Insulting Remarks in FW Star-Telegram

[bhs06]

So the Fort Worth Star-Telegram all week has been advertising for its "Friday Night Preview" section in the newspaper. So I open it up today. Interesting read so far, until I get to this:

Tip No. 6: Get in tune

Come halftime, be sure to check out the band. You could be hearing a state champion.

At L.D. Bell games, the band is the top attraction, winning last year's UIL 5-A state championship. Other top 10 finishers included Hlatom High School and Arlington's Bowie High School.

"At our games, people come for the halftime show." said Sherrie Cyrier, president of the Bell Band Boosters. "After the show, that's when the stands clear out."

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This really is an insult to our team and it goes on year round. All our band does is brag about how great they are and how much better they are than everyone and how they win the state championship and the football team sucks blah blah blah. It gets old, but now they have to publish their insulting remarks in the newspaper for everyone to see. I enjoy them playing at our games but thats it. The reason they exist is to support us, not to compete against us. To tell you the truth I think that our school is one of the 10 or so schools in the state who cares about how well their band does in competitions. Does a 5atexasmarchingbands.com exist?

[ThEgReAtOnE]

So the Fort Worth Star-Telegram all week has been advertising for its "Friday Night Preview" section in the newspaper. So I open it up today. Interesting read so far, until I get to this:

Tip No. 6: Get in tune

Come halftime, be sure to check out the band. You could be hearing a state champion.

At L.D. Bell games, the band is the top attraction, winning last year's UIL 5-A state championship. Other top 10 finishers included Hlatom High School and Arlington's Bowie High School.

"At our games, people come for the halftime show." said Sherrie Cyrier, president of the Bell Band Boosters. "After the show, that's when the stands clear out."

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This really is an insult to our team and it goes on year round. All our band does is brag about how great they are and how much better they are than everyone and how they win the state championship and the football team sucks blah blah blah. It gets old, but now they have to publish their insulting remarks in the newspaper for everyone to see. I enjoy them playing at our games but thats it. The reason they exist is to support us, not to compete against us. To tell you the truth I think that our school is one of the 10 or so schools in the state who cares about how well their band does in competitions. Does a 5atexasmarchingbands.com exist?

When I played high school ball in the DFW area I heard, every now and then, about L.D. Bell...but it was always on the tail end of a 63-0 or 56-10 whoopin'. Lets not act like Sunset, Woodrow Wilson, Skyline, Kimball, SOC, Lincoln, Pinkston and other minority influenced schools don't have this same issue. They do. They don't win, today, the way they used to...and some have never won...but all of their bands are awesome to see. Entertaining half-times is what alot of their games are about. Kind of like seeing Grambling and Prairie View play.

NOW...

Granted these are kids, and they should not be be-littled....but fans, parents, boosters, faculty and medias are tired of seeing the emphasis on the bands and music instead of on football...they want their team to win games.
So at this point my argument wouldn't be on whether or not the band is insulting the football program, but more so on whether the football program can turn the tide and win games...and how we can help this change occur. Because when you win, the fans will come to see the "GAME", not the band.

I agree with you, this "President of the Bell Band Boosters" has no business ripping this program like that. :D

[dragonsdaddy]

many if not most of us really believe the exact opposite of the bbpresident, but are to nice to say it in print.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

many if not most of us really believe the exact opposite of the bbpresident, but are to nice to say it in print.

Dragon...honestly, who cares?

Answer the threads or move on!! You're lecturing points and fowl arrogance is understood. You don't like me and, TRUST ME, vice versa! So move on!!

I've proved enough in my career...it's laughable to think I have to prove anything to you! :D

[dragonsdaddy]

bpstlw, your arrogance to think i only type at you is laughable, and somewhat sad. bbpresident is shortened from bell band p. i can't actually dislike you since we know nothing of each other. your ideas are some times dead on, as in this thread, but many have been just as erroneous and poorly thought out. i only disparage and correct what i deem wrong or is factually inaccurate. take it as you will. do your research and when you throw out the trash as you have around here once or twice, expect someone to throw it back.

[stangsfan]

It doesn't have to be that way! At Westfield, prodominately minority, we have great football and an awesome band that won Grand Nationals 2 years ago. Both programs work equally hard and require lots of support from family, staff and the community. Any yes, the Big Red Band thinks they are the main event from time to time because they are produce amazing shows that require hundreds of hours of preparation and perspiration. Fortunately for us, outstanding football follows.

[nate]

I hate to break it to folks in this thread, but there are more parents in the stands to see band, drill team and cheer kids at a high school football game than there are to see a kid play football. Do these parents want the team to win? Of course. Will they cheer on the football team? Usually.

To hear the joke that a band is in place to "support" the football team is ridiculous. Bands are in place so that students have an opportunity to engage in fine arts, develop their musical talents and get involved in something worthwhile. Several bands around the state do a great job of supporting their team with well-timed songs and drum cadences.

I remember how bad Pearland's football team used to be, and yes, more people showed up to see halftime than the 4 quarters of football. If the team doesn't like people getting up and leaving, how about putting in the effort to improve as a team?

All this said, the person quoted in the paper should not have thrown the team under the bus like that.

Have you seen the LD Bell band? The best in the state.

[dragonsdaddy]

don't get me wrong, i'm happy that the band and drill team are part of the experience. i grew up using the halftime to prepare for the second half, and i still do. the only band that keeps me around for halftime is the mob(marching owl band) from rice. some entity is going to have to put a stop to the rampant over-extension of halftime into the 45 minute range.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

bpstlw, your arrogance to think i only type at you is laughable, and somewhat sad. bbpresident is shortened from bell band p. i can't actually dislike you since we know nothing of each other. your ideas are some times dead on, as in this thread, but many have been just as erroneous and poorly thought out. i only disparage and correct what i deem wrong or is factually inaccurate. take it as you will. do your research and when you throw out the trash as you have around here once or twice, expect someone to throw it back.

Dragon,
Excuse the comments. Half the time we actuallly agree on the big things... we usually just bicker over the small things. And yes, I do type, sometimes, without thinking, and factually my posts are mis-stated. But I try to correct them, if need be.

Anyhow, no hard feelings, I hope!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

don't get me wrong, i'm happy that the band and drill team are part of the experience. i grew up using the halftime to prepare for the second half, and i still do. the only band that keeps me around for halftime is the mob(marching owl band) from rice. some entity is going to have to put a stop to the rampant over-extension of halftime into the 45 minute range.

I totally agree...last year I went to the "Gulf Coast War"...Texas City vs La Marque game and witnessed the most horrific 30 minute band "dance" performance I had ever seen. And I've witnessed quite a few.

The fans, and unfortunately, parents booed the kids off the field. But I have to say the performance was long and ridiculus.

But those schools win...so that's why the stadium overflowed...and plus they hate each other the way the Red Sox and Yankees do...but only worse. (If you could believe that!)

[Garland02]

I hate to break it to folks in this thread, but there are more parents in the stands to see band, drill team and cheer kids at a high school football game than there are to see a kid play football. Do these parents want the team to win? Of course. Will they cheer on the football team? Usually.

To hear the joke that a band is in place to "support" the football team is ridiculous. Bands are in place so that students have an opportunity to engage in fine arts, develop their musical talents and get involved in something worthwhile. Several bands around the state do a great job of supporting their team with well-timed songs and drum cadences.

I remember how bad Pearland's football team used to be, and yes, more people showed up to see halftime than the 4 quarters of football. If the team doesn't like people getting up and leaving, how about putting in the effort to improve as a team?

All this said, the person quoted in the paper should not have thrown the team under the bus like that.

Have you seen the LD Bell band? The best in the state.


Well, I guess it depends on your team. There are certainly some band/drill team parents that leave after halftime, and if not many people come out to see the football team, than that can be a majority. But if you look at teams that are good year after year, they have huge followings, even if they don't have a kid on the field for anything. If the team isn't good, then likely the stands only have parents, from either the team, or the band/drill team/cheerleaders.

Who cares why people like to come out to the game?

On the other hand, what that woman said is an insult. If there band is good, say so.... no need to take shots at the football team.

[dragonsdaddy]

bpstlw, your ability to stay focused and not take things personally is refreshing and should be required reading for anyone desiring credence on this or any other board. i don't always agree with your opinions, but you handle my and others remarks well. thanks, and may your ambiance spread over the horizons. wow, what a sing-song i have become.

[SLCDad]

I hate to break it to folks in this thread, but there are more parents in the stands to see band, drill team and cheer kids at a high school football game than there are to see a kid play football. Do these parents want the team to win? Of course. Will they cheer on the football team? Usually.

To hear the joke that a band is in place to "support" the football team is ridiculous. Bands are in place so that students have an opportunity to engage in fine arts, develop their musical talents and get involved in something worthwhile. Several bands around the state do a great job of supporting their team with well-timed songs and drum cadences.
I agree 100%. The band is a very important part of the spectacle that is Texas High School Football. Same for drill team, cheerleaders, crew, etc., etc. Without all of the non-football components, the team would be playing to many more empty seats.

Further, my daughters attend the games as a social event. They are there to be with their friends and at times don't even pay attention to the game. If they had to sit for 2-3 hours and watch football they would be bored stiff. Last year after the SLC/Ridge game in Keller my 14 year old daughter asked "We won didn't we?" as we drove out of the parking lot.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I agree 100%. The band is a very important part of the spectacle that is Texas High School Football. Same for drill team, cheerleaders, crew, etc., etc. Without all of the non-football components, the team would be playing to many more empty seats.

Further, my daughters attend the games as a social event. They are there to be with their friends and at times don't even pay attention to the game. If they had to sit for 2-3 hours and watch football they would be bored stiff. Last year after the SLC/Ridge game in Keller my 14 year old daughter asked "We won didn't we?" as we drove out of the parking lot.

I agree, with the exceptions being schools like Katy, Permian, Garland, Clear Lake and a few others. I think, at Katy, George S. Patton, himself, has "Boot-Camp" trained the kids, parents, hell even locals to paint there bodys, buy Katy clothing and attend every game, as if it were the last. I'm still looking for the largest following.

It's hilarious...but they all WIN. And wow, half there school is in the band/drill teams and such.

But the entire spectacle of high school football, friends, family, bands, drill teams, "cheerleaders"... is pure and deep. That's why I can say High School football is better, in my mind, that College and Pro football. Having played on all three levels, there's nothing like the spirit of it. I forget my college and pro stats, until someone reminds me of them. But I don't forget the high school games...it's crazy!

[Tut]

At Katy, "That Roarin' Band from Tigerland" comes to support the football team and, along with the "Bengal Brigade", put on a good halftime show.
The band does takes competitions seriously and does well in them. However, at a football game, the purpose is to help the team. This means playing in the stands throughout the game. A lot of pride is taken in being the best FOOTBALL band. While some parents might come just for the band, a huge majority are football fans also. After all, it is a football game.

[DragonFan]

The band members, dance squads, crew, and other groups who perform on football night, work as hard if not harder at their performances as do most of the football teams that play. The time commitments and the dedecation from both the kids and the parents is functionally equal. A taleneted musican can get scholorships the same way that a football player can. I happen to enjoy both. The Band Boosters are every bit as charged up about their team as are the Athletic boosters are. That is a win win for everyone who has a child participating in extra-curricular activities.

[Tiger Dude]

As long as that band plays their butts off while your opponent is on offense near they end where the band is, they're doing their job. Hopefully, they do it all game. If they get props, so be it. But, if they are like the Consol band and they take off and socialize during the 2nd half, they should be ashamed of the props.

A really loud band is a powerful weapon. IKE at Reliant last week was LOUD! Consol was AWOL. :rolleyes:

[Tut]

As long as that band plays their butts off while your opponent is on offense near they end where the band is, they're doing their job. Hopefully, they do it all game. If they get props, so be it. But, if they are like the Consol band and they take off and socialize during the 2nd half, they should be ashamed of the props.

A really loud band is a powerful weapon. IKE at Reliant last week was LOUD! Consol was AWOL. :rolleyes:

The Katy band loves it when the opposing offense is in front of it. If you think it was loud before, it's much louder. Penalties, time-outs, and even fumbles have occurred.

[TheOnceandFutureKnight]

"At L.D. Bell games, the band is the top attraction, winning last year's UIL 5-A state championship. Other top 10 finishers included Hlatom High School and Arlington's Bowie High School.

"At our games, people come for the halftime show." said Sherrie Cyrier, president of the Bell Band Boosters. "After the show, that's when the stands clear out."

I really miss the days where every single thing that someone said didn't turn into a holy war of hurt feelings.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

"At L.D. Bell games, the band is the top attraction, winning last year's UIL 5-A state championship. Other top 10 finishers included Hlatom High School and Arlington's Bowie High School.

"At our games, people come for the halftime show." said Sherrie Cyrier, president of the Bell Band Boosters. "After the show, that's when the stands clear out."

I really miss the days where every single thing that someone said didn't turn into a holy war of hurt feelings.

The BBPresident is an adult. She could have worded what she was thinking differently. Could have said something like this... "People come, just as much, for the halftime show, as well as for the excitement of the game." ...the second part she didn't even have to say.

Dealing with the medias of world has taught me to be crucial of everything one will SAY, regardless of what one is thinking. Say what you mean, but whatch how you say what you mean. It's Public Relations! And respect.

[bleedgreen]

damn, dragonsdaddy---i love the way you put things---LOL..........

[wide-e-wide]

I hate to break it to folks in this thread, but there are more parents in the stands to see band, drill team and cheer kids at a high school football game than there are to see a kid play football. Do these parents want the team to win? Of course. Will they cheer on the football team? Usually.

To hear the joke that a band is in place to "support" the football team is ridiculous. Bands are in place so that students have an opportunity to engage in fine arts, develop their musical talents and get involved in something worthwhile. Several bands around the state do a great job of supporting their team with well-timed songs and drum cadences.

I remember how bad Pearland's football team used to be, and yes, more people showed up to see halftime than the 4 quarters of football. If the team doesn't like people getting up and leaving, how about putting in the effort to improve as a team?

All this said, the person quoted in the paper should not have thrown the team under the bus like that.

Have you seen the LD Bell band? The best in the state.


Time out! I call BS on this entire post.

One question....

If you took away the cheerleaders,band,etc....
People would still come out in huge numbers to watch football.

If you took away the football team...
Would people still show up to see the band?

I doubt it.

I have nothing against the band...or the band parents. But this chip they all have on their shoulder is getting ridiculous. First and foremost...know your role. Stop with the delusions that there are more band fans....than football fans...are you serious?

Explain this and shut me up:

Why are the lines to the concession stands and bathrooms 10x as long at halftime?
any guess?....any?
Because only a select few care what the freakin' band and drill team are doing...
Now go get a Coke or go to the bathroom with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter...you can just walk right up...pick any spot you want.

Explain that...I have asked it a hundred times and nobody has the stones to say I'm telling the truth.
I don't care about hurting feelings...I'm into this new thing called the truth. Try it.

[owlfan 1]

Why are the lines to the concession stands and bathrooms 10x as long at halftime?
any guess?....any?
Because only a select few care what the freakin' band and drill team are doing...
Now go get a Coke or go to the bathroom with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter...you can just walk right up...pick any spot you want.




LOL!!!

Brilliant point...

At many schools, such as Allen, Katy, and even Garland, the band serves as a great support to the team. What bugs me is the fact that so many bands (and directors) just don't care about the game, the team, or what their role is. It's really bothersome when the band plays loudest when their team is right in front of them, trying to score...

Last night, while watching North Garland play Lake Highland, there was a critical 4th down play late in the game. If LH makes a 1st down, they can run out the clock. If NG holds, they get the ball back with one more chance to win. As the fans are rising to their feet, making noise, and supporting their defense, three Sousaphone (tuba) players walk in front of them and start playing the "Chicken Dance", expecting the fans to pay attention to them instead of the game. Grrrrrrrrrr! :mad:

[wide-e-wide]

And that my friend is why he plays the tuba and not football.

[GoOwls]

Great post above, Wide, you're dead on.

My gripe is the 30 min. halftime.

I realize that the band needs to practice their contest routines and both bands do it, but it's just plain stupid to keep fans sitting there for 30 minutes watching bands when their purpose is to provide entertainment during the halftime period, not be provided a period of time to practice contest.

Back when I was a kid, we had great bands in the 60's, and they split the 12 minutes that was halftime back then.

Then when I was in svhool in the 70's, it expanded to 20 min., split between the two teams.

Now, it's a whole 30 minute show.

Bands and drill teams and cheerleaders have forgotten their original purpose.......to support and boost the team.

[raidercheerdad]

I'll answer the question of why we're there with another question! Given the choice(which, i'm aware we're not), would you rather go in the locker room and here the coach's adjustments and strategies or stay in the stands and listen to the band.

Don't get me wrong, I think they are a huge part of school spirit, but they are the reason that band parents are at the game -- not football fans!

[wide-e-wide]

I don't think you want the answer to that question. The majority of
the guys on this board would rather be in the locker room.....or the bathroom...with listening to the band finishing a distant third place.

[Arazorback]

as an alum of a great FOOTBALL band...I have this to say.
Its not that bands have forgotten their role, its that their role has changed. People are getting more interested in the competitive aspects of Marching band and Drum corps than they were years ago.
You can whine and complain about long half-time shows, or you could try to sit back and enjoy it...heck thats what most band kids do with football...they have to go to games so why not learn the rules and make it enjoyable to watch.

I agree that the LD bell band booster president was way out of line, because IMO bell is going to be a much improved team, I don't know that much about them, but I believe they are starting to get their act together, which she would actually know was the case if she cared to pay attention. I don't agree with everything that bell does within their band program either(kinda cheats the system, but thats another story.)

Anyway the band often doesn't think of itself as a seperate entity entirely from the football team. Most of the kids I know/have talked to say that its nice to feel like they are part of helping their team. Like during a playoff game when the team my alma matter was playing had commited about 10 false starts all year (this is during the playoffs) and they commited eight during our game, We were convinced that we were helping the team by making the offense not hear the snap count.

[RPM]

I dont agree with what she said but man...LOL! usually its the band griping about the football team not liking them..calling them band geeks, or things like that and now here we are complaing about band halftime shows..just seems odd..


still what that lady said was wrong she could of worded it very diff.

[Tiger Dude]

There are plenty of parents that leave our stands right after half time. It's pretty ridiculous. In my own silent protest, I go take a leak while their kids are tooting their own horns. My little payback. :)

The sucky part is that they often have some of the best seats in the house and they only use them for half a game.

In the case of Consol, our band director needs to be fired for the lack of noise when the opposing team's O is nearby. Honestly, fire the schmuck. Or explain to them that at $3+ per gallon gasoline is such that if they are not going to try to help the team win, please stay home.

Bands done correctly are weapons.

[wide-e-wide]

I don't mind the halftime shows...I really don't care.
I just wanted to put it in perspective for the band parents and
members. Play the school song...play the fight song...and play
"Louie Louie" 20 times and go home. That's all we ask. Don't get all
cocky and make statements like....their are as many band parents or fans at
the game...sheeesh...then you really look and sound like band geeks.

[CyFallsMom]

I just have to throw my two cents in here. Our band is a pretty good band and I had two kids in it over the past four years so I feel I can make that assumption. I supported the program when they were in it but I really don't any longer. Beyond that, I am first and foremost a rabid football fan...baseball fan, basketball - you name it, if a ball is involved, I am there and only one of my kids even plays sports!! When I would chaperone the games, I would try to watch the football game as much as possible but that band world is so insular and myopic that they think everyone is there to see them - you have to focus on them - they are the main attraction - the director set that tone and it created a few brats in the group. When playoffs came last year, I didn't chaperone at all because 3/4 of those kids thought it sucked that we were going in the first place and didn't want to do it. That's good school spirit!! :eek:

Yes, I did go to see MY kids perform and enjoyed every minute. I now go to the games and sit as far away from the band as I can get because I want to watch the game! I have seen the L.D. Bell band by the way - they are phenomenal as is Westfield - they were so loud last night. They have a great program over there.

I was in drill team in high school and I understand that the band, drill teams and cheerleaders really add to the spirit and atmosphere of the game and I love that about it but the bottom line is, the focus should be the football team - that's why we are there. I always hated when band parents got up and left after halftime. I also couldn't stand being in the stands with parents who didn't know a safety from a field goal!!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I keep asking myself this question...

Are we really having a discussion as to whether the fans of a football game are, primarily, in attendance for, either, the football play or the band's halftime performance......IN TEXAS??....

I could understand if this was North Dakota...New Hampshire...or Idaho, but TEXAS! The world truly is coming to an end...New Orleans is under water, the war in Iraq has gone south and the High School Band's in Texas think everyone wants to, "primarily", come see them perform at the FOOTBALL Games!

C'mon man! LOL! :D Seriously?!

[RedRage00]

LD Bell's band is overrated. I've seen better....The Woodlands is the best I've ever seen.

RR

[Dds115]

This make me laugh, I'm not even in band anymore so I don't care. I agree with both sides.. is that possible? I do think some people care about this statement a little too much. If someone said the only reason people come out on friday night were ebcasue football, no one would give a flip.

About the half time statement. Do you really think that the football players could recover in less then 30 minutes. I would guess, I don't know, but would guess that the players like having a little more time to catch their breath.

[nate]

I don't mind the halftime shows...I really don't care.
I just wanted to put it in perspective for the band parents and
members. Play the school song...play the fight song...and play
"Louie Louie" 20 times and go home. That's all we ask. Don't get all
cocky and make statements like....their are as many band parents or fans at
the game...sheeesh...then you really look and sound like band geeks.

Simply talking parents here, you cannot win the argument that there are more at the games to watch their kids play football. Many 5A schools have bands with 200-300 members. I have never seen a football team with that many players. So, simply put, there are more band parents than football parents in the stands.

If you want to keep arguing that the typical HS football fan would rather watch the 4 qtrs of action rather than halftime, that's probably fair. However, if I hear one more impatient, inconsiderate jerk "football fan" complain about 30 minute halftimes, I might fall out of my seat laughing. I guess these guys don't realize how much time the bands and drill teams spend each week preparing for their 15 minutes of fame. If officials would sack up and penalize teams for their bands exceeding time constraints, all would be solved.

[wide-e-wide]

I know when I have my 15 minutes of fame ...I want everybody to get up and go to the john.

[Dallascaper]

So the Fort Worth Star-Telegram all week has been advertising for its "Friday Night Preview" section in the newspaper. So I open it up today. Interesting read so far, until I get to this:

Tip No. 6: Get in tune

Come halftime, be sure to check out the band. You could be hearing a state champion.

At L.D. Bell games, the band is the top attraction, winning last year's UIL 5-A state championship. Other top 10 finishers included Hlatom High School and Arlington's Bowie High School.

"At our games, people come for the halftime show." said Sherrie Cyrier, president of the Bell Band Boosters. "After the show, that's when the stands clear out."

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This really is an insult to our team and it goes on year round. All our band does is brag about how great they are and how much better they are than everyone and how they win the state championship and the football team sucks blah blah blah. It gets old, but now they have to publish their insulting remarks in the newspaper for everyone to see. I enjoy them playing at our games but thats it. The reason they exist is to support us, not to compete against us. To tell you the truth I think that our school is one of the 10 or so schools in the state who cares about how well their band does in competitions. Does a 5atexasmarchingbands.com exist?

The woman's comment is a little over the top, but in Bell's case, she is guilty only of exaggeration and lack of tact.

The fact is that the image most schools project is based a great deal on what happens on Friday night. Schools are labeled "winners" or "losers" by the performance of their football teams, and in some cases, their bands. Frankly, does anyone care about SLC's volleyball team? No. Is Permian legendary for its academic prowess? No. Is there any particular reason why Trinity is mentioned in newspapers all over the state every week? Other than Trinity's football team being listed on the AP top ten, the answer is no.

In Texas, a school's reputation is built on the success of its football team. However, if the football team is bad, but the band is great, the band's performance can mitigate some of the negative impression people have. For years, Duncanville was known statewide for the quality of its band, years before they were a football power. I believe Bell is in a similar situation; the band brings Bell glory, the football team does not.

If the Blue Raiders don't like their Band's arrogant attitude, which ironically fits Bell's personality perfectly, then their football team needs to win. If not, they will continue to be out shined by the band.

[Arazorback]

The woman's comment is a little over the top, but in Bell's case, she is guilty only of exaggeration and lack of tact.

The fact is that the image most schools project is based a great deal on what happens on Friday night. Schools are labeled "winners" or "losers" by the performance of their football teams, and in some cases, their bands. Frankly, does anyone care about SLC's volleyball team? No. Is Permian legendary for its academic prowess? No. Is there any particular reason why Trinity is mentioned in newspapers all over the state every week? Other than Trinity's football team being listed on the AP top ten, the answer is no.

In Texas, a school's reputation is built on the success of its football team. However, if the football team is bad, but the band is great, the band's performance can mitigate some of the negative impression people have. For years, Duncanville was known statewide for the quality of its band, years before they were a football power. I believe Bell is in a similar situation; the band brings Bell glory, the football team does not.

If the Blue Raiders don't like their Band's arrogant attitude, which ironically fits Bell's personality perfectly, then their football team needs to win. If not, they will continue to be out shined by the band.

Great assessment...other than the fact that D-ville(football) is overrated :D

[westlake]

I like that the players and coaches get some time to adjust and take a breather. I dont like having to watch the band, i kinda like listening to them while the game is going on,but i dont like watching them. There may be more band parents than football parents, but no one would go for just the halftime show unless their kid was in it.

Football is where its at.

[GoOwls]

Bottom line, we read two press releases:

1. Southlake Carroll's football team will play Longview tonight at Texas Stadium, at 7 PM.

2. Southlake Carroll's band will compete against the Longview band at Texas Stadium, at 7 PM.

How many fans attend each event:

1. 20,000+

2. the parents and a few others

I rest my case. The band does not have a forum, except for the football games, and should remember why they were created to begin with, to be a pepsquad for the football team, and not thier own high and mighty self-entity.

Bottom line, band is not a revenue sport, it is partly supported by football revenue.

[Arazorback]

Bottom line, we read two press releases:

1. Southlake Carroll's football team will play Longview tonight at Texas Stadium, at 7 PM.

2. Southlake Carroll's band will compete against the Longview band at Texas Stadium, at 7 PM.

How many fans attend each event:

1. 20,000+

2. the parents and a few others

I rest my case. The band does not have a forum, except for the football games, and should remember why they were created to begin with, to be a pepsquad for the football team, and not thier own high and mighty self-entity.

Bottom line, band is not a revenue sport, it is partly supported by football revenue.

1. Yep
2.In this statement you accuse SLC and Longview students of not supporting their peers. You do not know the situations of their schools you should probably not comment on this. Use your own school when you want to talk about lack of spirit, because I'm sure that many at those schools would not appreciate you making such judgements about them.
I bet more people would show up to see the band than go to basketball games.
How can you rest your case based on two statements that you have no facts to back up?...you would not win that case.
Obviously you didn't agree with my post, which is really an inside look at how most band kids feel, but I guess you can choose to have your own opinion.

Band is not a sport....but its a very worthwhile experience. It doesn't matter that it does not make money, some things that cost money are actually worth doing....thats why money exists...to spend on worthwhile things.

[GoOwls]

1. Yep
2.In this statement you accuse SLC and Longview students of not supporting their peers. You do not know the situations of their schools you should probably not comment on this. Use your own school when you want to talk about lack of spirit, because I'm sure that many at those schools would not appreciate you making such judgements about them.
I bet more people would show up to see the band than go to basketball games.
How can you rest your case based on two statements that you have no facts to back up?...you would not win that case.
Obviously you didn't agree with my post, which is really an inside look at how most band kids feel, but I guess you can choose to have your own opinion.

Band is not a sport....but its a very worthwhile experience. It doesn't matter that it does not make money, some things that cost money are actually worth doing....thats why money exists...to spend on worthwhile things.

Good Lord almighty dude, it was a freakin' hypothetical situation, I picked two top teams that would be a major draw to Texas Stadium. It in no way had nay direct intention against the two schools. CHILL OUT!!!!!!!

By the way, wood shop is a worthwhile experience, but nobodys gonna pay or care to see it.

[Arazorback]

Good Lord almighty dude, it was a freakin' hypothetical situation, I picked two top teams that would be a major draw to Texas Stadium. It in no way had nay direct intention against the two schools. CHILL OUT!!!!!!!

By the way, wood shop is a worthwhile experience, but nobodys gonna pay or care to see it.

I don't think I was being unreasonable in any way...nor do I care to chill out, I obviously am passionate about band. My point was that you don't know about these schools so don't use them as examples...Garland is a good program use them. I wasn't talking about people paying to see band I was saying its worthwhile for the school district to pay money to develope the program...I don't see where you got woodshop from. I'm not competing against you so don't take it as an insult, but you do not have an informed opinion on the subject, because band is a completely different world than what you have ever experienced, but thats ok, just don't generalize people and put something down just because you don't understand it.

[CyFallsMom]

I hate to break it to folks in this thread, but there are more parents in the stands to see band, drill team and cheer kids at a high school football game than there are to see a kid play football. Do these parents want the team to win? Of course. Will they cheer on the football team? Usually.

I have to add 2 more cents - every year when our band had "Senior Night" at the last football game, while we were involved in it anyway, we discovered that we knew about 1/3 of the parents who showed up that night - the rest were total strangers who had never come to watch their kids do anything, nor had they helped with any of the lugging of coolers or pluming of hats - they dropped them off at school in the morning and then picked them up after the game. It was appalling to me. There is NO excuse for not going to see your kids, even if they are playing in a tiddly wink contest. As for our football parents, they are the majority at our games hands down - they are great fans of their kids.

[wide-e-wide]

care to elaborate..."pluming the hats"
hahaha
I don't know what that means. Educate me Mom.

[GoOwls]

I don't think I was being unreasonable in any way...nor do I care to chill out, I obviously am passionate about band. My point was that you don't know about these schools so don't use them as examples...Garland is a good program use them. I wasn't talking about people paying to see band I was saying its worthwhile for the school district to pay money to develope the program...I don't see where you got woodshop from. I'm not competing against you so don't take it as an insult, but you do not have an informed opinion on the subject, because band is a completely different world than what you have ever experienced, but thats ok, just don't generalize people and put something down just because you don't understand it.

Then stick by your guns dude and practice what you preach. Don't let me ever see you use any kind of anaolgy of any kind that doesn't pertain to your team or something directly with you, cause I'm gonna call your stiff butt out every time I see it. If you can dish it out, you better be able to take it coming back.......or just grow up. :mad:

By the way, don't claim to know my level of being informed or knowing about music.

The resume:

1. 7 years of piano lessons

2. Played drums in a garage band for 13 years.

3. High school A Cappella choir for 4 years.

4. All-City Choir 2 years.

I know music and it's place in the scheme of hich school athletic events. You sir, do not.

[CyFallsMom]

care to elaborate..."pluming the hats"

Okay, you know those silly feather things that go on the band hat? Well, they are called plumes and the kids in the band aren't allowed to touch them because the oils in your skin harm the feathers or some such thing like that. They were protected like the gold in Fort Knox. Well, we moms would put gloves on and usually there were only about 5 of us and we would stick those feathered plumes in each and every of those 225 or so hats!! The kids usually had fun with it though - I even had some kids who would only come to me to get "plumed" and I was called the head plume mom. The one really fun thing about it was that while we were waiting for the band to come down, I got to be on the field and right behind the football team and really felt part of the football action down there for the few minutes I was there!!!

Just one more side note about band life - They had another funny rule that the kids could only watch G or PG movies on chartered bus trips - I got talked to once because I let our bus watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail - I don't believe it has a rating so I was not in the wrong and we all enjoyed a very funny movie. Anyway, my son went on his first college band bus trip the other day and was so excited because they got to watch an R rated film AND there were no chaperones on the bus. It's the little things in life I guess.

[wide-e-wide]

GoOwls...my brother from another mother...what's the deal blood?

[CoppellCowboy57]

#1 LD Bells band is a great band, just like Coppells 11th best band in the state

#2 LD Bell's football team as sucked over the years, I dont expect them to do well...I would go the game just to see y'alls band as well

[BandidoNB]

I have gone to football games just to see a school with a good band; however I also am polite and stay for the entire game and watch the team as well... rather than go to the Hot Dog Stand at halftime like others who would only watch the game would.

[dragons08]

I hate to break it to folks in this thread, but there are more parents in the stands to see band, drill team and cheer kids at a high school football game than there are to see a kid play football. Do these parents want the team to win? Of course. Will they cheer on the football team? Usually.acuttaly a lot of the band parents are dragon football lovers, as is the rest of southlake, so if they werent in the band they still be there to support the dragons

To hear the joke that a band is in place to "support" the football team is ridiculous. Bands are in place so that students have an opportunity to engage in fine arts, develop their musical talents and get involved in something worthwhile. Several bands around the state do a great job of supporting their team with well-timed songs and drum cadences.our directors, drill us about how we are there to support the team, and not there for the sake of us, we do what we think we need to do to get fans pumped, players pumped etc, coach dodge does give "requests" of what he wants played when, like hawii 5-0, in the playoffs he wanted that played, every quater, it meant something to him, he told the directors the story and everything and they told us



Have you seen the LD Bell band? The best in the state.their band is pretty awesome, but is it true they havent changed their show in a long time, like they barely alter it? rumor i heard..
i wrote my comments in bold...

[dragons08]

Just one more side note about band life - They had another funny rule that the kids could only watch G or PG movies on chartered bus trips - I got talked to once because I let our bus watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail - I don't believe it has a rating so I was not in the wrong and we all enjoyed a very funny movie. Anyway, my son went on his first college band bus trip the other day and was so excited because they got to watch an R rated film AND there were no chaperones on the bus. It's the little things in life I guess.
we really dont have a rating system? im not sure, it basically depends whos your bus chaparone, like we watched Anchor Man and well, you know how they swear and stuff, and the chaporones didnt care, others do, so it depends who, theres not really a "rule" on it its just chaprone disgression

[dragons08]

id also like to say that, it seems to me, i dont know what many of you think, but that the carroll fans support anything that is representing carroll, they'll always clap and what not, and it seems most go to get their snacks and stuff after we play, also i like how we do the dragons spell out thing, gets everybody up and ready for the football team, itd be cool if you guys could clap in time though...a little bit off earlier...

[wide-e-wide]

Well there is the diff......
The band worries about being PG rated...
meanwhile the football team is R rated...the whole game...
before the game...and after the game...
I mean really...could you get motivated by a coach that says...
Gosh darnnit...shucks...golly gee...we suck....?

[dragons08]

Well there is the diff......
The band worries about being PG rated...
meanwhile the football team is R rated...the whole game...
before the game...and after the game...
I mean really...could you get motivated by a coach that says...
Gosh darnnit...shucks...golly gee...we suck....?
you ought to come sit by us saxophones, theres A LOT of swearing, usually at awesome plays and td's and stuff, my friend hes got a line he says everytime we score, or have a huge play, PM if you want to know what it is

[nate]

This entire thread could be used to support the idea of "dumb jocks." To hear "football or death" from so many of you is pretty disturbing, but also entertaining.

Comments suggesting that band was invented to support athletics truly show me the intelligence factor we are dealing with. Good luck to your teams and your bands, we certainly know who will be calling whom boss in a few years!

[dragons08]

i can honestly care less if peope like the band or not, like i said before im there to support the football team, the "Defense" the "Lets go dragons" (which i usually start the past 2 seasons..), stuff like that, eye of the tiger is a team favorite gets them pumped, hawaii 5-0 is coach dodges request song, so for anybody who says the dragon band is not there to support the dragon football team is only kidding them self, plus were not an "elite" marching band, so were not there to showcase ourselves

[Arazorback]

Then stick by your guns dude and practice what you preach. Don't let me ever see you use any kind of anaolgy of any kind that doesn't pertain to your team or something directly with you, cause I'm gonna call your stiff butt out every time I see it. If you can dish it out, you better be able to take it coming back.......or just grow up. :mad:

By the way, don't claim to know my level of being informed or knowing about music.

The resume:

1. 7 years of piano lessons

2. Played drums in a garage band for 13 years.

3. High school A Cappella choir for 4 years.

4. All-City Choir 2 years.

I know music and it's place in the scheme of hich school athletic events. You sir, do not.

funny i thought this was about marching band...its a whole different animal than choir. You don't have experience in it and I do so I thought I would enlighten you as to the growing popularity of marching band. Anyway don't get so bent out of shape about it, I told you I am not trying to attack you and its not a competition. Don't call me sir I'm only 18...I guess we will have to agree that there was some miscommunication between us. I apologize if you took what I said to demean you and your character. I was involved in the band for four years and am continueing on at a fine university band so please do not tell me that I have no concept of something that I have actually been a part of. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree about the role of marching bands. Again I apologize for any miscomunication that seemed hostile on my part.

[wide-e-wide]

This entire thread could be used to support the idea of "dumb jocks." To hear "football or death" from so many of you is pretty disturbing, but also entertaining.

Comments suggesting that band was invented to support athletics truly show me the intelligence factor we are dealing with. Good luck to your teams and your bands, we certainly know who will be calling whom boss in a few years!


golly gee...you get picked on a lot in school don't you?
they call you names like square....L7.....punk....nerd....geek
You will have the last laugh...one day you will be working for NASA...
until then.....................you are a band geek...it's like a tradiion and stuff.

[nate]

golly gee...you get picked on a lot in school don't you?
they call you names like square....L7.....punk....nerd....geek
You will have the last laugh...one day you will be working for NASA...
until then.....................you are a band geek...it's like a tradiion and stuff.

When I was in high school, over 10 years ago, I was called several things - smart, funny, talented, goofy, handsome. All I know is that I knew how to spell and communicate in the English language. And I was not a jock punk (thinking everything revolved around me and my teammates) even though I had a varsity sports letter. I realize we live in Texas, and many in this state make HS football their God for 10-15 weeks each Fall, but some of you are delusional. Support your team, remember academics are more important than both sports and fine arts, and lay off the band supporters.

[Tut]

Side note - Some people are ignorant (meaning unknowing, not necessarily stupid) of the effort put into the halftime shows. They should go and watch the band and drill teams practice. Their perspetive might change.

To the point - There was a post saying band directors dictate how the band supports the football team. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!

At Katy, the only program I have first hand knowledge about, there have been two recent band directors. Bob Bryant started "That Roarin' Band from Tigerland" and Chris Arrowood has not missed a beat. Musically, Katy annually gets the "Sweepstakes Award" (Div. 1 marks in marching, concert, and sightreading). They are also true football fans.
There is communication between coaches and band director in close games. One time, the coach requested that the band play when Katy had the ball so the other team couldn't hear the signals. The fight song was played throughout the entire 4th quarter. It gave the band and everyone in the loud Katy stands to feel pride in their small role towards a state championship.

Over seven plus years, I've seen many bands and most don't do much after halftime. The few who do are an asset to the team.

[dragons08]

Over seven plus years, I've seen many bands and most don't do much after halftime. The few who do are an asset to the team.
we probally play a lot more in the 3rd and 4th than we do in the first half, we dont play right away in the 3rd, because well you can imagine why because of our size, it takes a lil bit to get everyone back up there

[SLCDad]

The band does not have a forum, except for the football games, and should remember why they were created to begin with, to be a pepsquad for the football team, and not thier own high and mighty self-entity.
Poppycock.

[Mhs06]

Are we really having a discussion as to whether the fans of a football game are, primarily, in attendance for, either, the football play or the band's halftime performance......IN TEXAS??....

I could understand if this was North Dakota...New Hampshire...or Idaho, but TEXAS! The world truly is coming to an end...New Orleans is under water, the war in Iraq has gone south and the High School Band's in Texas think everyone wants to, "primarily", come see them perform at the FOOTBALL Games!
C'mon man! LOL! :D Seriously?!

That is an awfully ignorant thing to say. Bands in Texas are known around the nation to be some of the best. LD Bell, Haltom, Bowie, Westfield, Haltom, The Woodlands, Duncanville, hell, pretty much any school really. If you were to put a low ranked Texas marching band in a state such as South Carolina, it would in state.

[Mhs06]

I rest my case. The band does not have a forum, except for the football games, and should remember why they were created to begin with, to be a pepsquad for the football team, and not thier own high and mighty self-entity.

Bottom line, band is not a revenue sport, it is partly supported by football revenue.

Another short comment on this. Yes, there are SEVERAL band forums, you have to know where to look though. BOA probably has the largest one.

Marching band was not created because of football. In the beginning, all the band had to do at the football game was to play the national anthem. That was it. Marching band started up because of Drum Corps during the summer.

And yes, we are our own "high and might self-entity". As are the dance team and the cheerleaders. All of us participate in competitions, and we take them very seriously.

Do we come to support the football team? Heck yes

Do we think supporting the football team is the most important thing of the game? Heck no

I am probably one of the biggest football fans that is also in the band. But still, the halftime show is still the largest priority for me.

[SLCDad]

Anyone who knows anything about education knows the huge benefit on the I.Q. that music education has. Being involved in music makes you smarter. There are some smart football players but beating your head against a linebacker does less for developing brainpower than beating on the quints in the drumline.

[SLCDad]

Bottom line, we read two press releases:

1. Southlake Carroll's football team will play Longview tonight at Texas Stadium, at 7 PM.

2. Southlake Carroll's band will compete against the Longview band at Texas Stadium, at 7 PM.

How many fans attend each event:

1. 20,000+

2. the parents and a few others

I rest my case. The band does not have a forum, except for the football games, and should remember why they were created to begin with, to be a pepsquad for the football team, and not thier own high and mighty self-entity.

Bottom line, band is not a revenue sport, it is partly supported by football revenue.

You rest your case? Don't make me laugh. Your post is the biggest pile of crap I've seen on this board in a very long time.

[chap fan]

I think the best and healthies combination is to have a strong band AND a strong football team, like Southlake Carroll and Austin Westlake do. I went to a smaller school--550 in AAA. Our band was one of the best in the state. Our football team went to quarterfinals my freshman year and then suffered two 3-7 seasons before contending for the district championship my senior year.

After losses, my parents (who remained 50 yard line season ticket holders for more than 20 years after we graduated) used to always say that at least the band won the halftime, but they never left after halftime, and I don't remember anyone else doing so either.

The main rivalry was among the boys themselves--with our size school, there wasn't an abundance of talent. Some of the better football players quit football for band (and vice versa), but the former always seemed to cause hard feelings.

In today's large schools like Westlake, each activity competes in its own arena and supports each other. The band goes through a grueling competition schedule in November and, if we're lucky, a long playoff season where they let down their hair and have fun. But they always support the team, and we parents and fans should support all of the student activities and not try to compare them. It'a like comparing apples and oranges. Support all of them and hope they all excell. That's what makes schools like Southlake and Westlake, perennial Lone Star Cup contenders, so special for both the kids and their families.

[dragons08]

Another short comment on this. Yes, there are SEVERAL band forums, you have to know where to look though. BOA probably has the largest one.

Marching band was not created because of football. In the beginning, all the band had to do at the football game was to play the national anthem. That was it. Marching band started up because of Drum Corps during the summer.

And yes, we are our own "high and might self-entity". As are the dance team and the cheerleaders. All of us participate in competitions, and we take them very seriously.

Do we come to support the football team? Heck yes

Do we think supporting the football team is the most important thing of the game? Heck no

I am probably one of the biggest football fans that is also in the band. But still, the halftime show is still the largest priority for me.
well said, i am a huge football fan also, but halftime isnt the largest priority for me, its supporting the team is, cause well thats what were there for, halftime is just a lil chance for us to take center stage for 10 min.............to comment the post about how the band doesnt make money, your right on that, but it costs a heck of a lot more to be in band then it does in football, we have to "rent" our uniforms, get them dry cleaned, pay money to get stuff, so a lot of the stuff we have, comes right out of our own pockets, because most of us "donate" to the band boosters which take care of all that, and we do have some sponsers, on our 3 band trailors, we have sponsers, most of them are just people who donated a crap load of money to help the program..to comment the post about how we dont work as hard, were out there 5 days a week starting august first, for 5 hours a day, thats a long time, not to mention the, 2 hours after school 3 days a week, plus the long fridays, from 8 in the morning till 11:30-12 at night we are doing school related time, thats a longgggggggggggg time, dont get me wrong i look forward to fridays, probally more than a lot of people in band, but friday is a longgggg day, there are somep eople in band who dont give a crap about football, and i respect that, but i'll try to "push them" into likeing football, yesterday i was on the bus and this girls like "i hope we dont make the playoffs so i dont have to go to the games" so i told her get out of band, we dont want you here if your not going to support the team

[dragons08]

I think the best and healthies combination is to have a strong band AND a strong football team, like Southlake Carroll and Austin Westlake do. I went to a smaller school--550 in AAA. Our band was one of the best in the state. Our football team went to quarterfinals my freshman year and then suffered two 3-7 seasons before contending for the district championship my senior year.

After losses, my parents (who remained 50 yard line season ticket holders for more than 20 years after we graduated) used to always say that at least the band won the halftime, but they never left after halftime, and I don't remember anyone else doing so either.

The main rivalry was among the boys themselves--with our size school, there wasn't an abundance of talent. Some of the better football players quit football for band (and vice versa), but the former always seemed to cause hard feelings.

In today's large schools like Westlake, each activity competes in its own arena and supports each other. The band goes through a grueling competition schedule in November and, if we're lucky, a long playoff season where they let down their hair and have fun. But they always support the team, and we parents and fans should support all of the student activities and not try to compare them. It'a like comparing apples and oranges. Support all of them and hope they all excell. That's what makes schools like Southlake and Westlake, perennial Lone Star Cup contenders, so special for both the kids and their families.
thanks for considering us a "strong band", i think we arent a top marching band, we'll be graet at the end of the season, but not like a LD Bell band, but i thnk our presence in the stand, is what makes us great, loud, supporting the team, the crew comes to us sometimes and it seems like they want us to get people pumped, so we'll start a chant, or just start yelling, and it seems to carry over ot the rest of the fans

[Tut]

we probally play a lot more in the 3rd and 4th than we do in the first half, we dont play right away in the 3rd, because well you can imagine why because of our size, it takes a lil bit to get everyone back up there

SLC is one of the "few who do". You obviously have a great all around program there (great fan support too).
Humble, which Katy plays next is another one.

[dragons08]

SLC is one of the "few who do". You obviously have a great all around program there (great fan support too).
Humble, which Katy plays next is another one.
thanks man, id have to add coppell as a few who do band as well, they startred play right away, im sure if we were smaller we'd be playing sooner, but oh well, we didnt play the chicken dance, dr who (hey song), or go big green till the 4th quater which are big "pep" songs, and just a lil fact for those of you who thin slc band sucks, we recived sweepstakes last year, 1's at UIL for marching and 1's for sight reading and music at UIL for concert band, (not all 4 bands got all 1's, but they only count your varsity band, which is first band for the sweepstakes), tut, i havent seen or heard katy's band before, so if you can give me any details on them thatd be great

[wide-e-wide]

When I was in high school, over 10 years ago, I was called several things - smart, funny, talented, goofy, handsome. All I know is that I knew how to spell and communicate in the English language. And I was not a jock punk (thinking everything revolved around me and my teammates) even though I had a varsity sports letter. I realize we live in Texas, and many in this state make HS football their God for 10-15 weeks each Fall, but some of you are delusional. Support your team, remember academics are more important than both sports and fine arts, and lay off the band supporters.

It was a typo...Went to D.C. in 3rd grade on the All-Texas spelling bee team. Got a trophy and everything...so I know how to spell. And still I turned out to be a 'dumb' jock...imagine that...?

[Tut]

thanks man, id have to add coppell as a few who do band as well, they startred play right away, im sure if we were smaller we'd be playing sooner, but oh well, we didnt play the chicken dance, dr who (hey song), or go big green till the 4th quater which are big "pep" songs, and just a lil fact for those of you who thin slc band sucks, we recived sweepstakes last year, 1's at UIL for marching and 1's for sight reading and music at UIL for concert band, (not all 4 bands got all 1's, but they only count your varsity band, which is first band for the sweepstakes), tut, i havent seen or heard katy's band before, so if you can give me any details on them thatd be great

Katy's band is about 250 strong. At football games, they constantly play when the other team has the ball. With the ball - short fight song after a first down, long fight song after a score. When on the field before halftime, they even play some as situations arise. As visitors, they stay on the sidelines to watch the other band perform and (home or away) play the fight song while the team takes the field, then get into the stands as quickly as possible (with a bottle of water - don't want em passing out) to start again.

Halftime shows and musical quality are taken seriously except to occasionally "just make noise" when the opposing team has the ball in front of them in a tight game when loud is good. So far, they have kept halftime simple but good. They will start playing their UIL show next week through contest. After that, they do different (and entertaining) shows.

Contestwise, they consistently make area in state years and get sweepstakes. Last year the top three (of four) earned sweepstakes.

Basically, the year is broken into two parts. While they do well marching, at football games supporting the team is #1. This usually lasts well into December. The second semester is then totally devoted to great music.

Good luck with your band and team. Maybe we'll meet in the finals again.

[Tigerjag]

trained the kids, parents, hell even locals to paint there bodys, buy Katy clothing and attend every game, as if it were the last.

Several Louisiana refugees have already registered at Katy High. On Friday, the new girl I met was already wearing a Katy Tiger t-shirt.

[dragons08]

Good luck with your band and team. Maybe we'll meet in the finals again.
good luck to you guys as well, and i hope your right on that last line, thatd be cool

[Reaganrattler07]

Several Louisiana refugees have already registered at Katy High. On Friday, the new girl I met was already wearing a Katy Tiger t-shirt.

That's nice she's "fit in"....shame it's under these circumstances.

[dragons08]

Several Louisiana refugees have already registered at Katy High. On Friday, the new girl I met was already wearing a Katy Tiger t-shirt.
wow, thats fast, i assume itd be the same way here, i heard we got a few refugees, but im not sure, from what i was told they are relatives and stuff to southlake residents, becasue there are no hotels here yet, there will once they finish the hilton? i think thats what their building

[Tiger Dude]

I think the parents set the tone for the band's efforts and attitudes.

How many fans in the Katy bleachers get up and leave after half time? Or South Lakes or West Lakes?

If the parents don't give a crap about the game, it rubs off on the kids. Kudos to the person that told the girls to leave band if they weren't in it to play their role.

To those bandmembers that get it, bust their hump, practice relentlessly, spend their own money, kill themselves all day Friday and then turn it up a notch in the 2nd half when they are tired....

I salute you. You are the 12th man for your teams. You make a difference in a close game. It's all about the school winning, not the boys on the field. It's school pride. Either give it your best or go home. There is no middle ground.

[dragons08]

I think the parents set the tone for the band's efforts and attitudes.yep, all of them stay the whole game

How many fans in the Katy bleachers get up and leave after half time? Or South Lakes or West Lakes? none, fy its southlake for future refrence

If the parents don't give a crap about the game, it rubs off on the kids. Kudos to the person that told the girls to leave band if they weren't in it to play their role. that was me who told her to quit band,

To those bandmembers that get it, bust their hump, practice relentlessly, spend their own money, kill themselves all day Friday and then turn it up a notch in the 2nd half when they are tired....

I salute you. You are the 12th man for your teams. You make a difference in a close game. It's all about the school winning, not the boys on the field. It's school pride. Either give it your best or go home. There is no middle ground.thanks for hte kind words man ...........................

[bhs06]

Wow this thread grew more than I expected it to...

At school yesterday the whole school got word of what was in the paper. A bunch of people in the band were coming up and apologizing and wishing us good luck(something that never happened last yerar). The Pep Rally was great!

The game was even better. It was our first "close" win in over 3 years, our last close game in 2003 vs. Colleyville ended in a loss and our last "close" win was against Keller in 2002. The past 16 games or so have all been either win by a lot or lose by a lot. So I think it was nice for everyone to see us squeak out a win. The band, unlike the past few seasons, were in the stands for most of the 3rd and 2nd quarter. They were playing constantly, and played our fight song when we scored and they weren't in the stands(again, something that wouldn't have happened last year). It's like they all of a sudden became really supportive, and I liked it. And at the end of the game after we shook Bowie's hands, the band was cheering very loudly and we went over their for the alma mater and we got a standing ovation from them all. It was really nice.

I also didn't notice the stands "emptying" out. The population in our sides of the stands actually grew as the game went on it seemed. Probably 6,000 people showed up for both sides, it was great.

In conclusion, I like how our band has stepped up their support, we appreciated it.

[Reaganrattler07]

I think the parents set the tone for the band's efforts and attitudes.

How many fans in the Katy bleachers get up and leave after half time? Or South Lakes or West Lakes?

If the parents don't give a crap about the game, it rubs off on the kids. Kudos to the person that told the girls to leave band if they weren't in it to play their role.

To those bandmembers that get it, bust their hump, practice relentlessly, spend their own money, kill themselves all day Friday and then turn it up a notch in the 2nd half when they are tired....

I salute you. You are the 12th man for your teams. You make a difference in a close game. It's all about the school winning, not the boys on the field. It's school pride. Either give it your best or go home. There is no middle ground.

That's very true....only thing that gets me about band is at halftime they like to try and turn it into a symphony....no offense, Dragons08. I haven't seen you all perform though. They should just play peppy music and get the crowd and team fired up.

[dragons08]

That's very true....only thing that gets me about band is at halftime they like to try and turn it into a symphony....no offense, Dragons08. I haven't seen you all perform though. They should just play peppy music and get the crowd and team fired up.
well during the regular season we have competitions and what not, so playng the "symphony" is just getting us ready for competions, so were not nervous and what not in front of judges, when playoffs come rolling around, we go to pep music

[Tigerjag]

wow, thats fast, i assume itd be the same way here, i heard we got a few refugees, but im not sure, from what i was told they are relatives and stuff to southlake residents, becasue there are no hotels here yet, there will once they finish the hilton? i think thats what their building

The kids who have registered so far have actually been evacuees - the people who left before the storm. It's expected that a large number will register on Tuesday, too.

So Southlake doesn't have hotels. Don't you have churches and fire stations? Open them up to refugees. They are needed! You should have people in them now!

In Katy, our churches and fire stations are pretty much full. The motels and hotels have been full since last Sunday. This doesn't even take into account the many people living with friends and relatives. Katy sits right on I-10, so we are absolutely part of the relief effort.

With all the booster clubs we have at Katy and all the zillions of t-shirts that are printed every year, I fully expect every new student to have a Katy t-shirt before they've been in class a week.

/end threadjack

[Reaganrattler07]

Ah ok....cause I don't know how many times I've cursed our band for taking too darn long dancing around the field playing soft music...ah well, this year they've been playing quite a lot of pep music which is good, cause i like it and it appears to have helped the team go 2-0

[Reaganrattler07]

The kids who have registered so far have actually been evacuees - the people who left before the storm. It's expected that a large number will register on Tuesday, too.

So Southlake doesn't have hotels. Don't you have churches and fire stations? Open them up to refugees. They are needed! You should have people in them now!

In Katy, our churches and fire stations are pretty much full. The motels and hotels have been full since last Sunday. This doesn't even take into account the many people living with friends and relatives. Katy sits right on I-10, so we are absolutely part of the relief effort.

With all the booster clubs we have at Katy and all the zillions of t-shirts that are printed every year, I fully expect every new student to have a Katy t-shirt before they've been in class a week.

/end threadjack

That's a way to sell spirit material....(I work in the school store and we're always finding ways to sell stuff)

[dragons08]

The kids who have registered so far have actually been evacuees - the people who left before the storm. It's expected that a large number will register on Tuesday, too.

So Southlake doesn't have hotels. Don't you have churches and fire stations? Open them up to refugees. They are needed! You should have people in them now!

In Katy, our churches and fire stations are pretty much full. The motels and hotels have been full since last Sunday. This doesn't even take into account the many people living with friends and relatives. Katy sits right on I-10, so we are absolutely part of the relief effort.

With all the booster clubs we have at Katy and all the zillions of t-shirts that are printed every year, I fully expect every new student to have a Katy t-shirt before they've been in class a week.

/end threadjack
we could have people in them, i have no idea, havent heard anything about it, i'll ask around

[Tigerjag]

That's a way to sell spirit material....(I work in the school store and we're always finding ways to sell stuff)

Not sold to them.

[TexasRed6x]

It OK to have a great band and for many years that all you can say about the school. I know I saw a championship football game and ya'll lost like 52-0 but the band was outstanding.

[NTxTiger]

bhs06, nate is correct. I don't know if you were the one crying about the band's football support last season or not, but you are embarrassing our football team more than insulting the band. I have had a kid in the band 3 years now and I haven’t noticed the mass exodus you write about. Most of my season ticket holding band parent friends stay for the entire game. There was one busy body football mom last year who challenged my friend about leaving when she went down by the concession stand to see her daughter after the halftime show (many football parents go to the concession stand during the band's show). Luckily, most of the football parents I know are not like her. I attended the football banquet to support the team last year. The new coach appears to have the team well disciplined, so I hope this is all behind us and we can win our games and fill Pennington with football fans.

I played in the band all four years at a current football powerhouse (marched two) and played varsity football two years. Our band had been better than our football team many years and we knew it. There was no competition between the two, we were just glad all the seats were filled and somebody was yelling and playing for us.

A writer from the Mid-Cities Daily News once wrote, "Two of my most memorable playoff seasons were 1982 and 1999. In ’82, L.D. Bell and Trinity, made playoff runs for the ages. The two teams met in Week 10 with identical 9-0 records. School officials had to move the game from old ragged Pennington Field to Texas Stadium where then a UIL regular-season record crowd of 29,000-plus attended. Bell won, 20-8, but it was the first year two teams advanced to the playoffs and Trinity was still in. Four weeks later, the two met again in the quarterfinals, again at Texas Stadium, and the two battled to a 14-14 tie in front of 32,000-plus. Bell advanced because of a 4-2 edge in penetrations and eventually lost to Beaumont West Brook, in the championship." I would guess most weren't there to see the band.

Given this, your latest post shows much maturing on your part and I hope this can be dropped once and for all. Most people on this forum (as well as LD Bell football parents) don’t attend Bands of America or State band events, where kids from Trinity, San Antonio Reagan or Minneapolis’ Irondale can attest our band, like theirs, is a class act. By the way, I'll ask Mrs. Cyrier to apologize if that will help smooth things out.

[Bootsdaddy]

I think everyone appreciates the hard work that the band, drill team, etc. put in preparing for their halftime shows and contests and its really great that those same kids sometimes get scholarships, awards, etc. But to suggest that more people are there to see those organizations because there are more kids in those organizations than football players is really funny. If im the stands when either team's band finishes their routine i will applaud but lets be realistic. One fourth of Lufkin's population doesnt show up at Abe Martin to see the band.

[CyFallsMom]

"i hope we dont make the playoffs so i dont have to go to the games" so i told her get out of band, we dont want you here if your not going to support the team

We had a LOT of that going on last year. The directors didn't make it mandatory that they go to the games so they couldn't do halftime shows because only 3 color guard girls (out of 45) showed up and there were a lot fo the band kids missing too. That's just a shame I think. Wide-e-wide mentioned the cussing among the football team. Believe me, that went on ALL the time as did a lot of disrespect from some of the kids. However, if they got caught in uniform cussing, they only got a slap on the wrist. I had to report kids to the directors a few times for showing major disrespect to myself and others (including racial remarks directed at white chaperones). I was basically told that I needed to chill - these kids had a competition to do, they were stressed and I didn't need to be getting them upset. I really did like the program the first couple of years but after that my whole family figured it out. I will say that these kids worked hard and I would never take that away from them. They had a great work ethic and a lot of them were in honors classes. However, there was a lot of discrimination among the various level bands. The bottom band kids were treated very different from the higher level kids. I had a huge problem with that since everyone paid the same amount of money (in the 1000's after trips and everything considered) to be in the program but only the higher groups went on the fabulous trips even though everyone did the same fundraising. The other kids would go on a 3 day trip to San Antonio. My son is SO much happier in college band - he is finally having a good time in the stands and on the field.

[Roughrider]

I hate to break it to folks in this thread, but there are more parents in the stands to see band, drill team and cheer kids at a high school football game than there are to see a kid play football. Do these parents want the team to win? Of course. Will they cheer on the football team? Usually.

To hear the joke that a band is in place to "support" the football team is ridiculous. Bands are in place so that students have an opportunity to engage in fine arts, develop their musical talents and get involved in something worthwhile. Several bands around the state do a great job of supporting their team with well-timed songs and drum cadences.

I remember how bad Pearland's football team used to be, and yes, more people showed up to see halftime than the 4 quarters of football. If the team doesn't like people getting up and leaving, how about putting in the effort to improve as a team?

All this said, the person quoted in the paper should not have thrown the team under the bus like that.

Have you seen the LD Bell band? The best in the state.

WRONG! Take the football out and all you will have in the stands is band parents. You take a game that has say 8,000 in attendance, 300 band members (both bands) with say, 900 parents and siblings in the stands (3 per band kid) and you still have 7,100 coming to see "THE GAME". While the band is great lets not kid ourselves, it exist only because of the game (and of course to give the athletically challenged a chance to get on the field)!

[GoOwls]

WRONG! Take the football out and all you will have in the stands is band parents. You take a game that has say 8,000 in attendance, 300 band members (both bands) with say, 900 parents and siblings in the stands (3 per band kid) and you still have 7,100 coming to see "THE GAME". While the band is great lets not kid ourselves, it exist only because of the game (and of course to give the athletically challenged a chance to get on the field)!

:D :D You da man! That was so dang funny, and so right on. I knew we could agree on somthing. :D :D

[dragons08]

We had a LOT of that going on last year. The directors didn't make it mandatory that they go to the games so they couldn't do halftime shows because only 3 color guard girls (out of 45) showed up and there were a lot fo the band kids missing too. That's just a shame I think. Wide-e-wide mentioned the cussing among the football team. Believe me, that went on ALL the time as did a lot of disrespect from some of the kids. However, if they got caught in uniform cussing, they only got a slap on the wrist. I had to report kids to the directors a few times for showing major disrespect to myself and others (including racial remarks directed at white chaperones). I was basically told that I needed to chill - these kids had a competition to do, they were stressed and I didn't need to be getting them upset. I really did like the program the first couple of years but after that my whole family figured it out. I will say that these kids worked hard and I would never take that away from them. They had a great work ethic and a lot of them were in honors classes. However, there was a lot of discrimination among the various level bands. The bottom band kids were treated very different from the higher level kids. I had a huge problem with that since everyone paid the same amount of money (in the 1000's after trips and everything considered) to be in the program but only the higher groups went on the fabulous trips even though everyone did the same fundraising. The other kids would go on a 3 day trip to San Antonio. My son is SO much happier in college band - he is finally having a good time in the stands and on the field.
ill cuss at a game, but iwont say it to an adult, i wont disrespect any of the chaprones because i know their there to help us, i dont notice the discrimatnation between higher bands and lower bands, cause well im in last band (i didnt practice my audtion music...), and i have friends in 1st and they dont say crap about being in last band to me, also all the bands go on the same trips and what not, so no discrimnation there

[dragons08]

WRONG! Take the football out and all you will have in the stands is band parents. You take a game that has say 8,000 in attendance, 300 band members (both bands) with say, 900 parents and siblings in the stands (3 per band kid) and you still have 7,100 coming to see "THE GAME". While the band is great lets not kid ourselves, it exist only because of the game (and of course to give the athletically challenged a chance to get on the field)!
well, more than 900 alone for slc then, our band is over 300....fyi, not all of us in band are athletically challenged, i'll admitt there are kids who are athletically challenged, most of us are in pretty good shape, i play soccer as well so im not athletically challenged, were having a saxophone football game tonight, and most of the saxophones arent athletically challegned, so please dont say its for the atheltically challenged, cause were also in the 100 plus degree heat, probally longer than the football team, plus we have to wear those black uniforms in the heat, which sucks, youd need some athletic ability to be able to take the heat

[Texas Bob]

So the Fort Worth Star-Telegram all week has been advertising for its "Friday Night Preview" section in the newspaper. So I open it up today. Interesting read so far, until I get to this:

Tip No. 6: Get in tune

Come halftime, be sure to check out the band. You could be hearing a state champion.

At L.D. Bell games, the band is the top attraction, winning last year's UIL 5-A state championship. Other top 10 finishers included Hlatom High School and Arlington's Bowie High School.

"At our games, people come for the halftime show." said Sherrie Cyrier, president of the Bell Band Boosters. "After the show, that's when the stands clear out."

---

This really is an insult to our team and it goes on year round. All our band does is brag about how great they are and how much better they are than everyone and how they win the state championship and the football team sucks blah blah blah. It gets old, but now they have to publish their insulting remarks in the newspaper for everyone to see. I enjoy them playing at our games but thats it. The reason they exist is to support us, not to compete against us. To tell you the truth I think that our school is one of the 10 or so schools in the state who cares about how well their band does in competitions. Does a 5atexasmarchingbands.com exist?

At least on Tip No. 1: Get a game plan She quoted a very bright guy.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/entertainment/12543117.htm

[Dawg Fan]

All I can say is that I bought season tickets to watch the football team play whether the band shows up or not. We have a PA system to play the Star Spangled Banner. What the heck ever happened to the enjoyable halftime show? These shows I have seen the last couple of years are weird to say the least. I wish that they would just use the drum and bugle corps and play those powerful songs that blow you out of your seat. Our band out here will play the fight song and maybe a few songs in the second half but they are not really there to support the team. Our first game at home was Friday night and the opposing band did not make the trip and our band went on the field and marched to ONE song and was off the field with 15 minutes of silence until the second half. Why even show up :rolleyes:

[Reaganrattler07]

Well, I was telling some of my band friends last year to play some peppy music and they were like "are you kidding me? we're there for ourselves .....that blew the blood pressure out of proportion. There should be rules that bands play only peppy music, first half, half time, and second half. And if they play any of that symphony crap....let the football team have at them.

[dragons08]

Well, I was telling some of my band friends last year to play some peppy music and they were like "are you kidding me? we're there for ourselves .
wow, ****, if they were in the dragon band and said that, id be pissed off, its pretty easy to tell who hates being at the games, their extremly pissy after games, so thats when you go be all hyper and mess with them, oh boy it pisses them off, its usually girls to, hahaha its a fun thing to do

[Dallascaper]

wow, ****, if they were in the dragon band and said that, id be pissed off, its pretty easy to tell who hates being at the games, their extremly pissy after games, so thats when you go be all hyper and mess with them, oh boy it pisses them off, its usually girls to, hahaha its a fun thing to do

How would you like to be forced to waste your Friday nights attending something that you feel nothing about? Bands are comprised of many individuals; some enjoy the football game, some enjoy the marching, and some are "serious" musicians who resent having to wear a hot, uncomfortable and ridiculous looking costume.

I was in the Trinity band many moons ago, and I remember hating the football games, at first; I even brought a book with me to read. Eventually, I got sucked into the action and have been a hopeless high school football fan ever since. If it wasn't for my experience in the band, being dragged unwillingly to the football games, I wouldn't be here now.

But I still feel for the band people for whom the whole football thing is a pointless bore.

[dragons08]

How would you like to be forced to waste your Friday nights attending something that you feel nothing about? Bands are comprised of many individuals; some enjoy the football game, some enjoy the marching, and some are "serious" musicians who resent having to wear a hot, uncomfortable and ridiculous looking costume.

I was in the Trinity band many moons ago, and I remember hating the football games, at first; I even brought a book with me to read. Eventually, I got sucked into the action and have been a hopeless high school football fan ever since. If it wasn't for my experience in the band, being dragged unwillingly to the football games, I wouldn't be here now.

But I still feel for the band people for whom the whole football thing is a pointless bore.
then you dont have to join marching band, marching band is to support the football team, concert band is for playing for fun to show your self off, i know many people will agree with me when i say this is, the band is there to support the team, nothing else

[SLC13]

then you dont have to join marching band, marching band is to support the football team, concert band is for playing for fun to show your self off, i know many people will agree with me when i say this is, the band is there to support the team, nothing elseI agree dragon08......Last I looked, nobody is forced to join the marching band, so this bit about being forced to go to games is just a bunch of bull. People know what the requirements are when they sign up, so they shouldn't complain later.......

[dragons08]

I agree dragon08......Last I looked, nobody is forced to join the marching band, so this bit about being forced to go to games is just a bunch of bull. People know what the requirements are when they sign up, so they shouldn't complain later.......
yep, i rather there be 150 people that want to be there, vs 350 and 200 not want to be there, MOST dragon band members want to be there, even if they hate footbal, their there because of school pride, and some have told me that, theres a few that hate being there, and its evident

[SLC13]

yep, i rather there be 150 people that want to be there, vs 350 and 200 not want to be there, MOST dragon band members want to be there, even if they hate footbal, their there because of school pride, and some have told me that, theres a few that hate being there, and its evidentI know my two love the games......... :)

[dragons08]

I know my two do......... :)
im glad! its pretty fun to be around a ton of hyper kids who love the dragons, it makes the games that much more fun

[Dallascaper]

I agree dragon08......Last I looked, nobody is forced to join the marching band, so this bit about being forced to go to games is just a bunch of bull. People know what the requirements are when they sign up, so they shouldn't complain later.......

I figured someone would make this comment.

Actually, musicians who wish to learn music at the high school level are forced to join the marching band. Most schools don't have a symphonic band and a marching band, the symphonic band is the marching band. That said, everyone who joins the band understands that they will have to spend a chunk of their summer on the practice field, their weekends at contests and their Friday nights at football games. Anyone who can’t handle this arrangement can join the debate team or whatever.

I recall a number of musicians in our band who were obviously gifted beyond their peers and they were forced to march with the rest of us. I think most took the experience in stride, but a few were not happy.

[dragons08]

I figured someone would make this comment.

Actually, musicians who wish to learn music at the high school level are forced to join the marching band. Most schools don't have a symphonic band and a marching band, the symphonic band is the marching band. That said, everyone who joins the band understands that they will have to spend a chunk of their summer on the practice field, their weekends at contests and their Friday nights at football games. Anyone who can’t handle this arrangement can join the debate team or whatever.

I recall a number of musicians in our band who were obviously gifted beyond their peers and they were forced to march with the rest of us. I think most took the experience in stride, but a few were not happy.
we dont have that at carroll, 4 bands, marching band is for anybody who wants to particpate and put in the time, they tell you if you dont want to put in the time, support the team and what not, then dont sign up

[SLC13]

..........I recall a number of musicians in our band who were obviously gifted beyond their peers and they were forced to march with the rest of us. I think most took the experience in stride, but a few were not happy.

Dallascaper......sorry if my response sounded a bit harsh, but I have a pretty low tolerance for people that don't accept the consequences of their own actions......Especially when the activity is supposed to be fun!!

I think your last comment above may have touched on the real reason these folks were not happy......

[dragons08]

this thought just cmae back to me, it doesnt have to do with any arugment, but just a lil convo i gues you can say, as we were walking back to the buses, the football coaches were standing outside by them cause the football team buses were parked right in front of ours, several of the coachs said great work and thanks for the support

[bell grad dad]

yes, what the band president said was out of line

buuut, football fans dont have to take it out on the band kids. they're working just as hard as the football to win what they want. they dont go practice at pennington two and a half hours each morning just to make their football team look good at halftime. marching band's changed. it's not the going out at halftime, forming the word BELL and then marching back off the field kind of thing.

and the bell band does support the football team. most of the kids are actually watching the game and cheering their team on when they're not playing

but when kids join something like the band, drill team, or cheerleading, they're not doing it because they want to support the football team. they're doing it so they can do what they love and so they can be apart of something good.

and it shouldn't be that all those organizations are there to support the football team. bell shouldn't be at competetion with itself, it's just one school.

people come to watch football, people come to watch the band, people come to watch the cheerleaders and the drill team.
all around, they're coming to watch bell

[Arazorback]

Dallascaper, I have one thing to say to you

You said everything I felt without having to be confrontational like I was. You rock! :D

In most schools Marcing band is not optional, but maybe they can hire 4 or 5 directors at SLC they have the money :p .

I feel sorry for the good bands that have to witness terrible football, because if your team does well marching band is a lot more enjoyable and football starts to matter(not that bell is a terrible team, as I have stated, I think they are doing a LOT of things right this year.)

[dragons08]

but maybe they can hire 4 or 5 directors at SLC they have the money :p .

what does that have to do with anything?

[Arazorback]

what does that have to do with anything?

just a little lighthearted comment :)

[dragons08]

just a little lighthearted comment :)
ahh okay? so you just felt like saying we can hire 4 or 4 directors just cause we can?

[Dallascaper]

what does that have to do with anything?

You're joking, right? Maybe I’m reading far more into your comment than is intended.

Money makes the world go 'round, and it buys opportunities that otherwise aren't there. One can earn a good education at a "poor" school, but if you want the extras, like 4 or 5 band directors, the money is in the 'burbs.

Really, how many inner-city schools have swimming programs, gymnastics programs, hockey teams, $100K for band flags, indoor football training fields, glorious football temples, etc., etc., etc.

I'm as Republican as they come, so I understand that communities that choose to support their schools should reap the benefits of their work. However, please don't suggest that money means nothing in Texas education, particularly in regard to extracurricular activities.

[dragons08]

You're joking, right? Maybe I’m reading far more into your comment than is intended.

Money makes the world go 'round, and it buys opportunities that otherwise aren't there. One can earn a good education at a "poor" school, but if you want the extras, like 4 or 5 band directors, the money is in the 'burbs.

Really, how many inner-city schools have swimming programs, gymnastics programs, hockey teams, $100K for band flags, indoor football training fields, glorious football temples, etc., etc., etc.

I'm as Republican as they come, so I understand that communities that choose to support their schools should reap the benefits of their work. However, please don't suggest that money means nothing in Texas education, particularly in regard to extracurricular activities.he said band is not optional at other places but at slc we can hire 4 or 5 directors, waht im getting at is what the heck does he mean by that? what does being optional have to do with hiring people?

[Reaganrattler07]

How would you like to be forced to waste your Friday nights attending something that you feel nothing about? Bands are comprised of many individuals; some enjoy the football game, some enjoy the marching, and some are "serious" musicians who resent having to wear a hot, uncomfortable and ridiculous looking costume.

I was in the Trinity band many moons ago, and I remember hating the football games, at first; I even brought a book with me to read. Eventually, I got sucked into the action and have been a hopeless high school football fan ever since. If it wasn't for my experience in the band, being dragged unwillingly to the football games, I wouldn't be here now.

But I still feel for the band people for whom the whole football thing is a pointless bore.

Uh, quick note - EVERYONE WHO JOINS THE BAND KNOW WHAT THE BAND DOES.....if they're not happy with it, get out and don't complain.

[dragons08]

Uh, quick note - EVERYONE WHO JOINS THE BAND KNOW WHAT THE BAND DOES.....if they're not happy with it, get out and don't complain.
Amen.

[Reaganrattler07]

I figured someone would make this comment.

Actually, musicians who wish to learn music at the high school level are forced to join the marching band. Most schools don't have a symphonic band and a marching band, the symphonic band is the marching band. That said, everyone who joins the band understands that they will have to spend a chunk of their summer on the practice field, their weekends at contests and their Friday nights at football games. Anyone who can’t handle this arrangement can join the debate team or whatever.

I recall a number of musicians in our band who were obviously gifted beyond their peers and they were forced to march with the rest of us. I think most took the experience in stride, but a few were not happy.

Are there people standing there with a club saying "join or else" no...or at least i hope not....but really, people know what bands do, and you should know that when you join up. It's like joining ROTC and refusing to cut your hair or refusing to take orders....

[dragons08]

Are there people standing there with a club saying "join or else" no...or at least i hope not....but really, people know what bands do, and you should know that when you join up. It's like joining ROTC and refusing to cut your hair or refusing to take orders....
redskins, you are one smart man, but the whole redskins thing, eh i dont know anymore, but your right when you say no makes you join band (maybe your parents, but that doesnt count), my parents acuttaly made me join band a while back, and im glad they did

[Reaganrattler07]

redskins, you are one smart man, but the whole redskins thing, eh i dont know anymore, but your right when you say no makes you join band (maybe your parents, but that doesnt count), my parents acuttaly made me join band a while back, and im glad they did

Haha, well your not too smart with the Bears either....and then everyone else who supports the "Boys" should go to mental health asylums.....

But yeah, i understand some kids are 'forced' by their parents, but really...the ones who are volunteers, shut up and do what your supposed to....that's starting to become a problem today....people think they're more than what they really are...that may sound really bad but think about it...

[Dallascaper]

he said band is not optional at other places but at slc we can hire 4 or 5 directors, waht im getting at is what the heck does he mean by that? what does being optional have to do with hiring people?

I think he was responding to your statement, which was:
we dont have that at carroll, 4 bands, marching band is for anybody who wants to particpate and put in the time, they tell you if you dont want to put in the time, support the team and what not, then dont sign up

I assume you are saying that SLC has four bands, which seems like a lot for a school its size, and that gives musicians the choice of joining the marching band or not. Anyone who wishes to avoid the football games and focus on their music studies is allowed to do so. Am I misreading your description?

I think the other post was just an offhand comment that SLC is unique in its ability to afford so many band directors. It was that comment that I thought you were referring to, but the vague nature of your comment lead me to misread your point. My mistake.

[dragons08]

I think he was responding to your statement, which was:


I assume you are saying that SLC has four bands, which seems like a lot for a school its size, and that gives musicians the choice of joining the marching band or not. Anyone who wishes to avoid the football games and focus on their music studies is allowed to do so. Am I misreading your description?

I think the other post was just an offhand comment that SLC is unique in its ability to afford so many band directors. It was that comment that I thought you were referring to, but the vague nature of your comment lead me to misread your point. My mistake.
its okay, acuttaly we have 4 directors, 1 teachs 2 bands, one teaches one band and drumline, 1 teaches 1 band and is head of all the bands/marching band, and one is in charge of pit, we have an extremly large band

[dragons08]

Haha, well your not too smart with the Bears either....and then everyone else who supports the "Boys" should go to mental health asylums.....

But yeah, i understand some kids are 'forced' by their parents, but really...the ones who are volunteers, shut up and do what your supposed to....that's starting to become a problem today....people think they're more than what they really are...that may sound really bad but think about it...
in 6th grade i choose to do band on my own, in 7th grade they said i could quit, but we moved and they decided i should stay in, once i hit high school, i decided to stay in band for myself, my parents said it was my choice, so im glad in 7th/8th grade they made that choice for me, it paid off

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah....someone who has lived 3-5 times more than us seem to have a BIT more wiser then us...

[dragons08]

Yeah....someone who has lived 3-5 times more than us seem to have a BIT more knowledge then us...
yep, also someone who has never been in band, since they know more than us band nerds

[Reaganrattler07]

hey, i've been in band! i might have pretended to play my clarinet but i was still in it!

[dragons08]

hey, i've been in band! i might have pretended to play my clarinet but i was still in it!
clairnet.... :eek: , at least it wasnt trumpet, a lil sax trumpet rivarly thing at slc..

[Arazorback]

clairnet.... :eek: , at least it wasnt trumpet, a lil sax trumpet rivarly thing at slc..

Sorry if you misinterpretted my comments, I thought you said that not everyone in the SLC band does marching band...is that correct? Most schools don't do that. Allen certainly doesn't :D .

[dragons08]

Sorry if you misinterpretted my comments, I thought you said that not everyone in the SLC band does marching band...is that correct? Most schools don't do that. Allen certainly doesn't :D .
correct, not every single person in the Dragon Band, is in the Dragon Marching Band, but almost everybody is

[Mark]

The reporter grossly misquoted (i'm being kind) her source and a retraction will soon be printed.

The band booster president and her entire family are among the largest supporters of the entire community, especially the school district. Their efforts toward the band represent only a small measure of their life-long committment and contributions to all aspects of education - which include hundreds of hours in PTA and tons of other functions outside of band.

[DFW]

The reporter grossly misquoted (i'm being kind) her source and a retraction will soon be printed.


The Fort Worth Star Telegram printed a retraction and an appology for the story in Friday's paper.

[chhspantherfan]

Dragon...honestly, who cares?

Answer the threads or move on!! You're lecturing points and fowl arrogance is understood. You don't like me and, TRUST ME, vice versa! So move on!!

I've proved enough in my career...it's laughable to think I have to prove anything to you! :D

:rofl:

[ThEgReAtOnE]

:rofl:

Wow... did you really "pull a farmerfan" and dig back 6 to 7 years to bring this up? Odd.

[chhspantherfan]

Wow... did you really "pull a farmerfan" and dig back 6 to 7 years to bring this up? Odd.

not as odd as someone that doesn't like pictures taken with deer;)

[Good Knight]

Wow... did you really "pull a farmerfan" and dig back 6 to 7 years to bring this up? Odd.

Sir what was your career? I saw someone mention that you were in the NFL- then Blake said you were in a JUCO. I haven't been around long enough to know your playing history.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

not as odd as someone that doesn't like pictures taken with deer;)

Taken a GQ or family picture with a deer is odd. Taking a GQ or family picture with a dead deer is sick. JMO.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Sir what was your career? I saw someone mention that you were in the NFL- then Blake said you were in a JUCO. I haven't been around long enough to know your playing history.

I don't speak about it. Haven't even brought it up in 6 years or so. Only people, who hate that I exist, bring it up. It's kinda like the "psycho fad" around here.

Thanks for respecting my privacy.

[pied]

Sir what was your career? I saw someone mention that you were in the NFL- then Blake said you were in a JUCO. I haven't been around long enough to know your playing history.

stalker

[ThEgReAtOnE]

stalker

Sarcasm noted. All kidding aside, ask yourself, pied: what would trigger in my mind that would make me think of or hate another Poster to the point in which I dig up threads from 6, 7, or even 10 years ago... to take pop-shots at the person? Not even arguing with that person... but this guy just has a random thought to dig up old threads and take pop-shots. That's terrifying to me! There are people out there like that. I guess I just don't give that much attention towards other people (especially on a message board) that I feel the need to do something like that. I just don't think like that. It's very creepy to me.

[pied]

Sarcasm noted. All kidding aside, ask yourself, pied: what would trigger in my mind that would make me think of or hate another Poster to the point in which I dig up threads from 6, 7, or even 10 years ago... to take pop-shots at the person? Not even arguing with that person... but this guy just has a random thought to dig up old threads and take pop-shots. That's terrifying to me! There are people out there like that. I guess I just don't give that much attention towards other people (especially on a message board) that I feel the need to do something like that. I just don't think like that. It's very creepy to me.


I've looked up plenty of quotes and old posts on here, none of whom I've hated and several of whom I consider friends. When I have relationships with people in the real world, I'll bring up things they've said in the past(shocking I'm sure) in current discusisons. Not because I hate them, but because it's relevant.

A buddy of mine played at ou and was there when the dudes from Willowridge shot up the joint. I ask him about it from time to time. Don't hate him. He played on the practice squad with Green Bay, and I ask him about some of the stories he told me about those days as well. Don't hate him.

Not sure that bringing up something someone has stated means they hate them.


Also understand questions about stalking. I think I've related an experience I had on a soccer forum and had some dude come up to me in a parking lot before a game asking if I was pied.

Weird. I try to be careful, but also try to post stuff that I don't ind being brought back up. Plenty of times I've had to say I was wrong about somehting I thought about a game or team or was simply wrong.

[Good Knight]

I don't speak about it. Haven't even brought it up in 6 years or so. Only people, who hate that I exist, bring it up. It's kinda like the "psycho fad" around here.

Thanks for respecting my privacy.

NP. Was just curious. Understand keeping anonymity.

[Longhorns12]

Sarcasm noted. All kidding aside, ask yourself, pied: what would trigger in my mind that would make me think of or hate another Poster to the point in which I dig up threads from 6, 7, or even 10 years ago... to take pop-shots at the person? Not even arguing with that person... but this guy just has a random thought to dig up old threads and take pop-shots. That's terrifying to me! There are people out there like that. I guess I just don't give that much attention towards other people (especially on a message board) that I feel the need to do something like that. I just don't think like that. It's very creepy to me.


nm

[DragonDad2015]

So the Fort Worth Star-Telegram all week has been advertising for its "Friday Night Preview" section in the newspaper. So I open it up today. Interesting read so far, until I get to this:

Tip No. 6: Get in tune

Come halftime, be sure to check out the band. You could be hearing a state champion.

At L.D. Bell games, the band is the top attraction, winning last year's UIL 5-A state championship. Other top 10 finishers included Hlatom High School and Arlington's Bowie High School.

"At our games, people come for the halftime show." said Sherrie Cyrier, president of the Bell Band Boosters. "After the show, that's when the stands clear out."

---

This really is an insult to our team and it goes on year round. All our band does is brag about how great they are and how much better they are than everyone and how they win the state championship and the football team sucks blah blah blah. It gets old, but now they have to publish their insulting remarks in the newspaper for everyone to see. I enjoy them playing at our games but thats it. The reason they exist is to support us, not to compete against us. To tell you the truth I think that our school is one of the 10 or so schools in the state who cares about how well their band does in competitions. Does a 5atexasmarchingbands.com exist?


L. D. Bell has a football team? ;) j/k

[yankee]

So the Fort Worth Star-Telegram all week has been advertising for its "Friday Night Preview" section in the newspaper. So I open it up today. Interesting read so far, until I get to this:

Tip No. 6: Get in tune

Come halftime, be sure to check out the band. You could be hearing a state champion.

At L.D. Bell games, the band is the top attraction, winning last year's UIL 5-A state championship. Other top 10 finishers included Hlatom High School and Arlington's Bowie High School.

"At our games, people come for the halftime show." said Sherrie Cyrier, president of the Bell Band Boosters. "After the show, that's when the stands clear out."

---

This really is an insult to our team and it goes on year round. All our band does is brag about how great they are and how much better they are than everyone and how they win the state championship and the football team sucks blah blah blah. It gets old, but now they have to publish their insulting remarks in the newspaper for everyone to see. I enjoy them playing at our games but thats it. The reason they exist is to support us, not to compete against us. To tell you the truth I think that our school is one of the 10 or so schools in the state who cares about how well their band does in competitions. Does a 5atexasmarchingbands.com exist?

How rude!

[pied]

This really is an insult to our team and it goes on year round. All our band does is brag about how great they are and how much better they are than everyone and how they win the state championship and the football team sucks blah blah blah. It gets old, but now they have to publish their insulting remarks in the newspaper for everyone to see. I enjoy them playing at our games but thats it. The reason they exist is to support us, not to compete against us. To tell you the truth I think that our school is one of the 10 or so schools in the state who cares about how well their band does in competitions. Does a 5atexasmarchingbands.com exist?


Not that I am aware of, but drumcorpsplanet is pretty huge:

http://www.drumcorpsplanet.com/forums/


This is one from the Bands of America site. Ironincally the most recent post is from L.D. Bell Fan:

If you want something generic, I've always wanted to see a show based on ice and lava. I would love to hear two songs from the video game Banjo Tooie on there. The Hailfire Peaks (Fire) and Hailfire Peaks (Ice). These are from a video game, but have the potential to be incredible. They don't sound like they'd be from a video game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owbVtwrO_TQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cws3qjFU94

What I imagine is the lava part focusing on the brass and the ice part focusing on the woodwinds.

At this point, I'm hardly giving you ideas, I'm mainly just putting my thoughts into text. :P


http://forums.bands.org/vb/

[chhspantherfan]

Sarcasm noted. All kidding aside, ask yourself, pied: what would trigger in my mind that would make me think of or hate another Poster to the point in which I dig up threads from 6, 7, or even 10 years ago... to take pop-shots at the person? Not even arguing with that person... but this guy just has a random thought to dig up old threads and take pop-shots. That's terrifying to me! There are people out there like that. I guess I just don't give that much attention towards other people (especially on a message board) that I feel the need to do something like that. I just don't think like that. It's very creepy to me.

If you are referring to me, then understand this. I was pulling up old threads and saw your quote. It was humorous, thus the rofl icon.

Terrifying? That's even more humorous. Creepy? Get over yourself. The only thing outweighing your ego is your paranoia.

Other than that, Happy Holidays:)

[pied]

If you are referring to me, then understand this. I was pulling up old threads and saw your quote. It was humorous, thus the rofl icon.

Terrifying? That's even more humorous. Creepy? Get over yourself. The only thing outweighing your ego is your paranoia.

Other than that, Happy Holidays:)



I think I've found my new Christmas card signature:




Get over yourself. The only thing outweighing your ego is paranoia.

Other than that, Merry Christmas!

[SWMHebron]

If you are referring to me, then understand this. I was pulling up old threads and saw your quote. It was humorous, thus the rofl icon.

Terrifying? That's even more humorous. Creepy? Get over yourself. The only thing outweighing your ego is your paranoia.

Other than that, Happy Holidays:)

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[chhspantherfan]

I think I've found my new Christmas card signature:




Get over yourself. The only thing outweighing your ego is paranoia.

Other than that, Merry Christmas!

I hope everyone is laughing, because that was the intent. I am stuck in the rust belt with a keyboard and Great Lakes Christmas Ale. ;)

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Now why in the world would I be paranoid? People trying to locate me off-site? (Off-line?) Creepy people sending me PM's? People bringing up old threads to try and take pop-shots? Nah... that's just normal protocol for people on this Board. No reason to be paranoid. What in the world was I thinking? (rhetorical)

[chhspantherfan]

Now why in the world would I be paranoid? People trying to locate me off-site? (Off-line?) Creepy people sending me PM's? People bringing up old threads to try and take pop-shots? Nah... that's just normal protocol for people on this Board. No reason to be paranoid. What in the world was I thinking? (rhetorical)

I don't know about others, but my rofl icon was not a "pop-shot". next.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I don't know about others, but my rofl icon was not a "pop-shot". next.

Then what was it? Really? Out of all the post's on this thread... a thread that died about 6-7 years ago... you choose a post that I mention "playing career" and you reply it with a rofl icon. Baffling.

[chhspantherfan]

Then what was it? Really? Out of all the post's on this thread... a thread that died about 6-7 years ago... you choose a post that I mention "playing career" and you reply it with a rofl icon. Baffling.

i was laughing at the banter with dragonsdaddy. had nothing to do with you personally. Don't see how you would have taken it any other way.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

i was laughing at the banter with dragonsdaddy. had nothing to do with you personally. Don't see how you would have taken it any other way.

If that is truly the case, I apologize. I've had recent issues with attacks by lunatics.

[chhspantherfan]

If that is truly the case, I apologize. I've had recent issues with attacks by lunatics.

That is truly the case. I have been pulling up old threads all day.

[twcpfan1]

That is truly the case. I have been pulling up old threads all day.

Can you try and search for the one about Chinese steamed buns? I really want to resurrect that one.

[Super B]

If you are referring to me, then understand this. I was pulling up old threads and saw your quote. It was humorous, thus the rofl icon.

Terrifying? That's even more humorous. Creepy? Get over yourself. The only thing outweighing your ego is your paranoia.

Other than that, Happy Holidays:)
Debatable.

[Super B]

I don't typically "dig" for old threads. Ussually, I find them because I am doing a Google search on a particular HS football topic and an old 5ATXFB thread matches the search results. So honestly, I don't think there is any ulterior motives when people resurrect old threads.

[chhspantherfan]

I don't typically "dig" for old threads. Ussually, I find them because I am doing a Google search on a particular HS football topic and an old 5ATXFB thread matches the search results. So honestly, I don't think there is any anterior motives when people resurrect old threads.

I think you mean ulterior;)

[dragonpants]

i was laughing at the banter with dragonsdaddy. had nothing to do with you personally. Don't see how you would have taken it any other way.

move along. :D

[chhspantherfan]

move along. :D

:rofl: freakin' Carroll posters:rolleyes:

[BlakeJ]

Why does this stuff always and only happen to one poster?

[SWMHebron]

Why does this stuff always and only happen to one poster?

:ninja:
It's Tony Romo's fault.

[BlakeJ]

:ninja:
It's Tony Romo's fault.

Obama told Tony Romo to find a bunch of people to drive TGO off the 5a board.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Now, here's the deal... a certain creepy Poster just joined this thread... and he did for only one single reason... ME! That Poster hates every single thing about me... and prolly even hates that I'm breathing. So I ask, "Why would someone - who hates my guts - continuously follow me around and post after me or about me or send PM's to me? WHY?!!"

Do y'all truly not see what's going on, here? You can call it paranoia, but the truth is it's f'n scary. It's creepy. Imagine someone always hounding you... and no matter how many times you tell that person to move on and quit contacting or bothering you, they do. How would y'all feel?

[BlakeJ]

Now, here's the deal... a certain creepy Poster just joined this thread... and he did for only one single reason... ME! That Poster hates every single thing about me... and prolly even hates that I'm breathing. So I ask, "Why would someone - who hates my guts - continuously follow me around and post after me or about me or send PM's to me? WHY?!!"

Do y'all truly not see what's going on, here? You can call it paranoia, but the truth is it's f'n scary. It's creepy. Imagine someone always hounding you... and no matter how many times you tell that person to move on and quit contacting or bothering you, they do. How would y'all feel?

That's some crazy stuff. Cool story BTW. If I were the victim of this serious story, I'd stop posting on the board forever. Yeah...that's what i would do. :)

[chhspantherfan]

Now, here's the deal... a certain creepy Poster just joined this thread... and he did for only one single reason... ME! That Poster hates every single thing about me... and prolly even hates that I'm breathing. So I ask, "Why would someone - who hates my guts - continuously follow me around and post after me or about me or send PM's to me? WHY?!!"

Do y'all truly not see what's going on, here? You can call it paranoia, but the truth is it's f'n scary. It's creepy. Imagine someone always hounding you... and no matter how many times you tell that person to move on and quit contacting or bothering you, they do. How would y'all feel?

he's from the Dakotas, his family tree has very few branches. There is an ignore button for him. Use it.

[chhspantherfan]

That's some crazy stuff. Cool story BTW. If I were the victim of this serious story, I'd stop posting on the board forever. Yeah...that's what i would do. :)

I thought the KTs wanted you to recruit more posters, not run 'em off;)

[BlakeJ]

Now, here's the deal... a certain creepy Poster just joined this thread... and he did for only one single reason... ME! That Poster hates every single thing about me... and prolly even hates that I'm breathing. So I ask, "Why would someone - who hates my guts - continuously follow me around and post after me or about me or send PM's to me? WHY?!!"

Do y'all truly not see what's going on, here? You can call it paranoia, but the truth is it's f'n scary. It's creepy. Imagine someone always hounding you... and no matter how many times you tell that person to move on and quit contacting or bothering you, they do. How would y'all feel?

The only thing that would make this super serious and cool story even better is if the victim in this scenario was actually constantly hounded by quit a few posters. In that scenario of this super serious and cool story, I would tell the poster being hounded that maybe he might step back and check his board persona, and wonder if the heckling and hounding may be deserved of expected.

Super serious business here.

[BlakeJ]

he's from the Dakotas, his family tree has very few branches. There is an ignore button for him. Use it.

I've told him that. I think it's he that cannot live without me. I don't hate TGO. I think he is a very intelligent fellow. He's very informative most of the time. I very much dislike the persona he has created on this board. For instance...I'm a very controversal poster on the board. I know this and expect every bit of backlash I get. It comes with the territory I guess.

And who cares what you say? You're just a bitter Heritage fan. mojo4life says so.

[BlakeJ]

I thought the KTs wanted you to recruit more posters, not run 'em off;)


Dada = recruiter I weed out the weak and filter through the strong. :D

Kidding of course. the KT's probably wouldn't have hurt feelings at all if TGO and I both left forever.

[chhspantherfan]

I've told him that. I think it's he that cannot live without me. I don't hate TGO. I think he is a very intelligent fellow. He's very informative most of the time. I very much dislike the persona he has created on this board. For instance...I'm a very controversal poster on the board. I know this and expect every bit of backlash I get. It comes with the territory I guess.

And who cares what you say? You're just a bitter Heritage fan. mojo4life says so.


AND?

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/old_guys_6.gif

[ThEgReAtOnE]

he's from the Dakotas, his family tree has very few branches. There is an ignore button for him. Use it.

I have him (and Fleeman) on ignore.

[BlakeJ]

I have him (and Fleeman) on ignore. It's just everywhere I go, see a certain creepy person posting behind me or about me. I've never obsessed over another man before, thus I don't understand what's driving him. Let me be clear, however, I'm not taking a shot at homosexuality. I'm simply stating I don't understand it. If that is, in fact, what's driving him, I just wish he'd understand I'm not interested (because I'm heterosexual) and move on.

Is this LadyTGO speaking? I need to know before I reply.

[Super B]

Now, here's the deal... a certain creepy Poster just joined this thread... and he did for only one single reason... ME! That Poster hates every single thing about me... and prolly even hates that I'm breathing. So I ask, "Why would someone - who hates my guts - continuously follow me around and post after me or about me or send PM's to me? WHY?!!"

Do y'all truly not see what's going on, here? You can call it paranoia, but the truth is it's f'n scary. It's creepy. Imagine someone always hounding you... and no matter how many times you tell that person to move on and quit contacting or bothering you, they do. How would y'all feel?
When I have had issues with posters in the past...


I reported what was truly worthy of being reported.
I PM'd the person if I thought it was just a misunderstanding.
I backed away, when outwitted.
I dominated with my words and snappy come backs when dealing with the weak.
I grew thicker skin, when in a standoff.
I apologized for my part when I was in the wrong or contributed negatively to the situation.
I ignored when nothing else would work.
Once I ignored, I made no further mention of the poster.

I have mostly taken the high road. If I decided to go the PM or reporting road, I kept it between myself and the poster in question and/or moderators. I did not mention it on the board.

Just something to think about.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

When I have had issues with posters in the past...


I reported what was truly worthy of being reported.
I PM'd the person if I thought it was just a misunderstanding.
I backed away, when outwitted.
I dominated with my words and snappy come backs when dealing with the weak.
I grew thicker skin, when in a standoff.
I apologized for my part when I was in the wrong or contributed negatively to the situation.
I ignored when nothing else would work.
Once I ignored, I made no further mention of the poster.

I have mostly taken the high road. If I decided to go the PM or reporting road, I kept it between myself and the poster in question and/or moderators. I did not mention it on the board.

Just something to think about.

- reported (CHECK)
- PM'ed the person (NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS)
- never outwitted (CHECK)
- dominated with ease w/o snappy comebacks (CHECK)
- skin is thicker than Kim Kardashian's backside (CHECK)
- no need to apologize (CHECK)
- ignored, but got even more creepy (CHECK)
- ignored, further, but got worse (CHECK)

I'll keep everything between me, the moderators, and the authorities. Thanks for the advice. It's tough dealing with people who can't take no for an answer. Seems like the story of my life!

[BlakeJ]

- reported (CHECK)
- PM'ed the person (NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS)
- never outwitted (CHECK)
- dominated with ease w/o snappy comebacks (CHECK)
- skin is thicker than Kim Kardashian's backside (CHECK)
- no need to apologize (CHECK)
- ignored, but got even more creepy (CHECK)
- ignored, further, but got worse (CHECK)

I'll keep everything between me, the moderators, and the authorities. Thanks for the advice. It's tough dealing with people who can't take no for an answer. Seems like the story of my life!

:rofl:

Half of our problem TGO is when you say things like NS < Judson and you are asked to explain. You dont like those situations. If you would stop contradicting yourself and clean it up a little, you would probably be alright. But when you are patting your own back cuz you had Hightower and Dekaney in your top 25 5 months ago but picked them to lose early in the playoffs 5 weeks ago...you're bound to catch some sh*t.

Reporting posts to the admins is one thing, but I've never found the feature to report posts to the police. This 5a board is growing quickly. :eek:

[ticketwriter]

:rofl:

Half of our problem TGO is when you say things like NS < Judson and you are asked to explain. You dont like those situations. If you would stop contradicting yourself and clean it up a little, you would probably be alright. But when you are patting your own back cuz you had Hightower and Dekaney in your top 25 5 months ago but picked them to lose early in the playoffs 5 weeks ago...you're bound to catch some sh*t.

Reporting posts to the admins is one thing, but I've never found the feature to report posts to the police. This 5a board is growing quickly. :eek:

:ninja:

[SWMHebron]

:rofl:

Half of our problem TGO is when you say things like NS < Judson and you are asked to explain. You dont like those situations. If you would stop contradicting yourself and clean it up a little, you would probably be alright. But when you are patting your own back cuz you had Hightower and Dekaney in your top 25 5 months ago but picked them to lose early in the playoffs 5 weeks ago...you're bound to catch some sh*t.

Reporting posts to the admins is one thing, but I've never found the feature to report posts to the police. This 5a board is growing quickly. :eek:

A friend had to deal with this. Her sister (my daughter's best friend) was killed in a car wreck in April. Someone then highjacked the email and Facebook accounts of the deceased sister. They were posting and sending messages as the sister, some threatening physical violence (including to my daughter). They tried to highjack friends and family email and Facebooks (including my daughters). They made threatening phone calls to some (including my daughter).

This started in May. After finally finding a police detective that was sympathetic to 2 cute girls being threatened via telephone and internet (and that took a while) it has now taken months to get the subpoenas for IP addresses and cell phone records but hopefully the police in the city of the perpetrator will soon make a move. Or not. Depends on what they have to do on any given day.

The object of this post is that the authorities don't give a flying you-know-what about some guy being called on a public board about what he has posted publicly in several venues about his life experiences or opinions on high school football.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

A friend had to deal with this. Her sister (my daughter's best friend) was killed in a car wreck in April. Someone then highjacked the email and Facebook accounts of the deceased sister. They were posting and sending messages as the sister, some threatening physical violence (including to my daughter). They tried to highjack friends and family email and Facebooks (including my daughters). They made threatening phone calls to some (including my daughter).

This started in May. After finally finding a police detective that was sympathetic to 2 cute girls being threatened via telephone and internet (and that took a while) it has now taken months to get the subpoenas for IP addresses and cell phone records but hopefully the police in the city of the perpetrator will soon make a move. Or not. Depends on what they have to do on any given day.

The object of this post is that the authorities don't give a flying you-know-what about some guy being called on a public board about what he has posted publicly in several venues about his life experiences or opinions on high school football.

Right... and wrong. They do have give a flying you-know-what about a pattern of behavior. If or when the behavior escalates or evolves into something else, there might be a catalog of certain events that led to such escalation. The authorities simply file certain behavior away for a rainy day. If you ask someone to leave you alone, online or offline, and they persist the authorities will make a note of that. They will tally all of the electronic or personal-contact information.

The object of this post is that I don't play. When I say, "Stop harassing me... I mean STOP F'N HARASSING ME!" It's not a joke!! If a person continues on (like it's some cute game), the appropriate actions are taken. I make sure certain things are on record, that way there can be no (convenient) confusion later on.

[SWMHebron]

Right... and wrong. They do have give a flying you-know-what about a pattern of behavior. If or when the behavior escalates or evolves into something else, there might be a catalog of certain events that led to such escalation. The authorities simply file certain behavior away for a rainy day. If you ask someone to leave you alone, online or offline, and they persist the authorities will make a note of that. They will tally all of the electronic or personal-contact information.

The object of this post is that I don't play. When I say, "Stop harassing me... I mean STOP F'N HARASSING ME!" It's not a joke!! If a person continues on (like it's some cute game), the appropriate actions are taken. I make sure certain things are on record, that way there can be no (convenient) confusion later on.

Have you had emails or texts threatening physical violence? Has your identity on Facebook, Twitter or other social media been highjacked, or attempted? Has your email been compromised?

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Have you had emails or texts threatening physical violence? Has your identity on Facebook, Twitter or other social media been highjacked, or attempted? Has your email been compromised?

Not at liberty to go into details. The people involved know exactly what they've done (or doing). It's been cataloged (or is being cataloged).

[BDB]

just passin through...

[SWMHebron]

just passin through...

What's up? Haven't seen you in a while.

[BDB]

What's up? Haven't seen you in a while.

nothin much. just posting my entire life online and then freaking out when people make the correlation. you? watchin the game?

[SWMHebron]

nothin much. just posting my entire life online and then freaking out when people make the correlation. you? watchin the game?

I am. Players from Hebron and Flower Mound involved. There is a discussion on the college board but for some reason it's come to a standstill.

[BDB]

I am. Players from Hebron and Flower Mound involved. There is a discussion on the college board but for some reason it's come to a standstill.

i saw that. it's like someone just hit the killswitch on a 2000 honda civic.

[SWMHebron]

i saw that. it's like the someone just hit the killswitch on a 2000 honda civic.

My daughter had a 2005 Civic. Great car till someone turned in front of her and it got totaled.:(

[BDB]

My daughter had a 2005 Civic. Great car till someone turned in front of her and it got totaled.:(

yea some drivers drive like great lineman pancake guys.

[SWMHebron]

yea some drivers drive like great lineman pancake guys.

For what school? I've heard lots about TVCC lineman and pancakes. Not sure what it all means.

[BDB]

For what school? I've heard lots about TVCC lineman and pancakes. Not sure what it all means.

i used to think it was ou lineman. then i thought aggy. maybe unt.

[SWMHebron]

i used to think it was ou lineman. then i thought aggy. maybe unt.

Guess I was confused. :rolleyes:

Does The University of Phoenix have a football team? Maybe I was thinking of them.

[BDB]

Guess I was confused. :rolleyes:

Does The University of Phoenix have a football team? Maybe I was thinking of them.

http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/8/22/17/a-winrar-is-you-29237-1282513582-30.jpg

winner.

[Longhorns12]

A friend had to deal with this. Her sister (my daughter's best friend) was killed in a car wreck in April. Someone then highjacked the email and Facebook accounts of the deceased sister. They were posting and sending messages as the sister, some threatening physical violence (including to my daughter). They tried to highjack friends and family email and Facebooks (including my daughters). They made threatening phone calls to some (including my daughter).

This started in May. After finally finding a police detective that was sympathetic to 2 cute girls being threatened via telephone and internet (and that took a while) it has now taken months to get the subpoenas for IP addresses and cell phone records but hopefully the police in the city of the perpetrator will soon make a move. Or not. Depends on what they have to do on any given day.

The object of this post is that the authorities don't give a flying you-know-what about some guy being called on a public board about what he has posted publicly in several venues about his life experiences or opinions on high school football.


That is just sick and wrong in so many ways.

Hope they find who was doing this.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

That is just sick and wrong in so many ways.

Hope they find who was doing this.

Really is sick. I just don't understand how some people take social networking so serious. Online interaction can be VERY scary. Ugh!

[dragonpants]

:ninja:

[trojanbacker]

Bell has a great band program. No doubt about it. But, the whole "the stadium empties out after halftime" myth gets old. As a veteran of every Trinity vs. Bell game for the past 20 years or so, I can say that the stands remain pretty full (or whatever attendance level they were pre-halftime) after halftime. I'm sure that some band parents leave after the show, but the numbers of those leaving the game probably is more attributable to the score of the game the last several years, not the band parents.

The only time I've seen the stadium empty out after halftime was this year when lightening emptied the place for a couple of hours.

[drgnbkr]

Bell has a great band program. No doubt about it. But, the whole "the stadium empties out after halftime" myth gets old. As a veteran of every Trinity vs. Bell game for the past 20 years or so, I can say that the stands remain pretty full (or whatever attendance level they were pre-halftime) after halftime. I'm sure that some band parents leave after the show, but the numbers of those leaving the game probably is more attributable to the score of the game the last several years, not the band parents.

The only time I've seen the stadium empty out after halftime was this year when lightening emptied the place for a couple of hours.

I say good riddance!:p I love the participation by the students but if parents want to leave after half time, don't let the door hit ya in the a$$.

[trojanbacker]

I say good riddance!:p I love the participation by the students but if parents want to leave after half time, don't let the door hit ya in the a$$.

I agree. I just wanted to post that for accuracy sake. The "stadium empties out after halftime" story is like the Goat Man of Lake Worth story. It's been around forever but no one has actually seen it.

And, we don't have doors at Pennington any more. They got blown off about a month ago by Arlington Martin. ;)

[drgnbkr]

:yes:

[mojotrain]

I don't know, It's promoted as a friday night football games between two football teams. 1,000 to 20,000 people will show up show up. The bands are a part of the program. I'd suggest, in order to validate which is the more popular between football and the band, the bands offer a concert w/marching at a football field near by at the same time the football game is being played. Count the tickets sold at each. If more people pay to see the bands I'd put skids under the schools AD and coachs.

[Longhorns12]

I agree. I just wanted to post that for accuracy sake. The "stadium empties out after halftime" story is like the Goat Man of Lake Worth story. It's been around forever but no one has actually seen it.

And, we don't have doors at Pennington any more. They got blown off about a month ago by Arlington Martin. ;)


Thats my old stomping grounds. How do you know nobody has seen it? ;)

[trojanbacker]

Thats my old stomping grounds. How do you know nobody has seen it? ;)


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[Warbird87]

Comin in to this discussion late as I haven't been on the site in a few days......but I want to put my 2 cents in on the subject.

Here's where I am coming from on this topic......back in my HS days I was an athlete. I never payed much attention to the band. I appreciated the band at pep rallies and such but I never saw a halftime show cause I was in the fieldhouse with the team at halftime.
After graduation when I went to some of the HS football games halftime was for going to the restroom and the concession stand and stretching the legs a bit before the second half started.

Now as the parent of a senior band member my opinion on the band has changed dramatically. I had no idea of the commitment required of these kids. They are out there practicing 2-3 weeks before school starts just like the football team. During marching season.....aka football season.....they spend hours after school practicing just like the football team. The band members load and unload all the equipment before and after every game and off-campus marching event. Needless to say I have much more respect for those kids and their parents now.

Band gives kids the opportunity to learn a musical instrument and be part of a "team". It also provides the opportunity for scholarships to colleges. Band provides alot of kids the opportunity to participate in an extracurricular activity.

I still go to the games mainly for the football but I stay seated and enjoy the bands at halftime now.

[chhspantherfan]

Comin in to this discussion late as I haven't been on the site in a few days......but I want to put my 2 cents in on the subject.

Here's where I am coming from on this topic......back in my HS days I was an athlete. I never payed much attention to the band. I appreciated the band at pep rallies and such but I never saw a halftime show cause I was in the fieldhouse with the team at halftime.
After graduation when I went to some of the HS football games halftime was for going to the restroom and the concession stand and stretching the legs a bit before the second half started.

Now as the parent of a senior band member my opinion on the band has changed dramatically. I had no idea of the commitment required of these kids. They are out there practicing 2-3 weeks before school starts just like the football team. During marching season.....aka football season.....they spend hours after school practicing just like the football team. The band members load and unload all the equipment before and after every game and off-campus marching event. Needless to say I have much more respect for those kids and their parents now.

Band gives kids the opportunity to learn a musical instrument and be part of a "team". It also provides the opportunity for scholarships to colleges. Band provides alot of kids the opportunity to participate in an extracurricular activity.

I still go to the games mainly for the football but I stay seated and enjoy the bands at halftime now.

you could have shown up three years ago and have still been late;)