Strongest 5A Region

[AllenEagle06]

Which region do you think is the most talented this year?

[CoppellCowboy57]

oh Region 1, (thats mine right lol) by far...I mean look at the teams, SLC/Garlands/Coppell (sorry had to through that in)/Irving schools/Euless Trinity/SGP

[CCHS77]

oh Region 1, (thats mine right lol) by far...I mean look at the teams, SLC/Garlands/Coppell (sorry had to through that in)/Irving schools/Euless Trinity/SGP


Isn't Garland in Region II?

[dragons08]

region numero uno

[CoppellCowboy57]

Isn't Garland in Region II?

honestly im not sure

[AllenEagle06]

The Garland schools are in region 2

[Arazorback]

I have a feeling Region one won't be as tough as last year, but still probably the toughest in the state.

[CoppellCowboy57]

The Garland schools are in region 2

my bad, im not really good at the whole region thing, I really dont care about regions they dont have anything todo with who makes the play-offs, they only count within the play-offs

[TheProphet]

Region 3 might not be the strongest region but is going to produce both of the 5A state champions. ie. North Shore(div 1) and Katy(div 2)

[StormingCowboy]

my bad, im not really good at the whole region thing, I really dont care about regions they dont have anything todo with who makes the play-offs, they only count within the play-offs

Exactly, It has everything to do with the difficulty of your playoff run.

[toonman]

Region 1 without a doubt - Let's examine the evidence

Odessa Permian
Midland Lee
Southlake Carroll
Lewisville
Plano
Duncanville

Region 1 has a history of producing 5A Champs again and again.

[CCBoy]

Region 1 without a doubt - Let's examine the evidence

Odessa Permian
Midland Lee
Southlake Carroll
Lewisville
Plano
Duncanville

Region 1 has a history of producing 5A Champs again and again.
The original post stated, "this year", and it's only one or two teams on your list that could make something good happen this year. The list could be well over about eight strong in region 2 this year.

[adcwalker]

That's right lets look at the evidence. From this sites own Top 25 Poll.

Region 1 - 6 Teams: Southlake Carroll, Euless Trinity, Abilene, Irving Macarthur, South Grand Prairie, Allen.

Region 2 - 12 Teams: Lufkin, Longview, Copperas Cove, Tyler Lee, Dallas Carter, Leander, Garland, Pflugerville, Round Rock McNeil, The Woodlands, A&M Consolidated, Klien Forest.

Region 3 - 4 Teams: Spring Westfield, Katy, G P North Shore, Pearland.

Region 4 - 3 Teams: Smthson Valley, Converse Judson, Schertz Clemens.

What Region would you want your team to compete in the playoffs?

Region 2 is easily the strongest 5A Region in Texas Football.

[farmerfan]

Region 1 without a doubt - Let's examine the evidence

Odessa Permian
Midland Lee
Southlake Carroll
Lewisville
Plano
Duncanville

Region 1 has a history of producing 5A Champs again and again.

Its not of all time, it is for this year. Take out Lewisville, Lee, Permian and Duncanville and replace them with the likes of Trinity, MacArthur, Allen, Abilene and Ryan. Also as was stated, I believe the overall depth in region 2 is stronger this year.

[CoveFan05]

oh Region 1, (thats mine right lol) by far...I mean look at the teams, SLC/Garlands/Coppell (sorry had to through that in)/Irving schools/Euless Trinity/SGP

C'mon you gotta be kidding me....Region 2 by far....Lufkin, Dallas Carter, Copperas Cove, The Woodlands, Longview, Tyler Lee, Garland, and the Austin schools....Nothin' can compare to these....A few more to note are AMC, Waco, and the Mesquite schools.... Watch out... Copperas Cove, Lufkin, Longview and Tyler Lee all have shots at the State Title game

[dragonsdaddy]

cove you are parlaying the big win over judson into a state title shot already. it certainly didn't hurt anything, but it's only an inkling of the future. good luck.

[gritty52]

Got this off the net. Go to www.masseyratings.com and see who is the strongest according to him. Who is this guy? Looks like he's done his homework. :)

[adcwalker]

Doesn't every team have a state title shot right now? I don't think any districts have started play games yet. But your right it is awlful early to start talking about the playoffs.

[StormingCowboy]

Doesn't every team have a state title shot right now? I don't think any districts have started play games yet. But your right it is awlful early to start talking about the playoffs.

Technically everybody has a shot but realisticly everybody can't shoot!!

[RGVBadBoy]

Region 4, SmithsonValley State finalist , ConverseJudson Semi Finalist and 5 time State Champ, SA O'Connor CONSTANTLY ranked in the top 15, SA Marshall, SA Madison, SA Roosevelt, they you also have to take a look at Victoria Memorial and SanBenito 12-1 regional semi finalist.....just my opinion

regions 1 and 2 are good too, region 3 has Katy and GP Northshore..

[SLCDRGN]

Winner of region 1 wins Texas Bowl again.

[katyrecsquad6]

Region 3 wins this hands down NS Westfield and KATY

[Eagle81]

That's right lets look at the evidence. From this sites own Top 25 Poll.

Region 1 - 6 Teams: Southlake Carroll, Euless Trinity, Abilene, Irving Macarthur, South Grand Prairie, Allen.

Region 2 - 12 Teams: Lufkin, Longview, Copperas Cove, Tyler Lee, Dallas Carter, Leander, Garland, Pflugerville, Round Rock McNeil, The Woodlands, A&M Consolidated, Klien Forest.

Region 3 - 4 Teams: Spring Westfield, Katy, G P North Shore, Pearland.

Region 4 - 3 Teams: Smthson Valley, Converse Judson, Schertz Clemens.

What Region would you want your team to compete in the playoffs?

Region 2 is easily the strongest 5A Region in Texas Football.

Be real guys.

Region 1 - SLC, Abilene, and Trinity

Region 2 - Lufkin and Longview

Region 3 - Westfield, North Shore and Katy

Region 4 - Smithson Valley and Judson

Any one of those teams could win and I think past that you kind of drop off in each of the perspective reagions. To be honest not a team listed in this thread can look past anyone.

[dragonsdaddy]

even with the loss last week, you better throw garland in with reg 2.

[TheProphet]

The answer is region 2, Katy couldn't beat Lufkin, Longview, Southlake, Copperas Cove, Euless Trinity, Tyler Lee, or North Shore or Westfield for that matter. Honestly, Southlake will probably win state again, but if they dont it will be because Lufkin or Longview ( and UT's Vondrell McGee), someone else posted the earlier post on my sn. You will know its not me posting it when some stupid **** like that is said...P.S. Sergio Kindle is quite possibly the best football player in the state of Texas.

[dragonsdaddy]

for the time being, let's let mcgee stay with the lv squad. he may want to rethink his commitment looking at all tu has in its larder already.

[Red Raiders]

Be real guys.

Region 1 - SLC, Abilene, and Trinity

Region 2 - Lufkin and Longview

Region 3 - Westfield, North Shore and Katy

Region 4 - Smithson Valley and Judson

Any one of those teams could win and I think past that you kind of drop off in each of the perspective reagions. To be honest not a team listed in this thread can look past anyone.

Why do you think Tyler Lee not good this year? they have a possibility to beat Longview because we have defense to stop Vondrell McGee, thats it. Longview defense is not that good and we have a very powerful offense. I don't see why you put Abilene over Tyler Lee, I just don't see that.

[svrangerfan]

Region 1 with Abilene, SLC, Trinity and a couple of the Irving schools arent bad either. Whoever wins that region will have earned it. Region 4 is the weakest because it drops off after COJU and SV & Clemens. Plus the best RGValley schools are not good outside the Valley. The Region 4 winner will have a much easier road thru the playoffs. Region 1 even has to deal with region 2 before the Texas Bowl.

[raidercheerdad]

I have a feeling Region one won't be as tough as last year, but still probably the toughest in the state.

If you're talking about having to beat SLC to win state, then I may tend to agree. If you're talking about having to beat Longview, Lufkin, Tyler Lee, Garland, Mesquite(most years), etc. to have a chance to move on, then I have to go with Region II.

(this is just an opinion and not necessarily the position of this web site or any of it's affiliates.) :D

[implacable44]

region 1 - is this the 80's?-- Region IV is the strongest.

[Eagle81]

Why do you think Tyler Lee not good this year? they have a possibility to beat Longview because we have defense to stop Vondrell McGee, thats it. Longview defense is not that good and we have a very powerful offense. I don't see why you put Abilene over Tyler Lee, I just don't see that.

I'm not saying that Lee is not good. I think they are and time will tell. But I just don't think they are at the same level. I could be wrong. I know Lee was a really good team last year and have proven to be consistant. Good luck the red raiders this year especially this week.

[PackAttack2005]

5A Region 2 division II has the over-all strength, followed closely by Region 1 Division II.

[RedRage00]

region 1 - is this the 80's?-- Region IV is the strongest.

LMAO. This isn't the 80's anymore! :p

[mad_fan]

Region 1 with Abilene, SLC, Trinity and a couple of the Irving schools arent bad either. Whoever wins that region will have earned it. Region 4 is the weakest because it drops off after COJU and SV & Clemens. Plus the best RGValley schools are not good outside the Valley. The Region 4 winner will have a much easier road thru the playoffs. Region 1 even has to deal with region 2 before the Texas Bowl.

you make me laugh. :D :D :D

[Ex Buff]

Region 4, SmithsonValley State finalist , ConverseJudson Semi Finalist and 5 time State Champ, SA O'Connor CONSTANTLY ranked in the top 15, SA Marshall, SA Madison, SA Roosevelt, they you also have to take a look at Victoria Memorial and SanBenito 12-1 regional semi finalist.....just my opinion

regions 1 and 2 are good too, region 3 has Katy and GP Northshore..

SA O'connor is CONSTANTLY overrated. SV and Judson have some braggin rights and have great programs. I noticed you left Clemens off the list - this year they might go deep.... have a couple of kinks to work out. Just my $.02

[sltnusmc]

I say do away with this Div 1 and Div 2 crap, then lets argue this point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KTFURB]

Can't really back Reg. 3 as being strong this year. !9 5A appears to be weaker than usual w/ the Alief schools showing poorly in out of district competition and the other Katy schools not doing well against the Cy Fair and Ft. Bend schools. That being said, the previous post mentioning Vic. Mem. and San Benito is really a stretch. When was the last time a school outside of the San Antonio districts got to the semis? Somebody has to be a regional finalist out of the valley, but they're never competitive. People have been pushing VM as a state power since the school opened and they have yet to do anything outside of the CC/Valley area.
Saw Katy play Humble last night and came away impressed with Humble. They have some offensive weapons. Katy won by 14 but the game was more competitive than the score would indicate. Humble moved the ball at will for much of the game, but the Katy defense was able to come up with the big stop when they needed to. Obviously Humble had their own problems with the Katy offense which showed a better running game last night than in previous games. Dalton, the QB, had an off night, IMO, and still threw for three TDs.
The North Shore - Woodlands game had an interesting outcome. The Woodlands showed good run defense against Katy but were vulnerable to the pass. On offense they showed little. Either they've corrected the pass D problems or NS doesn't have an effective passing game.

[KTFURB]

Prophet... I see you're from Katy, but obviously not a KHS supporter. How you can make a blanket statement that Katy couldn't beat SLC, Lufkin, NS etal. is absurd. I believe that the SLC fans, if they're honest, would admit that the possibility exists that they could lose to Katy. Last night NS slipped by The Woodlands 7-6. Katy beat The Woodlands 30-6. That doesn't necessarily mean Katy would beat NS but it certainly indicates the possibility exists! You, as with many others that post on this board, make staements that have little or no credibility simply because you have not seen any of the teams outside of this region and probably haven't seen NS or Westfield either. Actually, I doubt that you've seen Katy, because if you had, you wouldn't have posted what you did. And if you have then either you're really biased or don't have a clue about what you're looking at. Katy has played 2 very strong programs and one mediocre team, (sorry JV fans, its not your year) and is averaging over 30 ppg. The defense has been outstanding, the kickoff coverage is the best I've seen for a Katy team in years, they have two running backs that could play for anybody, at least 5 receivers that are a threat to catch a pass, a QB that has 8 or 9 TD passes in three games (against quality opponents) and Will Thompson. Will they win state? How should I know, I haven't seen the other teams either. But, I'm in the over 50 crowd and have been going to a HS football game every Friday night for the last 15 years. And my experience tells me this is a pretty strong team.

[warbird00]

That's right lets look at the evidence. From this sites own Top 25 Poll.

Region 1 - 6 Teams: Southlake Carroll, Euless Trinity, Abilene, Irving Macarthur, South Grand Prairie, Allen.

Region 2 - 12 Teams: Lufkin, Longview, Copperas Cove, Tyler Lee, Dallas Carter, Leander, Garland, Pflugerville, Round Rock McNeil, The Woodlands, A&M Consolidated, Klien Forest.

Region 3 - 4 Teams: Spring Westfield, Katy, G P North Shore, Pearland.

Region 4 - 3 Teams: Smthson Valley, Converse Judson, Schertz Clemens.

What Region would you want your team to compete in the playoffs?

Region 2 is easily the strongest 5A Region in Texas Football.


I must say historically Reg 1 but this year Reg 2. The other regions have some good teams, but they drop off a great deal after the top few (especially in Reg 4).
region 1 - is this the 80's?-- Region IV is the strongest.
IT MAY NOT BE THE 80's... but Victoria Memorial, O'Connor, Laredo, Donna, Segin, SA Clark, San Benito, San Juan, Mc Allen and La Joya??? PLEASE. VS. Midland Lee, San Angelo Central, Summit, Keller, Duncanville, Plano, Allen, Burleson, Denton Ryan. Need I go on??? :cool:

[lonny23]

I'm going with the region that's going to have both state champs, Region 4.

[dragonsdaddy]

I'm going with the region that's going to have both state champs, Region 4.
at least as the scores are being readily digested around the state, all 64 of the teams in reg 4 are still not mathematically eliminated. hope springs eternal.

[warbird00]

I'm going with the region that's going to have both state champs, Region 4.

Even IF I thought both champions were going to be from Region 4, two teams doesnt make the region...thus region 4 doesnt make the cut. Plain and simple.

[implacable44]

what ? if both champions are from region IV then region IV doesnt make the cut ? - right warbird - whatever you say brother. Is this SLCDAD posting as warbird? I can't believe this thread is still alive - REGION IV is the best -- according to me. Of course others will disagree because it is territorial. pointless thread and no way to prove it - much like the mythical national championship threads or which state has better football players.

[mad_fan]

what ? if both champions are from region IV then region IV doesnt make the cut ? - right warbird - whatever you say brother. Is this SLCDAD posting as warbird? I can't believe this thread is still alive - REGION IV is the best -- according to me. Of course others will disagree because it is territorial. pointless thread and no way to prove it - much like the mythical national championship threads or which state has better football players.

but we can prove it, statistics anyone?

[gochaps]

but we can prove it, statistics anyone?

First, a seperate question is "which Region has the team has the most 5A state championships lately?". The answer is that winning the 5A state championshipe has been evenly distributed over the past 5 years between Region I,II, and III each taking 3 championships. Region IV took 1 championship (Converse Judson in 2002).

However, the strongest team in the state does not equate to the strongest Region. I suggest that the strength of the stronger Districts in the state would be a better guage of a stronger Region. The Massey Ratings, as mentioned earlier, provide statistical ratings of districts as well as teams. As we progress through the season, the ratings are more and more based on this years teams ratings than last years. So, in the early part of the season, we are influenced by both last years performance as well as this years. But statisically, this is latest information we have, so I'd say we should base our strength of region on this current data. Note that this data will become more applicable to this year as the year progresses.

Of the top 10 districts in the Massey Ratings, here is the Observation:

Region | no. of districts in top ten
----------+----------------------------
I 5
II 3
III 1
IV 1

So, arguably, I'd say, from the data, that Region I is the strongest at this point in the season.

Additionally, I'd say that these statistics point to the conclusion that the stronger districts reside in Regions I and II. Lastly, I'd say, that I am definitely not in one of the stronger districts or in the stronger Region...

[warbird00]

what ? if both champions are from region IV then region IV doesnt make the cut ? - right warbird - whatever you say brother. Is this SLCDAD posting as warbird? I can't believe this thread is still alive - REGION IV is the best -- according to me. Of course others will disagree because it is territorial. pointless thread and no way to prove it - much like the mythical national championship threads or which state has better football players.


as I said...two teams doesnt make a region. Think really hard about it before you reply. Look at ALL of the region then look at ALL of the others. See the above post for some non biased insight.

[mad_fan]

First, a seperate question is "which Region has the team has the most 5A state championships lately?". The answer is that winning the 5A state championshipe has been evenly distributed over the past 5 years between Region I,II, and III each taking 3 championships. Region IV took 1 championship (Converse Judson in 2002).

However, the strongest team in the state does not equate to the strongest Region. I suggest that the strength of the stronger Districts in the state would be a better guage of a stronger Region. The Massey Ratings, as mentioned earlier, provide statistical ratings of districts as well as teams. As we progress through the season, the ratings are more and more based on this years teams ratings than last years. So, in the early part of the season, we are influenced by both last years performance as well as this years. But statisically, this is latest information we have, so I'd say we should base our strength of region on this current data. Note that this data will become more applicable to this year as the year progresses.

Of the top 10 districts in the Massey Ratings, here is the Observation:

Region | no. of districts in top ten
----------+----------------------------
I 5
II 3
III 1
IV 1

So, arguably, I'd say, from the data, that Region I is the strongest at this point in the season.

Additionally, I'd say that these statistics point to the conclusion that the stronger districts reside in Regions I and II. Lastly, I'd say, that I am definitely not in one of the stronger districts or in the stronger Region...


I was kidding about the statistics thing, but given that this is not about one particular team or another or trying one up anybody...

I used the source you sited and included all districts to come up the average Massey rating across each region.

I 13.523 / 8 = 1.690
II 12.911 / 8 = 1.614
III 8.935 / 8 = 1.112
IV 6.863 / 8 = 0.858

Hope that helps settle something.

[ktchamp97]

I guess we've made it pretty clear which region we think is the best...it's really not even close. The state champ may very well come from another region, but, top-to-bottom, Region 2 is head and shoulders above the rest this year.