyton since he cant run and well the pats could do it with brady and the cowboys with bledsoe - awesome

[dragonfootballfan]

oh -- so riley is like the pinch runner. he comes in to only run the ball -- that seems kind of stupid- seems like the defense would catch on that when riley comes in it is to run the ball since mcelroy only had like 70 or so yards one game rushing.-- wierd - thanks for enlightening me on that. - Wonder how that will work in college -- come to think of it - I bet the Colts do that this year too with peyton since he cant run and well the pats could do it with brady and the cowboys with bledsoe - awesome
The quarterback running the ball is a big part of the offense. Just because one quarterback throws better than the other and one runs better than the other does not mean that if they do one better than the other they cannot do the other. McElroy can run, Riley can run better. It makes the defense prepares for basically two different offenses which will hopefully make them not as effective. If those NFL teams had their quarterback and Michael Vick (don't construe this as me saying that Riley is the next Vick or something) do you think they would not let Vick on the field? I think that they would try to get Vick on the field at quarterback atleast 1/3 of the time and that is what the Dragons are doing

[implacable44]

why would they try to get vick on the field ? Imean if I had peyton and Vick I wouldnt put VIck in at QB - maybe as a wideout - like you did with chase - but if my QB was that good - I would not need a running QB. I would make him a wide out as Chase Daniel was his sophomore year.

[Fleeman93]

Maybe I don't understand how good McElroy and Dodge really are. Could somone rate the QBs over the last couple of years for me.

As in:

Dodge
McElroy
Wasson
Daniel

[dragonfootballfan]

why would they try to get vick on the field ? Imean if I had peyton and Vick I wouldnt put VIck in at QB - maybe as a wideout - like you did with chase - but if my QB was that good - I would not need a running QB. I would make him a wide out as Chase Daniel was his sophomore year.
Riley is playing wide receiver in the 5 wide receiver sets. Unlike Chase Riley is McElroy's primary back up and if the game is already in hand the fourth quarter is Riley's. You should use everyone's talents to their fullest especially in High School football and it would be a shame to keep Riley off the field.

[dragonfootballfan]

Maybe I don't understand how good McElroy and Dodge really are. Could somone rate the QBs over the last couple of years for me.

As in:

Dodge
McElroy
Wasson
Daniel
Out of these four the one with the most potential is Dodge. Dodge may also be the fastest player on the team and has a lot of moves. The one with the most complete arm is McElroy. The one with the most accurate arm was Wasson. And the best runner was Daniel. Other dragon fans can join in if they want to add something.

[implacable44]

doesnt make sense to me. mcelroy was the back up last year right ? who was wassons primary back up ?

[dragonfootballfan]

doesnt make sense to me. mcelroy was the back up last year right ? who was wassons primary back up ?
Wassons backup was a senior Ryan Summers. He got the fourth quarter in all blowouts except for the first game of the 2002 season where he played the whole second half against Irving because Wasson was injured. Mcelroy got to play in mop up time last year as well.

[ALLIN]

Plac, they may know that Riley is going to run most of the time, but they still have to stop it.

[implacable44]

oh is that what it is ? - i still stand by my comment - if had the "god" as my QB -- i wouldnt need michael vick or riley

[dragonsdaddy]

not that it matters a whit, but the one most likely to play on sunday is mcelroy, due to fitting the mold of a pro-style qb and a dead-solid throwing motion. daniel is probably the one to look for to make a splash in college, as he is playing as a true freshman. riley will be down-graded due to his height, by scouts. he probably should be rated as one of the fastest, as there are a couple i would put money on ahead of him. we have been blessed and dodge has really done a great job bring these kids along, putting all in a place where they can/ could be successful.

[ALLIN]

who is the GOD? you are referring too?

[dragonfootballfan]

oh is that what it is ? - i still stand by my comment - if had the "god" as my QB -- i wouldnt need michael vick or riley
who said that the Dragons had god at quarterback?

[raidercheerdad]

who said that the Dragons had god at quarterback?
I thought God said he wishes he could play quarterback for the Dragons!




for all interested, this post was intended for humor only. I did not overhear any conversations involving God and Coach Dodge. I respect them both way too much to misquote either one of them.

[implacable44]

what? - you don't know - your boy SLTHUG didnt tell you that Mcelroy is a "god" ?

Riley downgraded because of his height ? he is 6'0" as a soph - surely he will grow and if he doesn't - well he is still 6'0" which is the same height as michael vick. - so height shouldn't be a problem

i dont think mcelroy will be playing on sunday except in his backyard -- maybe flag football or in europe - do they play in sundays in europe or the CFL?

[dragonfootballfan]

what? - you don't know - your boy SLTHUG didnt tell you that Mcelroy is a "god" ?

Riley downgraded because of his height ? he is 6'0" as a soph - surely he will grow and if he doesn't - well he is still 6'0" which is the same height as michael vick. - so height shouldn't be a problem

i dont think mcelroy will be playing on sunday except in his backyard -- maybe flag football or in europe - do they play in sundays in europe or the CFL?
Well then If I were you I would disregard all comments from SLTHUG. I did not read that. I also don't think that Riley is 6' tall but he may grow to be that height

[ALLIN]

Plac, c'mon, if you are basing your negativity towards SLC posters off of SLTHUG, give me a break. He is likely to be a 16 yr old kid with a 16 year old education. Not all SLC fans are crazy and obnoxious. PLease give us the benefit of the doubt.

[dragonfly]

Maybe I don't understand how good McElroy and Dodge really are. Could somone rate the QBs over the last couple of years for me.

As in:

Dodge
McElroy
Wasson
Daniel

You're asking someone to rank 2 quarterbacks that are unfinished high school products. It would be speculation to rank them where we think they will finish. I also agree with you from your earlier post that Luna would probably be the best player on this team if he were here this year. However, I think we have improved a couple of areas of this year's team that I hope will make up for his loss and will keep us #1.

[implacable44]

what -- man you are not a dragon - you are an impostor - no way did you just say that Riley is not 6'0" tall -- I am aghast.--stunned -- wait until the Daddy hears such comments - BLASPHEMY

[drgnbkr]

oh -- so riley is like the pinch runner. he comes in to only run the ball -- that seems kind of stupid- seems like the defense would catch on that when riley comes in it is to run the ball since mcelroy only had like 70 or so yards one game rushing.-- wierd - thanks for enlightening me on that. - Wonder how that will work in college -- come to think of it - I bet the Colts do that this year too with peyton since he cant run and well the pats could do it with brady and the cowboys with bledsoe - awesome

I can arrange a meeting with Coach Dodge so you can tell him he's stupid.... :confused:

[implacable44]

is that supposed to be intimidating ? I have spoken with him before at 7 on 7 and there is nothing intimidating or imposing about him. Now I can arrange for you to meet with DW - and then you would be intimidated -

all that is beside the point - the point is he doesn't bring Riley in to run. He brings Riley in because in his heart and probably a lot of yours - he thinks Riley is ready and better that Greg but Greg is a senior. He gives Riley reps because he is preparing him for next year - not because he can run. The basis of the arguement and I will make it very elementary for you drgnbkr since you are slow - is if Coach Dodge could do what he wanted - Riley would be starting.

[LPanther]

By the way - anyone who cares about gas prices and lives in the NRH - the gas station right by the cat fish farm had gas for $2.70 a gallon last night.
Hey thanks.....I live right behind that station.....might have to do some fishin' while I fill up! :D

[drgnbkr]

is that supposed to be intimidating ? I have spoken with him before at 7 on 7 and there is nothing intimidating or imposing about him. Now I can arrange for you to meet with DW - and then you would be intimidated -

all that is beside the point - the point is he doesn't bring Riley in to run. He brings Riley in because in his heart and probably a lot of yours - he thinks Riley is ready and better that Greg but Greg is a senior. He gives Riley reps because he is preparing him for next year - not because he can run. The basis of the arguement and I will make it very elementary for you drgnbkr since you are slow - is if Coach Dodge could do what he wanted - Riley would be starting.

Wow..you never cease to amaze me...he brings Riley in every 3rd series, because he's one of the top young QB's in the state.....he will be one of the best QB's in the state next year because he got the reps this year....he is'nt a run specialist, like Daniel & Wasson he can throw with the best of them and run with the best.....maybe you need lonny back on the board talking about COJU, because your hyper ventelating over all the Carroll chatter.....

[SLCDad]

doesnt make sense to me. mcelroy was the back up last year right ? who was wassons primary back up ?Didn't Josh Bell play in the 4th quarter of the SV blowout in 2002? and then quit the team when Chase Daniel took over at QB the next year?

[DragonFan]

I disagree with your last statement that Riley should be starting. Mcelroy is a quality QB that will lead this years team. Little Dodge has also been effective. When Dodge gets into the open field he has a chance to take it all the way. McElroy can throw the ball very well and does not have to run the ball very much. However he can run when called for. It is fun to watch the team develope as the year goes on because it is a very talented team that has more weopons than any SLC team has had in a long time. There are a number of kids who can take it all the way. It is truely an embarrisment of riches for the coaching staff at SLC!

[implacable44]

": Wow..you never cease to amaze me...he brings Riley in every 3rd series, because he's one of the top young QB's in the state.....he will be one of the best QB's in the state next year because he got the reps this year....he is'nt a run specialist, like Daniel & Wasson he can throw with the best of them and run with the best.....maybe you need lonny back on the board talking about COJU, because your hyper ventelating over all the Carroll chatter....."

Are you ******** drgnbkr? did you take the short bus to class or maybe you just can't digest large words? - you repeated in your post everything I said -- why don't you try and read the whole thread of conversation that was had from the beginning -- try to understand the evolution of that dialogue - review it with your mommy and your drgndaddy and then come back and try to put two cents in and it will be worth 1/10 of that. Don't come back and play until you clean your room.

[implacable44]

that is what I thought ? - Josh BEll was competing with Chase and they chose Chase so he stuck to baseball

[drgnbkr]

": Wow..you never cease to amaze me...he brings Riley in every 3rd series, because he's one of the top young QB's in the state.....he will be one of the best QB's in the state next year because he got the reps this year....he is'nt a run specialist, like Daniel & Wasson he can throw with the best of them and run with the best.....maybe you need lonny back on the board talking about COJU, because your hyper ventelating over all the Carroll chatter....."

Are you ******** drgnbkr? did you take the short bus to class or maybe you just can't digest large words? - you repeated in your post everything I said -- why don't you try and read the whole thread of conversation that was had from the beginning -- try to understand the evolution of that dialogue - review it with your mommy and your drgndaddy and then come back and try to put two cents in and it will be worth 1/10 of that. Don't come back and play until you clean your room.

You need to cut back on the drugs bud....your really starting to lose it...

[dragonsdaddy]

Didn't Josh Bell play in the 4th quarter of the SV blowout in 2002? and then quit the team when Chase Daniel took over at QB the next year?
negative. josh never played a down, in football anyway.

[SLCDad]

not that it matters a whit, but the one most likely to play on sunday is mcelroy, due to fitting the mold of a pro-style qb and a dead-solid throwing motion. daniel is probably the one to look for to make a splash in college, as he is playing as a true freshman. riley will be down-graded due to his height, by scouts. he probably should be rated as one of the fastest, as there are a couple i would put money on ahead of him. we have been blessed and dodge has really done a great job bring these kids along, putting all in a place where they can/ could be successful.Speaking of size, former BYU coach LaVell Edwards said he heard all about a great quarterback from Texas named Ty Detmer. He said when he first met him he looked more like Pewee Herman than a college quarterback. The Heisman Trophy came a couple of years later. Size usually matters but not always.

[implacable44]

yeah you need to up the prescription -- it is ineffective thus far. Stupidity is a hard disease to cure- momma should have taught you that.

[SLCDad]

negative. josh never played a down, in football anyway.Did I get the first name wrong? I could have sworn it was one of the Bell boys that played late in the SV game. In fact I remember hearing Bell over the sound system in the Alamodome.

[dragonsdaddy]

he was a jv qb that year. i don't remember him suiting up. the backup was ryan summers as noted above. the announcer may have said it, but he didn't play.

[dragonbuck]

McElroy is the first SLC QB to have so many D1 offers prior to the first game; moreover, he has all this with not even a single start under his belt. Like Dragon Dad said, McElroy has incredible passing skills and could very well play on Sundays with his mechanics and brains, and should be 230 by the end of college.. He moves pretty well as was demonstrated in last week's performance.

McEroy should be starting, but Riley brings a different dimension into the game when he enters - superior athleticism. Like was said earlier, everone knows that Riley is going to run when he is in the game, but stopping him is another matter. I look foreward to the game when they start expecting Riley to run 80% of the time, and he burns them with his strong arm.

I have not missed a game in 5 years, and I truly believe this team is functioning at a higher level after 2 games this year than in any recent year.

The loss of a stud CB with a broken ankle will hurt the D however.

[implacable44]

mcelroy wont be playing in the nfl -- he might play on sundays ---but not in the nfl

[drgnbkr]

Welcome back Buck..where ya been?..there just are'nt enough Carroll fans on this board!..... :D

[drgnbkr]

mcelroy wont be playing in the nfl -- he might play on sundays ---but not in the nfl

And thus, it is so..... :eek:

[southlake thug]

I am a fan of Riley and I don't want to take anything away from him, but I think it would be a totally differnt game if a team prepared just for him. As everyone may know, Greg and Riley are two completly different QB's. Riley can expose the weaknesses that the defense has as they try to contain Greg. Luckily SLC is fortunate to have two QBs that can play at a high level and that can play off of each other.
I just think that if defenses prepared for Riley's style of playing, he would not dominate like he is currently doing. But this is not meant to take away or criticize Riley in any way.

[implacable44]

or will it be the opposite because you said it. Did you learn how to read yet and digest that other post?

[southlake thug]

or will it be the opposite because you said it. Did you learn how to read yet and digest that other post?


Was that directed at me? or drgnbkr

[implacable44]

drgnbkr --sorry -- I am trying to make sure all the SLC guys hate me. I want to be #1 on the annoying list.

[dragonfootballfan]

drgnbkr --sorry -- I am trying to make sure all the SLC guys hate me. I want to be #1 on the annoying list.
I don't hate you, you have a different opinion than I do. Am I supposed to hate you for that? Do you hate me for that?

[implacable44]

I dont hate anybody but my mother in law man -- I will see all of you guys at the game tonight 0 I will have on the white and green Jordan shirt.

[dragonfootballfan]

I dont hate anybody but my mother in law man -- I will see all of you guys at the game tonight 0 I will have on the white and green Jordan shirt.
did we convert you? Or were you always a dragon at heart

[dragonbuck]

Welcome back Buck..where ya been?..there just are'nt enough Carroll fans on this board!..... :D

thanks. I have been around - mostly on other boards.

[dragons08]

did we convert you? Or were you always a dragon at heart
doubt we convereted him, he gives us dragon fans crap all the time!!! he has to wear green, so he dont get beat up

[implacable44]

what? - how about you tell me where to go and I will wear Red and gray for Judson and then you can try and beat me up ?- how you like them apples 08 ?

see how hard it is to like a dragon fan - they make stupid comments like 08. Cowardice.

anyway - I have stated many times I am a participant - not a fan base -but I root for them because of relationships.

[CoppellCowboy57]

Im going to a SLC game wearing all red :) jk, even i think im going to a slc in green, ill love to meet some of y'all in two or three weeks cause im def not going to the Coppell ET or Mac game, they'll be ugly

[dragons08]

what? - how about you tell me where to go and I will wear Red and gray for Judson and then you can try and beat me up ?- how you like them apples 08 ?

see how hard it is to like a dragon fan - they make stupid comments like 08. Cowardice.

anyway - I have stated many times I am a participant - not a fan base -but I root for them because of relationships.
it was a joke my friend, ya know? not wearing dragon colors sitting on the dragon side...thats why its hard to like you as well, dumb comments making fun of the dragons and their fans..

[dragons08]

Im going to a SLC game wearing all red :) jk, even i think im going to a slc in green, ill love to meet some of y'all in two or three weeks cause im def not going to the Coppell ET or Mac game, they'll be ugly
i think we play fossil ridge after the bye week, not sure though, i think its a home game as well, you should come and check that game out

[drgnbkr]

i think we play fossil ridge after the bye week, not sure though, i think its a home game as well, you should come and check that game out

Yeah, thats right..off week then Fridge @ home...