Judson Player Out

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Football notebook: Judson tackle out

Web Posted: 08/26/2005 12:00 AM CDT


San Antonio Express-News

Class 5A

Judson tackle out: Judson senior offensive tackle Adolph Perez is out indefinitely with an undisclosed medical condition, Rockets coach Jim Rackley said Friday.

Perez (6-foot-1, 295 pounds) was a first-team all-district and Express-News All-Area selection last season. His absence is a blow for the Rockets, who are attempting to replace 2,500-yard rusher Kyle Fox.

"You're always going to have injuries and setbacks," Rackley said. "You have to deal with it and your team has to get better as a result. For Adolph, the No. 1 issue is his health. That's our biggest concern right now."

[battlin'bulldawgs]

Good that means Cove will whoop that butt even more next week.

[implacable44]

are you serious ? the kid is hurt and the first thought that pops in your demented, puny mind is - oh great - we will whoop that a** even more?

Your comment is disturbing in many aspects. I will break them down for you.

the first and most startling part of your comment regarding joy in this poor young man's tragedy is terrible - who are you the new BTK killer? How can you rejoice in his suffering ? - are you a Philly fan ? Did you rejoice when Michael Irvin fell to the turf with the rest of those freaks ? - Pitiful

second - you states that you will whoop that a** even more ? - That is almost - not quite but almost as disturbing as the first. Your comment implies that you were already anticipating victory which is comical bordering on cynical / psychotic which lends credence to the BTK attributes of your mind. C Cove beat Judson ? What is next the Mavs are gonna win the NBA title ? A Southlake Carrol apologist will admit they don't have the best player at every position not only on the football field but in any competition?

I really hope this kid is all right and can move on. Not too many details about the event - I will call my buddy Brent today and find out what actually happened and what the outlook is and post an update if he has one.

ha - Judson losing to Cove - stop it man. Stop it.

[rattlerbacker]

I totally agree with you, implacable. I even thought about the Philly fans when I first read that post. Its a shame that a post like that even stays on the board other than as an example of how NOT to be a good sport.

Good luck and a speedy recovery to Mr. Perez.

[adcwalker]

Don't let the remarks of one immature Cove poster trouble you. I've been a Cove Bulldawg fan for many years and am the parent of a former player. The loss of the player is a sad event, not only for the team but the player and his parents. It saddens me that he may not be able to play this season. It angers me to see someone that supports my team make such callow statement. Their statement is not supported by the majority of the players, parents and fans of the Bulldawgs.

Please do not lower yourself to response in like to this individual. It is not worth it.

This young man is in my prayers for a quick recovery and the ability to rejoin his team.

I'm looking forward to Judson coming to Bulldawg stadium and watching one of the best football games in the state.

[implacable44]

me too. I know it will be a good game. I have heard good things about Cove.

[CoppellCowboy57]

Maybe Judsons line has depth? Judson is a good team

[Favpack]

Sorry to hear this - our thoughts are with this player.

I hope Judson kicks CC next week -- I'll take Lonny's jawing over this young goofball any day.

[JC73]

Classless post. We SV fans have our share of idiots on this board also. Judson will have an answer to this injury, that is a fact.

[bullrock]

It's okay to get caught up in the moment. Any edge is huge in a game like this. I know it isn't right, but we all look for a litle help in a game like this. The only thing he did wrong was post what he was thinking. This could actually be good for Judson. The rest of the team will rally around and the bulletin board is certainly going to have this posted next week.

[SLCDad]

It was a silly comment probably made by an immature kid. Not worthy of a response.

Implacable44, no, SLC doesn't have the best players at every position and they are not the best in every competition they enter. Having said that, SLC is one of the top schools in Texas by most any measure. I'd rather have my kids going there than anywhere else. That's why we moved here. That's why we put up with the high taxes and high house costs. It's worth it.

[implacable44]

if it is silly - why are you putting your two cents in ?

well it is a good school - budget problems aside and there are a lot of good kids that go there. Lord help me but it looks like the wife is going to make me move there within the next 2 years when our daughter will be in kindergarten. I will remain true though -- " The Red The White The Gray"

[SLCDad]

if it is silly - why are you putting your two cents in ?

well it is a good school - budget problems aside and there are a lot of good kids that go there. Lord help me but it looks like the wife is going to make me move there within the next 2 years when our daughter will be in kindergarten. I will remain true though -- " The Red The White The Gray"

I mainly responded to the shot you took at SLC fans. You've done it often in the past. I also thought you over reacted a bit to the comment probably made by an immature kid.

A word of caution, if you move to Southlake your blood will turn green. They put something in the water. Give in. Resistance is futile!!

[implacable44]

how can you not take shots at SLC fans ? You guys leave yourselve open to them - even invite them with arrogance - well deserved and fully attributable - but arrogance all the same - although at times it borders on stupid.

I don't know that I overreacted. - I tell you what - lets keep this a secret and I will go and post about how Mcelroy is a little banged up from the scrimmage and rejoice in it and let us see the replies that pour in from the Greenbloods- how about it ? --

As long as there are kids there from my church I will support SLC - I am sure lil jacobson will be there tearing it up about 7 more years anyway.

[KT2000]

Good that means Cove will whoop that butt even more next week.

Normally, I'd delete a classless post like that but you deserve to take the heat for posting something like that. I know we're all fired up for the season, but get a grip.

[SLCDad]

how can you not take shots at SLC fans ? You guys leave yourselve open to them - even invite them with arrogance - well deserved and fully attributable - but arrogance all the same. . .

No doubt there is a ton of pride in being a Dragon fan. Isn't that what being a fan is all about?

Frankly, I take almost everything on this board with a grain of salt. I chuckle as I read and type. After all, this board is all about teenagers playing with a pointed ball. How serious should that be? But it IS fun.

[implacable44]

exactly!

[LeanderLions3033]

Good that means Cove will whoop that butt even more next week.

People like this should never post on 5atexasfootball, get this guy out of here. What are you thinking by posting something like this. The first thoughts out of your mind should be, I wish the best for him and his families. And plus, if this guy is one of their best players wouldnt you want to beat Judson with their best team out there. This makes me sick.

[implacable44]

that cant be done. he is second string man - didnt you read any of the HOF postings - he is on his way. Hey I am sure he just meant it as a slight comment and he can say that. I am the least politically correct person you will ever meet - or post or whatever this medium is - just ask dragonsdad. at the same time you make comments like that - be ready to take the heat.

[Jtate862003]

What a classless post im no judson or cove fan but because of that i hope judson stomps cove...

GO TYLER LEE RED RAIDERS

[Mad Hatter]

Kid has a heart condition had to be ambulanced off the field played all last season with it coaches didnt know. Wasnt the kids choice not to play he told coaches he was good to go. Rackey told him no.

Good choice by the coach i think winning games is not worth someone dyeing...anyone who says it is, is a freaking moron.

judson has depth adolf hasnt played at all this season i dont think we will be the same without him but i think we will manage.

[Mad Hatter]

Good that means Cove will whoop that butt even more next week.

wow ya know for a comment like that i really wish i knew where you lived...im not that far from austin can anyone get me his adress ???

[bullrock]

Now, now, Hatter. He hasn't been back and I'm sure he is sorry about the way it came across. I hope we would all think before we post. Sometimes we all get opthalanalosis though.

[implacable44]

we all get what? Please define opthalanalosis for the less edumacated - where is dragons daddy when you need him to explain words - he needs this one - this is like a $10.00 word -

[bullrock]

You've never heard of opthalanalosis? That's where your a$$ nerve and your eye nerve gets crossed and this short takes total control of your brain functions. In other words, or to put it more simply, you lose control. ;)

[implacable44]

got it.

[drgnbkr]

Only plac44 could take an idiots post about an unfortunate injury & turn it into a rip on Carroll...c'mon plac, don't you need to mow the yard or something?

[dragons08]

Only plac44 could take an idiots post about an unfortunate injury & turn it into a rip on Carroll...c'mon plac, don't you need to mow the yard or something?
please drgnbkr dont mention mowing the yard, i had to do that earlier, wayyyyyyyy to hot to cut grass! mentioning it brings back the memories of sweating my rear end off

[implacable44]

dont you have to tuen your flute or horn or whatever cruddy band instrument you play? mow the yard - heck no i pay geeks like you to do that.

[clemensbuff]

Good that means Cove will whoop that butt even more next week.

Battlin'bulldawgs, you are a complete Jack---! Just for your stupid comment I hope the Rockets thouroughly whip Cove. Judson gave us the worst whipping we've had in 20 years in the first round of the playoffs last year (31-0) and I hope we return the favor this year but not at the cost of any player on any teams injury! Judson football has been second to none the last 23 years and so has their sportsmanship. You should watch them closely and follow their example Jack---!

[TexasRed6x]

Battlin, I cannot believe you would say such a thing about a player beinig hurt. It is OK to get hyped up about your football team, but it is just a game. This kid has an issue with his heart, it is not like a cold, sore ankle but a very serious condition for a kid that was all city in San Antonio last year. I sure hope and would think that other fans tied to Cove have a bunch more class than you do. I would think in the future you should think before you type something like again.

[seansvranger]

that really sucks but it happens u know judson will recover from the loss in someway or another

[svrangerfan]

Judson never rebuilds they just reload. Anybody know how their recruiting went this offseason. If there is another Jerod Douglas out there Judson will find him and give momma a job.

[dwistheman]

Judson never rebuilds they just reload. Anybody know how their recruiting went this offseason. If there is another Jerod Douglas out there Judson will find him and give momma a job.

:rolleyes: yawn :rolleyes:

[Slim-Rob]

Kid has a heart condition had to be ambulanced off the field played all last season with it coaches didnt know. Wasnt the kids choice not to play he told coaches he was good to go. Rackey told him no.

Good choice by the coach i think winning games is not worth someone dyeing...anyone who says it is, is a freaking moron.

judson has depth adolf hasnt played at all this season i dont think we will be the same without him but i think we will manage.

...uh....right...we've known...

[Slim-Rob]

Judson never rebuilds they just reload. Anybody know how their recruiting went this offseason. If there is another Jerod Douglas out there Judson will find him and give momma a job.

so anyways

[DiamondJ2]

svranger, glad to see your kids can scrawl & know how to spell.

[svrangerfan]

svranger, glad to see your kids can scrawl & know how to spell.



Apparently it isn't required in your district. Especially if they can run. Week 5 buddy. Week 5. My Gramma could hang 60 on Laredo Nixon.

[dwistheman]

Apparently it isn't required in your district. Especially if they can run. Week 5 buddy. Week 5. My Gramma could hang 60 on Laredo Nixon.
Im suprised it took this long for a Ranger fan to take a shot at Judson. :cool:

Typical

[svrangerfan]

Sorry, I forgot as the great DW Rutledge was fond of saying "its all about the kids" I guess he meant the recruits. Oops I meant the "transfers". After all Douglas was the best running back Clemens ever produced. It sure did not take Frank Arnold long to turn tail and leave after the second High School opened as he promised he would. Guess we all know what it was all about with him.

[zippy]

Look no stabs at Judson, and it should be a good game. There were lots of excuses from SV when they lost last year. Yea it was early, yea the team was young, and yea they were learning a brand new system on both sides of the ball. This year there can be no excuses. SV will be there to play, and if they lose Judson is just the better team. It would be cool to not talk about the outside issue that took place last year. The idiot that did that was some attention needing moron. One of those kids that thinks they are cool, but really they end up in prison right out of high school. This represents SV in NO WAY whatsoever. Remember all the true SV people were on the field and in the stands. Not playing around by the bus. Advice to Judson fans, please do not take revenge by messing up SV's cars. You guys are better than that and I am ashamed of what happened last year. I wish we could just let you guys have the idiot that did that after the game, but I am sure he will not be around this year. As for me, I cant wait until this game, it should be real good. SV fans, please don't talk too much trash, Judson did beat us last year, and someone from our school did trash their property like an idiot.

[TexasRed6x]

Svrangerfan- Hey get old grammother out there I would pay good money to see her even try to hang 60 on Nixon. I trhink what would be even better is you and dear old gram-ma would get out there and hang 60 on anyone. You are bring up something that did not happen from 13 years ago, get real the year if you haven't realized yet is 2005. I think Judson by that time had already 3 titles, and if I remember you have zero. Again I don't have any reason to back Judson, but your comments about every little issue that has happened years ago is getting old. If you would please let us all know when you and grandma are ready to take on anyone so I can attend.

[Bucky]

Sorry, I forgot as the great DW Rutledge was fond of saying "its all about the kids" I guess he meant the recruits. Oops I meant the "transfers". After all Douglas was the best running back Clemens ever produced. It sure did not take Frank Arnold long to turn tail and leave after the second High School opened as he promised he would. Guess we all know what it was all about with him.

Are all SV ranger fans idiots?(notice that is a question..not a statement) didnt take Frank Arnold long to retire. If you hadnt had your head up your butt the last 5 years, you would have known that Coach Arnold was planning on retiring a few years earlier but was "talked" into staying UNTILL the new school opened so it would be done right. And so you know..It was all about the kids to Coach Arnold you jack@ss.

[Reaganrattler07]

Look no stabs at Judson, and it should be a good game. There were lots of excuses from SV when they lost last year. Yea it was early, yea the team was young, and yea they were learning a brand new system on both sides of the ball. This year there can be no excuses. SV will be there to play, and if they lose Judson is just the better team. It would be cool to not talk about the outside issue that took place last year. The idiot that did that was some attention needing moron. One of those kids that thinks they are cool, but really they end up in prison right out of high school. This represents SV in NO WAY whatsoever. Remember all the true SV people were on the field and in the stands. Not playing around by the bus. Advice to Judson fans, please do not take revenge by messing up SV's cars. You guys are better than that and I am ashamed of what happened last year. I wish we could just let you guys have the idiot that did that after the game, but I am sure he will not be around this year. As for me, I cant wait until this game, it should be real good. SV fans, please don't talk too much trash, Judson did beat us last year, and someone from our school did trash their property like an idiot.

Well said....

[bullrock]

It doesn't sound like you know as much as you think about the Rocket program. Your grandmother must be pretty salty. Maybe SV could have used her against that powerhouse they played last night. Week five will get here soon enough. Don't think you're the only who can't wait. It'll be nice to play SV again. Maybe we can help prepare you for another run at SLC.

[dwistheman]

Sorry, I forgot as the great DW Rutledge was fond of saying "its all about the kids" I guess he meant the recruits. Oops I meant the "transfers". After all Douglas was the best running back Clemens ever produced. It sure did not take Frank Arnold long to turn tail and leave after the second High School opened as he promised he would. Guess we all know what it was all about with him.
Im beginning to wonder why I ever rooted for you guys after we stomped a mudhole in you last year.

Zippy, thanks for trying to police your own. You seem to be one of the few level headed Sv fans that have found this board.

[zippy]

Neither of us played a very good team this past week, but that does not matter. I think a few SV fans are getting a little pumped because we had two backs rush for for 250 yards on around 20 carries between them both. We are in a situation now, where if you focus on the GREAT running game, you could get burned by Fullur, Beyer, Scrock, Rios catching the ball. I also think Fuller ran for like 74 yards on 3 carries. All this with the pre-season #1 defense in the state, give some people an idea that they may go all the way this year. As for me, I dont know if they will make it all the way, but after watching SLC today, I dont know that they will either. We need to consider how early it is. Lots of stuff that needs to be worked out. As of right now, SV needs to work on stuff for sure, and SLC does need to do the same thing, otherwise at this point I figure both to be beat in early playoff rounds. SLC needs to get things working togeter, get a QB, and make sure the running game is set up (Tre was not that great, 10 yeards before the last min. big gain) SV needs to watch the ball security. I think they lost it 6 times, but only lost 1. I have a feeling Hill will work with bryan to take the snaps better. I hope Judson plays SV hard this year, cause it does help them from then on, but just a warning to Judson fans, dont expect the same team as last year to show up. They should play the entire game better than they played the second half of last year. Perfect scenerio in my mind would be a Judon loss to SV, but both make it to state, Judson win D1, SV win dII. Hopefully playing against SLC again would be an added bonus to this..



It doesn't sound like you know as much as you think about the Rocket program. Your grandmother must be pretty salty. Maybe SV could have used her against that powerhouse they played last night. Week five will get here soon enough. Don't think you're the only who can't wait. It'll be nice to play SV again. Maybe we can help prepare you for another run at SLC.

[bullrock]

Watching Judson last night makes me think they have a better team than last year too. The defense was good and fast. Of course, they only had to defend the pass with an occassional run. SV sounds like they have a ggod team but I'm not sure they have the speed Judson has at so many positions. There's still three games until we meet and we will both get better. Next week is going to be a lot tougher than last week so we will see. Good luck and I hope we are both undefeated when we meet and maybe we could be KT's game of the week.

[svrangerfan]

OK no more shots at CJ. It will be a good game and I would love to be there for it. No excuses this year is right. SV hardly ever has more speed than anyone they play. If Hill left SV would be average at best. The Valley teams are what they are. Not very good. Remember 12-0 San Benito last year?? I will say this and it is true Judson and SV both benefit from being in Region 4 and most years the D2 champ is better than the D1 champ. SLC had played 3 teams in the playoffs (Abilene, Denton Ryan and Lufkin) that a total of one loss between them (SLC 52 Denton Ryan 27). It is not a total surprise they may have overlooked SV in the Texas Bowl. One of Judsons Championships was against a 5-5 team that got on a roll in the playoffs (Euless Trinity) another was against a Plano team that had no answer to Douglas. A third was a loss to Dallas Carter that was later a forfeit. Judson won't be challenged in the playoffs this year until Westfield or whoever comes out of Houston. SV's best shot is to out coach their opponents. They beat alot of teams with more talent. Judson does not play many teams with more talent than they have. When they do it shows. Remember Lewisville???

[DiamondJ2]

Can't leave it alone can you, sv ranger? Rockets have played many teams ranked higher & with more talent throughout the years: Houston Stratford, Aldine Esenhower (4 times), Holmes, GP North Shore, etc. who had more talent, more division 1 players & each time they were picked to beat Judson, but each time they lost to the Rockets. Again the same can be said of SLC-SV and it shows.

[Bucky]

OK no more shots at CJ.... One of Judsons Championships was against a 5-5 team that got on a roll in the playoffs (Euless Trinity) another was against a Plano team that had no answer to Douglas. A third was a loss to Dallas Carter that was later a forfeit. Judson won't be challenged in the playoffs this year until Westfield or whoever comes out of Houston. SV's best shot is to out coach their opponents. They beat alot of teams with more talent. Judson does not play many teams with more talent than they have. When they do it shows. Remember Lewisville???


No more shots ???

SV got its championships by deaming about them..because they damn sure havent won any on the football field!! Too much talent in Converse? How many D1 players have come out of Converse? Its not always talent..its the PROGRAM!!! Judson has some really athletic kids..but if thats what wins championships, then Judson would hardly ever beat the team out of Houston. What it all comes down to is...THE PROGRAM

[zippy]

SV will get their chance this year and the next couple of years. They finally have a talent full team, which is rare. Yea there are still a couple of aveage talent kids in key positions, but the backfield and defense is stacked with talent. I hope they do something positive with it. As for talent, last year Converse had a little more talent than SV, but they also played a better game and got the win. Lets just focus on this year. IMHO, SV has just as good of a program as Judson does. Some years thats all SV has to get them where they end up. I know Judson has used that when lacking major talent too. Good example is last years state game, SLC was loaded with talent, SV was loaded with a bunch of soph;s and jr;s that were suppose to be re-building. 2-3 players on that team had above average talent. One all-state, and two close to it. Should be a great game, wish people would choose a different rival until Judson and SV fall into the same division. Win or lose in district, does not really mean much now. We can both go on to win state. As of right now, SLC is really they ones SV should have a rival with, a true rival anyway.. However they have a few teams to get by in the playoffs tha might keep that game from taking place, and SV will too.


No more shots ???

SV got its championships by deaming about them..because they damn sure havent won any on the football field!! Too much talent in Converse? How many D1 players have come out of Converse? Its not always talent..its the PROGRAM!!! Judson has some really athletic kids..but if thats what wins championships, then Judson would hardly ever beat the team out of Houston. What it all comes down to is...THE PROGRAM

[zippy]

Both teams will find out a lot about how good they really are next week. This may be the hardest game SV will have until Judson. Also, I have a feeling KT will have a hard time finding a better game of the week.. Just keep up the winning, and maybe SV will do the same, and then it will be a for sure best game of the week! You guys will get a better matched team this year. If SV was a 6 out of 10 when they played Judson Last year, they ended up about 8 out of 10 againt SLC, and this year I would say they are a 9 so far, maybe 100% by the Judson game. They finally have the good passing and running to go along with the very good defense. Not only well rounded this year, but really good on the D, and really good running, and above average passing. (based on past SV teams, not the state)




Watching Judson last night makes me think they have a better team than last year too. The defense was good and fast. Of course, they only had to defend the pass with an occassional run. SV sounds like they have a ggod team but I'm not sure they have the speed Judson has at so many positions. There's still three games until we meet and we will both get better. Next week is going to be a lot tougher than last week so we will see. Good luck and I hope we are both undefeated when we meet and maybe we could be KT's game of the week.

[Mr_Lucci]

You Smithson Valley fans talk like you have six state championships. Beat Judson and win six state titles then run your mouth. Til then stop trying to convince everyone that you are the top program in the country. Oh and for sv ranger: Records in state title games Smithson Valley 0-3
Judson 6-3
TALK IS CHEAP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[COOTABANG]

lets just hope and pray that the player is safe as are all of the other players
i hate when injuries occur and people get hurt

[clemensbuff]

OK no more shots at CJ. It will be a good game and I would love to be there for it. No excuses this year is right. SV hardly ever has more speed than anyone they play. If Hill left SV would be average at best. The Valley teams are what they are. Not very good. Remember 12-0 San Benito last year?? I will say this and it is true Judson and SV both benefit from being in Region 4 and most years the D2 champ is better than the D1 champ. SLC had played 3 teams in the playoffs (Abilene, Denton Ryan and Lufkin) that a total of one loss between them (SLC 52 Denton Ryan 27). It is not a total surprise they may have overlooked SV in the Texas Bowl. One of Judsons Championships was against a 5-5 team that got on a roll in the playoffs (Euless Trinity) another was against a Plano team that had no answer to Douglas. A third was a loss to Dallas Carter that was later a forfeit. Judson won't be challenged in the playoffs this year until Westfield or whoever comes out of Houston. SV's best shot is to out coach their opponents. They beat alot of teams with more talent. Judson does not play many teams with more talent than they have. When they do it shows. Remember Lewisville???

So SVRANGERFAN, you think that Judson is going to beat Clemens in the first round again as easily as last year (31-0)? Judson wins a lot of tight games on tradition and heart. Clemens beat Judson on the field the first three years in 26-5a but not on the score board including 03' when Judson won state. They beat us 14-13 that year and because we couldn't kick and extra point and had three turnovers (2 of which were unforced) inside their 20 yard line going into score! They know how to win the big game! Just look what they did to the Rangers last year in your home stadium. I agree with you about Hill and his staff. Two years ago at the Alamo Dome SV should not have been within 21 points of Clemens (athlete to athlete) but it was a great game because of Hill. SV's kids are so well coached and play such disciplined football, it is simply remarkable. If he was not at SV your program would not have been heard of outside of Comal County still to this day! He and his staff are probably one of the top two in the state along with Todd Dodge @ SLC. I'll tell you another thing, as soon as the first trophy goes into your case he will be gone to the next level!!! When he leaves I don't think that SV's program will suffer much because of the tradition that he has put into place.

[zippy]

Well I am level headed, and as a level headed person, thanks for rooting for us, but I dont think anyone "stomped a mudhole" in SV last year. We all need to foget last year, and focus on this year.


Im beginning to wonder why I ever rooted for you guys after we stomped a mudhole in you last year.

Zippy, thanks for trying to police your own. You seem to be one of the few level headed Sv fans that have found this board.

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah, I got to give it to Zippy, he's policing his own and has kept a cool head throughout this...and most of all, he's pretty realistic.

[dragonsdaddy]

[QUOTE=zippy], and SLC does need to do the same thing, otherwise at this point I figure both to be beat in early playoff rounds. SLC needs to get things working togeter, get a QB, and make sure the running game is set up (Tre was not that great, 10 yeards before the last min. big gain)
what exactly did mcelroy need to accomplish to become an ok qb? he practiced one day this week and had a fair day with no more than 80% of his arm strength available to him(note the lack of out routes). he made some judgement errors and threw into coverage twice. for not having the reps, making those sorts of mistakes is likely. were worse to come to worst, i'm betting riley would have had similar success. that is one quick white boy. he reminds me of a wr in 00, kyle brown for slc who still has the record for longest td reception, against coppell. there will be some broken ankles before riley gets through. no, i'd be hard pressed to comment negatively about the slc qb situation. ask old duke if he'd trade the house for either.

btw, if you'll read my comments about the game, i am in complete agreement about the luna-less backfield. that's gonna have to improve along with the run blocking, or it'll be tough to keep the streak going.

[Mad Hatter]

man you Sv people just dont care where you have to bring up about how good you are. Last i checked this thread was about a judson player being injured and now its why Sv is better then god...

Heres an idea make a thread and call it Sv why were the best and post your crap in there and keep it out of forums that it doesnt belong in.

[zippy]

Not saying that SLC does not have great QB's. They will need to figure out which one to use before they can get it going. What I mean is that they need to designate a starter and go with him. Even two great QB's being sent in and out will cause them to lose the flow of the game. I know both could be awesome in the position, I didnt say that. As for the backfield, its going to be interesting. This has been a key to SLC in the past. Hopefully one of them will step up and do fine. SV also has a overly talented kid that is a soph running this year. So far he has done just as good as SV's starter, but its still early. Best of luck, and I am sure both will get it going, I just hope its before playoffs.



[QUOTE=zippy], and SLC does need to do the same thing, otherwise at this point I figure both to be beat in early playoff rounds. SLC needs to get things working togeter, get a QB, and make sure the running game is set up (Tre was not that great, 10 yeards before the last min. big gain)
what exactly did mcelroy need to accomplish to become an ok qb? he practiced one day this week and had a fair day with no more than 80% of his arm strength available to him(note the lack of out routes). he made some judgement errors and threw into coverage twice. for not having the reps, making those sorts of mistakes is likely. were worse to come to worst, i'm betting riley would have had similar success. that is one quick white boy. he reminds me of a wr in 00, kyle brown for slc who still has the record for longest td reception, against coppell. there will be some broken ankles before riley gets through. no, i'd be hard pressed to comment negatively about the slc qb situation. ask old duke if he'd trade the house for either.

btw, if you'll read my comments about the game, i am in complete agreement about the luna-less backfield. that's gonna have to improve along with the run blocking, or it'll be tough to keep the streak going.

[Reaganrattler07]

Isn't there a saying where "If you have two great quarterbacks, you got none" meaning that if one's out on the field in the back of his mind, he's thinking that he can be replaced if he so much screws up a bit.

[dwistheman]

Some schools have success with the two QB system in high school. College or the NFL is a different story. If you have 2 players that are equally capable then I dont think the 2 QB system is a negative (at least in high school).

[Reaganrattler07]

But I'd think it'd have some effect.....the QB would think he'd have to be perfect so he'd be prone to mess up.

And some other schools (I watched SA Mac the other night doing this) They switched off QB's on each drive....that can eliminate the "flow/momentum" that that player can build up....

[zippy]

There may be a saying, but I would not go that far at SLC. Heck they may rotate them out and both pass for 2K yards each. I just know that when you have any position that requires timing and you rotate them in and out during a game, it can become a problem no matter how much talent they have. I hear that McElroy is going to be the starter, so it may not even be a problem. And yes the pressure can get to you, and it gets even worse when the other talented QB is the head coaches son.. I have a feeling Dodge will give McElroy his word that he will be the starter aside from injury. He is too good of a coach to make this a competition during the entire season.

Isn't there a saying where "If you have two great quarterbacks, you got none" meaning that if one's out on the field in the back of his mind, he's thinking that he can be replaced if he so much screws up a bit.

[zippy]

It might be, and it might not be. I do know one thing, and that is it is one good position to be in if one gets hurt! Hopefully it will not happen but if it did most good teams would be out of it because of a hurt QB.. That is one benefit of this situation.


Some schools have success with the two QB system in high school. College or the NFL is a different story. If you have 2 players that are equally capable then I dont think the 2 QB system is a negative (at least in high school).

[dwistheman]

Alot of it may depend on the system the offense runs.
A pass heavy offense may not adapt to the 2 QB's the way a predominantly running offense does.
In the past Judson has run the 2 QB system, but the offense was 90-95% run.
This year they have the 2 QB's, but the offense will probably be 60-40 or so run. We will see as the season rolls on if they stick with it.

[Reaganrattler07]

Well with running all you need to do is hand it off.....as opposed to passing where you have to time it and measure it to get it out to the reciever.

[lonny23]

Isn't there a saying where "If you have two great quarterbacks, you got none" meaning that if one's out on the field in the back of his mind, he's thinking that he can be replaced if he so much screws up a bit.
I always heard if you have 2, you don't have any because the one playing is looking over his shoulder. You also have to figure that neither QB gets enough reps to win a title. It doesn't work at a high level, but on the high school scene:

Judson won the title in 2002 with QB's splitting time evenly and one of them was a junior.

[Reaganrattler07]

I always heard if you have 2, you don't have any because the one playing is looking over his shoulder. You also have to figure that neither QB gets enough reps to win a title. It doesn't work at a high level, but on the high school scene:

Judson won the title in 2002 with QB's splitting time evenly and one of them was a junior.

Yeah, that first part is what I heard....the one looking over his shoulder and worrying about messing up...

[zippy]

Like someone said, Judson has been a running team in the past. SLC is a lot different, and this year they might have some trouble in the backfield, so they might pass even more (is that possible).

Judson won the title in 2002 with QB's splitting time evenly and one of them was a junior.[/QUOTE]

[svrangerfan]

[QUOTE=clemensbuff]So SVRANGERFAN, you think that Judson is going to beat Clemens in the first round again as easily as last year (31-0)? Judson wins a lot of tight games on tradition and heart. Clemens beat Judson on the field the first three years in 26-5a but not on the score board including 03' when Judson won state.

Clemensbuff, Sorry, I forgot the Buffs played CJ in the 1st round. You played them well in District but once you got moved in with the innercity schools you just weren't ready for Judson I think because of a lack of competition within your district. I hope you get them again and beat the crap out out of them. I wish the Buffs nothing but success. I disagree with you about Hill. If he left they would be competitive but would not win much. They have a new high school opening just like you guys do. I wonder if 4A is not in SV and SC's future again.

[bullrock]

You tryin' to get someone to do your dirty work there sv? I guess since your team can't do it you might as well wish it on someone else. Good luck.

[svrangerfan]

Unfortunately or maybe fortunately the Judson game won't make or break our season. A District title would be nice but a state Championship would be even better. Judson has won state 2 different times I know of while losing to the D2 champion the same season. Temple and Roosevelt.

[DiamondJ2]

You are correct, but the count remains the same, Judson 6 SV 0, on state championships.

[zippy]

We got it. However Judson has had 25 chances at it in 5A, SV has had 3. So far a great record, been there 2/3 at least, only to be beat by one of the best 5A teams ever. And almost beat the #1 team in the USA. Lets let them get it going and things might change.


You are correct, but the count remains the same, Judson 6 SV 0, on state championships.

[DiamondJ2]

good point, zippy, but the fact is still present.

[zippy]

Yes it is still present, but there is a lot of "future" to go.

good point, zippy, but the fact is still present.

[svrangerfan]

And we will do it without "transfers".

[Mad Hatter]

oh please enough with the transfer thing there is no proof we recruited him...we wnt to court and won go take it up with the judge. Whats funny is you keep saying all ths stuff about how u have only had 3 chances in 5a compared to judsons 25....well you guys were in 4a and had some good teams couldnt get one there either

[implacable44]

wah you recruited jerrod - wah - wah -- actually jerrod recruited judson - he chose to go there. his cousin brent mccollum was there and played linebacker for the rockets from 88 to 90 and later at BYU - jerrod chose to go to Judson - they didnt go after him.-- maybe one day if SV gets a quallity program like Judson that produces winner and titles - you guys will get people transferring into your school too.

[dragonsdaddy]

to the best of my memory, coju had no success in 4a, as opposed to close but no cigar for sv.

[implacable44]

That is not entirely true daddy - they had a few district titles in there and some playoff wins but no state appearances. Needless to say - as you chose to point out in our little discussion about the amount of title held by SLC - this topic has expanded to inlcude total history and in the history of SV - whatever the classification - they have absolutely nothing to show for it.

[Reaganrattler07]

wah you recruited jerrod - wah - wah -- actually jerrod recruited judson - he chose to go there. his cousin brent mccollum was there and played linebacker for the rockets from 88 to 90 and later at BYU - jerrod chose to go to Judson - they didnt go after him.-- maybe one day if SV gets a quallity program like Judson that produces winner and titles - you guys will get people transferring into your school too.

In basketball SV actually had people transfer OUT.....

[lonny23]

to the best of my memory, coju had no success in 4a, as opposed to close but no cigar for sv.
3A/4A right before the 5A start in 1980 was just a transit point for Judson. They were bad going in and good going out. They only stayed a few years and were gone. They never built a great program at any class because they were constantly growing.

It looks like the SV-Judson argument might go on all year. Too bad I have to work too much and won't always contribute.

[clemensbuff]

[QUOTE=clemensbuff]So SVRANGERFAN, you think that Judson is going to beat Clemens in the first round again as easily as last year (31-0)? Judson wins a lot of tight games on tradition and heart. Clemens beat Judson on the field the first three years in 26-5a but not on the score board including 03' when Judson won state.

Clemensbuff, Sorry, I forgot the Buffs played CJ in the 1st round. You played them well in District but once you got moved in with the innercity schools you just weren't ready for Judson I think because of a lack of competition within your district. I hope you get them again and beat the crap out out of them. I wish the Buffs nothing but success. I disagree with you about Hill. If he left they would be competitive but would not win much. They have a new high school opening just like you guys do. I wonder if 4A is not in SV and SC's future again.

I'm working on CISD's new HS and it will be a great school when finished. I've been talking to some of the CISD's employees about SV moving down to 4a when it opens but they seem to think that there are so many people moving into the area that SV is destined to stay 5a from here on out. I hope they're wrong and you do move down and we are in the same district with SV. That would be a great game every year and one heck of a tune up for the playoffs. No doubt the winner would be the district champ and the other would be the runner up! Don't worry, if Hill does leave SV will be allright! SV now has tradition and that means that every little boy will want to put that Blue helmet on when he is in HS and hear the crowd screaming when he makes a play! SV is hear to stay! I wish we would go small 5a bracket this year and we could play another classic against SV. The only way this will happen this year is if Southwest makes the playoffs, and that will be tough for them to beat us, SM and Seguin. I don't understand how we can have 1600 students and go big 5a! I know they only realign every two years but my gosh, it's not that hard to look at average daily attendance and set the brackets. So, more likely than not, the Buffs will meet the Rockets in the first round again. Go SV, run the district this year! And for Gods sake, put the trophy in the case!!!!

[Reaganrattler07]

Isn't SV just barely above the 2000 mark?

[Slim-Rob]

Yeah, I got to give it to Zippy, he's policing his own and has kept a cool head throughout this...and most of all, he's pretty realistic.

Zippy does tell it like it is. He is #1 on my respect list.

[Reaganrattler07]

Zippy does tell it like it is. He is #1 on my respect list.

I second that. Possibly one of the most respectable on this forum.

[COOTABANG]

most respectable on the forum is who?

zippy?
lonny?
widewide?
texas headliner?
someone else? name em

[svrangerfan]

You Smithson Valley fans talk like you have six state championships. Beat Judson and win six state titles then run your mouth. Til then stop trying to convince everyone that you are the top program in the country. Oh and for sv ranger: Records in state title games Smithson Valley 0-3
Judson 6-3
TALK IS CHEAP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


6-3?? or is it 5-4 counting the loss to the Carter Cowboy criminal team of 1988? You lost on the field.

[Slim-Rob]

6-3?? or is it 5-4 counting the loss to the Carter Cowboy criminal team of 1988? You lost on the field.

THAT IS STILL BETTER THAN 0-3. YOU LOSE THIS BATTLE NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.

Carter didn't follow the rules, so they don't get the title. Judson followed the rules, so they get the title, its THAT SIMPLE.

Let me word it for you better.

State Titles:
Judson-6
SV- 0

[zippy]

Thank you very much. Same to you. If you keep a realistic frame of mind about things it just works out that way. Cant wait until week 5. Going to be a fun time.


Zippy does tell it like it is. He is #1 on my respect list.

[zippy]

:) Come on you guys. Your on my list as well Red, even if you are a Reagan Fan. Not that you have a choice in the matter being a student and all. I hope all teams do good in the SA area so I am cool with it.


I second that. Possibly one of the most respectable on this forum.

[zippy]

I agree with you on the Carter issue. No matter if the game was 70-0, if you cheat you lose. SV however should start getting some titles. It takes time, and they cant get any closer than they did last year without winning one. And I must say, so far they have a much better team than last year so it is going to be interesting to see what they do with it.


THAT IS STILL BETTER THAN 0-3. YOU LOSE THIS BATTLE NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.

Carter didn't follow the rules, so they don't get the title. Judson followed the rules, so they get the title, its THAT SIMPLE.

Let me word it for you better.

State Titles:
Judson-6
SV- 0

[Rerun]

Why do we even have this argument?

One team is D1, the other is D2.

One team has a dynasty that is known all throughout Texas and the other has no rings, yet.

One team will be in 5A for years to come, the other won't be in 5A much longer.

One team is the team that all others say they want to play but in all honesty wish they didn't have to, the other is a tough week on the schedule but is beatable regardless of the situation.

Why are we even talking about Judson or SV against each other when the only thing they have in common is that they are both in the same UIL district?

[Mad Hatter]

Why do we even have this argument?

One team is D1, the other is D2.

One team has a dynasty that is known all throughout Texas and the other has no rings, yet.

One team will be in 5A for years to come, the other won't be in 5A much longer.

One team is the team that all others say they want to play but in all honesty wish they didn't have to, the other is a tough week on the schedule but is beatable regardless of the situation.

Why are we even talking about Judson or SV against each other when the only thing they have in common is that they are both in the same UIL district?

i got an idea how about judson and sv fans stop fighting, unite and hope or respected team kick off in the rest of texas's ***...i say we bring two titles back to SA this year. :)

maybe we could combine skools can you imagine the athletic program then :)

[zippy]

district championship is on the line. How may schools right now would be blown away to just win that? A lot. However if you dont mind, I would like to see what you mean by some of your comments. Yes one is D1 and one will be D2-still same district. Means something to each school, maybe not everyone else.

"One team has a dynasty that is known all throughout Texas and the other has no rings, yet."

I agree, but SV is catching peoples eye. Or at least the eyes that know the potential they have, but yes no rings yet.

"One team will be in 5A for years to come, the other won't be in 5A much longer."

Are you talking about Judson breaking up and dropping in classification?


"One team is the team that all others say they want to play but in all honesty wish they didn't have to, the other is a tough week on the schedule but is beatable regardless of the situation."

I wish I know which one you were talking about here. Honestly I dont know. No matter which people say they want to play, nobody really wants to play either one of them unless as a building tool maybe. Yes both are tough weeks on anyones schedule, and both are beatable regardless of the situation. They both lost last year. Both team no matter who they are playing can beat just about anyone in the state right now. Please let me know which was which in this statment, im interested. SV is 62-10 (.8611) over the past 4 years, SLC is 66-11 (.8571) Since 95 SV has a record of 110-25 and Judson has a record of 105-23. They are very even teams, that are in the same district, that are both in the top 10 this year, and they are a new rival. I think that might be why it is so interesting





Why do we even have this argument?

One team is D1, the other is D2.

One team has a dynasty that is known all throughout Texas and the other has no rings, yet.

One team will be in 5A for years to come, the other won't be in 5A much longer.

One team is the team that all others say they want to play but in all honesty wish they didn't have to, the other is a tough week on the schedule but is beatable regardless of the situation.

Why are we even talking about Judson or SV against each other when the only thing they have in common is that they are both in the same UIL district?

[Mad Hatter]

district championship is on the line. How may schools right now would be blown away to just win that? A lot. However if you dont mind, I would like to see what you mean by some of your comments. Yes one is D1 and one will be D2-still same district. Means something to each school, maybe not everyone else.

"One team has a dynasty that is known all throughout Texas and the other has no rings, yet."

I agree, but SV is catching peoples eye. Or at least the eyes that know the potential they have, but yes no rings yet.

"One team will be in 5A for years to come, the other won't be in 5A much longer."

Are you talking about Judson breaking up and dropping in classification?


"One team is the team that all others say they want to play but in all honesty wish they didn't have to, the other is a tough week on the schedule but is beatable regardless of the situation."

I wish I know which one you were talking about here. Honestly I dont know. No matter which people say they want to play, nobody really wants to play either one of them unless as a building tool maybe. Yes both are tough weeks on anyones schedule, and both are beatable regardless of the situation. They both lost last year. Both team no matter who they are playing can beat just about anyone in the state right now. Please let me know which was which in this statment, im interested. SV is 62-10 (.8611) over the past 4 years, SLC is 66-11 (.8571) Since 95 SV has a record of 110-25 and Judson has a record of 105-23. They are very even teams, that are in the same district, that are both in the top 10 this year, and they are a new rival. I think that might be why it is so interesting

how is Sv and Judson a rivalry yet...on the forums they are but weve only played eachother once...Judson Rivals are Roosevelt And Madison ... rivals in the making are Sv and Clemens.

I say this only becasue we have played roosevelt and madison for like 10 years...Its almost always worth a playoff spot.

[zippy]

I think a rival starts when you have a good team with another good team in the same district. And its hard to have a rival with a team you dont play often (Clemens) SV has been playing Roosevelt for a long time too, and that has been a coaching rivalry more than Judson vs roosevelt. Larry Hill against his brother Glenn Hill.


how is Sv and Judson a rivalry yet...on the forums they are but weve only played eachother once...Judson Rivals are Roosevelt And Madison ... rivals in the making are Sv and Clemens.

I say this only becasue we have played roosevelt and madison for like 10 years...Its almost always worth a playoff spot.

[Rerun]

"One team will be in 5A for years to come, the other won't be in 5A much longer."
I am talking about SV. SV will make a drop to 4A when the new high school in CISD opens. That has already been proven by statistics. Now, for how long they stay back in 4A remains to be seen.


I wish I know which one you were talking about here. Honestly I dont know. No matter which people say they want to play, nobody really wants to play either one of them unless as a building tool maybe. Yes both are tough weeks on anyones schedule, and both are beatable regardless of the situation. They both lost last year. Both team no matter who they are playing can beat just about anyone in the state right now. Please let me know which was which in this statment, im interested. SV is 62-10 (.8611) over the past 4 years, SLC is 66-11 (.8571) Since 95 SV has a record of 110-25 and Judson has a record of 105-23. They are very even teams, that are in the same district, that are both in the top 10 this year, and they are a new rival. I think that might be why it is so interesting

I am talking about SV.

No team WANTS to play Judson. No team willingly says to themselves, "Hey, I hope we get to play Judson. It should be fun."

On the same hand, no team really says, "Well, let's go play SV or Clemens or O'Connor." Because they are all very respectable programs, but, without the hardware and rings, they are mortals. They are teams that CAN be beaten and those are proven facts.

There are sometimes no one in the area can touch Judson. Some years, it just doesn't happen.

[lonny23]

I am talking about SV. SV will make a drop to 4A when the new high school in CISD opens. That has already been proven by statistics. Now, for how long they stay back in 4A remains to be seen.



I am talking about SV.

No team WANTS to play Judson. No team willingly says to themselves, "Hey, I hope we get to play Judson. It should be fun."

On the same hand, no team really says, "Well, let's go play SV or Clemens or O'Connor." Because they are all very respectable programs, but, without the hardware and rings, they are mortals. They are teams that CAN be beaten and those are proven facts.

There are sometimes no one in the area can touch Judson. Some years, it just doesn't happen.
SV really needs to beat Judson this year because the last 10 years will be wiped away if they don't win. Smithson Valley was 4A for 7 of the previous 10 years and in Judson's district for only 1. SV has a great record, but they're going to be clearly the #2 team in town if Judson gets them again. The stigma will be that they made their record because they didn't have Judson in their way in the playoffs and regular season.

[svrangerfan]

Judson is alot like the Dallas Cowboys or Notre Dame. You either love 'em or hate 'em. That will happen when any 1 school has had as much success as they have had. Every school in their district would consider Judson their arch rival because they do win. Churchill would take a 1-9 if the one was over Judson. Unfortunately the Chargers have taken a few of those without beating Judson so its a rivalry you don't hear much about and Judson may have taken for granted. Glad to see Churchill making somewhat of a comeback with their program.

[Rerun]

SV really needs to beat Judson this year because the last 10 years will be wiped away if they don't win. Smithson Valley was 4A for 7 of the previous 10 years and in Judson's district for only 1. SV has a great record, but they're going to be clearly the #2 team in town if Judson gets them again. The stigma will be that they made their record because they didn't have Judson in their way in the playoffs and regular season.

I think #3 right now.

I think the boys in Schertz are better than Smithson Valley.

Time will tell.

Great Luck to ALL the teams this week.

[dragonsdaddy]

texas headliner- pot-stirrer of the year. maybe of all time.

[Rerun]

Not stirring the pot. I am just giving my opinion.

I find the SV talk about being better than Judson outlandish.

SV, Clemens, O'Connor - All great programs without a ring.

Judson - One of the most storied programs in history with plenty of rings.

No contest, Judson is the better team right now.

[dragonsdaddy]

they are definitely the better program historically, and that will continue to be true regardless of the outcome of the upcoming game. but i'd say that this year's rating is far from established, despite your saying it is so. the good news is that we won't have much room for doubt in a month or so.

[Rerun]

The rating is established though. A team in #1 until beaten.

The only teams that can beat Judson in the area are perhaps SV and Clemens(who they will likely play in Round #1)

I am not a fan of the Judson program therefore I am not defending my team.

I am simply stating what everyone already knows.

SV is not the best team in the area right now and their rankings reflect that.

[zippy]

Thats fine. You basis that Judson is better than SV is the fact that Judson beat them last year. Its all good. SV did make it to the state game last year and was very close to beating SLC. I bet teams would want to play them. Lets just let the teams decide which is better. If SV beats Judson this year where will you stand on this? How many state games have Clemens, or O'Connor been too? SV has been there and lost one in the last few ticks, and the other was in OT. Right now Judon is the better team, but both are new teams this year, and I really would like to know what you will say if, if SV beats Judson.



Not stirring the pot. I am just giving my opinion.

I find the SV talk about being better than Judson outlandish.

SV, Clemens, O'Connor - All great programs without a ring.

Judson - One of the most storied programs in history with plenty of rings.

No contest, Judson is the better team right now.

[implacable44]

I will say - dang judson played like crap. or i might say - dang that SV team is pretty good - sucks that they keyed our cars or I would actually respect them. WHo knows - I will have to see the game and take it from there. I just dont think that it will actually happen.

[zippy]

Which ranking? This site has them at # 3 in the state. Judson at #9. I have also seen ranking of the district and they have SV over Judson. Rankings are using this teams info to figure this out. We will not know, and rankings prove nothing. I am done with this until week 5, good luck to both teams. More important stuff to look at here.


The rating is established though. A team in #1 until beaten.

The only teams that can beat Judson in the area are perhaps SV and Clemens(who they will likely play in Round #1)

I am not a fan of the Judson program therefore I am not defending my team.

I am simply stating what everyone already knows.

SV is not the best team in the area right now and their rankings reflect that.

[zippy]

Where did you get this info from? According to the staff at SV they are staying in 5A. Statistics are just like rankings. Neither prove anything. I have not heard one thing around the school about dropping down. Please let me know where you got that from.


[QUOTE=Texas Headliner]I am talking about SV. SV will make a drop to 4A when the new high school in CISD opens. That has already been proven by statistics. Now, for how long they stay back in 4A remains to be seen.



I am talking about SV.

[SLCDad]

Why do we even have this argument?

One team is D1, the other is D2.

One team has a dynasty that is known all throughout Texas and the other has no rings, yet.

One team will be in 5A for years to come, the other won't be in 5A much longer.

One team is the team that all others say they want to play but in all honesty wish they didn't have to, the other is a tough week on the schedule but is beatable regardless of the situation.

Why are we even talking about Judson or SV against each other when the only thing they have in common is that they are both in the same UIL district?

Perhaps they are talking about it because SV may be the better team this year. We'll see.

[SLCDad]

Not stirring the pot. I am just giving my opinion.

I find the SV talk about being better than Judson outlandish.

SV, Clemens, O'Connor - All great programs without a ring.

Judson - One of the most storied programs in history with plenty of rings.

No contest, Judson is the better team right now.
Scratching my head . . . .what does all this have to do with how good the team is now? Most poll voters have voted SV above Judson this year.

[lonny23]

Scratching my head . . . .what does all this have to do with how good the team is now? Most poll voters have voted SV above Judson this year.
This discussion is multi-faceted and hinges on all the smack SV talks. A lot of their fans make it sound like they're superior to Judson and they say it about last year, too. They try to act like they've been the best team in town for like 10 years and it's just not true. I countered that another Judson win this year will completely wipe out any thoughts of saying SV is the best in the state, much less SA. Personally, I think the current rankings on this site aren't accurate. SV is close to the top, but Judson is much closer than #9.

[implacable44]

perhaps coppell is the better team -- we will see.

[SLCDad]

This discussion is multi-faceted and hinges on all the smack SV talks. A lot of their fans make it sound like they're superior to Judson and they say it about last year, too. They try to act like they've been the best team in town for like 10 years and it's just not true. I countered that another Judson win this year will completely wipe out any thoughts of saying SV is the best in the state, much less SA. Personally, I think the current rankings on this site aren't accurate. SV is close to the top, but Judson is much closer than #9.
I agree regarding the SV fans smack talk. They were dominated in 2002 and probably played over their heads in the 2004 final. As for 2005 we'll know in a few weeks how good they actually are.

[JC73]

Two fans on this board are talking smack. No more than any other teams fans. Again, THEY don't represent ALL fans. Does Judson fans feel threatened or something?

[zippy]

Something is going on. I only know of a couple of idiots that are making attacks on people, but other than that, show me some facts not polls. I dont know who is better between the two teams, cause they dont play until week 5. Based on what I have heard, and seen, I think SV will beat Judson this year.


Two fans on this board are talking smack. No more than any other teams fans. Again, THEY don't represent ALL fans. Does Judson fans feel threatened or something?

[Slim-Rob]

Two fans on this board are talking smack. No more than any other teams fans. Again, THEY don't represent ALL fans. Does Judson fans feel threatened or something?

Not threatened, just tired of hearing how everybody is better than Judson. I have no problem with people that say they think they are better, but the people I am tired of are the people using made up facts, people not using any facts, and people using the wrong facts. There are no stats or facts out there that PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt that SV is better than Judson. They may be better this year, but we will have to wait until Week 5 at Judson Stadium to find out.

SV has great fans, they are very real and respectful, there are just some people out there that always think they are the better team, and those people will ALWAYS find excuses as to why they lost. There are some fans on this site like that, but its all good because I understand where they are coming from, its just annoying.

[clemensbuff]

Thats fine. You basis that Judson is better than SV is the fact that Judson beat them last year. Its all good. SV did make it to the state game last year and was very close to beating SLC. I bet teams would want to play them. Lets just let the teams decide which is better. If SV beats Judson this year where will you stand on this? How many state games have Clemens, or O'Connor been too? SV has been there and lost one in the last few ticks, and the other was in OT. Right now Judon is the better team, but both are new teams this year, and I really would like to know what you will say if, if SV beats Judson.

Hey Zippy, I respect SV and the fact that they have played three times for a state title. But, check your record against Clemens and you'll find one total victory! 1998 at the Alamo Dome in the playoffs! It was a great game and if we wouldn't have had seven bone head starters that missed a walk-thru practice at the Dome the day before and sat the bench the first half and 5 turnovers (three that were unforced stupid fumbles) that lone win wouldn't have been! Clemens had a little over twice as much offense and dominated that contest. No excuses, SV won and deserved to that day but don't down play Clemens because we haven't played in the title game. And on O'Conner, they are still a very new HS and are headed in the right direction.

[zippy]

SV has played Clemens since then as well. Not downplaying them at all. Just some people act like SV has not done anything in 5A, and I think they have done very well. Clemens does very good too, and will get to state many times in the future.


Hey Zippy, I respect SV and the fact that they have played three times for a state title. But, check your record against Clemens and you'll find one total victory! 1998 at the Alamo Dome in the playoffs! It was a great game and if we wouldn't have had seven bone head starters that missed a walk-thru practice at the Dome the day before and sat the bench the first half and 5 turnovers (three that were unforced stupid fumbles) that lone win wouldn't have been! Clemens had a little over twice as much offense and dominated that contest. No excuses, SV won and deserved to that day but don't down play Clemens because we haven't played in the title game. And on O'Conner, they are still a very new HS and are headed in the right direction.

[clemensbuff]

SV has played Clemens since then as well. Not downplaying them at all. Just some people act like SV has not done anything in 5A, and I think they have done very well. Clemens does very good too, and will get to state many times in the future.

Your right! We played you in 1999 at North Side Stadium and it was a great game - 28-21 Clemens and two years ago in the second round in div 2 5a, another great game - Clemens 13-10. SV has done plenty in both 4a and 5a the last few years and they will do more in the years to come. Last years title game was a prime example of SV football (NOT THE LAST SECOND LOSS). SV played a simply great SLC team and came unbelievably close to one heck of an upset. SV was dominated statisticly speaking but was neck and neck with them the entire game because of the coaching and the plain and simple fact that they play with as much or more heart as any team anywhere!

[zippy]

Yea, Clemens knocked a very good SV team out of the playoffs that year. It was the 2003 season I think. That was a very good game.


Your right! We played you in 1999 at North Side Stadium and it was a great game - 28-21 Clemens and two years ago in the second round in div 2 5a, another great game - Clemens 13-10. SV has done plenty in both 4a and 5a the last few years and they will do more in the years to come. Last years title game was a prime example of SV football (NOT THE LAST SECOND LOSS). SV played a simply great SLC team and came unbelievably close to one heck of an upset. SV was dominated statisticly speaking but was neck and neck with them the entire game because of the coaching and the plain and simple fact that they play with as much or more heart as any team anywhere!

[DiamondJ2]

If SV remains 5A and New Braunfels makes it to 5A (if they don't fiddle with the ADA), then there is a possibility that NB will replace Judson & Wagner & Judson will move to 25 5A with San Marcos headed back to Austin. This is just one possible scenario out of a dozen.

[Mad Hatter]

i see judson and New Braunsfels and Seguin in one dist.

[clemensbuff]

If SV remains 5A and New Braunfels makes it to 5A (if they don't fiddle with the ADA), then there is a possibility that NB will replace Judson & Wagner & Judson will move to 25 5A with San Marcos headed back to Austin. This is just one possible scenario out of a dozen.

What do you mean "fiddle with the ADA"? NB has done that really well since the early 80's! You think that will stop now for some reason? LOL How can any HS only be within a couple of kids of moving up every year of re-alignment? It doesn't matter that much, does it? Clemens has beaten them, excuse me, whipped them the last four times we met (first two games in 98 & 99 we were 4a and they were 5a, second two games they were 5a and we were 5a)! They won't even schedule us anymore. Heck, even Seguin beat them last year for the first time in 24 years. NB is struggling now!

[jrp83]

I have a feeling that if the NEISD builds another high school or two in the next few years, 26-5A would be made up totally of teams from that school district. I see Judson, Wagner, Smithson Valley, Clemens, New Braunfels, Seguin, and San Marcos being in the same district. This is all contingent on all schools involved staying 5A.

[Mad Hatter]

What do you mean "fiddle with the ADA"? NB has done that really well since the early 80's! You think that will stop now for some reason? LOL How can any HS only be within a couple of kids of moving up every year of re-alignment? It doesn't matter that much, does it? Clemens has beaten them, excuse me, whipped them the last four times we met (first two games in 98 & 99 we were 4a and they were 5a, second two games they were 5a and we were 5a)! They won't even schedule us anymore. Heck, even Seguin beat them last year for the first time in 24 years. NB is struggling now!

seguin almost/should have beat you last year as well i was at the game...so i wouldnt use them as a measuring stick.

[clemensbuff]

seguin almost/should have beat you last year as well i was at the game...so i wouldnt use them as a measuring stick.

Your are correct! But they didn't beat us and that was the biggest game that town has seen in 20 years! We had to go into a pretty hyped up town and play a really fired up Seguin team that had a good defense. I would have taken a 1 point win in that situation anytime. Look at what the Rockets did to us in the first round last year (total domination). We had an off year last year and were not near as good a team as the year before or this year.

[svrangerfan]

Wagner is going to be a 5A school right off the bat?? What will that do to Judsons enrollment?? And Winning tradition??

Some Judson haters suggested the JISD would build another high school and send the girls to the new high school. Southlake Carroll is doing everything it can to keep Southlake a 1 school town. Carroll is now a Senior high school so only 11 and 12th graders are there. Plano practically invented this. Dodge has said he will leave if they build another school there.

Finally I don't know if SV will beat Judson or not. If they don't I won't make excuses. The Judson game will be a good way to see how good we really are and I hope both teams are completely healthy going into the game. Playing Laredo Nixon or RR Westwood just doesn't tell you much. The Judson game is not going to make or break our season. I would trade a loss in week 5 for another shot at SLC any day.

[clemensbuff]

I have a feeling that if the NEISD builds another high school or two in the next few years, 26-5A would be made up totally of teams from that school district. I see Judson, Wagner, Smithson Valley, Clemens, New Braunfels, Seguin, and San Marcos being in the same district. This is all contingent on all schools involved staying 5A.

I think you're pretty close Judson Rocket Pride. Did I get your abreviation correct? Clemens won't be there, not for at least four years and probably never again. With Steele open now, and Clemens only having 1600 we are a long way from being 5a again. Steele will probably be expanded to be 5a before Clemens will go back to 5a. But, I sure hope that Clemens and Judson will schedule every year for a non-district contest. It would be a great game every year I think and would be great for the neighboring communities.

[Mad Hatter]

I think you're pretty close Judson Rocket Pride. Did I get your abreviation correct? Clemens won't be there, not for at least four years and probably never again. With Steele open now, and Clemens only having 1600 we are a long way from being 5a again. Steele will probably be expanded to be 5a before Clemens will go back to 5a. But, I sure hope that Clemens and Judson will schedule every year for a non-district contest. It would be a great game every year I think and would be great for the neighboring communities.

doubt it...

[clemensbuff]

Wagner is going to be a 5A school right off the bat?? What will that do to Judsons enrollment?? And Winning tradition??

Some Judson haters suggested the JISD would build another high school and send the girls to the new high school. Southlake Carroll is doing everything it can to keep Southlake a 1 school town. Carroll is now a Senior high school so only 11 and 12th graders are there. Plano practically invented this. Dodge has said he will leave if they build another school there.

Finally I don't know if SV will beat Judson or not. If they don't I won't make excuses. The Judson game will be a good way to see how good we really are and I hope both teams are completely healthy going into the game. Playing Laredo Nixon or RR Westwood just doesn't tell you much. The Judson game is not going to make or break our season. I would trade a loss in week 5 for another shot at SLC any day.

I have a close friend that coaches in the Judson system (at one of the middle schools). He told me straght up that Wagner will have a very heavy impact on Judson. How could it not when you will lose 1/2 of your athletes to chose from right off the bat! I still think Judson will remain a very good program but when a starter goes out, that second team replacement is not going to be the same level of athlete as before. It will definately put Judson on a more level playing field with the rest of the area teams. Remember, there climb to greatness (and I mean GREATNESS) started in the early 80s when they simply exploded in attendance levels.

[clemensbuff]

doubt it...

Doubt what, that it would be a great game?

[zippy]

I think we are going to be able to tell what kind of team SV will have this Friday night. This is going to be one of the best teams SV will face this season, and it will be a very good game to see how SV handles a good team. If they do however lose, and then if Judson beats them, its not the end of the season for them. They can still go to state and win that. One thing that SV does every season is get better and better each game. They tend to be a much different team during the playoffs than the pre-season. If they can go into Pflugerville and get a win, I say they have a very good year, if not, they can still make adjustments and have a very deep run into the playoffs.


Wagner is going to be a 5A school right off the bat?? What will that do to Judsons enrollment?? And Winning tradition??

Some Judson haters suggested the JISD would build another high school and send the girls to the new high school. Southlake Carroll is doing everything it can to keep Southlake a 1 school town. Carroll is now a Senior high school so only 11 and 12th graders are there. Plano practically invented this. Dodge has said he will leave if they build another school there.

Finally I don't know if SV will beat Judson or not. If they don't I won't make excuses. The Judson game will be a good way to see how good we really are and I hope both teams are completely healthy going into the game. Playing Laredo Nixon or RR Westwood just doesn't tell you much. The Judson game is not going to make or break our season. I would trade a loss in week 5 for another shot at SLC any day.

[LeanderLions3033]

Hey lets get back to the original topic. I hope Battlin' what ever his name is just deleted himself from this message board :D . I don't see his comment going to well with just abot anybody on this board .

[jrp83]

I didn't realize that Clemens' enrollment was that low. I knew that Steele would lower it, but that's news to me. Clemens should wreak havoc on 4A. I know they will lose some athletes to Steele, but just like Judson with Wagner, should remain a playoff caliber team.

[clemensbuff]

Hey lets get back to the original topic. I hope Battlin' what ever his name is just deleted himself from this message board :D . I don't see his comment going to well with just abot anybody on this board .

Battlin' was and is a JACK---, hope he stays gone! Are you the message board police or something? I thought we could discuss whatever we wanted here within reason?

[clemensbuff]

I didn't realize that Clemens' enrollment was that low. I knew that Steele would lower it, but that's news to me. Clemens should wreak havoc on 4A. I know they will lose some athletes to Steele, but just like Judson with Wagner, should remain a playoff caliber team.

Clemens-1600, Steele-800. I don't know about wreaking havoc though on 4a. The year we moved up to 5a and the next year (2000, 2001) were way weaker than the two previous years in 4a and we didn't win it then. I'm telling everybody flat out that the best 4a teams in the state can hang with the best 5a teams! At least as long as their starter stay healthy of course. If the smaller schools have to go to the backups for whatever reason, that is where you will see the difference (not as many athletes = not as much depth.

[zippy]

One reason SV is always dominated in the stat section is because of the type of game SV plays. They do not always have the best defense (well rounded) so people will get yards on them if they can both run and pass the ball. The reason you dont see SV with 500 yards of offense is because they win their games by long short yard drives. They eat up the clock to keep teams like SLC and Clemens off the field. If you watch a SV game, notice that they rarely throw the ball down the field for the big play. They use smart, planned attacks and just eat away at the clock and get the defense wore out, then they go for the home run. Then you have to consider the special teams and the way the defense is tought to play. A lot of times SV will score on blocked punts, stripped balls, and interceptions. They might score 35 points but only have 250 yards or so. While the other teams scores 28 points but has 500 yards, but end up having punts blocked, passes picked off in the red zone, stripped balls in the red zone, etc. I am not saying that SV has a bad defense so dont jump in a yell at me about this. They shut many teams out and dominated them, however when they play teams with really good offensive skills, they have always had weak spots. (Wilkerson) (SLC) (Fox) These types of teams/players are just good, and you cant do much about it. It might look like SV just gets lucky and beats some teams, or should not have got close to beating some teams, when you look at stats, but you have got to break down why it turns out this way.



Your right! We played you in 1999 at North Side Stadium and it was a great game - 28-21 Clemens and two years ago in the second round in div 2 5a, another great game - Clemens 13-10. SV has done plenty in both 4a and 5a the last few years and they will do more in the years to come. Last years title game was a prime example of SV football (NOT THE LAST SECOND LOSS). SV played a simply great SLC team and came unbelievably close to one heck of an upset. SV was dominated statisticly speaking but was neck and neck with them the entire game because of the coaching and the plain and simple fact that they play with as much or more heart as any team anywhere!

[LeanderLions3033]

the whole laughing face was put there because i was joking. If we wanted to get back to the original topic we should talk about keeping Perez in our prayers. I'm no police, far from it actually. I wish i could be to keep certain idiots off this board ;) , but i dont have that privledge.

[clemensbuff]

One reason SV is always dominated in the stat section is because of the type of game SV plays. They do not always have the best defense (well rounded) so people will get yards on them if they can both run and pass the ball. The reason you dont see SV with 500 yards of offense is because they win their games by long short yard drives. They eat up the clock to keep teams like SLC and Clemens off the field. If you watch a SV game, notice that they rarely throw the ball down the field for the big play. They use smart, planned attacks and just eat away at the clock and get the defense wore out, then they go for the home run. Then you have to consider the special teams and the way the defense is tought to play. A lot of times SV will score on blocked punts, stripped balls, and interceptions. They might score 35 points but only have 250 yards or so. While the other teams scores 28 points but has 500 yards, but end up having punts blocked, passes picked off in the red zone, stripped balls in the red zone, etc. I am not saying that SV has a bad defense so dont jump in a yell at me about this. They shut many teams out and dominated them, however when they play teams with really good offensive skills, they have always had weak spots. (Wilkerson) (SLC) (Fox) These types of teams/players are just good, and you cant do much about it. It might look like SV just gets lucky and beats some teams, or should not have got close to beating some teams, when you look at stats, but you have got to break down why it turns out this way.

I agree with you 100%. SV does not get lucky and what you have described above is flat out good coaching. In the 2003 playoff game in the Alamo Dome this was proof! SV gave up a lot of yards between the goal lines to us but played tough defense when it counted. The weak spots you mentioned don't show because of the great TEAM defense that SV plays! They get off blocks, off the ground, and get to the ball!!!! The first tackler might not bring down that back, but the next 5 will.

[clemensbuff]

the whole laughing face was put there because i was joking. If we wanted to get back to the original topic we should talk about keeping Perez in our prayers. I'm no police, far from it actually. I wish i could be to keep certain idiots off this board ;) , but i dont have that privledge.

AGREED! Hopefully with all the people he made mad, we won't have to hear from him again or maybe he'll take a long look in the mirror and make a sincere change in the way he thinks.

[zippy]

That is right, its nice that someone agrees with that. Most people do not agree that SV does not have a "great" defense. They destroy RB's and QB's because there are like 9 of them on every tackle, but there have been weak spots in the secondary in the past. They defense is ranked very high this year, and seem to look fairly good, so maybe they will get it going again. And yes it is good coaching, thats what I like about Hill, he can always find ways to beat teams, no matter what is handed to him via talent. Sometimes, like with Clemens in 2003, there is very little any team can do to stop them. I remember before that game, the coaches kept reminding them that at ANY time Clemens can score with ease. One missed tackle and it would be a TD. SV did a great job in keeping them from going too crazy. Same thing with SLC. They offset these things with good coaching, keeping them off the field as much as possible. In all the years of watching Hill, there is only one time I think he made a mistake, and that was the last drive against SLC last year. He wanted the win, and started going to the air, when I think they could have just drove down, ran the clock down, and maybe scored and got the win. However, he wanted to win so bad that he might have got impatient toward the end. He could have taken that game into overtime for sure. It was his team, and his calls and I respect it however. He took a chance of winning instead of going into OT, and that takes guts.


I agree with you 100%. SV does not get lucky and what you have described above is flat out good coaching. In the 2003 playoff game in the Alamo Dome this was proof! SV gave up a lot of yards between the goal lines to us but played tough defense when it counted. The weak spots you mentioned don't show because of the great TEAM defense that SV plays! They get off blocks, off the ground, and get to the ball!!!! The first tackler might not bring down that back, but the next 5 will.

[clemensbuff]

That is right, its nice that someone agrees with that. Most people do not agree that SV does not have a "great" defense. They destroy RB's and QB's because there are like 9 of them on every tackle, but there have been weak spots in the secondary in the past. They defense is ranked very high this year, and seem to look fairly good, so maybe they will get it going again. And yes it is good coaching, thats what I like about Hill, he can always find ways to beat teams, no matter what is handed to him via talent. Sometimes, like with Clemens in 2003, there is very little any team can do to stop them. I remember before that game, the coaches kept reminding them that at ANY time Clemens can score with ease. One missed tackle and it would be a TD. SV did a great job in keeping them from going too crazy. Same thing with SLC. They offset these things with good coaching, keeping them off the field as much as possible. In all the years of watching Hill, there is only one time I think he made a mistake, and that was the last drive against SLC last year. He wanted the win, and started going to the air, when I think they could have just drove down, ran the clock down, and maybe scored and got the win. However, he wanted to win so bad that he might have got impatient toward the end. He could have taken that game into overtime for sure. It was his team, and his calls and I respect it however. He took a chance of winning instead of going into OT, and that takes guts.

I respect the fact that he was going for the win in the biggest game possible on this level. If we had done the same thing against a great Katy team in 2003 at the end of the first half when we still had the lead instead of trying to kick a 17 1/2 yard field goal (which was shanked) the score at half could have been 20-7 and the momentum would have stayed firmly on our side of the field. Coming back onto the field after Katy called a timeout and trying the field goal with 7 seconds left in the half on 3rd down made no sense at all. Especially when you have a very athletic QB who was a senior and third year starter! Bootleg pass to the right and give the QB a chance to walk into the zone or fire the ball into the 10th row if the receivers are not wide open or he can't walk in!!!! Could have been the difference in playing for the title. Go for the throat when the opportunity is there, just like coach Hill does!!!!

[zippy]

Yea, it has got to be a stressful situation, however Hill plays it safe most of the time. It was really odd to see him call those plays. He even said after the game that it might have been a mistake, but of course there is nothing he could do. I respect it, it was just not normal. They missed a 17 1/2er, that has got to suck man. At least miss a 50 yard try, not an extra point!


I respect the fact that he was going for the win in the biggest game possible on this level. If we had done the same thing against a great Katy team in 2003 at the end of the first half when we still had the lead instead of trying to kick a 17 1/2 yard field goal (which was shanked) the score at half could have been 20-7 and the momentum would have stayed firmly on our side of the field. Coming back onto the field after Katy called a timeout and trying the field goal with 7 seconds left in the half on 3rd down made no sense at all. Especially when you have a very athletic QB who was a senior and third year starter! Bootleg pass to the right and give the QB a chance to walk into the zone or fire the ball into the 10th row if the receivers are not wide open or he can't walk in!!!! Could have been the difference in playing for the title. Go for the throat when the opportunity is there, just like coach Hill does!!!!

[svrangerfan]

Exactly right zippy, SV does all the "little things" well and can beat a more talented team. Like they did in 02 against Katy and several others. If you make a mistake against you will generally pay for it.