Southlake Carroll

[PurpleNation]

I dont know what it is you drink or eat down there but last season when I stepped on the field against them they were just big and fast. It's unbelievable what they have accomplished in 3 years in 5A. Now Euless Trinity we all know is explosive as well but they can not win a shoot out with SLC nobody has. Trinity still has to prove them self as a defensive team before I think they can knock off SLC. A team that in my mind right now that should be #1 is Longview they are the most complete team in Texas right now and they can actually grind the clock and score on SLC this would be an interesting matchup (Man do I hope my Pack can get away from them in the playoff's) Im not downing Euless Trinity but the best team to compete against SLC is Longview, and in my mind is a better team the SLC. This is alot coming from a Lufkin fan. The only thing that could hurt Longview is if they have already maxed out there team Potential and it Happened to them last season. The best team in Texas found themselves loosing another one to Lufkin. On the other hand SLC is a proven winner and no matter what they will come to play catch for 4 quarters and if your defense isnt there neither will your fans by half time.

PurpleNations Top 5

1. Longview
2. Southlake Carrol
3. Westfield
4. Tyler Lee
5. Euless Trinity

[dragonsdaddy]

pn, thanks for the words. i've got a bone to pick, and it's concerning the pack. they have lv in a headlock, and until that's broken, i don't see the lv-slc matchup as a possibility.

[LPFAN]

pn, thanks for the words. i've got a bone to pick, and it's concerning the pack. they have lv in a headlock, and until that's broken, i don't see the lv-slc matchup as a possibility.
I don't see Longview as #1 either. Maybe at the end of the season they will end up that way but for now it is SLC.

[pack0808]

I dont know what it is you drink or eat down there but last season when I stepped on the field against them they were just big and fast. It's unbelievable what they have accomplished in 3 years in 5A. Now Euless Trinity we all know is explosive as well but they can not win a shoot out with SLC nobody has. Trinity still has to prove them self as a defensive team before I think they can knock off SLC. A team that in my mind right now that should be #1 is Longview they are the most complete team in Texas right now and they can actually grind the clock and score on SLC this would be an interesting matchup (Man do I hope my Pack can get away from them in the playoff's) Im not downing Euless Trinity but the best team to compete against SLC is Longview, and in my mind is a better team the SLC. This is alot coming from a Lufkin fan. The only thing that could hurt Longview is if they have already maxed out there team Potential and it Happened to them last season. The best team in Texas found themselves loosing another one to Lufkin. On the other hand SLC is a proven winner and no matter what they will come to play catch for 4 quarters and if your defense isnt there neither will your fans by half time.

PurpleNations Top 5

1. Longview
2. Southlake Carrol
3. Westfield
4. Tyler Lee
5. Euless Trinity


Way to have confidence in your team?? :rolleyes: Lord that was nauseating!! Not trying to be rude but it was. The last time i checked Lufkin looks much more athletic as a team if you are going by physical aspects then SLC and most would not argue that?? The div1a recruits have proven that over the past several seasons. Hardly any in the state has had more then Lufkin in the past 2 seasons. Not to mention Lufkin is always in the top 3 in team speed at least. You also have no credibility with logical fans when you say Longview is way over Lufkin when we all know ( I am not going there again) what recent history tells us what happens when those 2 play. SLC is a special team without a doubt but please do not act like they ran Lufkin out of the building. Both games were not decided until the final seconds. Considering you played for Lufkin recently that post was a let down a little. The players i know and have talked to have the ultimate confidence that they can bring home a ring every year and expect to win every game. That is how it should be when you have a great program. If you are in aww of another team you have no chance. Many are in awe of the Pack when they play them and the Panthers fear nobody. In the meantime please dust the Longview and SLC dirt off your knee's. ;) Are you really from Lufkin??

[Favpack]

I always say let the young men have their take. PN - if you were on the field last year in Waco - you saw a great SLC team that was a batted pass away from going home. I still say that, if Lufkin scores 6 on that last play they go for two. Lane-train at qb - it would have taken about 15 Dragons to keep him out of the zone ;)

But, that was last year - maybe we get another crack at 'em this year. That is an eternity away right now. And, I do agree any road for anyone to SLC will most likely run through Longview this year.

[drgnbkr]

When the top eight teams in 5-A start getting together in the playoffs, very little seperates them. D-1 athletes or not, it comes down to coaching & execution, and from the quarters on the teams have that. Until Longview shows that they can get by Lufkin, they should be rated behind Lufkin......

[c-lisle]

I dont know what it is you drink or eat down there but last season when I stepped on the field against them they were just big and fast. It's unbelievable what they have accomplished in 3 years in 5A. Now Euless Trinity we all know is explosive as well but they can not win a shoot out with SLC nobody has. Trinity still has to prove them self as a defensive team before I think they can knock off SLC. A team that in my mind right now that should be #1 is Longview they are the most complete team in Texas right now and they can actually grind the clock and score on SLC this would be an interesting matchup (Man do I hope my Pack can get away from them in the playoff's) Im not downing Euless Trinity but the best team to compete against SLC is Longview, and in my mind is a better team the SLC. This is alot coming from a Lufkin fan. The only thing that could hurt Longview is if they have already maxed out there team Potential and it Happened to them last season. The best team in Texas found themselves loosing another one to Lufkin. On the other hand SLC is a proven winner and no matter what they will come to play catch for 4 quarters and if your defense isnt there neither will your fans by half time.

PurpleNations Top 5

1. Longview
2. Southlake Carrol
3. Westfield
4. Tyler Lee
5. Euless Trinity

Thanks for the props and the respect. You said that great. Lview is a complete team this year and as long as we can keep the injury bug away I expect to be in that semi game playing SLC. Unless Ivory breaks his hand again and coach plays him Lview beats LP this year. It is hard to argue against it. I too would love to see Lview vs. SLC this year, it's my second most anticipated match-up of the year. We can control the clock with our run game and not allow them to run the score up with 80 yard bombs every play. I saw the thread that talked about Outlaw copmmenting about his defense all having sub 4.7 speed. Well Longview's D is just as fast, but LP has the advantage in the secondary. All three are great teams and any two of them playing will be a great team.

[implacable44]

Since when did accomplishments at the D1 level or NFL or any level beyond highschool for that matter - indicate which school had a better highschool football team ? You can have a good highschool team -- one that wins state with little to no D1 representation. Highschool is just about the last place where the team can overcome the one because the talent is so dilluted and lots of kids haven't fully developed yet. This years SLC squad has plenty of D1 representation - maybe some of them will do great things and maybe they won't do anything at all. College is a different game no matter what sport you play- that is when it truly becomes work. But for now the Dragons - D1 results are irrelevant when it comes to Highschool results. That is why I think some of these posts are funny like - best receiver in the state - and then people begin to talk about D1 potential or pro potential well the poll should be about best Highschool receiver in the state and that is it. D1 potential should be irrelevant. - Potential gets you nothing unless you realize it and who knows if that will ever happen? - reward results not hopes.

[pack0808]

The excuses are enough to make anybody hurl. I am holding and almost biting my tongue!! :D I will be quiet for once because it will go on and on and on. Next subject!! :rolleyes:

[pack0808]

Since when did accomplishments at the D1 level or NFL or any level beyond highschool for that matter - indicate which school had a better highschool football team ? You can have a good highschool team -- one that wins state with little to no D1 representation. Highschool is just about the last place where the team can overcome the one because the talent is so dilluted and lots of kids haven't fully developed yet. This years SLC squad has plenty of D1 representation - maybe some of them will do great things and maybe they won't do anything at all. College is a different game no matter what sport you play- that is when it truly becomes work. But for now the Dragons - D1 results are irrelevant when it comes to Highschool results. That is why I think some of these posts are funny like - best receiver in the state - and then people begin to talk about D1 potential or pro potential well the poll should be about best Highschool receiver in the state and that is it. D1 potential should be irrelevant. - Potential gets you nothing unless you realize it and who knows if that will ever happen? - reward results not hopes.


Implacable i assume you are talking to me?? If you would take some reading comprehension classes you will see why i stated that. He said he was in awww of how big and fast SLC was. I thought it was clear both times that Lufkin had the superior athletes in terms of their physical aspects and almost nobody would argue that outside of SLC. Not saying SLC does not have great athletes either. I never said that made Lufkin the better team because it is obvious it did not because they lost 2 close games to them in 3 years. I do not pile up the excuses like some fans from some teams (they wear green) do. (Rclisle cough cough) I admit slc was the better team. On the best wr or when talking about the best player at a position, Why would it be unusual to tell somebody when they are having a debate that a player is a bluechip recruit?? You know how many times i heard that about Mcelroy?? I believe that is how you spell?? The best wr in the nation could be on a team that runs 90 percent of the time for all we know. M Kelley from Longview was considered the best wr a few years ago by college recruiters but you would never know that by his stats. He was on a team that ran the ball a lot. The same goes for this TE last year from one of the Alief schools. It is hard to prove you are the best if you do not have the chances. SLC is the best team in the state and nation until proven other wise and nobody is arguing that!! I was making a point in terms of physical athletes because of his comment and i promise you that i am telling you the truth about the div1a athletes. Lufkin has had by far more div1a recruits in the last few years then SLC. No it does not make them a better team. If that was the case Desoto would have won it last year because they had the most Div 1a recruits. I was just making a point. It takes coaching, chemistry, and yes talent to win championships not just talent. We all know that.

[drgnbkr]

Coach Ledbetter our old coach at Carroll, used to say that every week we played teams with better athletes...all he cared about was having more points at the end of the game...we usually did...

[implacable44]

actually i was talking to everyone - hence the refference to silly threads about best this and best that and college always comes into play -- it should be highschool based not potential.

Reading comprehension ? Was that a joke - are you questioning my ability to read and reason ?

As far as speed goes - Mckay runs a 4.4 on a laser I think - Clint has to have about the same speed - well if you listen to the faithful he might run a 4.2 - but the Dragons have as much speed at the skill positions as anyone I have seen. I fail to see your point about atleticism ? The dragons all seem pretty athletic to me - it wouldn't be an incognito race card you refer to would it ?

[LP Pride]

I don't think it's too hard to argue. LView will have a tough enough time staying unbeaten and injury free in district play. Lee will be a force, and JT is quickly improving and they know each other very well. To say that LView inarguably beats beat LP at this point in the season is kind of nuts and without merit. Unless you are basing this all on a meaningless scrimmage? I really think that both teams have great respect for each other, and it's still way to early. LP knows that LView is gunning for them and SLC knows LP wants another crack. But there are many other very good 5A clubs out there that can take it the distance if they are hungry enough and get some breaks along the way. HS Football is chock full of both over and under achievers, that is why HS Football is so exciting, frustrating, and unpredictable to watch at times. :D

SLC and Tyler Lee are defending champs and yet to be uncrowned. IMO, they should have the nudge until proven otherwise. Preseason rankings mean very little and can sometimes actually work against you, ask the 2002 Panthers. :(

Fumbles, injuries, no pass-no play, etc. are all part of the game that great teams have to work around. Woulda, coudla, shoulda, only an excuse found when on the losing end. ;)

I agree LV does appear to have a strong senior-led team, but I think your putting the cart way before the horse. I wish Lview good luck on their season and really do hope we meet again this year, that'll mean both teams had successful seasons. :rolleyes:

Go Pack!!!

[drgnbkr]

I referred to our old coach, Bob Ledbetter, who put the Carroll program on the map...Coach Dodge has not said the same things, and obviously as a 5-A school, Carroll has more traditional athletes than in the old 3-A days...with this year probably yielding the largest crop of college bound players in the schools history.

[implacable44]

or you read someone elses comment and decided it made sense and that your post stated that you drgnbkr conceded that the SLC squad does not have many athletes and so you changed your story to fit accordingly

[drgnbkr]

or you read someone elses comment and decided it made sense and that your post stated that you drgnbkr conceded that the SLC squad does not have many athletes and so you changed your story to fit accordingly

Whatever makes you feel good plac..thats what this boards all about right? Making sure your happy with all of your odd opinions.... :eek:

[implacable44]

yeah my opinions are odd as compared to yours that are all green all the time -- best everything. anything that is not in line with Dragon this or Dragon that is odd in that world -- then call me odd.

truth hurts huh ?

actually I think we have pretty much determined that this has become the SLCDRAGONS.com board.

[LPFAN]

The excuses are enough to make anybody hurl. I am holding and almost biting my tongue!! :D I will be quiet for once because it will go on and on and on. Next subject!! :rolleyes:
Tell me about it! :eek: All I can say is just let it go.(Not you P0808) This is a new season. Just talk to me about final results, not would of, could of , should of last year or this year. Don't tell me what your team can or will do. Let me just see it. Results speak louder then words.

[c-lisle]

Tell me about it! :eek: All I can say is just let it go.(Not you P0808) This is a new season. Just talk to me about final results, not would of, could of , should of last year or this year. Don't tell me what your team can or will do. Let me just see it. Results speak louder then words.


Results...Lview's got them. We've taken down two state ranked teams already this season and have a shot to take down another one when we face Lee. Actually WM is stated ranked and I've seen them #50 ona national poll. That's 3 state ranked teams. But it doesn't mean anything if we don't beat Lufkin this year.

Ok want to talk about this season....Longview has a virtually unstoppable offense and a D that rivals any in the state and experience to boot. This year's team is alot like the 97' team...but it seems that team was a dream team. This year's team is just full of alot of friends that work hard and I know Lufkin fans don't want to hear it but they will do anything to beat Lufkin.... and have all the tools to do it. Remember we are talking about this year so don't start talking about the past when you respond to this post.

[LPFAN]

Results...Lview's got them. We've taken down two state ranked teams already this season and have a shot to take down another one when we face Lee. Actually WM is stated ranked and I've seen them #50 ona national poll. That's 3 state ranked teams. But it doesn't mean anything if we don't beat Lufkin this year.

Ok want to talk about this season....Longview has a virtually unstoppable offense and a D that rivals any in the state and experience to boot. This year's team is alot like the 97' team...but it seems that team was a dream team. This year's team is just full of alot of friends that work hard and I know Lufkin fans don't want to hear it but they will do anything to beat Lufkin.... and have all the tools to do it. Remember we are talking about this year so don't start talking about the past when you respond to this post.
I am talking about final results. As in the end of the season. I know ya'll are a great team and have won your first two games. It is not hard to understand what I posted. You can take out Lufkin, and SLC but winning the state championship is what I am talking about. It is that simple. Longview has the potential to do it but like I said, talk to me about the final results. Then you will deserve all the credit and congratulations from me and the rest of the state. I am not too proud to congratulate a great team like Longview once they prove they can win it all. But untill then every win that you have so far is just a win. The state title win is the most important one of all. Is it that hard for you to realize that no matter how great your team is that nothing is guaranteed? Freaky things happen in Texas 5A football.

[c-lisle]

I am talking about final results. As in the end of the season. I know ya'll are a great team and have won your first two games. It is not hard to understand what I posted. You can take out Lufkin, and SLC but winning the state championship is what I am talking about. It is that simple. Longview has the potential to do it but like I said, talk to me about the final results. Then you will deserve all the credit and congratulations from me and the rest of the state. I am not too proud to congratulate a great team like Longview once they prove they can win it all. But untill then every win that you have so far is just a win. The state title win is the most important one of all. Is it that hard for you to realize that no matter how great your team is that nothing is guaranteed? Freaky things happen in 5A football.

Read my other posts and you will see that I realize it is a long season and that many things can happen over its course. We have proven we can win a state championship....just like your panthers, so I think we do deserve some credit.

[dragonsdaddy]

dang it, i must have slept thru that state title run. remind me so i can go watch some tapes or dvd's of the highlights of the title run for lview.

[c-lisle]

dang it, i must have slept thru that state title run. remind me so i can go watch some tapes or dvd's of the highlights of the title run for lview.

It's pretty funny you Lview haters try to discredit our State Title because it was 68 yrs ago. Well I guess we can just throw them all out if Lview's doesn't count. And Lview has continued to show it has the ability to play with all the premier programs over the years. I don't know what it will take for us to get the respect we deserve...maybe beating your Dragons might earn us some respect.

[LPFAN]

Read my other posts and you will see that I realize it is a long season and that many things can happen over its course. We have proven we can win a state championship....just like your panthers, so I think we do deserve some credit.
You said not to talk about the past. So are you referring to Longview's championship from a long time ago and Lufkin's from 2001? What I am saying is the past doesn't matter and even your current 2 game win streak does not guarantee a state title. How can you prove that you can win a state championship this year by winning 2 games? Keep in mind I am talking about winning it all this season. The only way Lufkin can prove it can win a state championship this year is by actually doing it. Other then that all they can do is prove they are a good team. That is what Longview has done so far, proved that they are a great team. If and when you can prove that Longview can win the state title THIS YEAR by actually winning the game then I will say that you have proven that you could win the title this year. And I will gladly tell you and your buddies congratulations. Very simple huh!

[LPFAN]

It's pretty funny you Lview haters try to discredit our State Title because it was 68 yrs ago. Well I guess we can just throw them all out if Lview's doesn't count. And Lview has continued to show it has the ability to play with all the premier programs over the years. I don't know what it will take for us to get the respect we deserve...maybe beating your Dragons might earn us some respect.
Why is it when you say anything about someone else's team it is ok but if someone says anything about your team they are called haters? You say not to talk about the past but then you go and refer to a past title. When someone refers to your comment as meaning the present you refer to the past and you call them a hater? :confused:

[SLCDad]

It's pretty funny you Lview haters try to discredit our State Title because it was 68 yrs ago.If I recall, wasn't Santa Anna the opposing QB?

[c-lisle]

You said not to talk about the past. So are you referring to Longview's championship from a long time ago and Lufkin's from 2001? What I am saying is the past doesn't matter and even your current 2 game win streak does not guarantee a state title. How can you prove that you can win a state championship this year by winning 2 games? Keep in mind I am talking about winning it all this season. The only way Lufkin can prove it can win a state championship this year is by actually doing it. Other then that all they can do is prove they are a good team. That is what Longview has done so far, proved that they are a great team. If and when you can prove that Longview can win the state title THIS YEAR by actually winning the game then I will say that you have proven that you could win the title this year. And I will gladly tell you and your buddies congratulations. Very simple huh!

Sounds good to me. You said "when Lview proves they can win a championshiop you would congratulate them." Very easy for that statement to be misconstrued.

[dragonsdaddy]

It's pretty funny you Lview haters try to discredit our State Title because it was 68 yrs ago. Well I guess we can just throw them all out if Lview's doesn't count. And Lview has continued to show it has the ability to play with all the premier programs over the years. I don't know what it will take for us to get the respect we deserve...maybe beating your Dragons might earn us some respect.
there's plenty of respect, so much so that i hate to hear someone detract from these kids by giving them credit for something that none of the coaches were even alive for. i'm pretty sure there aren't a lot of the present day team who can relate to the leather helmeted guys in the tin type on the trophy shelf. don't see anyone disrespecting anyone else, just expecting that until lview seals the deal, in facemasks, they will stay on the outside looking in.

[LPFAN]

Longview has alot of respect from me and alot of Lufkin fans. But all the wins against "nationally and state ranked" teams will not give you the kind of respect you want from others around the state until you win the title this year. Besides, it is not like you really need anyone's respect to be the great Lobo team that you are. Ya'll are great no matter if you have others respect or not. You don't have to prove to me or alot of others on this site that Longview is a great team. I already know it and so do a bunch of others on this site. The only thing we want to see is if you will win it all this year. I know it is very possible but not guaranteed.

[drgnbkr]

Longview has alot of respect from me and alot of Lufkin fans. But all the wins against "nationally and state ranked" teams will not give you the kind of respect you want from others around the state untill you win the title this year. Besides, it is not like you really need anyone's respect to be the great Lobo team that you are. Ya'll are great no matter if you have others respect or not. You don't have to prove to me or alot of others on this site that Longview is a great team. I already know it and so do a bunch of others on this site. The only thing we want to see is if you will win it all this year. I know it is very possible but not guaranteed.


I don't want to see them win it all this year.... ;)

[c-lisle]

there's plenty of respect, so much so that i hate to hear someone detract from these kids by giving them credit for something that none of the coaches were even alive for. i'm pretty sure there aren't a lot of the present day team who can relate to the leather helmeted guys in the tin type on the trophy shelf. don't see anyone disrespecting anyone else, just expecting that until lview seals the deal, in facemasks, they will stay on the outside looking in.

Not detracting from these kids just giving the program credit. Lview has been around a long time and trust me have the reverence they deserve from many teams. I hope the light green gets to meet the mean green this year. And I guess SLC chooses who is on the inside. LOL

[LPFAN]

I don't want to see them win it all this year.... ;)
I did not say I wanted to see them win it all. I said I wanted to see if they would win it all. Of course I want Lufkin to win it all and you want SLC to win it all but with the team they have and a lot of the talk coming from the Lobo camp it makes me want to see if they will pull it off. That is all.

[drgnbkr]

I did not say I wanted to see them win it all. I said I wanted to see if they would win it all. Of course I want Lufkin to win it all and you want SLC to win it all but with the team they have and a lot of the talk coming from the Lobo camp it makes me want to see if they will pull it off. That is all.

Just having some fun with ya...I have'nt met a Lufkin fan yet who did'nt want to win!

[dragonsdaddy]

ask around. if a 68 year old state title gives this team or this program more credance, more power to you.if you believe they are more likely to win this year cause the 39 team did, i'm impressed.

[PurpleNation]

Just for Pack0808

1.Lufkin
2.Lufkin
3.Lufkin
4.Lufkin
5.Lufkin

16-0

[dragonfootballfan]

This guy sounds like a Longview fan to me. I really don't think that he is a lufkin fan at all

[c-lisle]

ask around. if a 68 year old state title gives this team or this program more credance, more power to you.if you believe they are more likely to win this year cause the 39 team did, i'm impressed.


Actually it does help if you have a great program....you play with pride. Believe it or not the 97' loss helps too. You learn from your mistakes. Lview has been knocking at the door. This year's team won't be cocky...lessoned learned from the 97' loss.

[wide-e-wide]

Some of the kids on this team were 7 or 8 years old in 1997...
How did they learn that lesson?

[c-lisle]

Some of the kids on this team were 7 or 8 years old in 1997...
How did they learn that lesson?

nevermind

[dragonsdaddy]

Some of the kids on this team were 7 or 8 years old in 1997...
How did they learn that lesson?
the coaches that experienced the year would have some learned memories and different approaches about the season.

[wide-e-wide]

And 2005 is the magic year that they suddenly remember '97?
wow...talk about delayed reaction.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

And 2005 is the magic year that they suddenly remember '97?
wow...talk about delayed reaction.


Heh, heh, heh!

[PurpleNation]

This guy sounds like a Longview fan to me. I really don't think that he is a lufkin fan at all




I was at the game on the Sideline when Chase crossed the goaline. I was there when the last play of my carrer was knocked down before my eyes. I was crying with the rest of the Srs. I am no dout a Lufkin Panther I actually bleed purple and gold. Its just that I am not going to put our team up high some were were the dont quite belong there yet. dont get me wrong we will get there and contest SLC once again in the Semi and I am looking for a Pack win. Its just they got alot they need to work on but in the end I think this team has what it takes to make them champions even if they dont I will still be proud of what they accomplished. I want come on here and make claims and be biased that are not true. But I do think this team is better then we were last year if they reach the potential, and I truly believe Coach Law, and Quick will get them there.

[c-lisle]

the coaches that experienced the year would have some learned memories and different approaches about the season.


exactly. And all the current players had brothers, cousins, etc., on the team and have heard the story hundreds of times. Your history has everything to do with who you are. Ever heard the saying "you don't know where you're going till you know where you have been." Tradition is very deep at Longview and these guys aren't as far removed from the 97' team as you think.

[svrangerfan]

Those 3A SLC teams would have beaten 3 quarters of the 5A schools in the state at that time. They were good and had no weaknesses. Ledbetter was a helluva coach and bragged alot less than other coaches who had accomplished alot less. He did not even keep personal stats on his players from what I understand. Larry Hill at SV has some Ledbetter in him.

[wide-e-wide]

I don't think they are over-rated at all.
Yes, I am among those that are sick of hearing about them.
But that doesn't mean they are over-rated.
It's the same way with USC.
I want to puke every time I hear or see them...but
no one has knocked them off the throne..so they are still #1 until
they themselves or somebody else proves they don't deserve it.

[DragonFan]

There are a lot of undefeated teams right now and they all have a chance to be the State Champion! The truth will start to be seen as district play starts in about 3 weeks. I believe in the Bill Belicheck (New Englands coach) saying that states "You are not defending anything, you are playing for the chance to be the next champion!"

It is nice to be reconized for the quality of the program and it hard not to be impressed with playing more games in 5A football than any team in 5A for the last 3 years. (Three straight 16 game seasons). These kids from SLC have played more football than a lot of college teams have! If fact they have played 1 less game than the Dallas Cowboys have for the last 3 years!

With only 2 games played so far, I can only say good luck to all the kids and coaches who have put in the time and effort to play a game that gives a lot of people enjoyment, and pride. Thanks to all the players, coaches, school systems, bands, crews, pep squads, dance squads, flag corp, and just plain students that make Texas High School Football so much fun!

[pack0808]

actually i was talking to everyone - hence the refference to silly threads about best this and best that and college always comes into play -- it should be highschool based not potential.

Reading comprehension ? Was that a joke - are you questioning my ability to read and reason ?

As far as speed goes - Mckay runs a 4.4 on a laser I think - Clint has to have about the same speed - well if you listen to the faithful he might run a 4.2 - but the Dragons have as much speed at the skill positions as anyone I have seen. I fail to see your point about atleticism ? The dragons all seem pretty athletic to me - it wouldn't be an incognito race card you refer to would it ?


Again, look what i actually said. Had absolutely nothing to do with race either. And again, i did not say SLC did not have great athletes i actually said the opposite. I am going by facts not race!! Lufkin has had 11 div1a recuits in the last 2 years how many does SLC have?? 3 or 4 maybe?? Does not matter SLC has the rings i know and that is what counts. By the way, a couple of the Lufkin scholarship players were white so i do not know why you are going there?? My team in college the Iowa Hawks, who have been a top 10 team for 3 years straight and they are at least 65 percent white. Half of all div1a players are white. They have had a ton of NFL picks lately and many were white. Several were top picks in the draft. Did you see the speedster Tim Dwight returning punts for the Patriots last night and catching a td as a wr. He is from Iowa. He is one of the fastest in the NFL and guess what he is white. That had absolutely nothing to do with the argument so why go there?? It does not matter what color you are you can be a great athlete!! SLC is the champs period!! nobody is arguing it. They are the best until they get beat. I would yap more but i am about to head up to Port Arthur. Yall be good and maybe i will talk to you tonight.

[drgnbkr]

Again, look what i actually said. Had absolutely nothing to do with race either. And again, i did not say SLC did not have great athletes i actually said the opposite. I am going by facts not race!! Lufkin has had 11 div1a recuits in the last 2 years how many does SLC have?? 3 or 4 maybe?? Does not matter SLC has the rings i know and that is what counts. By the way, a couple of the Lufkin scholarship players were white so i do not know why you are going there?? My team in college the Iowa Hawks, who have been a top 10 team for 3 years straight and they are at least 65 percent white. Half of all div1a players are white. They have had a ton of NFL picks lately and many were white. Several were top picks in the draft. Did you see the speedster Tim Dwight returning punts for the Patriots last night and catching a td as a wr. He is from Iowa. He is one of the fastest in the NFL and guess what he is white. That had absolutely nothing to do with the argument so why go there?? It does not matter what color you are you can be a great athlete!! SLC is the champs period!! nobody is arguing it. They are the best until they get beat. I would yap more but i am about to head up to Port Arthur. Yall be good and maybe i will talk to you tonight.

Be safe Pack!

[dragonsdaddy]

take it easy on scooter's boys. they are in for a whuppin, no doubt.

[implacable44]

well then how do you figure they are better athletes? I require an explanation. and I do believe SLC has 8 or so D1 atheletes this year.

Iowa - yeah my co-worker Billy Coates - played DB in the 90's - - he told me to tell you to give more money to the school if you are thier biggest fan -- they need new stuff.

[SLCDad]

Those 3A SLC teams would have beaten 3 quarters of the 5A schools in the state at that time. They were good and had no weaknesses. Ledbetter was a helluva coach and bragged alot less than other coaches who had accomplished alot less. He did not even keep personal stats on his players from what I understand. Larry Hill at SV has some Ledbetter in him.I agree with all of this except the comment about no weaknesses. Since they ran the ball down everyones throat they didn't need to pass very often but when they did it wasn't a strength.

[mad_fan]

re: threads
Wins Rankings (SLCDad)
SLC overrated (Hawgs)
SLC (PurpleNation)

Wow. I read all these threads. There is a great deal of information there (fact and fiction I'm sure, but I don't which is which). I feel like I'm back in high school. Statistics, geometry, physics, more better writing, reading comprehesion, history (loved that santa anna thing), more english, even more manipulated statistics and on and on. You guys are very entertaining. :) :)

I hope there's not an exam!

PS No horse in this race...can't get out of region four... :mad:

[pack0808]

well then how do you figure they are better athletes? I require an explanation. and I do believe SLC has 8 or so D1 atheletes this year.

Iowa - yeah my co-worker Billy Coates - played DB in the 90's - - he told me to tell you to give more money to the school if you are thier biggest fan -- they need new stuff.


I said the last 2 years SLC was not close to Lufkin in Div1a recruits and that is just a fact. I challenge you to look it up!! Lord how is that hard to comprehend?? Lufkin will have their fair share again this year so what?? Show me at the end of the year that SLC has 8 div1a scholarships and i will admit my wrong. Not div1aa but div1a. Big difference. SLC is a great team that i have nothing but respect for!! They are fun to watch. I would gladly trade you the all of the Lufkin div1a players for your 2 rings in the last 3 years. Gladly. LOL

[implacable44]

yeah it is hard to comprehend when you make a blanket statement and billy coates said to up those donations again.

I am aure one of the "dad" posters will be in here shortly to list of the DI signees.

[southlake thug]

The following players have already recieved DI offers:

Greg McElroy
Joseph Agnew
Mike Prince
McKay Jacobsen
Clint Renfro
Patrick Benoist
James Allen

(there may be some more, but that is just off the top of my head)



O yeah, it is only early Sept. We will easily have two more.
-Kevin Ortega
- Corbin Smiter


Mike Boydston could have recieved some but he has declined to play in college. I expect Justin Dreshcer to get multiple looks at Deep Snapper.

[pack0808]

I am a big Iowa fan not a big fan of Iowa sport's but i am not a big fan of their liberal university. I do not have to donate money to be a big fan the last time i checked. Do you really want me to list Lufkin's div1a recruits in the last 2 years?? ok!! :rolleyes: This is not necessary but i feel challenged. I have a very good sport's memory!!


1. Tyson Kirksey --- Wash St.
2. Aaron Darks ---- Kansas St.
3. Joseph Hadnot ---- Lous Lafayette
4. Chris Pilot ---- Houston
5. Ray Givens ----- Lous Lafayette
6. Kevin Bryan ---- Texas A&M
7. Javorski Lane --- Texas A&M
8. Alton Dixon ---- Texas A&M
9. Jacorrey Sheppard ---- Rice
10. Mckinner Dixon ----- Texas Tech
11. Rashad Hunt ----- Texas Tech

There ya go. LOL

[pack0808]

The following players have already recieved DI offers:

Greg McElroy
Joseph Agnew
Mike Prince
McKay Jacobsen
Clint Renfro
Patrick Benoist
James Allen

(there may be some more, but that is just off the top of my head)



O yeah, it is only early Sept. We will easily have two more.
-Kevin Ortega
- Corbin Smiter


Mike Boydston could have recieved some but he has declined to play in college. I expect Justin Dreshcer to get multiple looks at Deep Snapper.


I will believe it when i see it when signing day comes. By the way, I hope you are not counting underclassmen they do not count?? Are you willing to bet on who will have more div1a players this year. Lufkin is ahead 11-3 in the past 2 years right?? I will take that chance?? I would rather Lufkin have a state championship though.

[southlake thug]

That is NOT including underclassmen. I am not defending myself becasue I never said that SLC has more recruits. I was just helping my friend Implac out with some info.

[SLC13]

......... I was just helping my friend Implac out with some info.Hey Thug, last I read you and Impac were going back and forth pretty good......what happened......did you kiss and make up on the "Clean Slate" thread or somethin'..... :D

[dragons08]

Hey Thug, last I read you and Impac were going back and forth pretty good......what happened......did you kiss and make up on the "Clean Slate" thread or somethin'..... :D
hey dont be dissing me! :p , maybe it worked?

[SLC13]

hey dont be dissing me! :p , maybe it worked?
banning the worst offenders from the board probably worked better....... ;)

[SLC13]

hey dont be dissing me! :p , maybe it worked?wasn't trying to diss you, it was just an attempt at a little humor....I had this mental image of Impac and the thug in a group hug......:)

[dragons08]

wasn't trying to diss you, it was just an attempt at a little humor....I had this mental image of Impac and the thug in a group hug......:)
hahahahahahaha, talk about taking things a lil to far..

[southlake thug]

wasn't trying to diss you, it was just an attempt at a little humor....I had this mental image of Impac and the thug in a group hug......:)


Yeah that was a little uneccesary..

[implacable44]

you trying to say i should be banned slc 13?

[dragonbuck]

Lufkin has had better athletes than SLC for years. Only recently has SLC had several D1 signees. Those mentioned above have all received offers this year and more will come. I don't feel we have better athletes this year than we did in 2002, just more national exposure due to recent success.

We have said it for years - many teams have better athletes than we do, but we have the winning equation. Lufkin's athletes on both sides of the ball are very impressive and they have a pretty good equation working also.

[SLC13]

you trying to say i should be banned slc 13?
Now why would I want you banned Impac.......you're too entertaining.

[VB Pack Fan]

There is a big step up from high school to college to pro level. SLC has great coaching and to me they seem to do a better job in preparation.Cornerback is the toughest position to play at any level.That why SLC receivers are so sucessfully, the young corners can,t really play that position as well.When it comes to bragging about players and how many goes DI,thats all fine too. Let,s look at when the kids leave college and go pro.I would like to know from all the different schools just how many of their kids are in the pros as of now. I know that Lufkin has quite a few playing on Sundays. Someone that knows just how many from your school , post them and the, year, position and what team.

[RAB-07]

There is a big step up from high school to college to pro level. SLC has great coaching and to me they seem to do a better job in preparation.Cornerback is the toughest position to play at any level.That why SLC receivers are so sucessfully.When it comes to bragging about players and how many goes DI,thats all fine too. Let look at when the kids leave college and go pro.I would like to know from all the different schools just how many of their kids are in the pros as of now. I know that Lufkin has quite a few playing on Sundays. Someone that know just how many from you school , post them and there year, position and what team.

didn't southlake turn out kris or chris brown, a kicker for..I wanna say Pittsburg. The kicker from 2003 is good and will probably make it to pro too (garret hartley?).

[farmerfan]

didn't southlake turn out kris or chris brown, a kicker for..I wanna say Pittsburg. The kicker from 2003 is good and will probably make it to pro too (garret hartley?).

Chris Brown was the starting QB for the 93-94 squads. Winning a state title in 93. If I remember correctly he took a big hit during a playoff game in the 94 season and was air lifted to a dallas hospital. He also won a national championship while kicking for nebraska.

[drgnbkr]

Chris Brown was the starting QB for the 93-94 squads. Winning a state title in 93. If I remember correctly he took a big hit during a playoff game in the 94 season and was air lifted to a dallas hospital. He also won a national championship while kicking for nebraska.

Kris is the kicker for the Houston Texans, Hartley is the kicker for OU.

[pack0808]

Does anybody really consider kickers athlete's?? I know i do not!! They kick the ball and that is it. Lufkin has several NFL players by the way with more to come soon. I saw Kiel starting at safety today for the Chargers against my Boys. Good NFL day after a very sad day for me in college because of Iowa. I was proud of Texas though. Both my steelers and cowboys won so i am happy today.

[VB Pack Fan]

I know Lufkin has five playing now and there are a least seven of eight that has retired from the nfl..........

[dragons08]

I know Lufkin has five playing now and there are a least seven of eight that has retired from the nfl.......... wow 5! thats incredible, do you have these players names?

[VB Pack Fan]

Hey fellow pack fan, who do you root for when Steelers and Cowboys play? :confused: Your steelers beat my titans :(

[VB Pack Fan]

Can,t think of all of them ,but let me try. Kiel - San Diego, Mulbach- Lions,Hadnot-Dolphins, Shepard -Green Bay, Gilmore - Cards. They you go and I think there maybe one more. oh and two in Canada

[Ladypack34]

Kickers are athletes...they work out hard like everyone else....

[dragons08]

Can,t think of all of them ,but let me try. Kiel - San Diego, Mulbach- Lions,Hadnot-Dolphins, Shepard -Green Bay, Gilmore - Cards. They you go and I think there maybe one more. oh and two in Canada
Kiel? hmm he had a pretty good game today didnt he??

[dragons08]

Kickers are athletes...they work out hard like everyone else....
i think the Star Telegram when they show the Top 100 classifies the kickers under the "Athletes" column, like it doesnt say kickers, it says atheltes...

[VB Pack Fan]

Yes he did and should only get better ........

[dragons08]

Yes he did and should only get better ........
thats awesome, makes you lufkin fans feel proud i bet, i think its only a matter of time before some dragons work their way up through the ranks, i also have a feeling lufkin will add a couple more than 5 in upcoming years

[VB Pack Fan]

Mulbach is a o-lineman, Gilmore is a reciever, Hadnot a d-lineman,Kiel a saftey,Sheppard a safety.

[pack0808]

i think the Star Telegram when they show the Top 100 classifies the kickers under the "Athletes" column, like it doesnt say kickers, it says atheltes...


Sorry but if anybody thinks Kickers are football type athletes need help. All they need to be able to do is kick a ball far and accurate. It is possible that a kicker can be an athlete but it definitely is not necessary. If they were they would be playing on the field tackling and running. It does not matter how big a kicker is or how fast they can run. Kickers can make a huge difference in the outcome of a game but it does not mean they are big time athletes. That is just the truth even though is not pc.

[VB Pack Fan]

I will really be extra proud if Lane can get there one day, I,m his uncle :)

[pack0808]

Hey fellow pack fan, who do you root for when Steelers and Cowboys play? :confused: Your steelers beat my titans :(


It depends but i hate when they play like they did in the super bowl in the 90's. I am happy for the team that wins but sad for the team that loses. By the way, Lufkin has 4 current NFL players but they did have 5 until J Sheppard left the NFL. Lufkin will have 5 again after next year because Reggie graduates college this year.

[VB Pack Fan]

My bad guys I thought Sheppard was still there, I know he,s had been with several teams.

[pack0808]

I will really be extra proud if Lane can get there one day, I,m his uncle :)


VB are you LD?? My lord you guys have some serious bloodlines in that family. Joel, Larry, Jermichael, Javorski!! :eek: :eek: wow!!

[VB Pack Fan]

No I,m not LD, my sister-in-law is his grandmother.

[dragons08]

I will really be extra proud if Lane can get there one day, I,m his uncle :)
thats awesome! tell him goodluck from all of us

[pack0808]

You are still probably 6-6 245 LOL

[VB Pack Fan]

ha-ha-ha, not I,m 5,7 and 56 yrs old and fat............... :eek:

[pack0808]

ha-ha-ha, not I,m 5,7 and 56 yrs old and fat............... :eek:


LOL, The genes skipped you huh?? ;)

[VB Pack Fan]

Yes I guess, well you guys have a good night, gotta go to work in the morning

[SLCDad]

Kickers are athletes...they work out hard like everyone else....Kickers often make the difference in championship games. The 2003 and 2004 D2 championship games were decided by a FG missed (2003) and a FG made (2004).

[pack0808]

SLCdad nobody said that kickers do not make a huge difference in the game. I have already stated that. It still does not mean they are football type athletes.

[drgnbkr]

Kickers often make the difference in championship games. The 2003 and 2004 D2 championship games were decided by a FG missed (2003) and a FG made (2004).

Kris Brown the "non-athlete" kicker for the Texans was our QB for the 16-0 93 State Champ Dragons...he also could kick it out of the stadium.....sorry pack...some are kickers & athletes....

[pack0808]

Dang some of you people do not read what i said. I said it is possible that some kickers can be very good athletes but it is not necessary. A bowler can be a great athlete my lord!!, but it does not matter if he is.

[Texasfrog]

Dang some of you people do not read what i said. I said it is possible that some kickers can be very good athletes but it is not necessary. A bowler can be a great athlete my lord!!, but it does not matter if he is.

Pack.. I heard Coach Outlaw say that one of the best "athletes" he ever coached was Hunter Smith ( Sherman, Tx). I heard him say that in person.

This was also post Reggie Mcneal days at Lufkin. He said Hunter Smith was a phenom athlete.

He went on to be a punter at Notre Dame and now with the Colts (NFL).

[Texasfrog]

Hey Pack.. What do you think about Nascar drivers ? Are they athletes or just car drivers ? Myself, I lean more toward the non-athlete side for most of them.

[pack0808]

Non athletes but if they happen to be athletes that is fine but it is not necessary. Same goes with Pool players.

[Texasfrog]

Non athletes but if they happen to be athletes that is fine but it is not necessary. Same goes with Pool players.

The Pool players is reaching some.. I did see one Nascar driver (after he won the race) get up on the hood of his car and do a backflip and land a perfect 10. His got some athlete in him for that stunt. :D