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playthatball
11-29-2006, 08:30 AM
Because certain people who will remain nameless claim that BIG highschool teams dont play their best players both ways, I was wondering if any of ya'll can chime in and name some currently doing just that?
Last year Staton Jobe (WR/DB for Westlake) and Antwan Cobb (RB/LB for PVille) played both ways in various games.
I know I've read some Lufkin players doing this and I think RR did this against Lufkin, who else?
badger95
11-29-2006, 08:31 AM
WR/FS Brad Ballew for Westlake. Leads the team in both interceptions and TD catches.
BackNBlack97
11-29-2006, 08:32 AM
Bront Bird plays Safety and WR for OP... Robert Murry plays RB & CB... I think they have a few others... that's just off the top of my head...
leanderdad
11-29-2006, 08:50 AM
Josh McKinley...QB full time...DB...part time
RRDragons61
11-29-2006, 08:53 AM
Both RR's James Kirkendoll (WR/CB) and Jimmy Anderson (WR/CB) play both sides of the ball the entire game. Full time TE Alex Russian also see's time on the defensive side of the ball as well.
Pantherguy
11-29-2006, 09:03 AM
Hebron had several guys playing both ways this year....I personally don't think you can get away with it in the front seven/OL against most teams, and they had 2 guys that played on both lines...I think it can be done at the skill positions a little easier, but I know up here in DFW not many 5A teams do it...you see it a lot more on the 4A level...not saying it can't/shouldn't be done, you just don't see it much...
I am of the opinion that if you have skill players that need to be on the field, play them one way, and get them in the game on the other side of the ball when you really need them...playing a whole game both ways is tough...
crawford86
11-29-2006, 11:03 AM
Hebron had several guys playing both ways this year....I personally don't think you can get away with it in the front seven/OL against most teams, and they had 2 guys that played on both lines...I think it can be done at the skill positions a little easier, but I know up here in DFW not many 5A teams do it...you see it a lot more on the 4A level...not saying it can't/shouldn't be done, you just don't see it much...
I am of the opinion that if you have skill players that need to be on the field, play them one way, and get them in the game on the other side of the ball when you really need them...playing a whole game both ways is tough...
EXACTLY....yea im the one and another guy is the one hes tryin to prove wrong......most 5A teams dont play players both ways cuz its tough and they dont want there "best players" getting injured. If they are the man for the job at one position then they dont want them playin another position that much or at all cuz they dont want them to be exhausted. If a coach is smart then they DONT play there "good players" both ways cuz they dont want them getting hurt or being too tired to play..but he obviously doesnt know cuz hes never played football before, he just goes by with what he sees on the field. U might see kids playin both ways in 3A or 4A schools cuz they dont have many players....thats a given....do u see good players in college playin both ways.....
Favpack
11-29-2006, 11:11 AM
Both RR's James Kirkendoll (WR/CB) and Jimmy Anderson (WR/CB) play both sides of the ball the entire game. Full time TE Alex Russian also see's time on the defensive side of the ball as well.
And, both were very good at both positions. Ralph Thomas played 100% at db, and 50% at wr for Lufkin.
okt0ber
11-29-2006, 11:16 AM
Desmond Jackson of Seguin.
playthatball
11-29-2006, 11:18 AM
And, both were very good at both positions. Ralph Thomas played 100% at db, and 50% at wr for Lufkin.
Exactly...Lufkin's best player playing both ways.
Yes college players do it...Deion Sanders!!!
Why even lil ole Westlake did it with their very best player last year, Staton Jobe!!!
Dude u really have no clue, I have proven it time and time again so shut up and continue learning!!!
Big Daddy Cool
11-29-2006, 11:18 AM
The only team you really see doing it on the 5A level are those who don't have very many kids on the team to begin with. Most of your schools that field big squads only do it in the case of injury or just because they think a certain individual can help them out in a given situation. I know at North Shore every players has a postion on both sides of the ball, but very few have ever been called in to action.
playthatball
11-29-2006, 11:22 AM
Right this is about players PLAYING both ways not starting.
Any coach will do it if the situation present itself, like Antwan Cobb playing LB last year in BIG games.
twcpfan1
11-29-2006, 11:23 AM
Skaufel and Charbonnet, the Woodlands DB's play offense quite a bit, TB and WR respectively.
Sophomore Edward Porter DB and RB for College Park
drgnbkr
11-29-2006, 11:24 AM
Right this is about players PLAYING both ways not starting.
Any coach will do it if the situation present itself, like Antwan Cobb playing LB last year in BIG games.
Any coach will do it if they have to, not because they want to. Most 5-A programs are deep enough not to need to. Ralph Thomas is an exceptional athlete and Outlaw can't keep him off the field.
dragonsdaddy
11-29-2006, 11:27 AM
skill kids can't and should play both ways against the spread teams that use vertical passing schemes in the main. they will be at much less than peak efficiency in the second half due to fatigue. any 5a po team that depends on using their skill kids at cb/saf and wr are playing with borrowed time, imo.
twcpfan1
11-29-2006, 11:27 AM
Any coach will do it if they have to, not because they want to. Most 5-A programs are deep enough not to need to. Ralph Thomas is an exceptional athlete and Outlaw can't keep him off the field.
Yeah I remember Chase Daniel took over the kicking duties against SV in the 04 State Final when the regular SLC kicker was having an off day. I guess when it comes to winning time, you go with your best athletes.
drgnbkr
11-29-2006, 11:28 AM
Yeah I remember Chase Daniel took over the kicking duties against SV in the 04 State Final when the regular SLC kicker was having an off day. I guess when it comes to winning time, you go with your best athletes.
We wish Chase had punted more often that year, although we had several games where the Dragons never punted at all:o
Favpack
11-29-2006, 11:36 AM
We wish Chase had punted more often that year, although we had several games where the Dragons never punted at all:o
I think Dodge borrowed that idea from Lufkin when he saw J. Lane punting - lol - probably not. Believe it or not Jorvorskie Lane holds Lufkin's school record for net punt per attempt after that year.
Give me a qb that can semi-punt anyday.
twcpfan1
11-29-2006, 11:39 AM
I think Dodge borrowed that idea from Lufkin when he saw J. Lane punting - lol - probably not. Believe it or not Jorvorskie Lane holds Lufkin's school record for net punt per attempt after that year.
Give me a qb that can semi-punt anyday.
A WR who can punt would be good too. I think I would prefer the position as a last line of Defense than a QB. Kyle Drabek used to punt for The Woodlands.
planoball34
11-29-2006, 12:00 PM
The only team you really see doing it on the 5A level are those who don't have very many kids on the team to begin with. Most of your schools that field big squads only do it in the case of injury or just because they think a certain individual can help them out in a given situation. I know at North Shore every players has a postion on both sides of the ball, but very few have ever been called in to action.
I know Plano East (largest enrollment in N TX) plays Keenan (LB) at Tight end occasionally and have thrown a couple TD's his way. I am not sure why they do that as he has enough exposure as it is but they do. They also rotate a WR to defense quite often.
Bottom line large and small schools do it to some extent but I don't think they do it with very many guys especially the top players too often.
Texasfrog
11-29-2006, 12:10 PM
Here is my thought on the 2 way player aspect. This is regards to bigtime 5A and some bigtime 4A football.
I think having some positions like DB/WR dont matter as much. Plus, those guys in all honestly are still getting some nice breaks in the game.
The few guys that play LB/RB are usually fulltime at one position and seeing spot duty at the other. I havent seen one player over the years in Texas 5A that never left the field playing RB/LB. They play 100% LB & 25% RB during the game.
But the positions where it will kill your team more than anything having players going both ways is in the trenches (Lineman). I havent seen one bigtime Texas 5A team that had Lineman going both ways 100% of the time.
You'll see a kid playing OG for 100% of the game and coming in for special defense formations like shortyardage or Goalline but that's about it.
I know some kids are seeing a lot of action playing DB and WR for 80% of the game but with the "inside the box" positions where guys are leaning on each other every play for 90% of the game. That will kill your team.
Drphill
11-29-2006, 12:22 PM
Here is my thought on the 2 way player aspect. This is regards to bigtime 5A and some bigtime 4A football.
I think having some positions like DB/WR dont matter as much. Plus, those guys in all honestly are still getting some nice breaks in the game.
The few guys that play LB/RB are usually fulltime at one position and seeing spot duty at the other. I havent seen one player over the years in Texas 5A that never left the field playing RB/LB. They play 100% LB & 25% RB during the game.
But the positions where it will kill your team more than anything having players going both ways is in the trenches (Lineman). I havent seen one bigtime Texas 5A team that had Lineman going both ways 100% of the time.
You'll see a kid playing OG for 100% of the game and coming in for special defense formations like shortyardage or Goalline but that's about it.
I know some kids are seeing a lot of action playing DB and WR for 80% of the game but with the "inside the box" positions where guys are leaning on each other every play for 90% of the game. That will kill your team.
Hebron which I consider big time, had a DL/OL kid who was 1st team both ways and played Defense 100% and Offense maybe 75%. They have around 250 kids in their program but play the best kids most of the time. The District Defense Mvp Was a LB/TE for Hebron. After ten games of playing both ways, you get in great shape.
HebronDad
11-29-2006, 12:28 PM
Hebron which I consider big time, had a DL/OL kid who was 1st team both ways and played Defense 100% and Offense maybe 75%. They have around 250 kids in their program but play the best kids most of the time. The District Defense Mvp Was a LB/TE for Hebron. After ten games of playing both ways, you get in great shape.
You are correct...
Hebron has several that play both ways, my son being one. He's also on special teams. It's usually an "Advil night" after a game. :)
And yes, those boys are in great shape.
semi68
11-29-2006, 12:37 PM
Kales Gelles, Ethan Davis, and Logan Mullins were standouts on both sides of the ball for Grapevine. I think there were several others that got quite a bit of playing time on O and D.
dragonsdaddy
11-29-2006, 12:42 PM
You are correct...
Hebron has several that play both ways, my son being one. He's also on special teams. It's usually an "Advil night" after a game. :)
And yes, those boys are in great shape.
and all things being equal, give me 2 great 1 way players vs 1 great 2 way player every time. the 4th qtr is when these things lean way towards the 1 way players.
HebronDad
11-29-2006, 01:10 PM
and all things being equal, give me 2 great 1 way players vs 1 great 2 way player every time. the 4th qtr is when these things lean way towards the 1 way players.
Can't argue with good logic... Correct again.
Pantherguy
11-29-2006, 01:17 PM
Can't argue with good logic... Correct again.
Ya, I said this before the Cedar Hill game...Hebron is SO atheltic, but I think in 5A it hurts you to have as many two way players as they do...just my opinion...in 4A most of the schools have a lot of people doing this...but since 5A is mostly one way(especially lineman), I think it costs you against good teams...
my3sons
11-29-2006, 01:32 PM
Those teams that play their players both ways really limit their capabilities. It takes way too much out of them, especially the 4th quarter. Fortunately, SLC plays platoon football. Each side of the ball practices and plays with the same players. How does a two-way player get the proper practice time. Doesn't happen, except in smaller p[rograms where they work each side of the ball in consecutive fashion rather than working O and D simultaneously. The 5A teams that go both ways aren't usually very successful. Sure there are a few examples of success, but more often than not, it doesn't work.
leanderdad
11-29-2006, 03:24 PM
Right this is about players PLAYING both ways not starting.
Any coach will do it if the situation present itself, like Antwan Cobb playing LB last year in BIG games.
I thought for sure he played DB against us.
coachh
11-29-2006, 03:34 PM
I dont care if you have 300 kids on the Varsity team, if it will help the cause go for it. The Patriots do it, and they have what? 3 rings in the NFL in recent years? I think they have 2 guys that see action both ways. I am not a big NFL fan, but I think there is a DB and LB that play both ways sometimes. The DB plays some WR and the LB plays some TE.
CedarHillDad
11-29-2006, 04:32 PM
Just to add to this topic C.H. as a general rule only plays 1 way. There are a couple of Offensive players that will play Defense in Situational circumstances.
I have always thought Hebron was/is a good team, but it seemed like in both games we played this year we owned the second half. I think a lot of that can be attributed to the 2-way players on their team. Great Athletes, but at some point you do wear down.
RRDragons61
11-29-2006, 05:00 PM
Right this is about players PLAYING both ways not starting.
Any coach will do it if the situation present itself, like Antwan Cobb playing LB last year in BIG games.
Both RR's James Kirkendoll (WR/CB) and Jimmie Anderson (WR/CB) START at both positions and play the entire game at both. And like Favpack said, they are both very good.
dragonsdaddy
11-29-2006, 05:11 PM
Both RR's James Kirkendoll (WR/CB) and Jimmie Anderson (WR/CB) START at both positions and play the entire game at both. And like Favpack said, they are both very good.
i am very impressed with the 2 rr wins in the po's. how many more do you have in you? how about we meet in waco at the floyd and see how the other half lives. winner goes to sa.
RRDragons61
11-29-2006, 05:19 PM
i am very impressed with the 2 rr wins in the po's. how many more do you have in you? how about we meet in waco at the floyd and see how the other half lives. winner goes to sa.
That sounds awesome. Dragons vs. Dragons...got a nice ring to it. 2 more wins for each and that might just be possible.:D
ruffshod
11-29-2006, 06:06 PM
That sounds awesome. Dragons vs. Dragons...got a nice ring to it. 2 more wins for each and that might just be possible.:D
I predict a Dragon victory in that one if it comes to it.
dragonsdaddy
11-29-2006, 06:23 PM
I predict a Dragon victory in that one if it comes to it.
going way out on a limb again there roughshod.
jrock210
11-29-2006, 06:27 PM
i know last yr madisons qb i dont know his name played qb and kick returner for kickoffs and punts
Texasfrog
11-29-2006, 06:46 PM
Hebron which I consider big time, had a DL/OL kid who was 1st team both ways and played Defense 100% and Offense maybe 75%. They have around 250 kids in their program but play the best kids most of the time. The District Defense Mvp Was a LB/TE for Hebron. After ten games of playing both ways, you get in great shape.
I think Hebron is a very good Texas team this year. Probably in the #15-20 range overall in Texas.
But, they did get blowout out twice by Cedar Hill. Who it has been posted only has 2 kids that see anything that resembles two-way status and it's not even fulltime 2-way status.
Not saying that the kids arent very very good football players. I just think it takes a lot of "LINEMEN" that go both ways for 95% of the game. I think by late 3rd qt and all of the 4th qt it really takes a lot out of the big boys in the trenches.
Now, I see WR/DB going both ways for 80% of the game and I dont think it effects them really that much.
I see a kid that plays 100% LB and gets sometime at RB or TE for 20% of the game.
But, having the big boys (250 lbs) and fighting down in the trenches and having other big kids leaning on them all game long. I think it will really effect your team in the 2nd half when you're going against other 5A powers that really dont have any kids going both ways.
Also.. the early season in Texas (September & some in October) the heat and humidity even hurts those big boys even more in the 2nd half.
dragonsdaddy
11-29-2006, 06:53 PM
I think Hebron is a very good Texas team this year. Probably in the #15-20 range overall in Texas.
But, they did get blowout out twice by Cedar Hill. Who it has been posted only has 2 kids that see anything that resembles two-way status and it's not even fulltime 2-way status.
Not saying that the kids arent very very good football players. I just think it takes a lot of "LINEMEN" that go both ways for 95% of the game. I think by late 3rd qt and all of the 4th qt it really takes a lot out of the big boys in the trenches.
Now, I see WR/DB going both ways for 80% of the game and I dont think it effects them really that much.
I see a kid that plays 100% LB and gets sometime at RB or TE for 20% of the game.
But, having the big boys (250 lbs) and fighting down in the trenches and having other big kids leaning on them all game long. I think it will really effect your team in the 2nd half when you're going against other 5A powers that really dont have any kids going both ways.
Also.. the early season in Texas (September & some in October) the heat and humidity even hurts those big boys even more in the 2nd half.
if wr's can take some plays off while on offense, they might be able to survive against a vertical team like slc, but they would be in a crunch come crunch time. and like some smart poster has already alluded, their prep time in practice would preclude them from being at their best. nothing is more detrimental to a db than indecision due to inadequate preparation. if you aren't preparing as hard as the wr you are facing on the field, he has you at a huge disadvantage even while fresh. and you are done when tired late.
ruffshod
11-29-2006, 07:42 PM
going way out on a limb again there roughshod.
I could go even further and pick RR, but I won't. I think their depth will catch up to them. They played an exceptional game Sat, especially the 2 wr/db's. I'm like most others in this thread with the opinion that playing both ways for a full game in 5a can lead to fatigue, especially since those 2 are a big part of their offense.
GHSalumni
11-29-2006, 07:48 PM
Garland typically plays a large number of players at multiple positions. However, the Owls do a ton of rotating in and out on every other play to fight the fatigue. The Owls punter plays wide receiver a few times a game, and many of the Owl DB's play alot of RB and WR but they all trade in and out so much, they get plenty of rest. Garland's "power back" Hamilton Brooks started the season playing LB and Special teams and now transitioned to almost full time RB.
In a nutshell, a team with tons of all around athletes, but they do plenty of rotating in and out to not overwork these guys.
HebronHawk
11-29-2006, 08:32 PM
Just to add to this topic C.H. as a general rule only plays 1 way. There are a couple of Offensive players that will play Defense in Situational circumstances.
I have always thought Hebron was/is a good team, but it seemed like in both games we played this year we owned the second half. I think a lot of that can be attributed to the 2-way players on their team. Great Athletes, but at some point you do wear down.
I think that we get away with it in 95% of our games. After all, Hebron has lost to two teams in three years. Most of the teams we face are not the caliber of Cedar Hill. Even against "Nascar", we were fine.
dragons08
11-29-2006, 08:45 PM
lonny plays both ways :eek:
on a more serious note, can you count Anthony Ford? i cant remember if he played WR at all when he was filling in for his bro at CB
RRDragons61
11-29-2006, 11:25 PM
I could go even further and pick RR, but I won't. I think their depth will catch up to them. They played an exceptional game Sat, especially the 2 wr/db's. I'm like most others in this thread with the opinion that playing both ways for a full game in 5a can lead to fatigue, especially since those 2 are a big part of their offense.
I've been to every RR game this season, and at the start, yes, James and Jimmie playing both ways caught up to us ESP. against District Rival Westwood in that overtime heartbreaker. I would go as far to say as that cost us the ball game with a last pass dropped in the endzone by Jimmie to keep the game alive. That was simply because he was flat out dog tired
Throughout the season however, it has become almost non-existent that they play almost the entire game. They are truley two in-shape athletes who do not wear easily. They have been doing it all season long and they are in-shape for the long haul all game.
Unless they get hurt, I can't see that being a factor in any ball game.
my3sons
11-30-2006, 07:13 AM
lonny plays both ways :eek:
on a more serious note, can you count Anthony Ford? i cant remember if he played WR at all when he was filling in for his bro at CB
When Anthony filled in for his brother Arius at corner last year, that was his exclusive position. He didn't go on offense. You will recall SLC had a ton of WRs last year. As it was, he was getting very few reps on offense as it was. Players that play special teams are not considered as going both ways. 1 special teams play is normally the length of time they are playing. For example, a punt returner plays 1 play, then the offense comes in. Sustained drives is what causes fatigue. In the last 5 years of 5A football at Carroll I can not recall any players playing both ways. Mitch Enright might go in for a goal line stand every now and then, but as a rule, SLC plays platoon football.
slorch
11-30-2006, 07:16 AM
Both RR's James Kirkendoll (WR/CB) and Jimmy Anderson (WR/CB) play both sides of the ball the entire game. Full time TE Alex Russian also see's time on the defensive side of the ball as well.
did #60 play both ways? I would have sworn I saw him on both sides of the ball for RR.
RRDragons61
11-30-2006, 08:17 AM
did #60 play both ways? I would have sworn I saw him on both sides of the ball for RR.
Yeah, he is on OL and DL. Playing time varies though. Sometimes hes 100% OL, 50% DL...and then other times the other way around.
Gibson from Klien played LB also
slorch
11-30-2006, 09:18 AM
Gibson from Klien played LB also
no I'm pretty sure it was #38 Palmer. Heck, even their announcer gets them mixed up, because Palmer playes RB too.
no I'm pretty sure it was #38 Palmer. Heck, even their announcer gets them mixed up, because Palmer playes RB too.
In the program it had him listed as RB/LB also.....
ruffshod
11-30-2006, 03:27 PM
I've been to every RR game this season, and at the start, yes, James and Jimmie playing both ways caught up to us ESP. against District Rival Westwood in that overtime heartbreaker. I would go as far to say as that cost us the ball game with a last pass dropped in the endzone by Jimmie to keep the game alive. That was simply because he was flat out dog tired
Throughout the season however, it has become almost non-existent that they play almost the entire game. They are truley two in-shape athletes who do not wear easily. They have been doing it all season long and they are in-shape for the long haul all game.
Unless they get hurt, I can't see that being a factor in any ball game.
I've only been to 1, and I left very impressed. The play calling on offense was very efficient and the defense did an excellent job of shutting down an explosive LP offense. I was a little perplexed with the short field they were giving Lufkin on the kickoffs, but in the end, it didn't matter. Good luck the rest of the way.
Because certain people who will remain nameless claim that BIG highschool teams dont play their best players both ways, I was wondering if any of ya'll can chime in and name some currently doing just that?
Last year Staton Jobe (WR/DB for Westlake) and Antwan Cobb (RB/LB for PVille) played both ways in various games.
I know I've read some Lufkin players doing this and I think RR did this against Lufkin, who else?
Devon Thomas for SA madison is one.The only other one i can think of is that CB/WR from Seguin
dragons08
11-30-2006, 09:48 PM
When Anthony filled in for his brother Arius at corner last year, that was his exclusive position. He didn't go on offense. You will recall SLC had a ton of WRs last year. As it was, he was getting very few reps on offense as it was. Players that play special teams are not considered as going both ways. 1 special teams play is normally the length of time they are playing. For example, a punt returner plays 1 play, then the offense comes in. Sustained drives is what causes fatigue. In the last 5 years of 5A football at Carroll I can not recall any players playing both ways. Mitch Enright might go in for a goal line stand every now and then, but as a rule, SLC plays platoon football.
well i remember we were stacked and i recall i saw anthony play wr, but couldnt remember if it was before or after arius was hurt, he got hurt like after the 2nd or 3rd game wasnt it?
Vercingetorix
12-01-2006, 07:05 AM
Think that schools where D1 and near-D1 talent is scarce should consider spot play of the hosses on the other side of the ball -- if winning is everything or nearly everything. It's all specific to the situation and the player involved. That gets you into the playoffs, which is the first order of bidness for most, district champ second, long playoff run third, state champ only dreamed of.
I suspect that Cedar Hill has plenty who would do well on both sides -- but they don't need to. Hebron has indicated that it needs to. Probably is a factor in not having deep playoff runs in 5A.
Lineman subissue: If you have a 300 pound D1 OG/OT man-beast, I think you prepare him and put him in the defensive middle on 4th and 1, whether he is huffin and puffin or not.
slorch
12-01-2006, 07:10 AM
Think that schools where D1 and near-D1 talent is scarce should consider spot play of the hosses on the other side of the ball -- if winning is everything or nearly everything. It's all specific to the situation and the player involved. That gets you into the playoffs, which is the first order of bidness for most, district champ second, long playoff run third, state champ only dreamed of.
I suspect that Cedar Hill has plenty who would do well on both sides -- but they don't need to. Hebron has indicated that it needs to. Probably is a factor in not having deep playoff runs in 5A.
Lineman subissue: If you have a 300 pound D1 OG/OT man-beast, I think you prepare him and put him in the defensive middle on 4th and 1, whether he is huffin and puffin or not.
OK, you beat me on originality of your screenname. That looks like the eyechart without my glasses!:D
rangerpride
12-01-2006, 11:01 AM
SV doesn't play kids both ways unless you count special teams. Travis Constanzo was our Place kicker, punter, and a starter in the defensive back field. That's about as close to playing both ways is it gets at SV.
my3sons
12-01-2006, 03:25 PM
well i remember we were stacked and i recall i saw anthony play wr, but couldnt remember if it was before or after arius was hurt, he got hurt like after the 2nd or 3rd game wasnt it?
Arius got hurt in the Coppell game. Anthony then became a DB.
HebronHawk
12-01-2006, 08:30 PM
Think that schools where D1 and near-D1 talent is scarce should consider spot play of the hosses on the other side of the ball -- if winning is everything or nearly everything. It's all specific to the situation and the player involved. That gets you into the playoffs, which is the first order of bidness for most, district champ second, long playoff run third, state champ only dreamed of.
I suspect that Cedar Hill has plenty who would do well on both sides -- but they don't need to. Hebron has indicated that it needs to. Probably is a factor in not having deep playoff runs in 5A.
Lineman subissue: If you have a 300 pound D1 OG/OT man-beast, I think you prepare him and put him in the defensive middle on 4th and 1, whether he is huffin and puffin or not.
We have only been in 5A one year, so I don't know if I could say that yet. Cedar Hill could win the D2 State championship.
Hebron did have a All-District player make First Team both ways.
G/DE - DeCarlas Lue / 6'2" / 235 / 12 / Hebron
The District MVP: ILB/TE Max Blue from Hebron & WR/CB - Chris Miller / 6'4" / 180 / 12 / Hebron also went both ways.
Never Give Up
12-01-2006, 10:05 PM
I could go even further and pick RR, but I won't. I think their depth will catch up to them. They played an exceptional game Sat, especially the 2 wr/db's. I'm like most others in this thread with the opinion that playing both ways for a full game in 5a can lead to fatigue, especially since those 2 are a big part of their offense.
That would seem a rational conclusion, however, I have seen the RR two way players all year long and they just don't wear down, at least no more than the the players they match up against.
Being too deep can be an issue as well particularly if the second team players are given a lot of playing time through the year. I heard a few accounts from Round Rock players of the Lufkin Starters being very tired by the late 3rd quarter, at least one to the point of physical illness. The assumption was that the Lufkin Starters seldom played a whole game going even one way, let alone two which turned out to be a significant factor during their failed come back attempt.
Never Give Up, Never Give In
Leander 6136
12-02-2006, 11:40 AM
That would seem a rational conclusion, however, I have seen the RR two way players all year long and they just don't wear down, at least no more than the the players they match up against.
Being too deep can be an issue as well particularly if the second team players are given a lot of playing time through the year. I heard a few accounts from Round Rock players of the Lufkin Starters being very tired by the late 3rd quarter, at least one to the point of physical illness. The assumption was that the Lufkin Starters seldom played a whole game going even one way, let alone two which turned out to be a significant factor during their failed come back attempt.
Never Give Up, Never Give In
Guess there is something to be said for having to battle it out for 4 quarters every game. We have only been able to rest our starters 2 games, Mcneil and Killeen Ellison. I think our tough district games and pre-season schedule better prepared us for the play-offs. Besides J-Mac playing QB and part time DB Frank Rodriguez plays LB ful time and RB part time, Blake Gideon plays S full time and reciever part time, and Ryan Douglas DL full time and TE part time.
Brahma Boyz 2006
12-02-2006, 12:19 PM
Travis Lewis of SA Lee played RB/S pretty much all year. I believe he is headed to either USC or Oklahoma, next year
SACokeSooner
12-02-2006, 12:43 PM
Travis Lewis is going to Nebraska, I think as a linebacker.
I had thought Holmes had most of its players playing both ways, because of the numbers limitations they had this year (less than 30 varsity by end of season), but, now that I thought about it more, they only had one guy start both ways, at WR and DB, then one defensive starter played some WR, one running back played DB sometimes, and the quarterback played some at safety. One offensive tackle played goal line defense. They also had a guy who was like a utility player, who played tons of positions throughout the season, and played some defense and offense in the same games.
Brahma Boyz 2006
12-02-2006, 12:56 PM
ahhh thats right, i knew it was one of those teams, just couldnt remember Nebraska lol.
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