Katy v Southlake Pt II?

[TheProphet]

Sure Southlake is better than Katy, but hey, they were better in 2003 too. The question I ask is who has the best shot to make it to state? Southlake playing through the murderous Region I and II or Katy playing the likes of Memorial and Willowridge (the REAL best damn band in the land) in region III?

[TigerV1]

Sure Southlake is better than Katy, but hey, they were better in 2003 too. The question I ask is who has the best shot to make it to state? Southlake playing through the murderous Region I and II or Katy playing the likes of Memorial and Willowridge (the REAL best damn band in the land) in region III?

Hey, TheFalseProphet maybe you should let the season play out. Neither team has even started district.

[ktCarl]

Sure Southlake is better than Katy, but hey, they were better in 2003 too. The question I ask is who has the best shot to make it to state? Southlake playing through the murderous Region I and II or Katy playing the likes of Memorial and Willowridge (the REAL best damn band in the land) in region III?

The season is too early. Katy could go Div 1 this year and would have to then get by Westfield and/or North Shore. Div 1 is easier to get to State (only because you have 1 less game to play). For the same reason SLC would have a better chance to make it to State if they were Div 1.

Southlake was supposed to be better than Katy in 2003. We were the underdogs in the game and frankly, I didn't think Katy would advance to the quarter finals that year after watching the last two games of the season. Katy wasn't a bad team just not as good, I thought, as past teams. That's why the final outcome was so special. Those kids came together and showed a lot of character.

I agree with your comment on the Willowridge band. The best High School marching band I've ever seen.

[TheProphet]

the only way katy is going D1 is if mayde creek makes the playoffs, it doesnt take a prophet to knock out that theory...so if you arent interested in the post dont respond, it clearly left it open as to who you thought would challenge either team.

[SLC13]

Sure Southlake is better than Katy, but hey, they were better in 2003 too. The question I ask is who has the best shot to make it to state? Southlake playing through the murderous Region I and II or Katy playing the likes of Memorial and Willowridge (the REAL best damn band in the land) in region III?Can't speak much to Reg III, but I would expect you might find a pretty salty SV team waiting for Katy in the Semi's......

[KT2000]

Katy can go D1 if Katy Taylor/Alief Taylor/Strake Jesuit fill out the other two playoffs spots. It's very possible this year.

[AHSEagle10]

Sure Southlake is better than Katy, but hey, they were better in 2003 too. The question I ask is who has the best shot to make it to state? Southlake playing through the murderous Region I and II or Katy playing the likes of Memorial and Willowridge (the REAL best damn band in the land) in region III?

We will have to wait and find out but i think Carroll is going down this year.
Katy could beat they just have to play with heart and as a team.

Lets go any team that can beat south Lake .

[TheProphet]

my bad, i was under the impression that alief taylor was bigger than us. yeah it is possible when you put it that light, and man would that suck to go D1 with North Shore and Westfield, for real Chykie Brown is the fastest man in pads

[cougardude]

Hey, TheFalseProphet maybe you should let the season play out. Neither team has even started district.


AMEN!!! :rolleyes:

[dragonsdaddy]

We will have to wait and find out but i think Carroll is going down this year.
Katy could beat they just have to play with heart and as a team.

Lets go any team that can beat south Lake .
jealousy is such a negative emotion. hahahaha

[ktCarl]

the only way katy is going D1 is if mayde creek makes the playoffs, it doesnt take a prophet to knock out that theory...so if you arent interested in the post dont respond, it clearly left it open as to who you thought would challenge either team.

The Prophet doth speaketh.
Verily I say unto thee, if I were not interested, I would not have posteth.
But the Lord of this board hath also prophesied a possible Div. 1 birth for Katy.

Were you a player from the 2003 team?

[DragonNation]

Interestingly enough, looks like there is a small chance both the Dragons and the Tigers could go Div. 1

[dragons08]

i was just thinking.....instead of worrying about who goes D1 and D2 and what not, the UIL just make on division and have less teams...oh wait that wont work, it makes wayyyyyyyy to much sense..

[Slim-Rob]

i was just thinking.....instead of worrying about who goes D1 and D2 and what not, the UIL just make on division and have less teams...oh wait that wont work, it makes wayyyyyyyy to much sense..

We need a AAAAAA class, but that wouldn't work because of the long distance travel for district play. But boy it would be awesome.

[dragons08]

We need a AAAAAA class, but that wouldn't work because of the long distance travel for district play. But boy it would be awesome.
good idea, but then you cant play carroll! i'll stick with my idea :D

[LeanderLions3033]

Sure Southlake is better than Katy, but hey, they were better in 2003 too.

How can you say that with any logic. Obviously in 2003 as the season progressed, by the time the state championship rolled along Katy was the better team.

[svrangerfan]

Katy was the better team on the one day that mattered. If they played 10 times slc would have won their share.

SV is farther along this year than in years past. Our defense looks great and the offense and kicking game will get fixed. I don't know if we will be ready for Judson but we will be ready for the playoffs. We have beaten Katy in the past but they are a great program year in and year out so beating them again won't be easy.

[PurpleNation]

Lufkin enough said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just playing maybe we can throw that picture off a just a lil bit.

[KT2000]

Way too early to be thinking about the destination, even for fans like us who have nothing to worry about except where the pre/post game festivities are going to be at. Learn to enjoy the journey or you'll miss out on a heck of a lot of gratification if or when the time does come to play for championships.

[BigFanSLC]

SLC teams from 2002 rank as follows...
1. 2002
2. 2004
3. 2005
4. 2003

the 2003 team lost to Katy bc the 2003 team wasnt good. yes they had great Junior players but the senior class that year was just kinda riding the success from the 2002 year adn thinking that every game is won before they got on the field. it showed in the state game against Katy. Katy was very good and knew how to stop SLC but i think this year the 2005 team has too mayn weapons on O to be stopped.

[mad_fan]

Sure Southlake is better than Katy, but hey, they were better in 2003 too. The question I ask is who has the best shot to make it to state? Southlake playing through the murderous Region I and II or Katy playing the likes of Memorial and Willowridge (the REAL best damn band in the land) in region III?

prophecy...Region IV doesnt even make the question...? :confused:

Katy wins region III and goes to state!?

[TheProphet]

mad fan you know what im sorry, Smithson Valley could certainly beat katy. they have as a matter of fact, but no ktcarl i wasnt a player on the 2003 team, i basically was just interested in what yall thought the state final could be, hence the ? at the end of the thread. the whole D1/D2 thing really mixes it up, helps southlake, hurts katy, but purple nation is right lufkin is right up in there. its just lufkin playoff record in correlation with talent is rather low. i know yall won state reggies senior year, but im referring to that north garland debacle (sp?) in 03 i believe. I don't know southlake has lufkin, longview, tyler lee, and plenty of others to worry about...so does katy...just something i thought could make for interesting conversation during katys week off i guess

[mad_fan]

oh, there was a question in there. (couldnt get passed the disregard of 1/4 of the state). my thought...slc handles region I and II...sa madison rises up to dominate region IV, and t. green runs over slc in the state championship game. but it is early. :rolleyes:

[drgnbkr]

I'm sorry...t. green?

[SVLOI83]

oh, there was a question in there. (couldnt get passed the disregard of 1/4 of the state). my thought...slc handles region I and II...sa madison rises up to dominate region IV, and t. green runs over slc in the state championship game. but it is early. :rolleyes:
SA Madison? in Region IV? hmmm...I'm thinkin that its not gonna happen, not with all the other big boys in town.

[TheProphet]

has aynone in region 4 other than judson or westlake ever won a title? just wondering

[dragonsdaddy]

another sa team won the d-2 title in the 90's along with coju. that's it though.

[SmilinTiger]

another sa team won the d-2 title in the 90's along with coju. that's it though.

S.A. Roosevelt won D-2 in 1995.

[nate]

Katy beats whoever wins Reg. IV this year. I was at the previous game v. SV. Katy wins that game if the offensive coordinator doesn't go crazy at the end. But no biggie, SV got whooped the next week, so...

[SmilinTiger]

Katy beats whoever wins Reg. IV this year. I was at the previous game v. SV. Katy wins that game if the offensive coordinator doesn't go crazy at the end. But no biggie, SV got whooped the next week, so...

I just had a good friend move into Argyle. He and I were both at that same Katy-SV game in '02.

What kind of football ya'll have around there?

[nate]

2A. Spread offense. Pretty good team, but not near as much fun as watching 5A football. Too close to Southlake.

[drgnbkr]

I just had a good friend move into Argyle. He and I were both at that same Katy-SV game in '02.

What kind of football ya'll have around there?

Good basketball program...

[SLCDad]

SLC teams from 2002 rank as follows...
1. 2002
2. 2004
3. 2005
4. 2003

the 2003 team lost to Katy bc the 2003 team wasnt good. yes they had great Junior players but the senior class that year was just kinda riding the success from the 2002 year adn thinking that every game is won before they got on the field. it showed in the state game against Katy. Katy was very good and knew how to stop SLC but i think this year the 2005 team has too mayn weapons on O to be stopped.Katy beat SLC because they had a great team and Katy has a great program. They controlled the ball and the tempo of the game. SLC would LOVE a rematch.

SLC lost in 2003 due to a missed FG but won in 2004 because a FG was made.

[implacable44]

wow - imagine that - bigfanslc ranks the SLC teams with the 2003 team that lost state as the worst one - how fitting - much props to Katy - you beat the worst SLC 5a team ever for state. Kind of funny that this years team - with 8 D1 signees is ranked as the second worst 5a team ever from SLC - that way Bigfan is covered should they lose - way to think ahead buddy. way to think ahead.

[Fleeman93]

In my opinion they lost in 2003 because of the interception. They had a nice drive going with plenty of time to get back into FG range, and I don't think Hartley would have missed again.

[implacable44]

no dude - they lost because they were the worst 5a team ever

[SLCDad]

In my opinion they lost in 2003 because of the interception. They had a nice drive going with plenty of time to get back into FG range, and I don't think Hartley would have missed again.Yep could be. Katy made the play. SLC didn't. You've got to make plays to win games.

[Fleeman93]

no dude - they lost because they were the worst 5a team ever

I don't think that SLC team was the worst team ever. I mean they were playing in the championship game. :rolleyes:

[implacable44]

hey BIGFAN SLC said they were the worst 5a team ever at southlake.

[SLCDRGN]

Katy won that game in 2003 with ball control, timely passing, tuff defense and a little luck. I think the best team that day was Katy. If those teams were to have played a series, I believe SLC would have won 7 out of 10 times, however. Even after the loss, I still felt that game was one of the best ever!!

[ALLIN]

Plac, you sure talk a lot of crap about SLC and their fans. IF they win the title again, I hope you are the first one on here EATING your words, I doubt that though, it is probably not in your character.

[SLCDad]

Plac, you sure talk a lot of crap about SLC and their fans. IF they win the title again, I hope you are the first one on here EATING your words, I doubt that though, it is probably not in your character.Sadly, that's about all Implac does. Very little original content in his posts.

[implacable44]

Allin -if you had any sense you would see that I am not the one talking crap - I pointed out a comment that BIGFAN SLC made - that the 2003 team was the worst 5a team SLC ever had - which I disagree with and if you paid attention you would see I dont talk crap about SLC and I hope that they do win the DIv II state title and Judson wins the DI title. - but since you are either too ignorant or the wording is too difficult for you to comprehend - i expect too much

SLCDad - very little original content in my posts - as opposed to yours - each and everyone that is nothing but a regurgitation of information that you like to distort to your benefit to make a point that doesn't exist and doesn't need to be made. You are humorous to me and sadly you are somewhat akin to thost anti groups that publish bogus, false and misleading information regarding our church. Hopefully one day integrity will mean something to you.

[SLCDad]

Allin -if you had any sense you would see that I am not the one talking crap - I pointed out a comment that BIGFAN SLC made - that the 2003 team was the worst 5a team SLC ever had - which I disagree with and if you paid attention you would see I dont talk crap about SLC and I hope that they do win the DIv II state title and Judson wins the DI title. - but since you are either too ignorant or the wording is too difficult for you to comprehend - i expect too much

SLCDad - very little original content in my posts - as opposed to yours - each and everyone that is nothing but a regurgitation of information that you like to distort to your benefit to make a point that doesn't exist and doesn't need to be made. You are humorous to me and sadly you are somewhat akin to thost anti groups that publish bogus, false and misleading information regarding our church. Hopefully one day integrity will mean something to you. LOL Name ONE.

[ALLIN]

It is not the fact that you are talking crap, but you ALWAYS try to find contradictions in posts of SLC supporters, so you can say "see i told ya so, you guys are dumb, SLC is not perfect" Give it a rest, go to thread about your team and not SLC threads. You sit there and say, oh I like Sl, they are good, but then spend every waking hour trying to one up them. WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR THOUGHTS OF US. If you wanna talk football and not bring people down to your level then we can do that, until then I am done with you. " never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience!"

[KT2000]

This thread is at least 7 weeks pre-mature.

Southlake's 5A record is now 50-1. I think that says all that needs to be said about that. They haven't had a worst anything since they've joined 5A really.

Even in the loss, they competed well and are one of the only teams I've seen stand up to Katy's style of play for four quarters and maintain their strength. As always mental errors are a huge part of any game, and Southlake had the big ones go against them that day.

Who knows where either team will end up later this year, but right now both are 3-0 and looking pretty good.

[implacable44]

hey worst case scenario SLCdad - I will keep with my unorignal posts and just bash since that is all I do. not a compliment to be find nay a positive word anywhere and you and ALLIN and his illiterate buddies can continue to make unfounded and ridiculous comments based on their misinterpreation or inability to comprehend the simple and plain english in my posts.

and you - you will keep posting about how 3a victories mean the same as 5a victories so SLC is the best 5a football team in the land or how a montly cost of a stadium is ammortized over 30 years at 0% interest so it is really cost effective despite the budget problems that exist in the Carroll ISD or maybe you can make a statement every now and then about how unoriginal my thoughts are etc. - life will go on - football will be played and discussed and the truth will set us all free.

[implacable44]

allin - do you argue with yourself a lot - one of your 5 or 6 schitzo personalities ? must be tough with all of them being idiots so you are constantly bashing yourself.

nobody is perfect and i dont bash - I am a realist and you like to make outlandish and ridiculous comments and i like to point out inaccuracies of people such as yourself with your silly comments and observations that are way off base. Please be done with me so I will have one less idiot to fight. like you said - you can't battle stupid - stupid always wins because stupid can't understand the intelligent truth. and you my friend -- always win.

[SLCDad]

allin - do you argue with yourself a lot - one of your 5 or 6 schitzo personalities ? must be tough with all of them being idiots so you are constantly bashing yourself.

nobody is perfect and i dont bash - I am a realist and you like to make outlandish and ridiculous comments and i like to point out inaccuracies of people such as yourself with your silly comments and observations that are way off base. Please be done with me so I will have one less idiot to fight. like you said - you can't battle stupid - stupid always wins because stupid can't understand the intelligent truth. and you my friend -- always win.Implac usually resorts to name calling and self justification. (See above: You are an idiot and schitzo and make rediculous comments. However, I'm a realist and am the only one that can understand intelligent truth.) LOL

[implacable44]

actually I respond - I don't initiate.

[dragonfootballfan]

Implac,

If the 2003 team was not SLC's worst 5A team, then which one is? Which one do you think the best SLC 5A was?

[implacable44]

all right- here we go - we will try this one last time- Dragon football fan- I have only said this 5 times now. BIGFAN SLC was the one who said the 2003 was the worst team and the 2005 or current team is the 2nd worst team or is his words he ranks them (bigfanSLC words: )
1.2002
2.2004
3.2005
4.2003

as for which one is the worst team - how do you measure that? I mean the '03 team had Luna on it right - how could it be the worst with Luna ? Chase was QB - you went undefeated all year until Katy beat you. I mean it is all opinion - I just found it funny that he thinks the team that lost was the worst one - and then he has the '05 team as the third best so just in case they lose they will already be ranked accordingly. I dont see how this team with all these D1 players can be ranked so low.

[katyrecsquad6]

How can you say that with any logic. Obviously in 2003 as the season progressed, by the time the state championship rolled along Katy was the better team.
Thats does make sense a lil bit dont you think

[KT2000]

I just don't see how anyone could rank the Carroll 5A teams against one another. There's no point really. They've all been awesome and very worthy to play for championships.

[implacable44]

I agree -- unless you are saying something like - " katy beat the worst team we have ever fielded in 5a" - which is silly. that was a good team - they havent had a bad one - maybe they are all 1, 1a, 1b, 1c or something. They havent had a bad 5a team yet at SLC and to rank them with the losing team being the worst is weak.

[SLCDad]

I agree -- unless you are saying something like - " katy beat the worst team we have ever fielded in 5a" - which is silly. that was a good team - they havent had a bad one - maybe they are all 1, 1a, 1b, 1c or something. They havent had a bad 5a team yet at SLC and to rank them with the losing team being the worst is weak.Absolutely right. Not only that, it's insulting to Katy. Like most Katy teams the 2003 version was very, very good.

[TheProphet]

Wait, now fellow katy fans, please stop making us look stupid. Lets remember southlake's kicked missed a 0 yard field goal before half time that would have won in for them right there. i mean straight up, southlake had the better team, but thats really moot, cause katy won. this year, southlake has the better team, no doubt. but if they make mistakes katy will beat them because katy isnt prone to making mistakes. last year baylor beat A&M 35-34, did baylor have a better team? no, they caught the breaks and capitalized. last year clear lake beat katy 36-35, did clear lake have the better team? no...god no...southlake has had this immaculate talent pool since coming to 5A, and since 97 katy has had great talent all around as well. as we learned in 01 with katy, theres no such thing as "program" without "talent"

[dragonsdaddy]

the missed fg was with around 5 minutes left in the game. it would have made for a 9 point lead at that time. i'm not sure slc had the better team. a series of games would have been pretty close. kt could have won handily had they been able to convert some of their drives into pts, esp the late 1st half fg that was never attempted, and the 4th down stop. i think that one became pts with the blocked punt.

[TheProphet]

o thats true dragonsdaddy...it does seem like SLC made uncharacteristic mistakes though...a mistake free SLC game would have yielded a 2-3 TD win wouldnt you say? o wel, its all heresay now...

[ktchamp97]

Prophet,

Katy created a large majority of those mistakes by putting constant pressure on Daniel. Much the same as Carroll had alot to do with Katy not being able to convert several red zone opportunities into TD's. That's why all that matters is the final score. Turnovers are a part of the game.

[DragonFan]

Would have, could have, should have! SLC vs Katy was a great game all around with great plays made on both sides. If Daniel runs the ball instead of throwing the int then SLC has a chance to win. If SLC blocks on the punt then Katy does not get a short field score due to a blocked punt.

Katy won a great game, and also won the half time show as well. I loved the bunk bed bit with the Katy dance team!

I agree that if they played 10 games that SLC would have won at least 8 but for that game Katy was the best and nothing else matters. SLC has been blessed with great talent, great coaching and great fan suppport.

I am a fan of High School football and that game ranks up there with one of the best I had seen, until last year when the SLC-Lufkin, SLC-Abilene, and SLC-SV games came back to back to back!

[nate]

Katy would win 10 of 10 given a neutral field and officiating. They were stronger, better conditioned and smarter. And also battle-tested. The Tigers were, and still are, everything that SLC does not want to face in a big game.

That, and Gary Joseph is a better DC than Todd Dodge is an OC. And Mike Johnston is in another league altogether. To see Coach Dodge just shake his head after the game in amazement was truly enjoyable.

But its just my opinion.

[RidgePride]

Katy would win 10 of 10 given a neutral field and officiating. They were stronger, better conditioned and smarter. And also battle-tested. The Tigers were, and still are, everything that SLC does not want to face in a big game.

That, and Gary Joseph is a better DC than Todd Dodge is an OC. And Mike Johnston is in another league altogether. To see Coach Dodge just shake his head after the game in amazement was truly enjoyable.

But its just my opinion.
You must not have seen the game.

SLC was the better team that year.

Just Like I think that Lufkin was better than SLC when Southlake won it all the first time.

[SmilinTiger]

You must not have seen the game.

SLC was the better team that year.

Just Like I think that Lufkin was better than SLC when Southlake won it all the first time.

Thinkin is one thing..........reality another.

[STJL41]

Katy would win 10 of 10 given a neutral field and officiating. They were stronger, better conditioned and smarter. And also battle-tested. The Tigers were, and still are, everything that SLC does not want to face in a big game.

That's just a crazy as the guy before you saying SLC would have won 8 out of 10. We have no way of knowing how these scenarios would turn out. On any given daym, either of the teams could have won. I honestly can't believe we are having a discussion about Katy v. SLC at State when it's still so early in the season.

[dragonsdaddy]

well, we have evolved into rererererererediscussing an actual event. no more productive, but even more explosive, by history of these discussions anyway.

[KT2000]

I never understand how some of this stuff comes back up.

[ktCarl]

WOW!! The 2003 State Final is history!! It was a great game played by two of the best teams in Texas that year. I don't know about you other SLC/Katy fans but I'm gearing up for the 2005 District run!

[dragonsdaddy]

coming from a die hard slc fan, i'm willing to use the age old argument to end all arguments-scoreboard. i am looking forward to whittling it down again, starting next week for most of the teams.