outlaw finally gets a piece of his own

[Buddy Moorehead]

all year i was sick and tired of hearing how good lufkin was. every week outlaw had another smart ace comment about how bad his opponent was and how their jv team could beat them. or even how their jv team could make the playoffs in their current district. this is absolutely ridiclious. he needs to quit being a comedian in the paper and needs to be focused about football.

[Sakatha]

all year i was sick and tired of hearing how good lufkin was. every week outlaw had another smart ace comment about how bad his opponent was and how their jv team could beat them. or even how their jv team could make the playoffs in their current district. this is absolutely ridiclious. he needs to quit being a comedian in the paper and needs to be focused about football.

Uh oh... Violent attack in..

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~DnM

[backthepack]

You don't know how bad I want to jump on this but I will refrain and let my boys pack08 and Favpack go crazy on you instead. Also, you are now Co-owner of my Moron of the Board Award.

[farmerfan]

all year i was sick and tired of hearing how good lufkin was. every week outlaw had another smart ace comment about how bad his opponent was and how their jv team could beat them. or even how their jv team could make the playoffs in their current district. this is absolutely ridiclious. he needs to quit being a comedian in the paper and needs to be focused about football.


Outlaw's track record speaks for itself. A few state championships, taken Lufkin into a program any would desire to be and countless deep playoff runs.
Did he ever make a statement like that concerning RR? I highly doubt it. Outlaw speaks the truth whether we like it or not. What he said about those teams probably had a lot of truth behind it. I have no doubt that Lufkin will be back with a vengence next year.

[RedRage00]

all year i was sick and tired of hearing how good lufkin was. every week outlaw had another smart ace comment about how bad his opponent was and how their jv team could beat them. or even how their jv team could make the playoffs in their current district. this is absolutely ridiclious. he needs to quit being a comedian in the paper and needs to be focused about football.


:eek:

this is gonna get good!

Let me get a front row seat....

[GRP05]

Okay, we all know that was really harsh and unnecessary, but it might have a little truth to it. Coach Outlaw is a great coach and Lufkin is a great program, but he often made comments that belittled their lesser opponents. I have no doubt he's a good person and worked the Panthers week in and week out, but I honestly think he spent too much time looking ahead and it came back and bit him.

[Old Fart]

I believe the Panthers were as good as the papers say. I only missed two of their games but watched them both on the tube. It is playoff time. Well Disciplined teams will make it and ultimately, SLC will have another state title.:cool:

[Favpack]

Hey, fire away - we knew it was coming. Outlaw never once spoke how good Lufkin was. I did hear several times him say "we played well" or "we stunk it up in the first half" things like that. And, I don't recall seeing Lufkin people saying how good we were. Yes, the Klein game brought out some comments just because of the magnitude of it - but I didn't see much else.

The comments on a team being bad - he speaks the truth, he's not going to sugar-coat a 55 point win against Magnolia as something we can all get giddy about. The JV comments stem from that. Frankly, I think he's still ticked they destroyed the East Texas district. Coach O doesn't particularly like beating up on Houston teams year after year after year - and he'd prefer to stay home and play teams and coaches he can speak to and relate to. Maybe he should keep a few of the comments to himself, but I can assure you they're not malicious.

[Old Fart]

I doubt the Panthers could have beaten Klein or Magnolia last Saturday. You have to at least show up, if you expect to win. Sry, I'm still trying to get over it.

[GRP05]

Hey, fire away - we knew it was coming. Outlaw never once spoke how good Lufkin was. I did hear several times him say "we played well" or "we stunk it up in the first half" things like that. And, I don't recall seeing Lufkin people saying how good we were. Yes, the Klein game brought out some comments just because of the magnitude of it - but I didn't see much else.

The comments on a team being bad - he speaks the truth, he's not going to sugar-coat a 55 point win against Magnolia as something we can all get giddy about. The JV comments stem from that. Frankly, I think he's still ticked they destroyed the East Texas district. Coach O doesn't particularly like beating up on Houston teams year after year after year - and he'd prefer to stay home and play teams and coaches he can speak to and relate to. Maybe he should keep a few of the comments to himself, but I can assure you they're not malicious.

You're right. He doesn't need to sugarcoat any of his big wins, but at times during the regular season he was reported downing teams before they even played. I know we had a thread linked to an article before one of the last few games on the reg season with Outlaw saying something like "My team will probably get more experience and a bigger test in practice than on Friday". MAYBE he should have been more focused on getting the team ready for RR. :confused:

[LUFPAN]

all year i was sick and tired of hearing how good lufkin was. every week outlaw had another smart ace comment about how bad his opponent was and how their jv team could beat them. or even how their jv team could make the playoffs in their current district. this is absolutely ridiclious. he needs to quit being a comedian in the paper and needs to be focused about football.

You must have really been sick and tired the week Lufkin took the Woodlands behind the woodshed on national t.v.

[Pack87]

You're right. He doesn't need to sugarcoat any of his big wins, but at times during the regular season he was reported downing teams before they even played. I know we had a thread linked to an article before one of the last few games on the reg season with Outlaw saying something like "My team will probably get more experience and a bigger test in practice than on Friday". MAYBE he should have been more focused on getting the team ready for RR. :confused:

Get your head out of your butt. It was not even playoff time when he said that and we had no idea we would be playing RR. What he said had no bearing on the playoffs and getting prepared for the playoffs.

[Buddy Moorehead]

I don't think this team lacks for confidence," Outlaw said. "This group of seniors has lost a total of two games since they were in eighth grade, and both of those were to those Dragons from Southlake. These guys are accustomed to winning." --maybe got too accustomed to winning?? those guys read the paper and got too big of a head and thought the state title was going to be given to them.

[GRP05]

Get your head out of your butt. It was not even playoff time when he said that and we had no idea we would be playing RR. What he said had no bearing on the playoffs and getting prepared for the playoffs.

Listen, I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm being serious. I know it wasn't playoff time, but I'm talking about his mindset. NO ONE expected Lufkin to lose, and getting into the habit of blowing out teams week after week can make you look ahead. I just believe Lufkin was focusing on the semis a little too early.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

:eek:

this is gonna get good!

Let me get a front row seat....
In the words of T.O., "Getcha popcorn ready!" This dude is asking for it.

[RedRage00]

What I find funny is that Coach Outlaw can "speak his mind" but if another coach was to say something like that yall would be the first to throw out the " he has no class" card.....just my observation.

[kchsfan]

The talent level on this Lufkin team is what coaches drool over. Outlaw has had this type of talent for several years and has left it short but never this short. Outlaw was clearly out coached.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

What I find funny is that Coach Outlaw can "speak his mind" but if another coach was to say something like that yall would be the first to throw out the " he has no class" card.....just my observation.
I never thought of that.

[LUFPAN]

Outlaw was clearly out coached.

No argument on that point.

[Favpack]

You're right. He doesn't need to sugarcoat any of his big wins, but at times during the regular season he was reported downing teams before they even played. I know we had a thread linked to an article before one of the last few games on the reg season with Outlaw saying something like "My team will probably get more experience and a bigger test in practice than on Friday". MAYBE he should have been more focused on getting the team ready for RR. :confused:
Maybe you're right GRP. The comment honestly didn't bother me and I have no interest in being associated with someone who is overly-cocky. I can't stand it - it makes me ill - and he's not that way. I honestly feel he used those comments to temper's people expectations - the average Joe fan thinking we'd be everyone 55-0. But, I do agree I'd tell him to bite his tongue a time or two next year if I were his PR person.

[Favpack]

I don't think this team lacks for confidence," Outlaw said. "This group of seniors has lost a total of two games since they were in eighth grade, and both of those were to those Dragons from Southlake. These guys are accustomed to winning." --maybe got too accustomed to winning?? those guys read the paper and got too big of a head and thought the state title was going to be given to them.

No on the trophy being given to them - maybe on the over-confident. Look, RR shocked the world - huge upset - a 4th place team beating the no. 1 or 2 team in state. What more can you say?

[playthatball]

Truth of the matter is Outlaw is just like Mack Brown....

If it werent for the athletes they would be assistances!!!

[ACM Dad]

Coaches devise game plans, work on details, try to motivate, etc.,. But, at the end of the day, those young men from Lufkin had to get out there and make the plays. They did not. I would be hard pressed to imagine that any Lufkin coach took RR lightly. Far from it. I'm sure they kept pounding into the players heads to get ready, be prepared, and so on. The players were looking ahead and it bit them in the ***.

I saw the exact same thing with Consol the week before. I watched our Coach on TV the night before the game saying that he was worried about RR, they reminded him of us last year. I can guarantee you that our coaches did their best to get our guys ready.

But, our guys and I'm sure Lufkins as well, had people from all over town talking about a round two matchup with Lufkin. It was on everyone's lips around here. (Lots of Lufkin folks here at Aggieland). heck, even on our own TV coaches show, the local radio host guy was the same way. All he wanted to talk about was Lufkin!

I'm sure all the Lufkin kids heard about was SLC beating ET and the big matchup against SLC yet again. They looked ahead and now they're out. Blaming the coaches is just plain wrong. If the coach calls a dumb play, then bust his cajones. If you're a 16-18 year old young man going into a playoff game, how the hell do you not "get up for the game"???

My experience with young people is that there are times where you can tell them some stuff till you're blue in the face and they won't hear you!

Is Outlaw a bit cocky? I dunno. I've never met him or heard him talk. But, if I had his run of success, I'd probably be a bit cocky as well. My grandma used to tell me "it ain't braggin' if you can back it up".

Lufkin haters are welcome to take their shots. It'll help us figure out quickly who the haters are around here.

Lufkin fans talked a lot of smack this season. Now they're eating crow. What more do you want?

[drgnbkr]

Truth of the matter is Outlaw is just like Mack Brown....

If it werent for the athletes they would be assistances!!!

You are bouncing around the threads bashing Lufkin..which is your right, but it is my right to point out that you are looking a bit foolish...savor the win, deal with it with some dignity....:D

[playthatball]

You are bouncing around the threads bashing Lufkin..which is your right, but it is my right to point out that you are looking a bit foolish...savor the win, deal with it with some dignity....:D

Not enough to do in little ole Southlake?

Look Im just trying to compete against the Lufkin is KING posters here, cuz Im defintely the minority!!!

[drgnbkr]

Not enough to do in little ole Southlake?

You need to go back to class noob....

[ACM Dad]

Not enough to do in little ole Southlake?

Look Im just trying to compete against the Lufkin is KING posters here, cuz Im defintely the minority!!!

You should take a lesson from your team and coaches and handle the win with class.

[drgnbkr]

Not enough to do in little ole Southlake?

Look Im just trying to compete against the Lufkin is KING posters here, cuz Im defintely the minority!!!

Lufkin is'nt King to us..but they are a very worthy adversary...and we respect the hell out of them and their fans.

[lonny23]

:eek:

this is gonna get good!

Let me get a front row seat....
You forgot the popcorn this time!:p

[playthatball]

You should take a lesson from your team and coaches and handle the win with class.


Why am I team or coach....no dumb AGGIE Im a fan and therefore can say and act as I wish!!!

[ACM Dad]

Why am I team or coach....no dumb AGGIE Im a fan and therefore can say and act as I wish!!!

Started to respond, but I keep hearing Grandma telling me "if you wrestle with a pig, both get dirty but the pig loves it"

Flame away. Make all of Round Rock proud.

[drgnbkr]

Started to respond, but I keep hearing Grandma telling me "if you wrestle with a pig, both get dirty but the pig loves it"

Flame away. Make all of Round Rock proud.
Ha!

[playthatball]

Started to respond, but I keep hearing Grandma telling me "if you wrestle with a pig, both get dirty but the pig loves it"

Flame away. Make all of Round Rock proud.

Wouldnt this be a response?....Oh well I will consider the source (Aggie proven)

[drgnbndfan35]

Wouldnt this be a response?....Oh well I will consider the source (Aggie proven)
Dude...you're kinda mean. I appreciate the win over two very tough teams, but rubbing it in is a sign of immaturity. Hopefully you're an exception in Round Rock and not the norm.

Oh, and the Aggies beat Texas. Must be doing something right.

[playthatball]

Dude...you're kinda mean. I appreciate the win over two very tough teams, but rubbing it in is a sign of immaturity. Hopefully you're an exception in Round Rock and not the norm.

Oh, and the Aggies beat Texas. Must be doing something right.


Oh Im sorry did I hurt your feelings, I didnt realize I was typing to you???

Yeah the Aggies are, they are doing so well!!!

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Better savor this win, cause if, IF yall make the playoffs again next year and face LP I seriously doubt this outcome will happen again. :cool:

[RRDragons61]

all year i was sick and tired of hearing how good lufkin was. every week outlaw had another smart ace comment about how bad his opponent was and how their jv team could beat them. or even how their jv team could make the playoffs in their current district. this is absolutely ridiclious. he needs to quit being a comedian in the paper and needs to be focused about football.

This is a ridiculous comment. I have not followed however, the Lufkin program as close as others. I do know that they are always a powerhouse and it has been that way ever since Outlaw got there. Their track record speaks for itself. And talking to him after the game briefly after the loss, he was very respectful to me even though I am just a high school journalist. He admitted honestly that he got "outcoached" and "outplayed". That it. Plain and simple. On this day, that was simply the case.

[twcpfan1]

Coaches devise game plans, work on details, try to motivate, etc.,. But, at the end of the day, those young men from Lufkin had to get out there and make the plays. They did not. I would be hard pressed to imagine that any Lufkin coach took RR lightly. Far from it. I'm sure they kept pounding into the players heads to get ready, be prepared, and so on. The players were looking ahead and it bit them in the ***.

I saw the exact same thing with Consol the week before. I watched our Coach on TV the night before the game saying that he was worried about RR, they reminded him of us last year. I can guarantee you that our coaches did their best to get our guys ready.

But, our guys and I'm sure Lufkins as well, had people from all over town talking about a round two matchup with Lufkin. It was on everyone's lips around here. (Lots of Lufkin folks here at Aggieland). heck, even on our own TV coaches show, the local radio host guy was the same way. All he wanted to talk about was Lufkin!

I'm sure all the Lufkin kids heard about was SLC beating ET and the big matchup against SLC yet again. They looked ahead and now they're out. Blaming the coaches is just plain wrong. If the coach calls a dumb play, then bust his cajones. If you're a 16-18 year old young man going into a playoff game, how the hell do you not "get up for the game"???

My experience with young people is that there are times where you can tell them some stuff till you're blue in the face and they won't hear you!

Is Outlaw a bit cocky? I dunno. I've never met him or heard him talk. But, if I had his run of success, I'd probably be a bit cocky as well. My grandma used to tell me "it ain't braggin' if you can back it up".

Lufkin haters are welcome to take their shots. It'll help us figure out quickly who the haters are around here.

Lufkin fans talked a lot of smack this season. Now they're eating crow. What more do you want?

Outlaw was clearly outcoached. He has to shoulder a lot of the blame. I must admit, while I am one of the ones who picked Lufkin to go all the way, a part of me was pleased that Outlaw had it handed to him. His earlier comments regarding his District Opponents in 15-5a , while honest, I thought was disrespectful. On the other hand, I also must point out that he showed a lot of class by not running up the score against us this year. They clearly could have beaten us by more than the 55-9 score that night.

[playthatball]

And talking to him after the game briefly after the loss, he was very respectful to me even though I am just a high school journalist. He admitted honestly that he got "outcoached" and "outplayed". That it. Plain and simple. On this day, that was simply the case.

This is the same statment made in every Lufkin PO lost, "outcoached" is the main emphasis of this thread!!!

[stevefoxsc]

all year i was sick and tired of hearing how good lufkin was. every week outlaw had another smart ace comment about how bad his opponent was and how their jv team could beat them. or even how their jv team could make the playoffs in their current district. this is absolutely ridiclious. he needs to quit being a comedian in the paper and needs to be focused about football.


We'll i'll say this if he honestly said that he got what he deserved by losing to RR.

I've never known him for being the type to insult another team like that.

[BayouBoy34]

all year i was sick and tired of hearing how good lufkin was. every week outlaw had another smart ace comment about how bad his opponent was and how their jv team could beat them. or even how their jv team could make the playoffs in their current district. this is absolutely ridiclious. he needs to quit being a comedian in the paper and needs to be focused about football.


You're kidding right???? I've been a Katy fan since 1992 and still have nightmares from those two opening season games a few years back. They have a great program and would still beat most, if not the rest, of the teams in the state. They had a bad game - that is all. Outlaw is a great coach. Please don't belittle their program on just one bad game.:confused:

[stevefoxsc]

You need to go back to class noob....

Wow i'd never though i'd see old people use noob

[LP-79]

You know I was going to lay low for awhile, not post anything just read them all. I am glad Beaux is not on today because he might get banned again after tearing "playthatball" a new a__hol_. Some people from RR are showing they are not used to winning. Hey you beat Lufkin last Sat. Ok now forget about it and get ready for next game. Or you will lose and lose bad. Win or lose you should be gracious. I for one am glad that Coach Outlaw is a outspoken man. In this politically correct era we live in he is refreshing. If lufkin sucks he says they do! If the team we play has a bad day he says that. He never tries to run the score up. But he does let his team play their game. All I can hope is that next year Lufkin plays Round Rock again. NO MERCY BABY that team will get an old fashioned east Texas behind the barn butt wipping. That is not a brag I just know how it will be. Round Rock I wish you the best in the rest of the playoffs. Now how many teams out there would like to have Outlaw as a coach? How many teams out there would like to have Lufkin's record over the last few years? Play that Ball learn to win and lose with dignity!

[RRDragons61]

You know I was going to lay low for awhile, not post anything just read them all. I am glad Beaux is not on today because he might get banned again after tearing "playthatball" a new a__hol_. Some people from RR are showing they are not used to winning. Hey you beat Lufkin last Sat. Ok now forget about it and get ready for next game. Or you will lose and lose bad. Win or lose you should be gracious. I for one am glad that Coach Outlaw is a outspoken man. In this politically correct era we live in he is refreshing. If lufkin sucks he says they do! If the team we play has a bad day he says that. He never tries to run the score up. But he does let his team play their game. All I can hope is that next year Lufkin plays Round Rock again. NO MERCY BABY that team will get an old fashioned east Texas behind the barn butt wipping. That is not a brag I just know how it will be. Round Rock I wish you the best in the rest of the playoffs. Now how many teams out there would like to have Outlaw as a coach? How many teams out there would like to have Lufkin's record over the last few years? Play that Ball learn to win and lose with dignity!

Just a few questions and comments about yours. I sincerely want to know how you can see we are not used to winning. Grant it, we may not be, but I have seen no evidence of us talking smack, leaving overrated comments towards the LP program. I have nothing but compliments for Outlaw. I do know for a face however, that our football team and coaching staff has been nothing but focused on Allen today. They are totally focused on this week and simply riding the momentum that we rightfully earned from knocking out 2 top ten teams. Our fans are allowed to talk about this win ALL week. We are not the ones preparing for this game. Best of luck next season LP and I do hope as well that we meet again in the future.

[playthatball]

You know I was going to lay low for awhile, not post anything just read them all. I am glad Beaux is not on today because he might get banned again after tearing "playthatball" a new a__hol_. Some people from RR are showing they are not used to winning. Hey you beat Lufkin last Sat. Ok now forget about it and get ready for next game. Or you will lose and lose bad. Win or lose you should be gracious. I for one am glad that Coach Outlaw is a outspoken man. In this politically correct era we live in he is refreshing. If lufkin sucks he says they do! If the team we play has a bad day he says that. He never tries to run the score up. But he does let his team play their game. All I can hope is that next year Lufkin plays Round Rock again. NO MERCY BABY that team will get an old fashioned east Texas behind the barn butt wipping. That is not a brag I just know how it will be. Round Rock I wish you the best in the rest of the playoffs. Now how many teams out there would like to have Outlaw as a coach? How many teams out there would like to have Lufkin's record over the last few years? Play that Ball learn to win and lose with dignity!

Y am I a RR fan.....Im not Im a Lufkin anitfan...cuz ppl need to understand the truth and the truth is Lufkin is a UNDERACHIEVER when it comes to the POs....they always lose at some point in the POs due to lack of discipline and lack of heart!!!

[LP-79]

Just a few questions and comments about yours. I sincerely want to know how you can see we are not used to winning. Grant it, we may not be, but I have seen no evidence of us talking smack, leaving overrated comments towards the LP program. I have nothing but compliments for Outlaw. I do know for a face however, that our football team and coaching staff has been nothing but focused on Allen today. They are totally focused on this week and simply riding the momentum that we rightfully earned from knocking out 2 top ten teams. Our fans are allowed to talk about this win ALL week. We are not the ones preparing for this game. Best of luck next season LP and I do hope as well that we meet again in the future.
I was not pointing my comments at you. I was specifically calling one poster classless.

[Pantherdan]

First and foremost let me congratulate an awsome RR team. From what I heard on the radio they deserve to be where they are. Lufkin I have no doubt will be back. RR deserves to relish the win with pride. Yes they did knock out two top tier teams in the state. I would go so far as to say if they keep their level of play up, they might go all the way. Personally I will be rooting for them the rest of this year. To be the champion you have to beat the champion.

I think they got a shot.

Keep in mind, it only gets tougher. I guarantee not many teams from here on out will let you build that kind of lead on them.

Lufkin got beat plain and simple thats why they play the games.

RR go for it, take it to the house and give em all a suprise.


GO DRAGONS

[Bobcat Pride]

Y am I a RR fan.....Im not Im a Lufkin anitfan...cuz ppl need to understand the truth and the truth is Lufkin is a UNDERACHIEVER when it comes to the POs....they always lose at some point in the POs due to lack of discipline and lack of heart!!!

Have you not noticed the chivalry on this site? I don't think you understand how much you stand out compared to the majority of the users here. I think everyone understands how big of a win this was for RR, but in no way does it mean that Lufkin is undisciplined and anything short of a great team. It's easy to tell that RR is now fully taking advantage of the potential they've had all along, and it seems RR will be recognized as an amazing team far into the future. How would you like it if a bunch of fans from Allen rip on y'all in the event that you lose this week's game? If you lose, does it make RR any less of a team? Of course not.

[whyzat]

You know I was going to lay low for awhile, not post anything just read them all. I am glad Beaux is not on today because he might get banned again after tearing "playthatball" a new a__hol_. Some people from RR are showing they are not used to winning. Hey you beat Lufkin last Sat. Ok now forget about it and get ready for next game. Or you will lose and lose bad. Win or lose you should be gracious. I for one am glad that Coach Outlaw is a outspoken man. In this politically correct era we live in he is refreshing. If lufkin sucks he says they do! If the team we play has a bad day he says that. He never tries to run the score up. But he does let his team play their game. All I can hope is that next year Lufkin plays Round Rock again. NO MERCY BABY that team will get an old fashioned east Texas behind the barn butt wipping. That is not a brag I just know how it will be. Round Rock I wish you the best in the rest of the playoffs. Now how many teams out there would like to have Outlaw as a coach? How many teams out there would like to have Lufkin's record over the last few years? Play that Ball learn to win and lose with dignity!

Exactly!...and that goes for everybody. Whether it originates in a coaches interview, or is cyber transmitted anonymously, this "smack" takes on a life of it's own, and the level of civility heads straight South. What is outspoken honesty to one fan is blatant disrespect to another, and could very well call into question the dignity with which you urge all to win and lose. It seems reckless and unnecessary to me...sort of like being brutally honest when asked "Honey, do you think I'm putting on weight." You should always be aware there will be a price to pay, and NO MERCY BABY, particularly in the case of the example.:p

[Favpack]

Exactly!...and that goes for everybody. Whether it originates in a coaches interview, or is cyber transmitted anonymously, this "smack" takes on a life of it's own, and the level of civility heads straight South. What is outspoken honesty to one fan is blatant disrespect to another, and could very well call into question the dignity with which you urge all to win and lose. It seems reckless and unnecessary to me...sort of like being brutally honest when asked "Honey, do you think I'm putting on weight." You should always be aware there will be a price to pay, and NO MERCY BABY, particularly in the case of the example.:p

My better half would say - yep - get to the gym and start working it off!:D Speaking of that - I'm off to the gym.

[Katyexrb29]

Y am I a RR fan.....Im not Im a Lufkin anitfan...cuz ppl need to understand the truth and the truth is Lufkin is a UNDERACHIEVER when it comes to the POs....they always lose at some point in the POs due to lack of discipline and lack of heart!!!

He's trying to get a high from you guys. Ignore his comments, let the thread die, and let KT take care of him.

[Lp78]

all year i was sick and tired of hearing how good lufkin was. every week outlaw had another smart ace comment about how bad his opponent was and how their jv team could beat them. or even how their jv team could make the playoffs in their current district. this is absolutely ridiclious. he needs to quit being a comedian in the paper and needs to be focused about football.

Dude, when you beat Lufkin, then run your trap! Lufkin was put in this District that was owned by TW for years.
I'll say it! In the last 3 years, Lufkin's JV would've probably made the play offs as the 3rd or 4th place team at least twice. Look at the scores the last three years.

R.R. congratulations & good luck the rest of the play offs.

We've (Lufkin) had some great games against a # of outstanding teams in the play offs the past several years. That was the worst whipping I've seen put on our team.

LP78

[stevefoxsc]

Dude, when you beat Lufkin, then run your trap! Lufkin was put in this District that was owned by TW for years.
I'll say it! In the last 3 years, Lufkin's JV would've probably made the play offs as the 3rd or 4th place team at least twice. Look at the scores the last three years.

R.R. congratulations & good luck the rest of the play offs.

We've (Lufkin) had some great games against a # of outstanding teams in the play offs the past several years. That was the worst whipping I've seen put on our team.

LP78

was it as bad as 2003

[Lp78]

"was it as bad as 2003"

Worse :(

[ktCarl]

Outlaw can come down here and coach at Katy! He's one of the better high school coaches in Texas. This Lufkin loss reminds me of the 1967 Superbowl when the heavily favored Baltimore Colts lost to the upstart New York Jets. I think at one time the Colts were favored by 24 points. Well the Colts lost but it didn't mean they were overrated or lacked discipline. The Jets just played better that day. RR played better than Lufkin and congrats to them. I also think the Lufkin fans have been more than gracious. I don't know why some people want to poke a stick in the LP poster's eyes. :confused:

[DHS83]

Y am I a RR fan.....Im not Im a Lufkin anitfan...cuz ppl need to understand the truth and the truth is Lufkin is a UNDERACHIEVER when it comes to the POs....they always lose at some point in the POs due to lack of discipline and lack of heart!!!
Im glad to know that Im not the only one who thinks the way you do.

[Long Tall Texan]

those guys read the paper and got too big of a head and thought the state title was going to be given to them.


My thoughts exactly. Talent without effort is a waste.

[playthatball]

Have you not noticed the chivalry on this site? I don't think you understand how much you stand out compared to the majority of the users here. I think everyone understands how big of a win this was for RR, but in no way does it mean that Lufkin is undisciplined and anything short of a great team. It's easy to tell that RR is now fully taking advantage of the potential they've had all along, and it seems RR will be recognized as an amazing team far into the future. How would you like it if a bunch of fans from Allen rip on y'all in the event that you lose this week's game? If you lose, does it make RR any less of a team? Of course not.

Do you not know how to read?....Im not a RR fan!!!

[Winston]

Hey I missed the Lufkin victory over Klein. Did Outlaw run all running plays in the second half of that game, or was he still airing it out once the lead got to be 50 or so?

[Drake]

I don't care how talented you are, nobody will be too intimidated if you wear yellow socks...

[dragonsfan]

You're right. He doesn't need to sugarcoat any of his big wins, but at times during the regular season he was reported downing teams before they even played. I know we had a thread linked to an article before one of the last few games on the reg season with Outlaw saying something like "My team will probably get more experience and a bigger test in practice than on Friday". MAYBE he should have been more focused on getting the team ready for RR. :confused:

I never cease to be amazed at the things I see here. If Coach Outlaw actually said this (in a place he could be quoted) about his next opponent; nondistrict, district or playoffs, he should be ashamed of himself. Maybe the lack of discipline in Lufkin I am hearing about on this string starts at the top? That's not a coach talking.

[Winston]

Hey I missed the Lufkin victory over Klein. Did Outlaw run all running plays in the second half of that game, or was he still airing it out once the lead got to be 50 or so?
OMG did I kill the thread?

[Lp78]

OMG did I kill the thread?

"Lufkin gained 365 yards of offense in the first half and actually pulled their offensive starters with four minutes left before the break."

http://www.lufkindailynews.com/sports/content/sports/stories/2006/11/19/lufkin_wins.html

[Winston]

So the 2nd half was basically all running plays?

[Buddy Moorehead]

People are on here talking about how great a coach he really is. But my question is, Is he that great of a coach? How much coaching does he really do in practice? Is he good because he hired great assistants?

[PackAttack2005]

John Outlaw is involved in every phase of the game on and off the practice field every day. Like most successful head coaches, he is only as good as the assistants he has surrounding him.

Frankly, 14-5A did stink this year, all 4 teams are gone from that district in the 2nd round.

The lack of playing tough competiton, as Lufkin had with their old East Texas district finally made a difference this year.

A team like Round Rock, who had to play hard all year long and had to win their final game to make the playoffs are proof of a team that had been tested under fire and Lufkin who did not have a close game until last Saturday.

[lovethelions]

John Outlaw is involved in every phase of the game on and off the practice field every day. Like most successful head coaches, he is only as good as the assistants he has surrounding him.

Frankly, 14-5A did suck this year, all 4 teams are gone from that district in the 2nd round.

The lack of playing tough competiton, as Lufkin had with their old East Texas district finally made a difference this year.

A team like Round Rock, who had to play hard all year long and had to win their final game to make the playoffs are proof of a team that had been tested under fire and Lufkin who did not have a close game until last Saturday.

You mean 15-5A?
Personally, I think it's pointless to criticize Coach Outlaw. With the kind of program he's run all these years, I'm sure he is his own best critic.

[PackAttack2005]

Yes, I did mean 15-5A. Thanks for the correction.

My head is still spinning from that thrashing we took Saturday from 14-5A Round Rock.

By the way 14-5A gets my vote as one of the toughest districts this year.

[lovethelions]

Yes, I did mean 15-5A. Thanks for the correction.

My head is still spinning from that thrashing we took Saturday from 14-5A Round Rock.

By the way 14-5A gets my vote as one of the toughest districts this year.

Thank you! :)

[Favpack]

People are on here talking about how great a coach he really is. But my question is, Is he that great of a coach? How much coaching does he really do in practice? Is he good because he hired great assistants?
He won state the very first year he coached - his assistants were probably his wife and some math teacher. Do you have a point? I mean, are we supposed to stop beating The Woodz every year because you think we're over-rated? Get back to me next October - I say our unblemished district record is not in jeopardy.

[twcpfan1]

He won state the very first year he coached - his assistants were probably his wife and some math teacher. Do you have a point? I mean, are we supposed to stop beating The Woodz every year because you think we're over-rated? Get back to me next October - I say our unblemished district record is not in jeopardy.

Oh cool. The 15-5A trash talking has already started for 2007. I guess we might as well since we've all been relegated to spectators with still 4 weeks to go in the season.

[Sakatha]

Yes, I did mean 15-5A. Thanks for the correction.

My head is still spinning from that thrashing we took Saturday from 14-5A Round Rock.

By the way 14-5A gets my vote as one of the toughest districts this year.

Nice rebound... Man... I am shocked you weren't posting somewhere about how RR ran up the score, up 31-18, with only a few minutes left...

~DnM

[Favpack]

Nice rebound... Man... I am shocked you weren't posting somewhere about how RR ran up the score, up 31-18, with only a few minutes left...

~DnM
Naww, he wouldn't do that - they were running the ball. :D C'mon man - do I need to put on my UN Ambassador hat again? That thing is ugly.

[Favpack]

Oh cool. The 15-5A trash talking has already started for 2007. I guess we might as well since we've all been relegated to spectators with still 4 weeks to go in the season.

Pointless to dialogue with someone like that dad - you finally just have move on - and next year is on for all of us. I personally hope and think the district will be more competetive.

[slorch]

You're right. He doesn't need to sugarcoat any of his big wins, but at times during the regular season he was reported downing teams before they even played. I know we had a thread linked to an article before one of the last few games on the reg season with Outlaw saying something like "My team will probably get more experience and a bigger test in practice than on Friday". MAYBE he should have been more focused on getting the team ready for RR. :confused:
he wasn't incorrect in assessing the talent of his 2nd and 3rd teams VS. the oher 2 schools.

[PackAttack2005]

I give credit where it is due. We got "Rocked" last Saturday. Allen better watch out for those guys.

Sakatha, Do I owe you money?

[mse]

Yes, I did mean 15-5A. Thanks for the correction.

My head is still spinning from that thrashing we took Saturday from 14-5A Round Rock.

By the way 14-5A gets my vote as one of the toughest districts this year.


I guess you haven't heard of The 265 :rolleyes:

[PackAttack2005]

Can't judge you guys in 26-5A, cause we never play you.

How many of you are still in the playoffs over there?

[mse]

Pack:

I was just kiddin' with you. After an entire season of 26-5a asserting that neither Lufkin nor Southlake could ever go undefeated in their district, they dropped 2 games in the first round and 1 in the 2nd (I think this is right) and only have one left (that won its 2nd round game in 4OT).

Really wanted to play ya'll again this year, sorry it is over for you.

[Sakatha]

I give credit where it is due. We got "Rocked" last Saturday. Allen better watch out for those guys.

Sakatha, Do I owe you money?

Sorry... Been known to hold a grudge...

I just didn't see you chiming in when we beat ET using the same 2 min drill that we practice *every* game at the end of the first half regardless of the score... The LV game was the same deal, and it was explained to you why...

I might just hold onto the angst awhile longer. I enjoy it regarding you for some reason...

See, you are the KING on this board of the subtle stab. You say some backhanded BS and then run and hide behind some crapola of 'Oh, I didn't mean that!!!'

~DnM

[Sakatha]

Naww, he wouldn't do that - they were running the ball. :D C'mon man - do I need to put on my UN Ambassador hat again? That thing is ugly.

Ya, I admit it... That was maybe uncalled for.

:)

~DnM

[pack0808]

I know many thought I would go off on a few on this thread but I have tried to ignore it because it is not worth it. Many speak about stuff they have no clue about. Outlaw is one of the best coaches around (multiple state champion winner) and has been the winningest coach in the team's history where ever he has gone. He brought LP their first state championship and has a unbelievable regular season and playoff record since coming to LP. I mean LP has been to at least the state semis in 4 of the last 6 years including a state championsihp so give me a break on the folding in the playoffs stuff. Lufkin simply got out played and out coached last Saturday and there is nothing more that we LP fans can say. We are all shocked and humbled here in LP land. Outlaw is still a great coach IMO. Move on.

[RedRage00]

Pack:

I was just kiddin' with you. After an entire season of 26-5a asserting that neither Lufkin nor Southlake could ever go undefeated in their district, they dropped 2 games in the first round and 1 in the 2nd (I think this is right) and only have one left (that won its 2nd round game in 4OT).

Really wanted to play ya'll again this year, sorry it is over for you.

Wrong.

MacArthur and Reagan are still playing.

RR

[pack0808]

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[PackAttack2005]

Sakatha, there you go again, I am not going to get into a war of words with you. You can believe what you want, but your way off base in your assesment of me..

SLC will probably win it all again this year while the Panthers sit at home licking their 2nd round wounds.

Everyone wants to be like Southlake and can't. I don't see the Dragons losing any ground the next 3 or 4 years. It amazes me how they can continue to remain at the top of the food chain year after year as they do. If the dynasty label has not been applied, it should be especially if they win it all this year.

As far as you holding on to grudges, that is your problem and I hope you didn't get any subtle stabs from this post.

Have a great day.:)

[Sakatha]

Sakatha, there you go again, I am not going to get into a war of words with you. You can believe what you want, but your way off base in your assesment of me..

SLC will probably win it all again this year while the Panthers sit at home licking their 2nd round wounds.

Everyone wants to be like Southlake and can't. I don't see the Dragons losing any ground the next 3 or 4 years. It amazes me how they can continue to remain at the top of the food chain year after year as they do. If the dynasty label has not been applied, it should be especially if they win it all this year.

As far as you holding on to grudges, that is your problem and I hope you didn't get any subtle stabs from this post.

Have a great day.:)

Of course I won't get any from this post!! This is what you do! You stir up a giant pile of crap and then come back with some nice post explaining it all away... I'm not the only one who's seen it this year...

I appreciate your kind words about our program. I don't appreciate the other ones, and I won't sit idly by and listen to them from you... Nobody else on this board from Lufkin does it.

That being said, have a good one. I for one am sad that we won't see each other this year.

~DnM

[RRdragons]

First and foremost let me congratulate an awsome RR team. From what I heard on the radio they deserve to be where they are. Lufkin I have no doubt will be back. RR deserves to relish the win with pride. Yes they did knock out two top tier teams in the state. I would go so far as to say if they keep their level of play up, they might go all the way. Personally I will be rooting for them the rest of this year. To be the champion you have to beat the champion.

I think they got a shot.

Keep in mind, it only gets tougher. I guarantee not many teams from here on out will let you build that kind of lead on them.

Lufkin got beat plain and simple thats why they play the games.

RR go for it, take it to the house and give em all a suprise.


GO DRAGONS

Thanks, Pantherdan. It is nice to read something positive!!

[Favpack]

Thanks, Pantherdan. It is nice to read something positive!!
I've stated I think ya'll beat Allen this week. Westfield is another story - that would be on par with a Lufkin win.

[RRdragons]

I've stated I think ya'll beat Allen this week. Westfield is another story - that would be on par with a Lufkin win.

Thank you, and I agree...although I think a win over Allen won't be easy, we need to stay focused!

Go Rock!

[RRDragons61]

I've stated I think ya'll beat Allen this week. Westfield is another story - that would be on par with a Lufkin win.

Thank you Favpack and I totally agree. But like the other RR fan above me, this allen team is no push over. Our boys just gotta take it week by week. Tough not to look at Westfield and SLC looming in that possible near future though. :(

[caveman]

Uh oh... Violent attack in..

3...
2...
1...

~DnM
D
Reminds me of what my lawyer always told me, "sarcasm is always agressive.":D

[whyzat]

D
Reminds me of what my lawyer always told me, "sarcasm is always agressive.":D

Certainly not anywhere near as agressive as most of his peers in their pursuit of other people's money. :D

[packfan75]

Outlaw can come down here and coach at Katy! He's one of the better high school coaches in Texas. This Lufkin loss reminds me of the 1967 Superbowl when the heavily favored Baltimore Colts lost to the upstart New York Jets. I think at one time the Colts were favored by 24 points. Well the Colts lost but it didn't mean they were overrated or lacked discipline. The Jets just played better that day. RR played better than Lufkin and congrats to them. I also think the Lufkin fans have been more than gracious. I don't know why some people want to poke a stick in the LP poster's eyes. :confused:


Thank you ktCarl!

[packfan75]

Man... there are some real jackasses on this site.

[dragonsfan]

he wasn't incorrect in assessing the talent of his 2nd and 3rd teams VS. the oher 2 schools.

You miss the point slorch, no coach worth the term would ever make that kind of statement to a newspaper or his team in advance of a game. If Coach Outlaw actually said that my respect for him has dropped significantly. I would appreciate someone either confirming or denying that he said it. It is close to the conduct of the Carter team in walking off the field without shaking hands. It just ain't done.

[twcpfan1]

You miss the point slorch, no coach worth the term would ever make that kind of statement to a newspaper or his team in advance of a game. If Coach Outlaw actually said that my respect for him has dropped significantly. I would appreciate someone either confirming or denying that he said it. It is close to the conduct of the Carter team in walking off the field without shaking hands. It just ain't done.


http://5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=12041&highlight=outlaw

I think this thread has a link to the article. I remember being pretty steamed about it.

[slorch]

You miss the point slorch, no coach worth the term would ever make that kind of statement to a newspaper or his team in advance of a game. If Coach Outlaw actually said that my respect for him has dropped significantly. I would appreciate someone either confirming or denying that he said it. It is close to the conduct of the Carter team in walking off the field without shaking hands. It just ain't done.
was he wrong?
it was a Q&A with the LDNews.
why do you think the Pack has struggled early 2 years in a row in the PO's? The district sucks.

[twcpfan1]

was he wrong?
it was a Q&A with the LDNews.
why do you think the Pack has struggled early 2 years in a row in the PO's? The district sucks.

You're blaming The Woodlands, College Park, Conroe, Magnolia and Oak Ridge for Lufkin's loss on the weekend? I guess all this crap about them being outplayed and outcoached by RR that you were preaching at the top of your lungs just 2 days ago - we're supposed to ignore that now? You're a model of consistency, man. So you're saying if they were back in the East TX district, they would have had better competition there? I'm sure you heard about the Longview score right? College Park barely lost to Klein Forest. They certainly stepped up on their first playoff run with a patched up Senior class. Don't be upset that your true love, Lufkin couldn't do the same with the talent they have. And before you disrespect a District that contains the Woodlands Highlanders, you may want to check highlanderfootball.net and look back to what they've done. They're going through a rough stretch. It happens.

[Favpack]

You miss the point slorch, no coach worth the term would ever make that kind of statement to a newspaper or his team in advance of a game. If Coach Outlaw actually said that my respect for him has dropped significantly. I would appreciate someone either confirming or denying that he said it. It is close to the conduct of the Carter team in walking off the field without shaking hands. It just ain't done.

As I've said before - much of the reasoning behind those statements ("with all due respect to Magnolia and Conroe, we'll probably get more out of practicing during the week than we will on Friday night" - or something close to that) was to temper Lufkin fans toward 55-3 scores. I think the whole context and reasoning behind the statements is being taken out of context.

Lufkin is simply going to have to work out it's own issues with a weak district. However, Lufkin will be down next year from this year - at least early on in district - so, it will not be such a big issue. The district will be better, and Lufkin will have to work harder for scores.

Plus, as we've stated - look at it the other way - how many coaches say "we're not a very good team now" or "we stunk it up in the first half" or "Round Rock outplayed us in all phases, they deserve to move on and we don't" ??

Most coaches cherry-coat losses, trump up victories, act like all opponents are state powers, etc. Coach O doesn't.

[ACM Dad]

SNIP....

Everyone wants to be like Southlake and can't. I don't see the Dragons losing any ground the next 3 or 4 years. It amazes me how they can continue to remain at the top of the food chain year after year as they do. If the dynasty label has not been applied, it should be especially if they win it all this year.

....SNIP




SLC is damn good. Success begets more success. Hypothetically speaking.... if any of you lived in the greater DFW area and you had a kid in elementary or junior high and he was proving to be quite the athlete, and assuming you were upwardly mobile and could pull it off, where would you choose to live?

Me, I'd be moving to SLC. I'm not saying that happens more than a lot, but I think I'd be doing it. Even if it does, so what? It's a free country.

If I lived in katy, say my kid was scheduled to go to Mayde Creek and he wasn't a baseball player, but a football player, I'd move to get him into the Katy Tiger program.

If I lived in some small town in the general east texas area, I'd move my kid into Lufkin.

This is real world and it happens. Heck, if you're not doing everything you can to give your kid every advantage you can, you're not a great parent.

I'm totally happy living in College Station. I could live anywhere in TX, but I choose to remain there as I like what the program is doing for my son and vice versus. And, we're licking round one wounds right now.

Caca happens.

[Favpack]

SLC is damn good. Success begets more success. Hypothetically speaking.... if any of you lived in the greater DFW area and you had a kid in elementary or junior high and he was proving to be quite the athlete, and assuming you were upwardly mobile and could pull it off, where would you choose to live?

Me, I'd be moving to SLC. I'm not saying that happens more than a lot, but I think I'd be doing it. Even if it does, so what? It's a free country.

If I lived in katy, say my kid was scheduled to go to Mayde Creek and he wasn't a baseball player, but a football player, I'd move to get him into the Katy Tiger program.

If I lived in some small town in the general east texas area, I'd move my kid into Lufkin.

This is real world and it happens. Heck, if you're not doing everything you can to give your kid every advantage you can, you're not a great parent.

I'm totally happy living in College Station. I could live anywhere in TX, but I choose to remain there as I like what the program is doing for my son and vice versus. And, we're licking round one wounds right now.

Caca happens.
Good points. I think the most impressive thing about SLC is you know they have met some Round Rock's along the way - but you'd never know it!

[dragonsfan]

The day that Coach Dodge says that an opponent isn't any better than playing his JV is the day I go kick his A** personally. The good news is that I will never have to do that. That's because he has class. Maybe Lufkin's coach could get some of that.

[dragonsfan]

As I've said before - much of the reasoning behind those statements ("with all due respect to Magnolia and Conroe, we'll probably get more out of practicing during the week than we will on Friday night" - or something close to that) was to temper Lufkin fans toward 55-3 scores. I think the whole context and reasoning behind the statements is being taken out of context.

Lufkin is simply going to have to work out it's own issues with a weak district. However, Lufkin will be down next year from this year - at least early on in district - so, it will not be such a big issue. The district will be better, and Lufkin will have to work harder for scores.

Plus, as we've stated - look at it the other way - how many coaches say "we're not a very good team now" or "we stunk it up in the first half" or "Round Rock outplayed us in all phases, they deserve to move on and we don't" ?? Most coaches cherry-coat losses, trump up victories, act like all opponents are state powers, etc. Coach O doesn't.


FavPack the problem is the coach. You just don't say that sort of thing, ever, where you can be quoted. Over a beer or whiskey at the deer camp, okay, who's to complain. But you don't do that in public, because you end up with kids that act like jacks when you act like one yourself.

[whyzat]

As I've said before - much of the reasoning behind those statements ("with all due respect to Magnolia and Conroe, we'll probably get more out of practicing during the week than we will on Friday night" - or something close to that) was to temper Lufkin fans toward 55-3 scores. I think the whole context and reasoning behind the statements is being taken out of context.

Lufkin is simply going to have to work out it's own issues with a weak district. However, Lufkin will be down next year from this year - at least early on in district - so, it will not be such a big issue. The district will be better, and Lufkin will have to work harder for scores.

Plus, as we've stated - look at it the other way - how many coaches say "we're not a very good team now" or "we stunk it up in the first half" or "Round Rock outplayed us in all phases, they deserve to move on and we don't" ??

Most coaches cherry-coat losses, trump up victories, act like all opponents are state powers, etc. Coach O doesn't.

You're right in one respect. It's not "Coach O" attempting to revise his own ground rules, and my hat is off to him for that consistency. He seems perfectly willing to live with the fallout from his "brutally honest" comments, which offended other teams in his district. Very well. So why does a hard core cheering section persist in attempting to rationalize or defend his actions? Does this not this deny him the satisfaction of walking the walk, as he has talked the talk? If you choose to subscribe to the brutal honesty approach, be advised it is a reciprocal arrangement. You will need to be prepared to suffer it in defeat as well as practice it in victory. It cuts both ways.

Outlaw is down with it, as is Favpack, one of the most astute and classy posters on this board. The balance of those in denial should get with the program endorsed by their coach. He wouldn't have it any other way.

[drgnbkr]

You're right in one respect. It's not "Coach O" attempting to revise his own ground rules, and my hat is off to him for that consistency. He seems perfectly willing to live with the fallout from his "brutally honest" comments, which offended other teams in his district. Very well. So why does a hard core cheering section persist in attempting to rationalize or defend his actions? Does this not this deny him the satisfaction of walking the walk, as he has talked the talk? If you choose to subscribe to the brutal honesty approach, be advised it is a reciprocal arrangement. You will need to be prepared to suffer it in defeat as well as practice it in victory. It cuts both ways.

Outlaw is down with it, as is Favpack, one of the most astute and classy posters on this board. The balance of those in denial should get with the program endorsed by their coach. He wouldn't have it any other way.

It's amazing that we have threads ripping on Coaches Outlaw and Lineweaver...when either of whom would be an upgrade for virtually any school in Texas....

[twcpfan1]

It's amazing that we have threads ripping on Coaches Outlaw and Lineweaver...when either of whom would be an upgrade for virtually any school in Texas....

I don't think this thread is questioning Outlaw's ability. Whoever started this thread was ripping him for comments he made earlier this season. Guess it's a 'payback' thread. Lineweaver is clearly being 2nd guessed. Had his decision worked out for ET, the nature of the discussions on this board would be totally different. They are clearly good coaches, but they are also working with the best athletes. It's the coaches who overachieve with limited resources that I find impressive.

[whyzat]

It's amazing that we have threads ripping on Coaches Outlaw and Lineweaver...when either of whom would be an upgrade for virtually any school in Texas....

I fail to see how pointing out his consistency in following his own principles is "ripping him." Quiet the contrary. I admire those who step up and take responsibility for their own actions. Don't you? What I questioned was the explanations offered by apologists, which I think he would view as unnecessary. Just an opioion, and an appreciation for the man's intellectual integrity.

[Winston]

Yeah, I guess he must have aired it out in the second half, then.

[slorch]

You're blaming The Woodlands, College Park, Conroe, Magnolia and Oak Ridge for Lufkin's loss on the weekend? I guess all this crap about them being outplayed and outcoached by RR that you were preaching at the top of your lungs just 2 days ago - we're supposed to ignore that now? You're a model of consistency, man. So you're saying if they were back in the East TX district, they would have had better competition there? I'm sure you heard about the Longview score right? College Park barely lost to Klein Forest. They certainly stepped up on their first playoff run with a patched up Senior class. Don't be upset that your true love, Lufkin couldn't do the same with the talent they have. And before you disrespect a District that contains the Woodlands Highlanders, you may want to check highlanderfootball.net and look back to what they've done. They're going through a rough stretch. It happens.
Tell me which district game Lufkin was stretched( forced to step it up) in.

none of them, not even TWHS. It wasn't even close. The only reason it was even close at half was because of the monsoon.

RR did what they did exactly because of what I said earlier in the other posts. What i said about Lufkin's district doesn't change what happened Saturday. It only supports the mental state Lufkin was in.

BTW, I'm pretty much a casual observer until my kids get in high school. We have family in Lufkin, so I began following them when we moved here 3 years ago. they are a fun program to watch. I have personal ties to Windthorst(1A) #1, and WF Rider(4A) upset Stephenville last week. I really enjoy just good high school football, in addition to that, I even took in one CP game this year, but I don't want to dispute your assumptions about me.

[Winston]

Tell me which district game Lufkin was stretched( forced to step it up) in.

none of them, not even TWHS. It wasn't even close.
Were they "forced to step it up" against Klein in the 2nd half? Or is there really no way that question can be answered?

[twcpfan1]

Tell me which district game Lufkin was stretched( forced to step it up) in.

none of them, not even TWHS. It wasn't even close.

Tell me who would have challenged them in East TX.

Tell me why Carroll routinely beat up on their opponents by similar margins. (There's certainly enough whining about how they run up the score on this board.) And it doesn't seem to hurt them.

Should we pick the most difficult district every year and put Lufkin in it so they will be ready for the playoffs?

District didn't hurt Lufkin against Klein, did it? Let's be honest. Outlaw had no answer to Round Rock's game plan and execution. Deal with it.

[pack0808]

The day that Coach Dodge says that an opponent isn't any better than playing his JV is the day I go kick his A** personally. The good news is that I will never have to do that. That's because he has class. Maybe Lufkin's coach could get some of that.

That comment does not even deserve a response. What a dumb a--.

[pack0808]

Tell me which district game Lufkin was stretched( forced to step it up) in.

none of them, not even TWHS. It wasn't even close. The only reason it was even close at half was because of the monsoon.

RR did what they did exactly because of what I said earlier in the other posts. What i said about Lufkin's district doesn't change what happened Saturday. It only supports the mental state Lufkin was in.

BTW, I'm pretty much a casual observer until my kids get in high school. We have family in Lufkin, so I began following them when we moved here 3 years ago. they are a fun program to watch. I have personal ties to Windthorst(1A) #1, and WF Rider(4A) upset Stephenville last week. I really enjoy just good high school football, in addition to that, I even took in one CP game this year, but I don't want to dispute your assumptions about me.


You know, I think this weak district schedule stuff does not hold water at all when you look at the facts. In 04 and 05 it did not hurt Lufkin a bit but now all of the sudden it is the problem? LP went to the state semis and went 14-1 and only SLC beat them in 04 and 05 while in a new district. But all of the sudden it hurt them this year? The last time LP was in the east texas district they lost in the 1st round in 03 after being #1 for most of the year. It happens just like it did this year besides it being in the 2nd round. And let's look at the old east texas district shall we? Longview has not lost one single game in the district in 3 years (just like Lufkin)with Lee and JT and Mesquite schools so why would we make such a big difference in the last few years? Does not make sense? Lufkin played Longview this year and in 04 the last time I checked and played Lee in 04 and they won all by double digits or more. Marshall and Nac are the other 2 from the old district and they are in 4a right now. Lp destroys Nac every year and Longview usually dominates Marshall every year. There are many other teams that play in weaker districts and it does not hurt them either. Let's not act like Katy, NS, and SLC etc play in some power district on a year to year basis?

[pack0808]

Packattack posted this on the Lp site and I think it should be repeated in this thread on how much Outlaw has done for the LP program since he has been here. These stats tell the whole story and then some. We are very thankful to have him here in LP land. So what if he tells the truth when asked a question?



Over the last few days some have had questions about the Round Rock loss. Before you say anymore I want to show you a picture of Lufkin football in the 12 years before John Outlaw arrived and his record at Lufkin in his 12 years to date.

Lufkin's record under three coaches ( Ed Cauley, Pat Culpepper and Jim Slaughter) from 1983 - 1994 was 67-53-9 with 3 playoff appearences and a playoff record of 2-3.

In the 12 years under John Outlaw (1995-2006), the Panthers are 120-32-1 with 10 playoff appearences and a playoff record of 26-9.

That includes a 2001 State Championship in 2001 and three 5A State Semi-finals in 2002, 2004 and 2005.

In comparison Lufkin's winning percentage before Outlaw was 56%, averaging 5.6 wins per year. During the Outlaw years, Lufkin's winning percentage is 79%, averaging 10 wins per year.

In his past 6 seasons John is 75-9 overall, a winning percentage of 89%. His playoff record over that period is 19-5, winning percentage of 79%.

His record speaks for itself, I am glad he is here is Lufkin . I have had a blast watching Panther football the last twelve years, especially since 1998. What a ride it has been so far and I don't see it changing for next year. Thanks to John Outlaw and his great assistant coaches for putting Lufkin football on the Texas and National High School Football map.

[dragonfootballfan]

when your wife asks if she looks fat in that dress you say no. When somebody asks you about an opponent you respect them. They both may be lies, but they are better than the truth

[pack0808]

when your wife asks if she looks fat in that dress you say no. When somebody asks you about an opponent you respect them. They both may be lies, but they are better than the truth



Give me a break? Even your coach says he has the ultimate respect for coach Outlaw. So the guy is blunt so what? He tells it like it is give me a break with this pc it might hurt somebody's feeeeelings crap. He tells the truth when it is the opposite also. If he felt like his team played bad or the other team was better or that he did a bad job as a coach then he will say it in a minute. That is just Outlaw!

[PantherStang84]

Packattack posted this on the Lp site and I think it should be repeated in this thread on how much Outlaw has done for the LP program since he has been here. These stats tell the whole story and then some. We are very thankful to have him here in LP land. So what if he tells the truth when asked a question?



Over the last few days some have had questions about the Round Rock loss. Before you say anymore I want to show you a picture of Lufkin football in the 12 years before John Outlaw arrived and his record at Lufkin in his 12 years to date.

Lufkin's record under three coaches ( Ed Cauley, Pat Culpepper and Jim Slaughter) from 1983 - 1994 was 67-53-9 with 3 playoff appearences and a playoff record of 2-3.

In the 12 years under John Outlaw (1995-2006), the Panthers are 120-32-1 with 10 playoff appearences and a playoff record of 26-9.

That includes a 2001 State Championship in 2001 and three 5A State Semi-finals in 2002, 2004 and 2005.

In comparison Lufkin's winning percentage before Outlaw was 56%, averaging 5.6 wins per year. During the Outlaw years, Lufkin's winning percentage is 79%, averaging 10 wins per year.

In his past 6 seasons John is 75-9 overall, a winning percentage of 89%. His playoff record over that period is 19-5, winning percentage of 79%.

His record speaks for itself, I am glad he is here is Lufkin . I have had a blast watching Panther football the last twelve years, especially since 1998. What a ride it has been so far and I don't see it changing for next year. Thanks to John Outlaw and his great assistant coaches for putting Lufkin football on the Texas and National High School Football map.


I know I'm glad he is here. I also trust he will fix things that may need fixing in not just football, but in Lufkin athletics as a whole. He is a good man, great coach, and good AD. Lufkin football will be back and probably win 15-5A again next year. As sure as the sun rises in the East.

[DHS83]

when your wife asks if she looks fat in that dress you say no. When somebody asks you about an opponent you respect them. They both may be lies, but they are better than the truth
Best response so far.

[ruffshod]

You know, I think this weak district schedule stuff does not hold water at all when you look at the facts. In 04 and 05 it did not hurt Lufkin a bit but now all of the sudden it is the problem? LP went to the state semis and went 14-1 and only SLC beat them in 04 and 05 while in a new district. But all of the sudden it hurt them this year? The last time LP was in the east texas district they lost in the 1st round in 03 after being #1 for most of the year. It happens just like it did this year besides it being in the 2nd round. And let's look at the old east texas district shall we? Longview has not lost one single game in the district in 3 years (just like Lufkin)with Lee and JT and Mesquite schools so why would we make such a big difference in the last few years? Does not make sense? Lufkin played Longview this year and in 04 the last time I checked and played Lee in 04 and they won all by double digits or more. Marshall and Nac are the other 2 from the old district and they are in 4a right now. Lp destroys Nac every year and Longview usually dominates Marshall every year. There are many other teams that play in weaker districts and it does not hurt them either. Let's not act like Katy, NS, and SLC etc play in some power district on a year to year basis?
This has been a constant ongoing discussion in NS. People are always criticizing us for the schedule that we play, including some of our own fans.

[pack0808]

Best response so far.


This guy is from a town that is 10 minutes from Lufkin yet he loves to trash Lufkin and Outlaw any chance he gets? Just odd?

[pack0808]

This has been a constant ongoing discussion in NS. People are always criticizing us for the schedule that we play, including some of our own fans.


Yeah it is only a problem when you lose. A bet you did not hear many complaints in 03?

[4th & short]

The reason they lost is that they finally played good corners that wouldn't let their recievers just run by everyone. Take the fade away from them and make them drive it and you'll win. The problem is that they are so talented that nobody could do that until they played two D1 corners.

[DHS83]

This guy is from a town that is 10 minutes from Lufkin yet he loves to trash Lufkin and Outlaw any chance he gets? Just odd?
I didnt trash anyone, I was agreeing with someone elses opinion. If I like Lufkin or not doesnt matter much, and as a matter of fact I have not said a word on here about their loss. The topic of this thread was whether Outlaw should have said what he did, and how it has came back to bite him in the butt.

[ruffshod]

Yeah it is only a problem when you lose. A bet you did not hear many complaints in 03?
Not too many, except the Westfield fans. Come to yhink of it, there a few others who commented on our schedule back then.

[PantherStang84]

The reason they lost is that they finally played good corners that wouldn't let their recievers just run by everyone. Take the fade away from them and make them drive it and you'll win. The problem is that they are so talented that nobody could do that until they played two D1 corners.

Wrong! The receivers were wide open all day long. The QB couldn't get the ball to them.

[dragonsfan]

Give me a break? Even your coach says he has the ultimate respect for coach Outlaw. So the guy is blunt so what? He tells it like it is give me a break with this pc it might hurt somebody's feeeeelings crap. He tells the truth when it is the opposite also. If he felt like his team played bad or the other team was better or that he did a bad job as a coach then he will say it in a minute. That is just Outlaw!


Let me talk like Outlaw would:

Go back under your rock pack0808.

[bobcatDL07]

FavPack the problem is the coach. You just don't say that sort of thing, ever, where you can be quoted. Over a beer or whiskey at the deer camp, okay, who's to complain. But you don't do that in public, because you end up with kids that act like jacks when you act like one yourself.
exactly, u cant play foolish and not expect your kids to think the same way

[DHS83]

Why isnt there a "Q & A with Outlaw" in the paper so far this week? One last chance this season for him to be so bluntly honest.

[Lp78]

Why isnt there a "Q & A with Outlaw" in the paper so far this week? One last chance this season for him to be so bluntly honest.

It may not be in the paper for all to read yet. But he has said we just got our butts whipped by a better team that day. & yes outcoached too.

You may not like the way he words thgings, but he's up front.

[pack0808]

Let me talk like Outlaw would:

Go back under your rock pack0808.



Now I will go back to my job, kids and wife instead. :rolleyes:


Dodge has the ultimate respect for Outlaw and Lufkin so why would I care what a slc fan on a message board thinks? You have a right to your opinion but when you call Outlaw classless then I know you have no clue what you are talking about.

[KT2000]

I think this thing's more than run its course.