Greg McElroy

[RidgePride]

Anyone Else think that McElroy looked like Chris Simms? -
(When He was at Texas) Not in a good Way either.

[WestTXRebel]

McElroy is a good QB.

Riley Dodge - the potential of this kid is downright scary.

WestTXRebel

[zippy]

I would hope not. I cant stand Simms..



Anyone Else think that McElroy looked like Chris Simms? -
(When He was at Texas) Not in a good Way either.

[Texasfrog]

I would hope not. I cant stand Simms..

Ya, I was at the Texas vs Colorado Big-12 Championship in Texas Stadium when Chrissy Simms decided he would single handily give the game to Colorado.

Man I wanted to (Deleted) !!!!

[XSVRanger]

How did Mcelroy look? Are you saying he's a choker?

[dentonRYAN]

McElroy looked pretty good yesterday....will get better as the year goes on and he gets to play the full game.... but im more impressed with the OL and 4-5 great recievers than McElroy.....

[southlake thug]

Why is everyone so quick to judge? This was his first ever start and by far the most action he has seen at a competitive level. I don't know to many QB's that can have over 300 yds, 2 td's, and a win in there first ever extended varsity playing time.

Most of the people on this site don't care what the subject is, they just want to bash Carroll. If you are going to criticize, at least know what you are talking about.

[Texasfrog]

Why is everyone so quick to judge? This was his first ever start and by far the most action he has seen at a competitive level. I don't know to many QB's that can have over 300 yds, 2 td's, and a win in there first ever extended varsity playing time.

Most of the people on this site don't care what the subject is, they just want to bash Carroll. If you are going to criticize, at least know what you are talking about.

I've stated it about a 1,000 times. There seems to be alot of SLC haters for some reason. Their just using Greg McElroy as a target because they hate SLC.

So, if the kid doesnt play like John Elway or Dan Marino. Well, their firing those shots. Ya, know.

PS. I just looked at the stats. I know sometimes stats are misleading but ?

Greg McElroy ( 20-33 -325 yd- 3tds). ?? That boy can be my QB anyday.

[Reaganrattler07]

Doubting champions happens a lot.....every little addition or mistake they do gets blown out of proportion.

[RAB-07]

Personally, I think if McElroy would just throw the ball more often and not try to run it so much (didn't get very far when he ran) then he would've looked a lot better. His numbers were there, but it was a sloppy first quarter overall for the offensive.

[implacable44]

southlake thug -" Why is everyone so quick to judge? This was his first ever start and by far the most action he has seen at a competitive level. I don't know to many QB's that can have over 300 yds, 2 td's, and a win in there first ever extended varsity playing time. "

Are you serious ? you are making excuses - you guys brought this on yourselves with all that talk about Mcelroy being the reincarnate --peyton manning etc.. - you esepecially were the one - talking about his underwear I believe. -- I like how you post his stats against a mediocre team too = you post yards - attemps - completions and touchdowns - oh wait it seems you forgot to post fumbles - and interceptions. DISTORTION

[southlake thug]

Yeah it was really sloppy first quarter.

But becasue of his inexperience he may sometimes run when he feels pressured. Just give him time and he will mature into the player that he is.

[implacable44]

im just saying you guys brought this criticism on yourslelves so you should have expected it.

[BAMF cowboy]

Yeah we brought the hype as did the media. But last time I checked a season is 10 games long...usually 16 for SLC. Big Mac started slow, driving down to the one yardline twice just to turn the ball over. However once he got settled he looked like he had been doing it for years. The only thing I noticed was his hesitance to throw the ball, as if second guessing his decision, but I saw less of it as the game went on. I have no doubts about Greg's talent, this kid IS for real. As for 2 INTs, when you're throwing the ball 40+ times a game, I'll take those two INTs if I'm getting 3 TDs and a 20 pt victory with it.

[implacable44]

it doesnt look like you guys took them because everytime i see someone post his stats they leave off the int's and the fumble. I will say it again - RILEY IS BY FAR THE BETTER QB

[RidgePride]

Well he did not throw the deep ball very well. He under threw several receivers. Sometimes his receiver would be so far ahead that the completion would still be made.

Chris Simms put up great numbers too on occasion because the players around him were so good.

by the way, I do not hate SLC -

His mechanics, body Type, and Hype reminded me of Chris Simms.

[zippy]

There is a lot of football to be played, and if Riley is the choice, I think they will go with him, we will just have to wait and see. Even with the fumbles, int's, and a weak secondary on Lee's part, those numbers still look good. He also did not play the whole game. Makes them look even better. Did he live up to the hype in the game? No. Will he this season? Possible.


it doesnt look like you guys took them because everytime i see someone post his stats they leave off the int's and the fumble. I will say it again - RILEY IS BY FAR THE BETTER QB

[southlake thug]

Even with one "fumble" which was very questionable and 2 int. , he still played a very good game. But what is even more impressive is the fact that he did't practice all week and was questionable for the game. Earlier in the week he was not expected to play becasue of a shoulder injury. And the temperature was also close to 120 degrees on the field.

[Reaganrattler07]

People are forgetting that this is just the first game in a very long season...players are just getting back into the groove of playing.

[southlake thug]

Yeah.. It seems like Redskins08 is one of the only "non-Dragon" fans that understand.

[pack98]

all I can say is that they WON they game who cares how,what,when,were and why they WON and are 1-0 AND THE DEFENDING NATIONAL CHAMPS.

GO LUFKIN PANTHERS GET IKE

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah.. It seems like Redskins88 is one of the only "non-Dragon" fans that understand.

This is his first time leading the team isn't it? And it's the first game of the season, and plus they're State champions so he has the burden of repeating SLC's success....now, if he keeps repeating those stats by like Week 7 then sure, they should change quarterbacks....but don't doubt him with just the first game of the season. If I did, I would've given up on Reagan last week and I would've given up on the Skins a while back as well...

[zippy]

I understand, and I am as far away from a Dragon fan as you can get! :)

Yeah.. It seems like Redskins08 is one of the only "non-Dragon" fans that understand.

[Reaganrattler07]

He said "one of the only" so you were probably included.....man Zippy, you are so much different than the other SV fans....

[bhs06]

People hate the Dragons for the same reason people hate the Yankees/Red Sox in baseball:

They are good, have a deep pool of talented, and most of all RICH

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah, Rich schools get a lot of heat because of their affluence.......

[zippy]

I dont hate the Dragons, and I am glad they are a Texas team doing so well. You just will not catch me wearing a jersey. They are a huge rival to my school is all..



People hate the Dragons for the same reason people hate the Yankees/Red Sox in baseball:

They are good, have a deep pool of talented, and most of all RICH

[Reaganrattler07]

I dont hate the Dragons, and I am glad they are a Texas team doing so well. You just will not catch me wearing a jersey. They are a huge rival to my school is all..

I wish a lot of other fans are like you, zippy. Your very classy.

[zippy]

Most fans are classy, they might just get carried away from time to time is all. I dont kiss butt, but I dont hate on other teams either. You just have to know where the line is and not cross it. We have to remember, they are kids, and it is just a game. Most of the time the ones that get crazy are current students at the schools, and they are going to talk trash, and not rationalize the situation.



I wish a lot of other fans are like you, zippy. Your very classy.

[Dragon 97]

It's really hard to judge how well the O will do. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE D.
The takeaway and the hit after the kick were incredible. They came to play.

[Reaganrattler07]

Most fans are classy, they might just get carried away from time to time is all. I dont kiss butt, but I dont hate on other teams either. You just have to know where the line is and not cross it. We have to remember, they are kids, and it is just a game. Most of the time the ones that get crazy are current students at the schools, and they are going to talk trash, and not rationalize the situation.

Being a Reagan student, I try to be realistic as well as bias to my school. But unfortunately some adults get a little too carried away with High School sports. And like you said, they need to realize that these are just kids and they are expected to make mistakes from time to time. Now, if it were pro, then it'd be somewhat ok to call out their mistakes as their getting paid millions to play a kid sport.

[drgnbkr]

This is hilarious...we trounce Lee, our new QB throws for 330 + yards with 4 TD's, without even using our top 2 receivers for most of the 2nd half, & there are those who want to knit-pick? Wow! We'll keep our 2 QB's, & you can be sure there is not another player in the state that Coach Dodge would rather have than either Mc or Riley...period...you guy's started this thread, not a Carroll person, so you figure it out, we're happy!

[zippy]

I would hope he would choose his son over someone else. It is hilarious, and I figured SLC would have beat them by more, but what can you do, you guys won. I would not worry too much about the knit-pickers. At this point it seems like even with another title, people might still bash SLC. Of course I want nothing more than for SLC and SV to make it back again this year. I dont know at this point that this will be easy, but it would be real nice if it did happen! Just make sure you guys keep us informed on the QB situation, and dont let these guys keep you from doing so. Maybe this thread will end now.


This is hilarious...we trounce Lee, our new QB throws for 330 + yards with 4 TD's, without even using our top 2 receivers for most of the 2nd half, & there are those who want to knit-pick? Wow! We'll keep our 2 QB's, & you can be sure there is not another player in the state that Coach Dodge would rather have than either Mc or Riley...period...you guy's started this thread, not a Carroll person, so you figure it out, we're happy!

[drgnbkr]

I think the plan will be for Riley to play every 3rd series..he is next years QB & I would think Coach Dodge wants to get him as many quality reps as he can..I just hope he does'nt over-use him & get him hurt...I would love to see SV again..good fans, good program, good games!

[zippy]

Yea, he is still young, and he can be over used if not carefull. Good games you say, I would say good game. The first one wasnt much of a game,


I think the plan will be for Riley to play every 3rd series..he is next years QB & I would think Coach Dodge wants to get him as many quality reps as he can..I just hope he does'nt over-use him & get him hurt...I would love to see SV again..good fans, good program, good games!

[dragonsdaddy]

so we've got a neer do well from fridge who's out to disprove his adage as completely and quickly as he can. a hard grader who, while finding a dark cloud in every silver lining, can throw a blanket over every qb who's ever played for his favorite team and had a similar statistical game, and have room for his kids and a picnic basket too. and another out of towner who read about the game and has concluded that averaging 320 yds every 3 quarters and 3 tds with 2 ints is so unacceptable that he should be benched.
so if he throws 4 tds a game, and has 440 yds a game, he's not worth having. you might find 1-2 coaches across the state who disagree. it would be and in fact is quite laughable, and will continue as long as i44 etal has life in their keyboards. by the way, is a ranking of 19 how one defines a mediocre team? talk about hard grading.

[zippy]

Im lost. I do get parts, but not the entire thing. HELP!


so we've got a neer do well from fridge who's out to disprove his adage as completely and quickly as he can. a hard grader who, while finding a dark cloud in every silver lining, can throw a blanket over every qb who's ever played for his favorite team and had a similar statistical game, and have room for his kids and a picnic basket too. and another out of towner who read about the game and has concluded that averaging 320 yds every 3 quarters and 3 tds with 2 ints is so unacceptable that he should be benched.
so if he throws 4 tds a game, and has 440 yds a game, he's not worth having. you might find 1-2 coaches across the state who disagree. it would be and in fact is quite laughable, and will continue as long as i44 etal has life in their keyboards. by the way, is a ranking of 19 how one defines a mediocre team? talk about hard grading.

[relraiderfan]

i was at the game and personally was pretty impressed with Greg. He has a good arm and most of his balls were on the money. Even the interceptions were fairly good balls, just good plays by the dbs. The only thing was he is not as good of a scrambler, but that was expected from the beginning. He gets the job done and will have a great year. Saying that, i was incredibly impressed with Riley. That kid can play and is likely to be something special. Very athletic and a cannon for an arm. A scary combination. I think he could be the best QB SLC has ever seen.

[LoneStarProud]

My two cents regarding posts and predictions...This is a message board dealing with high school kids. You can be passionate about your school or any individual player and boldly predict outcomes of games or future stats yet to be obtained. Yet we all know that these are 15, 16 and 17 year old kids. Who knows what can really happen. If someone raves about a kid and he fails to meet that expectation..so what. Even the pro's have ups and downs. If someone hypes up a school or kid beyond a reasonable expectation I just take it with a grain of salt and consider who we all are. We're just a bunch of crazy fans with nothing better to do than spend time satisfying or football addiction. Come December there will be a lot of crow eatin and a handful of brain surgeons left on this board. In regard to McElroy, I believe the expectations were elevated so much that he would have had to have had a flawless opener to live up to the hype in some folks eye's. Oh well, time will tell. I do believe however that his potential for an exceptional season is well within reality. Give him a break and let him prove or disprove himself on his own merit.

[Reaganrattler07]

My two cents regarding posts and predictions...This is a message board dealing with high school kids. You can be passionate about your school or any individual player and boldly predict outcomes of games or future stats yet to be obtained. Yet we all know that these are 15, 16 and 17 year old kids. Who knows what can really happen. If someone raves about a kid and he fails to meet that expectation..so what. Even the pro's have ups and downs. If someone hypes up a school or kid beyond a reasonable expectation I just take it with a grain of salt and consider who we all are. We're just a bunch of crazy fans with nothing better to do than spend time satisfying or football addiction. Come December there will be a lot of crow eatin and a handful of brain surgeons left on this board. In regard to McElroy, I believe the expectations were elevated so much that he would have had to have had a flawless opener to live up to the hype in some folks eye's. Oh well, time will tell. I do believe however that his potential for an exceptional season is well within reality. Give him a break and let him prove or disprove himself on his own merit.

Well said....

[dragonsdaddy]

Im lost. I do get parts, but not the entire thing. HELP!
the fridge posters sig explains itself and happens to fit him rather well, esp the 2nd half. i44 is a notorious hard grader as his ability to find and expound on imperfections has bordered on world-class. and 88 stated that if mc comntinues to have games and stats such as these he should be benched.

[Reaganrattler07]

the fridge posters sig explains itself and happens to fit him rather well, esp the 2nd half. i44 is a notorious hard grader as his ability to find and expound on imperfections has bordered on world-class. and 88 stated that if mc comntinues to have games and stats such as these he should be benched.

I meant if they weren't happy with his stats. That was my mistake. The reason I said that was because it seemed that people weren't pleased with his showing.

[Reaganrattler07]

the fridge posters sig explains itself and happens to fit him rather well, esp the 2nd half. i44 is a notorious hard grader as his ability to find and expound on imperfections has bordered on world-class. and 88 stated that if mc comntinues to have games and stats such as these he should be benched.

And why you got a burr up your saddle anyways, dragonsdaddy?

[dragonsdaddy]

the people not happy with his performance would like nothing better in this hs football world than total, abject failure of everything having to do with slc. there is absolutely no way to make peace with some of them either.

[zippy]

I got you, I later saw some of the other treads..


the fridge posters sig explains itself and happens to fit him rather well, esp the 2nd half. i44 is a notorious hard grader as his ability to find and expound on imperfections has bordered on world-class. and 88 stated that if mc comntinues to have games and stats such as these he should be benched.

[CoppellCowboy57]

I think y'all none-southlake fans are underrating Greg McElroy, it was his first start, for southlake...its ashame

[zippy]

I think both teams (and every other team in the state), as well as a lot of individual players were a bit sluggish this week. Not only was it the first real game, but it has been a little warm in our great state. I would say it was around 115-120 on the ground at every day game around this past weekend. Even the night games were hitting 90+. Lets just sit back and let things happen. I would bet that by district games, everyone will be about where they are going to be for the year. If Mc does not meet your expectations by then, come here and vent. Until then, lay off and lets talk about something else.


I think y'all none-southlake fans are underrating Greg McElroy, it was his first start, for southlake...its ashame

[CoppellCowboy57]

I think both teams (and every other team in the state), as well as a lot of individual players were a bit sluggish this week. Not only was it the first real game, but it has been a little warm in our great state. I would say it was around 115-120 on the ground at every day game around this past weekend. Even the night games were hitting 90+. Lets just sit back and let things happen. I would bet that by district games, everyone will be about where they are going to be for the year. If Mc does not meet your expectations by then, come here and vent. Until then, lay off and lets talk about something else.


I agree, I hope he does well I really do, he seems like a great guy

[drgnbkr]

Expectations were met & exceeded..no prob...

[zippy]

With Dodge at SLC, he could probably take a fat lineman and make him into a decent QB, so once things get going, and some pressure/heat is off him I think he will be just fine. I dont think he will get 500 yards a game or 5000 yard this season, but he will be close. On predictions, I dont like to make them, but I want to have this stored for future reference. A soph. at SV named Trent Rios will have 1312 yards this year as a backup RB. Sorry, had to get that somewhere on this site ;)


I agree, I hope he does well I really do, he seems like a great guy

[implacable44]

it is the dragons daddy fresh off convincing some innocent person that they needed more dental work than they really did so that he can spend his day posting about highschool football. what are you talking about:

"so we've got a neer do well from fridge who's out to disprove his adage as completely and quickly as he can. a hard grader who, while finding a dark cloud in every silver lining, can throw a blanket over every qb who's ever played for his favorite team and had a similar statistical game, and have room for his kids and a picnic basket too. and another out of towner who read about the game and has concluded that averaging 320 yds every 3 quarters and 3 tds with 2 ints is so unacceptable that he should be benched.
so if he throws 4 tds a game, and has 440 yds a game, he's not worth having. you might find 1-2 coaches across the state who disagree. it would be and in fact is quite laughable, and will continue as long as i44 etal has life in their keyboards. by the way, is a ranking of 19 how one defines a mediocre team? talk about hard grading."

i44 etal has life in their keyboards ? Hilarious - If I wasnt confident in my discussions with other folks of actual intelligence, I would think less of you than I already do. I am not sure which comment you made was referring to me. Am I the "neer do well" or the "out of towner" or am I the one saying he should be benced and is not worth having? COMICAL. - I havent said any of these things. I said he played pretty good - especially considering the injury he suffered. I did say that RIley is a better QB than him and I stand by that comment. Mac has an advantage in 2 areas - size and height - of course there are those - you included who claim riley is 6 feet tall so height in a non-issue or would be if that were true. - The rest of my comments have been directed at SLC apologists - especially you - who prior to the season were calling this kid the living end. he goes out against a mediocre team with a terrible secondary and has a decent game. That was no test. And I said if you are going to post his stats - POST THEM ALL. dont leave out the ints' and fumbles - POST THEM ALL. stand up for your boy - dont cover for him. You are the ones who create unreasonable expectations for him on this board. Dont come and criticize me and whoever else when we critique him.

[Reaganrattler07]

I was the one who called for him to be benched without actually meaning it. I meant that if they were still displeased with his performance, they should bench him. Miscommunication on my part.

[KLH75287]

If the kid was over 60% with 300+ yds and 3 TD's, what is the problem?

There are hundreds of teams who would love to have those numbers from a returning starter, much less a first timer.

Give the kid a break. Quit hating him because he is at the helm of one of the best programs in the history of Texas HS football, and be excited about his future.

Either way you look at it, I bet he will be playing in December when most of you other's teams are practicing basketball.

This is CRAZY !!!

GO PACK IN '05

[dragonsdaddy]

it is the dragons daddy fresh off convincing some innocent person that they needed more dental work than they really did so that he can spend his day posting about highschool football. what are you talking about:

"so we've got a neer do well from fridge who's out to disprove his adage as completely and quickly as he can. a hard grader who, while finding a dark cloud in every silver lining, can throw a blanket over every qb who's ever played for his favorite team and had a similar statistical game, and have room for his kids and a picnic basket too. and another out of towner who read about the game and has concluded that averaging 320 yds every 3 quarters and 3 tds with 2 ints is so unacceptable that he should be benched.
so if he throws 4 tds a game, and has 440 yds a game, he's not worth having. you might find 1-2 coaches across the state who disagree. it would be and in fact is quite laughable, and will continue as long as i44 etal has life in their keyboards. by the way, is a ranking of 19 how one defines a mediocre team? talk about hard grading."

i44 etal has life in their keyboards ? Hilarious - If I wasnt confident in my discussions with other folks of actual intelligence, I would think less of you than I already do. I am not sure which comment you made was referring to me. Am I the "neer do well" or the "out of towner" or am I the one saying he should be benced and is not worth having? COMICAL. - I havent said any of these things. I said he played pretty good - especially considering the injury he suffered. I did say that RIley is a better QB than him and I stand by that comment. Mac has an advantage in 2 areas - size and height - of course there are those - you included who claim riley is 6 feet tall so height in a non-issue or would be if that were true. - The rest of my comments have been directed at SLC apologists - especially you - who prior to the season were calling this kid the living end. he goes out against a mediocre team with a terrible secondary and has a decent game. That was no test. And I said if you are going to post his stats - POST THEM ALL. dont leave out the ints' and fumbles - POST THEM ALL. stand up for your boy - dont cover for him. You are the ones who create unreasonable expectations for him on this board. Dont come and criticize me and whoever else when we critique him.

no out of some unearned, unfounded respect i labeled you as the hard grader. i was not the one, at least in my failing memory, who over-hyped mcelroy. i think i predicted 4500 yds which if you allow as i do for 16 games would be less than 300 per. i think i said riley was 5'11, which you rounded up to overmake your point. i guess the pollsters forgot to ask you who should have been rated in the polls. the mleesters looked less than mediocre last year too, but turned it around to have a decent year. i won't be surprised if similar things happen this year. btw, how is it that you got the only perfect view of the fumble? were you right on the goalline? i never saw the shot from the goalline camera to make the call. i think we could save money and let you make all the calls, as they are the only "correct" ones possible. and i will come on here and criticize those who imo need criticizing whenever i please. whenever i feel the need to ask a ja's permission, i'll run it by you. that ok with you?

[Favpack]

This is all talk over nothing -- If he stays healthy - McElroy will have eye-popping stats - and SLC will march on. The only negative you'll likely see early on is some missed reads and more than a few picks.

Lots of folks simply want to see him fail. The talk of him being a "choker" with the stats he had is absurd. Those of us predicting 75-14 just got a bit carried away.

[football fanatic]

If I am reading all of these posts correctly....then this is what I am seeing:

1. Bruised shoulder that didn't allow the kid to practice or throw at all until Thursday afternoon
2. Team drives 3 hours on a bus that morning
3. Plays in 110 degree heat
4. First varsity start knowing it is being televised and several big time d-1 programs have told you they want to see a couple of games before they offer
5. Goes 21 - 33 - 325 - 3 - 2 (with at least 50 more yards in drops) and rushes for 42 and a touchdown (and a fumble that many, including T Dodge thought was a td) IN ONLY 3 QUARTERS!!!


I think the expectation level for this kid or Riley (who provides another unique threat and is a great talent) has gotten a little out of hand....

[dragonsdaddy]

the detraction level of several is definitely up there too. ignore ignorance is probably the best advice for this tiatp.

[implacable44]

what is all this garbage - oh he had to play in 110 degree heat - he had a bruised shoulder - he had a sore pinky -- his mom didnt feed him the right cereal in the morning - wah wah wah - EVERYONE played in 110 degree heat - you either play or you dont. I dont want the politically correct version of garbage that exists today - oh maybe we should grade his performance with purple ink and not red so we dont hurt his feelings - just play.

again ddaddy -I said he played well. I still think Riley is the better option at QB and the teams success will ride with how often they throw the ball to Mckay. THis is his team - not mcelroys.

yeah if you want to check with me on all calls I would appreciate it.

[toonman]

I was at the game and there is no doubt that SLC has 2 very talented QBs. It looked to me that it was a typical first game of the season; as the game progressed, so did both QBs. I am sure we will see an even better and much improved performance from the SLC offence this Friday and later when the District games start. There were a few hic-cups, but some of the plays are the same as had been seen last season. What SLC should be talking about is the magnificent defense - this is going to be a real strength for SLC this year.

[dragonsdaddy]

as an avowed apologist, let's tap the brakes a little on the defense. they had a good opening game, with lots of room for improvement. they haven't covered the back out of the backfield yet. and don't think the coppell coaches aren't drooling at the chance to turn moody loose in the flats with a few dbs in his way. the cb play was good, against some questionably talented wrs and a relatively mediocre qb. the dl play was very good and will carry them a long way. coach m will have the rb release play well defensed this week.

[dragonsdaddy]

in the long run riley may be the most productive of them all, but i hate to think that besides being the best referee, you are also the best judge of qbs, and should be on the hotline to a slug like dodge giving him a clue about how to pick his starting lineup. btw, don't presume to know how TEAMme works, cause you have proven with you last post it isn't in your vernacular.

[implacable44]

hate it and i dont give a darn about teamme - nor have i ever discussed it. FOCUS

[dragonsdaddy]

it's hard to talk or discuss things with people completely ignorant of pertinent data. you think the offense should revolve around mckay. great opinion. dead wrong. write with some other ideas. i'm sure coach dodge would love to hear them too.

you are definitely following the wrong career path. you seem to obsessed with teeth. there are several good dentists in the area, and i know a couple personally. if you have any needs i'll give you their numbers. btw, i have done any dds'ing in quite a few decades now, not that facts will stand in the way of a good rant.

[implacable44]

I never said the offense would revolve around Mckay. He is a receiver - the best of many. I said he should and probably will get the most balls thrown to him and the most cathces. Don't put words in my mouth ddaddy. You seem to have a habit of taking people's words and adding to them to suit your needs - you know take what someone says - add a little to it or change it a little to help make your point - man - what would be a good word for that?

[dragonsdaddy]

what is all this garbage - oh he had to play in 110 degree heat - he had a bruised shoulder - he had a sore pinky -- his mom didnt feed him the right cereal in the morning - wah wah wah - EVERYONE played in 110 degree heat - you either play or you dont. I dont want the politically correct version of garbage that exists today - oh maybe we should grade his performance with purple ink and not red so we dont hurt his feelings - just play.

again ddaddy -I said he played well. I still think Riley is the better option at QB and the teams success will ride with how often they throw the ball to Mckay. THis is his team - not mcelroys.

yeah if you want to check with me on all calls I would appreciate it.
i don't know, but ownership of a team sounds kind of like a different take than anything dodge has ever preached. tain't happening over our way. spin it somehow that you meant something else. luckily virge doesn't listen to outsiders much. he's been brainwashed to believe in what brung him, and it's TEAMme.

[dragonsdaddy]

i don't know why i would need to, you've added the words in your last post that i couldn't find anywhere else. also, i couldn't quite find evidence of my crimes either. what the heck, i'm sure you won't let that stop you from expounding on it.

[Favpack]

what is all this garbage - oh he had to play in 110 degree heat - he had a bruised shoulder - he had a sore pinky -- his mom didnt feed him the right cereal in the morning - wah wah wah - EVERYONE played in 110 degree heat - you either play or you dont. I dont want the politically correct version of garbage that exists today - oh maybe we should grade his performance with purple ink and not red so we dont hurt his feelings - just play.

again ddaddy -I said he played well. I still think Riley is the better option at QB and the teams success will ride with how often they throw the ball to Mckay. THis is his team - not mcelroys.

yeah if you want to check with me on all calls I would appreciate it.

Implac - you seem to argue over nothing. Correct me if I'm wrong - weren't you the one that argued for days on end over Riley's height? Now you want him to start.

SLC is the team to beat - deal with it. Until proven otherwise - I don't see a huge percentage chance of them not going zero in the loss column again. While they didn't come in at midseason form - they threw for a bazillion yards and beat an ok Lee team - a team that will likely be in the thick of their district race.

[dragonsdaddy]

sorry favpack. you must not have gotten the memo. mr serenity deemed them mediocre. they need to fold the tents and save the equipment. they're done.

[implacable44]

mediocre - they are mediocre - wasnt this the same team you predicted to hang 60 on ?

Fav pack - I seem to argue about nothing ? If it is nothing then let me send your two cents back to you. - We did have a debate about Riley's height -- it goes to the point about hype. Why is there a need to exaggerate his height - or omit stats from mcelroys game - RIley can play - just as I stated a month ago in that discussion regardless of how tall he his and mcelroy had a good game - that inlcuded 2 int's and a fumble. (unless you are a dragon and then it was a TD)

DDaddy - that was my post all right - Mckay is the best player on the team - doesnt matter if it is teamme or teamwe or teamus whatever - he is the best and the more touches he gets the better the Dragons will be.

[SLCDRGN]

Everyone.......Please ignore 44. All he wants to do is fight with everyone. Act like he does not exist......He will go away.....PLEASE!

More Dragons & Zero 44!!

[implacable44]

oh how cute - all the dragons are coming to stick up for their daddy.

[ALLIN]

Crap, if the Dragons are mediocre with 48 pts (2 dropped td's) 536 yards with 2 int's and a fumble. Texas really does have the best football teams. I would have hated to see no turnovers, man! Then 44 would have said we have no class for running up the score

[implacable44]

I know it is difficult to engage in an on-going conversation when you suffer from ADD or whatever you have been diagnosed with - I said Midland Lee was mediocre - I have repeatedly stated SLC is a dang good football team. Focus and Follow along. Try to read all the letters that form the words and then comment.

[ALLIN]

My bad, ur right! I will try harder, if you try to not hate the dragons so much. I guess success breeds jealousy!

[implacable44]

again - I am a graduate of CJ and we are jealous of noone. That is like saying Bush is jealous of John Kerry.

Anyway - I don't hate the Dragons - I didn't drive 2 1/2 hours to see a team I hate.

[owldad]

I have no axes to grind in this argument. I watched two games on TV Saturday. The Nease vs. Hoover game and SLC vs. Lee. IMO SLC looked like they didn't miss a beat from last years Championship game. McElroy looked great as did the rest of the team. Now a great game to see would be SLC vs. Hoover. BTW...I am being real picky here, but the one thing that bothered me about Riley Dodge was that he seemed to be the only SLC player on the field or the sidelines that had his helmet off. He took it off after every play. I know it was extremely hot but he was the only one...at least that the cameras were showing. Oh well...from the outside looking in everything seems to be in place for SLC to roll for another year! Go Owls...

[implacable44]

I noticed that too - maybe you are referrincing to his character and potentially being cocky -- I wont assume - leave that up to the Daddy - but would that be a bad thing ? The other thing about him that I noticed was he was always quick to congratulate and join in the celebration. He was one of the first to run out and give recognition to others- - at least that I noticed.

[fabdragnfan]

Interesting posts....

I'll go with Riley as the best qb. I cringed everytime Mc tried to run with the ball. It looked like he was trying to make things happen all by himself. I also noticed that Riley had a better field presence...a natural leader. It will be scary what he will do for us once Mc is out of the picture.

And while we're talking preferences...I prefer Newton as RB, not Moorefield.

[dragonsdaddy]

tre showed flashes, make that a flash of brilliance. he had some good blocks on blitzes. he and moorefield together could provide what luna brought to the table. tre will make a name for himself, and dodge will put him in a position to succeed. til then, he needs to break some arm tackles and learn to run behind his pads a little better. our running game has further to go than any other phase except some special tam play.

[dragonsdaddy]

oh how cute - all the dragons are coming to stick up for their daddy.
i'm doing fine. arguing with someone outside the family is pretty simple cause one of us has facts based on years of getting and keeping these players on the field, or actually feeding and lodging some of them, and the other has "unbias" based on who knows what they taught in basketball, 250 miles away.

[southlake thug]

tre showed flashes, make that a flash of brilliance. he had some good blocks on blitzes. he and moorefield together could provide what luna brought to the table. tre will make a name for himself, and dodge will put him in a position to succeed. til then, he needs to break some arm tackles and learn to run behind his pads a little better. our running game has further to go than any other phase except some special tam play.


Yeah once Tre "fills out" a little more and gets some more field awareness, it could be scary. He has ALOT of potential.

[implacable44]

feeding and loding your sons a few years ago gives you insight into the world of football and makes you credible ? heck Terry Bradshaw played the game and he is an idiot - Bill Walton played in the NBA but he is an idiot. If those are your credentials you have fallen a notch or two.

[dragonsdaddy]

you stay ignorant of everything dragon, and we'll continue on our merry way.

[implacable44]

as we said before ignorance is bliss with those green, rosy glasses you wear. but you may be on your way.

[DragonWatcher]

Yep ignorance is bliss especially when your their with a nice big ring that says state and national champions on it upon your finger.

[implacable44]

I hope it doesnt say national champs -- since that is mythical

[DragonWatcher]

Not Mythical, just opinionated.

[implacable44]

No it is a myth because it doesn't exist.

[DragonWatcher]

No it exists much the same way as the BCS does for college. Was their any clear way of figuring out who was better between Auburn and USC? Nope, but the trojans are still national champs. And a myth doesn't mean its untrue. It means that it is based in fact or history but has evolved beyond that into something based on fact but not entirely true, an accurate description of a high school national championship but the connotation that you give the word changes its meaning slightly

[KT2000]

Implacable44, you've stated your opinion numerous times and made it very clear. The best course of action now would probably be to let the issue go away.

I don't think anyone can critisize a player or a team's performance too harshly at this point. Talk to me again in 10 weeks or so, and then we'll have much more factual evidence to back up any claims of the which QB is better argument.

The fact that some of you are ready to dogpile on McElroy after one game is laughable at best. People have bad games, and no matter what "school of hard knocks" you may have grown up in...a player's health and readiness do matter. I think throwing for well over 50% and 300 something yards in three quarters qualifies as very good despite all of the turnovers. Obviously, they'll want to cut back on that, but the bottom line is that his team won the game by a comfortable margin. At the end of the day, that's the only stat that really matters.

Sure, it sounds cutesy and cliche but it's the honest to goodness truth. 20 years from now, I guarantee you no one in Southlake or the state for that matter will ask what his TD-INT ratio was before they ask about how many games he won as a starter. Right now, he's 1-0 and you can be sure Coach Dodge and company will gladly take that and move on to the next opponent.

[implacable44]

its a myth - It is nothing like the BCS because there is no computer system used to evaluate this high school game - In fact there is no way to establish it period and no "official" designation. It is not recognised and the BCS is. way to distort the facts though to try and make your case but a judge would have thrown it out and granted me summary judgment.

[DragonWatcher]

Well its a good thing football's played on the field and not in a court of law then.

P.S. There are polls done using statistics by computers who still had Southlake as the Number 1 team in the nation. While you are correct in saying that no one poll is official every major poll had southlake listed as the number one team.

[implacable44]

KT 2000 since you opined on the matter- what is my point ? Please let me know so that I can see we are on the same page. I know you feel the need to rush and defend your accquaintances on the board who were with you in the beginning but let us just establish an understanding before you choose to name me in a post and advise me on a course of action. I have said repeatedly that he is good and will have a good if not great season as will the team. I only requested that all his stats be posted. a little integrity for those who use this board and are not priveleged to witness the game or get the information. There are some who might use this board to get thier scores and statistics and as the operator of this board you should desire that the integrity of information be maintained. You don't publish your stats and ranks with distortion do you ? I agree this is a worn out subject and there is so much misunderstanding in what has been said that it has been thrown way off base. My initial and only dictate was to report all his stats - dont give someone from the valley distorted numbers.

[dragonsdaddy]

while i agree that there shouldn't even be a national championship due to the improbabilities of its veracity, i'm pretty sure any judge would in fact recognize its existence. the 4-5 groups that went to the trouble of providing the hardware certainly believe it. i would have never recognized the national championship if it was up to me on the ring, but i got out-voted. my theory is that the best team in texas is the national champion anyway, and we earned the state title with wins, not votes.

[DragonWatcher]

There's a difference between looking to the board for stats and looking to the site for stats. What anyone says on the message board is sole opinion and any team can post any stat for any player of any game. If someone leaves out turnovers I'm fine with that, I look to a newspaper for correct stats. I would say that you have harmed the integrity of the board more than any lack of stat posting ever could have.

[dragonsdaddy]

KT 2000 since you opined on the matter- what is my point ? Please let me know so that I can see we are on the same page. I know you feel the need to rush and defend your accquaintances on the board who were with you in the beginning but let us just establish an understanding before you choose to name me in a post and advise me on a course of action. I have said repeatedly that he is good and will have a good if not great season as will the team. I only requested that all his stats be posted. a little integrity for those who use this board and are not priveleged to witness the game or get the information. There are some who might use this board to get thier scores and statistics and as the operator of this board you should desire that the integrity of information be maintained. You don't publish your stats and ranks with distortion do you ? I agree this is a worn out subject and there is so much misunderstanding in what has been said that it has been thrown way off base. My initial and only dictate was to report all his stats - dont give someone from the valley distorted numbers.
i hope you don't throw your shoulder out with those marvelous bon mots. i don't know where the stats were hidden, as every paper and article mentioned them. when someone talks about a particular game by a rb, say evans from irving, i don't think it is always evident how many times he fumbles or loses yardage on a play, but those things can make a great difference to a knowledgeable reader.and anyone watching tre newton play would have known he had a very mediocre game and one great run, but not from looking at the stats. you conviently, for your agenda, latch on to some perceived slight and drag it around through every bit of mud you think exists. being biased against something is every bit as warping as the other way around.

[KT2000]

Implacable, I don't have to rush to defend SLC fans. The last 4.5 pages of posts before I chimed in should be evidence enough of that. They are perfectly capable.

I just think there is too much reading between the lines going on. Just because someone doesn't list a certain stat doesn't mean they don't/won't acknowledge it happened.

[implacable44]

List them all. Do you think people down in San Antonio get the stats or write up on a Carroll game Daddy ? this is the TEXAS 5A board not the CARROLL board or the dragoon board or the DFW board. TEXAS. The Express News doesn't publish what the Dragons do.

KT2000 - you obviously did feel the need - maybe Daddy IM'd you and requested you take a look or chime in 0 but you obviously felt the need to post.

[DragonWatcher]

So now you attack the creator of the site. Youll be dueling God himself in a few days I guess. People don't have to go here for all the stats. Thats whats wonderful about the internet. Now newsparers are "online" which means you can read a newspaper from anywhere. It's a rather nifty idea which works well. The fact is you are right. It's a board, and you can post whatever you want a board. To see the complete stats look at a newspaper article.

[KT2000]

I always jump in and try to "put out fires" in threads that I feel have run their course, gone out of control or are totally irrelevant to the original topic discussion.

This one definitely qualifies as one that's run its course.

[the_great_state_of_TExas]

implacable44 - Give this kid a break....

I realize that you pulled your hammy in junior high chasing Sally Jo around the play ground and did not get to play QB for whatever junior high in San Antonio you attended but give this kid a break.

[KT2000]

No personal attacks needed. That's not what the board is about, or should be about. This is high school football and high school students we are dicussing on here. One of the last semi-pure sporting relms left on the planet.

The best thing is for everyone to agree to disagree and move on. Keep repping your schools with pride, but do it in a civilized and classy manner...that is one of the only "demands" we make on this board.

[the_great_state_of_TExas]

Sorry for stooping to that level.... But we all have to recognize these are high school kids.

[SLCDRGN]

KT2000.......Please close the thread!! I can't take what it has turned into.

[southlake thug]

Yeah I agree, let's just close this thread and talk about something else.

[implacable44]

no great state I played div 1 college basketball and you ?