Permian 3rd round playoff info***

[odessapermian.com]

***If we take care of business this Saturday of course-

If we advance to the 3rd round, no matter which team we face (Trinity or SLC), we will play in Jones Stadium, Lubbock, 1PM Saturday December 2nd.

[farmerfan]

thanks for the heads up and best of luck to mojo. outside of Plano, metroplex teams have a horrible history of playing Permian out West.

[BeauxGeezy]

***If we take care of business this Saturday of course-

If we advance to the 3rd round, no matter which team we face (Trinity or SLC), we will play in Jones Stadium, Lubbock, 1PM Saturday December 2nd.


There are two "if"'s in that post. Where is your confidence brotha'??

[Sakatha]

Someone explain to me the logic in not playing in Abilene...

If it was a home/home toss, why the hell not just pick Odessa if you're gonna make ET/SLC drive that far... Good lord, that's ********...

~DnM

[toddg]

it gets cooooold in lubbock..

[Firebird]

West Texas teams have a long, proud history of making teams from the east travel waaaaay up to Lubbock.

[farmerfan]

Someone explain to me the logic in not playing in Abilene...

If it was a home/home toss, why the hell not just pick Odessa if you're gonna make ET/SLC drive that far... Good lord, that's ********...

~DnM


Because Im sure they put up Odessa but Dodge informed him by putting up Ratliff he would not put up Tx Stadium but put up Dragon stadium.
Im sure there is a motive behind Coach Allmans madness. Permian has played many playoff games in Lubbock before.

[odessapermian.com]

Someone explain to me the logic in not playing in Abilene...

If it was a home/home toss, why the hell not just pick Odessa if you're gonna make ET/SLC drive that far... Good lord, that's ********...

~DnM

Word is both the SLC and Trinity coaches agreed to use Texas Stadium as their home only if we agreed to somewhere other than Ratliff as our home. I presume Grande in Midland was already booked, pending the outcome of the Midland teams' games. So we chose Lubbock's Jones Stadium as our home venue.

[toddg]

Word is both the SLC and Trinity coaches agreed to use Texas Stadium as their home only if we agreed to somewhere other than Ratliff as our home. I presume Grande in Midland was already booked, pending the outcome of the Midland teams' games. So we chose Lubbock's Jones Stadium as our home venue.

in other words ET/SLC would have to drive 6 hours regardless, the north winds beckon...

[mojoman21]

i hear we might have snow in the forcast for that saturday.:D

[Shoot2thrill]

West Texas teams have a long, proud history of making teams from the east travel waaaaay up to Lubbock.

Seems to me that SLC had a rather close game against L. Monterrey the last time they visited Lubbock. I am not sure if that was at Jones or Lowery that Saturday. Jones is one nice venue though. :cool:

[Mojo89]

The long term forecast calls for an arctic front coming in.

I do think we need to take care of Central first.

[SLC fan]

The long term forecast calls for an arctic front coming in.

I do think we need to take care of Central first.

Then you better hope that SLC beats Trinity, because bad weather definitely would favor Trinity over Permian.

[DrEdward]

***If we take care of business this Saturday of course-

If we advance to the 3rd round, no matter which team we face (Trinity or SLC), we will play in Jones Stadium, Lubbock, 1PM Saturday December 2nd.

I concur with the location, assuming the game takes place. Are you sure about the time?

This will HOPEFULLY be two firsts for Carroll:

1) Playing in Jones Stadium
2) Playing Mojo. Now that will truly be cool - Permian vs Carroll. Two Texas dynasties meeting each other.

Hope we get to see this game.

[LoneRocket]

I concur with the location, assuming the game takes place. Are you sure about the time?

This will HOPEFULLY be two firsts for Carroll:

1) Playing in Jones Stadium
2) Playing Mojo. Now that will truly be cool - Permian vs Carroll. Two Texas dynasties meeting each other.

Hope we get to see this game.
Playing Mojo is cool, I am not going to spoil it for you. It was amazing.

[LoneRocket]

Word is both the SLC and Trinity coaches agreed to use Texas Stadium as their home only if we agreed to somewhere other than Ratliff as our home. I presume Grande in Midland was already booked, pending the outcome of the Midland teams' games. So we chose Lubbock's Jones Stadium as our home venue.
How many stripes on the Zebras? :D Seriously negotiations the details for an upcoming game is interesting.

[Favpack]

Call it nonsense - or gamesmanship. Abilene was the logical choice - but who wants logic when you can get under the other team's skin.

[youtellatale]

Call it nonsense - or gamesmanship. Abilene was the logical choice - but who wants logic when you can get under the other team's skin.
They didnt want a neutral site, the Lubbock stadium was permian's "home" choice for a field just like texas stadium was slc and trinity's "home" field choice. Logically yes Abilene's Shotwell stadium wouldve been a midway point for the teams, but Permian was smart in choosing home and home because either way they'll be a huge underdog so why not try to get those metroplex teams to come out west and play. Not so easy when travelling for 6 hours on a bus to get out and play when its 20 degrees outside, should be interesting.

[SanAngeloBobcat]

We'll volunteer to play Carroll or Trinity in Abilene!! We would be so thrilled to be back in the 3rd round again, we'd probably even pull a 2005 Abilene High move and AGREE to come to Texas Stadium:D

Y'all should be BIG Bobcats fans this Saturday so you won't have to drive to Lubbock to play Permian!

[farmerfan]

They didnt want a neutral site, the Lubbock stadium was permian's "home" choice for a field just like texas stadium was slc and trinity's "home" field choice. Logically yes Abilene's Shotwell stadium wouldve been a midway point for the teams, but Permian was smart in choosing home and home because either way they'll be a huge underdog so why not try to get those metroplex teams to come out west and play. Not so easy when travelling for 6 hours on a bus to get out and play when its 20 degrees outside, should be interesting.


Actually Texas Stadium was not the home choice for Coach Dodge or Lineweaver. I know from recent history that if Coach Dodge is playing a West Texas team with a large enough stadium to put up as its home field then he will counter with putting up his home stadium. Last year Coach Warren from Abilene assumed that Dodge would put up Texas Stadium as its "home" choice. When he found out Dodge said if you put up Shotwell then I am putting up Dragon stadium in Southlake is when they agreed to meet in Waco. The same wiht Permian. Permian most likely assumed that Texas Stadium would be put up as the home choice for Trinity or Southlake but that was not the case. I think it is very smart on Lineweavers and Dodges part to do this.

[Eaglewatcher]

It may be "smart", but is a disservice to the fans of both schools who want to go see their teams in the playoffs. Dragon stadium is way too small for a playoff venue.

[farmerfan]

It may be "smart", but is a disservice to the fans of both schools who want to go see their teams in the playoffs. Dragon stadium is way too small for a playoff venue.


As much as we wish it was about the fans, it isn't. Its about the kids and doing what is best to give your kids the best opportunity to win. For Permian if they couldnt have had Ratliff the next best thing would be Midland. Since Midland may be booked then take it up to Lubbock which is not a bad drive for their fans at all.
Dragon stadium may be to small for a venue but why should Dodge or Lineweaver not give their kids a opportunity to play at home of their opponent is putting up their home stadium?

[BigRing5311]

Actually after the UIL approved the "Highland Park" Rule I don't know if Ratliff or Dragon Stadium could have been put up because neither stadium would facilitate the expectant attendance.

[DrEdward]

By the way, subject to check, I think that such a game would be a 6 PM start rather than a 1 pm kickoff.

[MOJOBELIEVER]

Actually after the UIL approved the "Highland Park" Rule I don't know if Ratliff or Dragon Stadium could have been put up because neither stadium would facilitate the expectant attendance.

Ratliff would accomodate.

[MOJOBELIEVER]

By the way, subject to check, I think that such a game would be a 6 PM start rather than a 1 pm kickoff.

The game is at 1:00PM, Saturday, December 2nd at Jones Stadium in Lubbock

[youtellatale]

We'll volunteer to play Carroll or Trinity in Abilene!! We would be so thrilled to be back in the 3rd round again, we'd probably even pull a 2005 Abilene High move and AGREE to come to Texas Stadium:D

Y'all should be BIG Bobcats fans this Saturday so you won't have to drive to Lubbock to play Permian!
2004 AHS team played SLC in texas stadium, 2005 ahs team played in waco (horrible)

[youtellatale]

Ratliff would accomodate.

Yes, i think ratliff might accomodate, but the attendance might surprise you, it could be more than 30k, which Ratliff cannot hold. It would really depend on SLC or ET's travelling party. A College or Professional Stadium is the best choice I think.

[farmerfan]

Yes, i think ratliff might accomodate, but the attendance might surprise you, it could be more than 30k, which Ratliff cannot hold. It would really depend on SLC or ET's travelling party. A College or Professional Stadium is the best choice I think.


SLC and Trinity both travel well but I doubt it would draw 30,000. When Plano went out to Odessa in 87 and 94 they did not sell out there side of the stadium and allowed the Permian fans to fill it up to make for the sell out. I think much would be the same with Carroll and Trinity. One needsto look no further than last years semis with Carroll as they did not send as many as we all thought out to SFA.

[Mojo89]

Don't forget, it may be very cold, which might hurt attendance #'s. "Neutral" fans might stay away!

[abbimaci]

SLC travels huge, unless they have to go outside the metroplex. See LP-SLC 2005.

[ScottS]

Lubbock? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I'll be there, but I don't like it.

[mojotrain]

in other words ET/SLC would have to drive 6 hours regardless, the north winds beckon...

It's only 2 hours at 160 miles per hour.:)

[ScottS]

Aren't some of the speed limits in west Texas now 80? Maybe its on the way from the Metroplex to Lubbock?

[farmerfan]

Aren't some of the speed limits in west Texas now 80? Maybe its on the way from the Metroplex to Lubbock?


Once you get through Odessa and I believe going towards Monahanns, the speed limit hits 80. Stays that way pretty much to El Paso too.

[mojotrain]

Permian has had less than sterling success at Shotwell even when we were very good. Lubbock is nearer to us. A large number of x Permian KIds play Guns Up there every other Saturday. We will travel as many fans to there as we would here. Plus we may get a chance to see Bobby Knight.

It's all about location, location, location.

P. S. Some of your children may want to see Tech.

[dragons08]

Permian has had less than sterling success at Shotwell even when we were very good. Lubbock is nearer to us. A large number of x Permian KIds play Guns Up there every other Saturday. We will travel as many fans to there as we would here. Plus we may get a chance to see Bobby Knight.

It's all about location, location, location.

P. S. Some of your children may want to see Tech.
thats what i was thinking, would this scenario playout, maybe miss school friday, head up early, take a college visit..wouldnt be bad

[farmerfan]

I have two great friends finishing up school at Tech. If Permian wins this week I may have to road trip out there next friday regardless who they play. Havent see the Mojo since the 98 playoff game against Duncanville.

[farmerfan]

thats what i was thinking, would this scenario playout, maybe miss school friday, head up early, take a college visit..wouldnt be bad


you're a confident little dragon arent ya. ;)

[mojotrain]

Aren't some of the speed limits in west Texas now 80? Maybe its on the way from the Metroplex to Lubbock?

Naw, thats I-ya 10 the way we get to San Antonio. But you can get away with driving around 90 without any problems from the plex to the plains. The do right guys are fairly liberal on I-ya- 20.:p

[stevefoxsc]

shouldn't take that long from my location temple i can get to east texas in 1hr 30 mins assuming i don't get caught behind a school bus in the country and going out west about 2.45 lil more just depends on driving vehicle mpg stops and all

[mojotrain]

I have two great friends finishing up school at Tech. If Permian wins this week I may have to road trip out there next friday regardless who they play. Havent see the Mojo since the 98 playoff game against Duncanville.

There should be plenty of room on our side (If we beat Angelo) I expect only 500 to 600. So come help us.:)

[mojotrain]

Then you better hope that SLC beats Trinity, because bad weather definitely would favor Trinity over Permian.

Neither seems like much of a reward for our kids.:(

[farmerfan]

There should be plenty of room on our side (If we beat Angelo) I expect only 500 to 600. So come help us.:)

You guys scare me. Goes back to 92, was in 4th grade when we went out to Ratliff to play yall. We had about 3.5 sections full, a decent showing on our part and yall filled the rest of the seats. Being surrounded by your band and your fans yelling mojo wearing all black can be a intimidating sight for a 11 year old ;)

That said, like many in this state Permian has a special place in my heart. I have seen yall beat us 28-0 and 37-0 and always came away impressed with your team and fans. I was sad for yall when Duncanville beat ya in 98 too. I hope yall beat San Angelo this week. Things are great in Texas when Permian can go on a deep playoff run.

[mojotrain]

Actually after the UIL approved the "Highland Park" Rule I don't know if Ratliff or Dragon Stadium could have been put up because neither stadium would facilitate the expectant attendance.

Ratliff, 19,000 in seat's another 3,000 on a grassy knol in one end zone. How many would you bring for goodness sakes? We have had that many for district games with Mitlan Lee and The Other High School.

[dragons08]

you're a confident little dragon arent ya. ;)
hence the "would this scenario playout", basically meaning if permian takes care of buisness ;)

[farmerfan]

hence the "would this scenario playout", basically meaning if permian takes care of buisness ;)


ha
i guess having a full understanding of that post would have helped me. forgive me for inability to understand such simple phrase. im just a stupid farmer. ;)

[mojotrain]

SLC travels huge, unless they have to go outside the metroplex. See LP-SLC 2005.

And going out side the metroplex is the topic. Not now, but in the 70's and 80's Permian took 10,000 to 12,000 to Texas Stadium.

[warbird00]

SLC and Trinity both travel well but I doubt it would draw 30,000. When Plano went out to Odessa in 87 and 94 they did not sell out there side of the stadium and allowed the Permian fans to fill it up to make for the sell out. I think much would be the same with Carroll and Trinity. One needsto look no further than last years semis with Carroll as they did not send as many as we all thought out to SFA.

That is exactly what would happen. Carroll or Trinity would find themselves surronded completely at Ratliff.

[mojotrain]

hence the "would this scenario playout", basically meaning if permian takes care of buisness ;)

Yes, thats true and to me at least, not a lock. Probable, but not a lock. This season and through the game last saturday its been chicken one quarter but feathers the next.

[LP-79]

Permian wishes ET wins!:D Hard to beat a team twice in one year. Just a fact.

[jdlewallen]

Permian wishes ET wins!:D Hard to beat a team twice in one year. Just a fact.

Yeah, but I don't know...at least SLC's players are only human-sized!!! :p

Seriously, though, it will be gut-check time with either team, though I am thinking SLC's pass-happy attack and normal-sized players might be somewhat more vulnerable to our D, especially if we do have some inclement weather also working with us, though it has a negative impact on our passing game as well....

Either way, it's a bit of picking your poisons....neither is real appealing to choose from, but it should be a helluva game either way!!

[ScottS]

Weather for Lubbock on 11/30 (2 days prior to the game), which is as far as the Weather Channel's site will forcast...

Sunny and 57° high/31° low

[Shoot2thrill]

Once you get through Odessa and I believe going towards Monahanns, the speed limit hits 80. Stays that way pretty much to El Paso too.

Actually the 80 starts at Pecos and runs to somewhere between El Paso and Van Horn. I drive it enough to know. ;)

[odessapermian.com]

Actually the 80 starts at Pecos and runs to somewhere between El Paso and Van Horn. I drive it enough to know. ;)

Now it starts at the Ward County line, between Penwell and Monahans.

[SanAngeloBobcat]

If San Angelo wins Saturday, they will play Carroll or Trinity in Abilene on Saturday, December 2,time TBD.

[Mojo89]

Weather for Lubbock on 11/30 (2 days prior to the game), which is as far as the Weather Channel's site will forcast...

Sunny and 57° high/31° low


I lived in west texas for 30 years and can't tell you how many times it would be in the 70's one day and 20's for highs with snow the next. Far too soon to be checking the weather.

[Favpack]

Can we assume Mojo is not looking past SA Central?

[mojotrain]

Can we assume Mojo is not looking past SA Central?

Gosh fav, we don't play, we post. I'm sure our children have their crosshairs on San Angelo. A lot of statewide folks have been looking at a ET SLC matchup since last December. No difference, I suppose.

[mojo61]

SLC's the kind of team that can look ahead--we can't; we've got to focus on SAC 1st. Like Mojotrain stated, we look great 1 qtr. & the next qtr., it looks like the boys' 1st yr. in fb. I'm sure we could make SLC work hard for a win, though, if we could play good fb for 4 qtrs. in one game--the boys & coaches are workin' on it.

Yeah, that game could draw 30k in Lub. If this matchup happens, it would be great for us--we would love to play a great fb prog. like SLC even if we don't have much chance of winning.

[mojotrain]

You guys scare me. Goes back to 92, was in 4th grade when we went out to Ratliff to play yall. We had about 3.5 sections full, a decent showing on our part and yall filled the rest of the seats. Being surrounded by your band and your fans yelling mojo wearing all black can be a intimidating sight for a 11 year old ;)

That said, like many in this state Permian has a special place in my heart. I have seen yall beat us 28-0 and 37-0 and always came away impressed with your team and fans. I was sad for yall when Duncanville beat ya in 98 too. I hope yall beat San Angelo this week. Things are great in Texas when Permian can go on a deep playoff run.

farmerfan, I'm just pushing feet, We will have a repesentive group at Jones if we beat the bob cats.

[BigFoot]

If San Angelo wins Saturday, they will play Carroll or Trinity in Abilene on Saturday, December 2,time TBD.
Thanks was wondering about the option.

[ScottS]

Are any of the game times set in stone? It looked like there was a question to whether the game in Lubbock would be at 1 or at 6 and then the Abilene time was TBA. Should we win tomorrow I was hoping to set my travel plans. Thanks in advance.

[BigRing5311]

Heard game was set for 6:30 PM Saturday @ "The Jones"

[MOJOBELIEVER]

I'm not sure where these times are getting screwed up, but IF PERMIAN plays 4 quarters of MOJO football and can beat San Angelo, they will play the winner of the SLC/Trinity at 1:00 PM Saturday, Dec.2nd at Jones Stadium in Lubbock.

This game is not being played at 6:00 pm

[ScottS]

Anyway we can get it changed? I need it to be an evening game in Lubbock.

[Shoot2thrill]

Anyway we can get it changed? I need it to be an evening game in Lubbock.

I am sure that they will change it just for you. ;)

[HebronHawk]

Why doesn't Odessa Permian want to come play in the home of the Cowboys, Texas Stadium?

[toddg]

Why doesn't Odessa Permian want to come play in the home of the Cowboys, Texas Stadium?

2 hour drive as opposed to 6 hour drive.. and its the home of the TEXAS TECH REDRAIDERS, and the north winds are lovely this time of year...

[mojotrain]

Why doesn't Odessa Permian want to come play in the home of the Cowboys, Texas Stadium?

Oh! we are scared to death. Of course.

[odessapermian.com]

Why doesn't Odessa Permian want to come play in the home of the Cowboys, Texas Stadium?

Because it smells like a dirty restroom and the concessions are outrageously expensive? :D

[mojotrain]

Why doesn't Odessa Permian want to come play in the home of the Cowboys, Texas Stadium?

Too much crime! Heck, the Cowboys don't even like it.

[Shoot2thrill]

Because it smells like a dirty restroom and the concessions are outrageously expensive? :D

LOL.Correct on both counts. :)

[cougardude]

Why doesn't Odessa Permian want to come play in the home of the Cowboys, Texas Stadium?


Why should SLC get to play so many of their playoff games at Texas Stadium? They should get to travel like everyone else once in a while! ;)

[drgnbkr]

Why should SLC get to play so many of their playoff games at Texas Stadium? They should get to travel like everyone else once in a while! ;)

We had fun at Shotwell in 02!

[dragons08]

so mojo won?

[yankee]

so mojo won?
woo hoo! i'll take jones over shotwell any day!

[dragons08]

woo hoo! i'll take jones over shotwell any day!
oh boy, 4 more hours (of driving) im stuck with you ;)

[JoeC]

Man, what a storyline: "MOJO Resurrected against SLC!?!" :eek:

[protect-the-tradition]

Man, what a storyline: "MOJO Resurrected against SLC!?!" :eek:
DON'T GET CRAZY I REMEMBER BACK IN THE LATE 70'S WHEN MOJO CAME TO WICHITA FALLS AND IT WAS >>>>MOJO-- HAHA<<<<< :D

[ScottS]

oh boy, 4 more hours (of driving) im stuck with you ;)

Fly. Gas is $60 or $70, flying is $100 and you save all that driving.

[mojotrain]

so mojo won?
No, but as you expected to beat ET, We expect we will beat S A.

[SA Football Fan]

Is the Permian-SA Central game available on the internet? If so, where?

[Mojo84]

Not any longer.

Permian won.

[mojotrain]

Can we assume Mojo is not looking past SA Central?
Well?

[BlackAttack]

Can we assume Mojo is not looking past SA Central?

Is Lufkin looking past anyone? If they are, all they see is big orange orbs.

Good thing Abilene won so favpack the frontrunner can jump on their bandwagon fulltime. LOL

[DrEdward]

Southlake: Carroll vs Odessa: Permian next Saturday, 2:00pm Texas Tech, Lubbock, Texas. How cool is this? Twelve state championship on the field together!!

[dragons08]

Fly. Gas is $60 or $70, flying is $100 and you save all that driving.
well, im pretty sure the school isnt going to pay for the band to fly there...

the band will be A LOT smaller next week though

All-Region, SAT for many next weekend

well, i'll be there! :D