New H.S. in Southlake?

[gopokes]

Do you dragon fans know anything about this? is this a rumor or has this been confirmed???

[drgnbkr]

Do you dragon fans know anything about this? is this a rumor or has this been confirmed???

No chance....already been decided....

[gopokes]

saw this on another board.....

http://www.theoldcoach.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=41370

[BigFanSLC]

false....

[drgnbkr]

saw this on another board.....

http://www.theoldcoach.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=41370
That is hilarious..is'nt happening...

[gwdaddy]

saw this on another board.....

http://www.theoldcoach.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=41370

To quote the great Groucho, "that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard!"

Do you know how many Stacys have played for the Dragons?

Even if it were true, how can you get two 5A schools out of 2400-2600 students?

[gopokes]

ok...just curious. thanks

[DragonDad]

Will never happen. Who would be called the Dragons? That's the biggest issue. So lets talk about that.

What would the nicknames of each school if there was a split?

[slcsportsfan]

Idiot post

[Sakatha]

Man, that's insane.. Whatever.

~DnM

[PaulinPlano]

Will never happen. Who would be called the Dragons? That's the biggest issue. So lets talk about that.

What would the nicknames of each school if there was a split?

This is SOOOO tempting!:D

[DragonFan]

Southlake is a land locked enclave that will have a total population of around 30 to 35K people at complete build out. The High School population will never get any higher than 2800 to 3000. There are two campuses. One holds the 11/12 grades and the other the 9/10 grades. At complete build out both school will still have the capacity to hold and educate effectively the entire population of students. In fact land that had been purchased for building new schools is actually going to be sold.

This was decided many years ago and I dare say that the administration that is in place now would never reopen that argument.

[toonman]

Will not happen - end of story.

[gopokes]

Idiot post

thanks. Not everyone is as informed as you are living there. Just a simple question

[RedRage00]

Calm down....he asked a simple question. You guys sound like he said something to offend you.

RR

[drgnbkr]

It has been a contentious issue for a while..No worries.

[ScottS]

thanks. Not everyone is as informed as you are living there. Just a simple question

I don't know it sounds like the first poster on that thread has alot of information.

[ScottTSU4]

Don't split up Grapevine/Colleyville after the '95 season, and Grapevine High wins state in '96, '97, '98, '99, and '00...People wouldn't be talking about Southlake if this had happened...Split SLC up like everywhere else does and 76-1 goes to 38-38....

[toonman]

QUOTE : Don't split up Grapevine/Colleyville after the '95 season, and Grapevine High wins state in '96, '97, '98, '99, and '00...People wouldn't be talking about Southlake if this had happened...Split SLC up like everywhere else does and 76-1 goes to 38-38....


They didn't so they didn't.

[drgnbkr]

Don't split up Grapevine/Colleyville after the '95 season, and Grapevine High wins state in '96, '97, '98, '99, and '00...People wouldn't be talking about Southlake if this had happened...Split SLC up like everywhere else does and 76-1 goes to 38-38....

Boy, talk about some shaky premises....you are out there!

[gopokes]

Don't split up Grapevine/Colleyville after the '95 season, and Grapevine High wins state in '96, '97, '98, '99, and '00...People wouldn't be talking about Southlake if this had happened...Split SLC up like everywhere else does and 76-1 goes to 38-38....

Isn't the school enrollment less than 2500? GHS and CHHS combined would be like one of the Plano HS. That argument doesn't make sense.

[ScottS]

Don't split up Grapevine/Colleyville after the '95 season, and Grapevine High wins state in '96, '97, '98, '99, and '00...People wouldn't be talking about Southlake if this had happened...Split SLC up like everywhere else does and 76-1 goes to 38-38....

Split up SLC and you have a 4A school and a 3A school.

[drgnbkr]

Isn't the school enrollment less than 2500? GHS and CHHS combined would be like one of the Plano HS. That argument doesn't make sense.
He did'nt understand it made no sense..it's called shock value.

[DGDRAGON]

Someone please delete this topic BEFORE DrEdward reads it -- his heart will not be able to take another discussion on this!

[ScottTSU4]

How do you figure?...they won in '96 and '98 by themselves...so we have those 2 years done...Keep Tellis Redmon on Grapevine's team in 1997 and they repeat...don't know much about the '99 and '00 teams, but right there we have a three-peat.....

[drgnbkr]

Someone please delete this topic BEFORE DrEdward reads it -- his heart will not be able to take another discussion on this!

Welcome to the board...we need more Dragon posters!......:p

[gopokes]

How do you figure?...they won in '96 and '98 by themselves...so we have those 2 years done...Keep Tellis Redmon on Grapevine's team in 1997 and they repeat...don't know much about the '99 and '00 teams, but right there we have a three-peat.....

What was GHS's enrollment before they split?

[ScottTSU4]

What was GHS's enrollment before they split?

Where do you guys find all of your enrollment figures?

[drgnbkr]

How do you figure?...they won in '96 and '98 by themselves...so we have those 2 years done...Keep Tellis Redmon on Grapevine's team in 1997 and they repeat...don't know much about the '99 and '00 teams, but right there we have a three-peat.....
Winning a title is a very difficult task..you lost to Carroll in 98, then went on to win State in D-1 while we had to play Stephenville...no guarantees in the playoffs..

[BigFanSLC]

The 1999 game at Old Dragon Stadium was a OT classic.... I think it was T.J. Culberson scoring the winning TD for the Dragons

[ScottTSU4]

Winning a title is a very difficult task..you lost to Carroll in 98, then went on to win State in D-1 while we had to play Stephenville...no guarantees in the playoffs..

Oh, I know how that works. I'm actually a Panther alum and we got the shaft too (by our own cause of not beating Grapevine and getting smoked by SLC) and having to go the D2 route...Grapevine had it easy....But you keep the talent between 1 school and we could have made a run in D2 as Grapevine High School...

I know it's all a "what if" - but I just think there is just so much opposition from you Dragons who are totally against it because you lose the dynasty...no more training your kids to run the SLC offense in Pop Warner football...Not one of you had said, "you're right, if we got split up, we might have the same struggles as other schools...."

I respect SLC and what they've done. I cheer them on because of 5-5A and because they were some of the most sportsman like teams we played in high school. So don't think I'm bashing SLC...just dreaming I guess...

[ScottS]

What would the enrollment be if GS and CV didn't split?

[rancher52]

I am sure SLC will do everything possible to keep the one high school scenario. Looking at the demographics it would appear it is going to be a snug fit with one high school in 5-8 years. The CISD has stated the current facilities will max out with 2,700-2,800 students. Based on 2004 data it was projected that SLC buildout will arrive by 2019 at around 30,500. (Some have argued this is low by 5k). The October 2005 HS enrollment was 2,408. Once again based on 2004 demographics the 15-19 year old population was 8.2 percent of the total. The next two consecutive 5 year segments (younger) saw the percentage rise to 11.2 percent. If the current population growth does not speed up (and that is contrary to what has been seen since 2004), the HS will achieve 2800 in less than 5 years. If the city reaches buildout and the 11 percent proportion remains, then the number is well over 3,000 (approaching 3,300).

[rancher52]

What would the enrollment be if GS and CV didn't split?

I can't remember for sure but Keller split about the same time and the high schools were very close in enrollment at the time. As I recall I think it was around 2,500. The other schools were phased in (at least Fossil Ridge was and I think CHHS, too), by not adding the junior and senior classes until the second or third year. The KISD was growing so fast that by the time FR had their first senior class, KHS was already back to the size it was prior to splitting.

[drgnbkr]

I am sure SLC will do everything possible to keep the one high school scenario. Looking at the demographics it would appear it is going to be a snug fit with one high school in 5-8 years. The CISD has stated the current facilities will max out with 2,700-2,800 students. Based on 2004 data it was projected that SLC buildout will arrive by 2019 at around 30,500. (Some have argued this is low by 5k). The October 2005 HS enrollment was 2,408. Once again based on 2004 demographics the 15-19 year old population was 8.2 percent of the total. The next two consecutive 5 year segments (younger) saw the percentage rise to 11.2 percent. If the current population growth does not speed up (and that is contrary to what has been seen since 2004), the HS will achieve 2800 in less than 5 years. If the city reaches buildout and the 11 percent proportion remains, then the number is well over 3,000 (approaching 3,300).
If Carroll gets to 3,000, which I doubt, they would still be roughly 1/2 the size of Plano and Plano East..and still smaller than Katy..I think we're okay..

[rancher52]

If Carroll gets to 3,000, they would still be roughly 1/2 the size of Plano and Plano East..and still smaller than Katy..I think we're okay..

There is no doubt SLC would never achieve the enrollments of Plano schools; the point I was making is the current facility will be really crowded with 3,000-3,300. Unless SLC suddenly allowed more dense housing (which is not likely), the buildout number is predictable. The time frame may be accelerated however.

[drgnbkr]

There is no doubt SLC would never achieve the enrollments of Plano schools; the point I was making is the current facility will be really crowded with 3,000-3,300. Unless SLC suddenly allowed more dense housing (which is not likely), the buildout number is predictable. The time frame may be accelerated however.
It appears the housing is less dense, with the acreage estates popping up. I know there are the brownstones at Town Square, but most of those people are childless...

[rancher52]

It appears the housing is less dense, with the acreage estates popping up. I know there are the brownstones at Town Square, but most of those people are childless...

By limiting multi-family housing, and lower lot sizes, SL is many times less dense than the neighboring communities. Believe it or not it, I think it has only been 12 or 14 years since the city changed the zoning and land use plans and began allowing lots less than one acre.

[ScottS]

By limiting multi-family housing, and lower lot sizes, SL is many times less dense than the neighboring communities. Believe it or not it, I think it has only been 12 or 14 years since the city changed the zoning and land use plans and began allowing lots less than one acre.

So where do these people get the idea that we can support 2 5A high schools?

[rancher52]

So where do these people get the idea that we can support 2 5A high schools?

They are just misinformed or they have information that the 5A cutoff is going to be significantly reduced;) .

[ScottS]

Or did they just make the whole thing up?

[gwdaddy]

Now that my kids have graduated and I wouldn't be torn as to which one they attend, maybe we should try to split into two big 3A schools, with a 1A or 2A thrown in for the overflow if necessary, so we can win two or three football championships each year.:D Just think of the new message board friends we would have then--but it wouldn't be the same anywhere other than on this board right here.

Regarding mascots, I seem to remember Coach Dodge using the example of "Southlake Swans" back when the two-fers we're raising a ruckus a few years ago.

[dragons08]

as far as "overcrowding" the schools have been built where they can be added on too. like CHS they ahve all that room around the school to build (which they will be doing), plus last i heard their selling land, becasue they wont need it, we should be fine, also that "town house" thing was not approved, dont have to worry about those being built to add more to the population

[yankee]

i guess all 2 or 3 teams would use dragon stadium?

[gwdaddy]

We might send the 1A or 2A outfit to Old Dragon. They could schedule Keller and make the visiting fans feel right at home.

[ScottS]

Maybe we could have 5 1A schools????

[yankee]

We might send the 1A or 2A outfit to Old Dragon. They could schedule Keller and make the visiting fans feel right at home.
ahh right. i forgot about old dragon. i say, pour about a million into that place and it'll be a pretty damn good 1a or 2a stadium.

[yankee]

Maybe we could have 5 1A schools????
heck, i'd even have a chance to start if that were the case! :p

[dragons08]

heck, i'd even have a chance to start if that were the case! :p
then our buddy "coach" can coach at one of the schools!

hahahahaha

[gwdaddy]

ahh right. i forgot about old dragon. i say, pour about a million into that place and it'll be a pretty damn good 1a or 2a stadium.

It's a good 3A stadium as is. Come to think of it, the visitors' side at Old Dragon is too nice to compare to Keller. We would need to play them at Old Old Dragon, where the visitors' stands were condemned several years ago when they played youth league games there. But I don't know if there's even a field there anymore (by the old Carroll Intermediate).

[CKE]

Split up SLC and you have a 4A school and a 3A school.

Thats what will happen to SV for two years but then it will go back to 5a

[MatrixMaster]

Southlake dose not want to add another high school to the city because they want all the talent in the city feeding into one school. And remember adding another high school means adding a campus for seniors, juniors and another for freshmen and sophomores, one high school cannot be a feeder for two senior high schools. This is very obvious.

[dragons08]

It's a good 3A stadium as is. Come to think of it, the visitors' side at Old Dragon is too nice to compare to Keller. We would need to play them at Old Old Dragon, where the visitors' stands were condemned several years ago when they played youth league games there. But I don't know if there's even a field there anymore (by the old Carroll Intermediate).
is it where they play LAX games, right off of carroll and 114(ish)

[DrEdward]

Southlake dose not want to add another high school to the city because they want all the talent in the city feeding into one school. And remember adding another high school means adding a campus for seniors, juniors and another for freshmen and sophomores, one high school cannot be a feeder for two senior high schools. This is very obvious.

As has been demonstrated, the benefits of a second high school in Carroll ISD are somewhat dubious, given the sociodemographic characteristics of the community it would serve. What is clear is that there would be substantial additional costs, yet the benefits academically remain very much in doubt. Yet there are undoubtedly some remaining in the community who do want to build a second high school so that there son or daughter can be the drum major, or the quarterback, or number 1 in the class. I would hate to go through this again, as all the talk and actions truly damaged the morale of the teachers for a few years.

[dragonsfan]

Stacy High School
I can just imagine its motto:
"Where burning money is a vocational art"!!

Rick Stacy, for those of you who don't know, is the former mayor of Southlake and a furniture salesman whose shtick is:
"If you aren't buying from me, you're burning money."

Whoever came up with this story about a new high school in Southlake would send you to the garage to find a pipe stretcher for their plumbing job, or offer to take you on a snipe hunt at night.

[gwdaddy]

is it where they play LAX games, right off of carroll and 114(ish)

Yes, it's at Carroll and a cross street (Highland?)--just north of 114. I haven't been over there in a while (I live south of 1709--no, not in Colleyville :D). I know they did practice lacrosse there a few years ago, and pee wee football was played there back when Old Dragon was still used for high school games.

[Down n' Out]

Just curious...It seems a lot of Dragon fans are very biased about this issue. What if you combined your soph. and fresh classes, then what would your enrollment be?
Katy area has 6 high schools...Is your town just not growing or what? I kind of think your somewhat like the Woodlands and they had to add a new high school.
If it happens it's not the end of the world.

[LoneStarProud]

Someone please delete this topic BEFORE DrEdward reads it -- his heart will not be able to take another discussion on this!

Welcome to the board DG...How's it going? It took me a second or two but I realized when I saw your location that your identity has been cracked. Ole ex neighbor of mine.:D

[dragonsdaddy]

Just curious...It seems a lot of Dragon fans are very biased about this issue. What if you combined your soph. and fresh classes, then what would your enrollment be?
Katy area has 6 high schools...Is your town just not growing or what? I kind of think your somewhat like the Woodlands and they had to add a new high school.
If it happens it's not the end of the world.
the total would be what has been reported to the uil-2409 i believe. each class has about 600 in it. we are over 90% built out. we are landlocked.

[DragonFan]

Southlake is landlocked and will at full buildout in 2019 have a total population of 30 to 35K and a high school population of around 3000.

There are two campuses. One for 11-12 the other for 9-10. At buildout there will be only 1500 students at each campus. Both are more than capably of effectivily housing and schooling that high school population.

This issue is dead. Only if there is a drastic change in the land use plan of Southlake will these number change.

[sportsfan79]

QUOTE : Don't split up Grapevine/Colleyville after the '95 season, and Grapevine High wins state in '96, '97, '98, '99, and '00...


They didn't so they didn't.

Remember that the '96 and '98 titles were in 4A. Had the schools not split, GHS would have been a medium to large sized 5A school instead of a large 4A in all of those years (today it would be a very large 5A). Also, the '96-'97 GCISD seniors were allowed to choose whether to attend the new CHHS or stay at Grapevine, and of course most of the seniors (including the football team) stayed at GHS, so the '96 team was essentially a 5A senior class playing in 4A (albeit a very, very talented team as I'm not trying to take anything away). However, you won't convince me that the '96 team would have won state in 5A.

I just don't buy the statement that an un-split GCISD would have done quite the same thing in 5A in the late 1990s that Carroll has done in 5A in the early 2000s. You'd get little argument from me that if GCISD only had one HS TODAY, they could have one of the best football teams in the state (course, the school would have 5,000 kids).

[sportsfan79]

Oh, I know how that works. I'm actually a Panther alum and we got the shaft too (by our own cause of not beating Grapevine and getting smoked by SLC) and having to go the D2 route...Grapevine had it easy....But you keep the talent between 1 school and we could have made a run in D2 as Grapevine High School..


Combining GHS and CHHS in '98 would have been an enrollment of 3000-3500 which would have equated to a fairly large 5A school, not a 4A D2 team. You might, I repeat MIGHT, have won A title ('96 was the best squad), but saying you'd have won 5 straight in 5A, which is where your enrollment would have put you, from '96 to '00 is WAYYYY out there. I do see the point you're trying to make, but it's going beyond overboard to make that claim.

In order to make an apples-to-apples comparison, you have to remember that Carroll's enrollment NOW (~2400) is still less than what GCISD's was at the split in '95 and is roughly half of what it is now (CHHS 2445 + GHS 2242 = 4667) .

Of course Carroll wouldn't be as good if you opened a 2nd high school. But they'd also be playing in 3A or 4A right now.

[1141brittmoore]

Southlake is a land locked enclave that will have a total population of around 30 to 35K people at complete build out. The High School population will never get any higher than 2800 to 3000. There are two campuses. One holds the 11/12 grades and the other the 9/10 grades. At complete build out both school will still have the capacity to hold and educate effectively the entire population of students. In fact land that had been purchased for building new schools is actually going to be sold.

This was decided many years ago and I dare say that the administration that is in place now would never reopen that argument.

Pearland has the opposite. Plenty of land still. Bond issue passed for 2 high schools to be built. Everything has been quiet here since 1996. Population in Pearland proper has doubled since. Of course, this doesn't include the county area going to PISD. Our football win-loss record certainly reflects it. Anyway, thanks for letting me ramble on in your thread. Good luck to you and hope to see you in the finals!!

[TulsaHale74]

Where do you guys find all of your enrollment figures?
Pardon me if someone else already replied and I missed it.

The enrollment figures are from the UIL web site. Go to http://www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics/football/, scroll down to Enrollment Figures, and click on the conference you want.

The formula used to calculate the enrollment number is described in the UIL Constitution. From the Policy pull down menu at the top, select Constitution. Scroll down to Subchapter I and read chapter 351.

There's some special rules as well to calculate the number. Students who are officially designated as having multiple disabilities may be excluded from the enrollment figures submitted for reclassification purposes. And last year the issue of Hurricane Katrina displaced students figured in.

[SLCDad]

How do you figure?...they won in '96 and '98 by themselves...so we have those 2 years done...Keep Tellis Redmon on Grapevine's team in 1997 and they repeat...don't know much about the '99 and '00 teams, but right there we have a three-peat.....I always thought Grapevine's 1996 state title should have an asterick by it. Why? They split GHS in 1995 but they let the seniors decide which high school they wanted to attend the next year in 1996. 95% of the seniors decided to stay at Grapevine. That meant that Grapevine had a large 5A sized senior class competing at the 4A level. Also, Telus Redmond moved in with his grandparents so he could stay in the district.

I also thought Grapevine's 1998 title was a bit cheap. They finished 3rd in the district but went Division 1. They had a MUCH easier run to the title than if they had gone Division 2 which included most of the best 4A teams that year. SLC beat Highland Park and lost in the semi finals to eventual state champ Stephenville in the last minute of the game on a long TD pass. Grapevine didn't face anybody as good as either Stephenville or Highland Park that year.

[MatrixMaster]

Southlake has around 35,000 eh? Well at their game versus Euless there were total of 46,399 people and most were Euless fans, where was SLC community support?

[ScottS]

Southlake has around 35k eh? Well at their game verus Euless there were total of 46K + people and most were Euless fans, where was SLC community support?

25k

[MatrixMaster]

25,000? That's so small! I lived in Grapevine for 3 years and Southlake seemed bigger then that.

[ScottS]

People continually overestimate the size of our town and hs.

[SLCDad]

People continually overestimate the size of our town and hs.Part of Grapevine is in the Southlake ISD so the total population feeding the school district is larger than the population of Southlake alone.

[ScottS]

Part of Grapevine is in the Southlake ISD so the total population feeding the school district is larger than the population of Southlake alone.

But what about the western sections of Southlake that go to KISD and NWISD? Does that offset the GV part that goes to CISD?

[MatrixMaster]

But what about the western sections of Southlake that go to KISD and NWISD? Does that offset the GV part that goes to CISD?

I would believe that even though they might attend CISD elementary schools they would end at Grapevine High, because GHS is less then a mile from Dragon Stadium and Dawson Middle School and there are no Carroll students going there. How ever parents will probably take the effort to follow standard feeder order and take the drive their because a lot of Southlake schools are somewhat to the right of Highway 14, they are in the more suburban parts of the town, DMS is closest to Dragon Stadium, which is located at the town outskirt and less then a mile from GHS, yet people who live in the different cities will go to the their cities district. I cannot imagine a person who lives in Southlake and goes to GHS, and says he hates the Dragons. (which a lot of people at GHS do)

[ScottS]

I would believe that even though they might attend CISD elementary schools they would end at Grapevine High, because GHS is less then a mile from Dragon Stadium and Dawson Middle School and there are no Carroll students going there. How ever parents will probably take the effort to follow standard feeder order and take the drive their because a lot of Southlake schools are somewhat to the right of Highway 14, they are in the more suburban parts of the town, DMS is closest to Dragon Stadium, which is located at the town outskirt and less then a mile from GHS, yet people who live in the different cities will go to the their cities district. I cannot imagine a person who lives in Southlake and goes to GHS, and says he hates the Dragons. (which a lot of people at GHS do)

Wrong. Blake Cantu lives in the NW section of GV and goes to Carroll high. Nobody in Southlake goes to GHS. In the western sections some go to Keller and some go to Northwest.

[TulsaHale74]

I would believe that even though they might attend CISD elementary schools they would end at Grapevine High.
That's doubtful for financial reasons. GCISD parents/guardians must prove every year that they live in the district. In these days of Robin Hood money, it would be difficult to transfer in. I confess to not knowing the details, but I'm sure it's difficult to pay taxes to CISD and then get admitted to GCISD.

[MatrixMaster]

Blake Cartoon (I did that on purpose) was probably recruited like 25% of the Carroll Varsity team, I heard he got punk’d.

[ScottS]

You are in one district or the other. You don't go to elementary school in 1 district and high school in the other, unless you move.

[ScottS]

Blake Cartoon (I did that on purpose) was probably recruited like 25% of the Carroll Varsity team, I heard he got punk’d.

25%? He was the only one that came in last year.

[MatrixMaster]

Maybe, why do you guys recruit though?

[ScottS]

Maybe, why do you guys recruit though?

What are you talking about?

[MatrixMaster]

What are you talking about?

Never mind, what I meant was how mysteriously so many people move into Southlake and their kids happen to possess amazing football talent.

[ScottS]

Never mind, what I meant was how mysteriously so many people move into Southlake and their kids happen to possess amazing football talent.

Right and I tried to demostrate that there is far less moving going on than you are implying. Last year it was 1 and Cantu's mom sells real estate in Southlake, so your implication that he was recruited is wrong.

[MatrixMaster]

I’m not saying it directly to him, but I along with a lot of people I know at Grapevine and Euless believe that recruiting has something to do with Southlake’s success

[ScottS]

I’m not saying it directly to him, but I along with a lot of people I know at Grapevine and Euless believe that recruiting has something to do with Southlake’s success

What players? Riley and Tre have been here for years. You can't just throw some kind of blanket statement out there. Who are you talking about?

[TulsaHale74]

Nobody in Southlake goes to GHS.
From the GCISD web site:
"Grapevine-Colleyville ISD attendance areas include Grapevine, Colleyville, and designated sections of Euless, Bedford, Hurst and Southlake."

Most of the Southlake part is commercial, but the few homes on Crooked Lane east of Kimball, and any homes on the east side of South Kimball are in GCISD. The land just north of the Dragon stadium parking lot is in GCISD. I don't know if anyone in Southlake goes to GHS, but it's possible.

[ScottS]

I didn't know about that part. So, SE Southlake goes to GV, NW GV goes to Carroll, SW Southlake goes to Keller, and NW Southlake goes to Justin Northwest.

[dragonsdaddy]

Never mind, what I meant was how mysteriously so many people move into Southlake and their kids happen to possess amazing football talent.
by the way, slc has as much annual turnover of residents as any town in texas. the average time spent in sl is around 6 years. guess what, with a 16% turnover, you'd be surprised how many kids move in that don't play football. i wonder why all those people without football star sons move here? i wonder if the exceptional schools, nice family environment, and proximity to everything a business man might require(dfw) has anything to do with it. it turns out our schools and town recruit themselves pretty well. they did me 10 years ago.

[farmerfan]

by the way, slc has as much annual turnover of residents as any town in texas. the average time spent in sl is around 6 years. guess what, with a 16% turnover, you'd be surprised how many kids move in that don't play football. i wonder why all those people without football star sons move here? i wonder if the exceptional schools, nice family environment, and proximity to everything a business man might require(dfw) has anything to do with it. it turns out our schools and town recruit themselves pretty well. they did me 10 years ago.


Sounds just like Flower Mound not but 10-15 years ago and still today. That is why Marcus up and exploded from 94-98 due to all the growth and kids moving in. I dont think Southlake recruits just like Marcus didnt back then, but as you said the town and schools and proximity to DFW airport all recruit themselves.

[SLCDad]

I’m not saying it directly to him, but I along with a lot of people I know at Grapevine and Euless believe that recruiting has something to do with Southlake’s successNo recruiting happens at SLC. That would be cheating.

Blake Cantu's mom moved to Southlake due to her job. She even posted about it here. In 2005 Evan Fentriss moved in but the coaches had no idea who he was or how good he was until they saw him at spring football. I know Chase Daniel moved to Southlake from Irving but I think he did that in about 8th grade. What other move in's are there? Almost all of the players have been in Southlake for a long time.

[ScottS]

People seem to overestimate our townsize, school size, say we recruit, run up the score, and should split into 2 5A schools. What next?

[dragonsdaddy]

No recruiting happens at SLC. That would be cheating.

Blake Cantu's mom moved to Southlake due to her job. She even posted about it here. In 2005 Evan Fentriss moved in but the coaches had no idea who he was or how good he was until they saw him at spring football. I know Chase Daniel moved to Southlake from Irving but I think he did that in about 8th grade. What other move in's are there? Almost all of the players have been in Southlake for a long time.
my family including 3 sons moved here, which proves we were recruited. we came when they were 9th, 7th, and 5th. man these coaches are really good at picking the kids who should be recruited into the district.

[farmerfan]

my family including 3 sons moved here, which proves we were recruited. we came when they were 9th, 7th, and 5th. man these coaches are really good at picking the kids who should be recruited into the district.


DD
Does that mean you are giving Tom Rapp some sort of credit for something? ;)

[dragonsdaddy]

DD
Does that mean you are giving Tom Rapp some sort of credit for something? ;)
if you believe that i am accepting the fact that slc recruits, then take your turn believing the latter too.

[farmerfan]

if you believe that i am accepting the fact that slc recruits, then take your turn believing the latter too.

i guess i should have worded my little joke better.

[SLCDad]

my family including 3 sons moved here, which proves we were recruited. we came when they were 9th, 7th, and 5th. man these coaches are really good at picking the kids who should be recruited into the district.McKay Jacobsen's family originally lived in Grapevine. Then moved to Utah. Then to Keller. Then to Southlake. (I may have missed some.) Based on this, they were "obviously" shopping football programs to see who would give them the best offer.

[Sakatha]

i guess i should have worded my little joke better.

I thought you were both being sarcastic. :)

~DnM

[dragonsdaddy]

I thought you were both being sarcastic. :)

~DnM
there's the least little bit of a chance that we were slightly sarcastic.

[G-Man]

On the subject of recruiting...it is legal for people to move and many do for athletic purposes. Technically, the "for athletic purposes" is illegal but is very difficult to prove. It is not legal for coaches to ask for people to move to their attendance zone. It is legal for boosters to ask people to move to their attendance. It is illegal for boosters to pay for the move. :D It is not illegal for boosters to procure jobs for newcomers parents. Bottom line is as long as coaches stay out of it, UIL usually allows the move.

For what its worth SLC and Katy have never had to recruit because people know of their success and move there on their own to be a part of it. Nothing illegal or unethical about that. Like someone said earlier...success breeds success.

[ScottTSU4]

Combining GHS and CHHS in '98 would have been an enrollment of 3000-3500 which would have equated to a fairly large 5A school, not a 4A D2 team. You might, I repeat MIGHT, have won A title ('96 was the best squad), but saying you'd have won 5 straight in 5A, which is where your enrollment would have put you, from '96 to '00 is WAYYYY out there. I do see the point you're trying to make, but it's going beyond overboard to make that claim.

In order to make an apples-to-apples comparison, you have to remember that Carroll's enrollment NOW (~2400) is still less than what GCISD's was at the split in '95 and is roughly half of what it is now (CHHS 2445 + GHS 2242 = 4667) .

Of course Carroll wouldn't be as good if you opened a 2nd high school. But they'd also be playing in 3A or 4A right now.



good point.....

[ScottS]

If we were recruiting, wouldn't we have at least 1/3 of Trinity's team?

[drgnbkr]

This has to be the longest thread about nothing in the history of ever!:D

[G-Man]

If we were recruiting, wouldn't we have at least 1/3 of Trinity's team?

Amen!!

[MatrixMaster]

Greg McElroy moved in from outside but he is from California so I doubt he was recruited. Last summer didn’t yawl try and get a Widereceiver from L.D. Bell to come and play for yawl.

[CHHS05]

recruiting... COUGH CANTU COUGH. the kid was shopping around for a school and somehow he ended up at carroll?

[drgnbkr]

recruiting... COUGH CANTU COUGH. the kid was shopping around for a school and somehow he ended up at carroll?
Your pathetic.why don't you go try and get a clue somewhere..maybe come back when you have some idea what your talking about....

[CHHS05]

its true and you know it. the kid was shopping for highschools so he could get a scholarship.

[yankee]

Your pathetic.why don't you go try and get a clue somewhere..maybe come back when you have some idea what your talking about....
it's simple dragon envy really. i hope we whoop colleyville's ***. i also hope that "recruit" cantu has a great game too...

[yankee]

recruiting... COUGH CANTU COUGH. the kid was shopping around for a school and somehow he ended up at carroll?
his family was moving...his mom is a real estate agent in southlake and wanted to move here. if you're so interested, i'm sure you can pm her: can2mom

[MatrixMaster]

Your pathetic.why don't you go try and get a clue somewhere..maybe come back when you have some idea what your talking about....

I told you there were a lot of people that shared that opinion.

[CHHS05]

oh really why did she call other schools and ask about their football programs?

[SLC Dragon Fan]

recruiting... COUGH CANTU COUGH. the kid was shopping around for a school and somehow he ended up at carroll?


Is it really that hard for you to fathom that a player that earned Newcomer of the Year in his district from an average football school like Bell whose mother works in Southlake would want to move there? Let's see... stay at Bell and go nowhere for 3 more years or go to SLC where all the wideouts graduated and start for a team that will play for a potential championship as well as get great exposure to college recruiters. The program's reputation recruits itself; no recruiting is necessary.

[Favpack]

The new HS is called Stacy High - it's almost complete from what I read here a few days ago. :D :eek:

Who says forums don't start rumors?!

[insider]

The new HS is called Stacy High - it's almost complete from what I read here a few days ago. :D :eek:

Who says forums don't start rumors?!

From what I understand, it will be populated next year with freshmen and sophmores. This will give the Dragon Freshmen team a shot at varsity play while the JV moves up to Varsity.

Due to evolving boundary lines (Tom Delay is apparently serving as gerrymandering coach) they will adjust annually to properly capture the team profile they are looking for.

Now you've heard it here first - the goal is to dominate 5A and 3A at the same time.

--- :D

[MatrixMaster]

The fact of the matter is SLC recruits, period.

[dragonsdaddy]

From what I understand, it will be populated next year with freshmen and sophmores. This will give the Dragon Freshmen team a shot at varsity play while the JV moves up to Varsity.

Due to evolving boundary lines (Tom Delay is apparently serving as gerrymandering coach) they will adjust annually to properly capture the team profile they are looking for.

Now you've heard it here first - the goal is to dominate 5A and 3A at the same time.

--- :D
actually, because money is no object, the ptb have built another stealth hs. all 3(the 9-10 center will be a 4 year facility too) will stay dragons. they will be set up using the hp method of student attendance reporting to have the largest 4a, 3a, and 2a enrollments. the dragons are expecting to win 45 games a year and 3 state titles annually. at least the 5a folks can relax.

[Cobras03]

oh really why did she call other schools and ask about their football programs?

Hmmm, that's a new one!

[MatrixMaster]

Excuse me madam, are you really Blake Cartoon’s mama?

[dragonsdaddy]

Excuse me madam, are you really Blake Cartoon’s mama?
that would be an affirmative. boy, it really sux when you make stupid, unfounded comments and get called on it. at least it would hurt if you had sense enough or the wherewithal to recognize right from wrong, so i guess you are ok after all.

[MatrixMaster]

that would be an affirmative. boy, it really sux when you make stupid, unfounded comments and get called on it. at least it would hurt if you had sense enough or the wherewithal to recognize right from wrong, so i guess you are ok after all.

Did you think I was a SLC hater?

[dragonsdaddy]

Did you think I was a SLC hater?
sorry, i was on the wrong matrix. i didn't go back thru the posts. my memory isn't what i wish it was.

[ScottS]

The fact of the matter is SLC recruits, period.

Prove it.

[dragonsdaddy]

The fact of the matter is SLC recruits, period.
i'm guessing you are in fact a hater. you are most decidedly inordinately ignorant, or preteen, or both. i am sure the uil would be very, very interested in any proof you have concerning these alleged rules violations. since you would love to see slc lose , i don't understand why you are sitting on these revelations. you'd automatically be the biggest hero on this board. until you do make these records public, you are just the least character-endowed typist amongst us.

[Cobras03]

Excuse me madam, are you really Blake Cartoon’s mama?



Yes, I had to come on and get my nightly entertainment. I am amazed at how many geniuses are on this board that seem to know all about me and my life! (CHHS05 cough, cough CHHS05) I moved...it's that simple. I just happened to bring my kid along with me....I guess I should have checked with all you guys before I made my decision.:rolleyes:

[yankee]

The fact of the matter is SLC recruits, period.
yup, it's true. in fact, we even have a recruiting beacon right next to the field house. go take a look at it. it's a big tall pole with all these fancy wires and devices in it. it sends out a message to all slc-wannabe's who want to be a part of this tradition, just to come on over. it sure hooked fentriss and it looks like we snagged cantu also! ;)

[dragons08]

can2mom is legit. thats his mom. his gma also posts here

ms. cantu, i'll look for you at the game this week, i'll be one of the earlier band kids there setting up speakers. proving thus your "really you"

[dragons08]

yup, it's true. in fact, we even have a recruiting beacon right next to the field house. go take a look at it. it's a big tall pole with all these fancy wires and devices in it. it sends out a message to all slc-wannabe's who want to be a part of this tradition, just to come on over. it sure hooked fentriss and it looks like we snagged cantu also! ;)
bingo! we brainwash

[Cobras03]

can2mom is legit. thats his mom. his gma also posts here

ms. cantu, i'll look for you at the game this week, i'll be one of the earlier band kids there setting up speakers. proving thus your "really you"


Blake and I both have been trying to figure out who you are!

[drgnbkr]

Blake and I both have been trying to figure out who you are!

He plays the saxophone and has dark hair...

[dragons08]

Blake and I both have been trying to figure out who you are!
just look for a few kids that are setting up speakers, and i'll see you with your number 8 jersey, and just come by the asileish area, and i'll say hey

[dragons08]

He plays the saxophone and has dark hair...
that narrows it down to about...all 30:cool:

[farmerfan]

that narrows it down to about...all 30:cool:


you guys have to be the coolest kids in the entire school. I mean you guys have the football players and their parents wanting to knowwho yall are. man i wish i had that popularity back in HS. ;)

[drgnbkr]

you guys have to be the coolest kids in the entire school. I mean you guys have the football players and their parents wanting to knowwho yall are. man i wish i had that popularity back in HS. ;)

:D

[drgnbkr]

Farmerfan, I'm in San Diego and my hotel looks right down on Petco Field..I wish it was baseball season....!

[CHHS05]

Yes, I had to come on and get my nightly entertainment. I am amazed at how many geniuses are on this board that seem to know all about me and my life! (CHHS05 cough, cough CHHS05) I moved...it's that simple. I just happened to bring my kid along with me....I guess I should have checked with all you guys before I made my decision.:rolleyes:

right. lady get real everybody knows that you and blake were shopping around for schools in order to give him a shot at college ball.

[dragons08]

right. lady get real everybody knows that you and blake were shopping around for schools in order to give him a shot at college ball.
ah yes i forgot, you dictate what she does and think

[farmerfan]

Farmerfan, I'm in San Diego and my hotel looks right down on Petco Field..I wish it was baseball season....!


ahh man that has to be beautiful. San Diego is a great city the only placein Cali I would ever consider to take a vacation too.
I too wish it was baseball season. The good thing is that Pitchers and Catchers will start reporting in approx 70 days. Its going to be a great seaspn.

[CHHS05]

right and you know everything and wont listen to anybody else even if they factually know otherwise.

[dragons08]

right and you know everything and wont listen to anybody else even if they factually know otherwise.
lets see who would i belive..

the kids MOM who told me personally
or some punkass kid just out of hs who hates southlake?

hm, tough choice:rolleyes:

[Cobras03]

right. lady get real everybody knows that you and blake were shopping around for schools in order to give him a shot at college ball.


......Blake would have a shot at college ball no matter where he plays.....you think you know so much...prove it! You're probably some immature kid who believes everything you hear.

[dragons08]

you guys have to be the coolest kids in the entire school. I mean you guys have the football players and their parents wanting to knowwho yall are. man i wish i had that popularity back in HS. ;)
lets just say, it aint easy bein me :cool:

[farmerfan]

lets just say, it aint easy bein me :cool:


I dont know how you do it man. :)

[ScottS]

He plays the saxophone and has dark hair...

I thought all players, students, and fans were supposed to be blonde this time of year.

[drgnbkr]

right. lady get real everybody knows that you and blake were shopping around for schools in order to give him a shot at college ball.
Wow..you need to shut it down right now...you have no idea how stupid you look....

[dragons08]

I thought all players, students, and fans were supposed to be blonde this time of year.
havent seen your blond hair!

[ScottS]

havent seen your blond hair!

I was born with it.

[dragonsdaddy]

......Blake would have a shot at college ball no matter where he plays.....you think you know so much...prove it! You're probably some immature kid who believes everything you hear.
probably??? that is the understatement of the week.

[TulsaHale74]

Is it really that hard for you to fathom that a player that earned Newcomer of the Year in his district from an average football school like Bell whose mother works in Southlake would want to move there? Let's see... stay at Bell and go nowhere for 3 more years or go to SLC where all the wideouts graduated and start for a team that will play for a potential championship as well as get great exposure to college recruiters. The program's reputation recruits itself; no recruiting is necessary.
There are two separate charges that Carroll and Cantu want to stay away from as both are violations of UIL rules. One is recruitment and the other is changing schools for athletic purposes.

The talk of recruiting is just gossip. And Ms. Cantu has assured everyone that her son didn't change schools for athletics.

However your argument against the recruiting charge sounds like you, a Carroll fan, think he may have changed schools for athletic purposes. I wouldn't defend the accusations of breaking one rule by implying that instead another rule was broken.

Stating that the program recruits by itself implies that people have or will move to the Carroll district for athletic purposes. If you think about it, that's not something you really want to promote.

[dragonsdaddy]

There are two separate charges that Carroll and Cantu want to stay away from as both are violations of UIL rules. One is recruitment and the other is changing schools for athletic purposes.

The talk of recruiting is just gossip. And Ms. Cantu has assured everyone that her son didn't change schools for athletics.

However your argument against the recruiting charge sounds like you, a Carroll fan, think he may have changed schools for athletic purposes. I wouldn't defend the accusations of breaking one rule by implying that instead another rule was broken.

Stating that the program recruits by itself implies that people have or will move to the Carroll district for athletic purposes. If you think about it, that's not something you really want to promote.what about moving to sl because the school system is significantly better , as far as the ratings by the state. what about moving because the land values in the cisd are more stable and likely to rise. what if it is closer to your work, thus enabling mrs cantu to spend more time with her loved ones.

[drgnbkr]

There are two separate charges that Carroll and Cantu want to stay away from as both are violations of UIL rules. One is recruitment and the other is changing schools for athletic purposes.

The talk of recruiting is just gossip. And Ms. Cantu has assured everyone that her son didn't change schools for athletics.

However your argument against the recruiting charge sounds like you, a Carroll fan, think he may have changed schools for athletic purposes. I wouldn't defend the accusations of breaking one rule by implying that instead another rule was broken.

Stating that the program recruits by itself implies that people have or will move to the Carroll district for athletic purposes. If you think about it, that's not something you really want to promote.

We don't have to promote anything! People move into Southlake everyday for all kinds of reasons..for the schools, for the quality of life, for the amenities...but one thing is for sure...it is far too expensive for someone to move here for trivial reasons..it is a serious undertaking to decide your going to move into Southlake....you better be detirmined that all the above factors are worth it....

[Cobras03]

There are two separate charges that Carroll and Cantu want to stay away from as both are violations of UIL rules. One is recruitment and the other is changing schools for athletic purposes.

The talk of recruiting is just gossip. And Ms. Cantu has assured everyone that her son didn't change schools for athletics.

However your argument against the recruiting charge sounds like you, a Carroll fan, think he may have changed schools for athletic purposes. I wouldn't defend the accusations of breaking one rule by implying that instead another rule was broken.

Stating that the program recruits by itself implies that people have or will move to the Carroll district for athletic purposes. If you think about it, that's not something you really want to promote.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just wish they would not single out my son, by name, and make accusations about something they really know nothing about. I think people should only post positive things about the kids and players because after all, they are just kids....and they do read this stuff.

[dragonsfan]

I never cease to be amazed what I see on this site. Ms. Cantu, folks will say things they know nothing about just to run up their post numbers. Idiots get to use keyboards! Don't let the idiots get to you. God bless you and your good kid too.

[MatrixMaster]

Man you Southlake people have to be the oddest human beings I have ever been around, you guys have everything figured out don’t yawl. Anyone that states the fact (SLC recruits) will get bashed by people supporting the dragons, oh well this is what Texas High School Football is about. I’m sure there is a reason why Southlake dose not receive it’s full credit.

[mustangs9]

Would it be kinda fishy if....Cyrus Gray(DeSoto), Robert Griffin(ET), or Drew Ashley(NW) came to Grapevine High next year?

[drgnbkr]

Man you Southlake people have to be the oddest human beings I have ever been around, you guys have everything figured out don’t yawl. Anyone that states the fact (SLC recruits) will get bashed by people supporting the dragons, oh well this is what Texas High School Football is about. I’m sure there is a reason why Southlake dose not receive it’s full credit.

God, will you grow up? How old are you? Can you not read, or are you just that ignorant? The only fact here is that you really have no idea what your talking about..but that is obvious to anyone who reads your lame posts...

[dragonsfan]

Man you Southlake people have to be the oddest human beings I have ever been around, you guys have everything figured out don’t yawl. Anyone that states the fact (SLC recruits) will get bashed by people supporting the dragons, oh well this is what Texas High School Football is about. I’m sure there is a reason why Southlake dose not receive it’s full credit.

Thanks for illustrating my point (about idiots). I needed a goober to come along. Just remember son, that no man is a complete failure, you can always serve as a bad example.

[insider]

Man you Southlake people have to be the oddest human beings I have ever been around, you guys have everything figured out don’t yawl. Anyone that states the fact (SLC recruits) will get bashed by people supporting the dragons, oh well this is what Texas High School Football is about. I’m sure there is a reason why Southlake dose not receive it’s full credit.

You are the one making unsubstantiated claims and argue with any point raised in defense.

What I am amazed at is that the SLC folks even respond to your posts any more.

Why not calm down and realize that your envy is only getting you unwanted attention. Maybe you should go to the Rockwall thread - sounds like a player from Ohio is interested in coming down - you may be able to make the case - to avoid your district anyway...

[MatrixMaster]

Hate on every single one of yawl, you herd what I had to say and I’m not saying anything more, just remember your day of reckoning will come.

[TulsaHale74]

what about moving to sl because the school system is significantly better , as far as the ratings by the state. what about moving because the land values in the cisd are more stable and likely to rise. what if it is closer to your work, thus enabling mrs cantu to spend more time with her loved ones.
I agree completely. That's the message "SLC Dragon Fan" needs to be sending.

[dragons08]

Hate on every single one of yawl, you herd what I had to say and I’m not saying anything more, just remember your day of reckoning will come.
whats pathetic is, yes one day we'll lose, and you'll all give us hell for it. but lets see, how many losses did you guys have this year? did any of us give you crap mr. wildcat? dont think so

so our 1 loss every 5 years to your suckfest of a season...i'll take the 1 loss

[drgnbkr]

whats pathetic is, yes one day we'll lose, and you'll all give us hell for it. but lets see, how many losses did you guys have this year? did any of us give you crap mr. wildcat? dont think so

so our 1 loss every 5 years to your suckfest of a season...i'll take the 1 loss
Losers..they are pathetic, bitter, losers...no other way to say it...

[TulsaHale74]

We don't have to promote anything! People move into Southlake everyday for all kinds of reasons..for the schools, for the quality of life, for the amenities...but one thing is for sure...it is far too expensive for someone to move here for trivial reasons..it is a serious undertaking to decide your going to move into Southlake....you better be detirmined that all the above factors are worth it....
You're absolutely right, which is why I questioned the logic "SLC Dragon Fan" was using and the message he was delivering.

[drgnbkr]

You're absolutely right, which is why I questioned the logic "SLC Dragon Fan" was using and the message he was delivering.
The message is you can't recruit kids to come to Southlake because it's too damn expensive to move in..there are no apartments, they are not allowed in Southlake..how is somebody who is going to be recruited going to pull it off? It's like saying Harvard recruits athletes..it costs $150,000 per year to attend, if you can get in, and they don't give athletic schollys.

[CHHS05]

conceited much?

[TulsaHale74]

The message is you can't recruit kids to come to Southlake because it's too damn expensive to move in..there are no apartments, they are not allowed in Southlake..how is somebody who is going to be recruited going to pull it off? It's like saying Harvard recruits athletes..it costs $150,000 per year to attend, if you can get in, and they don't give athletic schollys.
So you're saying "SLC Dragon Fan" was wrong when he said "The program's reputation recruits itself"?

And he is wrong because many athletes' families can't afford to live in Southlake?

[dragonsdaddy]

So you're saying "SLC Dragon Fan" was wrong when he said "The program's reputation recruits itself"?

And he is wrong because many athletes' families can't afford to live in Southlake?
no, that is what happens. my family was recruited here by the inordinate success of the athletic and academic departments of the cisd from the late 80's on. many if not all move-ins are in the same situation. if that is illegal recruiting, then we are guilty along with several other districts across the state.

[drgnbkr]

So you're saying "SLC Dragon Fan" was wrong when he said "The program's reputation recruits itself"?

And he is wrong because many athletes' families can't afford to live in Southlake?
No, he's right..when families are looking for a top notch scholl system in this area, Carroll would be at the top of the list. Families make the decision to move into Southlake, based on far more factors than just athletics, and if you think differently, your out of touch.

[twcpfan1]

No, he's right..when families are looking for a top notch scholl system in this area, Carroll would be at the top of the list. Families make the decision to move into Southlake, based on far more factors than just athletics, and if you think differently, your out of touch.

Athletics aside, would people move to Colleyville and Grapevine for the same reasons they would move to Southlake? I'm just curious because I am not really familiar with the area.

[ScottS]

Athletics aside, would people move to Colleyville and Grapevine for the same reasons they would move to Southlake? I'm just curious because I am not really familiar with the area.

CV and GV are similar to SL, so you would be correct to a degree.

[dragonfootballfan]

this is so funny. Only one starter on the Carroll football team did not play their 9th grade ball at Carroll. I guess that shoots a giant hole through the SLC recruits theory.

[CCHS77]

this is so funny. Only one starter on the Carroll football team did not play their 9th grade ball at Carroll. I guess that shoots a giant hole through the SLC recruits theory.


You can’t shoot a hole in the recruiting theory if the “haters” want to believe other wise!

[TulsaHale74]

no, that is what happens. my family was recruited here by the inordinate success of the athletic and academic departments of the cisd from the late 80's on. many if not all move-ins are in the same situation. if that is illegal recruiting, then we are guilty along with several other districts across the state.
I think we're in complete agreement here. That's not illegal recruitment.

And when some of the posters say that Carroll recruits, they are just saying it to poke a stick at someone. No school district or football program would violate the UIL rules on this.

Stay warm at the game Saturday.

[TulsaHale74]

No, he's right..when families are looking for a top notch scholl system in this area, Carroll would be at the top of the list. Families make the decision to move into Southlake, based on far more factors than just athletics, and if you think differently, your out of touch.
I'm in complete agreement with you as to why people move to Southlake and not out of touch at all.

[ScottS]

When does the new high school open?

[DragonDad]

Athletics aside, would people move to Colleyville and Grapevine for the same reasons they would move to Southlake? I'm just curious because I am not really familiar with the area.

I moved to Southlake based on ease-of-commute to work and the school academic rating (Allen was second). I did not even know about the football tradition until after we moved in.

[TulsaHale74]

Athletics aside, would people move to Colleyville and Grapevine for the same reasons they would move to Southlake? I'm just curious because I am not really familiar with the area.
Grapevine and Colleyville are different from each other in many ways. Grapevine has a lower average household income, has much more multi-family housing, a growing Mexican immigrant population, and has focused on commercial development a lot the past ten years. It has SO MUCH TRAFFIC, especially if you want to get from the south part of town to the north. The north part has the lake access, and more of the tourism and shopping locations. Colleyville has allocated most of its land for residential purposes, has some wonderful neighborhoods, and still has a bit of a small or relaxed town atmosphere to me. The school district is combined, and the two high schools' attendance boundaries are designed so each school has the same socio-economic profile and about half of each city's kids go to each high school. I think both high schools have more Grapevine residents than Colleyville residents, as Grapevine has a larger population, but I haven't checked the data lately to see if that still holds true. Both high schools are top notch and identical in academic achievement.

IMHO, people might move to Colleyville for the same reason they would move to Southlake but probably not Grapevine.

[The Great Evaluator]

Coming in on this one late here - I had no idea it had turned into this but as a neutral observer, I'd just like to say so what if someone moves into a better situation? Isn't that the American way? As many of the Dragon fans have stated, their administration and coaching staff have created a desireable enviroment so what's wrong with that?

I think the steroid and recruiting allegations are out of line and very unfair. When I looked at the Southlake kids next to the Trinity kids, just by the eyeball test I wouldn't have suspected anything that was out of line. In all honesty the Carroll kids looked scrawny compared to the Trojans.

I say more power to anyone that wants to better their lives. For some folks that's private school, for others its moving from a bad situation to a better one in a public setting. Who are we to judge? Hypothetically speaking, if I had a kid in high school who was talented but not getting much college attention and I moved to a school where he would get better coaching and have a better chance to land a scholarship what would be wrong with that?

So long as his academic opporutunities are equal to or better than the school he's at I have absolutely no problem with that.

[twcpfan1]

Coming in on this one late here - I had no idea it had turned into this but as a neutral observer, I'd just like to say so what if someone moves into a better situation? Isn't that the American way? As many of the Dragon fans have stated, their administration and coaching staff have created a desireable enviroment so what's wrong with that?

I think the steroid and recruiting allegations are out of line and very unfair. When I looked at the Southlake kids next to the Trinity kids, just by the eyeball test I wouldn't have suspected anything that was out of line. In all honesty the Carroll kids looked scrawny compared to the Trojans.

I say more power to anyone that wants to better their lives. For some folks that's private school, for others its moving from a bad situation to a better one in a public setting. Who are we to judge? Hypothetically speaking, if I had a kid in high school who was talented but not getting much college attention and I moved to a school where he would get better coaching and have a better chance to land a scholarship what would be wrong with that?

So long as his academic opporutunities are equal to or better than the school he's at I have absolutely no problem with that.

From what I've read on this thread, people are arguing that there are other reasons why people move to Southlake, other than the superior football program it has. Well apparently, those other reasons and qualities that better one's life also exist in Colleyville and Grapevine. So taking all the common denominators out, you're left with a kick-butt football program that is the Southlake Carroll Dragons. So for anybody to suggest that people move to Southlake primarily not because of football - well, let's just say people will tend to be skeptical of that claim. I frankly do not see anything wrong with it. Man, I wish we had the same thing in the Woodlands to the point that every rich kid who has serious game will want to move here

[Lonestar 48]

What are there, 60-80 young men on the varsity, another 150 total at the other levels in the Carroll program? So maybe, out of the 25,000 or so people living in Southlake, 330 to 350 families are involved in high school football. Average 4 people per family and you have around 1,400 out of the 25,000 that particpate in, or have a chance to participate in, varsity football at SLC. I would say that most people in Southlake care a lot less about hs football than most of the posters here. Sure, they want the hometown team to win, just like anyone else, but thats probably about it. I think the majority of people who move here just come for the nice place to live, proximity to DFW, and the good education, all of which are available in lots of towns around here.

Also, there are several athletes at SLC that live in Grapevine, the part included in CISD. They're the lucky ones; taxes are less!

[DrEdward]

What are there, 60-80 young men on the varsity, another 150 total at the other levels in the Carroll program? So maybe, out of the 25,000 or so people living in Southlake, 330 to 350 families are involved in high school football. Average 4 people per family and you have around 1,400 out of the 25,000 that particpate in, or have a chance to participate in, varsity football at SLC. I would say that most people in Southlake care a lot less about hs football than most of the posters here. Sure, they want the hometown team to win, just like anyone else, but thats probably about it. I think the majority of people who move here just come for the nice place to live, proximity to DFW, and the good education, all of which are available in lots of towns around here.

Also, there are several athletes at SLC that live in Grapevine, the part included in CISD. They're the lucky ones; taxes are less!

On a comparable house, the taxes are indeed less, but not by much. The CISD tax is by far the largest component of the property tax bill, so any reduction is the Grapevine tax rate vs that of the city of Southlake. Of course, even those residents of Grapevine living in the CISD also pay the CISD tax. Of course, most, but not all, of the homes located in the Grapevine portion of the Carroll ISD are less expensive than the majority in the Southlake portion of the district. So that leads to considerable savings on the property taxes for them.

[dragons08]

some of you adults should share what you spend alone on taxes. thatd just prove its impossible to recruit. the cost of living is wayyyyyyyyyyy up there

[dragons08]

and football isnt hte only sport were good at..