Who is the fastest player in the state

[katyrecsquad6]

My vote is for Bobby Harris from Katy or Brandon King

[slcsportsfan]

Oh this should be good... please do not post a kid that has not been timed at a Nike combine or at a UIL track meet. I'm sure this post will be littered with coaches hand held time.

[dada]

Oh this should be good... please do not post a kid that has not been timed at a Nike combine or at a UIL track meet. I'm sure this post will be littered with coaches hand held time.
So Far this year the fastest player I HAVE SEEN...no 40 time...I'm talking about flat out SPEED in full uniform...during a game...is This Riser kid from north shore.

[ktchamp97]

This kind of thread almost belongs in the 'Off-Topic' forum because it's rather pointless. There's a huge difference between track speed and football speed. Football speed, although nearly impossible to measure or compare, is all that matters.

The fastest guy I played with couldn't catch and had trouble remembering his plays.

Harris and King are fast, but likely not the fastest in the state.

[PACK '97]

E.J. Shankle from Lufkin

[chap fan]

Check out Staton Jobe from Westlake--spring specialist in track--has won district several years and competed at state--and plays two ways--as a wide out and a defensive back.

[Fleeman93]

So Far this year the fastest player I HAVE SEEN...no 40 time...I'm talking about flat out SPEED in full uniform...during a game...is This Riser kid from north shore.

Dad, I don't know if riser is the fastest but he sure is plenty fast. That kid smokes!

[c-lisle]

I would like to see Shankle and Mcgee in a foot race. They are both superfast.

[dada]

Dad, I don't know if riser is the fastest but he sure is plenty fast. That kid smokes!
Add another "A" at the end of that...I'm not THAT old :D ...But I was sitting up there at the Elsik game with KT2000...and I had to keep looking at the program to see who this kid was....Cavness from Elsik is speedy too, just on a bad team.... But I saw one pass play where the guys even had the angle on Riser and he...running in a straight line...out ran them.

I want to see Sweeny from Westfield now....he's a speedy guy also.

[CoppellCowboy57]

Micheal Fisher from coppell is a jet on on the track...

I would say Moody has the quickest feet in the state, i mean he can break tacklers ankles with his moves

[SLCDad]

This kind of thread almost belongs in the 'Off-Topic' forum because it's rather pointless. There's a huge difference between track speed and football speed. Football speed, although nearly impossible to measure or compare, is all that matters.Football speed also must include jukes, fakes, moves and quickness. These are just as important as flat out speed. Add the two types of speed together and you have a winner.

[Red Raiders]

Clint Renfro?

[GOBIGIKE#1]

Randy Johnson, a cornerback with Aldine Eisenhower Eagles, is either the fastest high school football player in the State, or if not, there is only a very small handful faster! As a junior, Randy was second in the State 5A UIL track meet in the 100-Meter Dash with a 10.74. Caveness, with Alief Elsik, tied Randy with the same time. IKE, with Randy on the relay team, won the State 5A 4 x 100 relay event last year.

Football Fast = E.J. Shankle, all everything with the Lufkin Panthers, WOOOOSH!, that kid can get up and go!


GOBIGIKE#1

[KT2000]

The best coaches time I've seen for anyone playing varsity this year is a 4.28 for Garland's DB Devin McDowell....assuming we're talking about 40s. As far as King and Harris go, neither is the fastest player at Katy much less the state but they can scoot.

[TheProphet]

katyrecsquad6 - the answer to your question is Chykie Brown of North Shore, who runs a 4.39 photogate 40 ( clocked at Dallas combine). No one takes 40's clocked by coaches seriously because they all cheat so much for their players and there is so much human error in stop watches...but yeah bk and bobby are no where near the fastest players in the state lol

[TheProphet]

P.S. I know this is 5A football.com, but if you are looking for jukes and cuts in running look no further than deon beasley of west orange stark

[ThEgReAtOnE]

The best coaches time I've seen for anyone playing varsity this year is a 4.28 for Garland's DB Devin McDowell....assuming we're talking about 40s. As far as King and Harris go, neither is the fastest player at Katy much less the state but they can scoot.

Speaking of "Garland"...you guys follow this Garland Lakeview link...

http://www.patriotpride.org/

In the left-hand corner scroll down to "COLLEGE COACHES' PAGE"...click on it and on the next page, the first name, at the top, is running back SHERROD BOREN..."CLICK HIS NAME"....then when his page comes up "CLICK PLAY"...he has a 10 second taped introduction, but then they show his highlight film....

...this kid is a human highlight reel.....he reminds me of a dante hall...and he's got his SPEED!!

Check him out!

[bleedgreen]

have to go with EJ Shankle.............but, the fastest kid that i have ever seen on the football field is #9 from Chaminade-Madonna---even though he is from Florida....has to run at LEAST a 4.2, if not faster........i watched Tyler Lee play them a couple of weeks ago and i was amazed at this guy's speed!! speaking of Lee, Jason Williams(TB at Lee) would give anyone a good run for their money, as well.....................

[Favpack]

Sorry we don't get to line up against Jason tonight. I'd say ditto on EJ Shankle. V. McGee is awfully fast as well.

[dirtwatcher]

E.J. Shankle, but I think Leonard Hewitt from Lufkin is almost as quick

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Have any of you guys had a chance to follow the Lakeview link, I posted, to see the Sherrod Boren kid? He looks good....small and elusive! Dante Hall is extremely small, fast and elusive....this kids reminds me of a young Dante.

I'm curious as to what you guys think?!!!

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Robert Joseph, or hewitt/shankle.

[jtk1519]

Going off of scout.com combine results, the fastest 40 times in Texas belong to...

Perrish Cox (Waco University) - 4.44
Charles Davis (North Crowley) - 4.45
Nathan Guillory (Houston Kashmere) - 4.46
Montre Webber (Hearne) - 4.46
Blake Collier (Justin Northwest) - 4.48

By comparison, the top 40 time in the country ran at scout.com combines came from Deonte Thompson, a junior from Belle Glade, FL who ran a 4.29.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Going off of scout.com combine results, the fastest 40 times in Texas belong to...

Perrish Cox (Waco University) - 4.44
Charles Davis (North Crowley) - 4.45
Nathan Guillory (Houston Kashmere) - 4.46
Montre Webber (Hearne) - 4.46
Blake Collier (Justin Northwest) - 4.48

By comparison, the top 40 time in the country ran at scout.com combines came from Deonte Thompson, a junior from Belle Glade, FL who ran a 4.29.

I think he needs to edit his post, as I would assume he's asking about football speed, not neccessarily track speed. I played with dozens of sprinters who were HORRID at playing football....and I've also played with speedy athletes who could run "ON THE TRACK", but were slow on the field.

Football speed is all that matters, when you're playing football. Nice 40 times for the kids though.....but linebackers run those 40's at the college level and just about everyone who's not a qb, "interior" lineman or tight end runs them at the pro level....including defensive ends like Jevon Kearse (4.46) and Julius Peppers (4.58) (Just experience speaking.)

Nice list though!

[dada]

Going off of scout.com combine results, the fastest 40 times in Texas belong to...

Perrish Cox (Waco University) - 4.44
Charles Davis (North Crowley) - 4.45
Nathan Guillory (Houston Kashmere) - 4.46
Montre Webber (Hearne) - 4.46
Blake Collier (Justin Northwest) - 4.48

By comparison, the top 40 time in the country ran at scout.com combines came from Deonte Thompson, a junior from Belle Glade, FL who ran a 4.29.
True...40 times a football speed are two different thing. I played with a tailback who ran a 4.8....finished like 8th in the 100m at the district meet...but on the field..he got a step on you and he was gone. When I saw his 40 time I couldnt beleive it. Running 40 yds no pressure in Under Armour gear is different from out running 11 defenders who are out to kill you in a game situation in full pads.

[dada]

Going off of scout.com combine results, the fastest 40 times in Texas belong to...

Perrish Cox (Waco University) - 4.44
Charles Davis (North Crowley) - 4.45
Nathan Guillory (Houston Kashmere) - 4.46
Montre Webber (Hearne) - 4.46
Blake Collier (Justin Northwest) - 4.48

By comparison, the top 40 time in the country ran at scout.com combines came from Deonte Thompson, a junior from Belle Glade, FL who ran a 4.29.
Comapring 40 times to football speed is like comparing who can hit the ball the farthest in batting practice.

[jtk1519]

I think he needs to edit his post, as I would assume he's asking about football speed, not neccessarily track speed. I played with dozens of sprinters who were HORRID at playing football....and I've also played with speedy athletes who could run "ON THE TRACK", but were slow on the field.

Football speed is all that matters, when you're playing football. Nice 40 times for the kids though.....but linebackers run those 40's at the college level and just about everyone who's not a qb, "interior" lineman or tight end runs them at the pro level....including defensive ends like Jevon Kearse (4.46) and Julius Peppers (4.58) (Just experience speaking.)

Nice list though!

40 times are what coaches and experts use to determine a players speed. We can debate all day long their validity, but that doesnt change the fact that 40 times are the measuring stick for a football players speed. Using that measuring stick, I simply posted the top times scout.com has recorded at their recruiting combines.

[RPM]

another good canidate..football and track videos..again he is only a jr this year..

http://imageevent.com/mcallentxrb/bradleystephensmcallenmemorialrb;jsessionid=lo6m4h 5f61.zebra_s

[raidercheerdad]

another good canidate..football and track videos..again he is only a jr this year..

http://imageevent.com/mcallentxrb/bradleystephensmcallenmemorialrb;jsessionid=lo6m4h 5f61.zebra_sHe looks like he has the tools. Who is the competition he's playing against and how big is he? he looks to be a head taller than any of his competition!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

40 times are what coaches and experts use to determine a players speed. We can debate all day long their validity, but that doesnt change the fact that 40 times are the measuring stick for a football players speed. Using that measuring stick, I simply posted the top times scout.com has recorded at their recruiting combines.

I attended the combine in IND, so I know what they do. Every player is different...each obstacle or measurement benefits each individual player. 40 times are a waste when comparing "interior lineman", and qb's, rb's, wr's and lb's are pressured more about their obstacle times than their 40 times. (Obstacles like t-shuttles, 10yd/20/60yd shuttles, wind-checkers, figure-8's, and many other explosive drills are given more priority).....all of this, of course, is in reference to the NFL standards.

40 yard dashes are respected by college recruits, which may explain why so many great "FOOTBALL" players become darkhorses in college and ultimately 1st Round Draft picks.

I can understand your argument, but again, 40 yard dashes are overrated, especially on the high school level. But one can understand most high schools and colleges don't have the money or specialized personnel to test their kids as accurately as the NFL does.

I take football play and speed over PURE track speed any day. But I totally understand your point!

[RPM]

He looks like he has the tools. Who is the competition he's playing against and how big is he? he looks to be a head taller than any of his competition!

you can look at his profile here..
http://imageevent.com/mcallentxrb/mcallentxrbfirstalbum


Compared to the rest of the state the comp he is going up against is not much..He plays for Mcallen Memorial which is a RGV School..but I can guarantee you that if you were to replace him with a good team from upstate that runs a lot he will produce..

you can find a list of Colleges that are intrested in him here...
http://imageevent.com/mcallentxrb

some for track and football...


best of all he is a smart mofo...4.0 GPA...he can attend any college he wants..he doesnt get much attention from the rest of the state cause he is from the valley..

[Humblefied]

Humble has itself a future star on their J.V. team. Against Katy the sophmore had run 3 50+ TD's in the first half and there was no doubt noone could touch him. He most likely won't make any appearences on varsity because he's a sophmore and I feel they want to let him get his feet set before hittin it up with the big boys. Humble also has a RB, Tunley, who is in track and always finishes tops in track. He doesn't get much break aways but thats mainly because of our blocking scheme. It's horrible.

[westlake]

I think that the 300 shuttle is a better tool for measuring "football speed"

Makes you run short distances, constantly changing directions, and constantly accelerating and decelerating. Also running it 2-3 times and the indurance factor kicks in.

its like, Ok you can run 40yds in a straight line, now run from the 0-25 and back 12 times. Ok now do it again, and lets see how much your time drops off.

[ktfan2005]

i think one of the fastest players is katy's mike fuda wr he has showed the teams he has played that he could burn them and he did...against humble he beat out the cb by atleast 8-10 yds and thats fast...also katy's will thompson is one of those very fast players at db

[pack0808]

Shankle is definitely the fastest on a very very fast Lufkin team and one of the fastest in the state but you would be surprised who is second to him from Lufkin and it is not R Thomas, D Bryant, L Hewitt, M Raines, or J Harris etc etc. It is Jacorrey Turner. Kid looks impressive as a rb and i would not be surprised to see him get the ball more. Split it up with Kibble. He not only has great speed he has vision and nice moves. That was the only thing missing from Shankle. He does not have great vision and he basically just goes straight forward. If he has a seem he is long gone though. He finished 2nd in the state in the 200 or something?? Watch out for this J turner kid he is impressive. I do hope that was a misprint in the paper today though. Just a minor thing and maybe it is not him but i think it is??

[The Dude]

My vote is for Bobby Harris from Katy or Brandon King


Anthony Martin, PLEASE shut up and stop making ignorant claims like this and that Katy has the "best receivers in texas" If you're 2 friends are that great then they will be talked about by others, you wouldn't have to bring them up. NO ONE at Katy is among the state's top players in terms of speed. Katy has fast players yes,(Thompson,Harris,'Sheck, King,Fuda among others) but none of them are running legit 4.40s. When those of them that run track in the spring actually make it past district, then maybe, and i mean MAYBE, you can even BEGIN to talk about them being close to "the fastest." But if you can't even make it out of district in a 100m dash, then you have no room to be considered 'the fastest' (nor are their 40 times up there with the best)

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I think that the 300 shuttle is a better tool for measuring "football speed"

Makes you run short distances, constantly changing directions, and constantly accelerating and decelerating. Also running it 2-3 times and the indurance factor kicks in.

its like, Ok you can run 40yds in a straight line, now run from the 0-25 and back 12 times. Ok now do it again, and lets see how much your time drops off.

I agree, but...

A 300 yard shuttle may be a bit overwhelming. An explosive 60 yard shuttle will accurately determine the power and stamina that a football athlete would have during a regular game. A determination of quick cuts and short bursts are what is telling about an athlete.

For example linemen at the NFL Combine are tested in the 40, but that time is overlooked by a number of short range skill tests, inlcuding....20 yard explosive shuttles, t-shuttles, L-shuttles, 10 yard burst and explosive pop-ups. All of these drills and tests determine what the explosive nature of a linemen would be during a football contest.

As far as skill players are concerned a 300 yard shuttle is more of a gut check....long distance running. It may serve it's purpose during training or conditioning periods, but to be accurate in the frame of the game is a little different, and very difficult to measure.

Ultimately, game speed is the most telling.

Skill players are timed in these long distance tests, like 300 yard shuttles, but rarely does a long distance test show the ability to be a fast football athlete.

It sure tires them out though!

[katyrecsquad6]

even though he is in 2a daniel emerson for royal is pretty fast he was clocked at the nike combine at 4.35

[PACKMAN]

Anthony Martin, PLEASE shut up and stop making ignorant claims like this and that Katy has the "best receivers in texas" If you're 2 friends are that great then they will be talked about by others, you wouldn't have to bring them up. NO ONE at Katy is among the state's top players in terms of speed. Katy has fast players yes,(Thompson,Harris,'Sheck, King,Fuda among others) but none of them are running legit 4.40s. When those of them that run track in the spring actually make it past district, then maybe, and i mean MAYBE, you can even BEGIN to talk about them being close to "the fastest." But if you can't even make it out of district in a 100m dash, then you have no room to be considered 'the fastest' (nor are their 40 times up there with the best)


Gotta agree with "The Dude" on this one. Not bragging here, but I think half of the LP offense and all of the defense is faster than the fastest Katy player (OK ....... maybe I'm exaggerating a little). But you get my point!

And oh yeah ........ Shankle IS pretty quick ! And I'm talking true "football speed". Fastest in the state? Not for me to say ....... ask some of those who have watched his cleats get very small in the distance!

[forest99]

RB Maxie Major, Conroe High School 4.37

-timed with electronically, no stopwatch

[STJL41]

My vote is for Bobby Harris from Katy or Brandon King

Sorry man. I ran track with Bobby long enough to know that he may be a good 110 & 300 M Hurdle runner, but he is not the fastest player in the state. Same with Brandon King. Katy track is and has been lacking for years, in all departments. Yes, both of those guys came out and shined for the KHS track team, but Katy hasn't been a legit contender at the 19-5A district meet in years. Being a star on that track team doesn't make you a state quality runner.

[seansvranger]

on the field i could care less about all out speed because yeah you do need speed but if the kid cant break a tackle or find a good hole fast enough it doesnt matter about the speed

[lonny23]

My vote is for Bobby Harris from Katy or Brandon King
I think it's Eagleike and Bleedgreen when they visit the Riverwalk!:p

[BigtimeO-line]

All of you are wrong, the fastest player was on a non-exceptional football team this year, his name is Trevor Cavness from Elsik... he ran 10.2 at state as a junior last year, after an ankle injury... i swear this boy is the fastest thing i've seen, but look out for Jacquiz Robinson for Lamar Cons. kids a sophmore and he has some wheels...

[YuccaRoot]

Fastest players in a uniform that I personally saw this year:

Donald Buckram, RB, Copperas Cove
Daniel Palmer, RB, A&M Consolidated

I watched Buckram against A&M Consolidated and Lufkin this year...no doubt about his speed in a football uniform. Palmer is explosive and can cut on a dime...too bad he was not available for Consol's playoff run.

[pack4life]

As far as football speed is concerned, i'd give it to Jacorey Turner, Ralph Thomas, or Donald Buckram.

[TIGER]

another good canidate..football and track videos..again he is only a jr this year..

http://imageevent.com/mcallentxrb/bradleystephensmcallenmemorialrb;jsessionid=lo6m4h 5f61.zebra_s

Yeh! this kid has some serious wheels. 21.8 200M as a soph.
I certainly don't think that this kid is flying under the raidar. From what I heard he is a national recruit and is getting major attention from the colleges.

[constance108]

E.j. Shankle That Guy Is A Rocket

[maverick523]

on the field i could care less about all out speed because yeah you do need speed but if the kid cant break a tackle or find a good hole fast enough it doesnt matter about the speed

There is a whole lot of truth to that, because blazing sprinter speed doesn't always equal great stp and start or lateral quickness. Great sprinters on average do not have great vision and instincts on the football field, plus there is alot to be said for balance while getting hit from various angles.

[ftballin11]

I think it's Eagleike and Bleedgreen when they visit the Riverwalk!:p


That's one race I will not be watching.. and I think I speak for the whole board on this one.

[rebelman1507]

So Far this year the fastest player I HAVE SEEN...no 40 time...I'm talking about flat out SPEED in full uniform...during a game...is This Riser kid from north shore.


i think someone on another board said his 40 this year was like a 4.4 or 4.5 and yes that is blazing speed.

[lonny23]

E.j. Shankle That Guy Is A Rocket
No he's not. He's a Panther!:p We wish he was a Rocket!:D

[oldtiger]

Daniel Johnson of Spring Woods beat Shankle in a heck of a race at the State meet last year in the 200.

1 Daniel Johnson HO Sprng Wod 21.31 -0.8 10
2 Edwin Shankle Lufkin 21.59 -0.8 8
3 Matthew Harding South Garlnd 21.60 -0.8 6
4 Chris Dykes Houston Aldine 21.62 -0.8 4

[Down n' Out]

This kind of thread almost belongs in the 'Off-Topic' forum because it's rather pointless. There's a huge difference between track speed and football speed. Football speed, although nearly impossible to measure or compare, is all that matters.

The fastest guy I played with couldn't catch and had trouble remembering his plays.

Harris and King are fast, but likely not the fastest in the state.
Football fast is definetly different than track fast...My vote is Michael Fuda and Will Thompson. After Michael catch's a pass, I've rarely seen anyone catch him. Willhardly ever gets beat in coverage and closes quicker than anyone I've seen.

[Favpack]

Donald Buckram is the fastest rb Lufkin has seen this year - McGee is fast - we just didn't play him.

EJ Shankle is the named mentioned most frequently - and it should be since he's the fastest. ;) Jacorey Turner is the second fastest Panther and he is finally at full health - 13 carries for 167 yards - 100% of which was produced by blazing speed.

[lufkinpanther06]

e.j shankle is the fastest player in the state! he got 2nd place in the 200m last year at the state track meeting.(as a jr) and the fastest on the feild i would have to go with either ej or ralph thomas. i dont know if yall have watched any film on ralph but he is the quickest person on our team!

[katybacker]

My vote goes to Bryan Ferris of Katy. As far as football speed, a CF LB intercepted a pass in our own end zone Bryan spotted him 30 yards and ran him down on the 10 yard line. Bryan weighs 280 lbs and plays on the OL. I think Coach J is converting him to WR, can you imagine a DB trying to tackle Bryan at full speed after he catches a pass.

[baldtiger15]

My vote goes to Bryan Ferris of Katy. As far as football speed, a CF LB intercepted a pass in our own end zone Bryan spotted him 30 yards and ran him down on the 10 yard line. Bryan weighs 280 lbs and plays on the OL. I think Coach J is converting him to WR, can you imagine a DB trying to tackle Bryan at full speed after he catches a pass.

I remember a 6'4" 330lb Walter Wigfall being described as a wall on roller skates- This would be the best fatman relay ever!

[slcfbstar05]

haha of course everyone would say the fastest guy in texas is their own running back from their town :D

[BigWhiteJake]

Chykie Brown is the fastest player in the state of Texas. No one else compares even remotely.

[WildcatFan]

Mitch Cumstien plays for Marfa 3.99 40

[BigWhiteJake]

no way is that right...hahaha no one with the last name cumstain can be faster that michael vick or deion primetime sanders

NO HIGH SCHOOL KID RUNS A REAL 40 BELOW 4.2.
THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
NO ONE ON EARTH RUNS A 40 SUB 4.0