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KT2000
09-07-2005, 07:01 PM
http://www.5atexasfootball.com/gametwo.htm

Even though we didn't make this the game of the week (keepin' these things purely Texan)...

GO TYLER LEE!

Brant_Scott_76
09-07-2005, 09:01 PM
aw kt ur betting agianst us lol, i dont wanna have to prove you wrong lol jp jp, this is always a good game, been one of my fav. bc the teams are so similary it seems like hopefully i can make an impact this game

CoppellCowboy57
09-07-2005, 10:39 PM
Go Texans!!!!!!!

Tiger Dude
09-07-2005, 10:47 PM
I like being the underdog... ;)

It's kinda funny that all anyone seems to concentrate on are the speedsters on either team. I believe Consol willl win the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Not easy to win a game if you're losing the war on the line.

westlake
09-07-2005, 10:54 PM
Im gonna pick Westlake to win this one at home. :D

itl be a good 'un

CoppellCowboy57
09-07-2005, 11:04 PM
I ushally go with the underdog in the superbowl...ive called the last 4 outta 6 superbowls, starting with 99' Rams vs Titans (went with Rams because I used to be a huge rams fan), 00' Giants vs Ravens (went with Giants cause everyone else was going with ravens), 01' Pats vs Rams (I picked the pats because of 911 and i thought it was destiny), 02' Bucs vs Raiders (i hate the raiders...nuff said), 03' Panthers vs Pats (this is when things started to get bad for me, i liked Panthers and they lost, sadly), 04' Eagles vs Pats (i just thought the Eagles looked better then the Pats)

man, that was random

PonyExpress81
09-07-2005, 11:29 PM
kt your betting on the wrong mascot, the AMC Offensive & Defensive lines will win the trenches, AMC will be playing on Westlake's end of the field all night!
If the AMC's running & passing game can't put it in the end zone enough times then Syzmanski's leg will put the ball between the goal posts enough times to make up for any shortcomings.

KT2000
09-08-2005, 08:31 AM
If Westlake hadn't rebounded in the trenches like they did last week, AMC would have been an easier pick to make. Against Leander, Westlake didn't get much of anything going but put up over 500 yards against Westwood.

I'm looking for the AMC defense to show they have improved in the "big play allowance" department since the Ike game. I thought Consolidated played well up front to limit Ike on the ground, but were surprisingly beat deep in the back three times. If they play a tight game at the back, Ike doesn't get anywhere near them. So, that's an area I'm looking at for the Tigers against Westlake.

Also, I want to see if Westlake can put together another good effort on offense against a traditionally athletic and well-coached AMC defense. This is a classic coin flip game and I look for a good one.

chap fan
09-08-2005, 02:17 PM
I think it will be a close, hard fought game as most in this series have been. I think the home field advantage will tilt it Westlake's way. I'm sorry to lose Dornak, but his back ups played very well, and I believe our running game will be successful even without him.

westlake
09-08-2005, 06:26 PM
How is Jay Austin running the ball? is he any good?

Westlakes O-Line averages 243lbs per man.

and 3 guys over 250.... gonna be tough to win that one in my book. D-Line is pretty solid also.

Brant_Scott_76
09-08-2005, 06:35 PM
how big is your center???

Tiger Dude
09-09-2005, 12:23 AM
How is Jay Austin running the ball? is he any good?

Westlakes O-Line averages 243lbs per man.

and 3 guys over 250.... gonna be tough to win that one in my book. D-Line is pretty solid also.


are we talking about a bunch of slow blooded fat *****? How big is your defensive line? How will they fare against an extremely strong and quick Consol O-line that is constantly pulling, trapping and executing a precison blocking scheme on every play? Gimme a bunch of overly agressive D-linemen and the consol o line will make them look awfully silly.

The consol defense is likely looking forward to a bunch of huge westlake offensive linemen. By the time the lake oline gets off the ball, the consol d-line will be sacking the QB. :)

going to be a great game, I predict consol by 2 TD's.

just my two pesos.

LeanderLions3033
09-09-2005, 09:03 AM
Neither line really looked that good against us, however their safteys were laying the wood. They weren't backing down at all to Jason and they were putting good hits on him. But our defensive line averages probably about 215 a man and we were in their back field all night. And our oline isnt very big either and we were getting a solid push.

westlake
09-09-2005, 09:01 PM
score?

FootballJunkie
09-09-2005, 11:59 PM
AMC loses 36-15 :( Not even close from what I understand.

gochaps
09-10-2005, 12:51 AM
Westlake jumps out to 22-0 lead. Late first half and throughout the second, Westlake refuses to play ball control and continues to risk all with low percentage big plays. Consolidated's athleticism broke open a couple of touchdowns to create a challenge in the second half. In the end, Consolidated couldn't control Max Minor who ran wild for over 200 yards and Taylor Jobe for the highlight reels!

FootballJunkie
09-10-2005, 01:59 AM
Westlake jumps out to 22-0 lead. Late first half and throughout the second, Westlake refuses to play ball control and continues to risk all with low percentage big plays. Consolidated's athleticism broke open a couple of touchdowns to create a challenge in the second half. In the end, Consolidated couldn't control Max Minor who ran wild for over 200 yards and Taylor Jobe for the highlight reels!
AMC better rebound for district play or it will be UGLY against COVE!!! ;)

badger95
09-10-2005, 07:34 AM
Westlake has figured out who they are and has that swagger again. A&M looked lost. They used to have a very dangerous offense that Slaughter has used since his days at Carroll, but they looked lost out there with their new offense. Plus, their guys aren't near as big and strong as they were advertised to be. Their to DT's looked all-world vs. Ike, but they didn't make a play vs. Westlake. Max Minor had 34 carrries for 240 yds., Nick Foles threw for almost as much with 3 TDs, and Staton Jobe continues to get behind defenses with 4 catches for 170 yds. and two TDs.

The long runs that Minor had, he couldn't finish and get in the End Zone. That's where Westlake will miss Matt Dornak. He had that "game speed" that is so rare where he would not get caught from behind. Hopefully Max will figure those angles and little intricasies out.

CenTexFan
09-10-2005, 07:40 AM
Westlake looks like they are staring to put it together. 257 yards rushing and 264 yards passing. They are showing the offensive balance they were missing last year. Max Minor had 237 yards rushing. Stanton Jobe had 4 catches for 135 yards, Cory Bost had 2 cathes for 116 yards. They also had a long pass play called back. One big difference last night was field position. Westlake kept AMC in their half of the field for most of the game so that their field goal kicker did not come into play. Also Westlake got out in front 22-0 so AMC was forced out of their game plan, again like the Westlake of old. Nick Foles (QB), Minor (Jr) and Jobe continue to impress.

Tiger Dude
09-10-2005, 09:15 AM
I was there, time to take my lumps, but I'll tell it like I saw it.

First half, Tigers couldn't pick a booger and flick it without it being fumbled or interrcepted.

Consol started the season with a 3 way QB "tie". The guy that came to the top in the Ike game, fumbled 3 exchanges from center in the first quarter. Hard to move the ball that way.

2nd Quarter, they put the Sr. in and he had a drive going until he got his bell rung on a hit and fumbled.

Consol's defense was on the field way too long in the first half. Once momentum went to WL, they started running downhill. Their O line was winning the battle at that point.

Westlake watched the Ike film and neutralized the strong Consol D-Line push. I watched Minor run last week and this week and the comment above was correct. Great medium distance runner, but got caught from behind by D-Tackles. Still quite a load, and I'd love to have him on my team.

So, first half was 22-0 and the Tigers I saw out there were not the kids I've been watching since spring training last year. I don't know how many turnovers we had first half, but you just can't give the ball away to a very good team that many times and expect to win. The consol defense held in the red zone a few times in the first half, score should have been 40-0 at halftime IMO.

Now for Consol's secondary... they need help. Strike that, they need speed. Someone better step up soon, or it will be season over. I'm not taking anytihng away from a great Westlake QB and his receivers. They'll all be playing on Saturdays somewhere. But, that QB had a pro QB arm and he was throwing accurate 50 yard passes. For some reason, I have a hard time thinking there aren't any better (faster) athletes out there in the secondary. They got burned at IKE, the got toasted by Westlake. IKE wasn't good enough to consistently turn up the heat, Westlake was.

Second half...

Now things got interesting. Either Consol pulled their collective heads out of their butts or the coaches made some great adjustments. It wasn't too long before it was 22-15 and we had a helluva come back working.

Critical play of the game IMHO, we had WL held on a 3rd and 10 on about their own 20. Incomplete pass, but our D-end roughed the passer. It a tad late. I'd probably called it as well. First and 10. Momentum went back over to Westlake. Yet still, consol was hanging in there. WL gained a critical 3rd down, but Minor fumbled and consol got it. Now, it's looking like we're going to tie it up and maybe our kicker can help us win. I say that because our Defense did an admirable job inside the red zone. But, those long passes killed us.

We get the ball back and throw an INT. Game over as WL drove the ball back down and scored.

The only semi-good news for consol was that their 3rd string QB looked pretty good in the 2nd half. This is the same kid that has been handing off to Palmer and throwing to Detron Lewis since 7th grade. He isn't flashy, but he doesn't make very many mistakes. His biggest problem is that he didn't hit Spring training hard in favor of playing baseball.

Sidenote to potential Consol QB"s: Please give up your dreams of scratching yourself on the mound and someone concentrate on being a big time QB. Until that happens, Consol will never have a big time QB. <rant off>

Best news of the night for me I guess was that no one got hurt on either team, especially plaing on that abortion of a substance they call astroturf.

Well, except for a Linejudge. He got his leg broken, ala Joe Theisman. The kids on the Consol sideline could hear the snap of bone. I hope he recovers soon as he was just trying to mark the ball and a Westlake guy rolled up on him. Not the WL kid's fault at all, just football.

I also thought the Consol O-line would win the line of scrimmage and they did a pretty decent job, especially 2nd half. Palmer looked like Palmer. But, fumbles and INT's kill any and all momentum.

A few months ago, I looked at Consol's first three games... Ike, WL, Georgetown. I figured if we could go 2 out of 3, that'd be a good start going into district. So, I'm holding out hope of beating Georgetown at home next week.

Had Consol played the first half like they played the 2nd half, we'd have had a decent ball game. Even that being said, the out come of the game was actually in doubt for a while in the 2nd half. Consol secondary looked better (or should I saw awake) in the 2nd half, but still couldn't completely defend the bomb.

WL just iced up the final score with one more long deep pass at the end of the game. The game was over at that point, Minor could have run out the clock easily, but they lofted one more bomb and scored. I sincerely hope we get to play them again next year. Running up the score was bush league. Must be some bad blood with the coaches or something. 1 second left, WL gets the ball and doesn't take a knee. Must be a reason for that, but I don't know what it is.


My two cents. Take any and all pot shots. I have thick skin. :D

Favpack
09-10-2005, 09:21 AM
Thanks for the report Tiger - looks like Consol. has a ways to go - but who knows. Did Westlake get thumped pretty hard in Week 0 or 1? Can't remember.

Tiger Dude
09-10-2005, 09:27 AM
I'm not sure what Leander did in Week Zero to pull off the win, but I'd be very interested in seeing those two play again. I doubt Westlake loses a 2nd time to Leander. I say that cuz I got to watch the last two WL games. Their offensive attack is balanced and effective. I give them all props due. They came out ready to play, consol waited until the 2nd half to come out to play.

westlake
09-10-2005, 10:26 AM
I was waiting to say this untill this morning, but i belive that Westlake is back and is a force to be reconed with. I think that "bad blood" thing is pretty mucy payback for getting beat 2yrs in a row, and showing people that they need to respect us.

I also think that (not taking anything away from Leander) Westlake would win a second matchup. The team that lost to Leander is not the same team that beat Westwood and AMC.

I think that WHS is a contender to go deep in the playoffs and possible State.

gochaps
09-10-2005, 12:05 PM
I was waiting to say this untill this morning, but i belive that Westlake is back and is a force to be reconed with. I think that "bad blood" thing is pretty mucy payback for getting beat 2yrs in a row, and showing people that they need to respect us.
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I think that WHS is a contender to go deep in the playoffs and possible State.

I would say that Westlake is still a force to be reconed with, but I wouldn't say they are back! The only good reason for the deep pass that late in the game is a feeling that Consolidated could stop the Westlake run game and score twice. Not taking a knee with 1 sec left is bush league and does nothing to help show people Westlake deserves respect.

I hope I am wrong, but I don't think Westlake will go very far in the post season until the offense coaching changes it's mindset. Depending on the big play will reek disaster as you are up against the stronger defenses in the playoffs. If you haven't established a strategy and strength for ball control throughout the pre and regular season, then the lower percentage plays just result in turning over the ball to some other high powered offense. In the case of Consolidated, if they could have thrown the ball accurately and additionally been able to catch those balls, they would have been dangerous!

Why throw the deep pass when you are up 22-0? What an ideal time to forget the big play calls and to esablish playcalling that can churn out the yards for a sustained drive up the field and score in the red zone.

Westlake has the defensive talent and strategy that works. IF Westlake offensive coaching were to decide that sustained drive capability is important needs to be developed over the regular season, then I think WESTLAKE will BE A CONTENDER again!

PROPS to KT2000 for the gutsy call of Westlake over Consolidated! Westlake does have talent in all positions. If Consolidated can develop to stop the big plays and gell a consistent passing game, they will be dangerous!

CenTexFan
09-10-2005, 12:14 PM
Tiger Dude – I think you made an accurate assessment of the teams and the game. I have been to all of the Westlake/AMC games over the past several years. They have been great games. AMC is one of the teams I have grown to respect and fear. You have had a lot of great athletes, a good coach and a good system. I don’t understand why AMC changed their offense – I assume to match the personnel, but the old system was so effective and very difficult to defend (with the great athletes y’all have had). I agree the turnovers early in the game made the difference and I was really worried when y’all where in a position to drive for the tie late in the game. I also questioned the late deep pass to Jobe, but in thinking about it I don’t see it as “piling on.” AMC was only down by 14 and if Westlake could not have kept position and turned the ball over, AMC has the potential for a quick strike and with an on-side kick and another score (which y’all are capable of) things would have been tied up. I hope the series continues as there have been some great games.

Like the earlier post I have been waiting to see what develops before getting too active on the board as everyone seems to want to take a shot at Westlake and after loosing Schroeder they have struggled to regain their dominance of the ‘90s, but something tells me this team could be special and go deep into the playoffs. I would also like to see them have another shot at Leander in the playoffs. I think the outcome will be different, but there are a lot of games to be played before we start talking about that.

Good luck to AMC, I believe they will be around in November.

westlake
09-10-2005, 12:32 PM
I think you guys are right about the possibility of AMC tieing it up. I guess Coach Long wanted to put the game out of reach, and ensure the W after 2 losses to AMC in a row.

I also think that if Dornak would have been healthy than they may have been more enclined to pound it out to run out the clock. Minor did an awsome job (237yds on 32 carries 7.4 yds/carry), but he isnt a clock churner like Dornak.

Mabe Long is concerned with injuring Minor also (he accounted for half of the offense)? he is only like 5-7 167lbs.

I think it would be interesting to see what he could do with the same skills in a 5-11 190lb (scott ballew mold) body.

Did Jay Austin run the ball any? and did Ball or Adams get any catches? Austin American statesman dosent seem to like to write big stories unless Westlake looses. :(

CenTexFan
09-10-2005, 12:39 PM
Austin had 5 rushed for 42 yards. Ball had 2 catches for 9 yards. He had a long reception/touch down called back on a penalty. He also had a few passes that he dropped or were just out of his grasp. Adams did not have a catch.

Tiger Dude
09-10-2005, 12:49 PM
I think you guys are right about the possibility of AMC tieing it up. I guess Coach Long wanted to put the game out of reach, and ensure the W after 2 losses to AMC in a row.

I also think that if Dornak would have been healthy than they may have been more enclined to pound it out to run out the clock. Minor did an awsome job (237yds on 32 carries 7.4 yds/carry), but he isnt a clock churner like Dornak.

Mabe Long is concerned with injuring Minor also (he accounted for half of the offense)? he is only like 5-7 167lbs.

I think it would be interesting to see what he could do with the same skills in a 5-11 190lb (scott ballew mold) body.

Did Jay Austin run the ball any? and did Ball or Adams get any catches? Austin American statesman dosent seem to like to write big stories unless Westlake looses. :(


Minor plays a lot bigger than 5-7. Funny, some Leander folks told me that the Austin American S. only wrote praise for Westlake. Complaned about how Westlake could do no wrong! :)

I guess the grass is always greener...

chap fan
09-10-2005, 12:54 PM
Westlake jumps out to 22-0 lead. Late first half and throughout the second, Westlake refuses to play ball control and continues to risk all with low percentage big plays. Consolidated's athleticism broke open a couple of touchdowns to create a challenge in the second half. In the end, Consolidated couldn't control Max Minor who ran wild for over 200 yards and Taylor Jobe for the highlight reels!

Slight correction--that's Taylor's younger brother Staton who plays two ways for the Chaps this year. The last I heard Taylor walked on at Tech, but he may have graduated by now.

westlake
09-10-2005, 01:04 PM
i heard that they were cousins?

westlake
09-10-2005, 01:07 PM
Minor plays a lot bigger than 5-7. Funny, some Leander folks told me that the Austin American S. only wrote praise for Westlake. Complaned about how Westlake could do no wrong! :)

I guess the grass is always greener...


Well when we lost to Leander it was frontpage news(and the pic was of Ball getting his clock cleaned), but the other games that we won, i have to search for on their site...

Only pics on the sight of westlake was from the leander game.

chap fan
09-10-2005, 01:34 PM
i heard that they were cousins?
No, I know the family.

Tiger Dude
09-10-2005, 01:39 PM
Well when we lost to Leander it was frontpage news(and the pic was of Ball getting his clock cleaned), but the other games that we won, i have to search for on their site...

Only pics on the sight of westlake was from the leander game.

to quote a Leander fan or two, "you'd have thought that Westlake won that game by the newspaper account!"

ah... who cares what the paper thinks!

http://www.brazossports.com/stories/091005/football_20050910013.php

gochaps
09-10-2005, 02:39 PM
Chap Fan -

Staton plays HUGH for Westlake! Playing both directions for 4 quarters, still out-running the defense, securing the catch in full stride, and out jumping the defense in the clutch! Another player for Westlake who made an impact on both sides of the ball like Staton Jobe was close to 10 years ago when Jeremy Amos played both ways his Senior year for the '96 State Championship team. Staton Jobe also runs routes more like Ryan Reed of that same team who was, for good reason, Drew Brees' favorite target!

Thanks for the correction! I guess Taylor is still imbedded in my brain from his outstanding playoff play (although, awhile ago now). My apologies to Staton.

westlake
09-10-2005, 02:56 PM
Ryan Reed was a hell of a player.

He had like 108 receptions in the '96 season, state record at the time.

Another guy who did good both ways was current defensive coordinator Lane Grigg. for the 90-92 teams

PonyExpress81
09-10-2005, 07:07 PM
I was there, time to take my lumps, but I'll tell it like I saw it.

First half, Tigers couldn't pick a booger and flick it without it being fumbled or interrcepted.

Consol started the season with a 3 way QB "tie". The guy that came to the top in the Ike game, fumbled 3 exchanges from center in the first quarter. Hard to move the ball that way.

2nd Quarter, they put the Sr. in and he had a drive going until he got his bell rung on a hit and fumbled.

Consol's defense was on the field way too long in the first half. Once momentum went to WL, they started running downhill. Their O line was winning the battle at that point.

Westlake watched the Ike film and neutralized the strong Consol D-Line push. I watched Minor run last week and this week and the comment above was correct. Great medium distance runner, but got caught from behind by D-Tackles. Still quite a load, and I'd love to have him on my team.

So, first half was 22-0 and the Tigers I saw out there were not the kids I've been watching since spring training last year. I don't know how many turnovers we had first half, but you just can't give the ball away to a very good team that many times and expect to win. The consol defense held in the red zone a few times in the first half, score should have been 40-0 at halftime IMO.

Now for Consol's secondary... they need help. Strike that, they need speed. Someone better step up soon, or it will be season over. I'm not taking anytihng away from a great Westlake QB and his receivers. They'll all be playing on Saturdays somewhere. But, that QB had a pro QB arm and he was throwing accurate 50 yard passes. For some reason, I have a hard time thinking there aren't any better (faster) athletes out there in the secondary. They got burned at IKE, the got toasted by Westlake. IKE wasn't good enough to consistently turn up the heat, Westlake was.

Second half...

Now things got interesting. Either Consol pulled their collective heads out of their butts or the coaches made some great adjustments. It wasn't too long before it was 22-15 and we had a helluva come back working.

Critical play of the game IMHO, we had WL held on a 3rd and 10 on about their own 20. Incomplete pass, but our D-end roughed the passer. It a tad late. I'd probably called it as well. First and 10. Momentum went back over to Westlake. Yet still, consol was hanging in there. WL gained a critical 3rd down, but Minor fumbled and consol got it. Now, it's looking like we're going to tie it up and maybe our kicker can help us win. I say that because our Defense did an admirable job inside the red zone. But, those long passes killed us.

We get the ball back and throw an INT. Game over as WL drove the ball back down and scored.

The only semi-good news for consol was that their 3rd string QB looked pretty good in the 2nd half. This is the same kid that has been handing off to Palmer and throwing to Detron Lewis since 7th grade. He isn't flashy, but he doesn't make very many mistakes. His biggest problem is that he didn't hit Spring training hard in favor of playing baseball.

Sidenote to potential Consol QB"s: Please give up your dreams of scratching yourself on the mound and someone concentrate on being a big time QB. Until that happens, Consol will never have a big time QB. <rant off>

Best news of the night for me I guess was that no one got hurt on either team, especially plaing on that abortion of a substance they call astroturf.

Well, except for a Linejudge. He got his leg broken, ala Joe Theisman. The kids on the Consol sideline could hear the snap of bone. I hope he recovers soon as he was just trying to mark the ball and a Westlake guy rolled up on him. Not the WL kid's fault at all, just football.

I also thought the Consol O-line would win the line of scrimmage and they did a pretty decent job, especially 2nd half. Palmer looked like Palmer. But, fumbles and INT's kill any and all momentum.

A few months ago, I looked at Consol's first three games... Ike, WL, Georgetown. I figured if we could go 2 out of 3, that'd be a good start going into district. So, I'm holding out hope of beating Georgetown at home next week.

Had Consol played the first half like they played the 2nd half, we'd have had a decent ball game. Even that being said, the out come of the game was actually in doubt for a while in the 2nd half. Consol secondary looked better (or should I saw awake) in the 2nd half, but still couldn't completely defend the bomb.

WL just iced up the final score with one more long deep pass at the end of the game. The game was over at that point, Minor could have run out the clock easily, but they lofted one more bomb and scored. I sincerely hope we get to play them again next year. Running up the score was bush league. Must be some bad blood with the coaches or something. 1 second left, WL gets the ball and doesn't take a knee. Must be a reason for that, but I don't know what it is.


My two cents. Take any and all pot shots. I have thick skin. :D

Westlake Chaps you played great and your coaches had a great game plan that your team executed very well, congratulations on the win!
From our side of the field the AMC coaching staff blew this one from the start, after the 1st quarter game plan "A" wasn't working but the bigger problem was that there was no plan "B"! Staff couldn't even get the plays in on defense or offense in a timely manner. The AMC defense was rarely set before the snap of the ball. Offense Cood couldn't make up mind on play calls, the play was changed from the sideline with signals 2 or 3 times (not audibles - play changes) before each snap. This caused a lot of confusion & made the team look like a Freshman squad trying to call plays out there.
AMC defense practiced aggressive attack style defense for the past two weeks to go after Westlake QB so he wouldn't have time to throw deep balls. Minutes before kickoff AMC staff choose to go with a bend but don't break style of play instead of what was practiced for two weeks. The style of defense gave the Westlake QB all day to throw deep. AMC had no saftey or LB blitz's to speak of in the game. AMC should of hammered the QB all night but the game turned into basically a 7 on 7 type of game with a non aggressive defensive front, the Westlake QB had 5-7 seconds to release the ball all night.
Front D-Line was totally out of alignment- on one side the DT & DE played up tight on the LOS while the other side the DT & DE played 5 yds off the LOS in the way of the MLB & OLB.
With this crooked messed up DL arrangement the Westlake center was able to take out the MLB on most plays which created a huge lane in the middle. The Westlake RB simply ran at the side where the DL was playing 5 yds off LOS and then cut back to the side that was playing up tight on the LOS which at this point the DE & DT had already over run the play on their side. AMC never had four DL attacking the ball at the same time, Westlake only had to beat two DL on any given run play. All the other defenders were playing back off the LOS trying to cover the deep ball threat. Almost anyone with two legs could of run 200+ yards under these conditions.
AMC has a great defense but mis-management by the staff and playing a great Westlake team made them look mediocre at best.

Offense is still looking for a QB to step up on a consistant basis while everyone on the offense is trying to learn a new more balanced style of offense. As painful as it is to learn right now the Offensive players will get it down and be successful and the team will be better for it in the long haul.

But until we get it down we need to get away from the "no huddle" stuff. Until we master the new offense the "no huddle" is only hurting us. If we can't sustain long drives consistantly all the "no huddle" does is give the ball over to the other teams offense with more time left on the clock.

I bet Westlake got to run 20 more offensive plays than we did last night, their new back had over 30+ carries by himself, Westlake threw 19 times mostly low percentage pass plays but completed 9 of them. Out of the nine completions 5 were 40+yds and 3 of them were TD's. I'd like to take the whole team with me to horsetrack or Vegas with that kind of longshot success.
How do you eat an Elephant? "One bite at a time" - AMC back to work!
Players & Staff get organized and take out your frustration on Georgetown this week!
Saturday morning coaching is great but not much pay!

Brant_Scott_76
09-10-2005, 07:58 PM
Congrats westlake

Tiger Dude
09-10-2005, 08:49 PM
I have no knowledge of game plans or any of that, just watching it all unfold.

Yes, they have work to do. The offense can be explosive enough and the defense can be stiff enough that I really thought we were going to win the game during the 2nd half.

Looking at the Consol players in the 2nd half, I think they knew they had a heck of a chance to turn the comeback into a victory. It's like each time they make another goal line stand. They know they can do it.

No reason not to have a great rest of the season with all the weapons available. Just one game out of 10+. Hopefully, we will "unleash the hounds" next week.

westlakefootball
09-10-2005, 11:24 PM
I believe the run with 1 second left was to let the 2nd team have a chance just to play in a big game. The coaches weren't trying to score or anything. The offense looks so composed now, passing and running effectively. Staton, the two way star is having a break out senior year and is the only main receiver without a D1 scholarship, but I'm sure he will get one after this season. Our defense definately came through though. When A&M was down by 7, and were driving, the defense came through with an INT, and then another one I think the next A&M series and caused a few fumbles. The only downside to this game for Westlake was it's special teams. Justin Wang, the original starter (averaging over 40 yards/punt) rolled his ankle earlier in the week and rerolled it during pregame warmups and tried to play on it and did for the first punt that went over 40 yards again but then had to go out and was on crutches the remainder of the game. The back up, Justin Tucker missed 2 field goals in 30 yard range and an extra point which looked like it would be very costly until the defensive INTs.

Brant_Scott_76
09-11-2005, 01:11 AM
I believe the run with 1 second left was to let the 2nd team have a chance just to play in a big game. The coaches weren't trying to score or anything. The offense looks so composed now, passing and running effectively. Staton, the two way star is having a break out senior year and is the only main receiver without a D1 scholarship, but I'm sure he will get one after this season. Our defense definately came through though. When A&M was down by 7, and were driving, the defense came through with an INT, and then another one I think the next A&M series and caused a few fumbles. The only downside to this game for Westlake was it's special teams. Justin Wang, the original starter (averaging over 40 yards/punt) rolled his ankle earlier in the week and rerolled it during pregame warmups and tried to play on it and did for the first punt that went over 40 yards again but then had to go out and was on crutches the remainder of the game. The back up, Justin Tucker missed 2 field goals in 30 yard range and an extra point which looked like it would be very costly until the defensive INTs.


Yea well, we shouldnt have held back, but yalls ref told us to just stand up and dont trying hitting anyone because yall were going to knell, but very good coaches and players, good luck the rest of the season

gochaps
09-11-2005, 01:24 AM
I believe the run with 1 second left was to let the 2nd team have a chance just to play in a big game.
I think the call was a mistake, but I am sure you are correct about the thinking behind the call. If the play didn't go any where, nobody would thought ill of it. When you put players in that situation, they are expected to perform (whether 1rst, 2nd, or 3rd string). Consolidated has earned our respect over the years. If Westlake had come close to scoring again, then that would not have been good.

Justin Wang did look in pain when he came off the field. I hope he is back to health soon!

Tiger Dude
09-11-2005, 02:41 PM
If the refs told the defense to hold back, that explains a lot as to why they looked pretty caught off guard when the Offense ran around the left end.

Brant, you guys hold your heads up. Y'all were close to winning that game. Even with sleepwalking through the first half.

That key INT near the end of the game that Westlake made (and was referred to above) was nothing more than a tip drill. I wouldn't let anyone at Westlake tell me what a great defensive play that was. It was an offensive play where two receivers were in a direct line with each other to the QB. One of them must have run a bad route. The receiver closest to the QB saw the ball coming in high, didn't know the other receiver was open behind him and skyed up to catch the ball, tipped it and westlake caught it. Tip drill, but it wasn't a great defensive play. It was an offensive receiver mistake.

I will give westlake their due. they took it to us all game long, but had that last pass been caught, the outcome of this game was less than certain. The final score doesn't reflect that at all.

I think Consol came away knowing they should have played better and still, even though they had a terrible first half, they were still in the game and close to tying it up.

Now, let's beat Georgetown and go undefeated in district. That's the "next" goal.

You know the old saying, when you make a mistake, "do the next right thing." Don't dwell. This game might turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

All that sounds great provided the coaches make some MAJOR adjustments in the secondary. I'd start looking at every guy on the team that can run a 4.5-4.9 40 and can defend. I don't care if it's a linebacker that has speed, give them a try at DB. We need agressive DB's, good all around athletes. Guys that just have a knack for winning, guys that just know how to play football. Guys that will knock your fool head off.

i'm not sure why our DB's can't seem to cover, but they are out of position way before the pass is thrown. Maybe they're fast and all that, but are they "football players?" At this point, I'd be trying anyone back there no matter whether they are a defensive end (like CJ Parrish) or a linebacker (Ryan Fitzgerald used to play back there, right? He's a bluechip Senior.)

Brant_Scott_76
09-11-2005, 05:51 PM
Id rather this be a wake up call now instead of in district, i think everyone even the players that didnt touch the field know we need to prepare better, we allowed westlake to have over 51 plays on off. ( thats crazy ) our off. needs to cut the no huddle crap and get the plays in and def. made way to many mistake even with me jumping off sides. But its behind us and we are looking towards the next game we will be ready.

FootballJunkie
09-11-2005, 07:15 PM
Id rather this be a wake up call now instead of in district, i think everyone even the players that didnt touch the field know we need to prepare better, we allowed westlake to have over 51 plays on off. ( thats crazy ) our off. needs to cut the no huddle crap and get the plays in and def. made way to many mistake even with me jumping off sides. But its behind us and we are looking towards the next game we will be ready.
Same thing may happen in district. Any time you give up over 500 yards you are suspect. I am sure everyone in 13-5A will be looking at this and trying to devise a game plan to do the same thing. Good luck.

Tiger Dude
09-11-2005, 08:43 PM
Same thing may happen in district. Any time you give up over 500 yards you are suspect. I am sure everyone in 13-5A will be looking at this and trying to devise a game plan to do the same thing. Good luck.


Anything can happen. You got that right. I am willing to go out on a limb here and say that our defensive secondary will be shaken up pretty good this week. From here on out, every team we come up against will be throwing deep early and often. We will shut that down. Bring it on! ;)

Huge chunk of those 500 yards were on several long pass plays. We get that shut down and things go back to normal.

Even with all that, all 500 yards, blah blah blah, we were close enough to win that game in the 2nd half.

Westlake played a GREAT game, we played piss poor offense in the first half and we still almost got it tied up. Something to think about. No matter how many of those long passes, they never really put it out of reach until the end of the 4th.

This consol defense is a helluva lot better than they showed last Friday.

badger95
09-11-2005, 09:33 PM
Westlake had not lost the last two years to AMC, as some of you have stated. They won in '03 on a FG as time expired. That was at Chaparral Stadium. They lost last year in a close game in which a Chap TD was nelegated by a bad fumble call in the end zone.